Feb. 19: The Dodgers have formally announced the signing of Turner to a two-year deal that runs through the 2022 season. Lefty Caleb Ferguson, who had Tommy John surgery last September, has been placed on the 60-day IL to open a 40-man roster spot.
Feb. 13: Justin Turner alerted the baseball universe of his return to Los Angeles. Pending a physical, the Vayner Sports client will re-sign with the Dodgers for two years, $34MM with a $14MM team option for a third year. The deal includes an $8MM signing bonus and built-in escalators that could raise the overall value of the deal to $52MM over three years, conditional to MVP voting.
Turner returning to the Dodgers hardly counts as a surprise, though the scuttlebutt of late had pushed the narrative of a possible departure. Whether he actually came close to signing with the Brewers or another club is unclear. What we know is that Turner will return to the franchise where he made his name, became a superstar, fan favorite, and World Champion. The 36-year-old third baseman was an All-Star in 2017 and earned down-ballot MVP votes in each of 2016, 2017, and 2018. For his career, he owns a .292/.369/.469 line with 124 home runs and 29.5 bWAR.
His career famously started slow, however, as he languished through most of his twenties as a contact-first reserve infielder for the Orioles and Mets. As he arrived in Chavez Ravine, he brought with him just a .260/.323/.361 slash line over 926 career plate appearances. Perhaps most notably, he had shown almost no signs of power through his age-28 season with a meager .101 ISO.
The tale turned rapidly in LA as Turner produced a revelatory .340/.404/.493 line and 158 wRC+ in 2014, his first season with the Dodgers. The sudden uptick in potency at the plate was prompted by a swing change that he’d begun work on during his final season with the Mets, but it was only once he headed west that results populated his box scores. Turner has to this point produced 98.0 percent of his career bWAR since donning Dodger blue as a 29-year-old.
The relationship has benefited both sides, of course, as Turner has grown into a centerpiece of a dominant era of Dodger baseball. They have won the National League West every season that Turner’s been stationed at the hot corner and finally broke through to win the World Series last year – their third season as pennant winners together.
In returning, Turner is able not only to help defend their title, but to move together beyond an uncomfortable moment on the national stage that took place, unfortunately, at the crowning moment of the Turner/Dodgers partnership. Turner was pulled late in the clinching game of their World Series win because of a positive coronavirus test. Turner nonetheless returned and (often mask-less) took part in the post-game celebration.
The dilemma put upon Turner, the Dodgers, and the league was no doubt trying considering how unlikely it was that he had made it to that point. He is, after all, not only a gregarious and popular superstar on one of the league’s preeminent franchises, but he is a symbol of perseverance for the game, its young players and its fans. Nevertheless, it was an unfortunate disregard of protocols on the national stage.
Turner will now add another chapter to his Dodgers’ career. In returning to defend their title, Turner joins an arguably even-more-star-studded team than the one that defeated the Rays in six games last fall. With the addition of NL Cy Young winner Trevor Bauer to the rotation, as well as former AL Cy Young David Price, who opted out of 2020, the Dodgers boast one of the more decorated rotations in recent memory. All-time great Clayton Kershaw remains at the top with young phenom Walker Buehler. Julio Urias, who closed out the World Series, rounds out their likely starting five.
According to Cot’s Baseball Contracts, the Dodgers’ CBT payroll now stands around $254.7MM. That means they’ve passed the base tax threshold ($210MM), the first surcharge threshold ($230MM) and the second surcharge threshold ($250MM). MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes calculates the team’s projected tax amount at about $13.8MM, but that’s only if their payroll holds at this level. The second surcharge threshold is especially steep, as any dollar spent beyond $250MM is taxed at 62.5%. Furthermore, finishing the season above $250MM also carries the penalty of the team having its highest available draft pick next year moved back by ten places. It’s plausible the Dodgers will attempt to get back under that line, perhaps by trading Joe Kelly and his $8.33MM CBT hit.
Wherever the Dodgers’ 2021 payroll lands, it’s highly likely they’ll be a tax payor of some sort, landing past that first $210MM line for the first time since 2017. Dodgers president of Baseball Operations Andrew Friedman managed to get the team’s payroll south of $210MM in each of the 2018 and ’19 seasons after the club paid the luxury tax from 2013-17. The Dodgers’ actions this winter serve as a reminder that the $210MM threshold is not a salary cap, especially for a team that gets classified as a first-time CBT payor after “resetting” previously. The tax rates are higher for second and third-time payors, which is presumably why the Yankees, Astros, and Cubs seem to be trying to stay below $210MM. Why any other big market team would treat that number as a salary cap is harder to explain.
Turner tweeted news of his return himself tonight, though Jorge Castillo of the LA Times (via Twitter) chipped in with confirmation. Jeff Passan of ESPN (via Twitter) first had the deal in the $30MM range, while MLB Network’s Jon Heyman provided the specific two-years, $34MM number, and the Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal added the club option for 2023 and $8MM signing bonus, as well as later specifics. Mike DiGiovanna of the Los Angeles Times contributed to dollar value of the team option (via Twitter).
thebaseballfanatic
At long last
mlb9229
He’s Red-Turn-ed!!!!!!
