4:03pm: The Mets “want to move” Syndergaard in a trade, a rival evaluator tells ESPN.com’s Buster Olney (Twitter link). The feeling amongst many outside evaluators is that the Mets are “fully intent” on dealing Syndergaard. As to The Athletic’s Marc Carig hears from a rival executive, the asking price on Syndergaard is something in the range of a top-30 prospect “and a couple of other solid pieces.”
3:22pm: Noah Syndergaard and Zack Wheeler have been often mentioned as trade candidates this summer, with Wheeler considered the likelier of the two to depart since he is a free agent after the season. According to The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal (Twitter link), however, the Mets are also exploring a scenario that would see them sign Wheeler to an extension and deal Syndergaard before the July 31 trade deadline.
The upside of this strategy is obvious. Wheeler’s trade value is currently limited due to his rental player status, and the fact that he isn’t scheduled to come off the injured list until Friday, due to a particularly ill-timed shoulder impingement. When healthy, though, Wheeler has shown flashes of being a front-of-the-rotation pitcher, particularly during his impressive 2018 season. In extending Wheeler, the Mets would be able to keep one solid arm in their rotation over the longer term, which would then free them up to make a bigger deadline score now by moving Syndergaard, whose extra years of control and higher talent ceiling have made him an attractive commodity to other teams.
It isn’t known whether the Mets have reached out to Wheeler’s representatives at Jet Sports Management about extension talks, or if Wheeler has any interest in even signing such a deal to remain in Queens rather than testing the open market this winter. Wheeler has a 4.69 ERA over 119 innings this season, though with some solid advanced metrics and ERA predictors (3.66 FIP, 3.85 xFIP, 4.01 SIERA) that suggest he should be pitching better than his actual ERA suggests. On the down side, Wheeler is allowing significant more hard contact than he did in 2018, and a big spike in homer rate (13.7% in 2019 as compared to 8.1% last season) can be seen as the culprit for that inflated ERA.
It all makes for a good but not great platform season for Wheeler. Depending on how he pitches the rest of the way this year, he’ll be heading into free agency without the benefit of a real ace-level season, he turns 30 next May, and he’ll have a qualifying offer hanging over his head. With all of these factors in mind, Wheeler and his reps could prefer the security of an extension (if the price is right, of course) rather than testing what has become an increasingly fraught free agent market over the last couple of years.
Negotiating an extension with Wheeler, of course, would add an extra layer of complications to the Mets’ plans in the final week before the deadline. Naturally you’d think the club would want Wheeler locked up before dealing Syndergaard, though the Mets could also try to get the framework of a Syndergaard deal lined up in advance.
Still, it makes for an awful lot of moving parts within what would be a franchise-altering decision. Syndergaard doesn’t turn 27 until next month and is controlled through the 2021 season via arbitration, and while the right-hander has been more solid than great this season, he has shown he is capable of being a frontline arm when at his peak. The Yankees, Padres, Astros, Brewers, and Twins have all been linked to Syndergaard in rumors, and the Mets are known to be looking for a huge return if they did move the young righty.
This makes sense seeing as how the team has a lot of needs still, but i think they’ll even find a way to screw this up.
Syndergaard to ChiSox!
Why?
Because he is a White Sox fan
For our WS push next season. He is controllable.
There’s no World Series push until 2022 when Vaughn, Madrigal, Robert and Kopech have all been in the league for at least a year and show that they’re big leaguers.
Wrong!
If Cleveland decides to dismantle and the Chisox have 3 teams in the division to beat on, that 2022 turns into 2020 real quick (pending what Chicago does from now until next Spring Training).
I have no doubt the White Sox can win the division next season, but they’re not close to Houston, Boston and New York.
Or Minnesota or Tampa. Don’t be stupid. Just because the ChiSox made a failed attempt to acquire Machado and pretended they were shocked when he went to a better team for more money and an opt-out clause doesn’t mean SouthSide is anywhere near a World Championship next year.
Do White Sox have what Mets maybe but giving ELROY,Golito or so on.
Cardinals,Rays,Twins,Astros and so on.
White Sox arent giving up Giolito or Eloy for anything. You don’t give up young big league talent. You give up prospects that have yet to debut in the majors.
Not for a front line starter.
Luis Robert would be a starting pitcher
You are slowly becoming the most annoying commenter on here
I would 100% extend Wheeler. There’s more there than the bottom line numbers show. If you could get him in the 4 year 48-55 range it makes too much sense not to do it.
What more is there that the numbers don’t show?
Bottom line numbers is what I meant. His peripherals are much stronger than his results.
Can’t imagine a 4 year deal would be less than $60.
