The Dodgers have shown some interest in free-agent lefty Brad Hand, tweets MLB.com’s Jon Morosi. While the early interest in the former All-Star closer is somewhat notable it’s also not much of a surprise; the Dodgers generally have been willing to spend money on high-profile free relievers in recent years — Joe Kelly and Blake Treinen among them — and Hand’s track record is likely appealing to just about any contender despite the fact that he went unclaimed on waivers. It’s certainly possible that Hand could yet find a multi-year deal at an annual value lower than the $10MM sum he’d have commanded in 2021 had he been claimed off waivers, or even at a similar rate but with some of the guaranteed dollars pushed out beyond year one of the arrangement. The Dodgers are set to lose Blake Treinen, Jake McGee, Alex Wood and Pedro Baez to free agency, so it’s likely that they’ll be connected to myriad relievers in the coming weeks and months. Hand, 30, posted a 2.05 ERA and 29-to-4 K/BB ratio in 22 innings this past season but also saw his average fastball dip to 91.4 mph — two full miles per hour slower than in 2018.
More on the Dodgers…
- While many have assumed that Justin Turner will eventually re-up with the Dodgers, Jorge Castillo of the L.A. Times cautions that a reunion isn’t quite a given. The presence of some high-profile trade options, including Kris Bryant and Nolan Arenado, gives the Dodgers alternative scenarios to explore if they prefer a younger option at the hot corner. The O.C. Register’s J.P. Hoornstra feels similarly, adding that Turner’s return could in some ways be dependent on the implementation (or lack thereof) of the universal designated hitter for the 2021 season. Francisco Lindor’s presence on the trade market gives the Dodgers yet another possibility to mull, he notes, as it’s possible that Corey Seager could slide to third base. Turner may still return to Los Angeles in 2021, but he’s just one of many options for the Dodgers to consider.
- Hoornstra also notes that the Dodgers’ prior conversations with the Indians regarding Lindor have advanced beyond the “tire-kicking” stage of talks, but that was when Lindor was more than a one-year rental. The team’s willingness to part with considerable young talent for a one-year player less than 12 months after doing so to acquire Mookie Betts can’t be fully known. Obviously the Dodgers convinced Betts to stay in Los Angeles long term, but the same can’t be guaranteed for Lindor. And while both Lindor and Arenado will be regularly linked to the Dodgers throughout the winter, Hoornstra opines that Lindor is a much more plausible fit, citing the Rockies’ likely reluctance to trade a franchise player to their chief division rival. Both pieces from Castillo and Hoornstra are well worth a full read to get a more in-depth sense of the Dodgers’ options regarding the left side of their infield.
I’m still confused as to how Joe Kelly was able to land that contract.
His stuff is incredible, he’s durable, he performed well in the playoffs. Hope this helps your confused state.
he’s wildly inconsistent. “stuff” is cool and all, but its gotta manifest to be worth it.
Kelly reminds me of Mitch Williams, but not in a good way.
Start using punctuation and capitalize your sentences. It’s not that hard to do, since you comment on every single post every single day.
Cream, chill.
Joe isn’t destined to pump gas for a living
Incredible? The only reason he fits with the Dodgers is because he is childish. Ask Puig
Lights out in 2018 WS.
Joe Kelly is not as good as he used to be release him get hand it will help the Dodgers bullpen let’s remember joe Kelly broke his window throwing an off speed pitch before the season started again
This isn’t football, Kelly’s contact this year is guaranteed. They aren’t going to pay him 8 million to go play for another team when he is coming off a good season
Not only is he owed $8M for this year, he has a $4M buyout on a team option for 2022! Great job by Kelly’s agent securing this deal.
It’s not that bad of a contract.
Joe Kelly has a great arm, but can not use it effectively!!! Joe Kelly in 4 1/2 years with the Red Sox had an ERA 4.33 and a WHIP 1.389. He was barely average then had a great playoff run leading into free agency. He was and is not worth 3 year $27 million. The Red Sox lost the Lackey for Allen Craig/Joe Kelly in a huge way. Ben Cherington was a horrible GM !!!!!!!!!
(Sandoval, Hanley Ramirez, Rusney Castillo……)
Castillo never got a chance to show anything. Highest paid minor league player to never get called up! I’d like see someone give him a shot
Its only 8 million and it expires after 2021. Its better than Familia who got even more.
He had an incredible October notably vs. the Dodgers in the World Series.
Been very inconsistent ever since…
Arenado’s contract is an albatross. If Nolan doesn’t opt out, or if Rockies don’t pay off a good portion of the deal, they are married forever. Dodgers wont get Lindor w/o asking Seager if he is WILLING to slide to third. Bryant trade is most likely out of all of the scenarios, but that isn’t saying much. Welcome back, JT.
