Commissioner Rob Manfred provided an update on Major League Baseball’s investigation into the Red Sox alleged use of video equipment to steal opponents’ signs during the 2018 season, telling reporters (including Ken Davidoff of the New York Post) that he hoped to have a conclusion reached before Spring Training camps open next week. “I’d like to have this over. Investigations are funny. You think you know what the timeline is, but that’s a day-to-day prediction,” Manfred said.
The Red Sox already fired manager Alex Cora last month, a day after the league issued its report about the Astros’ 2017 electronic sign-stealing scandal and cited Cora (then Houston’s bench coach) as one of the primary architects of the now-infamous plan that involved Astros players banging trash cans and making other audible signals from the dugout to alert hitters about what pitches were coming. As per the original report from The Athletic’s Evan Drellich and Ken Rosenthal about Boston’s alleged sign-stealing strategies, “at least some players visited the video replay room during games to learn the sign sequence opponents were using,” though the Sox players then tried to simply relay their information after reaching base, rather than using auditory signals.
It remains to be seen what (if anything) the Red Sox investigation will reveal, and if any potential penalties issued against the organization will come close to the punishments levied to the Astros — a $5MM fine, losses of their first two picks from each of the next two drafts, and one-year suspensions to manager A.J. Hinch and GM Jeff Luhnow (who were both fired by the club shortly after MLB’s report was released). No Red Sox players, however, will face any sanctions, as Manfred said the players were granted immunity from any punishment in order to get them to speak freely about what may or may not have been going on within the clubhouse.
One other wrinkle from the Astros and Red Sox situations is the likelihood of changes to how teams can access video footage during games. “I think you should assume that before the season starts, we will have new guidelines with respect to the use of video equipment,” Manfred said, adding that “I think we have too much video available in real time right now.”
Video shouldn’t be in the dugout period.
You want to speed up the game? How about taking away replays so teams don’t stall for 60 seconds or more while examining a replay to decide if they want to challenge a call.
Coach should get 20 seconds or so to challenge if he wants and make a decision based on what the team saw with their own eyes.
That video you speak of actually is not in the dugout – that’s why they have a telephone to the replay room. Also, the current rule is that the manager and the coach running the video room get 30 seconds to determine whether or not they want to challenge.
Commercials are the only thing to hold up games. But they’ll never get rid of them.
There should be about five seconds allowed to make the decision, eye test only. No video at all until they challenge it.
Exactly. Also, get rid of the keeping the glove on the runner, hoping he lifts his foot or hand. The old umpire’s call on obvious only situations worked fine for 100+ years. Such use of replays was not part of the intent when it started.
Except the rule says the runner is out when he is tagged off the base. Just because they got away with it before replay doesn’t make it right. If they don’t call that an out, should they allow the pivot man on the DP to just be in the neighborhood?
Different circumstances in my view. Compare the foot or hand lifting to defense in basketball where fouls could be called every time there’s contact. The neighborhood play was ok when it was called to protect the fielder but was ridiculous when the throw wasn’t good. When they changed the rules regarding what the runner could do in trying to break up a DP, the need for the neighborhood call to protect the fielder was eliminated.
Ya and hopefully it will eventually stop every fielder and runner pointing to the dugout after every close play. It’ll make it so the manager has to have confidence in the player and if they continually are wrong they’ll stop challenging their plays.
“Let’s take away video replay that can correct serious errors in human officiating because you darned kids are trying too hard to get outs these days” lol go take a walk outside dude
Not even worth a response other than an acknowledgement that I wasted time reading it and writing this,doo-doo.
Feel free to ask Armando Galarraga how well the old system worked.
There is no live video in the dugout. It’s the official replay room and the dugout only has a phone that can call the room. Managers have 10 seconds to signal to hold up play and then 20 seconds to actually challenge.