BrittinghamSports
Since we are talking about one of the highest payroll teams paying for another star player I will share my view on how the salary cap and/or salary floor could help or hurt MLB as a whole:
What every sport needs is the most possible fans. Nothing increases fan viewership like parity. All the teams need to be able to compete year in and year out so every fan feels their team has a legitimate chance to win it all during most or all seasons. MLB finances have become so polarizing in recent years that most fans believe they have to choose a side.
The people who think players make too much side with the owners and just want a salary cap. The people who think the owners have to much side with the players and just want a salary floor. You have to have both at the exact same time for parity to help grow the sport. If you just have a cap it doesn’t stop owners from acting like the Pittsburgh Pirates and spending no money because they don’t care if their team loses. They only care about how much profit they make. Overall it would hurt the fans because it wouldn’t help their team build a champion. It would hurt the players as well because the teams that do want to win wouldn’t be able to afford to sign them so they would get a smaller piece of the pie as well.
If you just have a floor it forces the cheaper owners to spend more but it doesn’t stop the wealthier owners from outbidding them on the best contracts. The owners would have to spend more money but they would still have a losing product on the field so fans still wouldn’t come. It would also hurt the fans because ticket prices would have to go up and less fans would come to games. Less fans at the games definitely hurts any sport overall.
If you have both, the Pittsburgh Pirates of the world would be forced to try to win by spending money. The wealthier teams could not always outbid them because you can only do that so many times with a cap in place. Those two things combined would drastically increase parity. Increased parity drastically increases fan base. An increased fan base drastically increases revenue. The overall revenue would determine the salary floor and cap and would continue to go up as revenue goes up. The sport as a whole wins with parity and so do the fans. The players win because they end up making more money overall since the cheap owners actually have to start spending on them. If the cheap owners don’t want to spend more money to make more money they can sell the team to an owner who does want to do that and make billions of dollars in profit. The Kansas City Royals owner did and it’s not like the Royals are considered a big market super valuable team.
You don’t have to pick a side for who should make more money. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. Why not let everyone make more money and let the fans get a better overall product on the field as well? It all can happen through parity. Parity occurs with the simultaneous combination of a salary floor and a salary cap. Having just one of those hurts the sport in some way. Having both is the only way to really help.
rememberthecoop
War and Peace was shorter than this post.
Steve(shs22)
I agree , after all after signing Bauer there should od been no way dodgers going all all in . But they are
gdjohnson
Without complete and equal revenue sharing between the teams your idea does not work.
SoxRewl
It doesn’t work without profit sharing, and I doubt they can get the owners to all agree to that.
Still, the reason the nfl is so successful is in part because of that salary cap and profit sharing makes it so any team can compete any given season. It could generate a “high tide rises all boats” situation
hittingnull
Simple: Tell the billion dollar owners to start opening their wallets.
dave frost nhlpa
No kidding. Glad I read his blog.
gussie busch
Agree so much I almost read it twice.
Dock_Elvis
I think you’re wrong about parity drawing the most viewers. It’s why a Yankees World Series draws higher ratings. Even if small market teams do well , not as many care about them in a larger sense.
Mendoza Line 215
War and Peace was actually longer but it did take less time to read because it was more interesting.
vtadave
Too long bro.
jessethegreat 2
So… like the NBA? No thanks. Think about it logically… if you’re going to get the players to agree to a true salary cap, what do the owners offer them return? It’s a non starter. I’d rather teams still being able to compete after a bad signing like Elsbury.
If there were a true cap, you’d have one star on every team and little fanfare. I’m not a Dodgers fan myself, but I respect how they actually try to win money be damned. Teams like the Dodgers spending and bringing in more and more good players to an already loaded team is good business. They’re going to create more enthusiasm when they visit other markets because people will want to see them lose.
Think about the Yankees. Their fans love them, but wherever they go they’re the villain. People watch and pay to see the villain lose. They get people talking around the water cooler. They also allow for awesome underdog stories like when the Royals won.
Let’s please just try to keep the socialism out of baseball.
schellis 2
Baseball isn’t about just ratings no sport is. If it were then there would only be like 6 teams.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
The problem is with complete and equal revenue sharing, teams in the lower rung make less than do with the current rev sharing program. The idea that a cap will make for more parity or force teams to compete is a farce, much like the NBA has shown. The only thing the cap would do, would make large bloated shorter term contracts more appealing for those trying to hit the floor. Unless there is a significant change in competitive balance rules, tanking won’t be stopped. And I think we’ll generally see a swing of something to this extent soon, where the Dodgers dump a significant salary or too. There is this myth that caps bring parity yet they don’t. The major differences we need to discuss here is the difference in tv money between the leagues. Start there. A floor sure, I think that’s going to be a start, but a cap just puts more money into the owners pockets versus where it should be spent.
Deleted Userrr
That’s what she said
nik
@rememberthecoop Why are you making fun of him taking the time to express his opinion?
