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Mariners, Indians, Rays Strike 3-Team Swap Involving Edwin Encarnacion, Carlos Santana

By Jeff Todd | December 13, 2018 at 1:15pm CDT

The close of the Winter Meetings brought with it a interesting three-team trade — authored by none other than Seattle dealmaker Jerry Dipoto, who was apparently operating from a hospital bed. The Mariners have added slugger Edwin Encarnacion while sending recently acquired first baseman Carlos Santana (Encarnacion’s former teammate) to the Indians in the deal. The Rays, too, involved in this swap. They’ll pick up corner infielder Yandy Diaz and righty Cole Sulser from the Indians and send first baseman/corner outfielder Jake Bauers to the Indians

Beyond the players involved in the trade, a reported $5MM will go to the Mariners from the Rays. Seattle, meanwhile, will send a reported $6MM on to the Indians and will also acquire the Cleveland org’s competitive balance pick in next year’s draft. It’s a Round B choice that currently sits at No. 77 — though the exact order of next year’s draft will be altered slightly by the compensation and draft penalization for teams signing players who have rejected qualifying offers. Regardless, the Mariners have likely added a top 80 selection to their slate of picks next summer.

Needless to say, there are some varying considerations at play here. Cash is king with regard to the notable veteran sluggers, who are certainly the most recognizable players in this deal. Encarnacion is owed $24MM through the 2019 campaign (including a buyout on a club option), while Santana’s deal promises him $35MM through 2020 (also with an option buyout).

It’s far from clear that Encarnacion will remain in Seattle when all is said and done. To the contrary, in fact, he may well go to Tampa Bay in a separate swap, per Scott Miller of Bleacher Report (via Twitter), though Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times emphasizes there’s nothing “in place or lined up” in that regard (Twitter link). With the M’s looking to shed payroll and boost their talent reserves, they’ll surely be willing to spin off Encarnacion — to the Rays or another rival — if there’s a favorable offer. After all, the organization already acquired and dumped Santana this winter.

Both Encarnacion and Santana will be looking to recover from relative down seasons. The former, 35, slashed .246/.336/.474 with 32 home runs last year, still a productive campaign but not to his usual standards. He’s seen mostly as a DH at this stage of his career, but can still line up at first base on at least a part-time basis. The 32-year-old Santana, meanwhile, turned in a .229/.352/.414 batting line and swatted 24 long balls in 679 plate appearances with the Phillies, who signed him after out-bidding the Indians but soured on the fit this winter. He’s regarded as a solid performer at first and still draws walks at an impressive clip; in 2018, in fact, he took 110 free passes while going down 93 times on strikes.

Working out the math for Seattle, the team will end up sending out $1MM while paring $11MM in obligations, resulting in a net savings of $10MM. They’ll only have one year of Encarnacion to deal along elsewhere, but they’ll also pick up the draft selection for their trouble.

The Indians, meanwhile, will open some additional 2018 payroll space by shedding the big hit on Encarnacion. Santana will cost more ($29MM) in the aggregate, but it’s spread over multiple years. The money from the M’s is split into $2MM and $4MM payments, Paul Hoynes of the Plain Dealer tweets. Plus, there’s the post-2020 buyout. All said, there’s now added cash hung on the 2020 and 2021 ledgers. Presumably, the club is also pleased to bring back a long-time franchise stalwart. Of course, now that Bauers is on hand along with Santana, there are now new trade possibilities here as well. First baseman Yonder Alonso, who’s owed $8MM in 2019 along with a $1MM buyout on a 2020 option, could end up on the move, though Bauers could also factor in the outfield mix and the team could utilize Alonso and Santana as a first base/DH pairing.

On the Rays’ end of the swap, Bauers was long considered a top prospect but clearly wasn’t seen as a key piece for the club. Diaz will enter an ever-changing infield mix in Tampa Bay after a strong 2018 showing in which he posted .797 OPS figures at both the Triple-A (426 plate appearances) and MLB (120 plate appearances) levels. In addition to possessing some of the game’s most impressive biceps and the ability to line up at third base as well as the corner outfield, Diaz will come with six seasons of future control. Rays exec Chaim Bloom says the club likes the versatility and the upside that comes with the 27-year-old (video link on Twitter from Topkin). Sulser, 28, has yet to reach the bigs, but will presumably factor into a deep Rays relief corps after throwing 105 innings of 3.51 ERA ball with 12.3 K/9 and 3.6 BB/9 at Triple-A over the past three seasons.

Jon Heyman of Fancred (Twitter links), Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times (all Twitter links) and Joel Sherman of the New York Post (Twitter links) were all at the forefront of the reporting on this news.

Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.

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281 Comments

  1. xabial

    6 years ago

    Trader Jerry’s #1 fan.

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    • MetsYankeesRedSox

      6 years ago

      Welcome back!

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      • baseballpun

        6 years ago

        Your dreams were your ticket out

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        • ABCD

          6 years ago

          Now I can’t get that song out of my head.

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        • ABCD

          6 years ago

          M’s fans, anyone keeping track…what is the turnover % on the 40 man roster this offseason? Not counting Santana and Encarnacion.

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        • Benjamin560

          6 years ago

          We can’t keep up with that!

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        • ABCD

          6 years ago

          I estimate it to be 23. So, almost 58%. Only three and a half months until opening day.

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    • cubsfan2489

      6 years ago

      Done being grounded and got your mobile devices back? Awesome.

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    • Tyson’s Pet Tiger

      6 years ago

      Pretty sad

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    • XabiaI

      6 years ago

      Mark…. this phony is trying to impersonate me….mark? Mark I’m being serious, get over here and ban this kid. Now.

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      • Falsehope

        6 years ago

        Get over yourself

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  2. sidewinder11

    6 years ago

    Strange

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    • Sheldon Bowen

      6 years ago

      Hoping they got something to make the swap make sense

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    • WestCoastSoxFan

      6 years ago

      The Mariners are being run like a straight-up fantasy league team. What does Encarnacion do for them?

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      • Knowthemarket

        6 years ago

        Santana is owed $40 million for two years, Encarnacion is owed $20 million this year.

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        • WestCoastSoxFan

          6 years ago

          Right, but Encarnacion is strictly a DH for a team that needs roster flexibility. Encarnacion is a bit of a luxury item for a team like the Mariners. If they wanted to move Santana, I feel like they could have gotten a more useful piece/pieces.

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        • Dave W

          6 years ago

          Well, those other players have to be available and another team has to be interestered in him. No one else is available. You take the best deal as possible, sometimes

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        • biasisrelitive

          6 years ago

          Who needs flexibility when ur tanking

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        • WestCoastSoxFan

          6 years ago

          That’s a good point! Just keep trading until you are left with the worst group of players at the least amount of $$, I guess.

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        • Sheldon Bowen

          6 years ago

          Saving on payroll 10 million and getting the projected 77 pick in the draft seemed worth it. Encarnacion I have a feeling is moving and so we will see. Jerry is just the guy to rebuild I’d rather them be super aggressive and speed it up hopefully if these guys stick. In two years they will have zero commitments.

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        • Knowthemarket

          6 years ago

          The Mariners are a rebuilding team. They can use the bat boy to play a position and nobody is going to care.

          Encarnacion is originally a first basemen. The Mariners are going to be bad so if they use a bad defensive third basemen it’s going to he understandable in light of saving the money.

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      • Benjamin560

        6 years ago

        A competitive balance pick and another trade chip from the Jean Segura deal as well as salary relief!

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      • NorahW

        6 years ago

        Trade bait. Dipoto will trade him for prospects.

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  3. Not Xabial

    6 years ago

    Three team trade. Tampa Bay is involved

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    • Vjg

      6 years ago

      I think so too

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    • BrandonBrave91

      6 years ago

      Santana probably going to Ray’s.

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      • deweybelongsinthehall

        6 years ago

        Encarnacion. Indians probably happy to get Santana back. Financially though it’s questionable.

