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Fallout Notes After Gerrit Cole Signing: Blue Jays, Angels, Pettitte, Dodgers, Bumgarner

By TC Zencka | December 11, 2019 at 4:59am CDT

Much will come to light in the coming days now that the Yankees have officially given Gerrit Cole the largest deal in league history for a pitcher – but even now, mere hours from the revelation, the news is starting to sink in. The rest of the pitching market could unstick rather quickly, and the Blue Jays are having to factor in their new reality of having to face Cole four or five times a year for the next decade, writes Ben Nicholson-Smith of sportsnet.ca. Of course, what better way for Vlad Guerrero Jr., Bo Bichette and friends to push themselves to reach their massive potentials than by facing off with the best of the best. Of greater concern for Toronto is who will take the mound on their side in 2020. With the biggest names now off the board, interest will pick up for the next tier of free agent starters, guys like Hyun-Jin Ryu and Dallas Keuchel, in whom Toronto has shown interest. Those who missed out on Cole may up the ante for the next round, however, putting the Blue Jays’ realistic options more in the field of Tanner Roark, Rick Porcello, or Wade Miley. They could even lend a helping hand to the Yankees by taking back J.A. Happ if a prospect(s) came along with him. Let’s see what else folks are saying here in the wee hours of life in our bleak new post-Cole-sweepstakes reality…

  • The winners and losers of Cole’s mega contract are fairly obvious, but The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal makes the rounds anyway, starting with the Yankees – the biggest winners here (besides Cole and maybe Scott Boras) for finally reeling in their “white whale.” The Angels come away from the Cole saga disappointed, but it’s not all bad for the Halos. They have more need than could have been filled by Cole alone. As tantalizing a talent Cole is, they may be better off spreading their money around. Now that the Giants took Zack Cozart’s deal off their hands, they might have enough resources to buy a supporting cast for Mike Trout.
  • It’s easy to view the Yankees’ winning bid as a harkening back to the days of New York as the evil empire, but the reality is actually much more frightening, per The Athletic’s Marc Carig. He writes, “The Yankees are well-run, well-heeled and well-schooled in the art of reeling in the big fish.” True enough: this was no impulsive spending spree. The Yankees, like much of the league, have curbed their shopping addictions and learned to spend wisely. As a result, they should enter 2020 as favorites to win the American League. Oddly, for years it was expected that Bryce Harper and Manny Machado’s free agency would wake the dormant goliaths from their winter slumber, but it turned out to be Cole who not only made the notoriously judicious Andrew Friedman plead his case for the Dodgers, but who prompted the Yankees to shake off the rust and woo their western rival’s star player like the old days.
  • Speaking of: Andy Pettitte played a role in evangelizing on behalf of New York’s lifestyle benefits. He encouraged Cole about playing in New York as a benefit for his peace of mind, per Joel Sherman of the New York Post. Pettitte’s point was that Cole could focus himself on the task of winning titles, as the playoffs should be an annual guarantee (or at least strong possibility). Of course, the Dodgers and Astros could have made the same argument about their squads.
  • The Dodgers, it’s worth noting, made a real push for Cole. Among 324 million other reasons, however, Cole came away from his meeting with New York impressed with new pitching coach Matt Blake, who appealed to Cole’s interest in the intellectual side of the game, noted Carig. Of course, Cole also grew up a Yankees fan, which might have tipped the scale in the Yankees’ favor in a way that the Dodgers simply couldn’t answer. Now that the dust has settled, the Dodgers are moving on to the goal of convincing Madison Bumgarner to make the heel turn and join an already strong rotation in Chavez Ravine, tweets Rosenthal.
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  1. bigcheesegrilledontoast

    5 years ago

    9 years is a long time as a pitcher. In the short term Yankees could go on a run the next 3 years and win 3 championships.

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    • Nationals17

      5 years ago

      Not just a pitcher. 9 years is long for any player pushing 30 years old at the start of the contract.

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      • dimitrios in la

        5 years ago

        Correct. Like the Stanton and Harper and Machado deals this one looks bad from the beginning. I believe this gets the Yanks some titles (that’s the good part for them) but the number of years for a pitcher expected to perform at at the elite level is absurd.

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        • luckyh

          5 years ago

          “Some” titles make it worth it. Everyone is expecting the offense to be even better with fewer injuries next year. That’s not how it works. Splashes like these are at least fun to talk about and get us through the winter. We’ll see if this contract handcuffs them and they become budget conscious again in a few years. My guess is yes, especially with them shopping Happ. If they don’t win a ring in the first three years of this deal it will be a bust. I still think their critical error was the Stanton trade. They never should have done that. Just like Ells. They didn’t need him. Stack up the deals and they keep them from getting what they need. They needed an ace and now they have one.

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        • SaberSmuckers

          5 years ago

          He’ll be 37 a majority of his last season. Nine years is definitely a risk, but l don’t think it’s fair to compare this to him being 37-40 his last 3 years.

          It wouldn’t be out of the question for him to pitch well his last couple years. The Cano, Pujols and Cabrera deals looked bad from the start, this still has a chance.

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        • luckyh

          5 years ago

          @Saber I’d take Cano over Ells any day. If they would have kept him they would have been better off than what they did with Ells.

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        • fox471 Dave

          5 years ago

          Correct my math but if he is turning 30 this up coming season (in September) and it is a nine year contract, his final season will be 38. Verlander is 36 so there is hope. I am thinking Father Time will get to Mr. Cole long before his 38 season. Really happy fore the Cole family. Happier that the Dodgers did not get caught up in this craziness.

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        • fox471 Dave

          5 years ago

          Really happy for.

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        • Jim A.

          5 years ago

          Cano got a 10 year deal and the Yankees were already suspicious of his off the field activities- mostly his very close association with A-Rod and Melky Cabrera, guys the Yanks suspected were cheating. As it turns out, they were right. Also, the Yankees weren’t built as they are now back when Cano left, their farm system wasn’t quite producing the talent it has in the last three years.

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        • 24TheKid

          5 years ago

          They thought he was juicing so offered him $180 million? Yeah, I’m sure they knew.

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        • wordonthestreet

          5 years ago

          Well said Lucky

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        • KnicksFanCavsFan

          5 years ago

          Two different positions. They were right to nit match the M’s offer and they were wrong signing Ellis.

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        • SaberSmuckers

          5 years ago

          So would I, just meant Cole to Cano and the like not a fair comp.

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      • dimitrios in la

        5 years ago

        It will also be interesting to hear whether Cash and the front office advocated this deal, or whether it was just a mandate from ownership to get Cole no matter what.

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      • SaberSmuckers

        5 years ago

        He’ll be turning 30 in September, how is that pushing 30?

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        • Nationals17

          5 years ago

          Haha really? He will be 30 in just under 9 months. When your 29 and turning 30 in 9 months…..your pushing 30.

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        • wordonthestreet

          5 years ago

          He will be 30 in less than year. So he is 29 pushing 30. It is pretty simple.

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        • Boogaloo

          5 years ago

          Its just a pathetic attempt for yankee haters to make themselves feel better because they are so upset.

          Poor dears

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        • Nationals17

          5 years ago

          That’s what I thought as well.

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        • SaberSmuckers

          5 years ago

          That’s not how most people in the world view it.

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    • chino31

      5 years ago

      Revenue from the 3 championships will ease these worries of a 9 year deal

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      • bigrob

        5 years ago

        3 championships !!?? Lol, they havent won anything yet!! This team now has the most pressure of any team to win the world series in 2020 and they wont ! This is a ridiculous contract!! They will regret it just like the Stanton contract!

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        • Steven Juris

          5 years ago

          They didn’t agree to pay Stanton that kind of money, Florida did. They were stupid to acquire him, though.

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        • paddyo furnichuh

          5 years ago

          Rob Riggle? Or just have exclamations in common?

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      • Jock2854

        5 years ago

        Perhaps a great deal, too much money, Reds weren’t good but had Cole’s number and tagged him pretty well!, we’ll c how that many years pans out

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      • wordonthestreet

        5 years ago

        Sure if they get 3. So then you are saying if they do not get 3 then the signing is a bad one. I agree.