People like you are such losers. You have nothing to offer, outside of saying something negative and moving on. Just because you’re broken, don’t break everyone else.
nik
There is profit sharing and the teams don’t spend the money on the roster.
Also the NFL is successful because of gambling. Let’s call a spade a spade.
nik
Baseball is very poorly run from a branding perspective. Every move is made with the long term health of the game not being taken into consideration. I don’t see how it can be fixed under the current system, because there is too much disconnect between the owners, the talent and those they’re trying to appeal to.
retsubllab
Da
Deadguy
Gussie Bush, will you please buy the team back from the Dewitts? Its only tripled in value while they’ve owned it and Bill thinks “There’s no money in baseball.”
mack22 2
Yep, some folks are long winded. Sure glad to get JT back though
Bud Selig Fan
No salary cap.
Salary floor with equal revenue for all 30/32 teams is the answer. Not that difficult to understand this is the answer long term for baseball.
Local TV money disparity the last decade is the reason for the largest revenue gap between the large-market teams and small-market teams IN THE HISTORY OF BASEBALL. So that alone makes it the worst time in history for competitive balance. But that’s just one reason, there’s more:
Small-market teams like Cleveland, Tampa, Oakland and now MKE, have been able to outsmart the system, but the innovation gap is shrinking, and the ivy educated brainpower is moving towards the large-markets now too, and the merging of the money with the brainpower will create the superteam.
This won’t happen overnight. The new CBA will be the kickstarter. Less team control will destroy the SM’s ability to compete. Combine that with the superteams and you get the shrinking of 65% of the fan bases throughout baseball. This scenario is inevitable. It will happen without a major trajectory change. It could take 10 years, or 20 years, but it will happen.
All you large-market fans out there that disagree—shush!, you haven’t a clue, so just be quiet, your just making us mad. And you don’t want to make us mad. All that will do is speed up the inevitability of changing the structure of baseball so you lose your advantage and thus the superiority complex some of you feel at the present time.
letmeclearmythroat74
I’m not Dodger fan or Brewer fan … just a baseball fan watching.. this sure seems like an over pay for a 36 year old with “ good” not great production. I can think of several third baseman I’d rather have especially for that kind of money.
iverbure
What every sport needs is the most possible fans. Nothing increases fan viewership like parity. All the teams need to be able to compete year in and year out so every fan feels their team has a legitimate chance to win it all during most or all seasons. MLB finances have become so polarizing in recent years that most fans believe they have to choose a side.
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This isn’t true at all. Usually the most viewed finals in sports is when a dynasty team loses.
All teams need to complete year in and year out? How the hell do you make sure that happens. You people will say anything to get a salary cap. Mlb has the best parity among all the sports. More teams have won and more teams have played in the World Series in the last 20 years than any other sport.
Fans continue to ask for the wrong things. Things that won’t improve parity. The salary cap? Don’t need it. Already basically exists now. Salary floor nope don’t need that either. Doesn’t stop tanking.
I think what fans want is every team to finish 81-81 and every player to make 20 million dollars. Pretty sure they would complain about that though after they got what they wanted.
iverbure
Bud selig fan has no clue. Competitive balance. Since 2008 the rays have more wins than 25 other franchises. They’ve spent the least amount in that time.
Revenue sharing is why owners don’t need to try and put a winning team on the field you dope.
Ignorant people like you need to shush.
hunterts
Haaaaa. War and Peace.
Bud Selig Fan
iverbure—your missing the point. It’s not about the last 10 years, it’s about the next 10 years, and what the new CBA he’s going to do to the small market teams. Go re-read my posts again, and this time no speed reading
beerncheese
Kudos to low revenue brew crew for reportedly offering same money. This was the priority move they were all in on. Big disappointment but there are other options to get better. They will need to settle for a couple lesser deals now to keep themselves in the playoff picture. If they use the 17 mil they can add some nice pieces to round out the roster. We’ll see.
LAforreal
facts
JoeBrady
So that alone makes it the worst time in history for competitive balance.
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7 different winners in the last 7 years. Is there a sports league that is more competitive?
Bud Selig Fan
2 small-market WS winners in the last 29 years. And that were the good old days, when there was more competitive balance.
Joe Ferguson
Baseball’s problem is a demographic one. It is not a salary cap problem. Old white men are dying off. Unfortunately that is the core of MLB’s fanbase. As the fanbase shrinks so will MLB’s coffers.
Young people and minorities have little interest in baseball. As America becomes more “diverse” many of our past traditions and interests will die off.
Brew’88
those who say there are billionaire owners on some teams that just need to spend more money to keep up are purely naïve to the problem. It is a business and will be run as such, but it’s also a game of rules and without rules it’s not a fair game. Other sports have figured this out, We need parity on the purse, and that doesn’t necessarily equate to parity on the field but it gives teams a chance to compete against big market teams or teams with filthy rich owners. There needs to be a salary cap and a salary floor. Want to play the game? Ante up. Want to go all in? Here’s the house limit.
