The Padres announced Thursday that they’ve bolstered their infield depth with the addition of veteran second baseman Ian Kinsler on a two-year contract with a club option for a third season. The BBI Sports Group client will reportedly take home an $8MM guarantee in the form of a $3.75MM salary in both 2019 and 2020, as well as a $500K buyout on a $3.5MM option for the 2021 season.
Kinsler, 36, is a known commodity for Padres GM A.J. Preller, who was an assistant GM with the Rangers during Kinsler’s tenure in Texas. Kinsler will bring to the San Diego organization one of the game’s premier defensive players, though his once-potent offense has tailed off in recent seasons. Since Kinsler’s debut in 2006, only six players in all of Major League Baseball have topped his mark of +118 Defensive Runs Saved. That’s not just a case of longevity, either, as Kinsler ranks fourth in DRS even over the past half decade and turned in a strong +10 DRS in 2018 alone. Ultimate Zone Rating has been similarly bullish on his defensive aptitude.
The 2018 campaign, however, saw Kinsler post a career-worst .240/.301/.380 batting line through 534 plate appearances between the Angels and Red Sox. His bat was only a bit below the league average with the Halos prior to the swap, though his production diminished greatly in 137 PAs with the Red Sox (.242/.294/.311). Overall, however, Kinsler’s premium defense and quality baserunning still led both Baseball-Reference and Fangraphs to peg him at a bit more than two wins above replacement. A move to the spacious Petco Park probably won’t help Kinsler’s offense, but his glove and speed give him a fairly high floor at what looks to be a palatable price point.
[Related: Updated San Diego Padres depth chart and Padres payroll outlook]
Kinsler steps onto a Padres roster that, since season’s end, has jettisoned both Cory Spangenberg and Carlos Asuaje. He could get the early bulk of the work at second base in the event that Luis Urias heads to Triple-A for further development or, as MLB.com’s AJ Cassavell suggests (via Twitter) should Urias open the year at shortstop. In somewhat contradictory fashion, though, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic tweets that the Friars still consider Urias their primary second baseman, adding that Kinsler could work at third base early in the year.
Suffice it to say, the organization may not yet have a defined role in mind for Kinsler, whose ultimate position is likely somewhat dependent on the moves that San Diego makes between now and Opening Day. The Padres do have one of the game’s best overall prospects in shortstop Fernando Tatis Jr., though once Tatis and Urias are both in the Majors, Kinsler could slide over to third base on a full-time basis or assume a utility role off the bench. In any event, it seems clear that Kinsler will be counted upon to appear at multiple positions over the life of his Padres tenure.
Kinsler’s addition further calls into question Jose Pirela’s role with the team, though it’s worth noting that the Friars have a full 40-man roster and will need to subtract someone in order to make the contract official. From a payroll standpoint, Kinsler should push the Padres to somewhere in the $83-84MM range for the coming season. The fact that there’s an option year on the deal suggests there’ll be a buyout, and therefore the annual salaries will both likely check in a bit south of $4MM. And the Padres only had about $60.5MM on the books for the 2020 season prior to adding Kinsler.
Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic first reported the agreement (via Twitter). MassLive.com’s Chris Cotillo reported the option value (Twitter link). Fancred’s Jon Heyman tweeted the annual breakdown of the deal.
Soldierofgod619
Umm what? I better not see Luis Urias name come up in any trade rumors.
Joe Kerr
unless they signed him to play third, that’s what I expect next.
kevro2139
you don’t trade 6 years of a 20 year old top prospect because you signed a 35(?) year old 2B.
RedRooster
Ah, you must be new here.
Kevro2139, meet AJ Preller.
justinept
You also don’t sign a 36 year old when you have a 20 year old top prospect who is ready to contribute at the same position….
Padres458
Urias to short.l for now. Maybe Tatis plays 3rd.
justinept
That seems to be the prevailing thought on Twitter. but why 2 years? Tatis will be ready long before Kinsler’s contract runs out. Why bother with a 2nd year?
bleacherbum
Hahahahaha great comeback Rooster.
So true, Urias is either moving to SS until Tatis Jr. is ready or he is being traded now.
It makes no sense to sign one of the best defensive second baseman of all time and ask him to play 3B.
Urias now be a piece who I think will be rumored now in connection to Realmuto and Syndergaard.
RedRooster
No, Kinsler does not make Urias expendable
csspackler
You know better.
bleacherbum
He does. He’s pretending. Trading Urias now works be soooooo Preller.
kevro2139
Which one of Preller’s prospects has he traded? We all know he traded a bunch away that first summer, all guys from the last front office…. but which one of his top prospects has he traded that would make this such a Preller move?
bleacherbum
He hasn’t had an opportunity to yet. But Enyel De Los Santos was a top 12 prospect he traded for a rental at SS during a rebuild. Care to explain why?
lowtalker1
He was acquired in a trade and was always expendable
bleacherbum
So you are basically saying that you gave up Benoit for free a few years ago and you don’t care. Cool?
Alicides Escobar could have been had on a 1 year deal for less than a million bucks last year and the Padres would have kept De Los Santos who was lights out for PHI last year in their system and will factor into their big league club’s plans this year.
Not to mention the Padres paid Galvis close to 6M last year, And lost the prospect in a season in which the whole universe knew we would lose close to 100 games if not more. Please tell me on what stratosphere that makes sense?
I’ll wait…..
kevro2139
Lets not pretend the #16 prospect of the padres in 2016, who is still not a top 100 overall prospect, and barely a top 10 prospect for the Phillies, is anywhere near comparable to Urias, the #27 overall prospect, and #1 2B prospect in the game by MLB.com.
RedRooster
He was acquired by Preller in a trade and he filled more of a need than Freddy Galvis
bleacherbum
My point is- the situation was miss managed. There was no need to trade for Galvis.
Alicides Escobar, our own Javy Guerra, bringing back Erick Aybar were all options that would have saved the Padres Freddy Galvis and his 6M along with De Los Santos.
Don’t protect Preller on that one.
Oh and the guy who advocated for Galvis and recommended him from their time in Philly the year prior
was brought over to be the hitting coach. Remember him? Where is he at now?
Don’t defend Preller, that was a bad move.
the kutch
Now, that’s funny!!
bleacherbum
Exactly. He should be in our bullpen right now. Galvis was a 162 game band-aid that was pretty expensive for what was provided.
Great defense is cool and all but when you’re losing 100 regardless, does it really matter? Javy Guerra could have done the same thing.
People don’t like honesty on here so let’s lie and sugar coat everything. Great trade by Preller!!!
the kutch
Not the comment I was commenting on.
RedRooster
It doesn’t matter if EDLS isn’t as good a prospect as Urias. Lower prospects have value too. Certainly more than one year of Galvis has to a rebuilding team like the Padres.
To say nothing of the morons who SWORE that Freddy Galvis would sign an extension and then mysteriously disappeared from this site once he made it to free agency.
kevro2139
Well, the point was you wouldn’t trade Urias just because you signed Kinsler…. and I asked which top prospects Preller has traded….that is where the comp came from. Bringing up EDLS as a “top” prospect is exactly my point… Preller hasn’t traded anyone of high value. We can argue whether or not Galvis was worth it, but no one is losing sleep over trading EDLS, at least not in the same way they would if we traded Urias.
SDHotDawg
Kevro …
Urias is not a Preller prospect. He was drafted before Preller took the job.
In some ways, that does make him expendable. Unlikely, I hope. But still … Preller.
YourDaddy
37 year old.
YourDaddy
Apparently you do when that 20-year-old can also play SS and your 19-year-old uber-prospect at shortstop is not expected in the majors until mid-June.
SDHotDawg
He won’t be 37 iuntil next June.
He’s 36.
YourDaddy
Meaning it’s his age 37 season. As far as baseball goes, he will be 37 next season.
SDHotDawg
You seriously trying to argue about somebody’s published birthday?
Whatever floats your boat.
juicemane
If EDLS is the only example, then he’s reaching
lowtalker1
You sound more and more like Ryan and Guerra is crappy trash
Benoit was trash
Eyes was whatever
RedRooster
Benoit had a 1.96 ERA for the Padres so how is that trash?
