The Mariners announced Friday that they’ve traded reliever Alex Colome to the White Sox in exchange for catcher Omar Narvaez.
Colome, 29, is arbitration-eligible and projected by MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz to earn $7.3MM in his second trip through the process. He’s controlled through the 2020 season and will give the ChiSox a high-caliber option at the back of the bullpen. The right-hander spent two and a half seasons as the Rays’ primary closer before being flipped to Seattle alongside Denard Span this past summer in a trade for minor leaguers Andrew Moore and Tommy Romero.
Rising through the minor leagues as a starter, Colome was considered one of the Rays’ top pitching prospect. However, he quickly found his footing as a reliever in the Majors, and the organization never really looked back. From 2016-18, Colome has pitched to a pristine 2.78 ERA with with 9.5 K/9, 2.8 BB/9, 0.8 HR/9 and a 47 percent ground-ball rate. Along the way, he’s racked up 96 saves and been named to the American League All-Star team on one occasion. He can either close games or function as a high-end setup man for the Sox for the next two seasons.
While there’s been plenty of talk about a shift in direction for the White Sox, the acquisition of Colome is perhaps the first earnest win-now move that has come as the Chicago rebuild reportedly begins to wind down. The Sox did add veteran catcher Welington Castillo on a two-year contract last offseason, another move that could be viewed through a win-now lens, but they only invested money ($15.5MM) to bring Castillo to Chicago’s South Side. By trading Narvaez, the Sox are flipping another four years of control in exchange for two seasons of control of Colome. It stands to reason that other moves that place an emphasis on winning in 2019 and 2020 will follow as the winter progresses.
Narvaez, 27 in February, enjoyed a breakout season at the plate in 2018 and will give Seattle a cost-effective replacement for Mike Zunino, who was traded to the Rays earlier this month as part of what has become an aggressive restructuring of the Mariners’ roster.
In many ways, Narvaez is the polar inverse of Zunino. While the latter is known an exceptionally powerful backstop with noted OBP deficiencies but strong defensive skills, the former is an on-base machine with limited power and more questionable defensive abilities. A career .274/.366/.379 hitter, Narvaez smacked a career-high nine homers in 2018 and posted an overall line of .275/.366/.429 in 322 plate appearances. It’s not clear if he can sustain that power output, especially moving from Guaranteed Rate Field to the more spacious Safeco Field, but Narvaez has long displayed a keen eye at the dish (career 12.3 percent walk rate) and ridden that skill to strong on-base marks. He’s also struck out at just a 16.9 percent rate in his career — another notable difference from his Seattle predecessor.
Defensively, Narvaez is, at best, a work in progress. He caught 24 percent of would-be base thieves in both 2017 and 2018 but has rated terribly in Baseball Prospectus’ pitch-framing and pitch-blocking metrics. Chicago general manager Rick Hahn recently voiced confidence to The Athletic’s James Fegan that the organization could improve Narvaez’s defense, though that responsibility will now fall on the Mariners.
Narvaez will immediately become the top catching option in Seattle, with David Freitas currently standing out as the lone backup option. The move likely lessens the White Sox’ urgency to add bullpen pieces to an extent, though Hahn & Co. still figure to be involved in that market as it develops. It’ll also be interesting to see whether the Sox make a splash at catcher, where Yasmani Grandal and Wilson Ramos are the top free-agent options, though perhaps the safer bet is that they’ll merely look to add a veteran backup type to pair with Castillo now that Narvaez is no longer in the fold.
This marks the third significant trade of the offseason for Seattle GM Jerry Dipoto, who has moved Zunino to the Rays and James Paxton to the Yankees. Both of those swaps, like today’s Colome deal, have seen Seattle deal players who came with just two remaining seasons of control and a fairly sizable arbitration projection in exchange for MLB-ready help with multiple years of control. Mallex Smith was the key piece in the Zunino trade, while the Paxton swap netted the Mariners top pitching prospect Justus Sheffield.
Of course, the bigger question with Seattle is whether (or when) the Mariners will formally complete the widely reported blockbuster that’d send Robinson Cano and closer Edwin Diaz to the Mets. Unlike the Mariners’ other deals, that franchise-altering trade would be centered more around adding a pair of high-end prospects and shedding a significant portion of Cano’s remaining $120MM — at the expense of one of the game’s best young relievers.
Falsehope
The stove is hot in Seattle
Danny B.
More like depressing.
kpotter21
This offseason is the happiest I’ve been w dipoto. He’s gotten rid of 3 players of 2 years of control n turned it into a possible all star center fielder a potential Ace, a backend starter, a starting catcher… all w 4+years of control.
hoof hearted
key word, “posssible”
who’s the Ace?
years of control dont mean a thing, IF its not at the ML level.
they gotta get there first.
myaccount
Mat, this is probably the worst non-trolling comment on here I’ve ever read.
Sheldon Bowen
Who was the ace before? Paxton who is older and pitched a career high 160 innings? Jerry got the most out of this team and needed to rebuild to get depth. See how the prospects turn out but they will have a lot of money too to go with prospects.