1984wasntamanual
“Simple: Tell the billion dollar owners to start opening their wallets.”
This is such a lazy take.
1984wasntamanual
You won’t get a floor without a cap. And the large market fans are the ones that allow baseball to exist, so maybe think twice before telling them to shush…or save us all your ramblings and take your own advice.
hockeyjohn
Very well said, Bud Selig fan. This is so true!
DODGER JR
Sorry brother I checked out after the first few sentences.
Shaun owens
This is all true I’m a yankee fan , but I live near Pittsburgh would love to watch them win and have a fun team to watch. But Im old so what do I know I still miss the Braves on Tbs all the time . So now I just buy the mlb extra innings and don’t watch the bucs .
Gibson64
Just like a dodger fan can only read a few words
WarrenSpahn
the only things you left out are basic human nature and the competitive instinct…
Cole Shepherd
Alice Cooper reference?
Shaun owens
Ok whatever
Yankee Clipper
I disagree with parity claims. And, I’m curious if part of his agreement is a bonus, like and extra $250k if he keeps his mask on while he has COVID?
letsplaytwo
You nailed it Jesse – thank you!!!
FredMcGriff for the HOF
For goodness sakes 254 million payroll for the Dodgers!! Spending that much they should win the World Series every year not just show up for it.
arne23
EAGLE 4
Amen Brother. Why is it that a fan/kid in LA or NY is more important than a fan in Pittsburgh, KC, Cincy, Cleveland, or Milwaukee? “But we don’t socialism in sports blah blah” Sports is supposed to be the get away for folks, where teams are all playing by the same rules. Not where some teams can spend 8-10X more than another, where a team has to trade their face of the franchise because they have no chance of resigning him. This is the reason baseball is no longer America’s sport. People talk about an asterisk for the players in the steroid era for an unfair advantage, should put an asterisk by all these WS winners in this ridiculous era.
TommyLasutton
TL;DNR
Lurking
You’re an idiot. This is the first time they’ve spent this way in 6 years? But this one payroll means they always spend? Hahaha what stupid logic Freddy
Lurking
Once again. Your complaint is owners putting profit over product on the field. Complaining that a few owners still try to compete is really aiming your whining in the wrong direction
Zerbs63
The Dodgers only won one is the last 32 years..
Cap & Crunch
Great post Bud !!! Big market fan and agree 100%
Hate your screen name/loved the post tho !
Good point on the edge dissipating for teams like Cle Oak etc etc …it will….then what ya know/ You Know?
Lurking
Comparing the previous 2 ownerships to this current group is a pretty ridiculous comparison. It’s like people saying the Mets are going to be incompetent now because the Wilpons were previously
The dodgers have had an owner who has cared about winning for 8 full seasons and have been successful in each of those 8. The other ~24 years between titles was Fox+McCourt screwing dodger fans over, not spoiling them
TommyLasutton
“most possible fans” LOL futbol/soccer has the most possible fans. It’s the most popular sport in the WORLD. And by a far margin in comparison to basketball/football/baseball. Do you think there’s parity in the game? Absolutely not. In every country, it’s the same 2-6 teams at the top. The other fans don’t cry half as much as you.
The tears from people now that the Dodgers finally won a WS is DELICIOUS.
If they didn’t hadn’t won, all you’d say would be “and still choke.”
If a person really believed it didn’t count, they wouldn’t be complaining about payroll so much.
At the end of the day, all of these owners have the ability to spend. San Diego is a “small” market and look what they’re doing. So is St. Louis.
Mendoza Line 215
The small market teams are Tampa,,Oakland,Cleveland,Minnesota,KansasCity,Milwaukee,Cincinnati,and Pittsburgh.If you think that those teams can compete on a level playing field with your Dodgers you are sadly mistaken.
Lurking
Those teams could compete with an owner like the Mets or dodgers
ONCE AGAIN. Your complaint is WHO OWNS THE TEAM and THEIR DECISION how much money to spend
you should be mad the millionaires who own each of those teams look at them as cash cows and refuse to spend more. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH REVENUE. You’re just a stupid pawn who buys up the old line “I’m a millionaire but I’m poor and can’t possibly afford to spend money on my personal investment. But I’ll gladly watch it appreciate 20% in value every 10 years. Fans like Mendoza line are dumb enough to think I’m being wronged! It’s perfect!”
You’re a pawn. That’s all you are. Fighting the fight for millionaires. Bravo
Greatness
Exactly. That fool tried to attack me too, but I shut his *** the **** back down. Every franchise is worth at least 900M. But yet, they can’t afford to put out a competitive team? Bull****. The Dodgers are very fortunate to have a ownership that gives a damn about winning and cares about their fans. They can take my money any time to put a good team on the field. And at least Friedman is a master at drafting stars-despite picking 28th or 29th every year. Time to go support our team even more-I’m going to buy a new Dodgers cap and keychain.
Mendoza Line 215
Mets and Dodgers have owners who are your heroes because they are willing to spend a lot of money on players.Why do you think as good businessmen they are willing to do this?They are both in the largest markets,that is why.