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      • Ejemp2006

        6 years ago

        Nope Rays don’t pay MLB salaries

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        • TaeRaysFan

          6 years ago

          The Rays pay major league salaries if they want to invest in the player. Look at Kevin Keirmaier who has sucked since he got his big payday; Blake Snell the 2018 Sy Young Award-Winning Pitcher for the AL (his payday is now significantly higher than opening day in 2018). Here’s a list of

          2018 Opening Day Salaries:

          Wilson Ramos, c $10,500,000
          Denard Span, of $9,000,000
          Chris Archer, rhp $6,250,000
          Adeiny Hechavarria, ss $5,900,000
          Kevin Kiermaier, of $5,500,000
          Alex Colome, rhp $5,300,000
          Brad Miller, 1b $4,500,000
          Carlos Gomez, of $4,000,000
          Sergio Romo, rhp $2,500,000
          C.J. Cron, 1b $2,300,000
          x-Nathan Eovaldi, rhp $2,000,000
          Matt Duffy, 3b $930,000
          Jesus Sucre,c $925,000
          Chaz Roe, rhp $720,000
          Matt Andreiese, rhp $559,400
          Blake Snell, lhp $558,200
          Jake Faria, rhp $555,000
          Mallex Smith, of $553,000
          Rob Refsnyder, of/inf $552,500
          Austin Pruitt, rhp $550,200
          Jose Alvarado, lhp $549,800
          Daniel Robertson, inf $548,300
          Andrew Kittredge, rhp $548,100
          Joey Wendle, inf $546,900
          x-Jose De Leon, rhp $545,600
          Yonny Chirinos, rhp $545,000
          Ryan Yarbrough, lhp $545,000

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  4. baseballpun

    6 years ago

    ooookay….

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    • baseballpun

      6 years ago

      Ah, so Rays might be involved. This could start to make some sense.

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      • baseballpun

        6 years ago

        I was wrong. It still doesn’t make sense.

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        • baseballpun

          6 years ago

          EE now going to the Rays? Now it’s making sense again.

          It’s been a real roller-coaster, guys.

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        • baseballpun

          6 years ago

          Nope. Doesn’t make sense.

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        • thor would look better in red

          6 years ago

          your self dialog just made it worth to read this article

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        • aceofrainbows

          6 years ago

          I second this

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  5. kvnmaret

    6 years ago

    umm what

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  6. nmendoza7

    6 years ago

    Edwin goes from post season to last place. Damn.

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    • Waddupitsyahboy

      6 years ago

      Until the trade deadline.

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      • jerrytek

        6 years ago

        Until next week.

        There is about a 20% chance that Edwin Encarnacion ever wears a Mariners jersey.

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  7. forgiveusbillybuck

    6 years ago

    wtf?

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  8. #Fantasygeekland

    6 years ago

    I doubt encarnacion ever plays in an M’s uniform.

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  9. unloadingmouth

    6 years ago

    Always the Rays

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  10. ColossusOfClout

    6 years ago

    Shuffling deck chairs.

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  11. fmj

    6 years ago

    *scratches head*

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  12. Ken M.

    6 years ago

    Somebody take Jerry’s scotch away. It is far too early.

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    • kc38

      6 years ago

      The M’s really can’t make a trade without Tampa lol

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  13. stefano61

    6 years ago

    Edwin obviously going somewhere else

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    • BrandonBrave91

      6 years ago

      I think its Santana going to Ray’s, and encarcion to Ms. Not sure what Indians are getting.. money?

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    • Benjamin560

      6 years ago

      Edwin to the Rockies????

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      • TheBoatmen

        6 years ago

        Has already been shot down because it has been too long since EE has been a regular first baseman.

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  14. allweatherfan

    6 years ago

    FYI…Third team, not third time.

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  15. BrewCrew1302

    6 years ago

    Can an Indian fan explain this move to me lol. Are they rebuilding or not?

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    • Padres458

      6 years ago

      Encarncion isnt good, and is overpaid. Tribe needs offense. Remember they couldn’t win 60% of their games in the worst division maybe ever. They r trying to move a pitcher to have a better overall team.

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      • BrewCrew1302

        6 years ago

        I get that but trying to move Kluber does not make sense to me. Hes under team control for 3 years I believe, and needs to be in this rotation if they want to compete. And i agree, the AL central is a joke. Hell, the royals got a shot of competing which is sad

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      • joepanikatthedisco

        6 years ago

        Santana isn’t any better than Encarnacion, and who knows if Bauers will be any good

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        • JPADA

          6 years ago

          Santana’s cheaper, saves what 8 million or so that they can spend elsewhere. Not a big drop in production either. Bauers is at league min. The two together should be more productive than one of Encarnacion. If not they still saved the money, maybe they put it to good use.

          The real question is what did they give up in Diaz?

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        • hrush28

          6 years ago

          I loved Diaz and he’s been good, I don’t understand why they got rid of him

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        • hockeyjohn

          6 years ago

          Jake Bauers is a higher rated prospect and he can play outfield. I looked back at the MLB Prospect Pipeline for 2016 – Diaz was the #10th rated Indians Prospect. Bauers was the 4th rated prospect in Tampa’s system and #73 in MLB’s top 100 Prospects. In 2017 Bauers remained the #73 Prospect on the MLB top 100. Twho reasons for Cleveland to swap Diaz for Bauers. One is Bauers has more power. Number two and most important, HE CAN PLAY OUTFIELD!

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        • Polish Hammer

          6 years ago

          Because he’s a Punch & Judy hitter, nothing more than a singles hitters with no pop and no true position. Arms like Popeye and all the power of Olive Oyl…

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        • davefig2

          6 years ago

          Too funny…….

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        • TaeRaysFan

          6 years ago

          Jake Bauer is a terrifiic defensive 1st baseman!! He can catch anything in his glove!! He’s also a pretty good hitter although he tends to be somewhat streaky which isn’t uncommon for young players. It’s just something he’ll have to learn to overcome. As a Rays’ fan, I was very disappointed to hear they traded Jake! He brought a lot of enthusiasm to the team along with his best bud who was brought up from AAA at the same time Jake was brought up to the big leagues! We’ll surely miss him here in Tampa!

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        • TaeRaysFan

          6 years ago

          Bauers is not the best outfielder at all. That’s why the Rays had him at 1st or 2nd or at DH when he played. He had a hard time judging the depth of the balls when they were hit to the outfield the very few times I saw him in the outfield (and I missed very few games). If he wasn’t on 1st or 2nd, then he was the DH or he wasn’t playing. Kevin Keirmaier, Mallex Smith, Tommy Pham, Carlos Gomez and Brandon Lowe were rotated in our outfield as a general rule last season.

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        • TaeRaysFan

          6 years ago

          I think you’ve got the wrong player Polish Hammer! Bauers hit for power more often than not!

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    • Nathan Rosenhaus

      6 years ago

      Our front office has said this multiple times. We’re retooling not rebuilding. Edwin has done nothing in the playoffs for us through 2 seasons. In the same amount of seasons (less games played for edwin tho) Santana has 14 hits, 4 home runs and 8 rbis. (excluding 2013 WC). Edwin has 1 hit. One single hit. Carlos is cheaper. He is also 3 years younger

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      • BrewCrew1302

        6 years ago

        funny thing is, even if the Indians went full rebuild, they would still be the favorites to win the central. that division is a joke

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        • Samuel

          6 years ago

          Santana is not cheaper….

          EE is owed $25m with the buyout for one year; Santana owed $35 for 2 years. Indians get $6m from the M’s leaving them owing Santana $29m over 2 years.

          Have my doubts that Santana’s worth $14.5 a year – but I assume this was the best they could do with EE.

          Now it’s yet another LH hitting 1B/DH/LF in Bauer, moving the RH hitting Diaz out. So the Indians are yet again susceptible to LH pitching. Now Kipnis goes back to 2B – a position he plays at a substandard level (no select defensive stats please!). Rameriz goes back to 3B – a far less important position then 2B…..which Rameriz plays at a gold glove level.

          I keep trying to like the Indians, but can’t. Preller is great accumulating prospects – but once they’re ready he has the budget and players roles in a mess. In their way, the Indians are the same – they grow starting pitchers possibly better than anyone in MLB…..but they can’t handle budgets, and are left platooning the Naquin’s, Luplow’s, Allen’s, Martin’s, Kipnis’ and now Bauer’s, Alonso’s, Santana’s, and a SW hitting inf – Max Moroff – a 25 year-old Pirates castoff with a ML BA of .193. And their recycled pitching coach brought in to replace Callahan couldn’t get a thing out of the bullpen last year.

          The Indians better bring in a strong, young RH bat (heck, they even lost Gomes). Playoff teams have pitching. This Indians line-up cannot possibly compete in the post-season. When Lindor leaves, the team implodes.