I’m picturing 4/75
I’d agree. I’m very high on Wheeler. I was really thinking eovaldi 4/67. But the bottom line results haven’t been great to date and there’s an injury concern. But I would tend to agree with you that it’ll be 60+
Mets will trade both. Wheeler to Atlanta or Milwaukee n he resigns w Mets. Thor will go to Yankees or Astros. I think BVW n Wilpons are ready to help Yankees but will cost Garcia n Frazier. Mets get a catching prospect or RHOF for Wheeler. Don’t forget Vargas is going tp. Last 55 games will be brutal with Degrom, Matz, Lockett, maybe Ervin Santana n another Triple A kid. I hope Garcia from the Yankees.
4/$48m all day and every day. After last season I was thinking an absolute minimum would be 4/$70m.
I really enjoy watching Syndergaard pitch, but the Mets have a deeply flawed roster and they aren’t going to get noticably better without moving one or more of Syn, Conforto, and/or Rosario.
Scrub pitchers get close to $20 million per year and he will get nearly $20 million with a qualifying offer. Doubtful the Mets can sign Wheeler that cheaply when he is on the brink of free agency… Provided he finishes healthy and pitches decently, Wheeler is looking at a minimum of $80 million for four or $65 to $70 million for three. Supply of solid pitchers with upside is far smaller than the demand.
4/80 would be high. I don’t think that’s the minimum. 4/55 is probably the low end estimate and I’d say 4/80 is the high end. With wheeler falling somewhere in between. I had thought prior to his DL stint he was probably looking somewhere in the range of 4/67.
We do need to see how he looks going forward though. They said it was a dead shoulder and hopefully it was just that and not an injury.
That seems way too cheap to actually happen. He would have to fire his agent for sure.
Syndergaard scares me if trading for him
agreed injury prone
The “two wrongs make a right” strategy. Very Mets.
Because foregoing his free agency to play for that dumpster fire in Queens makes a ton of sense for Wheeler.
Thor, Dom Smith and Amed Rosario to Rays for Wander Franco, Matthew Liberatore and Willy Adames.
Wander Franco is going to be untouchable. McKay is probably close to if not untouchable also. Even if you take those two out, the Rays could give you a great package of prospects.
It’s gonna take at least the top prospect plus from any team to get Thor.
Not all top prospects are equal I see no way the Rays trade Wander Franco.
Bingo. Franco is the #1 prospect in all of baseball. Hope the Rays don’t do anything stupid with Snell going down.
That’s not how the Rays operate. They aren’t trading the best prospect in the game for 1 1/3 years of an often-injured pitcher.
2 and a third.
Rays don’t do dat.
There is absolutely no chance you will get Franco for everything you have, even Syndergaard and DeGrom wouldn’t get him.
Dont be crazy… those two together would probably get him. Neither on their own would, though.
I’m not sure the Rays would pay Degrom’s 130 million dollar Salary. So in that respect I’m not sure it would. But from a value standpoint obviously that’d be a win for TB.
Really, NO Mets fan, but all this talk about the Rays is just very humorous!
Thor and DeGrom would be more than enough to get this Franco kid who regardless of the prospect hype, at the end of the day is still a prospect and hasn’t played a day in the majors.
I just said it wouldn’t get done. DeGrom’s salary is too big for the Rays and likely lacks surplus value, and Franco provides a huge surplus value.
The Mets could trade Degrom for two top prospects today. It wouldn’t be Franco but he certainly has surplus value. Degrom’s aren’t replaceable. The Mets could eat a little bit of cash for a better return like the Tigers did w Verlander. But even if they didn’t I think they’d definitely get some good value back.
I’m not referring to surplus value as in his trade value. I mean surplus value compared to the performance value of his $130 million contract. He absolutely has trade value, and similar to what you said. Just unlikely to provide the baseball value of $130 million given his age and that he’s a pitcher.
In the off season I would trade those 3 for Lindor. No problem at all. Cleveland’s not going to pay him and Cespedes is off the books after 2020. Give Lindor 5 yrs 130. Get a real CF and we are so much better defensively.
This would be peak Mets.
It doesn’t really make sense for Wheeler to want to sign an extension at this point. If the Mets extend to him a QO (not chump change), he can always fall back on that if the market isn’t to his liking. And then hit the market again in 2020 with the chance to score a big contract at 31.
After watching guys just linger during FA. The market changed this last off-season and guys know that anyone 30 and over is likely going to get squeezed. Wheeler’s peripherals are solid enough that extending him should be a nice move. deGrom, Wheeler, Matz, and then….? Watch them pick up Vargas’ option…who I still think is going to turn into a pumpkin (again) much sooner than later.
He doesn’t have the option of fully exploring the market before making the decision on the qualifying offer.
As for the offer itself, I think the Mets should consider carefully whether or not to give him one. If I were him, and I was given a QO, I’d take it.
