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Padres Re-Sign Jurickson Profar

By Steve Adams | January 27, 2021 at 4:09pm CDT

JAN. 27: Bob Nightengale of USA Today has the full breakdown of the deal, which is now official: Profar will earn a $3.5MM salary and a $2.5MM signing bonus next season; 2022 includes a $6.5MM player option or a $1MM buyout; 2023 features a $7.5MM player option or a $1MM buyout; and Profar has a $10MM mutual option or a $1MM buyout for 2024. He’ll earn another $350K every time he’s traded.

JAN. 22: 10:32am: Profar’s contract contains an opt-out clause after each of the first two seasons, tweets MLB Network’s Jon Heyman.

10:02am: The Padres have agreed to re-sign infielder/outfielder Jurickson Profar on a three-year, $21MM contract, reports ESPN’s Jeff Passan (via Twitter). Profar is represented by the Boras Corporation.

Jurickson Profar | Orlando Ramirez-USA TODAY Sports

A new deal with Profar marks the latest strike in an ultra-aggressive winter for the Padres, who have already acquired Blake Snell, Yu Darvish and Joe Musgrove on the trade market in addition to signing Korea Baseball Organization superstar Ha-Seong Kim on a four-year deal. Kim’s ability to bounce around the infield and support the trio of Manny Machado, Fernando Tatis Jr. and Jake Cronenworth at any position likely means that Profar is again ticketed for more work on the outfield grass than in the infield, although his versatility will allow him to be deployed virtually anywhere skipper Jayce Tingler sees fit.

The three-year term on the Profar deal registers as a bit of a surprise, though the Padres had some competition for the soon-to-be 28-year-old. The Royals were known to have interest in Profar, and MLB Network’s Jon Heyman tweets that the Red Sox “tried hard” to sign Profar before he ultimately returned to San Diego.

The 2020 season was Profar’s first with the Padres, who acquired him last winter in a deal with the A’s. Profar got out to a disastrous start to the season but rode a sizzling hot streak over the final three-plus weeks of the season to finish out the year with a .278/.343/.428 batting line.

Profar’s season is representative of the difficulty in evaluating players on the heels of such a short year; the end results look solid, but it also should be noted that as late into the season as Aug. 27, Profar was batting .181/.291/.319. That was surely a cause of some concern for some clubs, as was the fact that Profar ranked in the 23rd percentile or worse in terms of exit velocity, hard-hit rate and barrel rate, per Statcast.

That said, Profar was clearly still a fairly in-demand free agent. That’s plenty understandable given that back in 2013, he was regarded as the consensus No. 1 prospect in all of baseball. Profar rocketed through the Rangers’ system after being signed as an amateur out of Curacao, making his MLB debut at just 19 years old in the final weeks of the 2012 season. Unfortunately for both him and for the Rangers, a pair of shoulder injuries led to multiple surgeries, wiping out two full years of development.

Profar never established himself as a regular in Texas, struggling to find playing time behind a veteran infield that included the likes of Adrian Beltre and an in-his-prime Elvis Andrus. Profar had an above-average year at the plate in 2018 as a utility player but still found himself traded to Oakland that winter — a match that didn’t pan out whatsoever. The A’s picked up Profar in hopes that he could solidify second base for his remaining two years of team control, but he battled a borderline case of the yips that resulted in a slew of throwing errors and batted just .218/.310/.401 in 139 games. Oakland traded him to San Diego after that lone year.

Three-year deal notwithstanding, Profar is in many regards still something of a project. The 2020 and 2018 seasons are the only two years he’s ever been at least average at the plate, and as this past season showed, he’s yet to find much consistency at the dish. That said, it was Padres general manager A.J. Preller who was running the Rangers’ international scouting operations when Profar originally signed as a 16-year-old. Based on not only the surprising size of the contract but also the multiple opt-out provisions, Preller seemingly remains a firm believer that Profar can match or exceed last year’s composite output.

That said, the inclusion of the two opt-out clauses effectively saps any upside for the Padres in this contract. If Profar reverts to his ways as a light-hitting utility piece without a position where he’s a true plus defender, the Friars will be on the hook for the full $21MM. If he, at any point, performs at an above-average level, he’ll surely head back to the open market in search of a larger deal — especially given his relative youth. The best outcome for the Padres would be for Profar to rake in 2021 and head back to market, and this contract structure is essentially a $21MM bet that that’ll be the case.

The Padres were already projected to open the season with a roughly $167MM payroll prior to their new deal with Profar. That would’ve been a franchise-record in its own right, but Friars ownership will continue to buck the common trend of shedding payroll taken by most clubs this winter, instead spending at new levels in their effort to dethrone the Dodgers, who have won eight consecutive division titles and, of course, toppled the Rays in the 2020 World Series. The $7MM annual value on Profar’s deal also pushed the Padres to more than $177MM in luxury-tax obligations.

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  1. DarkSide830

    1 month ago

    dayum even their bench is going to be leet

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    • Hosmer for HOF

      1 month ago

      We have an unusual history of “busting” or just individual players becoming terrible at the worst time. Assuming this can’t happen to the whole team and the fact that it’s not my money being wasted as a security blanket I love it! Surprised and glad we get profar back

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      • sdfriarfan

        1 month ago

        Different GM/ownership/mentality/players.

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    • FredMcGriff for the HOF

      1 month ago

      Not even a Padres fan (though I did admire Tony Gwynn Sr). I would say the Padres are the most improved team this season and I think they are know ahead of the Dodgers with depth.

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    • DakotaJoe

      1 month ago

      Profar (and Odor) is a Jeckyl and Hyde player. I wish him well and even though an east coast guy I’m excited for the Padres, but I’d be surprised if this turns out well.

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  2. spanishpole

    1 month ago

    There we go. That’s what was expected. Chances they’re done now? Maybe.