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        • JPADA

          6 years ago

          Santana is cheaper per year. Edwin 25M, Carlos 15M, plus Indian got 6M back. So Indians save 16M this year, that’s 16M they can spend toward other needs.

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        • Questionable_Source

          6 years ago

          Watch out for the Braves sending Johan Camargo in a package for kluber. That would take care of 3rd base and he’s a switch hitter.

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        • Solar Flare

          6 years ago

          Yes, because they could get it even with a win total in the low 80’s. Not saying that they will have a win total in the low 80’s, it’s just that there is a very good chance that the 2nd place team will have a losing record again.

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        • sportsnut969

          6 years ago

          In 2019 Sanatana set to make 17.5 mil and the Mariners are paying 2 mil of that 2020 Santana set to make 17.5 and the Mariners will pay 4 mil of that.

          Santana deal looked like 20 mil per year but of the deal 10 mil was as a up front signing bonus that was paid up front by the Phillies I hope this explains what is actually owed going forward to Santana.

          So in short the Indians ended up getting Santana back for much less per year than what they originally offering him which was 18 mil per year prior to Santana excepting the Phillies offer.

          Santana is a major defensive upgrade to Edwin at 1st who looked horrible in the games he spent there I’m happy to see him gone if he would have spent the next few years here he may have broke Joe Carters record for most meaningless homeruns in team history LOL.

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        • Avory

          6 years ago

          Another Tribe fan who remembers Joe Carter well. I remember him best for not wanting to shoulder the burden of carrying the Indians to respectability. That abdication was worse than all the empty home runs. When we needed leaders, he bowed out. I was so disappointed he got to ride the Toronto wave like he did.

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  16. BrandonBrave91

    6 years ago

    Santana probably going to Ray’s.

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    • seamaholic 2

      6 years ago

      I’d guess EE going to Rays..

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  17. madmax06

    6 years ago

    Watch Santana get packaged elsewhere in a pitcher deal

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  18. crazy4cleveland

    6 years ago

    Wonder if Kipnis is on the move as a part of the package.

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  19. kc38

    6 years ago

    Rays giving up jake Bauer’s to Cleveland

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    • timm-2

      6 years ago

      and Diaz is going to TB. Just heard it on MLB Radio

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      • BrandonBrave91

        6 years ago

        Whoa

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  20. baseballpun

    6 years ago

    So what do we think? Santana and the rest of his contract lands in Cleveland, Encarnacion goes to the Rays with SEA kicking in some cash for prospect coming from Tampa?

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  21. pinkerton

    6 years ago

    I think someone is gonna get traded here

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  22. raidersumpire

    6 years ago

    Wow. The Rays are using that money this week.

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  23. timm-2

    6 years ago

    This was just reported on MLB Radio

    Sea gets EE
    Cle gets Bauers and Santana
    TB gets Diaz and a PTBNL

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    • Benjamin560

      6 years ago

      Who’s Diaz????

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      • timm-2

        6 years ago

        baseball-reference.com/players/d/diazya01.shtml

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      • Benjamin560

        6 years ago

        Never heard of Yandy Diaz until just right this moment. Goes to show when you’re studying for the Medical Board Exam, it’s the same as hiding under a rock! Thanks for the link.

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  24. Willy Mays

    6 years ago

    Santana and Bauers to Cleveland looks like the winner here but intersting trade

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  25. Altanta Barves

    6 years ago

    Cleveland is in tank mode!!! They were never going to win a title anyway…

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    • baseballpun

      6 years ago

      Tank mode?

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      • Altanta Barves

        6 years ago

        Yeah, Kluber is next.

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        • joepanikatthedisco

          6 years ago

          “Oh geez (wipes away sweat) Agh the Twins are so powerful, they might win 85 games, oh we better throw in the towel”

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        • Altanta Barves

          6 years ago

          That’s literally what Cleveland is doing.

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        • baseballpun

          6 years ago

          In what universe is swapping Encarnacion for Santana “tanking”?

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        • Altanta Barves

          6 years ago

          Earth.

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        • baseballpun

          6 years ago

          That’s a planet, not a universe, and you still don’t make any sense.

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        • Altanta Barves

          6 years ago

          You should really learn the definition of universe.

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        • hockeyjohn

          6 years ago

          Cleveland can not add to their payroll so they are trying to shuffle the roster to best compete in 2019 and 2020 and beyond. Starting pitcher is Cleveland’s strength. If they trade one, they will get young outfielders. which they need.

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        • southbeachbully

          6 years ago

          A universe is comprised of planets, moons, stars etc. If he had said on “what planet” then Earth would’ve been a valid answer. Therefor not only are you wrong about the Indians tanking but you’re also blatantly uneducated about celestial matters.

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        • Altanta Barves

          6 years ago

          A universe is comprised of planets. Earth is a planet, therefore is in the universe, so when he asked “what universe are you on?” Earth is a valid answer. Though since we’re tripping over semantics, I’d like to point out “what universe?” is an incredibly stupid question anyway, and it came from someone who must be in denial over Cleveland tanking.

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        • houkenflouken

          6 years ago

          You sound like you like to start a lot fights lol and earth is not a universe it’s a planet smh Georgia public schools

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        • baseballpun

          6 years ago

          I’m not a Cleveland fan. I don’t need to be in denial about Cleveland because I don’t care. But I’m not delusional, either, so I don’t think that (arguably) upgrading from EE to Santana to save money in the short term that may well be used to upgrade next season’s roster further is “tanking.”

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        • getright11

          6 years ago

          Always wrap it up, please

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    • sufferforsnakes

      6 years ago

      Troll.

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    • User 2997803866

      6 years ago

      Tanking? They just turned Diaz and Edwin into Bauers and Santana. That’s not tanking!

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    • Vick.___

      6 years ago

      Lol…they can get rid of Bauer or Kluber & still win division easily. They’re not tanking, AL Central is hot gabage right now…

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      • Altanta Barves

        6 years ago

        What good is winning AL Central if it’s “hot garbage” and the goal is a championship?

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        • Vick.___

          6 years ago

          Bruhhh … as a fellow Braves fan you should know the answer to that.

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        • Avory

          6 years ago

          {chuckle} Hey, go easy on him; he’s a “Barves” {sic} fan.

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  26. LyricalAssassin

    6 years ago

    Comp pick going to Mariners too

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  27. manos

    6 years ago

    This is odd. Very odd. I guess Bauers is moving to the OF? Santana and Alonso 1B/DH?

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  28. indiansrck27

    6 years ago

    I dont get it from the Indians side. They cant afford Kluber and Bauer so they want to shed payroll but essentialy add an extra year of 20 million (assuming they were to buyout EE next year)?? They are going to regret trading Diaz, I really think he will be a great hitter.

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  29. sufferforsnakes

    6 years ago

    This makes no sense!!

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    • Michael Chaney

      6 years ago

      Bauers was a fairly high-ranked prospect a year ago, and my guess is that he’ll play the outfield. But adding more money to the ledger and trading Yandy (who I love, by the way) just doesn’t make sense.

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      • Samuel

        6 years ago

        @Michael Chaney;

        It makes sense in that with the $6m they got from the M’s, They dump EE around $20 and get Santana for $11.5m in 2019 – a short-term savings of $8.5m. Bauers and Diaz are pretty much a was. Of course, then the Indians are on the hook in 2020.

        Let’s see what other moves the Indians make. As explained in my post above, I can’t see the Indians getting anywhere in the post-season. And that pitching coach Willis has been sub-standard everywhere he’s been. He’s ruined the bullpen last year, next year he’ll widow in on the starters…..like a termite, he’ll slowly break down the foundation.

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    • ohiodevil 2

      6 years ago

      Indians get Bauers who will probably play LF and Santana platoons with Afonso at 1b/DH. Maybe they now think they have the OFs now to fill holes in OF and not trade Kluber or Bauer.

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    • hockeyjohn

      6 years ago

      I think it makes great sense for the Indians. I loved the deal. We get a higher rated prospect in Bauers with more power that is an outfielder and first baseman. We need outfielders and Bauers now becomes likely our best outfielder on our current roster. Santana is more useful and flexible on a roster than EE. was. The PTBNL is a minor league pitcher that is not in the Indians top 20 Cole Susor. I think this trade is a big win for the Indians. Diaz can hit for average, but is not good defensively with little power. I really don’t get the love for him.

