A trade involving Mets right-hander Noah Syndergaard doesn’t look imminent – it may not even be likely – but he is garnering interest from teams in need of starting pitching, Jon Morosi of MLB.com reports. Although the Mets are not soliciting offers for Syndergaard, the Brewers are “monitoring” him and teammate Zack Wheeler (previously reported), according to Morosi. Meanwhile, Syndergaard has “intrigued” some members of the Astros organzation.
The Mets are 40-50 and seemingly on track to deal veterans by the July 31 trade deadline, yet this may not be the ideal time to sell Syndergaard. While he produced dominant results when healthy from 2015-18, Syndergaard hasn’t been nearly as great this season. So far in 2019, the 26-year-old has registered a career-worst ERA (4.68), FIP (3.98), xFIP (4.22), strikeout rate (8.6 K/9) and swinging-strike percentage (11.9) over 105 2/3 innings.
Syndergaard, to his credit, certainly hasn’t posted bad numbers this season; he also continues to fire heat in the 98 mph range. Beyond that, Syndergaard has his pre-2019 track record working in his favor – not to mention a team-friendly contract that would likely help lead to major interest from playoff hopefuls and non-contenders alike. Syndergaard is on a $6MM salary this year and comes with another two seasons of arbitration control.
The Mets entertained trading Syndergaard last winter, but rookie general manager Brodie Van Wagenen – the hurler’s ex-agent – kept him in hopes of contending this year. The offseason moves Van Wagenen did make haven’t panned out to this point, though, which has put some extra pressure on him to “win” a potential Syndergaard trade, Morosi hears. Regardless, it would take a sizable return – likely a package including a major league-ready starter, per Morosi – for the struggling club to say goodbye to Thor this month.
Hey if any team out there has some old, washed up lazy dude who’s got a contract that will kill the team for years the Mets are looking for guys like that. Just call 1-800 Hey Brodie.
take a couple of expiring ones? harvey and cahill?
Great! So, wil Myers for Thor?!
Hey if any team out there has some old, washed up lazy dude who’s got a contract that will kill the team for years the Mets are looking for guys like that. Just call 1-800 Hey Brodie.
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How about Cano-Lowrie-Familia for Sydnergaard? Whoops, same team.
But imagine if had traded Syndergaard over the winter? You’d not only have the, say, three top prospects for Sndergaard, you’d also have Kelenic & Dunn, and an extra ~ $40M in spending money.
OTOH, had the NYMs made the trade, they wouldn’t have been a contender, and probably would’ve finished 4th.
They are gonna finish 4th anyways….they aren’t better than the Phils, Nats, or Braves
This is like when you read an article and think it’s satire/from the Onion, and then you realize that the team you support is so inept that it is not only accurate, but it likely describes the likeliest outcome.. Until Brodie can demonstrate that he can make a trade that is favorable to the Mets, he deserves to be questioned about his decisions. I mean the Cano deal…UGH! Cano had a full NTC, only wanted to play in NYC, and Brodie still got put over a barrel. Going off of that, I’d expect him to move Syn for Wil Myers or similar negative value contract that will add to the Cano albatross money.
The Mets can have Tyler White
Verlander-Cole-Thor is shutter inducing
Uh… like window shutter inducing? Was this supposed to be shi*ter inducing? Lol
I figured shudder inducing but I like yours more.
Let me know how this unfolds; gotta take a shut.
Meant shudder
Too late.
Shut up.
Unless somebody gets on base, then look out.
Mets should try and get Kyle Tucker plus for Syndergaard
Why would the Astros do that? Thor has averaged about 22 starts a year in his first 4 seasons because of injuries and is struggling this season. Tucker is probably far higher return than the Mets will get when they trade him.
Maybe something headed by Bukauskas with a MLB player like Marisnick that fills a immediate need for the Mets in CF and a couple of other good prospects like Bielak (RHP in AAA) or Solomon (RHP in high A) and Straw (OF who has had a cup of coffee in majors this season).
Come on man, Thor is one of the most talented pitchers in baseball.