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    • JDGoat

      1 month ago

      They’re the Padres, they still have to trade for Jose Ramirez and Sonny Gray…

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      • BlackMammoth

        1 month ago

        Why?

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        • DarkSide830

          1 month ago

          because adding two ace caliber SP didnt stop them from adding.

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        • Dunk Dunkington

          1 month ago

          Because they do

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    • ukpadre

      1 month ago

      Still need an arm in the bullpen. Perhaps Rosenthal.

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  3. JDGoat

    1 month ago

    Seems like too many years and too much money for a piece that might not even start for them. But he did make a good impression last year so maybe this could end up to be a bit of a bargain.

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    • spanishpole

      1 month ago

      With his ability to play both outfield and infield, and the improvements he made last season I wonder if they think they lock him up while he may still rise in value. Could be a nice trade piece before the deadline if there’s something they still need.

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      • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

        1 month ago

        Opt-outs kill any trade value he might have had.

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    • lordd99

      1 month ago

      Multi-position player. Every team wants them, few players can do it well. He can. They’ll rotate across positions. He’ll play a lot and provide protection for inevitable injuries. $7M isn’t much for someone with his skill set.

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      • WereAllJustGuestsHere

        1 month ago

        You can find his skillset for cheaper. It’s an overpay. Let’s admit the obvious here. They love Profar and we’re willing to pay him more to keep him.

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      • ayrbhoy

        1 month ago

        Spanish and Lord: good point re his value due to his positional flexibility. That is exactly why I hoped the Mariners would sign him.

        You know, It wasn’t that long ago that my Padres friend was talking about how ‘his Friars’ and ‘my M’s’ have been losing franchises for so long. Now look at that SD roster! It seems like it changed overnight but SD fans have had to endure a long rebuild to get to this point. I’m happy for him and fellow Pads fans, you guys deserve it

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      • RobM

        1 month ago

        Lord, I agree. It’s a good deal because of his age, multi position capability and skills. We’re talking about someone who was ranked as the #1 prospect in all MLB and is still in his 20s, in his prime seasons. I can’t see it as an overpay since the price of a win now is around $9 million. I was going to say it was an strong deal, but then I saw the terms. The downside here is the Padres have assumed all the risk without the upside since he has two opt outs. Has a good to great year? The Padres lose him. Has a bad year? He stays. That part I don’t like. The addition I do like and the price isn’t bad at all for the player.

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        • LosPobres1904

          1 month ago

          I though opt-out was the other way around…doh!

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    • lowereastsider

      1 month ago

      Poor man’s Ben Zobrist. He’s 27 and the Padres will have him during his prime years. Even if this goes horribly wrong, he still has defensive value.

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    • beersy

      1 month ago

      Pham is free agent after this season and Myers the next, they have to hold down the corner outfield positions until Hassell III/Abrams (if he moves off of SS) are ready to push Grisham out of center. Plus he will get plenty of playing time I am sure with injuries and possibly the DH returning to the NL.

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      • bucketbrew35

        1 month ago

        Move Grisham out of center? What am I missing here? The guy had 7 DRS and a UZR150 of 21.1 at a premium position last year. Who exactly do you think bumps him over to left or right and fields better than that while also producing offensively at his level?

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        • Simodine

          1 month ago

          Abrams probably moves to second. He definitely isn’t playing center unless Grisham regressed.

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        • beersy

          1 month ago

          3 years from now, if Hassell III or Abrams are ready, one of them will be the starting centerfielder for the Padres, not Grisham.

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        • Pads Fans

          1 month ago

          SSS. Don’t expect him to repeat that in a full season.

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        • thelegendaryharambe

          1 month ago

          I agree Koamalu

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      • Longtimecoming

        1 month ago

        I’m more troubled that they gambled on Pham (DFA candidate) than bringing Profar back. I think Profar is great insurance for Pham but will prove my DFA desire correct if he is needed for that! I wanted him back from day one but wasn’t thinking 3/21. 2/14 maybe. If Pham produces and stays healthy there is no rule that says Profar can’t be traded if he is excess come July.

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        • Simodine

          1 month ago

          Pham is more proven and has a higher upside. For 1 million more on a 1 year deal he is worth the risk.

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        • Padres2019ha

          1 month ago

          16 mil for pham and profar is pretty good

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    • cubfever7

      1 month ago

      I agree, seems like an overpay. But at one time he was the #1 prospect in MLB, have to assume The Pads believe they can extract a lot of value.

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      • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

        1 month ago

        Prospect rankings don’t win championships

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        • RobM

          1 month ago

          No, but adding talent does. That’s what the Padres did here. Deepening the talent and the bench to get ready for the grind of a 162-game season. That’s key to winning a championship.

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    • ayrbhoy

      1 month ago

      JDGoat – Re: Profar making a good impression in the last 3 weeks of the season despite a horrible start to his SD stint. That bad beginning to his Padres ‘season’ reminded me of something the young Mariners RP Joey Gerber said during a recent interview. I’ve seen you comment on M’s articles- maybe you’ve heard it.

      Gerber said his 2020 velo was down from previous years because he couldn’t access proper gym equipment to maintain the level of strength he had leading up to the Pandemic lock down. Seeing Profar’s Aug 27 line of .181/.291/.319 makes me wonder if he had similar preseason challenges/difficulties.

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  4. lucas0622

    1 month ago

    I’m just happy I finally got a free agent prediction right

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  5. Jacob Cook

    1 month ago

    You can (arguably) never have too much depth…but 21M over 3 years?
    Might I say this is an overpay?

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    • Hosmer for HOF

      1 month ago

      Yeah they’re giving him starter money for some teams which I wasn’t sure they’d do but could see it happening and it’s possibly the end of acquisitions now. I think they’ll play the deadline for any relief help they need because it’s less expensive in prospect capital to trade for

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      • Brewer88

        1 month ago

        I think you’re right about them staying pat with present RPs even though they lack a classic closer. They have some proven guys (Poms and Pags), some guys with huge upside (Adams, Baez, Castillo) and some options for young SPs to migrate to RP (Weathers, Morejon). I wish they’d resign Rosenthal but Preller is adept at landing relievers at trade deadline at better bargains than off-season (ex. Rosenthal).