Soldierofgod619
Can he play third? Hes 36 and more expensive than Cory Spangenberg who was only estimated to make 2.1m in arbitration. I do see the upside of having an inexpensive Veteran mentor the young kids and show him how to be a succesful big leaguer.
bluejays12345
Agree 140% because that’s what they need in San Diego, along with Hosmer and I guess Will Myers are now the leaders in the clubhouse. But hey good on the Padres getting Kinsler
YourDaddy
Kinsler has exactly 3 games at 3B in his career.
YourDaddy
1 game, 2 innings in the majors. 2 games in the minors.
lowtalker1
I’m thinking short
NotForever2021
AJ has had two other legit 3B FA’s he could have gone after, and one other in a trade. I have a feeeling the trade possibilities are asking for some top 100 prosepcts of ours and he is holding out. Who’s going to be dropped from the 40 man roster
YourDaddy
AJ Cassavell, the Padres beat writer, said that the Padres will still bring a 3B on board.
SDHotDawg
Kinsler has played exactly 2 innings at third in his long and storied ML career.
This signing is odd. Some things to like, and some things not to like. Luis Urias? A Preller PR/ego deal?
This signing just doesn’t seem to move the needle.
kevro2139
Urias to SS, Tatis to 3b.
mrpadre19
More likely Urias to SS until Tatis is ready then back to 2b and Kinsler to the bench.
kevro2139
Right, or that.
bleacherbum
Yup, that. or Urias is traded for an Ace and Estuery Ruiz, Gabriel Arias, Owen Miller, Xavier Edwards can all factor into 2B discussions when Kinsler departs at the end of 20’.
RedRooster
Urias. Isn’t. Getting. TRADED!!!!!
bleacherbum
I hope not. I don’t want him to be.
WestCoastSoxFan
Who was the last good prospect the Padres developed, anyway? Jake Peavy? It’s hard to take this organization seriously.
RedRooster
Renfroe? Reyes? Lucchesi? Hedges?
Black&Gold
True, lol. That said, they do “develop” solid relief pitching for the most part. Hardly ever position players or starting pitching obviously, but that could attributed to trying to cheat other MLB organizations through withholding full medicals during trades. HA HA
WestCoastSoxFan
I wasn’t looking for a list of young guys on the current roster. How about a prospect that went on to be an all-star? I bet they produce less of those than just about any organization…DESPITE getting top picks every year. It makes no sense.
WestCoastSoxFan
They actually made a great trade for Anthony Rizzo once….promptly to trade him away for nothing. Ownership would have been better off letting this board act as GM rather than the fools they’ve actually had in charge.
nmc420theambassador
@WCsox
what constitutes “top picks” in your opinion? 3 top 3 picks since 04, and only 9 top 10 picks since 2000. i guess you could say they typically make poor picks with their top selections. here’s to hoping gore or quantrill snap that streak
also, do we get brownie points for “developing” gonzalez? drafted turner, and he became an all star. that counts for something, right?
WestCoastSoxFan
Yes, I’ll give you partial credit for Turner. I’m not trying to hate on the Padres. It would actually be nice to see them turn it around and compete after so much down time. I just view them as such a bumbling organization historically that I am skeptical.
RedRooster
Not nearly as bad as the Reds, Marlins, Orioles or Angels
chino31
No, Dave Winfield was the last one
bleacherbum
No. We will take full credit for Turner. He was promoted almost immediately as the Nats got him, he was ML ready. So stop being petty. He was developed in San Diego, as was Joe Ross, Zach Eflin and Jake Bauers.
Preller cleaned house when he got here and he wanted his own prospects.
SDHotDawg
How much development did Winfield get in the Padres minor league system??
nypadre66
None. He went straight from the U of Minnesota to the Padres. Back when it wasn’t that uncommon for kids to go straight from college to the bigs. The year before, Dave Roberts went from Oregon (I think) to starting at third for SD.
SDHotDawg
Exactly, nypadre66. That was my point.
I don’t think Dave Roberts (the 3rd baseman) went to the majors right away. He had some time in the minors. Played AAA in Hawaii.
mrpadre19
So let’s judge Preller and the current regime based on the past 45 years of inadequacy.
Sounds fair……
SDHotDawg
Actually, you’re right about Roberts. He did spend some time bouncing up and down, though. I remembered him from Hawaii.
WestCoastSoxFan
Not being petty. I gave you partial credit on Turner because he was traded away! The other guys you named all stink, too. You are only proving my point about the Padres inability to develop talent despite being a “lottery team” each and every year.
SDHotDawg
WestCoastSoxFan …
The jury is still out on those young guys that were listed. And Turner only played a couple of months in our system thanks to Preller.
At least you were gracious enough to avoid pointing out that this isn’t the first time we’ve had a highly ranked farm system.
WestCoastSoxFan
Let’s look at some great moments in Padres draft history, shall we?
2012-The Padres take Max Fried with the 7th pick. They passed on Corey Seager, Addison Russell, Mitch Haniger, Wacha, Stroman, Berríos and McCullers
2011-The Padres take Spangenberg with the 10th pick. The next pick? George Springer. The Pads also passed on José Fernández, Sonny Gray, JBJ, Trevor Story and Michael Fulmer.
2010-The Padres take the immortal Karsten Whitson with the #9 pick. Yasmani Grandal goes a few picks later. Then CHRIS SALE right after that. They also passed on Foltynewicz, Christian Yelich, Aaron Sanchez and Noah Syndergaard.
Are you getting the general sense of this? How do you get it wrong over and over and over? Shouldn’t they catch a break at some point?
YourDaddy
Kluber, Turner, Fried, Eflin, Mallex Smith, Gyorko, Wisler, Quackenbush, Mikolas, Forsythe, Brach, Sogard, Freese, Latos, Headley, Venable, Tomlin, Greene, Bartlett, and if you go back a few years before that you have Ozzie Smith.
YourDaddy
Would you like to see the list of guys the Red Sox didn’t take in 2012 just to sign Marrero and his negative career WAR? It’s not pretty. Or in 2013 when the Red Sox took Trey Ball at #7? How would Hunter Renfroe look smashing 40 HR a season over the Green Monster look in a Red Sox uniform. He went 13th to the Padres. At least Fried has a shot at being successful in the majors.
SDHotDawg
I’m a life-long Padres fan. It’s even worse than you made it seem, but you don’t need to rub it in.
We WILL be better. Someday.
WestCoastSoxFan
Kluber and Turner are obviously stars. Most of the rest of your list are average or roster-filler(Khalil Greene!). But Kluber and Turner did all their work on teams other than the Padres, too. That’s even worse.
WestCoastSoxFan
Ironically enough I think the Red Sox DID draft Hunter Renfroe out of high school? He just didn’t sign? Or maybe I am thinking of someone else.
I’m not going to defend some of their bad draft picks. They’ve made plenty of them. But they’ve had Some great draft picks: Mookie Betts, Benintendi, JBJ, Papelbon, Pedroia, Lester, Ellsbury, Buchholz, Nomar, Travis Shaw, Matt Barnes and more. You aren’t going to win this one, I’m afraid….
SDHotDawg
It wasn’t my list, actually.
Khalil Greene could have been a star, IMO. Unfortunately, he suffers (to this day) from a very serious anxiety disorder. He would allegedly injure himself to avoid the stress of ML baseball.
Other than Greene, I’m not even going to try and defend the indefensible. I KNOW how bad we’ve been. It stings and I’m tired of it.
WestCoastSoxFan
Padres probably would have looked OK with Kluber, Sale, Jose Fernandez, Verlander & Syndergaard in the rotation over the last several years.
WestCoastSoxFan
I don’t want to rub it in HotDawg. I feel your pain here and would like to see the Padres back near the top again. I love the city. I love the ballpark. I hope these kids pan out. I just have a hard time being optimistic when it comes to that franchise. Nothing personal, of course.
WestCoastSoxFan
You are right on Khalil Greene. He was on his way. Same with Matt Latos who was also a headcase. Chase Headley looked like he was going to be a star. I’m not sure how the Padres can be so unlucky all the time.
davidcoonce74
There have been a bunch, but yeah, they’ve drafted really poorly because of cost over the years. They have picked up guys from other orgs like Hoffman, etc. The Padres have always been hampered by owners’ unwillingness to spend on draft picks, which is how you end up with Matt Bush or Donavan Tate or Ray McDavid or….well, the list goes on and on. I think Preller is a great evaluator of talent, and he is fixing a lot of those things.