I know there are anti-tampering rules and such but I would be shocked if any player’s agent (if they’re competent) didn’t having a good barometer reading of market interest in their client prior to the QO deadline.
addy russell straight up for noah…do cubs fans say no?
The Mets fans say HELL NO
Are u crazy? Nobody wants Russell.
Russell is untouchable and not in a good way.
He’s trolling
lol
If BVW can really cut a deal with the Yankees, I’d do Thor for Garcia and Frazier. There not going to pay Thor in 2 years so get the arm with 6 years control.
The Mets needs are CF,C and BP so no thanks. It would cost more than your offer plus NO thanks to Frazier defensively he as good as Dom Smith was last night lol.
florial garcia and something?
Typical Mutts fan.
Always thinking they have just a couple holes to plug them they’ll be a good team.
The Mutts need EVERYTHING. It’s a talentless organization.
Here’s what’s going to happen.
Theyll trade Wheeler for some stiff prospects, then hold onto Noah until he has virtually no value.
This off season they’ll sign some stiffs to “plug the holes”
The Dopey fans will fall for it Again and we’ll have to listen to them tell us why they’ll be a playoff team next year.
Typical Mets hater… You think the reigning Cy Young winner, the reigning HR Derby champion/probable NL ROY, and a contender for the NL batting title (who would also have been a contender for NL ROY if he hadn’t had too many plate appearances last year) are nothing? Yes, they have needs, but you don’t blow up a team with a strong core.
Lol, Mets hater?
You have to be relevant to have haters.
“The reining HR Derby champion”
Lol, that about sums it all up right there.
Congrats, you have a power hitting first baseman who strikes out a ton.
Not exactly that hard to find these days.
degroms best years are being wasted so really what does he matter?
Farm system is garbage and the ML roster has managed a better record than the Marlins and…. Oh just the MARLINS!
But they’ll sign 2 scrub free agents next year and all of us will get the pleasure of listening to dopes like you telling us AGAIN how good they are.
I can see the 2020 battle cry.
” We fixed da pen and mickey is gone”
Dumbest fan base in the world.
Must be a Yankee fan to hate on the Mets and their FANS. Get a LIFE.
Yo phenomenalajs, you’re crazy and I’m not a NY fan at all. That team is bad every year WITH all those guys. Yes you absolutely blow it up, the whole thing, and anything less is totally stupid.
Cmon buddy. If the Mets trade Thor you really think SP isn’t a need? If you trade Thor you have 2 starters moving forward and that’s Wheeler and Degrom. And that’s only if he can work out the extension to wheeler.
that’s probably a pretty reasonable return for syndergaard. I’m not sure if mets ownership would sign off on anything less than a total overpay to deal with the Yankees so I doubt it happens, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the actual deal they make is close in value to that
I hope like hell the Astros don’t trade for Thor. You can never count on him to be healthy. If I were to bet on the Astros activity, I’d say Thor is the only player they’d give up Tucker for among the names most mentioned mainly because he has one more year of control than Stroman and Ray. Don’t do it Luhnow.
I’m with you. I’d like a pitcher with team control to come back next year with Verlander and McCullers, but there are some less brittle options out there for a cheaper price.
Tucker for Boyd and Jiminez
I’m not sold on Boyd and that’s the problem. Throw all the stats at me you want, but he has regressed here in the second half and I’m not willing to give you a top 10 prospect like Tucker and Whitley for Boyd. I’d happily talk if you wanted more of a quantity approach like Bukaskas and 3 or 4 other for him, but we both know you want more than that and you should.
I said it when it happened, Corbin Martin going down was crippling to the Astros in terms of a trading standpoint. He was in the top 60 prospects or so and moving up thanks to a good year. If he kept throwing well in AAA he would’ve been a nice piece to sell your front office and fans on. Bukaskas isn’t at that level and he’s have a bad year. That leaves the top 2 or everyone else. It’s hard to make a deal without a headline piece. It makes it even tougher when you have 2 of them and refuse to let them go. The only way I see the Astros giving up one of the big two is for a controllable pitcher with 2+ years of control.
I’m not sold on Tucker’s bat and he’d be a subpar outfielder. Since the Tigers have first base locked up with Torkelson, no moving him there either.
The Stros have to replace G. cole because we all know they aren’t going to be able to afford him. I could easily see Thor becoming a Cole clone once he’s in Houston. There’s obviously more there that the Mets aren’t getting out of him. I’d happily trade Tucker for him w Alvarez’s emergence. The presence of Brantley and Springer make that an easier proposition at this point also. You have to take a gamble some time. I’d do it here
Agreed. I’d trade Tucker for either Thor, Bumgardner, or Stroman. The only way I’d trade him for Boyd is if Greene is in the deal too. The taxed bullpen needs help.