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    • DrDan75

      1 month ago

      The Padres have an owner who really, really wants to build a winner and the 29th largest market size in professional sports. AJ Preller has a baseball executive’s dream job.

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    • RJNarvick

      1 month ago

      Boras is involved. Need I say more.

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  6. petersdylan36

    1 month ago

    So the Padres and Blue Jays are the only teams making deals.
    I enjoyed him on the team last year. His personality is infectious.

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    • beersy

      1 month ago

      The White Sox have improved themselves as well.

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      • petersdylan36

        1 month ago

        True! I don’t know how I forgot about them.

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      • ayrbhoy

        1 month ago

        Beersy- ‘my Mariners’ must have gone under the radar despite acquiring 4 pitchers. Two former closers in (TX) Rafael Montero, (LAA) Kenyan Middleton, SP turned late inn RP who was hitting triple digits last yr in Kendall Graveman. Plus Chris Flexen- an intriguing (low cost) SP who pitched 116.2 IP in the KBO last yr to a tune of 3.01 ERA 1.089 Whip 0.5 HR9 10.2 SO9.

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    • alc47

      1 month ago

      You forgot about the Mets as well!

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      • ukpadre

        1 month ago

        Nah, you don’t need to mention the Mets because you can guarantee some obnoxious moron like MetsFan22 will turn up and start talking about them in every comment section anyway.

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    • filthyrich

      1 month ago

      KC made a couple more moves than I expected so far!
      And a couple more moves than the NL Central?

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  7. petersdylan36

    1 month ago

    The only thing I see left for the Padres to do is to resign Rosenthal

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    • DrDan75

      1 month ago

      They might just go with Pomeranz to close games. He has been one nasty pitcher since moving full time to the pen.

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      • Gwynning

        1 month ago

        The public word is that our Pen is set… but I believe a deal for Rosie is around the corner. The question is, how do we make room on the 40 man? 1 more trade? DFA candidate? Or are we truly looking at our ST team… exciting times for us Friars! Kept the faith for years and now I’m so happy. Let’s get after it and stay healthy!

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        • CNichols

          1 month ago

          I don’t know if they have anyone left that they could DFA that would go unclaimed. They would probably have to just give someone up, make a trade, or wait until Clev can go on the 60 day IL and free up a spot.

          Javy Guerra and Jorge Mateo have no options left so that’s kind of a weird situation, but there should theoretically be teams that would claim those guys and use them even if they couldn’t send them down.

          Taylor Williams or Trey Wingenter maybe? Pretty sure teams would also claim those guys too though. There’s not a lot left to trim from that 40 man.

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        • Mrtwotone

          1 month ago

          In my opinion Pagan should be given the chance to close the games at first. I’d like to see Pomeranz in the 7th or 8the inning. Sometimes giving him 1 1/3 or 2 innings some nights. Thoughts anybody?

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        • beersy

          1 month ago

          I would like to see Rosenthal brought back and get the feeling that Preller & Co. feel they found their next Hand/Yates in Austin Adams. They talked about Adams more at last years deadline than Altavilla and Williams combined and he was injured at the time of the trade.

          Pomeranz being used for more than an inning next year would be fine with me as long as he doesn’t regress.

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        • Gwynning

          1 month ago

          You guys just about nailed it. Adams is held in high esteem, Pagan should probably lead us in saves over Pom who will work more than 1 inning on occasion. Rosie would be my bow on the matter; no more messing around. Cut Stammen, eat the 1 year. Be good, buddies! I hope we can rock Petco soon, our boys deserve our support in person.

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  8. padresfan619

    1 month ago

    Our bench is going to be so deep now. I remember when the Padres only had one player on the roster making 7MM a year. Now our backups are making that. 2021 WS Padres!

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    • spanishpole

      1 month ago

      The depth throughout the entire roster is nothing like we’ve ever seen in SD. Not sure if this is an overpay or not, but it’s likely a good gamble on this side of a potential uptick in value. Since Preller’s always willing to trade maybe he catches lightning in a bottle with Profar.

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      • libertyfighter

        1 month ago

        You could stretch that out to the 40 man roster as well! It will be very hard to make the Padres 40 man roster going forward.

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      • SheaGoodbye

        1 month ago

        Certainly not a bad idea to bet on a player entering his prime who is a former #1 overall pick and who has, at times, shown a little something with the bat.

        Throw in the defensive versatility and even at 21MM/3, I like this for them. At the very least, I doubt he’ll be bad enough to be a total waste.

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    • lowereastsider

      1 month ago

      It’s going to be an interesting year for them!

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  9. Rightout

    1 month ago

    3 years at 21 what an overpay…

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    • solaris602

      1 month ago

      I’d be stunned if any other team was even offering him 2 years.

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    • dvmin98

      1 month ago

      Says who? You? LMAO…I’ll go with Preller’s decision. Profar was money last half of the season and the chemistry with Tatis, etc was amazing. He’s definitely worth the price. Great move.

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      • Mrtwotone

        1 month ago

        Doesn’t seem like it’s too much of an overpay to me. If Profar sucks you got a guy on the bench who can play multiple positions. 7 million a year isn’t really too much.

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      • LOLPadreFans

        1 month ago

        “ Profar was money last half of the season ”

        So you’re happy Preller gave Profar three years because of 5 weeks? Sometimes, less is more

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      • SDHotDawg

        2 weeks ago

        Preller is an idiot. Period.

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  10. Rangers29

    1 month ago

    I am so happy for Pro! He deserves every penny of that! Such a solid player, and he fits in so well in SD plus he’s happy there too. Good for him!