Here’s a list of Padres first-round draft picks. Lots and lots of busts.
2016 Cal Quantrill RHP Stanford 8
2016 Hudson Sanchez 3B Southlake (Texas) Carroll High 24
2016 Eric Lauer LHP Kent State 25
2014 Trea Turner SS NC State 13
2013 Hunter Renfroe RF Mississippi St. 13
2012 Max Fried LHP Harvard-Westlake H.S., Studio City,
2011 Cory Spangenberg 3B Indian River State College 10
2011 Joe Ross RHP Bishop O’Dowd High School 25
2010 Karsten Whitson RHP Chipley (Fla.) HS 9
2009 Donavan Tate OF Cartersville (Ga.) HS 3
2008 Allan Dykstra 1B Wake Forest 23
2007 Nick Schmidt LHP Arkansas 23
2006 Matthew Antonelli 3B Wake Forest 17
2005 Cesar Carrillo RHP Miami 18
2004 Matt Bush SS Mission Bay HS, El Cajon, CA 1
2003 Tim Stauffer RHP U. of Richmond 4
2002 Khalil Greene SS Clemson 13
2001 Jake Gautreau 3B Tulane U 14
2000 Mark Phillips LHP Hanover, PA 9
1999 Vince Faison OF Lyons, GA 20
1999 Gerik Baxter RHP Edmonds, WA 28
1999 Omar Ortiz RHP Texas-Pan Am U. 29
1998 Sean Burroughs 3B Long Beach, CA 9
1997 Kevin Nicholson SS Stetson U 27
1996 Matt Halloran SS Fredericksburg, VA 15
1995 Mark Davis C Malvern, PA 2
1994 Dustin Hermanson RHP Kent State U 3
1993 Derrek Lee 1B Granite Bay, CA 14
1991 Johns Hamilton RHP Georgia Southern U 8
1990 Robert Beckett LHP Austin, TX 25
1988 Andy Benes RHP U of Evansville 1
1987 Kevin Garner RHP-O U of Texas 10
1986 Thomas Howard OF Ball State U 11
1985 Joey Cora SS Vanderbilt U 23
1984 Shane Mack OF UCLA 11
1983 Ray Hayward LHP Oklahoma U 10
1982 Jimmy Jones RHP Dallas, TX 3
1981 Kevin McReynolds
SDHotDawg
The “cost” excuse is just that – an excuse. Have there been some? Sure. Matt Bush comes to mind. But they actually thought they could buy Whitson out of his college commitment, and fortunately, they couldn’t.
outinleftfield
From that list, the Padres have had a higher than average percentage of their first round picks make the majors. Average is 70.3% that make the majors. That list shows 82% that made it with 2 still possible in Quantrill and Potts/Sanchez. From 1969 to 2015 the Padres signed 71 1st round picks. 21 have not made the majors. That is 70.5% that made it. Most of those that didn’t make it, a total of 11, were from 1999-2001 and in 2007 when they had 6 picks and 5 missed. That was all Kevin Towers era. Since Hoyer’s first draft in 2010 through 2015, the Padres are 8/11 on first round picks. 72.7%. They seem very average when it comes to 1st round draft picks making it to the majors.
RedRooster
So they’ve been average to great on first rounders making it to the show. First rounders actually becoming impact players is a whole nother story.
SDHotDawg
That’s nice to know. But those lists are misleading – if a guy gets nothing more than a 3-day call up in September, those lists count him as “making the majors.” Even if he never makes a roster again.
RedRooster
That’s what I was getting at. Would have been better if outinleftfield pulled the stats on like, how many Padres 1st rounders retired with at least 6 years of Major League service time or are still playing and on pace to make it to that point or how many of them appeared in at least one All Star game.
WestCoastSoxFan
Exactly. That list is pretty ugly. Don’t tell me how “full of MLBers” it is. How many guys even have a career WAR over 10? 15?
I’ll spare judgement on the recent picks, but that is a sad 30 years of first round picks. Trea Turner is a star. Kevin McReynolds was pretty good. Shane Mack played for a while. Andy Benes was pretty good. Derrek Lee certainly had a solid career. But that’s just about it for 30+ years and it’s really unacceptable.
WestCoastSoxFan
I remember when Sean Burroughs was coming up. He was going to be a superstar. He had all the accolades.
RedRooster
Preller and co. have carried out 4 MLB drafts (and had no first rounder in 2015 thanks to James Shields). They aren’t responsible for what happened before then.
SDHotDawg
Unfortunately, you can’t separate the franchise from its GMs. It is what it is – history and reputation.
outinleftfield
They are what they are. They are every team’s average and the Padres average. The Padres are about what the average team does. As far as impact players, the MLB average for 1st round draft picks producing at least 1 season of 2.0+ WAR (MLB average WAR) is 21.7%. The Padres over that time period had 20 of 71 1st round picks do that well or 28.2%. They are doing a better than MLB average for producing average or better MLB players. If you want more than that, do your own research.
outinleftfield
The MLB average for 1st round draft picks putting up a 10WAR career is 10.3%. The Padres 1st round picks have produced 10+ career WAR 9 times out of 71 picks or 12.7%. Again they are above MLB average. You keep talking out your nether regions and your assumptions are wrong. If you had spent the time it took you to type your response in looking at what those draft picks were, you could have had the correct answer.
WestCoastSoxFan
Yeah, you have it right. The Padres are doing just great with their drafting and player development. I’m sold.
SDHotDawg
I’m not. Especially if a pseudo-stat like WAR is the benchmark.
RedRooster
@outinleftfield
“You keep talking out your nether regions and your assumptions are wrong.”
Well why didn’t you tell me you wanted an exchange on insults? I can do that too.
As for the rest, we’re taking your word that it’s true but it’s unsourced so you could just as easily have made it up. I admittedly didn’t exist for the first 20 years of the Padres’ existence so maybe they drafted better before I started actively following them but it has not been good in this century.
WestCoastSoxFan
Hey, the Padres’ first round picks make it to MLB more than other team’s first rounders, so turn that frown upside down Padres’ fans!
hiflew
Ignore the fact that 13 of the 47 “major league players” had a negative career WAR. And another 10 of those had less than 2 career WAR.
That being said, every team is like that. The problem with the Padres is that their big disappointments have been their really high picks. Donovan Tate taken at 43 is disappointing, but Donovan Tate at 3 is why the Padres are in last place a lot. Ben Davis in the 3rd round is fine, but Ben Davis at #2 overall is very disappointing. They have just flat out missed on way too many top 5 picks.
nypadre66
Roberts started with the Padres in 72 and got sent to AAA early in 1973, then came back after a month and had his best year ever. He then bounced up and down for the remainder of his career.
SDHotDawg
Yup, he just couldn’t seem to put it all together consistently. He followed up his 73 performance by hitting .167 in ’74. He ended up with a .239 career avg.
Love these “blasts from the past.”
outinleftfield
You are not sold, you are a condescending idiot. Get it right.
outinleftfield
So you are WestCoastSoxFan too? You need to make up your mind about your name on here. 1st it was WestCoastRyan and now its RedRooster AND WestCoastSoxFan. At least we know.
outinleftfield
The MLB average of 1st round draft picks having no MLB WAR because they never made it to the majors or negative WAR is 34.3%. 13 or 47 is 27.6%. The Padres were better than average and much better than the Orioles. The O’s swing and miss a ton.
RedRooster
What? This is the only name I’ve ever used on here and have been on here for like 5 years now. And you just admitted to being Pads Fans again. The only person who accuses everyone they dislike of being west coast ryan is him.
“You are not sold, you are a condescending idiot. Get it right.”
Have you looked in a mirror lately?
Soldierofgod619
I wouldnt move Tatis Jr to third until absolutely necessary and hes no guarantee to start the year with the club as he only has half a season of AA and is 19. Urias at shortstop and Kinsler/Garcia until Tatis is absolutely ready make sense the more i think about it. Just weird to DFA Spangenberg and sign a similar player who was really good but now is on the bad side of his 30s.