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      • Polish Hammer

        6 years ago

        I agree 100%

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      • sufferforsnakes

        6 years ago

        Diaz is good at defense. Look up his stats.

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      • ntlee

        6 years ago

        I also agree with this. I’m having trouble rationalizing this from the Rays side. They must *really* like Diaz and/or be really down on Bauers. Then on top of it they threw in $5M.

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      • Samuel

        6 years ago

        “We need outfielders and Bauers now becomes likely our best outfielder on our current roster.”

        @hockeyjohn;

        And that’s the problem.

        The Indians should easily win the AL Central in 2019. Then they’ll get blown out in their 1st post-season series.

        The clock could begin to strike 12 as soon as 2020.

        To this point, Bauers is an under performing prospect. Maybe Tito gets something out of him by platooning as he has Tyler Naquin. But seriously…..

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        • hockeyjohn

          6 years ago

          Bauers is 23 with less than one year of experience. He has improved his power and stolen bases in the time in the minors. Give the kid a chance, Samuel.

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        • Samuel

          6 years ago

          The Rays did.

          They’re a patient organization.

          Bauers was the 76th ranked prospect a few years ago. Why would they trade him AND $6m for Diaz?

          The Rays FO is not dumb. They’re going for a playoff spot in 2019. I have the team beating out the Yankees this year – am factoring in Machado.

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        • hockeyjohn

          6 years ago

          The Indians organization Front Office also is not dumb Samuel. The Rays gave the kid a chance? He is 23 with a half of a season in the MLB. How is that giving him a chance? The reason that they traded him is that they have more prospects coming similar to Bauers. Bauers was in the top 100 prospects in baseball on MLB.com. Yandy Diaz never came close to sniffing this list. Diaz was asked to try the outfield and he did not want to. Bauers can play the outfield which we need badly and is described as a hard worker. I am very happy with this trade.

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      • Avory

        6 years ago

        I like the deal too, but don’t sleep on Yandy. If a team is willing to accept the rather unique line he’ll put up and play him every day, they’ll reap dividends. His insane exit velocity, albeit all on ground balls and line drives, will play well on turf. He’ll probably hit 40 doubles or more in Tampa, and put up an OBP of .400. That is useful any way you slice it, but you have to accept the limitations, which is likely to be about ten homers if he maintains the current launch angle. When he first came up he looked exactly like a young Rico Carty, and rifled the ball to right center the way the “Beeg Mon” was famous for. Maybe at 27 already Yandy won’t be much more than a poor man’s Rico Carty, but that could be good enough. Jake Bauer’s floor is definitely higher at this stage, but whose ceiling is higher is anyone’s guess. I can’t fault the Tribe at all for taking the younger guy who is more interested in refining the secondary aspects of his game (glovework and baserunning).

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    • #Fantasygeekland

      6 years ago

      Yes it does! Go Yankees!

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    • Indiansjoe

      6 years ago

      You get 2 years of Santana for 4 million more than 1 year of EE, and Bauers can play outfield as well as first…he is the best outfielder you get and not deal a starter. I like the deal, gives Kipnis the only position he has any value at back and if you deal a starter you maximize the return, takes the pressure off getting a specific player back

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  30. Michael Chaney

    6 years ago

    Santana has always been one of my favorite Indians and I like Jake Bauers, but I don’t get trading Yandy (who probably would have been the starter at third) and Edwin (who’s owed less money than Santana) for two first basemen, although Bauers could conceivably play left.

    I’m commenting this before all the details come out so there’s probably more going on, but on the surface I don’t get it. How is the money working? Who’s playing third base?

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    • hockeyjohn

      6 years ago

      Bauers can play of. That is where I see him playing.

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      • Michael Chaney

        6 years ago

        I’d have to imagine he is

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    • Indiansjoe

      6 years ago

      You get 2 years of Santana for 4 million more than 1 year of EE

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  31. timm-2

    6 years ago

    Who are the Indians OF’s and wasn’t Diaz their 3B?

    Makes me wonder if there is another deal coming with either Kluber or Bauer

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    • LeeJPC

      6 years ago

      If the Phillies are in any way in on a Kluber deal, Franco might be included. There’s the 3B you may be looking for (not as in “hey, awesome, we got Franco!” More in a “Welp, Franco’s now the third baseman” sort of way).

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    • antsmith7

      6 years ago

      J-Ram can always go back to third.

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  32. jakethesnizake

    6 years ago

    Why the hell would TB send Bauers ANYWHERE. Odd.

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    • antsmith7

      6 years ago

      Because they’re gonna get Jose Martinez or Cruz

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      • baseballprodigy

        6 years ago

        Probably going to be Martinez now but I’d rather see Cruz sign with us

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  33. Ben 20

    6 years ago

    Now even Jedi’s moves are driving other teams fans nuts, hahaha. I love it.

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  34. ReverieDays

    6 years ago

    Um. If it’s just Bauers for Diaz, why is that included in this post about EE for Santana?

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  35. joepanikatthedisco

    6 years ago

    Jerry’s the only GM who realizes the fun of trading is an asset in itself. Is Edwin better than Santana? Who cares… let’s make a deal!

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    • pinkerton

      6 years ago

      I like your username. Clever!

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      • joepanikatthedisco

        6 years ago

        I’ll bring home the turkey if ya bring home the bacon

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  36. kc38

    6 years ago

    Obviously rays have more moves coming. They plan to contend and they have more players than they know what to do with right now. This makes it clearly obvious more moves coming when 1B wasn’t even a need.

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  37. pinkerton

    6 years ago

    we don’t have the whole story yet here

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  38. antsmith7

    6 years ago

    If we’re going to bring in an old DH (EE), why not just re-sign the old DH you already have who’s better (Nellie)?

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    • jdgoat

      6 years ago

      Get Santana off the books?

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    • Ken M.

      6 years ago

      EE going to Tampa, not Seattle.

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      • BuddyBoy

        6 years ago

        Wrong

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        • Ry.the.Stunner

          6 years ago

          @kaehiaone – he’s not wrong. Apparently you haven’t been paying attention to ALL the rumors. Speculation is that EE will be flipped to the Rays in a separate deal.

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    • houkenflouken

      6 years ago

      Santana has 2 years, Edwin only has 1 year. We’re building towards 2020/21, so we want guys who can help then and less so for 2019. We also want to shed as much money for the 2020/21 seasons as possible, which is why this move was made.

      I doubt EE plays a game for the M’s

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  39. 24TheKid

    6 years ago

    Arenado signing with Seattle 2019 confirmed.

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    • bigdaddyhacks

      6 years ago

      Yep. All the money is already in the bank.

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  40. renegadescoach

    6 years ago

    So the Indians pick up two 1st basemen in this deal? Weird.

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    • sisseton

      6 years ago

      1B/DH

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    • ohiodevil 2

      6 years ago

      Bauers can play LF

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  41. beyou02215

    6 years ago

    Could this be a precursor to a deal involving Kluber/Bauer and Andujar? Just speculating.

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    • timm-2

      6 years ago

      IDK if I’m happy about or afraid of that.

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  42. waterdog

    6 years ago

    This would have been a perfect scenario for the Cards to distribute Gyrko and JMart around to American League teams and get some return…lots of moving parts and would have been fun to see a few more.

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    • baseballpun

      6 years ago

      Gyrko to Cleveland could make sense.

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  43. bigdaddyhacks

    6 years ago

    Bauer to Seattle would be ideal. Interesting

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  44. norcalguardiansfan

    6 years ago

    Cleveland, perhaps, has a deal in place for Alonso.

    Maybe the Dodgers wouldn’t take Kipnis in a Kluber or Bauers deal, but felt they could find a third team for Alonso – or they are just willing to take his salary. I can’t imagine LA would have a useful place for him on their final roster.

    Who will play 3b in Cleveland, this year?

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    • Brian Meyer

      6 years ago

      I’m gonna guess the same guy who started the all star game at 3rd last year. If another deal isnt made I see JRam at 3rd and Kip at 2nd. I think the club wants Ramirez at 2nd but it doesnt seem to be working out that way and Ramirez said he is fine playing 3rd as long as he stays there permanently instead of being used as a utility player.