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    • amandafafi

      5 years ago

      Your dreamin little man
      TJ waiting to happen

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    • casorgreener

      5 years ago

      I agree 100%. I m not a Yankees fan but these boys about to be a problem.

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    • GDrank

      5 years ago

      I don’t understand why people act like the years in a contract are something the signing team has a ton of control over. As if say 300 million over 6 years would be reasonable or realistic (and yes, 50mil per year is the kind of AAV it would take to cut out so many years. Look at the Dodgers reported offer to bryce.) Years are what a player earns with his performance, just as they do with salary. If anything they’re much more invested in securing paydays for a longer time than bigger paydays for a shorter time. Cole earned at least 7 or 8 years with his performances and the way his market shaped up. There was little room for the yankees or anyone to maneuver there. Going to 9 doesn’t make the contract egregious when anything less than 7 was never an option

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      • wordonthestreet

        5 years ago

        GDrank. How does the signing team not have control of the signing years? All they have to do is say no.

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    • whynot 2

      5 years ago

      3 year run is a little unrealistic. You may have forgotten there are other teams out there trying to compete as well. Also, he is one piece to a starting staff that was by far their biggest weakness. He will make them better but the other pitches are not going to all of the sudden improve. Their biggest strength by far was the bullpen, but as we all have seen time and time again relievers have a hard time remaining highly effective year after year so it is no sure thing the bullpen will be as good as it had been in the past. Their offense is good but it can definitely be controlled by good pitching… so a 3 year run is hardly a given

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      • MoRivera 1999

        5 years ago

        whynot

        In addition to adding Cole, they will be adding Severino.

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      • KnicksFanCavsFan

        5 years ago

        If healthy Cole/Severino/Paxton/Tanaka/German is a great rotation. Happ will likely be dumped. Montgomery will likely be in AAA. I think they have a shot to be the best rotation from 1 to 5.

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    • pfunknut

      5 years ago

      This doesnt guarantee anything. What we do know is that is a bad deal. One loser in this signing is the yankees.

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      • dimitrios in la

        5 years ago

        Very well said.

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      • SaberSmuckers

        5 years ago

        Thanks for making such an intelligent comment.

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  2. spinach

    5 years ago

    Maybe they should’ve just signed Scherzer for 2/3 as much and had baseball’s best pitcher over the past five years.

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    • Mrivers

      5 years ago

      But we had Ellsbury!

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    • Jim A.

      5 years ago

      When Scherzer signed, the Yanks just weren’t that good and not really close to contending. His free agency came a little early for the Yankees. Cole’s FA was just a case of the right guy at the perfect time- the young guys are now in their mid-twenties and entering their prime, so the team looks ready to be a WS team for the next few seasons. If they win two titles with Cole, the contract is worth it. Baseball teams are filthy rich, I don’t care how much the Yanks paid Cole, I”m happy.

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  3. DarkSide830

    5 years ago

    as much as i dont like the Yankees, im just happy everyone was wrong about the Angels…and that they had to pay a boatload for him.

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    • Longball

      5 years ago

      I feel bad for Trout…guy is the best player I’ve ever watched (I’m 37) and he’s never going to sniff a championship.

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      • Killjoy391

        5 years ago

        That’s his fault though. He didn’t have to stay either time.

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        • fox471 Dave

          5 years ago

          Yeah that loyalty thing really got in Trout’s way.

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      • Ironman_4life

        5 years ago

        I wouldnt feel bad for a man who owns a lear jet

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        • Van4Stros

          5 years ago

          This!

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  4. Old User Name

    5 years ago

    To my fellow Yankees fans: How upset are you that the Yankees didn’t get Corbin last year?

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    • fits65

      5 years ago

      Who?

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      • fits65

        5 years ago

        Corbin ain’t no Cole

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        • chicagofan1978

          5 years ago

          That’s true, Corbin is a champion

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        • sufferforsnakes

          5 years ago

          Drops mic…..

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        • fits65

          5 years ago

          No, more like Corbin played on a championship team.

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    • BuckarooBanzai

      5 years ago

      Even if we’re using 20/20 hindsight, including all the armchair analytics imaginable, not only wouldn’t that salary mean a championship right now but it would’ve taken some serious number crunching to be able to make this kind of offer to Cole that told out her suitors “Come Big or Stay Home”

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      • BuckarooBanzai

        5 years ago

        “… other suitors …”

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    • Eatdust666

      5 years ago

      Meh, I really don’t care, because even though I would loved to have Corbin, they couldn’t have signed Cole if they get him.

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      • Old User Name

        5 years ago

        That was my point.

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    • Mikel Grady

      5 years ago

      Corbin who won a World Series while Astros had Cole for 2 years and didn’t ? Baseball is a long 162 game season where anything can happen. Will Yankees continue to be savages again in regular season only to strike out at bat after at bat in playoffs ?

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    • SaberSmuckers

      5 years ago

      Your sarcasm is lost on many.

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      • Old User Name

        5 years ago

        yep

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  5. AtlSoxFan

    5 years ago

    Bumgarner is an inferior pitcher than Price in era+, fip, and, as imperfect as war is for a pitcher, war/appearance.

    It will be interesting to see where the market values madbum as a baseline to consider how much cash needs to be paid down on Price’s deal should a trade not happen before the signing.

    I’d think about7/8m per year makes up for the risk, and, stagger it for red sox CBT benefit sake – include 5m 2020, 8m 2021, and 11m 2022 so long as there is some value coming back from the other way

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    • fits65

      5 years ago

      Price’s elbow negates any value going the other way. It’s simply a transaction of “I will take him off your hands. You pay down enough salary for me to afford the insurance premiums”.

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    • macstruts

      5 years ago

      Good, then you must want to keep price.

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      • fits65

        5 years ago

        I hope that the Red Sox do keep Price because nobody else wants him. The best part for me is that his elbow hurts each time that there is a series against the Yankees, whether he chickens out or is on the mound.

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  6. sadosfan

    5 years ago

    Yankees can not stand not having the most expensive contracts in the league. It was Stanton then now Garrett Cole.
    How many times will they get burned before they learn?
    Garrett will have a few good years but then it will come crashing down.

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    • Nationals17

      5 years ago

      Not just the Yankees. Most teams get burned by 7+ year contracts that pay a player top dollar into their late 30’s. I thought this may have changed a bit with the last 2 off seasons but apparently not.

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    • AtlSoxFan

      5 years ago

      You don’t remember Teixeira was underwater the last couple years of his deal.

      You remember Tiexiera came to town and NY won the WS.

      If NY wins a WS during the contract you’re a happy camper. If NY wins more than one the signing goes down as one of the teams best moves in history regardless of the last couple years. If NY doesn’t win a single WS next decade you scratch your head about what went wrong and xray Yankee Stadium for more Ortiz jerseys

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      • Old User Name

        5 years ago

        True

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      • DarkSide830

        5 years ago

        its not that simple. you cant just justify every move simply because a team won a world series.

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        • BuckarooBanzai

          5 years ago

          Well, to be fair, if there can be finger pointing and mocking when it doesn’t win/appear in a WS then the opposite must hold true

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        • jayspoon

          5 years ago

          I disagree completely. Us Yankee fans want titles. We have owners that want to please the fans

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        • DarkSide830

          5 years ago

          im not going to say you dont, i just think that every contract must be rationalized. all championship teams have some contract that hasnt been entirely worth it for them, and sometimes a guy helps you win a championship, but his contract is prohibitive later. i get championships trump all, but sometimes you have to wonder if you could have paid someone else to help your run the same but that also doesn’t burden your team later.

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        • fits65

          5 years ago

          Yes Jay AND our owners avoided the wasteful free agent signings the past several years to afford him.

          To the doubters—you are Yankee haters and would have posted negative stuff even if the Dodgers or Angels signed Cole.