Bocephus
Possible All Star CF…you can’t be serious..more like probable 4th outfielder
hoof hearted
“Non trolling comment”
I’ll take that as a complement.
As I strongly feel with those positions.
And was not ment to be critical at his comments.
YaGottaBelieve
A-men! So hope they can ditch Cano’s contact and ‘interesting’ defense. Liking the haul so far this off-season!
hoof hearted
Honestly, the M’s didn’t have an ace.
YaGottaBelieve
Obviously meant ‘contract’ there!
muskie73
25-year-old Mallex Smith, who comes with four years of team control, ranked 23rd among all outfielders with 3.4 fWAR this year.
User 4245925809
He’s about half of Billy Hamilton who just got DFA’d. Slash and run type with less glove and speed, but still decent amount of both.
Good #4 type, or 2nd division starter for a rebuilding club. Really don’t like way Seattle is going about way they are rebuilding so far and I like the Mariners also.
kpotter21
Have you seen Mallex smiths stats last year?
Doug_Bond
Jack Z left him Jack S to work with… and he worked with it well so far. I doubt ownership will be patient enough to let him handle a total rebuild, but the guy is nothing if not resourcful, and that’s one of the personality traits I look at first and foremost when hiring people. I hope they give him a shot to go all out.
(full disclosure, I’m a die-hard life-long Yankke fan transplant to the Pacific Northwest… and BTW… did you see the new renderings by the Portland Diamond Project of their planned facility for a Portland ballpark!?! They gave me literal chills!!!
si.com/mlb/2018/11/30/portland-ballpark-photos-exp…
kpotter21
And he’s getting us out from Robbie Cano’s contract.
Neil5611
Exactly I’m happy. More to come of course
Senioreditor
Pay potentially 60 million plus absorbing Bruce is NOT getting rid of Cano’s contract.
baseballpun
Well, some of it.
myaccount
When you shed $30M+ it’s a big deal, whether it’s totally out from the contract or not.
YourDaddy
Bruce is a replacement for Cruz. He was hurt playing the field last season. In Seattle, he is the DH and a healthy Bruce is a good hitter. See 2017. Taking him on is a cheap price to pay to get rid of Cano. BTW, no one is saying the Mariners will pay $60 million if they take on Bruce and Swarzak’s contracts.
smkelly1970
assuming the trade goes through, I’d have to assume DiPoto would try and flip Bruce elsewhere for parts.
adshadbolt
Actually multiple reports have come out saying that on top of absorbing Bruce an swarsaks salaries they will send about 50-60 million for cano
muskie73
The money issue is still being sorted out, according to a source who initially reported the $60 million figure:
twitter.com/martinonyc/status/1068532790684196864
YourDaddy
Today alone Heyman has said, and I quote, “the Mariners will pay a reasonable amount of Cano’s salary like $10 million”, and Joel Sherman tweeted that he thinks the Mariners will pay $23 million of Cano’s contract. Of all the talk, those are the two extremes. So somewhere between the two is likely.
You are mistaking the total that the Mariner’s would absorb. The reality is $28 million for Bruce, $8.5 million for Swarzak, and a max of $23 million of Cano’s deal which adds up to a total of roughly $60 million.
It’s not $60 million PLUS absorb Bruce and Swarzak.
YourDaddy
Here is what Joel Sherman tweeted.
@Joelsherman1
No one’s given me a clue how much #Mariners are eating of Cano. But they’re taking on $37M in Bruce/Swarzak. My bet (and it is only a hunch) they’ll eat another $23M so NYM pay $60M – half of current $120M owed. Still probably twice as much as he would get if he were a fr agt
What he means by half is that the Mets will pay all but $23 million of Cano’s deal and the Mariners will pay the $28 million owed to Bruce and the $8.5 million owed to Swarzak.
myaccount
If by depressing you mean fantastic, sure. We’ve needed to rebuild since 2004. You’re happy being perpetually .500?
xabial
“More like depressing.”
We’ve never crossed paths, and you’ve never done me wrong but I have to stick up for Seattle here:
Says the Mets fan.
ckln88
So depressing If Diaz is gone. He’s got 4 years of control and is 24 and on top of the world. We’re supposed to compete by 2020/2021 so it just doesn’t make sense.
xabial
Closer is the most volatile of positions, probably all sports.
Even the immortal LH Chapman who throws 100+ took himself out of game last year, and placed on DL for weeks. Don’t get me started on Kimbrel… Diaz being 24 scares me more.