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      • norcalguardiansfan

        6 years ago

        There was a story at Cleveland.com this week saying that the Indians had told Kipnis to plan to play in the outfield. All off season it has looked like they were moving Ramirez back to where he was comfortable – 2b. Perhaps they’ve decided they can’t trade Kipnis and are moving back to last year’s configuration.

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        • sufferforsnakes

          6 years ago

          Actually, they’d be moving back to the 2017 configuration.

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  45. mlb1225

    6 years ago

    Good, the Rays found that impact bat they need.

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  46. 55bums

    6 years ago

    This leaves the Indians open to the three team trade with the Reds and Dodgers that results in possibly Kluber, Bailey, Gennett and Iglesias going to Dodgers, Hill and Puig to Indians, and Kemp and Wood to Reds plus prospects

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    • indiansrck27

      6 years ago

      Are you on drugs?

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      • sufferforsnakes

        6 years ago

        Obviously.

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    • vtadave

      6 years ago

      Dodgers fan perhaps?

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    • Jason d r

      6 years ago

      I like Alex wood, but Matt Kemp is a no Iglesias and gennet are worth more than that.the reds definitely want to unload Bailey

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  47. aiden13

    6 years ago

    Got in. EE will be delt again

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  48. Dragz

    6 years ago

    Cleveland attendance dropped last year despite them making the playoffs. That is why they are trying to reduce payroll

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  49. swanhenge

    6 years ago

    Nightengale is the worst.

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  50. Boogaloo

    6 years ago

    Odd trade.

    Bauers was a good prospect but the indians are taking money back, which I thought was the opposite of their plan.

    Seattle gets a comp pick plus out from under a contract after this year which makes perfect sense for them.

    TB has McKay so bauers was expendible.

    Dont know much about the kid cleveland sent them.

    My guess is cleveland did this with another trade to follow.

    And does dipoto get a bonus every time he makes a trade with tampa?

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    • TheBoatmen

      6 years ago

      Bauers was playing OF. TB has Nate Lowe coming up before McKay who will probably be a pitcher anyways.

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  51. TheBoatmen

    6 years ago

    Why would the Rays take on Encarnation and block Nathan Lowe?

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    • TheBoatmen

      6 years ago

      Sorry about the spelling I should have just called him EE or E5.

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  52. SoxPow

    6 years ago

    I was getting worried, Jerry hadn’t made a trade in so long

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  53. Julio Franco's Birth Certificate

    6 years ago

    The only bad thing about this deal from Cleveland’s side is that by trading Yandy, that means J-Ram moves to 3rd and the washed up carcass of Jason Kipnis sticks around for another year at 2B.

    I like the idea of swapping Santana for EE, but having to give up Yandy as the price makes no sense, since Cleveland is taking on more dollars overall.

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    • MR

      6 years ago

      Bad Trade for the Indians, Yandy is going to be a good bat . Santana better defense at 1st base but why bring in more money, What did the Indians Save on?

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      • Brian Meyer

        6 years ago

        They saved in the short term, about 8 million this year. Long term they are up about 11 million. Santana due 17 million this year. Edwin due 25.

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      • Julio Franco's Birth Certificate

        6 years ago

        Not sure why they even involved the Rays in the deal to be honest. Confusing. I see that Cole Sulser went to TB – I like to think I follow the Indians and even their minor league teams fairly close, but never in my life have ever heard of Cole Sulser….lol. I even went to both RubberDucks and Clippers games the last few seasons.

        He does seem to have really nice numbers though, so maybe that’s what Tampa liked??

        Still really confused about the whole giving up Yandy part of this trade – seems like you could just make the trade with Seattle and keep Yandy.

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        • norcalguardiansfan

          6 years ago

          Cole Sulser was a bullpen piece for AAA Columbus. At certain points in his career, he has looked like he might make the majors. The Ray’s certainly see him as a project. Ya never know. Sometimes projects work.

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        • Brian Meyer

          6 years ago

          The team was frustrated with Yandy. Remember when Francona called out Francisco Mejia for not wanting to play the outfield? In that interview Francona brought up Yandy’s name as well. He was upset that the team was trying to turn him into an OF in AAA, and basically told them he didn’t want to move and had no interest playing anywhere but third. I’m sure the FO wasn’t thrilled with that. I always assumed thats why Yandy didnt get more of a chance this year. He was way more productive than Kipnis when he played.

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    • swanhenge

      6 years ago

      Kipnis is now an OF.

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  54. mmarinersfan

    6 years ago

    Yeah, Encarnacion is never playing a game for the Mariners.

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    • Julio Franco's Birth Certificate

      6 years ago

      Maybe Dipoto will trade him back to Cleveland, but only after bringing in Atlanta for a three-team swap which sees the M’s pick up Jason Kipnis and Yonder Alonso, with some random minor league guy going to Atlanta for no apparent reason, LOL

      I swear that the M’s front office just plays MLB The Show all day and once the computer accepts one of their trade proposals, they go do it in real life.

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    • giveemthecurve

      6 years ago

      The Mariners could keep him and deal him at the deadline if he’s healthy. They better be getting a better deal from TB than what they could get at the deadline if the second trade goes down.

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  55. mlb1225

    6 years ago

    Are the Rays acquiring anything from this three team deal besides Cole Sulser?

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    • Brian Meyer

      6 years ago

      Yeah man. Yandy Diaz. Actually pretty upset to see him go as an Indians fan. Read the trade article on Fangraphs when it comes out. I’m sure theyll have great analysis.

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      • sufferforsnakes

        6 years ago

        I’m not just upset that Yandy is being traded, I’m full out pissed off. This is Jesus Aguilar all over again.
        From this moment forth, I will believe everything to come out of Antonetti’s mouth to be a lie.

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        • Brian Meyer

          6 years ago

          I mentioned it above, but I’m pretty sure Yandy was in the doghouse with management. Bauers was a top prospect though. We didnt trade him for nothing.

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        • Burgeezy

          6 years ago

          At least we got something for Yandy instead of just dumping him like Aguilar.

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  56. sufferforsnakes

    6 years ago

    I now officially despise Cleveland’s front office.

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    • Julio Franco's Birth Certificate

      6 years ago

      Trading EE for Santana is actually not a terrible idea, but I have no idea how or why Tampa needed to be involved and why they needed to ship Yandy to Tampa for another AAAA 1B/DH-type guy.

      That’s the part that burns me, because it means the Indians just stuck themselves with Kipnis playing 2B for another year, because Jose has to slide back to 3rd. Kipnis is a trainwreck on an MLB field – you need to unload him anyway, anyhow and move Jose back to 2B.

      Unless another deal is on the horizon to dump Kip and have Yu Chang come up to play 2B. Then, I’m happy.

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      • sufferforsnakes

        6 years ago

        Chang would play 3B in that scenario.

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      • indiansfan44

        6 years ago

        After calming down about Diaz I think I managed to figure out where this trade came from. Seattle doesn’t care if the lose this year but wanted to clear up future payroll. Santana was only sent there because Philly wanted Hoskins at 1st and he offset the money in the deal. Taking EE saved the them 18 million next year by taking on 8 million this year and the draft pick is a bonus.

        For the Indians spreading the money over 2 years helps free up money to fill the bullpen holes and Santana covers 1st for 2 years at the same cost as paying Alonso and EE for 1 year. I strongly feel Alonso is gone before spring training even if it’s just a salary dump like Gomes. With Diaz I think it came down to them realizing they are stuck with Kipnis this year. They aren’t going to bench a guy making his money so you have to play him somewhere and even though he isn’t a very good defender he is probably better at 2nd and his offensive production is more in line there than a corner outfielder too. That left Diaz with no position unless he became a full time DH this year. The Indians value flexibility and I don’t see them carrying a full time DH anymore. It will be used like a lot of other teams do and rotate to give guys more rest from the field. With Chang right behind him and some saying he profiles better at 3rd it made Diaz expendable for a cost controlled younger outfielder with potential.

        The Rays might of got the best in this deal though looking at it. Diaz could easily be a .300 hitter over a full season is cheap and would be nice to have on for some of the power guys behind him. I haven’t heard much about Susler until today but based off what I’m seeing he sounds like a good candidate for the opener role they use.

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    • hockeyjohn

      6 years ago

      Bauers is a better prospect than Diaz that can play outfield. Bauers was #73 in MLB’s top 100 in 2016 and 2017. Diaz never made the top 100. I don’t get the hate. I like the deal.