          Haha

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        • whynot 2

          5 years ago

          Hahaha sure that’s an exclusive trait of the Yankees

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    • YankeeDan

      5 years ago

      Thats the plan. Get as many dominant seasons as you can, then live with the financial burden toward the end of the contract. Thats the cost of doing business with high end FA’s. Having superstars on the team makes money in the NY market. The brand gets stronger and the value of the organization goes even further up. (currently 4,600,000,000)…As a US sports franchise only the Cowboys are valued higher. So you see they really haven’t been “getting burned” all this time. You just haven’t looked at the big picture.

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      • AngelDiceClay

        5 years ago

        Enjoy your $50.00 cup of beer and your $25.00 Soda. You’re paying the freight. That’s guaranteed. Winning a WS title is not.

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        • Senioreditor

          5 years ago

          I’m guessing they’ll get at least 1 in the next 9 years. I’m a Dodgers fan, can I say the same???? It’s been 32 years. The Yankees are more committed to winning and that’s just a fact. The Yankee and Dodger revenue streams are not that different. Their acceptance of not winning a title is. LA is fine competing every year. New York demands a title.

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        • YankeesBleacherCreature

          5 years ago

          All I want is a $75 Shake Shack burger. Get on it, Hal!

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        • fits65

          5 years ago

          Well your $49 beer is not much colder with Trout (deserved) on the books with Albert and others.

          Do I get a hint of jealousy with your teams $300 million swing and miss?

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  7. BuckarooBanzai

    5 years ago

    smh

    Anyone else remember that time, about 10 years ago, when the Yanks signed CC & AJ and everyone thought the team has accomplished what we all knew they set out to do?

    Remember what happened next?

    Yeah there’s already Gio & Andujar but if this team decides to cover all the angles at all … Rendon or Donaldson shouldn’t be dismissed as potential additions

    10 years ago, it didn’t “need” Mark Teixeira either

    ijs

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    • Mrivers

      5 years ago

      It’s debatable whether Teixeira was a good acquisition to this day.

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      • AtlSoxFan

        5 years ago

        You just need 2 data points:

        1) did he make a sizeable contribution in his first few years to push NY over the top?

        2) did you sign him AWAY from the red sox, depriving them of his bump of production for those same couple years.

        In the aggregate I’d say it was the right move for the team.

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        • MoRivera 1999

          5 years ago

          Agreed. It was tough going through the out years, especially because he refused to hit against the shift, but you can’t ignore the value of a title.

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  8. Melchez

    5 years ago

    Yankees… spend wisely? Really? The team that is refusing to pay Ellsbury? The team looking to dump happ? The team that just set the record for the highest paid pitcher who will spend almost all of it on the wrong side of 30? A team that has 2 300 million dollar contracts on the books?

    Cole is a great pitcher and the Yankees should do very well, but please try to control yourself.

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    • fits65

      5 years ago

      Melch year-The Mrs. points out you have no right to defend Elsbury when you’ve been knocking the Yankees for paying him all of these years.

      And once Gardy re-signs she is having your car painted with his number all over it.

      Enjoy all of our BIG grins today buddy.

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      • Melchez

        5 years ago

        Yankee fans should be grinning. They just bought a World Series ring. There is no reason they shouldn’t have a couple of rings at least. Let’s see if the players have it in them to win it.

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        • MoRivera 1999

          5 years ago

          Sox bought their 2018 ring with a record-setting $246 MM payroll.

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        • prov356

          5 years ago

          You can’t buy a world series win. It’s proven over and over again. Occasionally a big payroll team wins, but it’s not the norm.

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        • Melchez

          5 years ago

          Yes, you can buy a championship. It’s been done before. 2009 Yankees. 2018 Red Sox. 1997 Marlins.
          Didn’t say the team with the highest payroll would win… There is no guarantee that if you spend the most money you will win… just ask the Yankee and Dodger fans.

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  9. charlesk

    5 years ago

    9 years covers more than the entire controllable years of Vlad, Bo, Biggio, Gurriel and Pearson. If the Jays don’t have an elite rotation to compete with Cole, Severino, Paxton and Tanaka, how are we going to win the division and make the playoffs?

    Put another way, the Yankees just replaced the retired C.C. Sabathia with Gerrit Cole. Ross Atkins replaced Marcus Stroman with Chase Anderson.

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    • DarkSide830

      5 years ago

      Paxton and Tanaka’s contracts are expiring

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      • Mrivers

        5 years ago

        True, they’ll be gone. So this is a shrewd move for several reasons.

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  10. jett

    5 years ago

    Good on the Yankees for getting their man. It feel refreshing after the last 2 offseasons to have news like this happening. That AAV is a terrifying number but they can afford it and if it helps them win a WS or 2, it’s a fair price to pay.

    The question is, since the Yankees have been prudent with spending, now that they’ve splurged, can they control that impulse if something goes wrong? If Cole fails, gets injured, etc. will the Yankees feel the pressure to throw more money at the situation? That would be my fear. With this contract and given Cole’s age, the Yankees will probably get 1-2 more elite years from Cole, and then probably 2-3 great years, and then year 5.5-9 will probably be a crapshoot? So it’s a matter of how many titles can they win before Cole begins to regress because if it does happen, that’ll be a tough contract to move in year 6-9. Nothing ventured, nothing gained

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    • BuckarooBanzai

      5 years ago

      This

      It’s like the only sure thing about this signing has escaped discussion.

      Opt Out clause notwithstanding, Cole is a Yankee for the rest of his career; just like Stanton

      Even in a best case scenario and they’re coming off a WS win in 5 years and he pulls an A-Douche and opts out, what team is going to give Cole a better contract?

      … and the possibilities of moving either contact are microscopic.

      This is an all-in-win-now move just like a decade ago

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    • BuckarooBanzai

      5 years ago

      This.

      Neither contract is movable.
      Cole opting out in 5 years is laughable.

      They’re both Yankees for the rest of their playing careers.

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    • SaberSmuckers

      5 years ago

      Mostly agree with what you said, but it don’t it’s impossible to expect more in the last three years of his contract (age 35, 36 and 37).

      Verlander is about a year younger than Cole will be in his last year.

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    • fox471 Dave

      5 years ago

      Yankees won 103 games last year.

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  11. fitsiqis65

    5 years ago

    FINALLY!

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  12. ChapmansVacuum

    5 years ago

    Pretty sure LAA traded a first round pick today to sign Cole. If Rendon turns them down too they may not be able to find a way to spend all there money. They mostly need pitching and catching, and a lot of the better options for SP/C/RP have signed so I dont know where they will spend that money they just gave up there number 4 prospect to free up.

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    • Melvin McMurf

      5 years ago

      there is no point in spending this season, they will still end the year in 4th

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  13. joeseadog

    5 years ago

    I was in Rotisserie baseball for many years. NOT Fantasy baseball, in Roto, you own a team and sign contracts and keep players until the contract expires or you buy then out. I can’t name ONE pitcher who didn’t make his owner sorry for giving a contract over 3 years. Cole may enjoy peak years for 2 to 4 years hence, but those final 4 or 5 will be financially painful. I hope they got all the medicals straight, because the first time a pitcher grabs his elbow, you lose him for 2 years minimum and he almost never reverts to his old self.. I just hope he gets us a World series soon.

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    • Yankee Mike

      5 years ago

      It isn’t your money or mine. In 2019 the Yankees made 668 million in revenue. Broken down as 284 million from gate receipts, Their operating income was a reported 29 million, which you can spin however you want. The team is worth an estimated 4.6 Billion dollars. I think they can afford 4/5 average years of a contract if it gets them a title or 2.

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      • luckyh

        5 years ago

        All the owners can afford it. They don’t always spend. They do budget, the Yanks have done that for a few years. Their frugality cost them big time in the last few years. They wasted the cheap years on many guys. Ells and Stanton are what held them back during that time. I just don’t see them doing a 180 and spending like daddy did.

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      • fox471 Dave

        5 years ago

        You are the one who will be paying the contract. Explain to your kids why Dad can’t afford to go see a game.

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        • royhobbs

          5 years ago

          Explain to your kids.

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      • tarheels23

        5 years ago

        Unlike the dodgers who have more money than anybody in baseball and they refuse to go out and make a big splash on anybody that’s why we will never win another world series

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    • SaberSmuckers

      5 years ago

      He’ll be 33 for most of his 5th year, I don’t think this contract is a bad as people are stating. Signing a 31-32 year old to nine years, I completely agree, you pretty much are assured he won’t be much the final couple years. But that just isn’t the case here.