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  11. D0m

    1 month ago

    Preller needs to lay off the coke. How can they play everyone?

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    • Padres2019ha

      1 month ago

      By selling coke…don’t get high off your own supply

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      • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

        1 month ago

        You aren’t making trade proposals involving us getting Luis Castillo and the Reds getting Wil Myers yet?

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  12. beersy

    1 month ago

    Right on, this move solidifies the hitting, fielding and clubhouse. Now Rosenthal to close or a Colome/McGee type for the bullpen would put a nice bow on this team/off season.

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  13. bot

    1 month ago

    Dodgers fans getting real nervous out there ! I think management might just throw in the towel and not sign anyone this offseason

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    • JoeBrady

      1 month ago

      SD has done a lot, but the LAD are really good. OTOH, one of the LAD problems is that some of these guys are going to get expensive quickly.

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    • LOLPadreFans

      1 month ago

      Just say you hope the dodgers do nothing so you have a chance

      Profar at 7M, for three years!!, because he was good for 5 weeks is a stupid overpay. unless they have zero faith in Cronenwerth

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      • Hudson6

        1 month ago

        Oh look, LOLPadreFans is here. Yay.

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        • LOLPadreFans

          1 month ago

          Miss me? Did you miss rational thinking?

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        • Gwynning

          1 month ago

          Cut out the rational and you are Miss Thinking.

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        • LOLPadreFans

          1 month ago

          Yeah the guy saying “be cautious” about a 26 year old rookie with an average MiLB record, then one great MLB month and one month worthy of a DFA- I’m the irrational one

          You’re not gwynning with that take

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        • Gwynning

          1 month ago

          Touchè! I see Profar as just a very wise depth signing. I personally have all faith in Jake the Rake. Jake and Kim will rotate at 2B and Profar will see more OF time. Depth has never hurt a team, has it? Kiké just signed for the same AAV; I’d rather have Profar.

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  14. csspackler

    1 month ago

    This has to mean they already know the DH will be universal … right?

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    • Brewer88

      1 month ago

      I think they’re filling a key utility (OF and INF) role DH or not. Kim is the only real replacement for Manny at 3B, If there’s a DH then they are ready too.

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      • CNichols

        1 month ago

        Cronenworth has a cannon and I’m pretty sure he saw some limited 3B time in the minors.

        He could handle 3B too with either Kim or Profar lining up at 2B.

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  15. towinagain

    1 month ago

    3 yrs for 21 is going to be a bargain. Hes 27 going into his peak years gives this team crucial insurance off the bench. His enthusiasm was infectious. He plays surprisingly good defense in the OF, is a stolen base threat, has proven he can hit situationally. Loved what I saw from him last year. His depth will provide options that will keep the starters fresh. Awesome re-sign!

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    • northcountynoble

      1 month ago

      I 100% agree with everything you just said. If people actually watched the Padres season, they’d see how much of a presence he is in the dugout and the impact he made on this team.

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  16. The Ghost of Bobby Bonilla

    1 month ago

    I totally expect Preller to sign Realmuto, Bauer and trade for Mike Trout and Jose Ramirez before his offseason is officially complete.

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    • los_leebos

      1 month ago

      whoa whoa whoa now, i think trout is a pretty big ask there

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    • Vegas Padre

      1 month ago

      And still not give up Gore, Abrams, Campusano or Hassells!

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  17. VegasSDfan

    1 month ago

    Next up paging Trevor Rosenthal….

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  18. john9977

    1 month ago

    I hope so

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  19. MetsFan22

    1 month ago

    Padres fans should be happy. Their team is good but it sucks that they have the dodgers. They could have a great season and will most likely to lose to the Braves or Mets in the WC game.

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    • MetsFan22

      1 month ago

      Obviously same could happen to Braves and Mets.

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    • libertyfighter

      1 month ago

      We all know the 2021 Mets are the best in MLB history!

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      • VegasSDfan

        1 month ago

        Rofl.

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    • CNichols

      1 month ago

      The NL central is really slacking. I think any of Padres, Dodgers, Mets, or Braves would run away with the NL central, but two of those teams are likely ending up with WC spots being in the East/West.

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      • MetsFan22

        1 month ago

        Yeah, it sucks for the team that loses. I will say that facing Degrom and our lineup in a WC game isn’t fun.

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  20. northcountynoble

    1 month ago

    How do you out value on dugout presence and being the heart and soul of this team? You can bring someone in cheaper but If you watched any Padres baseball last year( more than a couple games) you’d see how hard he plays the game and the energy he brought to the team. Even when the Padres sat him for Cronie, he was the first person out of the dugout celebrating and pumping up the team and always ready to play..Worth 7 mil a year IMO.

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  21. JoeBrady

    1 month ago

    This seems okay. Maybe a bit high, based on the number of expected ABs (Cron & Kim & they have other outfielders), but he’s a pretty decent player, and the age bracket is excellent.

    And, once again, this is the issue of bringing up someone too young. From a value perspective, there is almost never a reason to bring someone up at the age of 19.

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    • whyhayzee

      1 month ago

      There are hall of famers who came up then. It takes a rare quality to succeed.

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    • MikeD26

      1 month ago

      Unless your name is juan soto.

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      • whyhayzee

        1 month ago

        Tony Conigliaro.

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  22. BobSacamano

    1 month ago

    As a DET fan..I’ll be interested to see whose off the 40 man. As usual. Yay..

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    • Simodine

      1 month ago

      They only had 39 on the roster, so nobody.

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      • CNichols

        1 month ago

        Part of the benefit of the Musgrove trade. SD probably would have had to DFA Bednar to make this signing but instead they got some value for him in that trade.

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        • Simodine

          1 month ago

          I wouldn’t be shocked if the padres make 1 more trade this offseason. Most believe they will add at least 1 more pen arm. Just about anyone they cut from the 40 man roster going forward has decent value.