Ejemp2006
Kinsler is a lot like Brett Gardner, in that he insists on prepping and playing like a professional. The Padres just signed a coach/player to help usher in the next generation.
WestCoastSoxFan
He and Brett Gardner have something else in common, too: they both suck now.
SDHotDawg
Tatis won’t break camp with club. Unless Preller is totally irresponsibe, I can’t see them giving away a year of control on a top prospect for a few weeks of roster time.
RedRooster
I get the feeling they’ll at least keep Tatis in the minors long enough to gain control of his 2025 season but so far, with the exception of Hunter Renfroe, Preller and co. seem to have shied away from service time manipulation.
outinleftfield
2.8 WAR for Gardner. 2.4 WAR for Kinsler, MLB average is 2.0. If that is sucking, then every team needs more players that suck.
outinleftfield
Down votes for stats. LOL. Maybe I should just start making up stuff like Westcoastryan/soxfan/redrooster.
RedRooster
You get downvoted because whenever someone disagrees with you you throw out insults. And you make stuff up all the time and also downvote people and then crawl back into your little hole when you are called on it. At least have the balls to admit to it.
I only have one account. This one. It is enough.
outinleftfield
Again you are answering for WestCoastSoxFan. Now its a 100% certainty that both accounts are you Ryan.
RedRooster
No, I am answering for redrooster, because you used that name (mine) in your comment. Idk how you could possibly be so stupid as to not realize that.
My name still isn’t Ryan.
I see the two downvotes. Is the other one from your Pads Fans account? Why did you switch to commenting on this one? Banned? Posted too many lame comments and people stopped taking you seriously?
SDHotDawg
“You get downvoted because whenever somebody disagrees with you you throw out insults.”
The irony is precious.
RedRooster
What’s ironic is you switching to this account now that I’ve embarrassed the outinleftfield one to the maximum.
rrddbb44
Why make two players work at a new position?
disgruntledreader 2
SS is not a new position for Urias. It’s not his primary position, but he’s had plenty of exposure (and done well with it) at short.
YourDaddy
Urias to SS, Tatis to AAA until June is the most likely outcome. Urias won’t be traded.
twitter.com/AJCassavell/status/1073678993000259584
SDHotDawg
Cassavell goes on to quote “the team” as saying that Kinsler was added as a “proven vet to help guide the young guys.” An $8MM mentor?
When it comes to “veteran leadership,” I guess AJ Ellis wasn’t working out.
Again, this deal just doesn’t move the needle.
YourDaddy
Are you really dense enough to believe that the Padres were trying to “move the needle” by signing a 37 year old 2B when they have the best 2B prospect in baseball and the best SS prospect in baseball?
Even Padres fans are not that stupid.
SDHotDawg
Ryan’s back! And he’s got another handle! I guess “redrooster” got suspended again?
At any rate: Did I say they were trying to “move the needle?” No. In fact, I made no judgement whatsoever as to Preller’s intent. Calm down and learn to read.
RedRooster
See? Only Pads Fans accuses everyone who disagrees with him of being west coast ryan. Further proving that you two are one and the same. That and the “I’m right, everyone else is wrong” attitude.
I have only ever had one account. This one. It is enough.
SDHotDawg
Sure. Whatever you say. You can’t even do an alter right! LOL!
The question is, why would you feel the need on baseball discussion boards? You must have some really bad psych mojo.
Stop stalking me, you psycho.
RedRooster
Err… what? Look at the comment 3 comments above this one. It was YOU who requested my attention here. That’s not stalking, that’s replying.
WestCoastSoxFan
Not sure why you give a guy like Kinsler 2 years. He could have been had on a 1-year deal. He was pretty bad for the Red Sox at the end of last season and has now had 2 straight years below replacement level.
Black&Gold
Agreed, along with the umpires, Kinsler cost the BoSox a 4 Game Sweep in the WS with that asinine fielding throwing error. Silly contract, but good for Ian, he and his agent(s) duped a MLB team.
WestCoastSoxFan
Man…was he AWFUL for the Sox last year. That throwing error ruined Eovaldi’s chances for the win in that game and gave me nightmares even after the series was over.
SDHotDawg
Per MLB TV, it’s 2 years plus a team option for a third. Kinsler is 36 years old.
NotForever2021
PANIC is not the word Urias needs to polish his offense and get over his hamstring injuries two in last year.
shortytallz
Most meh signing ever.
BobSacamano
As a tigers fan..all I can say is to just give it time. Kinsler will become a fan favorite before you know it. Great signing for the Padres, low risk, low salary, high reward, and great mentor for the younger guys.
watson13
Waiting for all the instant champs from this signing comments.
WideWorldofSports
Instant champs
Weather Report of Atlanta
Assembly required.
SDHotDawg
Batteries Not Included.
tigers_fan_inatl
Well deserved! Was a great Tiger and glad he got his ring with BOS and now this contract! Is he fringe HoF? Better than Lou Whitaker?
hiflew
Not HOF unless he goes on a late career hot streak. Although maybe Rangers team HOF.
Michael Birks
I agree 100% hitflew, Second baseman and the Hall of Fame don’t see in to mix, Only the truly elite make it….He was not an elite player for long enough, if Jeff Kent is not in the hall, Kinsler and even Pedroia won’t sniff Cooperstown
Michael Birks
All three are in the hall of extremely good though
bdallen714
Not better then Lou Whitaker, no. Highly doubt he reaches HOF either
restingmitchface
Well, Harold Baines is now a HOFer, so pretty much anyone with a decent career could be considered a ‘fringe HOFer’.
justinept
Lets assume that the committee is made up of a dozen guys who managed or played with Kinsler. at that point, hes a lock.
WestCoastSoxFan
This is the sad truth. Fred McGriff, Galarraga, Carlos Delgado, Mattingly, Dale Murphy, Dave Parker, Whitaker, Dwight Evans and many more were ALL better than Baines.
Lefty Grove’s right hand
McGriff and Whitaker for sure should be in the Hall!
heater
Baines was voted in by his peers. Which to me if they think he’s worthy then he must be worthy. This coming from a non-Baines believer. Kinsler will not get in by either means.
WestCoastSoxFan
Nope. Whitaker had a career WAR over 75. He should have made the HOF ahead of Trammell.
Deke
@Padre fans,,, How does this impact the infield mix? I thought maybe I saw that SD might sign Tulo to play 2B? but wasn’t sure if I misread that or even if Tulo would want to play 2B?
bastros88
I’m not entirely sure he’s even healthy enough to play next season
bleacherbum
It impacts the mix. How much is yet to be seen. This looks like the pre-cursor of a bigger trade looming.
csspackler
Urias starts at shortstop, Kinsler at 2nd. Tatis may take half, maybe even a full season before his MLB debut. When he does, Kinsler takes the utility role, PH, etc.
I believe a third baseman is coming (I’ve suspected they could get Franco tomorrow, but they’re also looking elsewhere).
I seriously doubt Urias will be moved.
It really isn’t that complicated.
Injediwetrust
golf clap…
sdpadsfan11
What’s spackalackin?!! This is cruisinSD. I also think that this move means that the Padres are out on Marwin Gonzalez.
RedRooster
Wtf, why?
Deke
@redrooster. They would get him for league minimum, which means he has a huge upside at low risk, really all he’s going to cost a team is a roster spot.
Given that he’s often been injured he might be more durable as a part time player. I’m not a huge fan of Tulo but he’s always been an outstanding player when he’s on the field and for league minimum I’d have that guy on my team in a heartbeat.
bkbkbk
Always be remembered as an Angel.
xabial
Here is a challenge question: Is Ian Kinsler a HOFer?
World Series champion,
Gold 2017 Baseball Baseball Classic Team USA
He’ll reach 2,000 hits this season, 1,000 RBI, 250 homers
restingmitchface
“Yes!”
-Harold Baines
Ironman_4life
Only if he was a yankee
Lefty Grove’s right hand
Or a Red Sox. There are too many voters who are bias.