      You mention the elbow, yes, certainly a risk. That I agree with. But I’m not ready to give up on him completely in his last two years – ages 36 and 37.

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  14. bleedpinstripes

    5 years ago

    Thank you Hal Steinbrenner and Brian Cashman for this amazing Christmas present. Thank you thank you thank you…………

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  15. aircarter777

    5 years ago

    Until they make MLB teams have a hard cap so all teams are equal, I really don’t care what the Yankees do or what their fans say!! This is one of the biggest reasons MLB is losing fans at a record rate. The large teams will always lead the competitive balance with the larger revenues and the small markets will always be a farm system for them. In the end, until the system is fair, baseball’s going to continue to die to the average fan not living in the 5 or 6 top markets in the country.
    Good luck Yankees like it matters any how!!

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  16. Finlander

    5 years ago

    Now that the next couple of WS titles have already been predetermined, I won’t have to even bother watching any games. Lots of low drama camping time without worrying about a WiFi connection to check box scores! Lol.

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    • Vin Scully

      5 years ago

      I pretty much already gave up on baseball. And I have been a fan since the 60’s. It has turned into a bore fest. Plus add in the crazy salaries that only a few teams can afford and the ever rising costs of tickets, concessions, parking and even the MLB cable package and I am out. The only enjoyment I get is keeping tabs on who goes where to play.

      I gave up on the NFL three seasons ago and it has been a revelation. I spend my time on productive activities now. Camping being one of them. Spending time with the family, hiking, playing guitar, restoring an old truck, etc. I kick myself for all the lost hours of my life I spent staring at other people doing something. It was all a waste of precious time.

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      • fox471 Dave

        5 years ago

        Thanks for sharing.

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      • MoRivera 1999

        5 years ago

        Then why are you here?

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  17. mike156

    5 years ago

    This could be a Mike Mussina-like deal, with similar results. Mussina was older, and not so much a power pitcher, but good mechanics and good health kept him productive. Of course it’s too much money and too long, but is it really worse than many of the other off-the-charts contracts?

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  18. legends of boston sports

    5 years ago

    This is a horrible contract. 36 million x 9 years for a 30 year old starting pitcher. Yankees will be scary for the next three seasons and needed to support that incredible lineup. What happens in years 4-9 or if he blows out that arm. Hard throwing starting pitchers with wear and tear just hold up. I wonder why no one offers 3 x 50 MILLION and just says we need to win 2 championships in the next 3 years and reset

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    • MoRivera 1999

      5 years ago

      Maybe, or maybe he pulls a Max Scherzer, Justin Verlander or Mike Mussina and pitches productively into his upper 30’s, maybe 40. We’ll see. No sense speculating now.

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  19. johndietz

    5 years ago

    I love the way everyone is giving the title to the Yankees. The Astros didn’t win it with Cole, Verlander and Grienke. We’ll see Cole’s true numbers playing in parks with little league dimensions in the AL EAST

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    • luclusciano

      5 years ago

      Not giving – but this instantly improves their rotation – the one thing they have needed improving to get past game 7 of the ALCS. this definitely increased their odds, which is what everyone is saying.

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      • Rudy Zolteck

        5 years ago

        Their lack of offense is what killed them in 2017 and 2019, not their pitching.

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    • Melchez

      5 years ago

      JohnD – “We’ll see Cole’s true numbers playing in parks with little league dimensions in the AL EAST” You know how overjoyed I will be if Cole becomes another Sonny Gray? OMG, I can’t contain myself. Every year for the next 9 years I will be jumping for joy every time the Yanks get eliminated by a Twins team, or the Rays win the division… this is going to be so good.

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      • MoRivera 1999

        5 years ago

        Melchez – funny to watch you counting your chickens with sour grapes.

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    • fox471 Dave

      5 years ago

      Yep!

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  20. Fg-3

    5 years ago

    Any Yankees fan who bashes this is ridiculous… we don’t pay these players. We haven’t won since 2009 we are the premier baseball organization. We need to be in it every year. And that’s what cash just did. This is exactly what the Yankees needed to do. And they got it done

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    • fox471 Dave

      5 years ago

      Who do you think pays these players?

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      • AllinTX

        5 years ago

        I guess he doesn’t go to games or watches them on cable TV lol

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  21. clubber_lang84

    5 years ago

    So honestly, just throwing this out for debate, what is the benchmark for this contract to be considered a success? Make it easy and basically judge the next decade. So if the Yanks win 1 chip by 2030, is it worth it? 2 chips? What is the expectation ?

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    • AtlSoxFan

      5 years ago

      Any championship is worth the deal hands down.

      Arguably a couple of WS appearances even in the unlikely outcome they don’t win a single one would also be worthwhile

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      • clubber_lang84

        5 years ago

        Again, I’m being unbiased, let’s say they win a chip in the next year or 2, but then they go on another 10 yr drought of WS appearances, still worth? I think the Yanks where close without Cole. IMO, they could allocate that money elsewhere over the next 10 years and possibly be more successful.

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      • luckyh

        5 years ago

        I think two and it’s a success. A 10 year drought is not that long.

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        • clubber_lang84

          5 years ago

          Not disagreeing with that statement. I’m just saying, these lengthy high aav contracts have hurt the yanks more than helped over the last 10 years. Stanton and Cole will be bad contracts at some point.

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  22. Eatdust666

    5 years ago

    Definitely an overpay, but it was the going to be the only way to get Cole regardless of who signed him and nice to see that they have actually have a pitcher that won’t consistently go no more than 5 innings, even though he will of course have some starts that he doesn’t get his usual 7+ innings.

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    • jtvincent

      5 years ago

      what I understand about it is why they gave him so much more than Strasburg. yeah I get that he’s a better picture but a lot of what Strasburg got paid for was his legacy. no one else was going to give Strasburg that kind of money because they wouldn’t have the same kind of dedicated fanbase to him that Washington has.

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  23. jtvincent

    5 years ago

    and yet you guys scream and cry when a concession stand employee one $15 an hour. every major religion including Christianity speaks about this kind of greed

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    • AtlSoxFan

      5 years ago

      What does scientology say?

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      • jtvincent

        5 years ago

        lol. I said major religion. people should be outraged this is absolutely disgusting. more people understand economics at least in the slightest they would understand that they’re the ones paying the salaries when they go to the game and buy jerseys. they said oh but the owners are going to make all the money we’ll how about we pay some of the actual people work in the stadium more than damn minimum wage

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        • SaberSmuckers

          5 years ago

          With all due respect to the hot dog sellers of the world, most any of us commenting could wake up today and go sell hot dogs. Some may actually to prefer to do so.

          I could drop everything today and dedicate my life to throwing 98mph and that will never happen. Let alone with control and over the course of a game and season.

          If the concession person doesn’t show up for work, someone else will replace them at $15 an hour. Players get paid what the market bears, based on his skill-set, Cole got $324mm.

          There are legimate circumstances that could lead someone to the hot dog life, but I’d say in most cases the desire to put in the work to be something greater just wasn’t there. There are always exceptions.

          As long as people are filling the seats, buying jerseys, watching them on TV, players will continue to get paid exactly what they deserve.

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        • jtvincent

          5 years ago

          that’s an asinine excuse. MLB is proof before that scabs could be used and after a couple years people would not care at all. people watch college sports don’t they? actually people watch all kinds of amateur athletes. so let me get this right you’re arguing that it’s perfectly fine for someone to make 325 million dollars have several homes several cars and more money than they could possibly spend but somehow it’s wrong for a hot dog seller to be able to afford to feed his children and get his kid Medical Care? I’m sure Gerrit Cole would do just fine with a hundred 50 200 million so that hot dog seller could have health insurance for a sick kid. we find talented people to work in top industries all the time without top pay. most of the world’s biggest charities CEOs make a couple hundred grand versus hundreds of millions they can make in the private sector. colleges and universities have some of the top talent in the world and they’re not paying CEO wages. I don’t have a problem with people having a lot of money my problem is it’s so many people have so little how many people have so much more than theuy could spend. the reality is is most of that money will probably end up and the players kids hands. so he won’t even have to work half as hard as that hot dog vendor because he won’t have to work at all.