Ichiro51
you need to give to get. There was no way to keep Diaz and get a team around him. But if you trade Diaz you get prospect and shed payroll by also giving away Cano’s contract. Cano’s contract was more impactful in a negative way than Edwin Diaz’s positive contribution. If this trade gos through, now they have the payroll to be more flexible this season or next season.
xabial
Cano’s 5 year $120M for his age 36-40 seasons was borderline untradeable. if he wasn’t, PED suspension last year probably all but sealed it. He parted with Diaz, saved a boatload of cash and managed to get top prospects. They aren’t sure things but, more of a sure thing than employing this charade trying to make playoffs since 2001 and stuck “middle of the pack”
He couldn’t have gotten better than Yankees’ #1 prospect and Mets’
marinersfan1977
“We’re supposed to compete by 2020/2021”.
Sounds like you made the mistake of believing Jerry Dipoto. Of course he’s gonna tell you they’re shooting for 2020 or 2021. Doesn’t want to alienate what’s left of the M’s fanbase. But he’s full of it. Everybody knows that a successful rebuild takes 4-5 seasons.
Priggs89
You’re overrating PED suspensions. Teams do not care at all once the suspension is over.
pacman alan
Priggs… except that Cano has been suspected of juicing his entire career as per industry peers. Will he still be a 280/350 with 20 hr player without the juice? Nobody really knows the answer to that. Will he be able to stay as durable as he has been without cheating? Who knows.. Braun is still a decent player but no where close to what he was while on the juice, and he constantly gets injured now. Who knows what Cano still has to offer anymore.
ASapsFables
Priggs89: Unless of course it’s the White Sox and they sign Nelson Cruz to take Matt Davidson’s spot at DH in 2019. lol
kpotter21
Diaz was a failed starting pitching prospect converted to closer. Relief pitchers always do well in Seattle. We’ll find another.
YourDaddy
The Mariners are getting 2 relievers. Swarzak and Bautista, a RH that throws 100 mph.
HighHardOne
Hardly. If you understand what he is doing you have to admire Dipoto’s abilities.
He got to Seattle handcuffed with $64 million to 3 players and it is difficult to build a contender with that on your payroll. But through a pretty impressive ability to judge talent made some trades and brought in players that despite the salary albatross did make the team a contender. Looking 2-3 years down the road at his team and the division he made a choice to build to win at the time when those teams are facing similar challenges. This is the dynamic of modern day baseball and while not always easy to take it is the way that it is.
If you still don’t get it Dipoto is doing an Astro type rebuild and I don’t see that fan base crying because of a bad 2013-14. If Jerry is astute as I hope we will see in a couple seasons a team with mostly young team controlled players and room in the budget to bring in the finishing pieces.
madmanTX
Fire sale
watson13
Not bad
AidanVega123
Oh boy
smelliott00
Don’t understand this for the white sox
chitown311
What? A proven and quality setup man under team control for the next 2 years for a backup catcher?? I kinda understand it
Danny B.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the White Sox made Colome their closer until Zack Burdi is ready to take over.
ffjsisk
Narvaez is gonna start in Seattle
wayneroo
Hardly a backup. Take a look at his numbers.
I give no fox
You should take another look at his numbers…he is by no means a starting catcher. He is a solid contact hitter with no power. His 9 homers last year is one less than he has hit in his entire career prior. He has an average at best arm and calls a good game. He’s a solid backup catcher and can start if needed, but to depend on him for 500 ABs a season is risky for a “contender”
astromariner
He hasn’t played more than 100 games yet. Hard to make those claims until he is used full-time.
YourDaddy
What teams today count on a catcher for 500 ABs while playing behind the dish? Only 6 catchers had 500 AB last season. 4 in 2017.
500 AB from a catcher is just not a consideration. Every team has to have 2 quality catching options. Narvaez is a quality option.
BTW, a .429 SLG is well above average. For catchers its 57 points above average. Narvaez has enough pop.
Did you miss the memo that the Mariners are not expecting to contend until 2020 or 2021? That is why they are trading all these guys with short-term team control like Colome and Paxton.
I give no fox
I never said he wasn’t a quality option. People so quick to jump on a comment here. Work on your reading comprehension skills. In the last 8 years prior to this season he has 10 home runs, last year he hit 9. Yes, his stats from last year were very good for a catcher. Go ahead and drink the kool-aid on a 300 AB sample. All I said was he is not a guy I would want being my everyday starter at the position. He is a solid backup, one I liked having in the White Sox. But his arm isn’t very good, up until last year his power wasn’t good, he has been aided by a BABIP that is well over his minor league career norm. I never said he wasn’t a capable MLB catcher. His prospect profile was that of a good contact hitter, no power, solid game work, below average arm…future projection as a quality backup or very up and down regular.
YourDaddy
Don’t let me interfere with your rant, but you may want to work on your logic skills. Narvaez is 26. Prior to 2018 he had parts of 2 seasons in the majors, not 9. His career MLB slg is still above average for catchers. Many, many players find their power after a couple of years in the majors. He obviously did. I said he would be a good platoon catcher for the Mariners. YOU mentioned him being a starter. His BABIP has been consistent the past 2 seasons, so no reason to think that will fall. Most teams don’t have backup catchers anymore. They have platoon splits between catchers. Maybe one gets 85-90 starts and the other 70-75 like the White Sox had last year, but still a platoon split.