Considering what that organization has done with pitchers they’ve acquired over the years, Thor would be a great fit. They’re farm is rich with talent that a deal would work
Why do fans constantly talk about Syndergaards health when he is on track for another 150IP season, his 4th in 5 years? Why does 150IP matter…because very few pitchers are pitching 200IP anymore.
Pitchers who pitched 200IP in a season:
2005: 50
2010: 45
2015: 28
2016: 15
2017: 15
2018: 13
Maybe because 150 innings isn’t an accomplishment.
78 did it last year.
Soo less than half the league did it? Got it.
I would probably like the Stroman trade better as far as prospects. I think both Stroman and Syndergaard are talented. I think Hinch would stretch both those pitchers out to pretty close to 200 inning pitchers. He like to keep SP in around 90-110 pitches and 7 innings if possible. That being said Astros infield defense helps SP go longer.
“Considering extensions” is GM speak for “we’ll trade him to you if you up your offer”. This is a message for 29 front offices.
This is a message for 29 front offices.
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That’s the first and only thing that occurred to me. BVW is trying to convince the other 29 owners that Wheeler is complete healthy, by saying they want to extend him. It was like when Cashman said he was going with Bubba somebody in CF to ‘hide’ his interest in Damon, and then let it ‘leak’ thru the press that he had an interest in Lowell to drive up the price.
No one listened to Cashman’s silly attempts at propaganda, and they won’t listen to BVW,
Did Cashman announce he was going to extend Hicks & Severino? No! Did DD announce he was going to extend Sale & Bogaerts? No! Both guys worked with the agent and came to a deal, and then announced it. Announcing that you ‘are going to’, automatically gives the player more leverage. The only time you’d announce it to the press is if you HAD NO intention of doing so.
BVW once again trying to show everyone how clever he is.
Wheeler: Sup BWV! What kind of numbers/years are we looking at? NY Post Page Six says you want me to stay. Is that accurate?
BVW: We can’t really afford you at 36/4 and it sucks.
Wheeler: Wait… whaaat…
BVW: You know… The whole Bernie Madoff thing and Bobby Bonilla.
Wheeler: Goodbye.
BWV (to TMZ Sports reporter): We tried our best to retain Z but he wants to test the market as he’s rightfully earned his shot.
They should trade both. Wheeler is too inconsistent. Should be able to get some descent talents for both.
Syndegard – Kyle Tucker and Seth beer
Wheeler- Devi Garcia and another prospect
Wheeler doesn’t get Garcia…
The Mets are not getting Garcia for a rental.
While I think the NYY fans overrate Garcia a bit, Wheeler for two months isn’t close to Garcia.
I would probably like the Stroman trade better as far as prospects. I think both Stroman and Syndergaard are talented. I think Hinch would stretch both those pitchers out to pretty close to 200 inning pitchers. He like to keep SP in around 90-110 pitches and 7 innings if possible. That being said Astros infield defense helps SP go longer.
No chance of both Tucker and Beer for Thor. One of those sure (along with 1-2 other pieces), no chance on both.
Beer and Tucker for Syndagard is fair value wise but makes no sense for the Mets. They already have Alonso at first for the next 5 years. Beer can’t even play first, but it’s where he would need to be if he was sent to the NL.
Garcia is climbing up the ranks of the Yankees farm system, quickly becoming one of their top prospects within the matter of half a year. I doubt they deal him for Wheeler. If anything they deal him for a SP who we would have more control over contract wise.
Funny how these kinds of rumors always seem to materialize as the trade deadline approaches.
dumpster fire. What upside is there for Wheeler to extend? He wold almost certainly be able to at least get whateer the mets offer on the open market. He has only incentive to extort the team or test FA.
This whole has been mismanaged so badly. Even the fact that the possibility is being floated is a bad look.
I legit feel bad for Mets fans. As an Angel fan, at least we can blame injury luck (and a previously meddlesome but no longer owner for bad contracts). For the Mets, even a partially competent GM/ownership should be able to get more from what seems like the best young pitching core in teh game.
Im a Yanks fan but want to see the Mets do well. And I really like Citifield. I immediately lost all hope when BVW traded for Diaz with Cano as a throw-in.
Let the Team acquiring Wheeler exend hm.
4 Yrs $17M-$18M per Yr potentially with a vesting option & opt out after Yr3? Makes sense to me. Wheeler struggles due to poor Defense and could benefit from mixing up his pitch offerings. Loads of talent, don’t think he’ll tap into it unless he lands with a more analytically driven organization that offers a semblance of Defense. Mets rotation could be barren in 2019. And the lack of options speaks to the major issue of the roster… A lack of depth on the 40.
Vargas has a $8M Club Option w/ $2M Buyout. Matz will compete for a rotation spot in his penultimate trip through Arbitration. The next best rotation option assuming Thor is dealt is Walker Lockett. Top Prospects Anthony Kay & David Peterson are getting roughed up in the minor leagues. Mets can’t afford to lose both Syndergaard & Wheeler in 2020.