I agree. The Dodgers would have to give up a lot to get bryant or arenado. From the outside, it looks like turner is coming back
Not necessarily. I don’t agree with Hoornstra’s assessment in particular. The Rockies have very little leverage here. Not only would they lose Arenado for just the compensatory draft pick if he opts out after ’21, but Arenado also has a full no-trade clause. If he wants to go to one specific place — let’s say, the Dodgers — would the Rockies really just not trade him there out of spite, assuming the Dodgers offered something clearly better than the value of the compensatory pick?
As for Kris Bryant, he’s coming off a horrible season and has some concerns about his shoulder, and he’s an expiring with a high expected salary in arbitration. Obviously, the Cubs aren’t going to just give him away, but it’s not like the Dodgers would have to give up Dustin May or something.
I don’t know. After next year, he will be 30 years old. Will he walk away from a guaranteed 5 yrs 167mil? If he does, what team will top that following all the revenue losses from this year and possibly next? I don’t think all the leverage is with Nolan.
They already have 230 million dollar payroll its nothing to add a little more.
The Dodgers will be adding a little more!
A little more for Seager, a little more for Bellinger, a little more for Buehler, a little more for Urias & probably even a little more for Kershaw. Biggest areas to address for next year are relief pitching & a right handed bat, either as a replacement for Hernández or for Turner. That could turn out to be needing 2 right handed bats.
Arenados contract isn’t as bad as people like to make out. Ends when he’s 35 w him making less in last couple years. Compared to trout who will be 38 at end of his contract or votto at 41.
It’s around $45M under water according to baseballtradevalues. Seems about right.
Rockies position players are impossible to value via publicly available WAR calculations. Most of them, when leaving Denver, get a boost to their offensive metrics because park adjustments don’t account for the penalty they pay for having to play essentially two different sports, one at altitude and one not, and constantly adjusting between the two. Ask DJ LeMahieu about that.
Votto’s contract was onerous before the ink was even dry.
Turners going to Toronto. Time to move on from J.t and get younger
Seager is not going to switch a year before FA if he refused to do it two years ago. stop the madness. I saw somebody also mention Correa as a trade option for LA. These writers need to use their brains occasionally, please.
I also see Red back next season and if there is a DH, I see it as 100%.
None of their writers suggested Correa to the Dodgers to play third base. That was a commenter if you are talking about the Correa rumors article. As the writer said, the Dodgers were really interested in Francisco Lindor last off season. If they were to acquire one of the elite-level shortstops on the trade market right now, where would Seager go then? He’s just suggesting that the next best solution in that scenario would be moving him to 3B.
As if! The Dodgers won’t pick up anyone from the 2017 Astros, and that’s a FACT
I mean, it wouldn’t be the most outlandish thing to happen in 2020.
It kinda would.
I’m pretty sure a wide spread epidemic would take the cake of an Astro player playing on the Dodgers.
They picked up two pieces of the 2018 Red Sox. Granted they allegedly didn’t cheat in the Series, but they did cheat to get there.
The only way I could see Seager agreeing to move to third base would be if the Dodgers gave him a massive extension. If he got his money, then it would be a clear win for him. He’s going to have to move there eventually anyway. But in his walk year, yeah, he’s not going to want to move.
And that would mean that they trade for Lindor to play SS for one season as a strict rental. They aren’t going to give Seager $200MM and then turn around and do the same for Lindor.
Silly to trade for Lindor or Bryant as rentals. JT for 1yr plus keeping the prospects/ other players is much better. Then sign them as FA.
Signing JT for 2 years is ok too. He can be traded in year two or platooned etc. Eating some of the year two salary is less costly than what it would take to trade for either rental
Getting an extension window to negotiate with Bryant or Lindor is the way to go if they want either one instead of JT.
It’s not silly until we know the cost. I don’t think the Dodgers pull the trigger on Arenado or Lindor, but if the price is right, why not?
I believe that the Dodgers will come away with one of Arenado, Lindor, or Snell. Probably in that order, if I had to guess the likelihood.
They wouldn’t be rentals if it’s the Dodgers. See Betts, Mookie.
I agree. To play for the Dodgers! Nado would waive his opt out or renegotiate it. You don’t get an opportunity to play for a top tier club that will win tons of games everyday. Plus he will be going home. Colorado is so cheap I don’t see them eating any money. So I doubt the move happens. If Colorado eats 7-10 million per, then the deal can happen for several teams. Then I could see the Rangers, Dodgers, Cardinals, etc…. just not at 30 plus per.