AGREE WHOLE HEARTED!
the manager should basically get 5 seconds to make the the call. Has to use his gut and the reaction from the player that was involved in the play. shouldn’t turn to ANY bench managers, This is where the skill should come in. Use his 100,000 thousand hours on a ball field and 1,000,000 safe/out calls he seen in his life…. look at the player and the player should give him some more information and just go with your gut just like the umpire has to do.
basically if there’s a disputable call the manager would go to the top of the step and hold up his hand. from that point he has 5 seconds. Look at the player involved and mouth “what do you think?” and depending on his reaction. make the call.
this will cut down on the infadecimal safe/out replays when a guys toe barely pops off for a microsecond. your not going to risk a dispute on that.
it will push replays back toward there true intention. to reverse really really bad calls. (like ones that blow no-hitters for example) and not nit pick the ump. let the umps do there damn job.
They weren’t doing their job, that’s the problem.
there job is to make a call which they did. i’m talking about when the toe pops off the bag for 0.00001 of a second while the tag is on.
no human can make that cal.l accurately only video-reply.
and that’s not the intent on a call like that. the man reached base a full second before the ball, slides through the base and the time between the heel of his front leg and hit but reach the bag he is in non-contact with the base.
he is safe. and everyone knows that.
but with video replay, he is now out. that is not inline with the spitit of baseball.
and the call is only being reversed bcause the managers have like a minuite with the video replay to do a full replay before calling for a replay.
thats what i’m refering too.
Oh that’s crazy because last time I checked coming off the bag and getting tagged is an out.
Yes your take makes sense, but it’s not in line with the rules, lol, to be frank. The only way to logically implement your idea is a rule change about sliding and momentum. And tbh, that can happen.
no your right. still and out. but are you going to risk making that call from the top step of the dugout?
if you do, and your right, good for you…..
but i bet 99/100 times. you don’t even attempt it without dugout replay
So even though we have the tech to prove which case is right and wrong (with reasonable accuracy, not perfect ofc) we should leave it up to chance… just because?
2018 GM is gone, manager is gone. 5 mil plus the draft picks sounds about right. The question now is which team will be the first to hack the robot umpires?
Dombrowski’s contract ran through 2020 and Cora’s through 2021, so they’ll both be paid for 2020. Luhnow and Hinch were suspended without pay for 2020 before they were fired. Dombrowski and Cora are better off financially for 2020, at least, by getting fired before a suspension. I’m assuming they would have been suspended, but I could be wrong.
You don’t know the agreements and once the league concludes their investigation, they can still take action. We also don’t know When Red Sox upper management learned of the alleged sign stealing or if DD’s departure in any way related to it.
The Yankmemes… but they won’t get caught..
The Red Sox allegation was investigated and found to have “no merit.”
Or pay off the ump…
Free Pete Rose!
exactly. Pete didn’t cheat.
That isn’t gonna happen.
vote bonds in!
Everyone that put HOF numbers should be in. There’s already cheats and drug users in it, so what’s the difference?
Sosa, McGwire, Rose, Bonds, Clemmens, Palmeiro, yes, EVERYONE!
Let’s then get rid of the HOF altogether. No PED user should ever be put in. Are you saying two wrongs now = being right? I have more respect for so many not in the HOF such as Evans, Tiant, Munson, Reggie Smith, Jim Kaat and of course Schilling for what they did on the field. Cheaters such as Bonds, Palmeiro and others made it impossible to try to compare players. I truly hope Ortiz never makes it who I also believe cheated. Rose remains in a category all to himself. His betting on the sport while managing a team could never be tolerated. Imagine today the way the league has relationships with gambling entities. His claims of never betting against the Reds is laughable as the man has not only been shown to be a compulsive gambler but also a compulsive liar who has from what is known publicly made no attempt to recover. His reported public actions have been designed to better himself financially. He wants in to the HOF for the money opportunities. Anyway, what about the pitchers he managed? His managing of a game that he bet on could have resulted in injuries. Working many years ago for an attorney, I was taught conflicts aren’t the issue. Such starts with the perception of a conflict. In Rose’s case, just betting on games violated the integrity rule for the sport regardless of which game or which team he bet on.
People gotta get off their high horse and realize that baseball players are regular people with imperfections…just like you and me.