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        • fox471 Dave

          5 years ago

          Yes, yes, yes! Fans are the ones paying. Yankees have been in business for over 100 years. They are established. Investors have already paid. This contract is on the fans.

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        • fox471 Dave

          5 years ago

          Hey union clown. Let’s not have a debate about minimum wage. If the employees do not like the salary, they can quit. Over 7,000,000 jobs unfilled. Go get another one.

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        • Matt Tobin

          5 years ago

          I dislike capitalism as much as nearly anyone. But you can’t fault the actors for playing their role when the stage is set and the roles are cast.

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        • jtvincent

          5 years ago

          so you are fine with kids dying because they dont have insurance or going hungry but having a guy make more money than he could ever spend is fine. wow what is wrong with you. its basic humanity anf you fail huge

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        • jtvincent

          5 years ago

          sure I can. dont ask for it. but really its out fault for nit taxing this 70%

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  24. jtvincent

    5 years ago

    first this is not good for the game it’s absolutely terrible. if he’s greedy players keep asking for millions and millions of dollars well concession workers get paid 15 people won’t be able to afford to go to a game. it will tear this game apart when only 1% of our population can attend. why so this jerk can have a 3 Ferrari? if you’re not outraged by this you have absolutely no soul and no understanding of right and wrong. it’s bad enough we have to watch these players agreed on display every winner but to celebrate is entirely another thing

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    • fox471 Dave

      5 years ago

      My God! Are you still talking ?

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      • jtvincent

        5 years ago

        oh so so so sorry to offend you making you think about poor people while your warm and cozy. I am such a jerk how could I care.

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      • jtvincent

        5 years ago

        it’s funny you quoted God if you really cared about God you’d be falling the Bible and preaching for the poor not the rich

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  25. BeeVeeTee

    5 years ago

    In 2017 people were saying Cole was washed up or a bust, he was traded to the Astros to join Verlander, pitched two great seasons before he hit free agency and the Yankees are giving him a nine year deal worth over $300 million. Cole is going to be under a lot of pressure trying to live up to that hype with the money he is getting for the next nine years.

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  26. Goose

    5 years ago

    The Yankees should easily be able to repeat as division winners. If they could acquire a solid and RELIABLE veteran they should be the favorites to win the World Series. They were basically the 82 Brew Crew the last couple of years.

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  27. Macho King

    5 years ago

    This is about a five year window for the Yankees. The teens were watching the Core 4 era fade out, a failed attempt to patch things in 2014, and a short rebuilding period. The 20s are about Rings.

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  28. jtvincent

    5 years ago

    wow people should be ashamed of themselves for ignoring how disgusting and greedy this is. starting to hate this game at least at the major league level

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    • BeeVeeTee

      5 years ago

      This is why I believe a strike is on the horizon after the 2021 season. It’s going to be the owners of the small market teams, and this all depends on the fallout of Bryant’s grievance hearing.

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      • jtvincent

        5 years ago

        if they strike I’m done. what side is the games finally starting to get competitive again because the limitations on payroll are already starting to have some effect. MLB is starting to get annoyed with these big Market teams because they’re losing audiences and money every year when teams tank. you can only fit so many people in big markets stadiums and lose a lot of money when you have 10 teams every year tanking. I mean let’s be honest does it really matter if a guy has one or three Ferraris in his garage. most of this money just sits in their bank accounts they can brag anyways

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      • ChiSoxCity

        5 years ago

        That makes absolutely no sense.

        The only to change this chit system is to stop consuming it. Teams like the Yankees use your money top free agents away from small, mid, even large market teams. They’re exploiting all of the fans of baseball when they do this.

        Let’em enjoy this and rack up more playoff appearances year after year. Just don’t watch. Don’t go to games. Don’t buy any merchandise. Walk away.

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        • BeeVeeTee

          5 years ago

          A strike does not make sense? Attendance is starting to decrease due to the increase in ticket prices to the MLB wanting to make the tv viewers purchase a package with all of the major market teams that will be expensive as well. Something does have to be done sone or the MLB will lose a generation of fans. A salary cap may help the MLB but the players union will be pissed off, but the agents are the one who the fans should hate as well.

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        • jtvincent

          5 years ago

          and that’s why it drives me crazy when they keep talking about how this is good for the game. I used to get a 20-plus games a year now I’m lucky if I can go to one. however this is the problem with the fabric of America not just baseball. you’re right though baseball needs to do something or they’re going to lose an entire generation of fans. they need to let players buy into the system long-term so they have an interest in what happens to the game tomorrow not just what happens to them today

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        • ChiSoxCity

          5 years ago

          Who are you trying to say should strike? Owners of small market teams? Players? Most of the owners would support a salary cap. The players won’t.

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    • Just_a_thought

      5 years ago

      So you like the concept of minor leaguers barely making minimum wage? All within the context of baseball being a multi-billion dollar industry and the most important assets (the players fyi) get paid pennies. Then when these same players have a chance to make money, they should say, “no, I couldn’t accept that, that’s way too much.” Flawless logic. Please find another sport to watch and comment about.

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      • jtvincent

        5 years ago

        first of all let’s be honest the minor Leaguers barely making minimum wage is nonsense in most cases. yes there is some guys that gets screwed but that’s not that many of them and we should absolutely do something to help them out. although who has the power to do that. the Union. who controls that Union the same players that are asking for 300 million dollars but don’t bother to ask for a dime for the minor Leaguers. however the reality is most of these minor Leaguers are there on multimillion-dollar signing bonuses. but let’s not pretend this is the only industry where you have to do an internship type work. how many crappy jobs I worked for very little to no pay before I got a good. one. so if these players won any respect at all maybe they should start by asking for money for the minor Leaguers instead of complaining that their millions are not enough. of course this can all be simply handled by this thing that happens every November. it’s people like you and me who have complete control of the situation. we picked the leaders and choose what these players pay in taxes. in all fairness they are some of the few rich people that actually pay much at all but it’s still not even close to enough. I mean would it really be so bad if guys like Gerrit Cole Stephen Strasburg and Bryce Harper had their salaries cut in half by taxes? do you know how many kids lives we can save with that?

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        • ChiSoxCity

          5 years ago

          Minor league players do not have union representation. And many of them make less than $30,000 a year. In fact, some of them at the lower ranks make less than minimum wage.

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        • BeeVeeTee

          5 years ago

          Baseball fans need to pay attention to the results from Bryant’s grievance hearing since it can change how small market team can manipulate service times on their top prospects down the road. Bryant has a good argument but he will most likely change service time for young players from the time a team brings them up.

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        • Matt Tobin

          5 years ago

          Let’s not act like $30k a year is that bad….. isn’t that very roughly the median income in the United States?

          I mean $30k-ish is the starting salary in a ton of fields, no?

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        • MoRivera 1999

          5 years ago

          $30k is $15/HR. Livable but no substantial savings or disposable income. One or two bad car problems and you could be out of a job. Out of a job with no transportation and you could be homeless. Nothing to fall back on at $15/hr.

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        • its_happening

          5 years ago

          A part-time side job in the offseason brings that total up. If $30-k for 7 months, that is way more than $15/hour.

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        • ChiSoxCity

          5 years ago

          I said LESS THAN $30,000.

          And it’s easy for you to say $30,000 is a livable wage. Try being a professional athlete, with no real job skills, trying to make ends meet and progress thru through a minor league system (traveling, eating right, staying healthy, training, personal life, trying to work during the offseason if you get one, etc). Most of you couldn’t do it.

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        • jtvincent

          5 years ago

          yes their deals arw negotiated at the mlb union. plus they dont wirk all year. most get decent or huge payday when they sign. I support them making more but the greedy guys like cole and harper have to make if happen

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        • jtvincent

          5 years ago

          not bad for a summer job.

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        • jtvincent

          5 years ago

          lol dude I came up in restaurants working 80 to 100 hours a week and mafe about that.