If I was the Dodgers I’d go for it. They want the right handed middle of order bat, Nolan wants to win. If you are that pressed on turner for the sentimental value, slide him to first, shove Bellinger back in the outfield(already plays there anyways). Hernandez is the odd man out. Deals will be had in the bull pen, relief pitching is In No short supply and deals will be had due to the financial turmoil(especially at reliever). Turner can still hit and has something left but he’s not Nolan. His defense is not Nolan either(besides Chapman who is?). After next season you have more coming off the books. Makes a ton of sense. Only thing is the financial aspect. Which is obviously the biggest reason this deal more than likely will not happen. Makes sense on paper but usually not how things work.
@Troutgolfsinoctober Arenado isn’t waiving any opt-out. Players don’t give away leverage just for funsies.
Atlanta makes more sense. But they’re too cheap. I don’t understand they’re way of building a team, One year rentals, Smyly? Go for it or sell the team to someone who will build a winner!
It’s not for funzies, it allows him to go to his preferred trade destination and not have to opt into free agency when the pandemic is still on Going and a strike looming. If you believe him, where winning is most important, then yes him being traded to the Dodgers would be enough justification that he may opt into the rest of his deal as part of the trade
People keep saying that. But how many times has a player actually waived his opt-out as part of a trade? I can’t name even one. That’s a lot of leverage right there that you are asking Arenado to just swat to the ground. If he plays well in 2021, he could opt out and sign with LA for even more $.
This Brave fan since 1959 ( no typo ) agrees with you….. Braves should go after Turner, take the pressure off Riley. Turner could use some breaks now and then but he is a terrific hitter and still above average at third. The Braves are generally cheap, Smyly I don’t get.
@seamaholic sure they would. See Hill, Rich, Darvish, Yu and Machado, Manny.
Betts signing an extension was never part of the deal when they traded for him anyway.
The Dodgers focusing on the high-profile *free* reliever market is a crafty move. Who knew players worked for free. Will help with managing to the luxury tax.
Arenado at 3B, Turner at 1B, Muncy or Lux at 2B, Seager at SS. Betts in RF, Pollock in LF, Bellinger in CF. Barnes/Ruiz/Smith at C. Taylor and Muncy/Lux become platoon and/or UTs. One more bench guy. Looks like a good lineup to me.
I bet the Rockies want one of Ruiz or Lux for Nolan tho.
Maybe a package of May, Graterol and Edwin Rios gets it done but does LA want to pay Colorado’s price?
There is no way Arenado is getting anywhere close to that talent unless it’s a guarantee he is not opting out
Dodgers are not trading May or Urias.
They aren’t trading anybody of significance for Arenado unless the Rockies kick in a whole lot of green. His contract is deep underwater.
I doubt the Dodgers get Arenado and or Lindor. Not when you have guys like Rios and can resign Turner and Kike. The later makes much more sense.
Great point. Rios absolutely RAKES and plays a passable 3B. Would be smarter to keep JT, especially if the DH is retained in the NL next season.
That’s the wise choice, financially speaking. However, getting another player of that caliber would all but guarantee and another trip to the series. I’m not sure who really has their stuff together enough to beat them. Atlanta was great and I like them guys a lot. Almost everyone on the team seemed like they hit 280 plus and that’s just not realistically going to happen again. Plus, they need more starting pitching(like half the league). So I’m not sure who is really threatening them in the NL right now. Sure, anything can happen. What is more likely to happen though?
Bottom line is……. does Andrew Friedman think the same team with no 3b or SS upgrade, is good enough to take them back? I would bet the answer is yes. I think he has enough young talent to plug and play for one more year, plenty SS to be had next offseason. Even though I want him to upgrade(wish nado or Frankie could play for a winner). They will more than likely be just fine standing pat, that’s how strong their team is.
The Dodgers don’t need an upgrade at SS. Corey Seager had a real case to be the NL MVP this year. I don’t understand why people overlook Seager, he is one of the Top 5 SS in MLB. The Dodgers need the most help at 2nd base (not sold on Lux) and of course 3rd base if Turner does leave. They really should work on re-signing Seager this offseason to a long term deal.
Dorothy, I think it is mainly his defense. He is very good at balls hit to him, but his range is poor. It’s only going to go down from here.
If Turner doesn’t come back to LA, it just further proves my point that analytically-minded teams tend to be impersonal when it comes to their players. Turner has been a Dodgers fan favorite for years, and even though he is still putting up great numbers, they want to replace him with a younger one year superstar that they will probably extend… even though those guys will hit free agency next off-season (barring an extension with another team). Idk, it just feels wrong to let go of Turner after he helped the team win the WS, just to go and get a superstar player to put in place of an already great player. If they could do both, then good for them, but otherwise it just further proves my hypothesis.