You two clowns take the cake as far as being the dumbest posters on this site in the four years that I have been on it.
Congratulations on that,but you both bore now me to excess,so I will do everyone a favor and bid you both farewell.
Lurking
“ Why do you think as good businessmen they are willing to do this?They are both in the largest markets,that is why.”
At best, this is half true. I believe the Mets still need to sign a new TV deal, so sure you can make that claim about them
The dodgers already have their tv deal. They could EASILY be the Pirates and tank for the next 20 years, collecting massive tv revenues and by your logic, be “good business men”
Or they recognize the value of a winner, especially a title winner. It’s a minimum of 100M in EXTRA revenue just for winning. Minimum.
You keep acting like LA is this team built thru FA because they got Bauer. But they had the most homegrown players in the entire postseason and one of the lowest median ages of any roster. Keep calling us idiots all you want. But You’re so dumb you don’t know that the dodgers are built in the method you claim the game needs to use. Do you know that the same exec who built the Braves in the 90s, Stan Kasten, is one of the highest ranked execs in LA? Probably not
Pretend to bid me farewell. But EVERYONE who’s responded to you has called you the idiot, not me.
Go complain to the Pirates owner they don’t spend enough. Not the dodgers for actually being one of the few teams who actually still have a competitive spirit
Mendoza Line 215
I never said that the Dodgers were built around free agents.You keep putting words into my mouth.
The reason that you need to keep on this thread is that you know you are a moron and you keep proving it.Thank you.
I would call you one sick pup but I will reserve that for your moron buddy who thinks that he is greatness.
bauertododgers
YYAYAYYAYAYAY LET SGOOOOOOOOOOOO
Chief Two Hands
I was going to be very surprised if he didn’t stay with the Dodgers, and I’m happy it’s finally happening.
Loling @ you
Boom!!!!
2020WorldChampions
That’s right !!
Misterants
Thank the lord!!!!!! Now I can stop checking MLBTR literally every 3 minutes allllll day
Loling @ you
Interesting read about dodgers salary outlook and how the bauer deal actually helps them going forward.
“Come 2023 the only dodgers on long term contracts will be mookie betts, allowing dodgers front office to reload that offseason.”
Wall Street journal:
t.co/edgNFWFiYp?amp=1
mcdusty49
But there will be other long term contracts added before 2023 comes along since they will most likely be re-signing some of their homegrown players to long term contracts
Thor-DarkKnight-CaptainAmerica-16
Shocking! He was not going to be anywhere else.
Not Xabial
As a Brewers fan this makes me sad. 🙁
Loling @ you
Realistically Brewers had no chance unless they offered years or dollars. You had to know that.
Rsox
As a Brewer fan it should make you happy. Turner is not the answer the Brewers are looking for. They should look to Franco or Jake Lamb or even Todd Frazier. They need some power
seamaholic 2
Jake Lamb? Who’s not even in baseball anymore because he sucks so bad? Todd Frazier? Who was good 10 years ago? Maikel Franco? Yikes. I dunno where you been man, but comparing those guys favorably to Justin Turner, even in the power category, is pretty cray-cray.
DTDATL
How do you get that Lamb isn’t in baseball anymore? He played last yr.
Rsox
Jake Lamb was on the A’s playoff roster this past season. Franco and Frazier are both better than The utility players the Brewers have lined up to play 3B for the second straight year. And will cost significantly less than Turner will cost. There is a reason the Dodgers waited out Turner’s market and it wasn’t because he’s so valuable
Guyh
I’m sensing some strong Midwest vibes here
dabrewcrew
Jake Lamb w/ the Athletics and Maikel Franco both had respectable comeback efforts in their own value
oldmansteve
Seamaholic might be a different kind of -aholic having fun on a Saturday night.
toddkirchenberg
Lamb batted .193 last year. You say that’s respectable?
Rsox
He did hit .267 after joining the A’s
DODGER JR
LOL Those 3 players couldn’t hold Turner Jock.
Whiskey and leather balls
I’d be happier with frazier if i was a brewers fan, not that either would push them over the cardinals sadly
Col. Taylor
Cheers !
rememberthecoop
But none of them are better than Turner. It’s fine if you’re saying this as a defense mechanism so you feel better; however, he would have been very valuable to Milwaukee it most clubs for that matter. His leadership is almost as valuable as his production.
Ducky Buckin Fent
@Jr-
Who is Turner Jock? & why would they want to hold him?
groundhog5150
@Rsox
You mean Julio Franco, right?
Rsox
We don’t know, he could still be playing somewhere…
KCJ
Rsox –
Are you serious dude? Did you just awaken from a 4-year nap? Lamb? Frazier? Franco? Sorry but that’s flat out ridiculous
Rsox
Still beats Tim Lopes, Daniel Robertson, and Luis Urias
Eatdust666
He’s saying that they wouldn’t hold Turner’s Jockstrap.
Hudson6
This puts the Dodgers over the final CBT threshold of $250 million. This will drop their first round pick 10 spaces next year. Not that it really matters.
bluejaysfan
You don’t think they’ll make a trade? As a Jays fan I’m more than willing to take Jansen and Rios off your hands.