Dealing Syndergaard given his control is the best way to add premium young talent to restock the system and simultaneously add depth to the 40 Man. Padres are the natural fit.
Padres have to consolidate their prospect group & deal for MLB players to take the next step towards contention. Must be discussing Syndergaard, Trevor Bauer & you’d assume Mathew Boyd. It’d be interesting to see if they went after Strasburg is he opted out. How deep are the Owner’s Pockets?
Mets face tough predicament. Disassembling their perceived strength could expedite a path towards contention. And their major asset (outside of untouchable Alonso) is Syndergaard, Jeff McNeil (probably untouchable) and Edwin Diaz & Seth Lugo. Dominic Smith is also rebuilding his value.
Just jump on the Pads bus, Thor! You’re going to love San Diego! Great beers, beaches and weather
And, … Swedish girls.
ABSOLUTELY THE STUPIDEST THING THIS FRANCHISE COULD DO. IF THEY DO THIS, I’M OUT. SEASON TICKETS…CANCELLED. THEY WANT TO WIN NOW WITH YOUNG TALENT, SO LET’S TRADE YOUNG TALENT FOR SOMEONE ELSE’S QUESTION MARKS.
If you’re going to hand in your tickets because they trade Thor, then maybe you should get rid of them anyway. Thor has done exactly nothing this season to suggest he will improve.
He’s been hurt consistently, gets hit hard consistently, allows stolen bases consistently. He has an attitude problem that’s reminding me a bit of Matt Harvey. Skipping reporters when he has a bad game, getting pissed at teammates because they didn’t get a few extra runs for him on his good starts… Ever see Jacob deGrom whining like a baby? See him call out teammates and skip media because he’s in a bad mood? Join Thor and put on a new uniform.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
Tonight so they can get other Deal done and so can other Teams.
This has the scent of pure media-driven BS.
There is zero logic to this approach. Why would Wheeler want to re-sign with the Mets at this point? He’s 3 months from free agency and will have no trouble finding a reasonable deal in FA. If he gets offered the QO, he can take that if he doesn’t feel like the offers he’s getting are up to his expectations.
Might as well trade deGrom if this is their thinking, reinvest the money saved by offloading his contract, keep Thor under control thru Arb, and obtain the depth pieces for the farm as part of deGrom return. Maybe they eat some of his contract to up the quality of the prospect return?
But again, this has the sniff of media-driven, unsubstantiated fluff. They’re looking to make a story out of something that is not a story. Until I hear the Wilpons or Brodie say they’re shopping Thor aggressively and hope to re-sign Wheeler, this is a bunch of BS.
I’d say Mets have options here too – no need for extension now. Let’s see how Wheeler pitches and if he isn’t great, he won’t command a crazy extension. If he’s good, Mets can always go the route of QO (which rumor has it will be lower than 2018). Mets need to capitalize on the SP market right now and get biggest return for Thor. Some still expect to see a major arm injury for him in his future.
I don’t think Thor carries any more risk of a major arm injury than any other starting pitcher nowadays. So unless his medicals already show something that are leading the Mets to expedite a deal for him, I don’t think this theory carries much water. That’s always a risk with any pitcher.
I agree they don’t need to extend Wheeler now. There’s no point. Offer him a team friendly and reasonable extension offer or the QO, tell him to take it or leave it. If he leaves it, they net the draft pick (unless he goes unsigned) and have plenty of room to sign someone else, including the more sought after starters who are projected to be FAs.
What I don’t agree with is the sentiment that they’re better off dealing Thor and trying to re-sign Wheeler in the near term. Best time to deal Thor, IMO, is this coming offseason or next trade deadline (2020) in the hopes that he has a solid remainder of 2019 and first half of 2020. Then you deal him when he has 1 1/2 .- 2 years control remaining. They’ll still net a big return for him as they should. But I don’t think it will be markedly better than what they’d get dealing him now.
Finally, if they do deal him and the Yankees are willing to pony up a legit blockbuster return compared to what other teams offer and the idiot Wilpons red light it, they’re just that, idiots. It’s a different world in baseball right now. And some day the Mets will need what the Yankees have and will get the bird. Bad business in my humble opinion.
Zack Wheeler extension and Noah Syndergaard trade?
Ok, I guess…..
yeah. id reverse that.
Padres are the most logical partner
Maybe Twins
Maybe Cincy
Yanks
Frazier for Thor
No. – every mets fan
Hey Moneyballer, I’m a Mets fan and I wanted to second that NO! Hell NO! Absolutely NO!