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    • basquiat

      6 years ago

      What took you so long?

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  57. Norm Chouinard

    6 years ago

    So is it the Rays Competitive Balance pick at 35 or the Indians at 77 going to the M’s?

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    • sufferforsnakes

      6 years ago

      Indians.

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    • Brian Meyer

      6 years ago

      Indians

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    • Brian Meyer

      6 years ago

      Which really kinda ticks me off. Was it really necessary to add the comp pick in on top of taking all of Santana’s salary? Maybe Carlos has more value than I give him creddit for.

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      • bucketbrew35

        6 years ago

        They are getting $6 million in relief from the M’s for Santana’s salary and Encarnacion is also making about $1.5 million more than Santana this season. So essentially they are paying $14 million (after $7.5 million in savings) and change for Carlos this season (who can also play a decent first base) and adding a young OF/1B in Bauers instead of paying $21 million in change for Encarnacion who can’t play the field.

        Now as far as Santana’s salary goes for next year, I have no idea. But I have a feeling they made trade Alonso shortly.

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        • Brian Meyer

          6 years ago

          Yeah with the 6 million coming back to Cleveland it makes a lot more sense.

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        • BuddyBoy

          6 years ago

          I read the Ms were getting cash. Not the Indians

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  58. Julio Franco's Birth Certificate

    6 years ago

    Well now we’re getting more details — Cleveland also got $6 million in this trade, which is why they included Yandy. Seattle pays $1M of it and Tampa pays $5M.

    So basically, Cleveland just swapped EE for Santana and sold Yandy Diaz for $5 million. SMH. Dolan back to his cheap ways again, after faking everybody out for two years that he was actually trying to invest in building a winner…

    And apparently Dipoto can’t help himself and is trading EE to Tampa now in a totally separate deal??? Bizarre.

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    • Brian Meyer

      6 years ago

      Dude we got our starting LF too. Jake Bauers is a totally fair return for Yandy by himself. Adding on the 6 million is icing on the cake. I liked Yandy too, but thi is looking better for the Tribe.

      Now I’m not sure how Rays fans should feel. I should really stop commenting until all the details are final. More info keeps coming out.

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      • Jbigz12

        6 years ago

        I’m guessing Kipnis is staying in town now. Jose Ramirez stays at 3rd. Bauers goes to LF and Santana is your DH. They have 1/3 of an OF now. From Cleveland’s perspective I don’t hate the trade. From TB’s I do.

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  59. bobtillman

    6 years ago

    So TB is facilitating the deal by sending 6M to Seattle, to defray some of their cost….Bottom line for Rays fans, it’s Bauers and 5M for Diaz….Pretty fair. I know Rays fans think Bauers was the new Lou Gherig, but he really looked lousy in his debut. What was worse is that he apparently abandoned his contact-approach in exchange for launch angle theology. Not a good idea for his skill set.

    Diaz is a pretty good player, although I suspect this means Matt Duffy may be moving along. Slusser’s 27 and has passed through Rule 5 two times now…..i.e. a non prospect.

    Indians must see more in Bauers…he’s really 1B only, no arm for the OF. But considering the 6M, it makes sense.

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    • Jbigz12

      6 years ago

      Cleveland just traded a guy who is great. Great at hitting hard groundballs. Guy is almost 28 years old and has shown 0 power to date. He’s not all that much different than Matt Duffy. Bauers is a 23 year old coming off a rough rookie season. That doesn’t nullify all his potential. I don’t know why you’re so quick to give up on him. They desperately needed an Outfielder and I don’t think he’s nearly as bad defensively as you believe.

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  60. southbeachbully

    6 years ago

    Interesting from the Indians perspective.

    They swap EE for Santana which is about equal production and bring back a fan favorite. The difference annually is about $6 mil with the money they get from Seattle. They also get a power hitting prospect in OF/1B in Bauer’s who I guess they’ll stick in the OF?

    I think this is a predecessor to another deal. Can’t wait to see.

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  61. Brian Meyer

    6 years ago

    With this trade and the Gomes trade, Cleveland now has 21 million to spend this offseason that they didn’t have a few weeks ago. As long as they spend it im happy.

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    • Julio Franco's Birth Certificate

      6 years ago

      LOL. They aren’t spending it. Their #1 need was a corner OF and they acquired Bauers for that, rather than pony up for an Andrew McCutchen.

      #2 need is for high-leverage bullpen help. Do you think they are signing Ottovino, Kimbrel, Britton or Andrew Miller? Nope.

      #3 is for a starting catcher, because if you roll with Roberto Perez or their guy down in AAA, that spot is a giant black hole now.

      I’m sure they’ll re-up Oliver Perez, maybe Melky Cabrera, and if his market dries up to nothing, maybe Cody Allen. On top of that, either Kluber or Bauer are going to get given away.

      This really reminds me of the first horrible decade under Dolan (aka the Eric Wedge/Manny Acta years).

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      • Brian Meyer

        6 years ago

        Ya know, there is a chance that your right, but as a fellow Indians fan just relax and let this all play out. I have serious doubts that the Indians are trading Kluber for anything less than a premium package and I’m sure at least some of this money is going to be used to make a pretty nice addition to the team. Have some faith.

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      • Burgeezy

        6 years ago

        I’m glad they didn’t give McCutchen the contract he just got. It will be an albatross by year two.

        Also, defense and game calling are far more important than offense at the catcher position so Cleveland will be just fine with Perez and Haase.

        Chill bro

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        • Avory

          6 years ago

          Brian & Burgeezy (law firm?) for the win. Anyone who starts off complaining that the Dolans are cheap for not ponying up for McCutcheon is someone I don’t want handling a family’s checkbook, much less my ballclub.

          The Tribe knows what it is doing. Its front office is one of the most respected in baseball precisely because they make the most of what they have. They may (and do) make mistakes–all organizations miss here and there on talent evaluation–but no team performs better within its revenue parameters than Cleveland does.

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      • Jbigz12

        6 years ago

        The Indians need another outfielder. At least 1. They couldn’t pay top dollar to fill both slots in their outfield. I like this deal for them.

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  62. carlote

    6 years ago

    I still don’t know which team get which player

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  63. TennVol

    6 years ago

    Can MLBTR reset this whole trade info thing and start a new string with what the actual trade, not including EE, actually is? Then start a new string with what the EE trade actually is, which i assume is to Tampa?

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  64. oldhaus

    6 years ago

    It’s hard to see why Tampa, most cash poor team in MLB, traded away $5M to get Diaz. Bauers should have been enough.

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    • bobtillman

      6 years ago

      Bauers was definitely NOT enough for Diaz. Bauers always had a low ceiling anyway; in his wildest dreams, he’s Mitch Mooreland; and that’s only if everything works right. And his floor (“meh” MLB regular) really took a beating this year. And he showed in Durham (AAA) that he has neither the range or arm for the OF.

      There’s something there with Bauers, but he’s going to need a LOT of work. Diaz can be an integral piece on a contending team.

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      • Benjamin560

        6 years ago

        This reminds of when Seattle traded Tyler O’Neill for Marco Gonzalez. Omg! You’d of thought Jerry traded Mitch Haniger for a bag of balls. Bauers just happened to be a fan favorite.

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  65. oldhaus

    6 years ago

    Who’s giving up the comp balance pick, TB or Clev?

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    • norcalguardiansfan

      6 years ago

      Cleveland, apparently.

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  66. Aaron Sapoznik

    6 years ago

    Nothing stops Jerry Dipoto from making trades, not even a hospital stay. Have to wonder what he’s being treated for? Perhaps “Vertigo” with all those deals he’s made this offseason. MacPhisto really likes that one, “Uno, Dos, Tres, Catorce”!

    Btw-Kudos to Jeff Todd for his opening line that Dipito was “operating” from his hospital bed as well as Kirby Arnold’s tweet of “bedpan negotiation”!

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  67. Mystery Team

    6 years ago

    I guess the Rays are done with Jake Bauers. Wasn’t he just one of their top five prospects at the start of last season?

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  68. Ryan T.

    6 years ago

    Am I missing something here for TB? Did they just give up Bauers and 5mil for Yandy Diaz and a Rule 5 Pitcher? Seems a little steep. I know Bauers isnt a STUD by any means. Just seems excessive for a cash poor team.