Grebek7
Tyler Flowers was a backup who started. Narvaez going to get his shot as the primary catcher & Sox get a lights out closer. They’d better accelerate theyre rebuild before the rest of division gets better
SirCheeto1
With so many options in FA, you can easily find one better than Colome. Especially with the White Sox implying they’re gonna spend.
ASapsFables
Because the White Sox need to shell out big FA dollars for a team that will be lucky to sniff .500 in 2019?
This is a smart move for a team with loads of power arms that profile as closers in the coming years when they figure to be relevant. Meanwhile they secure an accomplished and flippable closer in Colome, all for the cost of their defensively challenged backup catcher.
A by-product that could benefit the White Sox is the fact that they addressed a glaring need for 2019 while also picking up a veteran who just might help influence the decision of certain FA’s considering the South Side of Chicago as a destination this winter. A couple of more smart moves like this, maybe even one involving a top shelf starting pitcher could show a Bryce Harper that the White Sox mean to become a factor in the AL Central sooner rather than later.
bigkempin
.275/.366/.429 120 OPS+ isn’t a backup C
maximumvelocity
He is if he’s a replacement-level defender and crap framer.
dewssox79
this. his hitting will regress. he isnt very good.
wayneroo
And you know this how? He may improve from here for all you know, unless you have a crystal ball somewhere. If so, let me know who’s going to win the Super Bowl so I can go get a bet down..
hoof hearted
I dont understand this for the M’s.?
The main reason they won 89 games last year; lights out BP.
hand it off to Colume, who handed it off to Diaz.
Insane record when the lead was handed off to them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
89 wins in ’18 – heading to 70 wins in ’19.
Thats what losing those 2 will do for seattle.
Now IF JD goes out and gets a good closer; I’ll retract.
Adam6710
This is a salary dump. Mariners in full rebuild, that’s pretty clear.
wayneroo
And 89 wins got us where? 8 games behind a Wild-Card play-in game? We shouldn’t have been in that position in the first place if you consider our run differential. We won’t need a great closer for a couple of years.
marinersfan1977
Dipoto isn’t going out and getting a good closer. Perhaps you were asleep or something, but I guess you didn’t notice that the M’s are tanking and have no intention of having very many leads to protect in the 8th and 9th inning in 2019 or 2020.
BasedBallGuru
Wasting 8 mil on a setup man for a losing team is dumb in a vacuum, but they are trying to get half decent next year so FA’s will accept their money. They have to start somewhere if they ever want to compete again and be taken seriously. Some of their young guys are going to pan out eventually.. right?
jp arenciba for sportsnet
It’s turning into a fire sale
amaymon
Every year is a fire sale in Seattle with Dipoto
12thDan03
This couldn’t be more wrong. He has tried to BUILD a core and compete until now. This is a true rebuild and it’s something the Mariners have needed to do for 15 years but ownership never had the balls to follow through. Now they do. This is a big step in the right direction.
Begamin
I wouldnt even call this a full rebuild. It looks like Dipoto is trying to retool. So it is kind of like a rebuild but is still trying to create a window to succeed for this year and the next.
ckln88
We tried the rebuild option around 2010/2011
bigkempin
Dipoto himself said that this isn’t a rebuild because he expects to contend in 2020. That’s why he’s not trading for prospects who are years away from contributing.
marinersfan1977
The headliner in the deal with the Mets is 19 years old and hasn’t played above Rookie Ball. Guess you missed that…
Priggs89
They just traded a valuable reliever for a catcher that will be 27 next year. I definitely wouldn’t call it a “true rebuild.”
kpotter21
Hardly a fire sale man. A major face lift for sure. But we’re not selling everyone for prospects. We’re getting young mlb players back. N we’re keeping Haniger, Smith, Gonzales, Gamel.
Adam6710
So they’re dumping anyone who makes big money, and anyone without 4+ years of control? That’s a fire sale.
Senioreditor
Trading a lights out closer with 4 years of control is a fire sale.
YourDaddy
Depends on what you get back.
brewfan27
wow!
rxbrgr
Boom.
shane253
Looks like they found their catcher
AidanVega123
Could definitely see Chicago attempting to flip him at some point.
Vergil9000
solid trade
hoof hearted
are you kidding me!!!!
tradIng Diaz and now Colume????
thats a BIG hole to fill
Kenleyfornia74
They aren’t winning so who cares. Rebuilding teams dont need a good bullpen
wayneroo
Exactly. And now we have a catcher that doesn’t strike put a third of the time.
coug
Are you serious? You don’t need a closer when you want to lose 100 games…
24TheKid
Make the guys they’re getting from the Mets the closer and setup guy. Maybe having 0 pressure will help them succeed and then they can get traded at the deadline.