It kills me to think that the package the Pirates gave up for Chris Archer (Meadows, Glasnow and Baz) would probably be enough for the Mets to send us Thor, who is three times the pitcher today as Archer was at the time of the trade, issues this season and all. I never had an issue with Huntington giving those guys up, but for ARCHER!
MLB.com suggests Astros, Twins and Cardinals as potential destinations. I’d say the packages Mets should ask for are:
Astros – Kyle Tucker, Bryan Abreu, and Bukauskas
Twins – Alex Krilloff, Jordan Balazovic, Lewis Thorpe
Cardinals – Dylan Carlson, Elehuris Montero, Jhon Torre and Ryan Helsley
Those teams need Noah more than Mets need to trade him so they should ask for a lot IMO.
But the Mets being the Mets will find some way to screw this up.
Why would the Cardinals need to sell the farm for a long term contract with Martinez due back in the rotation next year and still a plethora of talented young starting pitching options? They’ll be much more likely to get a rental starter.
Because the cards rotation is not great now, when they’re in the middle of a playoff fight. Thor immediately becomes the #1. Mikolas/flaherty regressed, waino is done after this year, Martinez will always be a question mark, wacha will be gone, Hudson/Ponce/gant are all question marks. This is absolutely the type of deal the cards need to be looking into. O’Neill would be a great starting point
Cards 2020 rotation would be Thor, Carlos, Hudson, flathery and miles
Give that blocked talent to the mets
O’Neill isn’t a great starting point for the Mets. What do they want to do with a corner outfielder with huge swing and miss problems?
Lol they already have Cespedes
Each of those teams have plenty of other options. All of those proposals are absurd and none of those teams would give that return for a pitcher who doesn’t have a good history of health and isn’t tearing it up this year either.
If they’re going to trade Syndergaard, I think they might as well rebuild. Fully tanking would be unnecessary, and they may or may not decide to hang onto DeGrom as the current face of the franchise, but otherwise they should get what they can for most of their veteran pieces either at the deadline or during this upcoming offseason.
They are not moving DeGrom he just signed an extension
Thor’s act is getting old
The Mets are a mess but they have some pieces and they have money coming off their books next year in Wright’s & Cespedas’.
They really could turn it around fast if the right moves are made
Yeah, I wouldn’t expect them to move DeGrom even if they do decide to rebuild.
However, if they plan on retooling like that, then they should also keep Syndergaard. Trading that many years of control of a stud like him while still planning to compete next season seems rather counter-intuitive like they’re trying to go in both directions at once. Go ask the Mariners how well that worked out this year. Now, well-run organizations like the Rays and Athletics can occasionally pull it off (while also failing at it quite often), but the Mets aren’t exactly in that category.
the fish are perpetually terrible, but the mets are still the comedy relief of the NL East.
Braves should jump at the chance
No way I will pass on his antics
Let him go to a team that will allow us to get one of the other SP available
I advocated for the Mets to trade Thor, Wheeler and deGrom in the offseason and rebuild. Instead they doubled down on their endless purgatory of faking contention by trading for the overpriced corpse of Cano. Pitchers break. It’s very unlikely these guys will be healthy and effective by the time the Mets are ready to contend again for real.
Just watch, the Mets are going to trade Thor for Victor Zambrano Jr.
–If you weren’t around in 2004, you have no clue what I’m talking about.–
Everybody talks the victor Zambrano trade but what exactly did Scott Kazmir accomplish
He had a good few years but that trade winded up being not as bad as everyone thought it would
Kazmir was a stud and Ace of the Tampa staff for a few years. Zambrano did nothing. That’s why it was a bad trade
not as bad as everyone thought it would
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There have been maybe 2-3 trades in my entire life that were universally panned, at the time of the trade. This was one, Vernon Wells was one, and I forget the 3rd.
Kazmir was already dominating AA at age 20.
Zambrano had a career K/W of 1.29, a career FIP of 5.02, and a career WHIP of 1.491.
And, even with the inuries, Kaz still had a 55-44 with TB, with a 3.92 ERA and 114+ ERA+.
That would be the reverse of this scenario though. The Mets are getting the prospect but I see your point. Maybe the Mariners would take him for Kelenic and Dunn?? Too soon?
Make it worse. Syndergaard + Cano to the Mariners for -0-.
No one seems to want to say this, but Thor isn’t the guy he was a few years ago. He’s an injury prone pitcher who has regressed significantly over the past few years. His strikeouts are down. His xFIP and ERA are up. It would take a scout’s eye to see if a tweak can get him back to where he once was or if this just who he is now… If the Cubs had a trusted scout who believed he could return to what he was, then I’d be all for putting together a package around Amaya, who is going to be a top50 prospect when BA releases its 2020 list. But idk how much more Id give up around him.
PHILLIES
This, if legit, reeks of cheapness on the part of ownership. The Wilpons (rightly) had to make the offer to DeGrom, and after handing the team over to a charlatan like BVW, are panicking and wanting to save.