That’s an interesting thought. I think you’re largely correct with that idea. I think the Dodgers may add on a small ‘hometown bonus’ to keep a fan favorite like Turner or Kershaw, but I agree that they won’t go much over market value no matter how popular the player is.
Atlanta makes more sense. But they’re too cheap. I don’t understand they’re way of building a team, One year rentals, Smyly? Go for it or sell the team to someone who will build a winner!
Ah yes the great “analytics-minded teams in regards to free agency” hypothesis from Rangers29. I think I saw that on ESPN last week.
Castillo also points out in his piece that the Dodgers trading for Arenado would not preclude them from also bringing back Turner. This time last year the talk was of moving him to 1B, and that makes just as much sense now if not more so. In another piece today Castillo calculates that the Dodgers will have around $44M to spend this year before hitting the CBT. With a bunch of work to do in the bullpen that doesn’t provide a lot of wiggle room, especially if they go after Hand.
I’d argue that Friedman and Co. put much consideration into clubhouse chemistry. They’ve parted with players that have well documented character issues such as Kemp and Puig while consistently keeping pillars such as Utley and Freese in the fold. This team clicks and it’s not by accident.
No, Dodgers are just smart and prepared for life without Turner. JT most likely only has 1-2 good seasons left tops.
Meh. The Dodgers resigned Kenley and Kershaw before FA even was officially beginning. So kinda blows your idea out of the water right there
This is much more a kin to Rich hill going to FA proving he had a three-year $48 million type offer on the table and then the Dodgers matched it. That was for hills 34 to 37 or 38 I believe. I would bet Turner is trying to get three maybe even four years and that is why the Dodgers have not already re-upped him
Nah. Turner’s last contract was as close to a sweetheart hometown deal as we’re ever going to see in baseball. No evidence four years ago that he was interested in playing anywhere else, or that the Dodgers wanted to see it happen, and none now. He will be back. My guess is two years plus an option.
If we are to believe Arenado’s road numbers, Justin Turner produces more offensively than Arenado with the exception of home runs. Why would the Dodgers want to pay a ton for Arenado or give up anyone for Bryant when Turner might be the better offensive player of the three?
No brainer here. Re-sign Turner.
Defense… age… longevity…
Dodgers using media to posture against JT. Oldest trick in the book
Why do you assume any of this is coming from the Dodgers? Sounds mainly just like media speculation and nothing more.
Morosi, Castillo and Hoornstra are not credible when it comes to the Dodgers. Nothing they ever say comes close to happening.
Not true of Hoornstra.
I always enjoy his take even when I disagree.
Oh wow the dodgers are in play for every superstar at every position. YAWN
If Dodgers sign Hand, they should look to include Jansen in any trade for Arenado. Don’t imagine Rockies would be opposed if Dodgers take the remainder of Arenado’s contract and Jansen could fill the closer role for a season.
Jansen doesn’t like to pitch in Colorado because of his heart issue.
Maybe that’s changed but I don’t they’re a good match.
The Dodgers may make the deal for Arenado or Lindor.. that is true enough.. but as we sit here today.. there doesn’t appear to be any change in the ability to have fans in the stands in 2021.. making the FA’s after next season… available to a very few teams.. So, even if there is not an extension.. there will be an overall reduction in the number of teams that would be willing to shell out a massive contract.. ergo, a discount on a long term deal with either Arenado or Lindor after the 2021 season and second parade…
Arenado controls where he goes if Colorado decides to move him and if they consider the salary too much why would they take a chance on injury this year and paying $200M
Dodgers can pay both Seager and Arenado over the next 5/6 yrs
Dodgers should offer Seager 5yr/$120M extension, if he does not agree trade him
Arenado & Seager on the left side for 5 yrs would be solid
Also Arenado acquisition would guarantee Seager he would stay at SS
Remember $70+M come off the payroll next year and probably the only resign is Kershaw for less than he is making now
Sets the stage for offering Bellinger, Buehler and Urias extensions in a. Purple of years
Two relievers a must/ 3 are better but can do 1 or 2 via trade versus FA
Adding a starter is also possible via trade rather than FA
Go over the luxury tax this year if needed but drop back next year to clear for the future extensions
Honestly, I don’t think 5/$120M comes close to getting Seager done, nor should it. He’s shown what he can do and performed in the playoff crucible, all while playing a premium position.
These types of players now cost somewhere in the realm of $30 million AAV and they usually want 8-10 year deals. My guess is, he gets somewhere around 9yr/$270M or so, and they should lock him up for that.
While I gave you a thumbs up and I agree. It’s so crazy to think Seager is gonna get 200 plus. Not saying he’s not good, it’s just a ton for a guy who I never thought was great. He was very good but not great imo.