BuddyBoy
Nicasio will bounce back this year now that he can finish his pitches. If he gets back to his norm he can close until we trade him at the deadline. I wouldn’t be surprised if they give Armstrong a shot to close even
hiflew
How boring would the baseball off season be without Jerry DiPoto? I don’t have a rooting stake in the Mariners either for or against, but I do appreciate him giving us something to talk about other than blind speculation.
raysfanenigma
I certainly love it from a Rays fan’s perspective. It’s usuallh an early Christmas present around this time of the year.
Solaris601
DiPoto’s only regret is that Nelson Cruz still isn’t under contract which would afford him the opportunity to trade Cruz for prospects and salary relief.
24TheKid
So ultimately it was Andrew Moore and Tommy Romero for Narvaez from the Mariners POV. Don’t think the White Sox would have accepted that package had it been offered to them, so pretty good dealing for Dipoto.
Priggs89
I’d like to think Hahn is smart enough to do the same thing – trade Colome for significantly more than he could’ve gotten back prospect-wise for Narvaez.
Michael Chaney
I could have sworn I saw an article just the other day about the White Sox saying how much they liked Narvaez
Danny37
WSox fan here…in my opinion, Narvaez was decent offensively and poor defensively. Even if they are going to flip Colome, it was probably best to sell high on Narvaez. Now the WSox only have one catcher (Castillo) on their roster, with Collins and Zavala not being quite ready for the bigs. There HAS to be a corresponding move to this…and no, Harper will not be signed as the 2nd catcher.
amaymon
Feel like they will probably sign a backup to be there until Collins is ready. He’s not that far off
Danny37
I’m hoping for Grandal.
jbigz12
Yeah, a backup catcher will be signed. Plenty of them out there.
Priggs89
Hopefully they can bring a guy in that won’t lose his pitchers multiple strikes every game.
xfloydsterx
Excellent move for Seattle. Pre arbitration eligible catcher that hits for high average and has a high obp with some power too. Hopefully the Sox took on all of colome’s money owed. Doubtful. But if so, then the Sox got hosed.
Steve Adams
Colome isn’t owed anything. He doesn’t technically have a contract for 2019 yet, though the Sox will assuredly tender him one today. The White Sox will pay the entirety of what he is owed from here on out.
xabial
See? Jerry traded Zunino with a replacement in mind.
Big things are coming for Seattle. In addition to Cano blockbuster, believe this trade saved add’l 7M+ Colomes est arb salary, since Narvaez is not arbitration eligible until 2020
xabial
To summarize:
Although the Cano trade isn’t official, did Jerry just dump close to 100M while receiving top prospects?
Yep
Senioreditor
Dump? Hardly. If reports are true they’re paying most of what’s left on Cano if you count cash going to NY and absorbing Bruce’s contract.
xabial
Bruce had 2 years 26M hardly crippling, by any means. I see Bruce as decent bounce-back candidate, as any despite calling Safeco his new home. Bruce ‘dumped’ by the Mets to make the numbers work, but his contract isnt crippling. I dont have as much faith in Swarzak but his contract is only 1 year. 1-2 yr deals aren’t albatrosses. NET saved close to 100M saved by Seattle.
xabial
Not including highly regarded top prospects. Didn’t Seattle fans complain about their anemic farm? Can’t have it both ways. It takes true courage to admit you aren’t build enough and rebuild.
YourDaddy
If reports are true the Mariners are taking on Bruce and Swarzak’s $36.5 million in contracts and dumping $90-100 million of Cano’s deal on the Mets over the next 5 years.
YourDaddy
On MLB Network moments ago Heyman said the Mets will be getting “something reasonable like $10 million” along with Cano and Diaz.
YourDaddy
Jeff Passan just said that the Mets will get $23.5 million along with Cano and Diaz. Curious number. That makes Seattle’s savings in the trade exactly half of the $120 million owed to Cano.
Bruce is owed $28 million over 2 seasons
Swarzak is owed $8.5 million for 2019 and then is a FA
Plus $23.5 million
= $60 million
Exactly half of Cano’s contract.
To recap.
The Mariners get
Kelenic – the #6 overall draft pick last season, the #62 prospect, and the Mets to OF prospect.
Dunn – the #19 overall draft pick in 2016, the #89 prospect, and the Mets top pitching prospect
Bautista – a 22 year old reliever that throws 100 mph and jumped from A+ ball all the way to the majors last season
Bruce – a replacement for Nelson Cruz a year removed from a 36 HR/.835 OPS season
Swarzak – A veteran reliever a year removed from a 2.33 ERA 70 game season.
xabial
Further recap :
Bruce and Swarzak eventually get traded by Jerry. Something tells me, if Bruce is traded, SEA gets more than Mets’ Bruce-CLE trade
Neil5611
Exactly as an Ms fan I’m excited that we are building with youth and cutting salary
ckln88
What does cutting salary do for us? Cheaper tickets? Cheaper garlic fries? Will they the spend a bunch of free agents in a few years when they’re ready to contend? Do they give more to the community. The answer is no no no no. So why does cutting salary matter to us whatsoever unless we’re trying to sign someone or are playing MLB the show
Slipknot37
They really are reshaping the roster. Good catcher to get for seattle
24TheKid
King Felix- 2019 Mariners closer.