If Syndergaard were an FA this off-season he’d probably get 16m/yr for 5+ years, at least. Wheeler gets half that, if.
This has “ownership directive: save money” written all over it.
Syndergaard should cost San Diego Morejon, Urias, and Renfroe, but they will bungle it and get something like Ty France, Eric Layer and the ghost of Wil Myers’ successful years.
LOL Mets indeed.
Clint And Andujar for Thor!!!!!
Anybody else think Don Smith would be a perfect fit for the Rays ???
Thor to the Angels straight up for Addel ???
Yes to Dom Smith and the rays…
No to Thor to the Angels
The Rays don’t have a need for Dom Smith. They have their own 24 year old 1B, who’s a rookie and has basically the same line as Smith.
Brodie sending a fake story to the press in hopes he gets a bigger return for Wheeler.
It’s so obvious, this clown is so far out of his depth it’s comical.
Why in the world would wheeler sign an extension 2 months from free agency?
With that garbage organization no less.
Other GMs must laugh daily at this moron
Reds offer Hunter Greene, Tyler Mahle, Tyler Stephenson and Jose Siri
I had Winker, India, Herget and Gutierrez. That would send the Reds looking for a LF, but at this point all I hear is the Reds selling puig, wood, Roark and rp. I think a move like this doesn’t just set us up for a run to the playoffs for this year but also the next few years.
These teams need to look at the Dodgers, if they can’t come close to them they need to rebuild. The Mets are far from being a competitive team. They need to rebuild, trading Thor will help move them in the right direction.
The Dodgers would be a good trade partner how about Will Smith (C), either Pederson or Verdugo and May for Syndergaard and Familia (a change of scenery worked for him last year)
This helps the Mets in 3 of their problems C,Cf and a young starter. Than trade Frazier,Vargas and Ramos for Rp’s.
These teams need to look at the Dodgers, if they can’t come close to them they need to rebuild. The Mets are far from being a competitive team. They need to rebuild, trading Thor will help move them in the right direction.
I am all for the Mets trading thor….As long as it’s not to the twins, Indians, or athletics, as those are the contenders left on their schedule ( besides the Braves coming to Kansas City in September). Royals playing the Mets in August & He is the one pitcher we had trouble with in the World Series in ‘15.
I’m confused by this comment. What team are you talking about. It appears you’re a Royals fan but I’m not sure why any contenders left on your schedule would make any difference in a 60 win season?
Keston Hiura for Syndergaard?
Ik the Brewers are desperate, but Hiura only gets traded for a proven ace like DeGrom.
Royce Lewis
Brusdar Grateral
Any other pitcher in Twins system
Jordan Balazovic?
That’d be quite the haul for just Thor. I think those two are plenty for to headline.
Twins would not give any two of those three players for Thor. And I highly doubt even one of them would be offered. It’s no knock against Thor. The Twins are only likely to deal for someone that they can get for the two or three players that they won’t be able to protect in next year’s Rule 5 Draft. That’s it.
Never getting that from Twins for just Thor. Maybe Kirilloff, Alcala, and a couple lottery tickets. If you throw in another of the Twins top pitchers and Nick Gordon add Diaz into the trade.
I’m assuming the asking price is based on years of control left ? Hasn’t he only had 1 solid year ?
Watch Wheeler not sign until June because he overestimated his market Hee Hee!
I would love for Minnesota to get Thor. He’s the pitcher this franchise has always wanted and needed but never had. He and Berrios would be a nice 1-2 punch. I don’t know if I would give up Kiriloff for him though, I guess I would but that guy can flat out hit! Mets would love that young bat for sure. He’s also very close as he dominated every league he saw this year. Legit.
May, Ruiz, Downs, + another decent prospect. What you think Dodgers & Mets fans?
Hell yea from a Mets fan… Dodgers don’t think will do that tho
I figure since syndergaard is still relatively young, he can fill the role that May was going to play in the Dodgers organization. Smith can be the future backstop, and Downs is blocked by Seager. The last prospect can be a throw-in.
This is exactly the package I was thinking about that’s actually something the Mets wouldn’t be able to say no to but still keeping Lux.Losing May would hurt but you gotta give to get.The other guy would be Garlic or something else of that nature
Puk, Barreto, Neuse, Holmes, Profar and Jefferies for Thor, Vargas and Lowrie.
I would only go 1 sp, not both Jeffries and Holmes
A 40 FV SP shouldn’t be a sticking point when acquiring a legitimate TOR starter.
Reds if they csn get Mets to go for package around India… He is 40th now but will be top 30 by next year and they can give very good secondary pieces…
Nolan Gorman and some guys for Syndergaard???