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    • Ryan T.

      6 years ago

      and Diaz is 27. Outside of hitting 300 and drawing some walks, he hit a WHOPPING 5hr total last year in almost 500ab. Rule 5 Pitcher is 27 as well…… dont get this on TB’s end

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    • baseballpun

      6 years ago

      I don’t really know the players but from what I gather seems like Diaz > Bauers and has an extra year of control, so Rays paying $5 mil for that upgrade plus another reliever doesn’t seem too excessive. Unless they keep Yandy all the way through arbitration (which, if he ends up being good, he won’t, because they’re cheap), they might be saving some arbitration money relative to keeping Bauers.

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      • Ryan T.

        6 years ago

        Just find it hard to believe Diaz is going to start hitting hitting. His career high in HR for a season is 9!! and he is 27. Bauer has some pop in his bat and some speed at least. and is a few years younger

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        • baseballpun

          6 years ago

          Well Cleveland fans seem upset Diaz is gone so that might be a good sign for the Rays.

          Betting that Bauers was going to become expendable soon anyway, assuming Tampa is getting a big bat for 1B/DH.

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        • Polish Hammer

          6 years ago

          They’re not all upset seeing a guy that hits like a weak hitting middle infielder and no set position. Can’t play the OF and too weak of a bat for the corner infield. Built like Tarzan, hits like Jane…

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  69. Otto371

    6 years ago

    One thing i wish MLBTR would do is a summary at the top of articles involving trades, it would help a lot in my opinion.

    Cle: Santana, Bauers, etc…
    Sea: Encarnacion, pick(from CLE)etc…
    Rays: Diaz, etc…

    That sort of thing. I love seeing things visually like that.

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    • Ryan T.

      6 years ago

      Would be nice. Instead of deciphering the entire article

      Reply
    • baseballpun

      6 years ago

      Same here. There’s a typo in the article about the money going from TB to SEA, too, so I had to read it 3 times to figure out who was getting what.

      Reply
    • houkenflouken

      6 years ago

      That would be real cool

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    • Brian Meyer

      6 years ago

      I agree. Fangraphs typically starts there article this way.

      Reply
  70. davefig2

    6 years ago

    It must be hard to be a Rays fan,sign Morton one day,next day trade your first baseman,WHAT ARE THEY DOING………

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    • Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

      6 years ago

      Demonstrating just how devalued non elite 1Bs are. They haven’t been fearful of trading high K guys the past two offseasons. They must not have warmed to the change in approach. This move makes a whole lot of sense, especially if they 1) view Diaz as able to stick at 3rd 2)aren’t sold on Duffy. They possess a wide variety of hitters that are right there. It not as though it’s tough to find a platoon 1B.

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  71. juicemane

    6 years ago

    Jake Bauer, isn’t that the guy that the Padres were gonna regret trading??

    Carlos Santana? last year every said great signing. Phillies FO are so smart. But the Myers/Hosmer contract is bad, um sure. They ate $ to move him one year later,and they had Hoskins this whole time! lol

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    • baseballpun

      6 years ago

      Well the Santana deal was short enough that they were able to move it, which is one reason why it was a pretty decent signing in the first place. If he lived up to the salary they would’ve kept him. He didn’t and they moved him pretty easily.

      And the merits of the Santana contract have no real bearing on the Hosmer or Myers contract.

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      • juicemane

        6 years ago

        Its easy to move an overpaid player if you eat $, Hosmer will be making 13 mil in 2023 when he is the same age as Santana’s current age. A guy who put up the same WAR as Harper past 3 years, and making that salary at 32, let me know when that handicaps this team

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        • darkstar61

          6 years ago

          Hosmer was worth negative WAR last season – and you paid him 20 million.

          You’ll also pay that guy who was worth negative WAR in 2018 a 20 million salary in 2019 …and 2020 …and 2021 …and 2022

          That negative WAR player will finally cost you only 13 million in 2023 …and 2024 …and 2025

          All total, SD has promised 144 million to a guy who has done nothing but cost them production in the first 1/8th of its length.

          And you can’t even say 2018 was just a fluke year – he has been worth 0 to negative WAR every other year of his entire career.

          Lastly, where do you get the “same WAR as Harper past 3 years” stuff?

          Hosmer 2016-18 – 4.2 WAR
          Harper 2016-18 – 11.3 WAR

          11.3 =/= 4.2 …at all

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        • juicemane

          6 years ago

          You’re looking at Fangraps WAR, not WAR dumas. 2 different formulas. One was started by Bill James, the other some intern loser hack a couple of years ago. Nobody in the game uses this

          That is a crap formula, its also brand new! invented like 2 years ago.

          HOF baseball writer’s don’t use this at all. because its crap.

          Fangraphs writers are just a bunch of intern hacks doing grunt work, but use that WAR if it makes you feel better.

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    • darkstar61

      6 years ago

      I dont remember people saying that was that great of a signing. I remember people saying they overpaid – especially after everyone realized how cheap the market for 1B/COF types became

      Both (Santana and Hosmer) were bad deals – Phillies just signed the better player on the dramaticly better contract (with it being a player they didn’t need, very similar to the Padres and the Myers issue Hosmer created that they are now trying to fix)

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      • baseballpun

        6 years ago

        I do think the signing was praised as a statement that the Phils were returning to contention, and while I also think most people saw $20m/year as an overpay, the fact that it was a 3-year deal mitigated that.

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        • darkstar61

          6 years ago

          Okay, I will agree people thought it was a bold statement of “we’re here to compete” and some thought Santana might be a vet type that could help them do that. Plus, as you said, only 3 years. In that way the addition wasn’t considered the worst idea

          But the deal itself was also considered a bad one because of the money per season, and some were pointing out the Hoskins issue even then.

          So positive aspects on an otherwise bad deal – unlike the Padres one that gained nothing for SD

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        • bush1

          6 years ago

          Personally I thought the Philly Santana signing from day 1 was idiotic. So let’s move our best young player, whose clearly built and looks like a 1st baseman out of position (Hoskins)and make him uncomfortable. I think the position change definitely effected
          Hoskins slow start last year. It was clear 1st base was literally the only position they didn’t need and that’s what they went out of the way to sign. Lol. Just so dumb.

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    • Boogaloo

      6 years ago

      What does santana and bauers who is very young and still can turn into a good player have to do with the padres signing two guys to horrible contracts?

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  72. Ryan T.

    6 years ago

    Anyone have any thoughts on if the Rays went to ATL and said here is 5mil, Jake Bauers and maybe a low level prospect for Camargo? I feel like that would have grabbed ATL’s attention, and oh btw Camargo can actually do some run producing (unlike Diaz) AND play solid D

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    • Zach725

      6 years ago

      Braves would have immediately turned that down. Bauer’s, money, and a prospect isn’t worth what Camargo is to the braves.

      Reply
  73. jv32

    6 years ago

    I think moving Bauers was really stupid for the Rays. Had potential to make a good 1st baseman.

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    • Ryan T.

      6 years ago

      agree

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    • Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

      6 years ago

      Were the Rays really that enamored with Bauers? I’m not sure they were. I think it’s interesting to note he’s never posted an 800 ops in his professional career.

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  74. kreevich

    6 years ago

    This doesn’t sound like a 3-team swap to me. It’s rather two two-team deals. 1) Cleveland sends Encarncacion and a competitive balance pick to Seattle for Santana and $1 million 2) Diaz and Sulser go from Cleveland to Tampa for Bauers and $5 million. It just sounds sexier to say it’s a 3-team deal.

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    • Begamin

      6 years ago

      the $5M from TB went to SEA.
      Its a 3-team deal

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      • darkstar61

        6 years ago

        The 5 million went to Sea, then Sea sent 6 million to Cle.

        The TB money is headed to the Indians

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        • Begamin

          6 years ago

          So SEA’s deal is still not done without TB. Its a 3-team deal.

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        • darkstar61

          6 years ago

          You’re just not getting it

          There is no reason to call it a 3 team deal,

          Cle made a trade with TB

          Cle made a trade with Sea

          There is no movement of anything between TB and Sea other than the weird claiming that TB will give them 5 million they will then give to Cleveland.