Neil5611
Most interesting comment here
Senioreditor
He’s gone next.
joepanikatthedisco
Cool idea. It’s not unheard of for washed up old starters to become closers, just look at Bud Norris. Plus Felix eating innings in any capacity is a good publicity move.
sss847
if this isn’t a lead-in to a grandal signing or realmuto trade, then i really don’t get it from the sox perspective.
Priggs89
He wasn’t going to start over Wellington. He’s a horrible defender, and his framing is bad for the pitching staff. Seby or Collins will hopefully be up by the time Wellington’s contract is up. If not, they can always sign a stop gap option for a year. He really didn’t have much value for them.
sss847
thats not the point. a team that isn’t going for it has no need for a high priced closer with 2 years of team control. if they’re not gearing up for something big, then they see colome as a flip candidate. if thats the case then this is a roundabout way of trading omar narvaez for something like kodi medeiros. that just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
maybe they sign a low key stopgap with good defense like maldonado and spend their money on bigger free agents. but this move, taken in isolation, for a team in the white sox position is a little confusing.
hoof hearted
Yes the team was getting older. But afew adjustments and Sea could have been competitive in ’19.
Hou has to fill SP holes.
You dont think Oak could play in 2019 like they did in the 2nd half? I dont.
You think that Healy and Seagar could improve alittle in 2019? I do.
-now its back to the bottom, hello texas; here we come.
Im going to need the costco size pepto bismol
BuddyBoy
We couldn’t catch the Astros in the division much less Boston, NYY, Clev and arguably Oakland. We would be trying to get a WC berth with an overpriced and aging roster. Rebuild was the right way to go
YourDaddy
The Mariners had a -37 run differential in 2018. They should have won about 77-78 games based on the fact that they gave up that many more runs than they scored. They were not a few adjustments away from being a contending team in a division that includes the Astros, A’s, Angels, and Rangers.
TradeAcuna
Looks like Haniger is heading to the Braves!
BuddyBoy
Doubt it
bigdaddyhacks
This is a great trade for the Mariners! Dude was statistically the best hitter the white Sox had.
ASapsFables
1-What statistics? BA?
2-Not saying much considering the woes of the White Sox offense last season.
3-Narvaez would have been the backup to Wellington Castillo in 2019 and should have been last year if not for a certain PED suspension.
joepanikatthedisco
Kevan Smith hit for a higher average but Omar led the team in OBP (.366) and OPS+ (120).
YourDaddy
I was curious about that so I took a look. Always helps to look. Of the guys on the White Sox with at least 300 PA, roughly a half season, Narvaez had the best BA, OBP, 2nd best OPS, best OPS+, and highest WAR. He also led the team in wRC+ and wOBA.
fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&…
baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/2018.shtml
Priggs89
Yes, the Sox were really, really bad…
ASapsFables
Dang. I guess the White Sox should have dealt a younger under-achieving player like Yoan Moncada or Tim Anderson and just kept Narvaez’ bat instead. What was I thinking? lol
jdgoat
I don’t get this for Chicago. Don’t get me wrong, Colome is a nice bullpen piece. But do they really need to trade assets for a guy like him at this point in their rebuild?
Maybe this shows signs that they’re really serious about a run at the big fish’s this year and are ready to go for it. Especially with Cleveland seemingly dismantling their rotation.
Solaris601
Have to agree that CWS is accelerating the program since the Tribe is vulnerable right now. Once CLE deals Kluber I think either Bauer or Carrasco is next. While CLE loves Bauer they don’t like the fact he won’t sign a team friendly extension for cost control.
pplama
Back-end ‘Pen arms are worth a lot more at the deadline than Catchers who can’t catch.
ASapsFables
Yes. Colome will also have every opportunity to enhance his trade value as a closer on the South Side this summer, something that happened with a much older Joakim Soria last July.
profhambone2
He’ll be terrible. He is a middle inning RP or at best maybe a part of a pool of closing type RP’s. He will be flipped by the trade deadline for prospects.
jbigz12
Poor defensive catcher who the .org may think played over his head offensively for Colome. They could flip Colome at the deadline for a prospect package that is probably more valuable than a backup C. I can see why they’d do this. From Seattle’s POV it makes plenty of sense too. Get a C, they have nothing in their system there.
rotofool
Narvaez was not an asset despite his solid but unspectacular bat. His poor receiving costs the SOX developmentally, in that their staff must throw many extra pitches and absorb miscues and runners advancing, putting more wear and tear on young developing arms. SOX need plus defensive catchers to guide their young staff, like what TEX is doing adding Mathis. Perhaps they’ll add DET’s castaway McCann, whom can at least control the run game and provide some lefty power in a platoon with Castillo until Collins is ready.