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        • ChiSoxCity

          5 years ago

          sbnation.com/mlb/2018/6/5/17251534/mlb-draft-minor….

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  29. Melchez

    5 years ago

    Restore the Roaring ’20’s. The beginning of a 40 year run that saw them play in 29 World Series and win 20 of them.

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    • jtvincent

      5 years ago

      yeah that’s my point. bring back the Great Depression because we’re only paying the 1%.

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  30. Mr.Ward14

    5 years ago

    Free Agency really shows you how greedy these athletes are. Kinda ruins sports for me.

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    • jtvincent

      5 years ago

      it’s really starting to ruin it for me especially the way it’s being talked about. it’s bad enough that it happens but it’s even worse if they talk about how great it is for the game of baseball. for the money of these 2 guys got you can buy three thousand people nice homes. and I’m sure you could find 3,000 people that work harder. I mean really how hard is it to hang out in the gym all day while you’re fed Chef cook food. it blows my mind that people think that the owners will just pocket the money. first of all that goes against the basic rules of Economics dating that when the cost of production of a product goes up so does the cost of the product. they also neglect the fact that the owners can simply use some of that money to pay their other people a decent wage. how many guys that work in parking or concessions are making 10 12 bucks an hour and can’t even feed their kids. glad to see there’s somebody else out there that actually cares about people mr ward. you have a great day

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      • Just_a_thought

        5 years ago

        Ya, I’d much rather the owners make all this profit from the revenue and continue dampening player salary so they can take home more. I prefer this because it’s not talked about, so I never have to even think about that level of greed to enjoy a sport where I watch the PLAYERS play. Greedy arses these players really are.

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        • jtvincent

          5 years ago

          first of all owners really make a pretty small percentage any kind of investment they put in and that’s usually split up anong a group. do you understand that when an owner has to pay a player 300 million dollars that money has to come from somewhere and it’s not going to come from his pocket it’s going to come from yours. that means less people can enjoy the game. the biggest problem besides just the core greed that makes a man think asking for three hundred million dollars is an appropriate thing to do in life is the tax situation. if these players simply pay their fair share the city state and federal government would have more money to pay their employees and further the economy. it boggles the mind that people get mad because people want to make $20 an hour but they celebrate this. so you’re right the owners are greedy and the players are greedy. however it’s us that let them get away with it. anything over like five million dollars should be taxed like crazy. I’ve no problem with people being rich as long as so many others aren’t so poor

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    • luckyh

      5 years ago

      I’d be more concerned with the billionaire owners who use the “small market” excuse for not spending while pocketing the revenue sharing money. The players aren’t forcing teams to give them millions.

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      • jtvincent

        5 years ago

        I’m not sure you understand how money works. first of all the players aren’t the only people there are hundreds if not thousands of employees that work for very little money. second of all most of the small-market teams pretty much spend what they can. there are teams out there that make almost no money. for instance the Cincinnati Reds are owned by Regional Development Group and yes they do make money but it’s not off yearly income it’s off long-term investment when they sell the team if they ever sell it. the make about 250 million dollars in revenue every year and they spend about $240 that on the team and Stadium cost. yes the value of the franchise has gone up but it’s a family business and probably never sell. so basically they make 10-15 million dollars a year. now this does benefit their other businesses in the area. with the main point of this is the econ. simply stated when the cost of production of a good goes up so does the cost of the good. so if next year my beloved Reds have to spend 300 million dollars to be competitive instead of 250 that money has to come from somewhere. so can either come by reduction of other people’s salaries but usually comes from raising the price of the product meaning you’re beer tickets and jerseys. however none of this would even be that big of an issue if we would simply demand the people pay the fair tax wage

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      • jtvincent

        5 years ago

        also the line between players and owners is starting to blur. Magic Johnson’s worth 600 million Derek Jeter’s worth 200 million. I mean what would it really hurt these people if they were worth half that

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    • HubcapDiamondStarHalo

      5 years ago

      Yes, because for whatever you do for a living, I’m absolutely POSITIVE you would turn down a salary that was more than what you thought you would get.

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      • jtvincent

        5 years ago

        first of all I would never ask for something so inappropriate. if I did decide to accept the money I would donate the vast majority of it. I would keep about 5 to 10 million. that is enough to live the great life for me and my heirs. I mean really can you even spend three hundred million dollars without being a complete idiot? 90% of that money will sit in a guy’s bank account. for what? so he can look cool. if you tax that money at 75% and raised the income or benefits for people that money would immediately be in the economy benefiting everyone

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        • snotrocket

          5 years ago

          Back off, Bernie. Just because a guy has a rare skill that the market deemed worthy of a large contract doesn’t give you the right to steal from him.

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        • jtvincent

          5 years ago

          lol steal. lol ok crazy pants. he used public road the traveld on planes subsidized by the government. played in stadums bought by you and me. he learded to play at a high school. wow. you really need to get a heart grinch. I would never wabt to be around or have my family around people that think a kid dying without health care is fine while guys have 5 houses. get a grip.

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  31. jtvincent

    5 years ago

    want to show us your not greedy cole? donate 50 million. because basically your greed is causing others to starve

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    • yanks48 2

      5 years ago

      Lmao saying he’s causing ppl to starve is a little far-fetched. He is part of the .01% of the population who is the best at what he does. Love how your not blaming every owner from every professional sports who make much more than Cole that they should donate 1/6 of their earnings. This is how a capitalist society works. If you don’t like it, leave.

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      • jtvincent

        5 years ago

        capitalist Society works on people paying their fair amount of taxes. it does not work when a small group of people control all the money. I feel sad for you that you don’t even have compassion to understand why this is bad for people. it’s also simply bad for the game and even the economics of the game. I can tell you the owner doesn’t want to limit his fanbase by having to charge so much for his product. but you are right the owners are responsible as well they can pay their people more but then again people like you could also demand to do the right thing for once. instead of getting mad about people sticking up for the homeless how about get mad about people being homeless? if people didn’t like how things were done in this country just got up and left we would still have slavery. that’s great then we should pay the best teachers. simply Society could exist tomorrow with no effect whatsoever if baseball went away for the teachers or garbage men( play CNY garbage strike) went away society would grind to a halt. the problem is what they pay in taxes just as much as how much they make. and please don’t give me that line about how if a guy has to pay 60 70% in taxes I’ll stop working. lol ya right.

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        • Just_a_thought

          5 years ago

          You do realize you’re arguing that the people who perform the work to uphold an institution, working day in and day out, do not get paid enough. Yet, you are arguing that players (Yunno, the people working day in and day out to produce the desired product) should not get paid so much. This is one of most literal instance of hypocrisy I have ever read.

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        • jtvincent

          5 years ago

          and so let me make this clear you’re arguing that it’s okay for a player to make 325 million dollars why the parking attendant work or cashier is making 10 12 bucks an hour? that somehow is okay to you? let’s be honest you could fire every player in Major League Baseball and people would still attend games of scabs because they did before. if you offered every AAA player 10 million dollars and fired every Major League player you would still have baseball. so yeah they’re important to the game but their salary is not and they can be replaced. try not having a janitor. so just to be clear you’re fine with starving mothers and kids dying of cancer because they can’t pay their medical bills but you’re offended by players that can’t make millions of dollars

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        • Mr.Ward14

          5 years ago

          Take your liberalism to a CNN thread, this is for baseball, not politics.

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        • Mr.Ward14

          5 years ago

          You’re comparing a parking attendant to a freaking Major League Baseball player? Bro, I’m going to eye roll myself into another dimension. That attendant can choose to stay at making $12-13 or work his butt off to make $100k a year. That’s the beautiful thing about this country. Cole may or may not deserve $324mil, but this guy is good at what he does, maybe even the best, and he’ll have to continue to produce, and work his butt off! I’m done. You’re deluded, take your Bernie Sanders attitude to a college campus where they’ll agree

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        • jtvincent

          5 years ago

          lol this is about baseball clown. how about just trying to be a good person for a chance. people can ve rich but its insane to have this much while so many suffer or die

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        • jtvincent

          5 years ago

          how can a parking attendend make 100k. lol sure I am sure he parked cars because he has an offer fomr ge

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    • MoRivera 1999

      5 years ago

      jtvincent

      You have single-handedly destroyed this entire thread. Congratulations.