Black&Gold
Don’t bring the best MLB franchise of the 21st Century into it, kunt-ry. The bias for new yawk TRUMPS every other MLB team. FACT. Not a Boston thing.
its_happening
If Kinsler is a Hall of Famer, Jeff Kent is a Hall of Famer. Although the voters dislike Kent personally so who knows….
WestCoastSoxFan
Kent should be in. Kinsler not even close.
padreforlife
Kent agree agree should be in
SDHotDawg
Kinsler – no.
I’m still trying to wrap my head around Harold Baines and Lee Smith getting in. Just when I was getting over Jack Morris’ successful PR campaign …
its_happening
SDHot – Baines induction is a FU to the writers messing around with guys like Kent. Writers are voting based on personal views (Kent, Schilling, Albert Belle), and now they will be forced to do a better job because of the Baines induction.
ishkabibble
Kinsler’s a shoe in for The Hall of Very Good….along with Lance Berkman and numerous others.
nymetsking
Say wha?
kiddhoff
Its ‘only’ $4mil AAV. Great business move. Mentorship and name recognition are almost worth that.
RedRooster
A little surprised he agreed to this. Everything I heard indicated that he wants to play for a contender.
scuba17
Seriously, Cubbies, what are you doing? I know they are up against it financially, but they could have signed him for the same amount they are giving Russell. And it would give them a leadoff hitter too.
Phillies2017
On one hand, it’s not a lot of money, relatively speaking. That being said, though, 2-years with a club option for a 36-year old coming off of a career worst season? Unless the goal is to use him in a part time role as time goes by, or to flip him for a prospect or two, I don’t necessarily understand the logic here.
I can’t see him playing more than 15o games over the next two seasons. I’m interested to hear the breakdown of the deal.
its_happening
I assume leadership is what he’s being paid for. On the surface you are right; a two year deal to a guy breaking down seems like a reach. However, guys like him can squeeze some decent playing time if used properly. Have him play against lefties and pinch hit against lefty specialists.
sdfriarfan
waste of 8 mil. Kinsler won’t be a leader on this team. IMO
NotForever2021
His veteran presence for the rooks and Preller can always spin him come July for a team in need if Urias and Tatis are playing some good baseball
madmanTX
Ian Kinsler would look about right wearing those old horrible brown and yellow Padres jerseys. I just hope he doesn’t bring down their clubhouse like he did in Arlington with his selfishness.
BrewCrew1302
wanted my Brewers to overpay him for a one year contract, looks like he wanted 2 though.
Dorothy_Mantooth
He looked overmatched at the plate with the Red Sox last year. Not sure how much he has left in the tank. Great guy in the clubhouse and will be a positive influence on a young Padres team. All in all a good deal for both parties; just hope he can find the fountain of youth at the plate.
Black&Gold
Therefore it makes perfect sense for Ian to head to the weak/inferior NL as such, lol. His bat and fielding, regardless of “strong” throwing arm, leave a lot to be desired at this point in his career, but at least, in spite of him and the umpires in Game 4 of the WS, he has a WS Ring. hahaha
southpaw2153
Good signing…..if it was 2011. Lol
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
This a great move. The young ones need some formal and informal mentoring and Kinsler seems a good guy to take on that role. And he can experience the twilight of his career as a contributing factor to getting the Padres into some kind of perennial playoff team (if all the expectations fall into place). He knows his at bats will dwindle over the next couple of years and seems to be quite accepting of this, accepting of the new chapter in his playing career.. It wouldn’t shock me if management talked about getting him involved after his playing days are done.
nmc420theambassador
fan of this signing. extremely doubtful he plays any 3B, considering he’s played all of 2 total innings in his entire MLB career at the position, but i still rate this anyways.
now just sh it can pirela so we can all be happy
sdfriarfan
I think Pirela’s BA will be higher than Kinsler. Just my opinion.
RedRooster
Wouldn’t doubt that but at least Ian can play defense and has a much higher baseball IQ
csspackler
A tomato has a higher baseball IQ than Pirela.
RedRooster
#gotheeeeeeeeeeeem
tannedt
And almost as much range.
nmc420theambassador
ehhh, that’s even kind of splitting hairs. i thought kinsler did way worse than his .240 average the way everyone is ragging on his hitting nowadays. but yeah, if it’s between kinsler’s .240 and pirela’s .249, i’m always taking kinsler because pirela is just the worst. at least kinsler still nabbed a GG last season
Padres r knocking on the door
Pirela turned so many routine double plays into no outs, and his baserunning was atrocious.
YourDaddy
It just won’t be for the Padres. They have to clear a spot on the 40 man roster before they officially announce signing Kinsler. Pirela would seem to be the odd man out. Either him or Garcia.
RATTY
I like this addition…what’s next Rockstar GM…Go Baby Pads!
YourDaddy
Sign Moose to a 2 year deal? What did MLBTR project that Moustakas would get? 2/16 I think.
Wolverines2
I feel like this makes some sense. It’s a modest price to pay to bring in a utility player who can also provide leadership and mentorship. Someone who can show the young guys his ring and model a hard-nosed style of play (even at the big league level). Clearly his best days are way behind, but he provides some things that Spangenberg did not, and he is not in the way of Urias and Tatis. Probably more likely Urias plays SS until Tatis arrives than either of these guys playing 3rd. I think they will still bring in someone else to man the hot corner on a similar contract in terms of length. I would guess they are checking on Moustakas but probably not interested in a commitment that is too much or too long…just thoughts.
He was traded thata way.
Plz be the end of the pirela era.
nmc420theambassador
might need to create a kickstarter or gofundme to collect to amount it would cost to buy pirela out of his contract
or preller could just do us a solid and make it easier on all of us by axing the jabroni like he should have done at any point last season
SDHotDawg
Well, ambassador, the first thing that would have to happen would be for Preller to suddenly show some baseball sense at the major league level. I don’t see that happening anytime soon, based on his track record.
RedRooster
Should be but I’m thinking it’ll be someone else. Padres is madly in love with Pirela for reasons I will never understand.
bbatardo
I like the signing solely for the reason it may mean Pirela is probably done lol
RedRooster
Padres FO* is madly in love with Pirela
cheesesteak
All the other teams folded when that third-year option went on the table.
Wolverines2
it is a team option…
cheesesteak
It was a joke. The second year probably wasn’t necessary.
CNichols
Everything I’m seeing from beat writers on Twitter is indicating that this means Urias goes to SS, Kinsler plays the first half at 2B and when Tatis is ready he goes to SS, Urias goes to 2B and Kinsler basically becomes a utility infielder.
If that’s the plan, I like it. If this is the Pads new 3B this move is tough. They need to get a legit 3B if they want to make strides this year.
NotForever2021
Maybe by this signing a verteran 3B will step up and sign a 2 yr deal your right though Kinsler is not the power guy for 3B. I don’t see Tatis Jr. playing more than maybe 40 games this year in the Bigs and only after he can hit for average in EP.
Wolverines2
Moustakas would be a good fit on a 2 year contract. Yes, the description of how Kinsler would be used makes sense to me.
bleacherbum
I hope that’s what they do. That plan makes sense
SDHotDawg
I like the idea of Moose for two years. It would be a good common sense move for the Padres, especially with our gaping hole at third.
IMO, it makes a lot more sense than signing Richards and Kinsler. It would actually improve the team now.
outinleftfield
Your team hit .232 and played below average defense at 2B. Kinsler is an improvement. fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=2b&stats=bat…
RedRooster
“His team” is your team as you are him on a different account.
Kwflanne
AJ Preller again proving he can build a farm system…. but has NO clue how to construct a major league roster. Terrible signing
csspackler
Why?
Kwflanne
Plays second base. Luis Urias…. second base. Injury prone. Not an option at short or third, never played those positions before. As we have seen with the Myers experiment, you can’t just say “oh he’s an athlete… he can play center field (wrong) or corner outfield (wrong)…. or third base (wrong). That’s a good sized contract for a player who does not address a team need. That’s why. I know you love Preller…. but this signing and the Richards signing were both bad….. as were the shields contract, Myers contract, and (so far) the hosmer contract….. that’s why.