Talent is one thing. Actually finishing seasons without missing 10 starts is another. He has been hurt every season. This season he has made every start so far and is struggling. Which is the real guy? The one that is hurt every year but pitches well or the healthy one that has a 4.68 ERA? Either way he is not worth more than what I have laid out. Bukauskas, Marisnick, Bielak, and Straw is a very nice return.
Yeah you must not pay attention to trade deadlines, if Houston gets syndergaard there’s is no doubt the Mets get tucker, marisnick/straw is Juan Lagares
Marisnick has been much better than Lagares and is free of bad contract but rest of what you say is right, he would bring a haul of Tucker and much more, might need Whitley. They won’t deal him don’t think, maybe deGrom.
Thor is extremely overrated as a starter. He can throw extremely hard, but teams are still hitting him, not to mention running all over him.
I can see Thor evolving into a dominant closer if he is willing to go that route, but his ego may prevent that.
As he is now, Thor is a solid #3, but he’s no ace.
There is no way a package being headlined by the #97 overall rated prospect (MLB pipeline) gets Thor. Look at similar trade packages for past pitchers, that’s what the Mets will do.
Prior to this year, he’s been ace material. This year it seems everyone is hitting HRs, and he’s been impacted by it. I wouldn’t base a half season towards his overall work, and because of his age and controllability, that makes him just as attractive. Tucker and Whitley would do it in my book, with the Mets possibly throwing in a role player or reliever.
Although when people talk about Boyd from the tigers they make the opposite argument.
If Syndergaard had been healthy, it probably would have taken the Astros 2 of their top 3 prospects, another top 10 and 1-2 other top 20s.
Bukauskas isn’t going to be the headliner in the conversation; he’s one of the nice pieces which get added to sweeten the deal.
Your proposal is more ridiculous than most of the Padres fans’ Wil Myers offers earlier this year.
You won’t get both, you wouldn’t have gotten both if Syndergaard was still pitching like an ace. Tucker is possible because if the Astros depth there, but Noah’s season so far is going to hurt his trade value substantially.
We’re not the ones making the trade. If Syndergaard was still pitching to his potential, he would bring something similar to the Chris Sale offer. None of the Astros top prospects are better than either of the two prospects the Red Sox traded.
Yoan Moncada – arguably #1 prospect in MLB to start 2017
Michael Kopech – Top 10 prospect for 2017
Luis Alexander Basabe – Red Sox top 10
Victor Diaz – borderline top 20
Want a cheap, young, ace starter under team control for 2+ years? You’re going to pay an enormous sum. Syndergaard’s value has fallen off, but he would still (right now) cost whomever the Mets thought was the Astros top prospect, 2 more of their top 10 and another top 20 or something AWFULLY similar to that.
If Houston doesn’t want to pay that, and I don’t blame them for being squimesh, but the Mets don’t bite for less. They will get something similar from somebody if the Mets are serious.
A couple of differences
* Kopech had not yet entered the elite. He was ranked ~ #30 pre-2017.
* The WS would only be getting getting 2 years 2 months, instead of 3 full years.
* Thor is quite good, but Sale was HOF bound at the time of the trade. He had 5 years finishing in the top-6 in C.Y. voting, and a total fWAR in those five years of 26.7. Syndergaard has only one top-8 in CY voting, and only two good seasons so far. I would describe it as Thor’s ceiling being about the same as Sale’s floor back then.
OTOH, I’m not keen on Tucker. His minor league K/W is 2:1, which is not elite in the minors. And his K% is .24 this year. He’s got talent, but I am not sure he’s a lock.
Good points Joe. I do have to bring this up, something to ponder….
– Although Sale is/was obviously the superior pitcher, does the weight of the deal differ depending on the number of teams actively seeking said pitcher? Also, does it matter if it’s at the deadline versus the offseason?
Less the latter, but if there are a few teams jumping in on Syndergaard there will be one team upping the ante to force another team’s hand. Suddenly that trade becomes bigger than we realize. Then it becomes a bidding war depending on the supply and demand.
Sure there is. a doubt. The Mets aren’t getting Tucker.