I guess it’s more than the eye test. It’s the market. Semien has only had one great season. Story plays in colorado(according to half the idiots you must be trash if you play there). Simmons can’t stay healthy….. really Frankie is the only one who is a bonafide stud. I guess when you look at it from that view, Seager is the second best shortstop.
@Troutgolfsinoctober, Seager – 129 OPS+, Lindor – 118 OPS+. Lindor is the better defender, has more HR power and has been durable. Seager gets on base and walks at a higher rate. Their 162 game averages across all stats are actually very similar, but I would agree that Lindor is objectively the more valuable player to 29 teams not named the Dodgers.
I know you didn’t mention Lindor in your comment, but I wanted to point out that Seager and Lindor deliver very similar value on the field, with the big “but” being Seager’s injury history.
For those reasons, I think he’s worth 80-90% of whatever Lindor sets the market at.
Lindor is far from a clean bill of injury himself
Seager is the one who has proven he’s healthy post injury. Lindor has not
Everyone is on Lindors jock. It’s kinda laughable if you look at his numbers this year to claim he’s a 200M player and worth more than seager to 29 teams. What an uneducated comment
@Laughing@You…You’re making yourself look like a fool. Both players came into the league in 2015, yet Lindor has played in 230 more games than Seager…That’s nearly a season and a half. You can’t discount this.
For the record, I’ve been a Dodgers fan since 1980 and know a little about this team. I’d rather have Corey Seager than Lindor if I had to pick one because A) You don’t let a player walk to sign a similar one for more money and B) the guy is home grown and the Dodgers know what they have because they’ve seen him perform in their stadium and uniform against NL competition. These things make Seager more valuable to the Dodgers than any other team.
Good points I had no idea on the ops plus as well, thanks for that. I just feel on the eye test Frankie is better and I feel like most teams want Frankie over Seager if you could choose. I hate how obp is so over valued in statistics. If you had 130 runs or something cool I get it, but it’s like you get value added because what could have happened. Not what happened. Just feel like war and ops plus weigh so heavily in on base. Not saying it’s not valuable. I just know what my eyes see. They see Lindor as the better player.
Seager is basically not much different than Lindor. If they want to trade for him they will have to unload the farm system, and they only get him for a year. If they want to resign him they would unload big money when they already are close to the tax threshold and Seager/Bellinger/Urias and more are going to be really expensive soon.
Turner should probably be resigned, but the Dodgers shouldn’t spend big prospects and big money on a piece like Arenado or Lindor.
@ashamed. I’m the fool? Because you can’t read?
I never said seager missed less time than lindor. I said Lindor has missed time himself as well
I will say I assumed he was hurt in 2020, but he played in all 60 games. I stand corrected. However he posted a 102 OPS+ This year with no injury. That’s honestly worse than being able to say, well he was hurt at least
So I’ll amend my statement. Seager is the one who has proven he has a superstar quality bat, after injury concerns. Lindor needs to reestablish himself or he’s getting no where near 200M next year
Kershaw isn’t what he used to be. They should have let him walk. I’d shook his hand on the way out and spent the money on younger talent! His ego isn’t worth what he’s making.
LOL to this comment.
Kershaw just had his best statistical season of the last three years at least and gained multiple miles per hour on his pitches
Go be a Padres fan or a Giants fan or whatever you pretend to be
Sunshines on a dog’s ass every once in awhile.
MLBTR is predicting a 2/$24m contract for Turner. If that’s what he’s going for, the Cardinals should be all over him, and shift Edman over 2nd. Not only would be an offensive boost, he would fit in well with the Cardinals’ predilection for spreading Covid.
I don’t see the Dodgers trading for either Lindor or Arenado, at least not if they intend to re-up with Seager and keep Bellinger long-term. It’s not even about the prospects, as much as it is a matter of payroll: While the Dodgers have spent lavishly on their internal free agents, they’ve not typically made the 9-digit splash that everyone seems to expect, Betts deal aside.
My prediction is, Turner comes back on a modest 2-year deal at around $20 million, Seager is extended this year, with Bellinger to follow the next. I mean, maybe they’re in on Bryant if the Cubs sell low, and maybe he replaces turner, but I just don’t see it happening.
Your point on extensions is valid, but why does that exclude them from a one year rental? They’ve done this with Darvish& Machado, why can’t they simply do it for a complete season instead of half a season? Then let them walk?
A 2021 trade, for Lindor or Bryant, doesnt mean you are locked on for 200M..
So your saying to unload someone like Ruiz or even Lux to get one year of Lindor or Bryant. Both players are MLB ready, have 6 years of control, and the Dodgers have a perfectly good shortstop.