Wolverines2
I don’t see Kinsler playing a lot of 3rd base either, but to compare him to Myers is kind of silly. An outfielder, turned first baseman versus a truly outstanding INFIELDER – results would be different. Kinsler could handle 3rd base just fine in my opinion if they needed him to. The issue is that that’s a pretty weak bat to play at 3rd consistently.
CNichols
Urias also plays SS though so this doesn’t seem like a throw him out there at a position he’s never played before and see what happens type move. I get what you’re saying if Kinsler was supposed to be the everyday SS or 3B, but that doesn’t seem to be what this is.
He’s such a good defender and baserunner he would have led the Pads in fWAR last year despite a down year at the plate. There’s value to using him in a limited role at 4+AAV a year.
csspackler
The explanation has been given. Kinsler plays second, Urias ss until Tatis is ready. That can take some time. Kinsler is still a fine second baseman defensively. They can wait on Tatis. When he arrives, Kinsler becomes a utility guy. Lot cheaper than Marwin, a lot better than Spangenberg, Asuaje and Pirela.
Good sized contract? Really?
SDHotDawg
Some people think Tatis is the one player that will miraculously make the Padres a 100-win team.
Let’s be realistic. We don’t have a clue how good he will be, or even when.
NotForever2021
Kinsler will hopefully play 3B and or 2B until Urias can show he can hit over .210. Besides urias is having a recurring hamstring problem, not good. Tatis Jr. at 19 will be ready come July of 2019 once he proves he can hit at least .280 at AAA.
I guess Glavis is not a go since he wants two or three years and that doesn’t fit with Tatis at SS. Let’s not panic on this signing FA for the $4M per year he’s a bargin if he can still walk and carry his glove in this crazy market of over paying. for average players.
Wolverines2
Not real worried about their batting average, but whether they can get on base and play defense will be important things to figure out. Kinsler should be at 2nd base while Urias covers short…then becomes utility guy/cheerleader/pinch hitter.
Padres2019ha
I like the signing. But.cant.play.ss.
eduardoaraisa98
Urias can
Padres2019ha
Myers can also play CF and 3B
eduardoaraisa98
The difference is that Myers only has 325.2 innings played at third and 352 innings at center. Myers has no experience and is terrible defensively on those positions. Unlike Urias that has 1,125.2 innings at shortstop and is actually decent enough to cover the hole until Tatis is promoted. Don’t compare apples to oranges
SDHotDawg
Myers can NOT play third base.
HaloShane
Good for Ian. Dude was to good of a ball player to be on the Angels. Best of luck in SD.
Yelsnit
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!
Lefty Grove’s right hand
I’m glad the A’s did not sign him.
NotForever2021
were glad the A’s did not sign him to, Go Friars
619bird
No juicemain comments about his defense and clubhouse presence.
Is this some sort of platoon with Greg Garcia in the works?
sdfriarfan
right? I forgot about Garcia. I don’t understand this signing. Taking away playing time from our younger players doesn’t seem to help.
SanDiegoTom
Having another World Series champion in the clubhouse isn’t the end of the world, relax. These kids need mentors
SDHotDawg
What these kids need is to prove they can hit, run, throw, pitch, and play defense in the Major Leagues.
bobtillman
Aw c’mon, everybody…Ian Kinsler’s a “play-ah”……top shelf guy too….the price is out of whack, but he’s a good guy to have around……
sdfriarfan
Let”s take a step back and think. Who is in the farm system who could conceivably take 2nd base in 2 years if Urias were to be part of a blockbuster deal? Is there somebody two years away?
astros_fan_84
2nd is the most flooded position in the game. Not an issue.
sdfriarfan
I’m talking about the Padres organization, not in the MLB. Kinsler’s price is relatively cheap. He and Garcia would be stop gaps if the system has another piece to take their place in 2 years or so.
Padres2019ha
E Ruiz is 19, Arias, Almanzar are young as well who can clearly play 2b. 2b is the easiest to fill. However I wouldnt think trading Urias would be a good business move with his Mexican heritage attracting more fans.
sdfriarfan
Urias is from southern SD county so that may be true.
csspackler
No, Urias is from Sonora, Mexico.
Bringbacktheblue
Padres already tried to attract Mexican fans. It’s too late, there all Dodger fans.
Padres2019ha
Haha doyers guey!
nypadre66
Almanzar? Has he broken the .200 mark in rookie ball yet? And Ruiz came down to earth last year and hit about two=thirds his first year average. They’re a long way away from the bigs. Spangenberg hit like Sandberg at that level.
bleacherbum
Xavier Edwards won’t stick at SS and will be a 2B we he nears the big leagues.
Padres2019ha
That’s very true. That kid can play too
astros_fan_84
Makes sense. He gives them everything that Hosmer does, except that he’s 136M cheaper.
Seriously though, I think he’s their Chase Utley.
Bringbacktheblue
Finally someone who doesn’t troll or hate on the Padres. Respect to you.
Eat'EmUpTigers
2 years?? Am I left to assume this was the only team willing to go 2 years on Ian?
Asking for a friend,
sdfriarfan
Here’s your explanation on the signing:
mlb.com/padres/news/ian-kinsler-signs-with-padres/…
YourDaddy
Preller playing fantasy baseball again. “Hey, they are baseball players. They can play anywhere on the field.” It don’t work that way AJ.
bravesfan
Hahaha so true!
bravesfan
What is the Padres strategy? Do they think they can compete? Are they rebuilding? Why is it every year it seems like they flip flop on the path they are gonna take
Padres2019ha
2/8. Doesn’t seem like a signing that would question any kind of philosophy. Cheap Veterans are a need on any team
csspackler
Spot on.
NotForever2021
bravesfan, every team who is rebuilding when they come to the year of time to make it happen at least to .500 acquire veterans for many reasons. Should not be a question there not flip flopping just doing what all the other teams do in this part of the rebuilding stage.
Goose
It’s a good move for the Padres. Cheap production and leadership for the kids coming up. A little surprised no contender went after Kinsler for that price.
carlosrosette76
Good Sign AJ Preller SD Padres GM… We need now to Sing 3B Mike Moosetakas, Sing Bryce Harper , trade Reyes , Pinela ,Hedges and Minor league Pitcher for the Mets Thor and now we are Talking Padres SD Baseball. Put Tatis at SS. and right now Urias Backup to Kinsler.. Your Line Up will be : 1) Margot CF , 2) Will Myers LF, 3) Hosmer 1B, 4) Bryce Harper RF, 5) Mike Moostakas 6 ) Ian Kinsler 2b , 7 ) C Mejia 8) Tatis. 9) Ace pitcher Thor. trade Hunter Renfroe. Minor Leaguer to the Indians for SP Travor Bauer. you got F. Cordero back up Outfielder and Travis Jankowski. Now you don’t Trade Tatis , Urias, Padack , Quantrill and more of your youth… Now That is a big MLB line UP …
NotForever2021
Wow in that line up for 2019 three rooks will not be ready for the Bigs, sorry to disapoint you. Thor is not coning here for those three players no way, Margot is a big gamble unproven, Hedges is below average offensively and Reyes is considered average and on the DL but its nice to dream, nothing wrong with that.
tannedt
That lineup has 1 above average MLer, Harper.
kdub53
The Padres LOVE former Angels!
Ryan W
They never do seem to work out though. Jared Weaver, Alexi Amarista…
kdub53
And now Garret richards,the man made of glass and a 5 month angel in kinsler. They can have em all! Free.99!
Paul Kersey
This is a rotten signing by the Padres, who consistently make poor decisions in Free Agency. But hey at least they won’t have to pay $20 mil a year for him like they do for the other piece on the left side of their IF. That Hosmer signing was downright putrid.
Bringbacktheblue
Does this mean Jose Pirela is headed to japan?
bleacherbum
I hope. I will drive him there personally myself.
simschifan
Wow, didn’t see that happening
bleacherbum
Now to finish this offseason Preller:
Sign Gio Gonzalez and Drew Pomeranz, let’s think outside the box.
Gio Gonzalez is signed to an agency based out of San Diego, and a good friend of mine works for them. The Aguirre brothers have been telling me for years when Gio is a free agent watch out for San Diego. Take that for what it’s worth. He would be the defacto- Ace to begin the season. Don’t over pay for Gray. 3 year, 32.75 MM for Gio.