I’m not sure. I think the trading deadline brings out more teams because some of these teams probably never thought they had a chance. I’m sure teams like AZ, Cincy, SD, etc., thought they’d be okay, but not likely within a few games of the playoffs.
Just from my perspective, as a RS fan, if struggle at all post-ASG, I’d be calling SD and telling them that Betts is a once in a lifetime opportunity, and would put them in the playoffs.
True or not, I think Preller and ownership won’t be capable of dismissing the thought.
tucker Valdez and bukauskas for thor
Deal!
The Mets should probably take that if it’s on the table. Tucker is a blue chip prospect. Valdez is probably a #4 starter and Bukauskas is a fringe top 100 guy. That’s pretty good value for Thor at this point.
I’d say it’s excellent value and it’ll easily be the top offer.
as an Astros fan I feel like this would be a bigger overpay than Hader, Phillips, and Houser for Carlos Gomez.
I really hope we don’t move Tucker or Whitley at all. we have such a deep system, we don’t need to move them.
I see how it might be an overpay but Syndergaard seems to be their best option. They’ve got to add a pitcher they can trust in October. Hes still only 26 and still has 2.5 more years left. He fits the mold so well for Houston I can see him comeback as a shutdown ace like JV/Cole. They’ll owe about $3 mill plus 2 abritations years which wont get too pricey bc of his injury history. Not to mention this leaves them in an okay spot if, god forbid, cole walks. Ideally tucker, Whitley and Alvarez are not in any trade talks but of those 3 I see tucker as the most expendable considering the depth they have in the outfield
can’t hold everyone forever – Alvarez makes Tucker more available to upgrade the staff. Mets aren’t compelled to deal Thor so it would take Astros ‘overpaying’ ever so slightly to get him.
Yeah probably true, although we need to be defining overpaying as paying more than somewhere between the pitcher he’s been in the past and the awfulness he’s been all season. Plus the injuries. Tucker and some side stuff would be an enormous victory for the Mets.
Maybe Houston gives the Mets a Beer and C Perez for Syndergaard .
Please, add Carlos Correa.
Thats not happening
I wouldn’t deal Syndergaard to the Brewers if I were BVW. I don’t know what they’re going to give them back. Turang is a very good prospect but other than that I don’t see any top guys down there. I have to imagine they’d be better off calling the Padres and trying to pry away 2 of their top 10 guys. Milwaukee has probably one of the bottom 3 farms for playoff contending teams. I can’t see it. I guess they could take a guy like Corbin Burnes back as well but his stock is in the toilet and it ought to take a lot more than just Turang and Burnes.
Pads were interested last winter and could offer an MLB-ready starter…
I think the Pads will be sellers. But they are loaded with prospects so the Mets should entertain if the Pads are still interested.
You don’t sign Hosmer and Machado and sell
Unless you could sell Hosmer.
That would be a prefect scenario. Everyone else here that is offering their predictions fails to realize that the Mets are weakest at GM.
What makes anyone think that this former agent/sales person knows what good players are in each team’s depth roster and how to negotiate without being stripped of his clothing again?
I wonder what White Sox GM Rick Hahn might offer the Mets in a potential trade for Noah Syndergaard and his 2-1/2 years of arbitration control? I wouldn’t mind seeing Syndergaard and “clone” Michael Kopech in the White Sox rotation for at least 2020 and 2021 along with Lucas Giolito, Dylan Cease and rehabbing Carlos Rodon at some point late next season.
Syndergaard already has the “Thor” tag so maybe Kopech can become “Loki”. If that doesn’t fly, perhaps Kopech can become Thor’s “Hammer”.
The White Sox already had a Burr/Hamilton duo in the bullpen until each succumbed to season ending surgeries last month. While Ryan Burr and Ian Hamilton showed some promise in the pen, a Syndergaard/Kopech tandem could be outright “godly”!
Well since you’re ruling Dunning out of your rotation mix I’m going to say he’ll have to be included in the Thor package. I don’t know that the secondary pieces the ChiSox have beyond that are very enticing though. Obviously they aren’t moving Madrigal. Blake Rutherford and Alec Hansen’s value are in the toilet. I don’t see them matching up personally. I can’t see a dunning + package not getting outbid.