I really hope you’re not talking to me DWC. I’ve been one of the strongest “Lux won’t be traded for almost anyone” advocates
Neither should be offered for Lindor or Bryant. But that doesn’t mean the dodgers can’t explore a one year trade. They have a top 5 farm. It has more than 2 guys. Don’t come at me with stupidity like that
Of course the Dodgers can explore a one year trade, but at the trade deadline AF made it quite clear he would only trade for players that would have an impact for years to come. Things have changed, as AF will undoubtedly be looking for 1 year rentals for relievers, but that doesn’t mean they are going to trade for Linder. Second, I’m sure AF will not accept a deal including Lux, bUt he is what Cleveland asked for last time. The only thing that has changed is that he’s now a rental. So he drops out of Lux, but still commands a top 100 prospect? Grey? Who I don’t think should be traded at all? Ruiz? He might be expendable.
Then the Indians need OF help. The dodgers have a great OF, but no one is up for trading. Joc is in FA, Kike is too, Pollock is paid too much for the Indians to want him, and trading CT3 would hurt our depth. He’s not even worth enough in trade anyways,
So DJ Peters could go to Cleveland, which means we wouldn’t need to trade a top prospect, but Peters is still not totally big league ready with that strikeout issue, and he wouldn’t get the deal done anyways. The dodgers would then have to trade some depth such as Beaty and/ or a recent draft pick like Kode Hoese, but Hoese is likely the future Dodgers 3b, so he’s not worth a year of Lindor. Micheal Bush is probably blocked out by Lux, but Lux hasn’t proven himself yet, so Busch can be traded, but if Lux burns out, CT3’s ga free agent and the dodgers don’t have a second basemen, meaning Taylor will demand more because he has leverage, which cuts into spending plans. I feel good about the chances that all of the top 4 dodgers draft picks in 2020 will make the majors in some team, so I wouldn’t trade them right away.
The point is Lindor is a top prospect or a long hard. negotiation where the Indians have leverage and will likely hit some of the dodgers hidden prizes, and even with those the trade wouldn’t be enough.
Maybe a 1 year trade is better because those prospects may be worth Lindor on our side.
But look at Yu Darvish. The dodgers thought they were getting a superstar that they didn’t really need, but he blew up come playoff time, (ok, he probably didn’t, the trash can blew him up, but it’s more likely a hitter blows up than a pitcher) and the players we gave them, though not top tier at the time, are now pretty darn good. And all we got was less than a year with him. One year with Lindor is not much different than half a year.
Then there is the fact that good pitching and defense beats good hitting in a short series. The dodgers won the NLCS because of great pitching and defense, and bad baserunning by the braves. With Soroka coming back and Morton and Smyly on the Braves, they have good pitching. The way to beat that is by focusing on pitching. Great pitching beats good pitching, This lineup is not always crushing. If Snell, Fried, and Anderson, who aren’t even aces, shut us down, Lindor will be of a help, but only a little. He doesn’t even have good playoff experience.
The dodgers lineup already crushes. A Lindor trade eliminates all point in a JT signing, which hurts the clubhouse. It also means Seager must slide to.third, something he won’t do in his walk year without big money for an extension, which hurts Dodgers spending. The dodgers have areas to work on, but shortstop is not one of them.
Average 162 game stat-line over career;
Lindor: .285/.346/.488/.833 29HR, 86RBI, 21/27 SB/Attempts, 29 doubles, 106 runs
Seager: .295/.362/.500/.863. 26HR, 92RBI, 3/4 SB/Attempts, 43 doubles, 102 runs
So we’re getting speed and defense (always useful, but could come cheaper), and a few extra home runs. But if last year Seager is to be believed, he might hit more than 30 on a yearly basis.
Normally I discount the hometown connection but Turner is probably the exception. Fullerton grad, Loves the team and area. There’s no spot for him here or even in SD.
If the Dodgers want him back, he’ll sign a very reasonable deal to stay, I think.
The Dodgers are what the Yankees used to be. It’s a shame how things have changed
Yes it is………. Yes. It. Is.
I feel like New York is in purgatory. Always competing but not having enough to make it over that hump. Perhaps staying healthy enough to make it over the hump. Whichever is your opinion though, they clearly can’t get over the hump. It’s is Wednesday though, hence all the hump references. Hump daaaaaay !
That’s a joke. The Dodgers had the highest percentage of they are roster that came through the minor-league system of any playoff team this year. The Yankees of the 90s and 2000s historically just bought every free agent for tens of millions of dollars. Youre just wrong
Plenty of teams out there can use an extra ‘Hand.’
I’m surprised nobody has moved on him, though. Good lefty closer who can be a solid setup man and back up closer for depth – I’d say he’s worth the $10M he was going to be paid.