Pomeranz returns to Balsley, 2 year 14 million.
That’s a filthy all lefty rotation that could be unique. Idk about you but I wouldn’t be comfortable coming down to San Diego for a 3 game set having to see Gio, Pomeranz and Lucchessi. Those are 3 uncomfortable lefty’s with big curveballs who give LHH fits.
Then you go Lauer #4 Strahm or Richard #5
Teams would literally have to restructure their rosters prior to playing San Diego if they had this much Left Handed pitching at their disposal. That’s not including Erlin, Wieck and Castillo out of the pen with Logan Allen looming at AAA.
Just a thought?
Myers looks like he is staying. But adding a LHH third baseman makes a lot of sense. Moustakas might be a little too expensive after my spending example on pitching. If money is left I’d go there. Before entertaining a Seager/Myers swap.
Profar makes sense if Daniels can become realistic and lowers his asking price. Padres have young pitching for Texas outside the group I mentioned.
3B/UTL Jurickson Profar for SP Jacob Nix, RP Pedro Avila and SP Brett Kennedy.
Profar becomes San Diego’s poor man version of Marwin. Covers 3B against a tough right to give Myers a day if he stays. He can play SS, 2B, 1B, LF. Gives the Padres a lot to like for 2 more years.
That pitching surplus helps Texas now. All 3 of those guys would figure in the 19’ plans to some extent. Nix in the back end of rotation, Avila in the bullpen and Kennedy in either or.
LF – Renfroe/Cordero/Jankowski
CF- Margot/Cordero/Jankowski
RF- Reyes/Cordero/Jankowski
1B – Hosmer/Profar
2B – Kinsler/G.Garcia/Profar
SS – Urias/G.Garcia/Profar
3B – Myers?/ G.Garcia/Profar
C – Hedges/Mejia/Allen
Sign a veteran reliever we can rehabilitate as usual, Herrera, Holland, Boxberger, Justin Wilson etc. and call it an offseason.
Ryan W
Myers’ experiment at third is done though.
RedRooster
Why trade those guys for Profar when they can sign him for nothing but $ in 2 years?
YourDaddy
Because that is in 2 years. Pretty obvious the Padres FO is not waiting for 2021.
RedRooster
2021 is the year. Everyone they trade for needs to either be a buy-low candidate or controlled through 2021.
tjdonn2
2021? The start of the rebuild was focusing on 2019 as the year we would compete for the play-offs, then it gets pushed back to 2020. Now youre talkin bout 2021? Before we know it we’ll be looking torwards 2030.
outinleftfield
That begs the question why are they so hot on Realmuto who has 2 years of control and why did they sign Kinsler if they are shooting at 2021? Both will be gone then. It seems more like the Padres are looking to be a winning team in 2019. Maybe not win the NL West, but get to .500. Then go all in and sign Bumgarner.
RedRooster
.500 is not a goal any team has (or should have). If the rebuild goes even close to as hoped no one in San Diego will care whether or not the Padres broke .500 in 2019.
outinleftfield
You have to move in the direction of good to get where every team wants to be, in the playoffs. You can’t continue to win 60 something games every year then suddenly win 100. Every team wants to make progress and .500 after 66 wins shows progress. A 16 game improvement is huge. The Padres have been saying that moving towards .500 is the goal. Every fan wants to see their team win. Most fans would rather see their team win 50% or more of their games every year than a WS appearance followed by 10 years of losing. That is just the way most fans think. If you don’t want to see your team win more than they lose, what does that say about your fanhood after all?
RedRooster
“You have to move in the direction of good to get where every team wants to be, in the playoffs.”
Trading for one or two-year rentals isn’t moving in the direction of good. Their production will just have to be replaced otherwise the team will regress and whoever does replace them is just as likely to succeed regardless of whether or not their predecessor was any good.
“You can’t continue to win 60 something games every year then suddenly win 100. ”
Ask the Cubs and Astros if that is true.
“Every team wants to make progress and .500 after 66 wins shows progress.”
Only if you can see why the team made it to .500 and if that progress is sustainable and can be built upon. Extra wins gained by trading for players who can be free agents aren’t sustainable.
“A 16 game improvement is huge.”
If it’s sustainable.
“The Padres have been saying that moving towards .500 is the goal.”
Source?
“Every fan wants to see their team win. Most fans would rather see their team win 50% or more of their games every year than a WS appearance followed by 10 years of losing.”
Your opinion not a fact.
“That is just the way most fans think.”
I didn’t know your name was “most fans.”
“If you don’t want to see your team win more than they lose, what does that say about your fanhood after all?”
If you want your team to be marginally better in a rebuilding year at the expense of wins later on when they should theoretically be contending, what does that say about YOUR fanhood?
PS: Downvoting your counterpart’s comments does not help your argument.
nowheretogobutup
I believe your thinking sounds like the Ryan of old before he was kicked off the board. Every baseball fan would appreciate their team at least playing .500 ball instead of 440.
Like most teams you build that ladder from 66 wins to 81 to 95 and the playoffs.
RedRooster
Ok PF. Nice to see you have another new account.
Informed fans would not appreciate playing .500 instead of .440 if it comes at the expense of future wins. If the rebuild goes as hoped and the Padres are celebrating their first ever championship in 3 or 4 years, are you really going to care how many games they won in 2019? Cuz I won’t.
Cubs and Astros won 73 and 70 games the season before they returned to the playoffs. So can the Padres.
Again, if the Padres move up to 81 wins by trading for a player who can become a free agent, those wins will not translate to seasons after the player in question has reached free agency. For example, the Padres will not win one more game in 2019 and beyond by virtue of previously having had Freddy Galvis on the team than they would have if they had just run out, say, Javy Guerra at SS in 2018.
outinleftfield
Making poor arguments over and over doesn’t make your comments correct either Ryan. At some point you will grow up and find new things to say on here. until then enjoy the downvotes.
RedRooster
“Making poor arguments over and over doesn’t make your comments correct either Ryan.”
That’s not even my name and you should take your own advice.
“At some point you will grow up and find new things to say on here.”
The hilarious part is you’re like 50-something and still sound like 4-year-old who just had his toy taken away.
“until then enjoy the downvotes.”
Lol so you are basically doing the exact same thing that you were slamming others for doing 15 mins ago. You really are more pathetic than I give you credit for.
outinleftfield
Redrooster is WestCoastRyan and WestCoastSoxFan and several other accts you see on this thread.
RedRooster
I know you wanna believe that PF.
By the way you can see me arguing with WestCoastSoxFan further up this thread. Do you have some form of autism that stops you from realizing this?
sdfriarfan
ok, this has gotten old. Give it up already.
padreforlife
Come clean Rooster!
padreforlife
Ryan right who cares about .500. Contend or nothing
padreforlife
Right on Rooster couldn’t agree more. 2022 is year though
smrtbusnisman04a
Oh how cute. San Diego thinks they can contend. They forget that there are still three, maybe four, teams in front of them.
RedRooster
AZ is rebuilding, SF oughtta be.
Ryan W
San Diego will be in third this season. Might beat out Colorado for second. AZ and SF aren’t going to win more than 74 games
padreforlife
Giants have won 3 WS since 2010 they don’t need your advice
nowheretogobutup
seven negative comments to your great two sentences shows your not a smart business man, try again or give up baseball and stick to selling whatever you sell. Gnats will be last this year, Padres have a shot at 3rd place. and if they pick up two SP’s could make 2nd place.
Ryan W
“A move to the spacious Petco Park probably won’t help Kinsler’s offense.”
Do people still believe this? Such outdated thinking. Look at the numbers
Ryan W
Espn’s Rank of park factors places Petco at #13, Above average. It favors the hitter slightly more than the pitcher these days.
Tigernut2000
Great guy. Good pickup for the Pad’s, but ask any Tigers fan, he is brain dead on the base paths.
RedRooster
Really? Dude seems to have a good head on his shoulders. I mean everyone saw that play where he let the ball drop in order to get Colby Rasmus off the basepaths and potentially go for the double play if Tyler White had dogged it to 1st.
outinleftfield
Even at 36 years old, he was one of the best defensive 2B in baseball. He was expected to get a 1 year deal for $8 million. This spreads the Padres payroll hit over two years. He should be a great teacher for their great 2B prospect Urias. If he hits .240 again in 2019, its a step up for the Padres whose 2B hit .232 last year. I don’t see any downside in this for them.