It would be difficult to see Dane Dunning included in an “imminent” trade considering he is in the early stage of rehabbing from his own TJ surgery this past March. Like Carlos Rodon, Dunning won’t be getting any game action until sometime next summer. Unlike Rodon, that would likely occur at AA or AAA. Even with a full recovery and good results, Dunning doesn’t figure to see his MLB debut until 2021.
I can’t fathom the Mets trading Syndergaard without another pitcher going back in any package deal. I don’t see the White Sox parting with any of the trio mentioned before, Kopech, Cease or Giolito. I also believe that top positional prospects CF Luis Robert and 2B Nick Madrigal are going nowhere along with LF Eloy Jimenez and 3B Yoan Moncada. I can envision Hahn including SS Tim Anderson in the right package but the Mets are already set at that position with Amed Rosario.
Perhaps the White Sox might budge on one of their elite young players or prospects if a Syndergaard deal also involved an impact lefty bat coming back like Jeff McNeil. Otherwise, the Mets can have their pick from among the White Sox top prospects beyond their top-4 or perhaps a young pitcher or two on the active roster like Reynaldo Lopez, Aaron Bummer or Jace Fry.
Amed Rosario is the worst defender at SS in the big leagues.
Also, you aren’t getting Thor for spare parts lol
The Mets wouldn’t trade McNiell in any scenario. He and Alonso are the only reason to watch the team at the moment. They are going to build around them.
Then let’s revisit the Cub-Mets rumors from last offseason that centered around 3B Kris Bryant and Syndergaard. Each player has an identical amount of arbitration control remaining.
The Mets could use a third baseman and a right-handed bat to balance out a lineup full of lefty hitters in their OF and at 2B with Robinson Cano. The Cubs can use an impacting starting pitcher with Cole Hamels an impending free agent following this season along with Jose Quintana a potential one with a team option for 2020. Jon Lester isn’t getting any younger either.
Theo Epstein threatened to shake things up on the Cubs roster if the team doesn’t play better in the second half. I can’t see a more impacting way to do it with a Bryant for Syndergaard trade by the July 31st deadline. Bryant isn’t a lock to sign a contract extension with Scott Boras as his agent and the Cubs also have options to plug in at 3B like David Bote.
Bryant is infinitely more valuable than Syndergaard. Syndergaard has a mid 4 ERA and a FIP right around 4. No shot on planet Earth that happens. Bryant is an easy 5+ win star. If there was any chance of that happening in February there’s zero chance now. Bryant had just come off a garbage season which is probably the only reason that was even tossed around.
Yeah, that was nonsense to begin with, but people forget it seems that Syndergaard has been awful all season.
So now you want Syn AND McNeil (leading MLB in hitting, all-star, 5(?) years of control…at the league minimum? Good luck with that one….The Mets do that for Trout kind of talent, that is how absurd your trade is right now.
Only a Cubs fan would suggest that Kris Bryant is “infinitely more valuable” than Noah Syndergaard. I also wrote that those reports were “centered around” Bryant and Syndergaard, not necessarily a straight one-for-one swap.
Btw: If you want to cherry pick stats to devalue Syndergaard there are some that could do likewise for Bryant including his career RISP numbers along with his less than overwhelming clutch RISP with two outs. Those numbers get even worse in late game situations.
Some Cubs fans need to lay off the blue Kool-Aid!
I’m not cherry picking stats nor do I root for the cubs. That’s a clown statement to suggest Syndergaard and Bryant are on the same level today. It’s just not true. And if you think that is true then the White Sox certainly aren’t getting him without Robert. Cherry picking would be what you did with Bryant. Thor’s ERA and FIP are literally from this year. That’s not his ERA on a rainy Tuesday night on the road…..He has a mid 4 ERA this year. I can’t possibly see how you could say that’s cherry picking.
Nor is suggesting the Mets should give up additional prospects for Bryant by dealing Syndergaard. I don’t even believe they have prospects valuable enough to make up the difference. I think that may have been a rumor in February but it’s firmly dead in July given the Mets performance and the performance of the two of them.