As a player, Pete Rose was the best hitter of all-time. You might say he bet on himself to be the very best in the game. He personified hustle and giving it his all.
As a manager he made some mistakes.
Pete Rose the player deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.
These guys are not the intelligencia – but they are famous and baseball players, and belong in baseball’s Hall of Fame regardless of how terrible of a person they may have been.
Pete Rose dug his own grave.
1. Betting on baseball had a 0 tolerance since 1918 black sox scandal and he was well aware of it
2. He denied over and over the allegations UNTIL he wrote a book AND profited from coming clean
3. Walks around being a smug Ahole about the situation instead of being a man and owning up that he broke the rules. Not acting like he didn’t do anything wrong.
Betting on baseball is a stupid reason to be banned from the hall but its a lot more stupid to still bet knowing it was the biggest no-no in baseball at the time. If he would have just owned his demons and admitted he was a gambling addict 30 years ago he’d be in the hall and forgiven.
The hall of fame is an honour for the player, i get that fans love visiting and seeing the history (and you can still see pete rose memorabilia and stuff there) but being enshrined there is a special thing for a player and he lost his right when he thought he was bigger than the rules. Also the narrative that he only bet on the Reds comes from him and his history of denials and lying makes that claim a little suspect imo
Believe me Pops, my horse isn’t high enough for me to trip over. Everyone has character defects as 12 step groups refer to them but Rose hasn’t even completed that first step. He still wants the world on his terms instead of just a small piece of it on the world’s terms.
Betting on baseball is not stupid. It just shows everyone how the gambling bug was in control of Rose. Recovery starts with acceptance and honesty from within.
So breaking the rules put in place to keep gambling from killing the MLB (like it already almost did before) is okay if you’re really good?
Find Refsnyder a J O B…
Believe whatever you want. But what the Astros did DIRECTLY AFFECTED OUTCOME OF GAMES. What Rose did absolutely DIDN’T. That’s why the punishment ISN’T PROPORTIONATE liken he’s saying. Not even fines to players??? That’s insane.
Didn’t they though? By betting on the Reds to win on some days, Rose went out of his way to win those games, creating a likelihood the Reds would lose on other days. That is a direct effect of Rose’s actions even if he did not realize it at the time. On those days Rose did not bet to win, he was effectively tipping off gamblers that they had greater odds for betting against the Reds to lose.
This guy also ignores that Pete signed off on his ban when the directors came at him even harder over exposing what he was doing, so he may have thrown some too for all we know. But betting to win is still pretty bad.
“By betting on the Reds to win on some days, Rose went out of his way to win those games…”
Are you saying Charlie Hustle didn’t go out of his way to win every game? I think he did, even when he was sick. (I’m not arguing that he deserves to be in the Hall…)
I mean, he was betting as a manager, so, yes.
Exactly. He agreed to the lifetime ban, likely to shut down things so he wouldn’t have to testify. Imagine him on the stand, taking an oath to tell the truth…who will believe him? I’d love to because I appreciated his style. That is until he ruined Ray Fosse’s playing career in an exhibition game. He could’ve just as easily injured himself on that play. He wants in again only for the publicity and earning potential. Ego and greed…
With the Astros the inmates ran the asylum! As far as the RS it’s a sad day in RS nation if the report is accusatory. AJ n Cora made bad decisions n they will have a long time to think about it.
I wish it was over for us fans. We are the ones punished.
I don’t like player immunity. They aren’t small children, they perfectly know what they are doing is bad. They should be fined and punished as well. Manfred just doesn’t want to be bothered. “I’d like to have this over” dude grow a pair and do your job. You aren’t the commissioner of vacations lazy sack of… ugh can we vote for a new commissioner?
With the union it would’ve been a nightmare, they want it over.