          Why that money is oddly being funneled thru Seattle makes no sense, but the end results are Cleveland making two separate but related trades today – not a true 3-team deal

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        • Teator

          6 years ago

          They call it a 3 team trade because all 3 teams needed to agree to each of their deals to make any of the deals happen. If one team backed out of either exchange, nothing happens.

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        • Begamin

          6 years ago

          No, I get it just fine. Youre not getting it.

          If TB has to give money to SEA so that SEA can give enough money to CLE in order for CLE to agree to the terms that land TB two players, then its a three team trade. It doesnt matter what SEA does with the $5M TB gives them, but the fact that TB is giving SEA $5M so that SEA can give CLE $6M makes it a 3 team deal. If TB just gave $5M and Bauers straight to CLE then why would CLE accept just $1M from SEA in exchange for Carlos Santana? If that was the case they would simply demand $6M from SEA (totaling $11M) again since it would be a separate trade.

          It doesnt make it a “not a true 3-team deal” just because two teams put together money (SEA put up $1M and TB put up $5M) to make a transaction go through with a third team. Without TB chipping in $5M, the trade between CLE and SEA and the trade between doesnt happen on those terms. Theyre not just related trades, theyre trades that cannot happen without the other teams participation. TB is giving the financial flexibility to SEA so they can make their trade with CLE so that TB can then make their trade with CLE.

          Its a 3-team deal.

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  75. frankf

    6 years ago

    Man, I didn’t realize what a hot mess the Mariners were.

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  76. sufferforsnakes

    6 years ago

    With Yandy now gone, I need to choose a new favorite player on the Indians.

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  77. DarkSide830

    6 years ago

    Wow, Dipoto finally gets one right. Well played my good sir.

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  78. alexgordonbeckham

    6 years ago

    What’s the Indians lineup shaping up to be? Santana DH, Bauers in the OF, and keep Alonso at 1B?

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    • sufferforsnakes

      6 years ago

      Hopefully they trade Alonso.

      Reply
  79. Rosstradamus

    6 years ago

    I think I got it:

    CLEV-J.Bauers /C.Santana/get 6-mil from SEA(Santana 2-yr/35-mil contract down to 2-29, add solid hitting prospect)

    TB-Y.Diaz/C.Sulser/send 5-mil to SEA(Add more controllable/versatile player they like and fringy reliever)

    SEA-E.Encarnacion/#77 Draft Comp Pick B from CLEV/get 5-Mil from TB/Send 6-mil To CLEV(Essentially, swap 2-yrs/35-mil of Santana for 1-yr/25-mil of E5, shedding them about 10-mil overall, while adding a comp pick in 2019 Draft) Also expected to now Flip E5 for more payroll relief/prospects, possibly to this very same TB team!

    Weird Deal, but Makes Sense to me….I guess!!!

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  80. themaven

    6 years ago

    Bauers is a former top 100 prospect who made it to the majors at age 22,not a bad skill set to target in a deal..He’s a patient hitter with a good eye and decent pop.If he can play left field adequately that will be a major bonus

    Diaz is a right handed hitter who’s built like Mr. Universe and hits like a left handed pull hitter.He’s 5 years older than Bauers a decent enough fielder at third,but he can’t hit the ball in the air to save his life.Great hard hit percentage but but it’s all ground balls and line drives.He could be an OBP force or just mediocre depending on how he adjusts to big league pitching.

    Encarnacion is still a competent clean up hitter,but is a slugger in decline.Santana is a more versatile player and 4 years younger kind of a wash between the two.

    I like the trade for the Tribe and it’s OK for TB.Seattle’s happiness will depend on what they can get for EE on the trade market and what the 80th or so pick in the June draft yields.

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  81. AUTiger7222

    6 years ago

    The Rays were having a great offseason until they decided to do something really stupid and pay $5M to get rid of Jake Bauers. Makes not one lick of sense.

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  82. mattynokes

    6 years ago

    The Indians never seemed confident in handing Yandy the keys to 3B.. Plus he’s 27. It’d be much different if he were around 23-24. Then they basically swap Edwin for Santana while only being on the hook for a few million more and getting an additional year. With also getting Daniel Johnson from Washington, the Indians seem to be doubling down on youngsters panning out. For long-term success, this is the gamble they need to make.

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  83. bjupton100

    6 years ago

    The Rays will be making another trade and probably sign a left handed reliever.

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  84. YourDaddy

    6 years ago

    Santana’s deal includes $6.66 million in prorated signing bonus and a $500k buyout of 2021 unless Philadephia agreed to pay both of those in the trade. Since they didn’t announce that when the Segura trade was made, we have to assume it’s $42.16 million still owed to Santana, not $35 million.

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    • themaven

      6 years ago

      This isn’t the NFL, teams in MLB can chose how and when to pay signing bonuses for luxury tax purposes or other financial situations.Santana is coming to Cleveland with no bonus money attached to him,just 35 million in salary and 500,000 buyout.

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      • Roll

        6 years ago

        For luxury tax purposes, how does that play out for teams that send money. Does seattle take the hit for luxury tax or does cleveland?

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        • gmantacoma

          6 years ago

          Neither Seattle nor Cleveland will be anywhere near the luxury tax threshold, so no hits for anyone

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  85. bobtillman

    6 years ago

    There’s always aspects to trades that we know nothing about. Diaz has top-2O (in all of MLB) hard contact rate….the Rays like those guys (see Pham, Tommy).

    There might be a character issue with Bauers. Were they desperately seeking Diaz, or grabbing the best available package they could get for a problem child.

    Maybe they’re less enamored with Duffy, whose a good guy but offers nothing beyond some relatively decent OBP skills (no power, meh defense). Diaz is a low-cost alternative.

    Maybe the Tribe just, plain and simple, needed the money, in order to get Santana, who they , and their fans apparently love.

    Inevitably, when prospects flounder, especially on a team that sells “the future” ad naseum, as the Rays do, fans feel they got hosed when those prospects are traded.

    We just don’t know. In Bauers’ defense, he was always young for his classification, and performed adequately, even if that was the extent of it. Still the bottom line reads that the trade was fair.

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  86. adshadbolt

    6 years ago

    I like Baurs for the Indians, I think Seattle will flip encarnacion somewhere else. The Indians should try to trade Alonso idk where but he’s of no use to them.

    That should I think give them enough to go bring Brantley back at a reasonable rate because his market just doesn’t seem to be there besides the white socks and the braves? If they can scrape enough payroll together. I’m sure he would take less to go to cle over the white socks.

    The Indians also need bullpen help they need to target a couple guys Justin Wilson as a cheap rebound and Kelvin Herrera as another rebound both guys who will be on cheap short deals with a history of success.

    I also would like to see cle go after a guy like jake lamb from Arizona, since Ari is rebuilding and he only has a year left the could be a guy that’s had for no to much in terms of prospects and would slot in at third and probably the 6 hole in the line up nicely

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    • Goku the Knowledgable One

      6 years ago

      Good call on Alonso.

      Couple things..

      Bauers looks to be the starter in LF, for now.

      Alonso could’ve DH’d, but now they have options.

      Brantley is a double edged sword. If it’s between return and ChiSox, the winner could be the loser if the injuries keep piling up for MB.

      The highlight of the off-season is yet to come though.

      One or Kluber or Bauer could be dealt sooner than later.

      Keeping both for opening day makes no sense when they could solve LF/DH and the bullpen, while adding to the org in one swift move.

      Klubes to X
      Puig(salary dump/but useful DH on expiring deal), top prospects to CLE
      Mid-level prospect/cap relief to LAD

      Use extra money saved to bring Miller Time back.

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  87. stansfield123

    6 years ago

    Can we just skip trades involving the Mariners and the Rays? It’s getting tedious. Just write an article at the start of the season, listing where everyone on last season’s roster ended up, and who the 25 new guys are.

    And feel free to mention how clever each of their front offices are, for doing 100 trades to put together a team that has a 0.1% chance of getting to the playoffs. But do it once, not every one of those 100 times.

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  88. IndianaBob

    6 years ago

    Is it just me or did Cleveland win this trade. Getting Santana alone seems to make this a fair trade. Getting Bauer too seems to make them the clear winner.

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  89. cwhoswims

    6 years ago

    Santana worth 5.1 total WAR over the past two years. Encarnacion worth 4.7. Both DH types exclusively in the AL.

    So Seattle just spent $1 million on a 77th overall pick, if I read correctly. Not a bad move, by any means.

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