Hudson6
I doubt the Jays would go anywhere near Jansen.
Rsox
The Dodgers would probably gladly give you Jansen. They have Treinen, Graterol, and Knebel who could all Close
its_happening
BlueJaysFan is right. Jays should be looking at Kenley, Price and even Rios. Given the salary relief it won’t take much.
fox471 Dave
Not Rios!
jajacobs2
At this point it does. Let’s see what they do by the end of the year. That amount will go lower. They value draft picks way too much.
cb19
no one in their right mind is taking on Jansen without 75% of the contract paid for by the Dodgers. As a Jays fan I’ll gladly take on Price and the 16 mil a year owed to him for the next 2 years though!
iverbure
Ummm it matters big time. I highly doubt the dodgers go over that number. The reason for the dodgers sustained success is the prospect system they created always having big time prospects sitting there waiting to be called up.
Mjshof
Brewers never had a chance at all. Turner wasn’t playing in Milwaukee for the last years of his career. Not even for more money that he won’t ever spend.
He’s was always going to get a decent offer from LAD and take it to have his best chance at another ring or two
nik
Turner isn’t worth anything close to this deal. The Brewers would have been insane to reward him for his work in LA..
On a separate note, PED masking agents have gotten really good these days. But I digress…. :)=)
seamaholic 2
Yeah would have been a nice add. Brewers might have won that division (don’t think highly of the Cards at all, even with Arenado).
outtahiura
Will have to sign someone like Gyorko again. I’d prefer another SP. Getting quite slim there too.
Orel Saxhiser
seamaholic, I agree re the Cardinals. A very incomplete roster. Not a fan of the Cubs signing Arrieta, but I think they are better than the Cards. I’m, surprised the Cardinals didn’t do something to fix their OF. They must be banking on Carlson being a big contributor from the start. Some age in key spots
themed
They did a lot to fix the offense. No more Fowler and they picked up a guy that makes the other players much better in Arenado. With Carlson improving this offense might be the best in the NL with much upside.
fox471 Dave
Best offense in the NL? You are such a kidder, themed. Ya might want to take a look around the league occasionally. I can think of 5 or 6 teams vastly superior to the Cards. Not using your penchant for hyperbole, just a fact.
differentbears
2021 Dodgers Lineup
Mookie Betts
Corey Seager
Justin Turner
Cody Bellinger
Max Muncy
Will Smith
AJ Pollock
Chris Taylor/Gavin Lux
Cardinals aren’t touching that offensively.
Gibson64
Not sure about the Cards having the best offense. defense yes ,bullpen top 3 but offense not so fast Dr Quest. We shall see adding a great third baseman helps the defense and gives Goldy some support think Carlson has the breakout year they expect and maybe O’Neil actually does something as well. The wild card is Thomas. Think he will surprise many
qbert1996
I dont think you realize how much of a boost Arenado is for their offense plus what he provides defensively. Only weakness St. Louis has is the backend of their rotation and the outfield.
cards81
Offensively the cardinals outfield has some question marks…defensively the cardinals have probably one of the best outfields
Orel Saxhiser
I am skeptical about Arenado’s health. We will see.
letmeclearmythroat74
What is all this talk of the Cardinals? Competing with the Dodgers? I’m not a fan of either team and I can tell you that’s a pipe dream. Cardinals will likely not even win their own division. There is little difference in Cardinals, Brewers, Reds and Cubs IMO. I think Arenado feels the pain of leaving Coors Field but still productive. I think by seasons end , Suarez will be the most productive 3B in NL Central. Let’s revisit this in August.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Not Xab:
You should not be sad because Brewers needed to offer four years and 75 million to get Turner. That is to much. Turner is brittle but very good when he is on the field. Turner is a good fit for the Dodgers, frankly not a great fit at his cost for many other teams.
letmeclearmythroat74
This will be prove to be a good non signing by Brewers. Way too much money for an above average 3rd Baseman and I’m not a fan of either team.
Deleted Userrr
Lol
christynicks
So the Dodgers payroll will be just south of $8 gazillion. The payroll disparity in MLB is ruining the game
Michaelchavez22
Owners have the money to spend on talent. Whether they do it or not us something different.
seamaholic 2
No this meme needs to end. Not all owners have the money available that the Dodgers do, by a favor of 2 or 3. The Dodgers are owned by a hedge fund.
schellis 2
Spreed those tv/radio dollars evenly to every team and we will see how teams spend. Tired of hearing how owners don’t spend when some teams get billions from their tv deals
The playing field isn’t anywhere close to level
Stop Giving Billionaires Money
For the last couple years.
We spent longer with a crook like McCourt using the Dodgers as a divorce court pawn.
Where were you guys while we suffered while Fox cut cost a shipped away Piazza in his prime.
Bandwagon complainers are the worst.