The league would never have gotten to first base without players opening up. It has to be explained this is it. Give amnesty and invite players to privately audit other things they did and get everything out now. That said, make it clear this is the players only chance. If other things are later revealed by whistleblowers or other means, the penalties will be severe and then fight 100% every time. Even if an arbitrator rules against MLB should the union not be on board, many will be scared straight by the risk of being one of the few to get financially harmed. Too much money at stake for this not to work. Look at what happens when municipalities have amnesty periods and waive interest and fines on parking tickets or libraries waive fines for returning long overdue books. Usually, the response is great especially when the town warns after the amnesty, collection efforts will be increased with zero tolerance or negotiations.
Giving the players immunity reminds me of some kind of Law and Order episode where the weasel who helped commit the crime gets a pass for squealing. It’s a bad look for players no matter how it’s spun.
You’re right looie. It took immunity to get a few Astros players to tell the truth. I believe that, having seen what’s happened to the Astros, Red Sox players will spit on immunity and clam right up anyway. If the Red Sox aren’t found guilty, that’s probably why. That’s why JDM said he felt confident they would be exonerated. Because they did a head check and he felt confident no one would say a word.
You drivel is simply not worth responding to Mo4ever so this is my last time. Such stupidity. Players change teams and retire. Whatever was done will come out. Someone could even write a book. Immunity only stays in effect when they’ve told the truth. If MLB can prove they lied in sworn statements, penalties can be placed on those still playing.
Sorry unless you become a team owner, you have no vote on the commissioner. Neither, does the union.
Exactly 1drefordays6. The only person who should have received any thought of “immunity” should have been Mike Fiers only. Judge Kenesaw Mountain Landis gave Manfred the blue print as to how this should have been handled. The players KNEW they were cheating. The 1919 Black Sox scandal was handled perfectly and the same should be done now as it was done then. The players involved should be banned for life. Like Joe Jackson, his team mates and Pete Rose. The double standard part of this whole deal reeks of a Commissioner who is too much of a p$$y to take the correct action. Altuve, Brag man and Springer may be good to great players…but so was Joe Jackson, Eddie Cicotte, Chick Gandil, Swede Risberg, Happy’ Felsch, Lefty Williams, and Buck Weaver. Buck Weaver did not go in on the fix, but he knew of the plan and was therefore banned due to this knowledge.. Landis did not worry about who was “one of the young faces of baseball”, or “how it would damage the game” , he did the right thing. They were acquitted by the criminal courts but were all banned for life from the game.
Sorry Michael but the 1919 Black Sox scandal was handled horrendously and would fall over in any court of appeal today. Shoeless Joe wasn’t even involved – though had money foisted at him – and was banned for life. The rest of them – I agree – deserved the bans they received, But the process was appalling.
I think banning the players for life (in the Astros/Red Sox cases) is disingenuous and now utterly impossible given that they were promised immunity for full disclosure. They were at least trying to win – which rather flies in the face of what the Black Sox were doing.
Uh, Jackson WAS involved. He was rightfully banned.
Guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one. Regardless, I don’t equate the Black Sox that were guilty of taking a dive with a team cheating to win. The team cheating to win might still lose whereas…
Not sure where It was found he was involved. His stats suggest otherwise as does most recent investigative reports.
back in the day the way to stop sign stealing ( which is as old as signs) was to throw one at the ear hole of the batters who participated… word got around.. sign stealing wasn’t tolerated..
See Bob Gibson, Don Drysdale,
I’m sure they’ll be some bench clearers when other teams play the astros and sox!
What they did was to change the freaking signs. Every team since the beginning of the game has stolen signs.
You are an ignorant Buffon if you still pretend what Hou and Bos did were anything like normal sign stealing
Well you seem to be a Boston fan so, like all Houston fans, you refuse to use common sense when your own team is involved, so can’t say I’m shocked
Carpola man.. I’m an ignorant twins fan who has been following the game since the 60’s and I can tell you Paul Molitor is considered a genius at stealing signs… and he didn’t have to bang a garbage can to relay them.. neither did tom Kelly who was also very good at the art of stealing signs.. and that nose itching wasn’t for a nose itch..