The Metropolitans should trade Syndergaard away with the remainder of Bobby Bonilla’s contract. 2 birdz 1 ztone. Juicy
Haha. You are HILARIOUS. Thank you for such BRILLIANT insight. And might I say, what a sexy human you are being to me! The most by far!
I’m schizophrenic and so am I?
Don’t think the Mets will trade any pitchers besides Wheeler now.
He is the only pitcher I have ever heard of that said his goal was to throw as hard as he possibly could on every single pitch this season. That’s not a pitcher. He’s just a thrower. I knew then he was going to have a sub par season.
Lol
I’m thinking Thor in a straight swap for Alex Reyes. Cardinals need to compete this year and next then rebuild after.
Ha. Yeah that’s not going to happen. Reyes only has a year less of big league service time than Thor. Reyes can’t throw strikes in AAA. At one point he was looking like he was going to be an absolute stud but at this point he’s looking like a reliever. No way he’s headlining a Thor deal.
That sounds like a horrible idea for the Mets. No way you put all your eggs in that injury riddled basket.
BVW can’t afford the backlash of dealing Thor along with losing Wheeler after the season. It would leave the rotation decimated and he’s proclaimed a vision of contending in 2019. Market is flooded with #2 type starters and at this point Thor’s recent performance doesn’t warrant an Ace type return. Best bet is to deal Wheeler for ancillary bullpen arms on a contender that can immediately vie for innings in Flushing. Let Noah rebound in 2020 and if not contending in a Yr look to trade one of the most talented young right handers on the planet.
Only offer id find compelling and worth deviating from this philosophy on would be Astros outfield prospect Kyle Tucker, another top 10 prospect in the Stros System plus ancillary bullpen arms. My main concern on Tucker is he projects more as a right fielder than CF type.
Thor to the Braves (won’t happen) would also be intriguing in a deal centered on Christian Pache (I’m enamored with his talent).
sorry but Syndergaard isn’t worth Tucker, another top 10 (I’m assuming you mean Whitley) and MLB level bullpen help. He has been very underwhelming to this point of his career given the amount of talent he has. On a separate note, Lunhow vs. Brodie is not a fair fight and I can’t see Brodie walking away from that one in good shape.
Syndergaard isn’t worth Tucker?
Career stats:
3.23ERA 121 ERA+, 2.88FIP, 1.157WHIP, and 9.7 k/9.
Baseball reference lists these as the most comparable pitchers at age 25 to Syn:
Gerrit Cole (992.4)
Stephen Strasburg (978.6)
David Palmer (980.7)
Sonny Gray (976.8)
I think Gerrit Cole is a good comparison and he was traded after his age 26 season with 2 years of control remaining. Take a look at the return and that will tell you that Syndergaard probably isn’t worth Tucker. Another good comparison for a recent trade would be Paxton. If you look at that return, the trade was headlined by a lesser player than Tucker also.
Pache alone more valuable than Syndergaard. However, Syndergaard, McNeil and Conforto for Pache and Anderson might fly.
BVW can’t afford the backlash of dealing Thor along with losing Wheeler after the season
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The question you need to ask is, are you going to compete next year? Most of the guys the NYMs have aren’t going to perform better next year. If you cannot compete next year, you might as well tank this year.
As a Brave fan we don’t want Thor. We got enough young pitching to be giving up young controllable OFers for a SP like him would be counter productive at this point.
This needs to happen. Mets need to sell off everyone but McNeil and Alonso to really start building a competitive team in the future. They aren’t winning this year or next so why keep these guys ? Their arbitration raises are going to be significant next year and they already have 75million tied up Degrom, Cano and Cespedes for 2020.
No doubt this is the correct senario; however, it would cost BVW his job. Now a mini-rebuild that sheds the dead money by getting Cano, Cespedes, Vargas, Familia and Ramos off the books ($170 million 2020-2024) would allow rebuilding the Mets and save Brodie. Mets fans are smart so they would see the value in this move and time would take care of the other mistakes.