An additional plus is Colome, another flippable reliever with upside that can help to close out games. Nothing hurts a young team more than continually blowing leads late. Colome a better investment than Kimbrel, Familia, Escobar, Miller, Britton, although I’d like to see them add another veteran righty reliever, perhaps even Soria again.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
“Hey, Jerry DiPoto is on the line. He wants to know what we’d give him for the entire Seattle franchise, stadium included.”
YourDaddy
$2.2 billion should cover it $1.65 billion for the team and $517 million for the ballpark. Although the Washington State Major League Baseball Stadium Public Facilities District owns the ballpark, so not sure DiPoto can sell it.
pplama
If this is a sell high on Omar and use Colome for prospects at the deadline move by Hahn, it’s a great trade. If the Sox are now going to waste a draft pick on Grandall, or sign another subpar defender like Ramos and go for an 82 win season, it’s a mistake.
GoSoxGo
Well said. Unless the Colome-for-prospects scenario plays out, I would have preferred to see the Sox trade Castillo instead. It could be, though, that the Sox proposed Castillo but the Mariners wouldn’t take him and his salary.
ASapsFables
Why would the White Sox sign Yasmani Grandal with a similarly aged veteran in Wellington Castillo under their own control in 2019 for $7.25MM and potentially in 2020 for $8MM with a team option? They should have a better idea come the end of next season on the progress of catching prospects Zack Collins and Seby Zavala. I don’t see the White Sox acquiring another starting catcher this offseason unless it was a bold move for an elite young one like J.T. Realmuto who they would then need to extend.
Reality suggests the White Sox will be in the market for another left-handed hitting veteran this winter to replace backup Omar Narvaez, presumably one that can play better defense. Reality would also suggest that Colome will indeed be flipped as the 2019 summer trade deadline approaches. Another realistic scenario would have Castillo joining Colome on the trade block in July.
Soldierofgod619
Seattles building a farm while getting rid of expensive players. Theres some good young teams in the AL west competing so i like the direction the Mariners are going. Keep Haniger but the rest of their position players should be in play. Segura could net them some nice pitching prospects
Bert17
He got a major league catcher who is a poor defender, how is that building the farm? If that was really all he could get, seems like he should have waited for July when relievers bring back more than they do in the off season.
SupremeZeus
IMO, solid move for the White Sox – a flip candidate for likely their last tank year. Narvaez is cheap but he was almost the worst pitch framer in the league last season. IMO, the Sox are selling high on Narvaez. Maybe the Sox target Martin Maldonado as the bridge to Collins.
ASapsFables
Nice start to the offseason for Rick Hahn. The White Sox get an accomplished 30-year old (on Dec.31) closer with two years of arbitration control who can always be flipped…all for a platoon/backup catcher with limited defensive skills.
glooney1
I love reading the negative comments from the armchair GMs about Dipoto’s moves. As someone said earlier, should the Cano trade actually take place, Dipoto will have rid the team of albatross of a contract, while receiving valuable prospects in return. For those questioning the moves, remember just a few short years ago the Astros were being called a ‘high school’ ML team due to their trades, drafts, front office decisions and record. That worked out rather well.
NYIrishman@FL
Wonder what the over and under is for total trades this offseason for Seattle is?
Ichiro51
If anyone is complaining about how Dipoto is handling the Mariners needs to look at the past years before him. We traded away prospect like Adam Jones for an unsuccessful return. This has happened consistently in Mariners organization. He attempted to put a winning team together last season and he did. unfortunately the other teams were just on an unexpected level of success. The Mariners dealt with injuries and suspension. He has reacted to every single need for the roster in an effort to make the Mariners fanbase interested. Yes he traded so many prospects last season but he put a winning team. Unfortunately it did not work out, so now he’s getting back prospect. At least he did not stay the course of putting the same team to get the same results. He knows getting a FA to sign to his organization is going to be damn near impossible unless they live close to Seattle, most FA want a chance to win. They cant. But he put Seattle in a position to possibly do that within the next 2 years with prospect and cash flow. I’m a Mariners fan and I am happy with it. it is sad to see Paxton go but we need a younger ace, so they can be successful for years to come.
RobBoSoxNMariners
I’m not sure you are watching the same offseason as me. This trade is terrible and likely the Cano/Diaz trade if it happens will trump every other bad Ms trade of all time. If it doesn’t happen, I’ll make the best of this trade. So far Dipoto hasn’t screwed it all up, but all reports show we are just a weekend away from him finalizing his screw up
YourDaddy
That is funny.
The Mariners had no catchers. Now they have a good hitting one to platoon with whoever they bring in with a good glove AND save $7 million
They got a 25 year old CF that had a 3.5 WAR in his first full MLB season for a .207 hitting catcher and saved $4 million. Big win there.
If the Cano deal goes through they get the #6 overall draft pick last year, the #19 in 2016, a reliever that hits 100 regularly, a cheaper replacement for Cruz in Bruce, and Swarzak a god veteran reliever that put up a 2.33 ERA in 2017.
newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/gerson-bautista-1…
So far Dipoto has done an outstanding job.
javier 3
Who thinks the cardinals should have made this trade but traded Carson Kelly? A better prospect then Narvaez I think the mariners would’ve made that trade.
whosyourmomma
Carson Kelly is much higher ranked prospect though, not to mention M’s would get what 6 years of control on him? I would not have done that deal from Cards perspective.