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        • Gwynning

          1 month ago

          100% correct CNichols. Who is the DFA candidate now if we grab Rosie? I know we’d have to eat the money but I’ll say Gramps. (Stammen)

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        • CNichols

          1 month ago

          Personally I think Stammen is “ok” in a non-leverage situation. He shouldn’t be throwing anywhere in frames 7 through 9 in a game where they have the lead or are just down by a couple runs, but if he’s your 6th or 7th best reliever that’s not a bad situation so I wouldn’t get rid of him.

          If Pomeranz, Pagan, Johnson, Strahm, and Adams all slot in ahead of him for usage in important situations then I’m good with Stammen eating some low leverage innings because he’s solid enough to keep you in the game most of the time.

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        • Gwynning

          1 month ago

          Fair enough; his playoff start redeemed a lot in my eyes. My train of thought is Rosenthal > Stammen.

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  23. whyhayzee

    1 month ago

    All they need is Brock Holt and they’re over the top!

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  24. thinkgreen

    1 month ago

    Switch hitting bat off the bench who can play multiple positions… it’s a depth piece, and makes a lot of sense. Although our roster is seemingly stacked, we’re still super thin at OF. If Myers doesn’t play at a high level again (very likely) and Pham continues to suck, we have basically nothing in the OF.

    I like it.

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    • Brewer88

      1 month ago

      @thinkgreen, agree – his value could be greatest in OF where team is thin and with guys who are injury-prone or inconsistent.

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  25. mark hamm

    1 month ago

    Great signing, a little higher in $ than I would have thought, but not my $$. The speed is his greatest asset, plus the fact he can play 2nd base and the outfield. I just hope he hits 275+. We’re loaded, now we just need for the MLB players to get the vaccine in the next 30 days.

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    • Billy Baroo

      1 month ago

      Agree, higher $ than deserved, but gone are the days when $7M was what the Padres would spend on most of their rotation. With Kim and Cronenworth already on the roster I’d have prioritized the bullpen, but so be it. Maybe they still get themselves a couple of relievers.

      Some people are overselling Profar’s utility. He can play 2b, not particularly well, and corner OF. You can’t consider him a backup SS or 3b — you could stick him there and hope nobody hits a ball at him, but that’s it. In an absolute pinch he could play center. Still, there are way worse problems than having a league-average hitter who can run the bases and help spell your starters.

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      • sdfriarfan

        1 month ago

        So can Mateo although he is not as good as Profar at this time but he has a cannon and tremendous speed. Once he matures at the plate, he could be a terrific piece.

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        • Billy Baroo

          1 month ago

          Mateo might get squeezed out, even though he and O’Grady are the only backup CF on the roster. I know they talked about Cronenworth out there, but with zero experience, that’s risky.

          Pham’s comeback could be a huge. There’s no real reason to be confident that Profar would help if he’s forced to play a lot of LF due to a Pham injury or continued lack of production. .

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        • Gwynning

          1 month ago

          If Mateo makes the 26, O’Grady will not… and vice-versa. O’Grady can start in AAA, Mateo has no options. Will be fun to watch in ST.

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  26. iml12

    1 month ago

    One things for sure the Padres have all their chips pushed in the next 3 years

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    • CNichols

      1 month ago

      I wouldn’t really say “all their chips”. They’re definitely going for it over the next 3 years with the MLB roster they have, but they also had more Top 100 prospects than any other team on the BA list that came out recently. (Seven)

      To me that’s the best possible way to go for it. They have a multi-year window instead of a 1 year “all in” and they still kept a strong farm to hopefully replenish some of these guys when they walk in FA

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      • Simodine

        1 month ago

        The key is not many are walking the next 3 years. Pham next year, clevenger and myers (club option if they want) in two years. The rest of the main pieces are under contract for 3 or more years. Plus hosmers contract the last 3 years is at 13m per.

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        • CNichols

          1 month ago

          Yeah I agree, I’m just saying after 3 years is when that starts to come into play. Not that you necessarily want pitching locked up a long time into the future because it’s risky, but aside from Paddack/Morejon they’re going to lose their entire rotation after 3 years because Clev/Musgrove have 2 seasons left and Darvish/Snell/Lamet all have 3.

          I guess my point is Gore, Morejon, Weathers are all top 100 guys, so even once the five mentioned above are gone they theoretically have good in house replacements. They didn’t empty their farm to build what the have now, so it’s not really an “all in” to me.

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  27. Simodine

    1 month ago

    The padres are doing what the dodgers have done the last several years. Its what allows you to have a chance to win a 100 games in a full season.

    High quality starting pitching depth
    Bullpen depth (think they will add)
    Quality starting position players
    Versatile bench depth.

    Mixed in with stars like tatis and machado.

    Plus still have high quality minor league players.

    Whats next? My guess is adding an additional bullpen arm. Though I wouldn’t be surprised if the nl gets the dh they get another big bat.

    They are around the 160m or so in payroll. Could still do another big move or two depending on how high of a budget they can have.

    If memory serves correct they only have 2 players over 30, darvish and stammen.

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    • Brewer88

      1 month ago

      @Simodine: Nola, Pham, Pom, Hill, Wil, and Hoz are 31-32-ish

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    • Ryan Wheeler

      1 month ago

      In other words, a full roster

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  28. 420ambassador

    1 month ago

    dope. now bring back rosenthal, get through spring healthy and let’s boogie

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  29. DM the GM

    1 month ago

    Dang, was hoping the Royals would get him. They probably wouldn’t go three years. Now they go after…Brad Miler?

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  30. Yep it is

    1 month ago

    Massive overpay. They will be regretting this one

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    • VegasSDfan

      1 month ago

      21 million over three years? After 1 season we would owe 14 million. In MLB World thats not a lot of money.
      Even the Machado contract is not a lot of money. We are two years in with no regrets, and 8 years remaining. Seven years after 2021.
      It seems like the perfect time to be locked up under a long term deal.