Let’s wait for the report on the Sox to be released. The main point to me is whether or not what they did in 18 violated the written rules or the spirit of the letter that was issued to all clubs the prior year. If their reviewing replays like coaches can do in booths upstairs and passing information sometime later in the game, I’m not sure that can be ruled on. If they did it in real time, the penalties need to be severe. With men on base, teams have always changed signs so to me that’s the difference. To be clear, it depends on the issued letter and what actually happened.
It was part of the game for the runner on second to try and steal signs and relay them to the batter, if he could do that withing a few pitches. It was also part of the game that if they caught you doing it, you’d get a pitch in the ribcage. What the Astros did was far and away worse. Taking long range video, deciphering the signs, and then using that equipment to relay it to the batter in real time.
I feel bad for the kid who might have made their major league debuts or a start early in their career against the Astros, and gave up a bunch of runs due to their actions. The kid might have been sent down, his major league dream ruined.
please strip away their title and also Astros title
Nah.
Not gonna happen.
Lol yes let’s do that before the commish even releases the report.
Stripping? Maybe they should play naked and no glove for the pitcher. While such might not be a pretty sight (Bartolo Colon?), it would prevent using sand paper or if a substance to load the ball was used, the evidence would be seen. In hindsight, those penalties should have been more severe. Such includes Sosa’s or Nettles’ altering of the bat. Had they faced harsher penalties, at least past precedent would have been set. At least they got thevGeorge Brett
George Brett bat incident right.
Reinstate Pete Rose!
It’s BS that the players got off without any penalties at all. I hope they all hit .200 and they loose 100 games. My new least favorite teams ….1-Astros 2-(3 way tie) Red Sox,Cubs.All those that knowingly cheated should be banned for life.
Hate them all you want, but please don’t lump The Cubs in with the cheaters. Alson your “3 way tie” for 2nd place was only w teams.
The Red Sox, Yankees, and Astros all used the same basic system in 2017. All were caught for doing the same thing.
It was the Red Sox and Yankees doing it that caused Manfred to send out the memo on 9/15/17 that spelled out the rules against it. In that memo he said that the GM and field manager were responsible. Neither Luhnow or Hinch stopped it. They deserve the penalty they got.
So imagine the uproar when players that are no longer on any of those teams were suspended for something that was done 3 seasons ago? The owners of the new teams would scream. The MLBPA would scream.
So it will never happen.
Add the Yankees to your new least favorite teams since the system the Astros used was brought there by Beltran from the Yankees where it was used in 2015-2016 while Beltran was a player for the Yankees and apparently in 2017 too sine they were fined for doing it. .
You mean like when a player signs a free agent deal and then is suspended for failing last years PED test?
Both were decisions by the player to cheat or gain an unfair advantage. Surely you have no problem with personal PED suspensions, right?
The Yankees are already my least favorite team but I’ve heard and read read nothing to substantiate this process of cheating originated with them or in their clubhouse. Do you have any references, links, anything?
@koamalu
The Red Sox’s allegation of the Yankees for sign stealing was investigated and found to have “no merit.”
Beltran has never been found to be engaged in sign stealing on the Yankees before he went to the Astros.
Stop your unfounded lies which you keep repeating without evidence.
No, they should not be banned for life. Calm down. Cheating has always gone on and no one has ever been banned for it. For example, Gaylord Perry wasn’t banned, and in fact became a legendary figure largely due to the spitter. He even wrote the book about it.
Can we distinguish between legal (“always gone on”) and illegal (“modern, technology-dependent”) sign stealing, please…
Get rid of video rooms at ballparks, and implement stiffer penalties for electronic sign stealing. 1) 80 game suspension for players, $20M fine and forfeiture of first and second round picks for the team. Problem solved.
Players and managers no longer have access to replay video rooms at all. There are no live feeds in the ballparks anymore. It’s not possible to steal signs like that anymore. The problem has already been solved.
Suspensions and fines need to be in place, having no live feeds or access to video rooms does not stop hiding an iPhone for example with a live feed from a local station
There ARE no live feeds from a local station. All TV broadcasts have an 8 second delay. Can’t do it in real time.