Orel Saxhiser
Nah, just a well-run organization. They had the most homegrown players than any playoff team last year. Each year, they draft near the end of every round yet end up producing the best players. They also draw 50,000 a game. Spend money to make money, and the Dodgers spend it properly. Also, the payroll will likely be lower by opening day.
Orel Saxhiser
They think following a winning team is a reflection on them personally.
jury_rigger
I hate this argument. How many of those players would they have been able to keep without that massive payroll?
fox471 Dave
Perfect comeback Cey Hey.
cb19
Let’s just ignore the fact that the Dodgers local TV deal pays the team more than 200 million more a year that a team like the Brewers. I’m not even a Brewers fan.
The Dodgers have spent so much their 1st round draft pick will drop 10 places..lol. The penalties for going over the tax level have to be greater. Teams should lose first round picks for spending at these levels.
oldmansteve
The Rays payroll was only $50 mil last year and they made the World Series. How is the game ruined?
philliesphan77
They are the exception, hardly the rule. This isn’t a strong point.
fox471 Dave
No the Rays manage their money and their team. All teams can do that as well.
Mendoza Line 215
Since 1991,none of the Pirates,Reds,Brewers,A’s,nor Twins have even won a pennant.The Rays have twice along with the Royals,and the Indians once.The Royals are the only winner in 29 years..
Anyone who does not think that the deck is not loaded for teams like the Dodgers is either a homer,nieve,or a moron.
schellis 2
They have to trade away there players before they hit even arbitration to do that this never really having a face of the franchise
Or they are crap for a half decade or more and have to hit with the draft and hope they all develop at the same time and avoid major injuries just to get a one or two year window where they can hope to make the playoffs.
Or hey sign that face of franchise guy to a major deal and be hamstrung by the contract
1 leaves it difficult to bring in casual fans
2. Crushes the spirit of your fan base
3. Three they get to see a great player and have a jersey that is valid for more than a few years but unless things break even righter see number 2.
Teams with massive tv radio deals or the ones that own these stations have such a advantage it isn’t funny.
Let’s take the Dodgers ownership and flip them around with Cincinnati
I assure you the Dodgers would be lucky to have even half the payroll they have now. While the reds would magically double.
These major markets could sign me to a 20 million a year deal to be the worst player ever for a decade and not bat a eye
Same done by even a mid market and they are done.
With these broadcast deals they are printing obscene amounts of money and likely could have payrolls double what they have now
What baseball needs for the next CBa is to have a third group represented the one that is by far the most important. The fans.
YourDreamGM
And some of the above won’t be winning a world series for a long time. Sure it is way way way…. Easier to win when you can spend 200 million like it’s nothing while half the teams can’t even spend 130 or even 100. But did being a small market team cause the reds to trade their elite prospects for old expensive washed up Dodgers? Or overpay the 29 other teams to get Moustakas Castellanos? Did it force the pirates to trade for Neiese and Archer? Brewers must not be too bad off. They gave Yelich 200 million just for the heck of it. They already had him locked up on a super crazy team friendly deal for his prime years. Royals kept their fan favorites around even though they weren’t cheap and had no chance of winning. I would rather had the prospects and higher draft picks. Did the bad market and terrible stadium keep the A’s from trading their SS and closer at peak value instead of just letting them walk and getting nothing in return? Billy is so smart. Moneyball baby.
Yeah not many of those teams will be winning championships any time soon. Not because of their market or revenue though.
Rays and Cheapskates have a good shot though. Not as good as Boston NY Chicago LA. But a decent shot.
YourDreamGM
Face of a franchise doesn’t matter. Sells a few more jerseys. Royals kept some fan favorites and as soon as they started losing a million fans a year left. Pirates had a stud in Cutch, even locked him up long term. Had popular local boy made good walker. The same amount of fans came out to see them as the previous decade. They start winning what do you know, a million more people a year suddenly show up. Pirates traded Cutch, walker, cole, marte, Taillon, Bell. They can even trade Hayes right now. Once they start winning in 2024 2025. A million extra fans will magically show up. They wouldn’t show up in 2021 even if they could to see rookie of the year contender Hayes. Won’t come in 2022. When they are winning 90 games they will come. Then when Hayes leaves it will be nutting must go, so cheap, how could he let Hayes go. He was the “face of the franchise”.
nik
Mendoza, how many titles have the Mets, White Sox, Angles & Rangers won combined since 1991?
If you throw the Dodgers in the mix, it does up by only 1 and that was during a fake two month season.
How a team is run is more important than how much they spend. Money helps, but it means nothing if the team is run poorly.
nik
@schellis I get your point, but in fairness, we don’t know what all these teams are making.
The Pirates might have to spend 80% of their profits to match the Dodgers’ payroll while the Dodgers spend 5% of theirs. The owner of the Pirates might be capable of spending 150 million on payroll, but simply doesn’t want to dip below a certain profit margin.
These teams should have greater transparency considering they benefit from an antitrust exemption.
Chief Two Hands
“nieve?” Interesting in a post calling people out for being “a homer,naive,or a moron.” Solid usage of punctuation, too. A lot of people get bent out of shape when someone corrects spelling, grammar, etc., but it is amusing to me when those mistakes come from someone criticizing others’ intelligence.