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  31. Marty McRae

    1 month ago

    They better hope 2019 Profar never shows up.

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  32. Brewer88

    1 month ago

    One thing is clear, the days of Myers playing in INF have ended.

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    • libertyfighter

      1 month ago

      I wish they would still pop Myers in at 1b on occasion against tough left Handers. They probably won’t, but that would enable the Padres to stack a heavy righty lineup. Hosmer’s defense has been lacking at 1b the last few years.

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      • sdfriarfan

        1 month ago

        I read yesterday that Myers is being shopped to clear salary space. I asked the poster where he got the info. He said from an source inside the Padres. who knows?

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        • VegasSDfan

          1 month ago

          Nobody is looking to take on money, besides the Blue Jay’s and Mets.

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        • sdfriarfan

          1 month ago

          He speculated that Houston may be interested after the loss of Springer

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        • Gwynning

          1 month ago

          I can speculate too; we keep Myers as we have no suitable RFer to take over daily duties. That might be Grish in 2 years when we slap a kid in CF (Hassell or Abrams don’t have the necessary arm for RF) but we’re not constructed to give away Myers.

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      • SDHotDawg

        2 weeks ago

        Myers sucked at First Base. Really.

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  33. Marty McRae

    1 month ago

    It is super interesting to watch how the Angels, who have more money and the GOAT player, are so much worse run than SD, who has less money.

    Trout always deserved better, the Angels are a disgrace to the game and their owner should be in prison for supporting corrupt politicians.

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    • VegasSDfan

      1 month ago

      Angels act broke. The Padres are spending their TV revenue

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    • LOLPadreFans

      1 month ago

      And there it is. Political

      The angels are the farthest thing from cheap in baseball. They must have the highest combined payrolls in last 7 years of teams that didn’t play in any playoff game.

      Sd has one of the biggest tv deals in baseball. They should have been doing this for years.. they’ve been the cheap ones, pocketing profits for years for this run. LAA spends every year. But hey, don’t let facts bog you down

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      • Gwynning

        1 month ago

        Once the O’Malley extended family took over down here, we’ve shed the “cheap” label. New ownership does a franchise good; the Metros know this now. Hope Pittsburgh and Cleveland can say the same soon. Love good, competitive baseball and that’s how the West is looking now.

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        • padreforlife

          1 month ago

          Yea the Padre owners spend $ unwisely

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      • Yankee Clipper

        1 month ago

        Not just political, but the typical one-sided tyranny he wishes to see implemented…… anyone who disagrees or supports a different view is immediately labeled and imprisoned. That sounds very….. much….. like…. 1940s Germany.

        Congrats, Marty! The very views you espouse are the same ones you purport to rail against. Stop with your irrational, extremist political BS. You’re not going to brainwash anyone here to join your keyboard war.

        In fact, everyone on here has different political views, many of us different from one another. But we come here, to a sports website to get away from it. You have the incredibly irritating habit of bringing it to every single board. Stop pretending your doing good in the world and actually go out into the world and help someone needy, or a family in distress, or people suffering from current environmental/economic hardships. But let us talk baseball without you spewing your poisonous agenda-laden conspiracies. They have online forums for like-minded extremists.

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  34. Rgrddy

    1 month ago

    A definite gamble. Not that I think he’s a good or bad player just that the contract is terrible for SD. $7MM AAV is an over pay for a utility guy with his track record or a bench player. If he performs well he’s gone which is the outcome everyone wants. If he sucks then the overpay becomes worse.
    SD is really betting that they have a legitimate chance to get to the WS and that they are getting a player with significant upside. So much so that they gave him a 3 yr deal that is set up so that they hope he opts out.

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  35. Echopark

    1 month ago

    Who should be happiest about this deal? Kike Hernandez.

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    • Gwynning

      1 month ago

      2yr @ 14m, same AAV. Good call! I’d rather have Profar, personally.

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      • Longtimecoming

        1 month ago

        I just read about Kiki and came back to this post to see how others felt now after claiming Profar was an overpay. I was glad for the Profar return felt maybe a slight overpay but not much. Like you said, I would much rather have the Profar deal than the Kiki deal because while Kiki has a better overall history, he is on a downside at 29. Profar is on the uptick at 27 for same AAV and well that 3rd year doesn’t bother me because by then an average utility player probably costs 7 mil. In comparison to the market, ie Kiki, I likie the Profar signing even more now.

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        • Gwynning

          1 month ago

          Concur. Kiké would seem to be Boston’s 2nd choice as well, but I hope he does well for them. Age, trajectory, chemistry and switch-hitting make me prefer Profar but I will concede that Kiké has a much better glove. Cheers amigo!

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  36. Rsox

    1 month ago

    Kim, Cronenworth, Profar, and Nola give them a lot of defensive versatility, Tingler will have a lot of options filling out the lineup card

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    • Echopark

      1 month ago

      Following Dodger playbook

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  37. bbatardo

    1 month ago

    Does seem like they are following the Dodgers style… get a bunch of players who can play and move them around. Same with pitching, get a bunch of pitching depth and whichever pitcher can’t make the starting 5 they work the pen.

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    • Simodine

      1 month ago

      I agree, the dodgers are considered the best run franchise is mlb. The question that only time will answer is if they can maintain it over a long period.

      The west will be top heavy this year. I do expect the giants to rise at some point over the next couple of years. The dbacks and rockies should commit to a full rebuild.

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  38. fffbbb

    1 month ago

    A deal they will quickly regret

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    • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

      1 month ago

      Considering he has an opt out after each season they will 100% regret it after the first year.

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  39. Ryan Wheeler

    1 month ago

    NOW ANNOUNCE HARPER.

    Wrong year?

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  40. bush1

    1 month ago

    I don’t get this deal at all. I love that they’re going for it, but this is such a silly way to spend money. A $21 million deal for a bench guy?! I know he can play all over but still….