Problem has been solved.
live feeds are actually delayed by more than eight seconds when receiving signals off the air. Ever watch a game using a digital antenna, cable, satellite or through the Internet. Each is different and it’s almost impossible today to use audio from the radio since it doesn’t normally match the video. Catchers need to alter their signals or allow electronic signals only on defense so the signs are learned without the camera seeing anything. Also make a manager challenge within 10 to 15 seconds and have a fifth umpire upstairs operate the clock.
What do you mean there are no live feeds in ballparks and organizations don’t have access to them? The article clearly quotes Manfred as saying there will be new rules forthcoming prior to the season’s start. And he thinks there is too much real time video, right now. Your narrative fails in logic, after reading the article.
The problems won’t be solved prior to spelling out the rules related to newer media. The stadiums are always going to have access to the feeds real time due to the very nature of running the telecommunications thru the parks’ networks. They could fairly easily send the feeds to a particular monitor(s) prior to public broadcast (eight second delay is sourced from real time), so the rules related to video probably need to be tightened up to fix the video sign stealing cheats.
I imagine the two new MLB hires, Gregor Blanco and Nick Hundley, will be tasked with explaining and “liasoning” some of the rules, along with lots of other tasks, as they visit various clubs.
There is no rule against relaying information once you are base.
But there is against using the replay rooms to steal the signs that you are relaying. If you’re smart enough to figure out signs on your own and the other team is dumb enough not to change them then yes by all means relay from 2nd base. What’s worse is the Red Sox among other teams already got caught doing exactly this and were told to stop (along with all 29 other teams)
No player or coach can go in the replay room. That was stopped in 2018.
The manager or bench coach can CALL the replay room from a hard wired phone in the dugout. All those calls are recorded and monitored by MLB, so no one can use them to relay signs and even if they did it would not be in real time. The only rules are about doing it in real time.
This is really a dead subject because what they did in 2017 is impossible today. There ARE no live feeds in the stadium other than that replay room. .
The Red Sox and Yankees were caught in 2017. After they were caught the commissioner sent a memo on 9/15/17 spelling out the rules. The Astros continued doing it after the memo and that is the reason they got harsher penalties than the Red Sox and Yankees.
I love how you pretend cheating organizations followed some rules
Yeah, they had morals to a degree. Lmfao you’re worst than the Houston fans. How many comments you have in this thread, 10? 15? Each 2 paragraphs plus?
You’re in the wrong bud. Like Boston
Koamalu I agree with the points you are making. They don’t even want to try to understand. They are going to keep beating the dead horse.
You’re agreeing there no live feeds in the stadium other than the replay room? Did the new rules get implemented at the start of last year? I had read the we’re going to restrict outfield pole to pole cameras to network broadcast access only and tighten the rules on in-house cameras and feeds. There was also talk of General Managers/Presidents/Chief Officers sign a document saying the we’re in compliance and understood no electronic sign stealing, while spelling out the punishment. I never heard that was implemented and assume that’s why we’re hearing the rules needs to be tightened, now. This was just last year at the start of 2019, when I read it.
Good point. Better internal controls are needed. And the chief executives need to be personally held accountable to some degree.
@koamalu
The Yankees weren’t “caught”. They were accused. By the Red Sox. They were investigated and the Red Sox’s allegation was found to have “no merit.” Stop repeating this baseless lie.
Separately, the Yankees were given a minor fine for having a phone in the dugout. No video was involved.
There. Fixed it.
The Red Sox were caught sign stealing. Stop trying to deflect that by spreading lies about the Yankees.
Depends how you get that information was his point
Amazing how I hear so much hatred on the Sox and the jury is not even in yet. I guess you all are guilty in court before the case is even presented… really?
Yes totally agree with you on presumption of innocence. The hatred for Cora is based on being guilty. I hope it’s not true but as an Angels fan I’m kind of ticked that Altuve and now potentially Betts could have stole 2 MVP awards from Trout.