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      • jtvincent

        5 years ago

        oh god oh sorry that I tried to help poor people. maybe you should worry about your attitude destroying America. the richest 100 people in this country control 90% of the wealth while there are people starving and homeless by the Millions. the funny thing is you probably know I’m right and that’s why you don’t like me talking about it because it’s easier for you just to ignore your being a bad person

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  32. jlahman

    5 years ago

    Time for MLB to go with a salary cap.

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    • jtvincent

      5 years ago

      yea! they’re working towards that. the simple fact is MLB makes more money when all teams are competitive or at least most then one just a few are. for instance you’re going to sell out Yankee Stadium all the time. so what good does it do MLB to pump all that money into the Yankees while you have teams like Miami and Cincinnati. the Reds didn’t even have to be good this year for their attendance to Skyrocket when hey just had to have a tiny chance. or even at least just greater revenue-sharing.

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    • ChiSoxCity

      5 years ago

      You can thank George Steinbrenner for no salary cap in the MLB. The Yankees basically paid the other owners off so they wouldn’t adopt a hard salary cap. Thank to him, 90% of the league is irrelevant in terms of playoff baseball.

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  33. rxbrgr

    5 years ago

    Waxing a bit poetic, eh?

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    • jtvincent

      5 years ago

      lol. you sound like nas. props

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  34. whyhayzee

    5 years ago

    Right after meeting with petite, cole tested positive. Lifetime ban, no hall of fame, $340 million down the drain. An organization of cheaters that make the astros look like small change. More PED users than any other organization. Ever. That’s all folks. Baseball is dead.

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    • MoRivera 1999

      5 years ago

      The 9-year-old Red Sox fan got back out of his cage. Uncontrollable rage.

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  35. timewalk42

    5 years ago

    Fully operational Death Star Showed off it’s League crushing Lazer at the Winter Meetings. The Rise of the Evil Empire is real

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  36. FishyHalo

    5 years ago

    Eppler seat is getting mighty bitty right now.

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  37. lowtalker1

    5 years ago

    What happened if they don’t win anything in New York, which I’m predicting as fact.

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    • MoRivera 1999

      5 years ago

      Easy to predict crap. What will you do if you’re wrong? Eat your hat online?

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  38. realgone2

    5 years ago

    Psssh…… I’ll believe it when the Yankees win the world series.

    “Don’t believe the hype!” – Chuck D.

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  39. Avory

    5 years ago

    “Well-run, well-heeled, well-schooled.”

    {snort}

    May it please the court, I point to Exhibit A:

    Giancarlo Stanton.

    (Exhibit B is likely to be spending like a drunken sailor on a PITCHER of all things.)

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  40. Wilford Brimley

    5 years ago

    But… but… but… WHAT ABOUT SALARIES FOR TEACHERS????///

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    • jtvincent

      5 years ago

      but what about a soul grinch. if my kids grew up to think like that it would be a huge disappointment

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    • jtvincent

      5 years ago

      let me guess divorced

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  41. jakec77

    5 years ago

    Here’s the question for Yankee fans- look at the situation the Red Sox in. They had a nice run, won the division three years in a row, won a World Series- but now are on the verge of having to let their home grown superstar go because they are paying too much to other players.

    Would you take that right now? Guarantee a WS in next three years, playoffs all three, but then Judge walks?

    I’m genuinely curious.

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    • Greg_winner

      5 years ago

      Completely agree, but to Yankee fans it’s all about the rings.

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      • jakec77

        5 years ago

        But here’s the thing- if Cole had signed with the Angel’s, wouldnt the Yankees have been the favorites out of the AL to reach the WS anyway? So, if they hypothetically win 110 games next year, and go 11-2 in post season, would Cole have really been worth it- seems like they would have won without him. And, if you know that it is hypothetically going to cost you Judge in 3 years (and maybe other guys too- Severino, Sanchez, Torres, Paxton to name a few are all waiting to get paid), is it worth it?

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  42. howie feltersnatch

    5 years ago

    @ chi Sox city Check your history it wasn’t Steinbrenner that said no to a salary cap. It was actually the owner of the white Sox. Who didn’t want a salary cap. And it was also the white so who signed Albert belle to the first 10 million plus contract

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    • ChiSoxCity

      5 years ago

      nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/longest-work-stopp…

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  43. Greg_winner

    5 years ago

    Cole will be really good for the first 4/5 yrs of that contract, and it will be CC Sabathia all over again for the 2nd half of it. Also, Moreno did not want to hear how he overpaid another current star for too many yrs like Pujols. However, now that the Angels made more cap space after the Cozart trade, I really hope they sign Bumgarner and at least one other quality starter. They also desperately need a catcher and Romine and Phegley would be solid options. It will be interesting what happens the rest of this off-season. Rendon will probably get a 7/8 yr deal around 300 million. .

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  44. jimmertee

    5 years ago

    Stupid contract.

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    • howie feltersnatch

      5 years ago

      Stupid comment jimmertree

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  45. jrhoades22

    5 years ago

    This Dodgers/ Bumgarner talk is likely just to drive his price up for the Giants and also to make Ryu think the Dodgers don’t need him (which they absolutely do now). However, if there is actually truth to this rumor, then Friedman should be fired. I understand missing out on Cole, the Yanks got their man, and would not be denied, but if Friedman’s fallback is to still hand out the largest contract of his tenure to a player that is the single most hated player by the fan base/current roster and will not help in the pursuit of a championship then he needs to go. Let’s consider where Bumgarner would line up in the Dodgers rotation this year, I wont get into the Kershaw/Bumgarner debate but if those two are #2 and #3 in the rotation it will be another NLDS exit in 2020. Ryu’s performance last year was SIGNIFICANTLY better than anything madbum will ever dream of again and it still wasnt enough. This could easily be the dumbest move the Dodgers ever make. If they want to win they need a solid #2 rotation piece and that is definitely not madbum. If they want to sell tickets they need players the fan base like and that is definitely not madbum. If Ryu could continue his dominance from last year then he could fill the #2 spot, but that’s a big if. However, Ryu also pulls in a large part of the Korean fan base, which sells more tickets. I’m starting to realize that Frieman is not the genius everybody thinks he is. I think the Dodgers recent success is really thanks to Farhan and now that he is up north Friedman makes awful decisions (Pollock, Kelly, and heaven forbid Bumgarner).

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  46. kershawsgrandma22

    5 years ago

    Thanks for making your annual “real push for a top free agent” Dodgers!

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    • BlueSkyLA

      5 years ago

      Right. I don’t see how anyone can come up with a “real push” from a team that didn’t even make the player an offer, as far as anyone knows.

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      • Cam

        5 years ago

        Reports have come out saying Dodgers offered 9/$300mil.

        I know how much you hate to hear that though, since it goes against what you’ve been trying to shove down everyone’s throat.

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  47. nailz#4life

    5 years ago

    now they trade Stanton to LAD or SF to free up a little $$$.

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  48. Vizionaire

    5 years ago

    pettitte must have introduced sources to cole.

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  49. GOP Lizards

    5 years ago

    It’s fine if there truly is no rivalry and Dodgers make a play for someone like Bumgardner (who is no longer elite), but don’t organizations dare to use rivalry as a selling point to get fans in their seats. Damn hypocrisy.

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  50. whynot 2

    5 years ago

    So much for the argument Cole wouldn’t sign in NY because taxes were to high, haha

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  51. Robertowannabe

    5 years ago

    How come 2 years ago, we heard from all of the Yankee fans how much of a bum Cole was and he was not worth the price of any prospects in a trade? Now all of those same fans are puffing their chests out about signing the former bum….. Have to love it. 🙂

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    • Just_a_thought

      5 years ago

      This is actually a really good point. There just doesn’t seem to be information available to explain it, not even, a simple look at his stats leading up to the trade and then his stats after, because that shows no improvement. I just don’t think there’s a way to answer this question.