Too injury prone to take the risk imo. Then again with the right organization he could turn things around. Almost everyone was getting injuries with the Mets season after season which is baffling. Another commentor had a great question: Why would Wheeler not try free agency? If I were him or his agent I would definitely take a shot at it. The Mets would have to be willing to shell out some serious dough with opt-out clauses and incentives galore.
Syndergaard could be good out of the bullpen though.
As much as I want him in Minnesota, I really doubt the Twins land him after the comments made by Pohlad and Falvey. Besides, the Padres, Astros, and Dodgers are much better suitors anyways.
I think it would take a bit more than a top 30 prospect and pieces.
What are “pieces” that’s extremely vague. That could mean a lot.
Highly doubt the Mets do either
With the social media talk of writers and such I think it’s safe to say that he’s traded to the Braves or Yankees at this point. They have several scouts all over the place in both org. I just hope cashman or aa aren’t dumb enough to overpay.
I could see the Twins or Padres going after and getting Thor. Both have minor league depth and MLB ready pitching. Thor could be dominate in a pitchers park like Petco
Twins: Kirilloff, Smeltzer, and Gordon
Padres: Morejon, Reed, and Munoz
Hypothetically speaking , I believe a trade of Syndergaard would be a little less than the return in the Chris Sale trade.
Sale was 27 when he was traded. He had 147 career starts with a career ERA of 3.00.
Syndergaard is 26 and, at this point in the seasons has career 106 starts with a career ERA of 3.21.
Syndergaard did miss almost an entire season in 2017 which explains the lack of starts and also some concern.
I’m not saying that the Mets should or would get as much as the ChiSox did but it does seem reasonable that they get a clubs top prospect +.
The question is will BVW take the deal?
Sale had one more year of control and showed a higher level of dominance than Syndegard has.
Like I said, Sale was better hence why they got a better return.
Whoever gets Thor would be getting the rest of this year plus 2 more before he’s a FA.
But I don’t think they’ll be similar at all, I am fairly certain that NY will not be receiving anyone close to Wander, Mize, or Adel. Also, prospects have somehow become even more valuable since the trade.
I believe it’s fair to say that the return should be 3 prospects in a teams top 30. The best match for them is probably the Astros whose top prospects are blocked on the MLB roster.
A better and more recent trade comp is James Paxton. He was traded this past offseason with 2 seasons of control remaining. Paxton’s season last year was significantly better than Syndergaard’s season this year. Paxton was also better in the 3 seasons leading up to his trade than Thor has been over the previous 3 years. Two years of James Paxton returned an MLB ready FV 55 SP, a 45 MLB ready SP and an older, low level OF prospect. This is more likely the type of return that Syndergaard gets than multiple top 100 prospects that many here suggest. A top 50, a FV 50, and FV 45 or maybe FV 50 is what I expect a trade of Syndergaard to look like.
I disagree with the Paxton being better statement. He missed way more games due to injury and only started 24 games+ in two seasons.
Paxton has missed less time than Thor. In the 3 years before being traded Paxton made 72 starts and 417 IP. He ended up on the DL/IL 5 times over the 3 years before being traded. Syndergaard has made 64 starts and thrown 383 IP over the past 3 years and has been on the DL/IL 4 times in that span.
Where are you getting your stats from? You aren’t even close to being correct.
From 2014-2019, Paxton pitched in 115 games over 644 innings.
2015-2019
From 2015-2019 Syndegaard pitched in 106 games over 645 innings.
Paxton was 29 when he a traded. Syndegaard is 26.
Paxton isn’t even close to being on the same level as Syndegaard.
I see reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit, but if you try again it was the past 3 years for Thor and the 3 years before Paxton was traded. That means 2016-2018 for Paxton and basically mid season 2016-current for Syndergaard. Whatever happened 4, 5 or 6 years ago is irrelevant. If it mattered players like Aaron Sanchez would still have huge value since he won an ERA crown as a 23 year old back in 2016 looked like one of the top young pitchers in baseball. Unfortunately for him and the Blue Jays, many things change over the years for players. Even young ones.
Lopez for Thor.
If they are trading Diaz and Syndergaard, then move Degrom as well.
They may be positioned to do well, there are so few sellers right now, not a lot of starting pitching, and every buyer wants to add.
Trade all 3, and Wheeler too, along with the pending free agents. If some team is looking for a young 1b and has a similarly valued piece who plays CF or pitches, trade him too.
Next year is shot. Best case scenario, Lowrie and Cespedes play well enough that they can be moved mid-season for something useful and cheap.
2021 they’ll have money to spend, and if they make the right acquisitions now they’ll have at least a few young pieces to add to Alonos and McNeil as a young core.
Angels trade Simmons for Syndergaard.
Genius move dealing for Cano and paying him $60 million and Diaz Mets. Ridiculous