Dude, I’m a Sox fan, and even I know they’re screwed. Wasn’t a coincidence that Cora left Houston, went to Boston, and they’re now involved. They will get the same as Houston. Max fine allowed and lose some draft picks…..
That’s the good thing about the Astros hiring Dusty Baker…he’s been around so long the most high tech equipment he has is a sun dial!
Hire Varitek as manager, finalize the Betts/Price to Dodgers trade and let’s get the season going already!
“Investigations are funny.”
No they’re not, Rob.
Cheaters! Bean eaters!
Cheaters! Bean eaters!
Cheaters! Bean eaters!
All that does is produce more methane gas than a pasture of cows.
Wow! That’s is by far the most insightful, and mature comment ever expressed on any forum I’ve read. Truly profound! I’m so glad you took the time to express yourself. Everyone that takes the time to read it will be amazed.
In the National Hockey League, if you challenge a call and it is not overturned, your team gets hit with a two-minute penalty. Maybe MLB should consider some type of penalty that will limit challenges.
Crikey. This investigation has taken longer than a Fat Bastard bowel movement. And there’s no corn involved.
Exactly 1drefordays6. The only person who should have received any thought of “immunity” should have been Mike Fiers only. Judge Kenesaw Mountain Landis gave Manfred the blue print as to how this should have been handled. The players KNEW they were cheating. The 1919 Black Sox scandal was handled perfectly and the same should be done now as it was done then. The players involved should be banned for life. Like Joe Jackson, his team mates and Pete Rose. The double standard part of this whole deal reeks of a Commissioner who is too much of a p$$y to take the correct action. Altuve, Brag man and Springer may be good to great players…but so was Joe Jackson, Eddie Cicotte, Chick Gandil, Swede Risberg, Happy’ Felsch, Lefty Williams, and Buck Weaver. Buck Weaver did not go in on the fix, but he knew of the plan and was therefore banned due to this knowledge.. Landis did not worry about who was “one of the young faces of baseball”, or “how it would damage the game” , he did the right thing. They were acquitted by the criminal courts but were all banned for life from the game.
“Cheaters never win.”
Worst advice ever.
So you’re saying at least 2 teams did it? So probably everyone did it except the pious Dodgers.
If 2 teams did it 29 must have? Is that your logic?
“though the Sox players then tried to simply relay their information after reaching base, rather than using auditory signals”
This doesn’t make sense, it should be something like “rather than capturing the catcher’s signals with a center field camera.”
Look bottom line is Manfred came down hard on Houston & eventually on Boston because they continued to underman his authority once he gave out the league memo about using electronics which yes the Yankees were warned and stopped the fact that the above teams continued and coincidentally both won in consecutive years the World Series after being warned makes Manfred look like a fool and no authority in charge.
As for Pete Rose he deserves to be in period he is the All-Time Hits leader and more and did it as a player what he did afterwards was as a manager this is not the Cathedral church because you have spit ball pitchers inducted, you have PED players inducted, you have greenies inducted, you have alcoholics inducted and what does the Hall of Fame supposed to stand for Integrity where is the Integrity in all of the above?
All this stuff about gambling while a manager is crazy shoot Michael Jordan was known to bet as a player on golf, basketball and more and it was then stated he secretly retired because he had an agreement with David Stern because they had the goods on JOrdan but because he was the most marketable player coming off 3 championships it was a hush hush according to the book you dont think these athletes don’t place bets on their own sport?
What this should tell Major League Players or should tell them is never again do any type of interview or favor for Ken Rosenthahl or Evan Drellich.
All of y’all need to get off of your high horses just because they used technology to steal signs. Signs are complicated and the 3B coach does the macarena specifically so that they are hard to steal. Apply the use of technology to getting to and from work or owning a farm. I could walk to work or plow a field with a push plow from the 1800s, but it certainly f***ing helps that technoogy (my truck, John Deere tractors) makes it easier. Every single one of you wishing the suspensions/firings that should have never happened came with harsher penalties and wanting to strip World Series trophies, MVPs, Batting Titles, et al are unreal. Stop it.