The issue is, how can this be done? It will take package deals using deGrom, Syndergaard, Wheeler, Conforto and maybe other high risidual value players being traded as well. The Mets shouls package Familia, Cano, Cespedes and Cash with deGrom as a start. Jacob is the crown jewel so teams may be willing to take on over a $100 million is dead money to get him with a pay down of deferred money.
Ramos and Vargas will need to be paired with another high residual value player to move them, either Alonso, McNeil or Conforto. Maybe either Vargas or Ramos can be moved with Syndergaard and save a positive asset.
This is it! No other way to put the Mets on the right track and save the GM team both. The alternative is four years of more losses than wins.
why the hell would we trust the idiot who got us in this Cano mess to get proper value trading away the other assets? Why would we want to save his job? The only sensible plan has to start with Wilpon eating Brodie’s contract and getting somebody who understands talent/value. Dump Brodie and the possibility to package Cano opens up. That idiot won’t do it.
It’s also ridiculous to suggest that they need to pair a premium asset to unload Vargas and/or Ramos. Vargas is a FA – it’s a sunk cost already. Ramos can DH and part time catch in AL- he has a market on his own.
CAno is the problem because he clogs up the lineup and prevents McNeil from playing where he should.
oh BTW – how smart does acquiring Cano now look based on Manfred’s comments about adding the DH? Brodie! – Brodie! – Brodie!
Vargas isn’t even that bad. Somebody looking for rotation help would likely take him for nothing but salary relief.
Just give Thor, Diaz, and Degrom away to any team willing to eat Cano, Cespedes, Familia, and a couple decades of Bobby Bonilla day. Try to convince them that Bobby Bonilla day is a good thing. Like their own private national holiday or something.
Noah is pretty much Cole when he was with the Pirates. The team that trades for him will probably get a better version of him.
I love how everyone is throwing a bunch of crap at the Mets for Syndergaard. If he’s moved, he’s going for a huge package.
…but if Dane Dunning somehow gets it done. Lmao
Mets can’t make the same mistake(s) they made with Wheeler and DeGrom. Figure out where you want to be in 2-3 years and decide if Thor is part of the future. If not, time to deal.
I’d like to see the Mets try Syndergaard in the bullpen. If this guy can just unleash for an inning or two I think he’d be really effective.
Syndergaard for tucker Perez and bukaukas
Degrom and lugo for gore patino and morejon
Conforto and Wheeler for pache and allard
have any of that sweet sweet ganj left?
Gore, Patino AND morejon? that’s comical
Cionel Perez, Bukauskus, Miles Straw, and Tony Kemp for Syndergaard. That is quite a haul…
need a premium talent in there like Tucker. Not taking a bunch of maybe guys.
Tony kemp is garbage
“Intrigued”…”monitoring”…the usual meaningless clickbait I’ve come to expect from MLBTR at this time of year. If their writers name 20 teams who are “intrigued” by this trade or that trade, they can never be wrong. “You read it here first”…wait for it.
Trade thor to the astros. Let them sprinkle their fairy dust on him and he becomes a cy young candidate.
Thor would thrive in a Brewers uniform. Think he needs to get out of NY. The Mets are a curse. Its going to take a boat load to get him, but the team control makes it worth it.
I’ll Trade him back to the Jays for VLAD JR.
Jays hang up and laugh for weeks.
While this is clearly hyperbole….yes, as a met fan you do this every day of the week. If only…
This seems like a time for Dave dombrowski to trade chavis for Thor. Hard throwing pitcher for his young prospect.
The Cardinals have the major League ready pitcher to trade for Noah. Plus, they have the other pieces that would be involved in a trade for him. What the Cardinals need is 2 Ace starters…a right hander and a left hander. Bullpen will be fine. The Cardinals need to trade Wong to a team starved for second base defense. Trade Tyler O’Neil to a team looking for a Young Outfielder with big time power potential. The main trade they need to make is obvious!!! By depleting not the Double A and Triple A teams talents down to also ran teams in their leagues. Obtaining too many player which has turned out to be dead money. For trading away all of the good Cardinals players who are currently starting for other playoff contending teams, and for mandating his poor contracted player signing start every day……. Trade President of Baseball Operations John Mozeliak for 2 cups of Coffee. The Cardinals will save MILLIONS on that move!!!