TooToughToScuffle
Kinsler looked like he had nothing left in his time here in Massachusetts. Guess he can still field well, and he looked good, but I cannot erase that game 3 error from my mind.
nowheretogobutup
sleep well bosox your team has a WS ring forget the misplays and bad miscues that your Mgr made, he got away with most of them.. Just move on,
joefriday1948
A great signing. He was destined to go to the Tigers but the Padres outfoxed the new hire as manager.
nowheretogobutup
I hope by Feb. we have a 3B signed either trade or FA signing. I think AJ will fill that need until one of our rooks comes up from A ball.
nowheretogobutup
All we need for Christmas as a Friar fan is two more SP’s and a 3B (not Myers) make a trade or do a FA. Sure would like to see the team make .500 this year, its time.
nmc420theambassador
been wondering why this has been in limbo so long. exactly how hard is it to dump pirela for kinsler? let’s get this done already
Bringbacktheblue
The Padres would dump Hosmer before they dump Pirela… Smh
nmc420theambassador
until proven otherwise, i’m fully committed to the conspiracy theory i personally devised that pirela and mitchell split the bill on hiring a private investigator to get any and all the dirt they could on preller, just to secure jobs in san diego the rest of their careers.
nothing else makes sense in regards as to how those 2 guys are still employed
RedRooster
Right there with you. I honestly don’t know what the holdup is.
Soldierofgod619
We are all waiting for the Pirela has been DFA announcement.
Frisco500
Speaking of middle infielders, so hit baseball’s, some hit women. Some (at least one) should be out of baseball.
fakenews
Can’t believe the article on Addison Russell….horrible news
lowtalker1
So much time to dfa pirela
Either pirela or one of those crappy pitchers
csspackler
Clayton Richard DFA’d. Pirela is like a cookroach. Even thermonuclear war wouldn’t kill him.
MetsYankeesRedSox
Nice solid career in MLB.
Good luck basking in the sun.
goat
To quote this dirtbag, “I hope they go 0-162 this year.”
csspackler
Sounds like something a dirtbag would say.
sdfriarfan
So much angst about keeping Pirela. How about the initial reason for this discussion? Signing Ian Kinsler? The dude is 36 years old. Not arguing that he is a decent player but his bat is no better. We have a younger players in the system who could likely play as well or close to as well defensively. Why not re-sign Galvis for a year at the same cost on a one year deal. The first deal sucks. Kinsler should not have been signed. Ridiculous
RedRooster
Galvis wants a multi-year deal.
Anyway, I’m not opposed to signing someone like Kinsler, but it should have been someone who can play SS or 3B. I agree with whoever it was that said that if Luis Urias is our long-term 2B, we need to keep him there.
padreforlife
Can he play few games before you sprinkle anointed oil
RedRooster
Can you make a few relevant, well-thought-out comments before we sprinkle anointed oil?
csspackler
Younger players who could play as well defensively as Kinsler, who won the Gold Glove last year?
Who?
sdfriarfan
Reading comprehension is your friend, “We have younger players in the system who could likely play as well or close to as well defensively” Play as well or close to as well. Those are the operative words in this sentence. .
csspackler
OK. … likely as well or close to as well defensively.
Who? (That’s my operative word).
sdfriarfan
Javier Guerra. Defensively he’s good. Offensively, not so but we were talking about defensively. Stay on point.
csspackler
I root for Javy Guerra. I really do. But comparing him to a 2-time Gold Glove winning second baseman is not “likely” close to anything.
Guerra has played exactly 5 games at second base in his professional career.
Five games (five is the operative word).
RedRooster
Why would you want him to play 2nd base? Do the Padres not already have a solution there in Luis Urias? Guerra is best suited playing SS until they decide to call up Tatis Jr.
On a somewhat related note, Guerra and Pirela both have one minor league option remaining apiece.
sdfriarfan
I was about to type the same reply as redrooster. Guerra would play shortstop and keep Urias at 2nd. I think your question is disingenuous Spack. You knew that Guerra played shortstop. You’re a regular here.
csspackler
I think “likely” as good defensively as Kinsler is wildly inaccurate.
You also know that Guerra (bless his heart) would “likely” bat around .120 with a 50% strikeout ratio. Kinsler is a transitional sign, and a cheap one at that. He knows the score.
RedRooster
“You also know that Guerra (bless his heart) would “likely” bat around .120 with a 50% strikeout ratio. ”
So? Maybe the Padres suck slightly less in 2019 without Guerra. Who cares? They’ll be very lucky to win 80 games as it is.
sdfriarfan
Guerra could more than hold down shortstop defensive. He would also be a transitional guy… There is talk of Tatis Jr coming up a few months into the season. Guerra could more than handle SS in the interim. Guerra is cheaper. Kinsler’s money could have gone toward a SP.
RedRooster
For the record, I wasn’t at all opposed to signing someone like Kinsler (veteran presence, solid with the glove, not in any way expensive). Just would have rather it been someone that can play the left side of the infield.
sdfriarfan
I got that but my point is everybody is going haywire about Pirela still being on the team when the money used to sign a veteran player could have/should have been used to address a truly dire need, pitching. Pirela is a non factor on this team. Kinsler did not hit as well as Pirela.
RedRooster
Kinsler is a much better defender, has a much higher baseball IQ and can be a mentor on a young emerging team.
Plus he’s Jewish so I’m partial.
sdfriarfan
HIs baseball IQ? That’s an intangible. Nobody knows what affect he’ll have on this team He’s going to be playing on a losing or mid level team after being part of a WS winning team.. How is his attitude going to be when he’s relegated to a utility player? Tatis will be in the big leagues soon and Kinsler will be on the bench. That’ll hurt his pride. I understand a 36 year old wants to continue playing the game he loves but if he were such a good commodity, other contending teams would have snatched him up. just sayin’.
padreforlife
1st since Brad Ausmus?
RedRooster
Contenders didn’t pick him up because he can’t hit. He does fill a role on a young team trying to emerge from a rebuild tho. Certainly more than Jose Pirela.
RedRooster
If Jose Pirela were a Youtube video, he would be this one.
youtube.com/watch?v=CGEvNNzMook
csspackler
The money Kinsler is making is a pittance. It isn’t keeping the Padres from signing anyone.
csspackler
The money Kinsler is making is a pittance. It isn’t keeping the Padres from signing anyone. And I’m quite sure the Padres spoke with him about his role. As previously stated, he knows the score.
Wolverines2
I agree here. Kinsler knows his role as a starter is going to be a short window. This would be obvious and it would be explained. He signed because he got 2 years. Plain and simple. I can’t wait for the day that Pirela is gone just as much as everyone else, but why are we worried about it? He will not be on the roster come opening day if for some bizarre reason he even makes it that far. With an option left he could be “depth” in the minors. Signing Kinsler at least made Pirela completely useless to this roster moving forward (not that he wasn’t already), so let’s not act like he is going to be stealing at bats from the young guys who need to develop or something. Clayton Richard would make a hell of a bullpen coach/assistant pitching coach by the way…at least in terms of the mental side of things. If that doesn’t work out, strength coach…that guy is jacked.
sdfriarfan
Of course but a “pittance” when added to another “pittance” could convince a SP to join our team or Moustakas. Both are better choices than Kinsler. Why all the love for Kinsler? He’s not an offensive power house. His defense is good but those who assume he’ll be a good clubhouse guy really don’t know. It looks good in print. It is good in theory but nobody knows how he’ll do. Moustakas or a good SP will absolutely have a positive effect especially when he is friends with Hosmer.
nypadre66
He could be the next Jim Presley…another solid FA signing from the past.
bitterpadresfan
Whatever…always liked Kinsler but this doesn’t move the needle at all. Hopefully Richard gets another shot.
Unclenolanrules
I feel like this is the tenth time I have seen this on the site in a week. We get it, Ian Kinsler is going to San Diego. Let’s move on.
JKB 2
Agreed!