Financially Colorado doing business with the Dodgers makes all the sense in the world but the average diehard Colorado fan would go berserk. Honestly, I think there is more of a chance we see Bryant in Los Angeles then Nolan. I really do not see them making a deal for Lindor unless Francisco‘s people tell the Dodgers upon the trade they would be willing to discuss an extension like Mookie did.
It makes sense, but Monfort HATES the Dodgers and would probably not do business with them unless he absolutely was sure he was winning the deal in the eyes of the public…A tall task when trading a franchise favorite. Additionally, the Friedman front office has always been (mostly) shrewd and would not blunder into an overpay to get Arenado or any other “superstar” player.
Even if they discussed an extension with Lindor, it might rule out extending Seager or Bellinger.
The Dodgers should resign JT, then pry away Snell from Tampa Bay for Lux, and two minor leaguers…….Arenado too expensive, he is only great at Coors Field (hitting) then his average drops in every ball park in the U.S.
Dodgers need more reliable closers……..Keep Taylor at 2B for now….
just saying…….. GO BLUE!!! DODGERS will go DEEP in the playoffs every year!! They just need to keep signing veteran pitchers who are hungry for that WS ring!!! (at a discount) Friedman style!!!
Despite how much I love JT, how much he has given to us, and what he means to the team and the city; I don’t see him playing even 65% of the games in 3B and/or not getting injured. He would make sense if the universal DH is approved. I don’t see the team making changes to get Lindor, Bryant or Arenado, basically because of future commitments within the team; But even with JT, another respectful right-handed bat was needed, preferably one to play in the infield, so I think signing LeMahieu is a great option, and one that is compatible with bringing JT back.
Despite how much I love JT, how much he has given to us, and what he means to the team and the city; I don’t see him playing even 65% of the games in 3B and/or not getting injured. He would make sense if the universal DH is approved. I don’t see the team making changes to get Lindor, Bryant or Arenado, basically because of future commitments within the team; But even with JT, another respectful right-handed bat was needed, preferably one to play in the infield, so I think signing LeMahieu is a great option, and one that is compatible with bringing JT back.
Liam Hendricks, Brad Hand, & Francisco Lindor.
Let’s go Friedman!
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Lindor would definitely sign an extension with the Dodgers.
So he told you this?
I mean good lord, if I were a GM, and the Dodgers got Lindor, I’d probably just wave the white flag and surrender..lol
Betts
Seager
Lindor
Muncy
Smith
Bellinger
Rios
Pollack
Lux/Beatty/Taylor
That just wouldn’t be fair whatsoever!! Is wholeheartedly be completely jealous if it happened, but it would make it pretty dang amazing if someone, somehow beat them come playoff time…
Anyways, back to reality, yeah, they could go ahead and engrave the next World Series trophy or three, especially if they resigned Lindor..
Yeah, but who would they trade to get Lindor? Lux? Rios? Ruiz? A big package?
Remember, they only get 1 year of Lindor. If they want to unload big money to extend him it probably rules out extending Seager or Bellinger.
And the Braves just got Charlie Morton. That rotation will be SCARY, even with that good of a lineup.
Soroka
Fried
Morton
Anderson
Smyly
Lindor probably costs Josiah Gray and a lower level guy
You’re putting words in others mouth then freaking out on them. Nice strategy
Cleveland asked for Lux for two years of Lindor, Now he probably costs Ruiz or Grey plus an MLB-ready outfielder, which the Dodgers have none that are tradeable (see above). Oh, and they have to outbid other teams,
Plus I am a do-not-trade-Grey person. He’s going to be a solid starter,
See above.
Yeah, but who would they trade to get Lindor? Lux? Rios? Ruiz? A big package?
Remember, they only get 1 year of Lindor. If they want to unload big money to extend him it probably rules out extending Seager or Bellinger.
And the Braves just got Charlie Morton. That rotation will be SCARY, even with that good of a lineup.
Soroka
Fried
Morton
Anderson
Smyly.
Any thought to moving Will Smith to 3B, ala Todd Zeile? I know that changing positions isn’t as easy as fans try to make it out to be, and he hasn’t done well in the few games he’s played there in the minors. But it’s clear that the Dodgers want Smith’s bat in the lineup everyday, & the Dodger’s top position player prospect is also a catcher who should be ready for the bigs in 2021. IF it can be done, & I understand that it’s a big “if,” it just seems to make a whole lot of sense not to at least try it.
Will Smith, Austin Barnes are both catchers that should be able to handle 3rd.
Chris Taylor is another righty, Edwin Rios and Lux can handle it as lefty batters.
Dodgers have versatility.