Bert17
That would be nuts for the cardinals. Five or six hears of a better catcher for 2 of a good, not great closer?
bighiggy
I was just thinking that, cards missed out. Kelly’s waiting away and colome would have been a big help
bcs19469
Looks like the M’s are OK with Latin catchers after all.
joepanikatthedisco
Sounds like someone’s still salty over Jesús Montero?
piercejd
Jerry just gave me the rope a dope!
whosyourmomma
I like this move from WS perspective. They have Collins and Zavala who seem to be their catchers of the future. I think for this year the WS will bring in a defensive minded catcher like d’Arnaud or Wolters to help their young pitchers.
ChiSoxCity
Good move for the Sox. Feel kinda bad for Mariners fans…well, not really.
Bert17
The Red Sox have three catchers and need a closer, how did they not get a deal for Colome done?
RobBoSoxNMariners
Swihart is much better than this one year wonder. Unreal..
joepanikatthedisco
Name one thing Swihart is actually good at, other than accumulating a freaky cult following.
YourDaddy
.229/.285/.328/.613. Not even close in any category to Narvaez offensively.
Priggs89
Swihart sucks. Everybody outside of Boston knows it. Move on.
mlb1225
Feel like Colome could have brought back a few prospects more valuable than Narvaez.
RobBoSoxNMariners
Now closing for the Mariners.. KYLE SEAGER
marinerfan
Hi, I’m Jerry. Need a 3rd baseman? Let’s make a deal!
bobtillman
Kind of “meh”; small advantage to the Mariners. A backup catcher for a reliever no one in their right mind would use consistently in high leverage situations. The issue with Navy is that he’s COMPLETELY un-athletic; the neighborhood fat kid that catches because he can’t play anywhere else. And he’s a pretty horrible catcher, by both metrics and the naked eye.
Colome, as any Rays’ fan knows, alternates from being mildly effective to being a complete melt down. His value ends at the 7th inning. As such, he’s really overpriced; he’d be palatable at minimum wage, but not for much more. And there’s no reason at this point to think he improves. He’s the perfect example of the “high price of mediocrity” that Bill Veck used to talk about.
All Navy will really do is be a warm body until the M’s get a real ball player. But they save some money (which I think they’ll use in other, more productive places).
George Ruth
Well Mariner’s fans you might as well put any post season hopes back up on the shelf for the near future because the Mariner’s won’t be in any post season games.
marinerfan
Ha! We tell ourselves that every spring, bro!
fakenews
Nice move for the White Sox
YourDaddy
Only if they intend to go for it in 2019 or 2020.
Priggs89
Nice sell high by Rick. Narvaez is a fine backup, but he’s a terrible defender and doesn’t have a whole lot of pop. I could live with the lack of pop if he was even an average defender but even that’s a stretch. He really didn’t have much value with Wellington on the roster.
I really hope Hahn intends on selling Colome to the highest bidder. The prospect capital he can get back for Colome is significantly greater than what he could’ve gotten for Narvaez. I’d be reaching out trying to flip him (and maybe a little more) for a defensive minded catcher to platoon with Collins going forward. Carson Kelly makes sense. Platoon him with Wellington, then let him get starter reps in 2020 while working Collins or Zavala in.
Either that or try to pry Miguel Amaya away from the North Siders.
YourDaddy
.429 slg is good pop. He crushes RHP. Great platoon catcher for the Mariners. AND a $7 million savings in salary.
Priggs89
That was about a 90 point improvement over the previous year. That very well could stick, but after watching him for 2 years, I wouldn’t put my money on it. Again, I think Hahn did a good job selling high on somebody that had little to no value for this Sox team.
lugger
White Sox actually have catching depth in the organization. Most of it is not ready yet but they have Wellington Castillo they will use for this year and need to get a guy who can play 60 games.. Collins and Zavala will man it in 2020. I really see the Sox drafting with the 3rd pick Rutschman or Langeliers and so they sold high on Narvaez.
I liked Narvaez and will miss him. Having a lefty catcher that is highly thought of in the minors made him a tradeable asset. I would of liked to have seen it next year and not now but it seems possibly making Colome a deadline flip or as a piece on a winning team was too attractive apparently. The next move i think will be telling in what the Sox will try to do in 2019, another flip sign or trade or something more meaningful.
ASapsFables
I agree with much of this although I am less optimistic regarding their catching prospects from a defensive standpoint which is a paramount concern with a future pitching staff loaded with high octane arms and some command issues.
marinerfan
After seeing all the catchers who were non-tendered yesterday, it’s clear to me that this guy was on the M’s radar. They could have waited to see who was dropped onto the market but no, they traded for him prior to non-tendering.