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      • Robertowannabe

        5 years ago

        I see the sarcasm but his SO totals went up. His walks and HR stayed the same. He got more wins because of a much better offense (and some possible help from some garbage can banging) and better defense backing him up.

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        • Just_a_thought

          5 years ago

          Did the better offense and possible cheating on the offensive side help lower his era too?

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        • Just_a_thought

          5 years ago

          Forgot to include defense, did defense improve his FIP? I am asking because I’m trying to understand whether Cole showed any signs of improvement where any rational team would look for support to be more interested in this guy after those 2 years.

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    • MoRivera 1999

      5 years ago

      Because Cole had a 4.26 ERA then when the Yanks and Yanks’ fans passed on him. DUH. Intellectual honesty much?

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  52. whyhayzee

    5 years ago

    Sports is part of the entertainment world where what people make is nonsense. The small group of stars make many times more than all the other non-stars combined. The wealthiest organizations can purchase the most stars. The sports aspect is virtually gone. Baseball went down the rabbit hole when it allowed its players to ingest substances that led to records being broken, records that true fans consider to be as important as the game. The records died as the game died. Teams were given permission to build dynasties around players who were ingesting substances and it was high entertainment. Straight out of the professional wrestling playbook, comically huge men with anger issues beating the crap out if the baseball or the dugout ceiling, whatever was close at hand. When the powers that be tried to hold down the ingesting of substances, mlb just introduced the fake ball. History says the yankees will win championships now, assistance from umpires if necessary, but mostly just a plausible powerhouse team that can lead the spectators to believe that they are champions. Completely suspicious fabrication of the game that once was great and is now mere entertainment for the great unwashed.

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    • MoRivera 1999

      5 years ago

      The 9-year-old Red Sox fan vomits his conspiracies. No doubt he did this when the Sox paid Price $217MM and Sale $155MM to win a WS. When Ortiz failed his PED test. When Manny failed his. When they got caught stealing signs. To each his own Evil Empire.

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      • whyhayzee

        5 years ago

        If you understand what I wrote then you know that I don’t trust the Red Sox championships any more than I trust any of the other “interesting” things that have happened in baseball since the 90’s strike. Cubs win. White Sox win. Red Sox win. How convenient. All the teams with the longest wait are “taken care of”. How interesting. All very plausible outcomes. Now its the yankees turn. Oh goody.

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      • jtvincent

        5 years ago

        don’t you have any new material? this would be like NASCAR limiting all its racers to 200 horsepower and giving two or three guys unlimited horsepower. you don’t want to watch a game you want to take advantage of the system

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  53. Vin Scully

    5 years ago

    He went with the most money. Which is what his agent said they would do. The pitching coach (who will not be there for entire 9 years of the contract) has nothing to do with it.

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    • Just_a_thought

      5 years ago

      The fact that you know Cole’s thoughts, reasoning, and other considerations makes me wonder if you are him, were with him to decide, or the FBI. Also, where did you get your crystal ball as to the next 9 years? I’ve been looking for one to get my 12 year old cousin, ever since he became bored with the no-longer-novel magic eight ball

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      • BlueSkyLA

        5 years ago

        It’s true that we can’t know Cole’s complete thinking, but it probably isn’t some sort of accident that he signed the most lucrative contract ever given to a pitcher. So it’s hardly unreasonable to assume that the money rated pretty highly in his decision-making process. That wouldn’t be too shocking to you, would it?

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  54. goldenmisfit

    5 years ago

    To all of the Yankees haters talking about Cole and what he will be at 38, take a glance at his body type his pitching mechanics and velocity kind of reminds you of Justin Verlander don’t know about you but I think Verlander at 37 is doing pretty well LOL

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    • jtvincent

      5 years ago

      yes but Justin Verlander didn’t throw 200 Innings twice he threw it a bunch of times and he’s kind of one of a kind.

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  55. rognog

    5 years ago

    Now the Dodgers can turn their attention to not signing a different player.

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    • BlueSkyLA

      5 years ago

      The saddest but truest part of this is the number of Dodger “fans” who are congratulating ownership for not signing Cole. For not even making him an offer apparently.

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  56. its_happening

    5 years ago

    Money and years aside, the Yankees acquired the player they needed to improve their team to the point where they are the best team in the American League. The questions are, will Boston bounce back and how good will Tampa be. The road to the World Series goes through the AL East.

    Much like the Sabathia/Teixeira signings that lead to the 2009 World Series, if the Yankees win the 2020 World Series this signing will have paid off. The high price and length of contract is what a bidding war looks like. Now the Dodgers have to grab a guy or two. Re-signing Ryu does not necessarily make them better. They may need to explore the trade avenue.

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    • MoRivera 1999

      5 years ago

      Ok but you left out the Asterisks. They’re still out there and repercussions aside should still be a force in 2020.

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      • its_happening

        5 years ago

        Houston? You’re still hung up on Houston?

        Houston lost Cole. Greinke and Verlander are a year older. They aren’t going to be a force without adequately replacing Cole. The road to a title goes through the AL East. The AL East is still the best division in the American League, if not all of baseball. Until Houston decides to figure things out in the offseason we can put their title hopes to bed. For now.

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  57. dirkg

    5 years ago

    Let’s not kid ourselves: Gerrit Cole and Scott Boras were the only winners yesterday. Yankee fan, you’re going to hate this contract in 5-6 years. Angel fan: the price just went up on every remaining free agent pitcher. Dodger and National fan: Cole remains an obstacle to a Championship ring (albeit the Nats prevailed and I hope they would do it again). MLB: the financial might of one of your organizations is artificially raising the price for your paid labor. This further creates a divide between the haves and have nots.

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    • MoRivera 1999

      5 years ago

      Thank you Nostradamus. Scherzer, Verlander, Mussina and many others say BWAHAHAHA. Really dude. It can go either way. Have to just play the games.

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    • Kpaul130

      5 years ago

      Their payroll wasnt even that ridiculous past few years. They got under luxury tax.

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      • jtvincent

        5 years ago

        so being able to spend almost twice as much as half the other clubs in baseball isn’t ridiculous at all

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    • jtvincent

      5 years ago

      so if we’re going to celebrate players getting multi-million dollars then we should celebrate every time they raise ticket prices and beer prices.

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  58. GOP Lizards

    5 years ago

    Not signing a pitcher to a 9 year deal is great news for L.A. But don’t dangle Bumgarner out there as a solution to their problems.

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  59. GOP Lizards

    5 years ago

    BTW, was Cole a part of the cheating Astros or did he come later?

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    • maxorange33

      5 years ago

      He was acquired during the cheating, like the Patriots, they haven’t really stopped!

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    • dirkg

      5 years ago

      Cole was acquired for the 2018 season. So no, he was not on the World Series roster in 2017. Of course that doesn’t mean they didn’t cheat in 2018 or 2019. Many have argued that the Astros pitchers didn’t benefit anyway and I would argue the opposite. It’s easier to toe the rubber when you have an artificial 3-run lead in the top of the 2nd inning. Or KNOW that you have an artificial advantage on the offensive side so you may pitch more aggressively.

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      • Rudy Zolteck

        5 years ago

        Astros were better on the road offensively in 2017 and 2018, just quit the gymnastics.

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  60. rockofloveusa

    5 years ago

    bad deal Gerrit Cole steal show why mlb need a salary cap.
    bad till yankees move to nl.east face jeter every day .
    cole will be a bust after 4 years

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  61. kingbum

    5 years ago

    Teams that make these mega deals with Superstar elite players should structure the contract as it being front loaded and with a player option on the final years if he is still outperforming the value of the contract. That’s the smartest way for GM’s not to hurt themselves or the player in the future.

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    • jtvincent

      5 years ago

      the reason they don’t do this is because money is worth more today than it is tomorrow. so by holding pay clubs pay less real money. in addition a lot of teams use this to build their rosters they can add more money during a good year and spend some of that money during bad years. that’s why Strasburg got 245 million because so much of its deferred and it’s not going to cost the team anywhere near that much money. all the entrance that collects on the money they spent pays his furter wage.

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