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  41. dvmin98

    1 month ago

    So what’s left?

    1. Resign Rosenthal
    2. Sign Greg Garcia to a minor league contract
    3. Sign Trevor Wiliams to a minor league contract

    Sit back and relax

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    • Gwynning

      1 month ago

      … and there’s a shot to left… 3 run homer by dvmin98! OH DOCTOR!!!

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  42. mike156

    1 month ago

    It’s essentially a $21M guarantee. Odd that they would hand this out, but…

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  43. mmmhmmm

    1 month ago

    Oakland could not get rid of him quick enough. It was shocking how terrible he played. Seemed like a great clubhouse guy though.

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  44. Jeff Zanghi

    1 month ago

    Where are they going to play all these guys!? I mean obviously having “too much talent” is a “problem” every team would love to have. But at this point then now have AT LEAST 7 guys competing for 5 spots and we’re already seemingly in a pinch when it came to finding ABs for the newly signed Kim… now they not only need to find a place for him but Profar too!! Its definitely a good problem to have but still never the less at some point having too many guys for not enough spots has the potential to cause some discontent amongst the guys who may feel as though they aren’t getting enough ABs

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    • sdfriarfan

      1 month ago

      Good question but Preller has a plan. He’s not going to sign without deliberating that questions and others which may arise. I have no problem with this sign. I had issues with the Kim signing but in Preller I trust.

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      • VegasSDfan

        1 month ago

        Kim Bats Right
        Crone Bats left

        Crone hits for high average, high obp.
        Kim hits for power, high average, high obp, and has speed.

        It’s an excellent combination and having both makes us a better team.

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        • LOLPadreFans

          1 month ago

          How can you proclaim that Cronenworth will hit for high average and high on base going forward when he had a 500 OPS in half of his major league time, and was outperforming all of his minor league performance? Homer much?

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        • Hudson6

          1 month ago

          Hater much?

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        • LOLPadreFans

          1 month ago

          Hater? Pointing out he sucked for half of a 2 month season, yet many fans here proclaim he’s a future all star… I’m hating?? You guys aren’t being over the top with your predictions and I’m being reasonable?

          To any reasonable baseball fan, a 500 OPS DOESNT scream “high average, high OBP”. Unless you’re a Padre homer

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        • Hudson6

          1 month ago

          I mean why do you feel the need to be here? I see more comments from you alone than every Padres fan put together on every Padres article. Why?

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        • Yankee Clipper

          1 month ago

          Hudson, you’re pretty negative yourself. Maybe find a different hobby.

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        • padreforlife

          1 month ago

          It’s valid I know Padre fan thinks 1 month makes Cron the next Hornsby the myopic Padre at their best

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        • SDHotDawg

          2 weeks ago

          Kim has never face pitching above the KBO. All you can really do is “hope” he hits for average, power and obp. Given the history of KBO players in MLB, I’m not counting on him for anything besides evidence that Preller is an idiot.

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  45. bobtillman

    1 month ago

    The Red Sox were only two years and 15 million short..

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  46. Asfan0780

    1 month ago

    Good to see he somewhat got over his throwing issues, it was painful to watch while playing with A’s. I’m really hoping buddy reed pushes for a spot, if only his bat could catch up with his athleticism and tools. Which mlb.com ranked him the best defensive CF in minor leagues.

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  47. RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

    1 month ago

    The opt-outs ruin this contract for me. His negativity will not be good in the Padres’ clubhouse.

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    • Hudson6

      1 month ago

      I haven’t heard anything about him being a negative influence.

      Profar and Kim means the Padres have coverage for an injury at any position outside of CF and C. They can both be quality hitters to cover in case anyone is slumping. There is really no downside to this.

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      • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

        1 month ago

        The downside is he has an opt-out after each of the first two years. Which means him not opting out = Padres could get his production for less in FA

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        • Gwynning

          1 month ago

          @RemoveYourself- Here we go with your clubhouse cancer BS again? Some people just like to hear their own conspiracies, I guess. Said it before and I’ll mean it again, honestly dude, give it a rest. The clubhouse loves Profar. You obviously have no clue what’s going on. I’ve said enough, you’ve had every chance to correct yourself in my book, I’ll never respond to your BS again. No reason for you to respond to this. I firmly believe you are just a Dodger trolls now. Dueces.

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          1 month ago

          Jesus. You didn’t seem to get all bent out of shape when people said the exact same thing about Hunter Renfroe and Luis Urias. But when someone says it about a player you like they’re suddenly a troll?

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    • GoDads

      1 month ago

      Negativity? He was like the ultimate glue and morale guy last year. Already knows Darvish well too. Freezing cold take here.

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      • Padres2019ha

        1 month ago

        Bahahaha no one likes you Ryan! Maybe change your name again

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          1 month ago

          @Padres2019ha get new material. And better takes.

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      • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

        1 month ago

        @GoDads I’ll ask you the same thing I asked Gwynning. Why didn’t I see you getting all bent outta shape when people said the exact same thing about Hunter Renfroe and Luis Urias when they were here?

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        • Gwynning

          1 month ago

          For all I know, “those people” were probably you… and maybe we did say something in their defense and you simply can’t remember. Still… why is this a deal that you have to carry out over years and years? You seem to be the only “Padre fan” consistently propagating BS around here and I, for one, am tired of explaining this to you. Stop making stuff up or stfu. Either way, consider this is our last discussion. Wish you all the best and farewell.

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          1 month ago

          No, I never said that Hunter Renfroe or Luis Urias were headcases/clubhouse cancers. In fact, I countered those who did. And when I did, those people would either go into hiding or say something about how they “Can’t reveal their sources.”

          I have to keep going because those people still haven’t been made to address their lies.

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        • Gwynning

          1 month ago

          So you carry on with yours? Makes no sense. Buh bye.

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          1 month ago

          I will. And I thought you already said that you’d “never respond to my BS again” and then you did twice. So now you lied about that.