If the Brewers can get any decent starting pitcher without giving up Hiura or Dubon, I’m all for it.
Brewers can start with saladino as a throw in.
The Mets should be shopping the hell out of Syndergaard. If nothing else, they need to know if they can get a team to bite on his previous success and the peripherals this year. Even if Noah pitches well the rest of the year, that effort comes at the cost of control time so he needs to pitch so well he offsets the decreased value from the loss of of contract control.
He’s not gonna approve a trade to Milwaukee. Houston, Yankees Cubs, dodgers sure. no way he goes to Milwaukee unless give up 5 prospects including Keston Hiura
He won’t approve a trade to ANY team unless there is compensation for his agent. That’s all no trade clauses are – contractual leverage.
EVERY pitcher’s stats are up this year, so this is a terrible argument. One article posts “trade him now” and the next states to wait. Rumor board needs to feature more rumors and fewer opinions.
Syndergaard is a #3 at best. Forget his “stuff”, his head isn’t geared for #1 status. If a contender runs him out there as their #4 or #5, he will be a major plus and a major factor out of the bullpen in the post season. He has majorly disappointed as a #2, but that doesn’t mean that he can’t still be a solid pitcher. He’s about to turn 27, so plenty of time for a pitching coach to influence him – if he lets him.
A guy with a 3.2 career era is a 3 at best? And Severino with a 3.5 is an “ace”. On no team would he be a 5
Syndergaard is an emotionless machine. Just once I’d like to see him get pissed, pitch inside, knock someone down, etc. Every major league hitter under 35 can hit the fastball. Hitters are teeing off on everyone because no one commands the inside corner anymore. Who is going to charge him on the mound?
After reading these comments, I think Mets fans are going to be very disappointed if Syndergaard ends up getting traded. A good comparison for a potential Thor trade would be Paxton, who was just traded this past offseason. Paxton was coming off of a better season and was traded for Sheffield who was a 55 FV and borderline top 50 prospect and 2-45 FV prospects.
I will be pissed if the Astros deal Alvarez, Tucker or Whitley for Thor. I’d say the only possible is Tucker but I hope not. A team will overpay, so Tucker would likely have to be part of the deal if the Astros are involved. I don’t want him though. He’s always injured. I don’t want a pitcher in my team’s rotation if I can’t count on him being healthy.
Corbin Martin getting injured hurt the Astros dealing power. He probably would’ve been the headliner to an Astros deal if they are able to avoid dealing Tucker or Whitley.
Whitely injured as well. They are 100% not dealing Alvarez and unlikely to deal Tucker either although Pacific Coast league s HR stats especially with the juiced ball this year are very suspect.
Tucker won’t be traded.
Reddick is a great clubhouse guy but average, though dependable player.
He is also a free agent ( along with Brantley, Springer, and Marisnick) after the 2020 season.
Because of this, Tucker is the single most untouchable prospect in the Astros system.
You Met fans are pretty silly if you think Thor brings in more than the Pirates got for Cole. 3 good AAA guys that are decent major leaguers are what the Pirates got in return. The Mets are fools if they don’t take 22 year old Tucker with 6 years of team control straight up for him. That’s all it would take. In the alternative, they get 3 good AAA that project to decent/mediocre major leaguers like the Pirates got. Tony Kemp, Framber Valdez, Seth Beer is a reasonable alternative. 2 with 5 years of control, 1 with 6 and lots of minimum pay years in there for all 3. Team control and minimum pay years are incredibly valuable in this day and age in exchange for a guy set to make $25-$30 million in his next two arbitration years
Just because one team gets a weak return doesn’t mean that sets the standard.
You could just as easily use the Archer trade as a comparison.
Archer had 3 1/2 years on an extremely team friendly contract—$25 mil. for those 3 1/2 years locked up. Tucker is the #10 prospect in baseball—him and a throw in player will get the job done if the Astros want it, that’s Thor’s value, no one will make a better offer than that. You’ll see
Brewers offer – 2 kegs of that great pilsners taste & a bags of cheese curds
Mets – We accept.