The Dodgers have Rios who was called up last year that can play 3B. He has shown great power. They Dodger also have other young 3B getting close to the majors. If they don’t choose to to resign Turner because he will want big $$$, I would rather trade for a SP like Snell then sign one or to of the dominant RP available. The Dodgers don’t really need another bat, especially if they have to pay big buck including the luxury tax in addition. Lux needs to be given the chance to seize 2B. Taylor can cover 2B or 3B also when needed.
Please don’t let the Dodgers get Linder or Arenado. They would be unstoppable.
Why are you worried? Both players are only for 2021.
Yeah they would be unstoppable in 2021. If they get either Lindor or Arenado, then they have three legitimate MVP contenders in Betts, Bellinger, and either Lindor or Arenado. Plus they have some other really good players in Smith and Seager who could potentially get MVP votes. That’s why I don’t want one of those guys going to the Dodgers.
They wouldn’t. They would unload the farm, spend big money to extend him, and then he will die out as time goes on. The Giants had a great team, but they signed too many big money extensions and killed the farm and died out.
Mookie is already signed until 40. What if he id a beast for the first few years before turning into an Albert Pujols? The Dodgers are taking a risk with Mookie, and another one is too much.
“ They would unload the farm, spend big money to extend him, and then he will die out as time goes on.”
You clearly are not a Dodger fan. None of this is tru
And once again, a trade doesn’t mean they have to extend him.
They aren’t risking a thing. Mookie is much more athletic than Pujols. Dodgers also get 3 more prime years out of Mookie than the Angels did from Pujols.
Dodgers sign Turner a no brainer and trade for Snell! Arenado can opt next year and then sign him!
Stupid. Unload the farm, which is the reason the Dodgers became such an unstoppable team, to trade for 1 year of Lindor, who’s not much better than Seager. Then, they sign Lindor to an extension for like 9 years and $300 million. Now the Dodgers will be over the Luxury tax for many years. Even though the Dodgers spend more than other teams, their owners are still small money. So they no longer can sign Lux and/or Belli and/or Seager to an extension. Lindor will likely not keep his pace up for 9 years, so they end up paying someone $30 million a year to not really helping much, essentially making Lindor an Albert Pujols (and he’s not even as good as Pujols was in his prime). So because of all this dead money on the roster, the Dodgers have to rely on their farm slightly more due to this diminished spending capability. Except that the farm is weakened by the trade. So the Dodgers go into a decline. In the meantime, the Padres keep building their farm to build an even better team, and their players get more experienced, and they end up knocking the Dodgers out from the NL West throne.
The 2010-14 Giants had some amazing homegrown players but spent too much money on them. The players eventually died out, leaving millions of dollars of dead money. The Giants are now laughable. The Dodgers have better scouting staff and probably won’t go down that quick, but it will be much quicker with Lindor.
When you sign a superstar to the long-term extension they inevitably demand, you are getting more bad years than good ones. Mookie was probably an exception, but he still is a risk. There is a larger risk of signing Lindor than Betts, and an even larger risk of signing both of them. Plus, the Dodgers already have Corey Seager, who is probably the second or third best shortstop (behind Lindor). Don’t unload the farm to trade for a player who is almost the same and more expensive.
Dodgers have Rios to play 3B, but Turner would be nice. A reliever or two is a must-have. I would go with Hand, as the Dodgers had a shortage of good left-handed relievers in 2019 and although they were much better in 2020, most cooled off by the end of the year and the performances were likely flukes. I would also go with Ken Giles as he is coming off an injury season and so will come cheap, but he starred with a 1.87 ERA in Toronto, a hitters paradise, in 2019. He also had ERAs below two in his rookie and sophomore seasons in Philly, despite having the closer role early on. DJLM would be an ok replacement for JT if he doesn’t demand a long-term deal, but other than that the Dodgers don’t need much.
I suspect the Dodgers will navigate these waters pretty well. They didn’t get here by chance.
Only in your world does Lindor get 9/300 from the dodgers right now. Seriously
5000 words on a complete bs alternate world
Whatever he gets. He’s too expensive.
I have no idea what your getting at here but back on planet earth the Dodgers did not trade for and extend Lindor.
Seager is represented by Scott Boras, which means that the Dodgers are not going to get a good deal on an extension. Like Arenado and Lindor, he may be on another team in 2022. Friedman knows this and may actually trade him for someone who can provide long-term quality. If Lux can learn how to hit major league pitchers, he could replace Seager at short. He was a shortstop in the minors. I think that the Dodgers would be better off giving LeMahieu a 5-year contract. They have options at 3rd (Turner, Rios, Muncy) and LeMahieu is that quality long-term piece. Seager can be traded for a package of quality pitching.
When with the Rockies, DJL was a 91 OPS+ hitter in the NLW, with coors. Not sure his numbers in NY translate to LAD