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        • Gwynning

          1 month ago

          You dropped my name like we’re chums, ya freak, of course I’m going to retort in my defense. Seek professional help.

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          1 month ago

          Defense? I mentioned you in passing. I didn’t say anything negative (or positive) about you. Moreover, “I’ll never respond to your BS again.” means “I’m done replying forever.” Not “I’m done replying until you reply again.” I already knew you wouldn’t reply if I didn’t reply again.

          More on topic, why DIDN’T I see you doing the exact same thing when people called Hunter Renfroe and Luis Urias headcases/clubhouse cancers? Is it because you didn’t think they were good players? Because that has no bearing on the matter.

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  48. GoRav114

    1 month ago

    With close to 2k at bats now it seems like the Padres are betting on his immense talent coming together with experience. One of those deals that could be one of best ever or worst ever

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    • RobM

      1 month ago

      I don’t really see a $7M AAV turning into the worst ever. His talent, his age, and ability to play many positions means he’s going to deliver value, but perhaps not $7M worth if regresses. He can easily exceed what they’re paying him if he does what he did in 2020. The issue, as I noted elsewhere, is the opt outs. If he replicates 2020, he opts out and the Padres don’t get the upside at a what will then be viewed as a low price, but if he flops, they’ve accepted all the risk.

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      • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

        1 month ago

        Nailed it

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  49. hashtahjimboutonwasright

    1 month ago

    Now tell him to wear his ball cap like a real man.

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  50. jakec77

    1 month ago

    I have no feel for this offseason. At times it seems like that free agents are going to settle for less than they would have but for COVID, and then some guys sign for deals that I have a hard time believing would have been any better in a pandemic free world.

    This definitely fits the latter.

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  51. CrikesAlready

    1 month ago

    $7M for every “hot” week this guy has played over the last two years.

    How did AJ Preller get off so cheap?

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  52. MaterBeta94

    1 month ago

    Great signing! I can see Preller turning around and trading Cronenworth & Paddack to the Reds for Castillo & Senzel…imagine our rotation then…

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  53. LOLPadreFans

    1 month ago

    Took all of 6 hours for confirmation that Preller overpaid with both years and multiple opt outs, no?

    Eventually overpaying on every move is gonna catch up

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  54. respectedbubble

    1 month ago

    So happy he’s back!

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  55. Edelapena08

    1 month ago

    Well, hopefully he contributes- this is the first time he’s seemed ready to “break out” as that touted prospect he once was, so hopefully it continues. At the same time, I think it’s a good signing because we don’t know (among a lot of other things we dont know) if Cronenworth will repeat, or if Kim will be ready for MLB pitching- heck even if Pham is the same person as he once was in TB. This puts a little re-assurance that we’ll have decent subs should any of those aforementioned players massively underperform.

    Also hoping that we really have a better OF backup than Grady….anyone know anything about this guy?? Knowing Pham/Myers injury histories, we should probably try and upgrade our bench….I like Mateo but I don’t think he’s the answer.

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    • padreforlife

      1 month ago

      Cron repeat 1 month.

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  56. nutznboltz

    1 month ago

    The way I look at it is if he has such a good season with the Padres and chooses to opt out, because he believes he can make more money on the open market,then the Padres got their money’s worth.

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    • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

      1 month ago

      They’d get more of their money’s worth if he couldn’t opt out

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      • Longtimecoming

        1 month ago

        My Aunt Ann would be my uncle Andy if she had balls

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        • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

          1 month ago

          Whatever she is, that’s still a pretty weak rebuttal. Opts out suck for teams.

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    • padreforlife

      1 month ago

      Bingo

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  57. hd-electraglide

    1 month ago

    Had high hopes when he first came up with Rangers. Don’t think he ever got a decent chance. Had Andrus at short, and they were determined to play Odor at 2nd. Then came the shoulder injury……tough break for the kid.

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  58. CNichols

    1 month ago

    This deal seems unnecessarily complicated with all of these opt-outs. I feel like usually player options like that are reserved for like a mega-deal, so I’m a little thrown off by that being included here because he’s like a fringe starter. I love having him back on the Padres, but the deal just seems bizarre the way it’s structured.

    Basically this could turn into 1Y/$7M if he opts out after year 1, or 2Y/$13.5M if he opts out after year 2, or 3Y/$21M if the mutual option doesn’t get picked up after year 3. Then if the mutual does get picked up, it would equate to a 4Y/$31M deal.

    None of those four different outcomes seems overly terrible to me, but with all of those opt-outs the Padres can’t really get much surplus value here either because if, for examp[e Pham walks after 2021 and then Profar plays like All-Star caliber LF in 2022, then Profar is just going to opt-out and they won’t get the benefit of 2023 at $7.5M.

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    • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

      1 month ago

      The only year where the Padres can potentially get surplus value out of this deal is 2021. If he is providing surplus value at any point he will just opt out when the year is over and from there it will either be give him a raise or let him walk.

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      • CNichols

        1 month ago

        Valid point, but I don’t know if I 100% agree with it only being 2021 because it’s more that if he ever performs in a way that exceeds the value of his contract, then he’ll opt out for the following year.

        Just to use WAR to simply it, if he’s like a .5 WAR player off the bench in 2021, he might opt in, but then if he starts in 2022 and has like an amazing 4WAR season, they’re going to get surplus value from him in 2022, but then he’ll opt out for 2023.

        Upside is definitely limited as you noted

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  59. SFGiantsFan09

    1 month ago

    Another Padres player I don’t like, and neither is because I’m scared of them

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  60. padreforlife

    1 month ago

    Since when do players opt out only Padre fan would worry about that like Hosmer, or .200 postseason hitter Machado would ever opt out

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    • RemovePitcherWinsFromTheRecordBooks

      1 month ago

      Greinke did it. Cespedes did it. Strasburg did it.

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