Mendoza Line 215
Schellis-Excellent post.
Mendoza Line 215
NIK-Money is everything.
It does not mean anything if the management is not good,or if the team has a run of bad luck.
Only one team can win a WS title every year.
Your statement does not address my point of the vastness of the money disparity though between the small and large market teams.
Mendoza Line 215
Chief one hand-Not sure what you mean by criticizing my punctuation.I take the blame for the word misspelling.
I stand by my statement,although I perhaps should have added the word “misguided”.
Not sure what category you fit,if any.
Please criticize the punctuation of this post so I can become more enlightened by your high degree of intelligence.It amuses me.
Chief Two Hands
Use the space bar after a comma or period. You know, basic proper use of punctuation. I wouldn’t have pointed it out if you weren’t throwing around terms like “nieve” and “moron.” Also, it doesn’t take a high degree of intelligence to know the basics.
Mendoza Line 215
I appreciate the suggestion.However,it does take a certain amount of smugness to address such a minor issue.I think that anyone reading the post knows what I meant.
This is an entertainment site,and not everyone has the time to make the posts perfectly correct like you evidently do.
Chief Two Hands
Like I said, I wouldn’t have pointed out your constant remedial mistakes if you had not made remarks questioning the intelligence of others. You brought it on yourself. Oddly, you don’t seem amused, as you claimed you would be earlier. You certainly have time to respond to me, so I assume you have time to press “space.” I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest it isn’t about “time,” but lack of education.. it is quite possible you should not be suggesting that others my be morons. Glass houses and all…
Mendoza Line 215
Chief No Hands-Oddly,I am amused by someone as smug as you as attested by your many other posts.
My guess is that you are a Dodgers fan high on yourself for your team’s recent ultimate success.
My original post holds true.Large market teams have it their way and foster smugness by thinking that they are the only teams that are important and/ or relevant.MLB supports this view because of the much greater amounts of money available in the very large markets.They can afford to be that way because they have the money.
My guess is that you are a homer,and a smug one at that.
People like you amuse me because they are quite often so into themselves that they cannot see the forest for the trees.
Chief Two Hands
“Amuse…”. “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.” It is “absolutely, totally, and in all other ways inconceivable.”
letsplaytwo
Hey Mendoza, putting the A’s and Twins on your list makes YOU sound like the moron.
Mendoza Line 215
Hey let’s play two-What year or years since 1991 did the A’s or the Twins win the AL pennant?
But thank you for proving that once in awhile a moron shows up.
You might want to try reading a little more closely next time before you make such a statement.
Mendoza Line 215
I appreciate your comment Chief but I just googled it and it does fit my thought of what it means.
letsplaytwo
Hey Mendoza, winning a pennant is NOT the criteria by which small market teams measure success.
The A’s, Twins, and Rays have had great success getting into the playoffs. Maybe you’re pretty new at this, but a Hall of Fame manager once pointed out way back in the 90’s that getting into the postseason is the goal. After that, it’s a crapshoot. Any team can win a short series.
Mendoza Line 215
Let’s play two-That may be your criterion,it was the Pirates’ criterion for many years,and it may a HOF manager’s criterion,but you commented on my statement which was specifically on WS titles.
Are you are commenting on someone else’s post?
I think that you are pretty new at this.
Reading!
Lurking
It’s hilarious when the hyperbole outweighs the facts and then you get Mendoza telling him GREAT JOB WONDERFUL LOGIC
For every arbitration trade there’s a Stanton or Arenado deal. Once again. Nothing is wrong with the game. It’s ALL ABOUT THE OWNERS PUTTING THEIR PROFITS OVER YOUR TEAM
And the fans like you being so dumb to not complain about their ownership sucking and making 100s of millions in a regular year, but the few owners who take running a team seriously.
Mendoza Line 215
The few owners with ten times more money like the Dodgers.
There is no end to your stupidity,lurking,You are no better than a troll at adding anything of value to this site.
Lurking
Bahahaha. So one comment below you’re above calling me an idiot, but here my stupidity knows no ends? Good to know you’re not above name calling either you hypocrite
Sounds like you realized I’m calling you the problem. Good job!
Look your plight is with World Series winnings having more revenue after the fact. Uhhh duh. So you clearly hated that Boston spent 40M more than LA in 18 just to win? Not even counting the defense that went horribly? That the Cubs had a top 2 payroll for 5 years and won 1 title. That the giants have been a top 5 payroll but done nothing since their last title? Nearly EVERY champion has a high payroll in recent memory
The dodgers, btw, won WITHOUT the top payroll in the game. And just like the Nats, the Cubs, the Giants and Red Sox before them, they have spent more money to defend their title. Your complaining is hilariously stupid, this is how every sport is run in the entire world. Do you think soccer clubs have equal revenue?
But yes. It’s only the dodgers ruining the game. All of sports actually!! I’ll happily continue calling you an idiot Mendoza. You’ve done nothing to earn a less insulting title
Bud Selig Fan
The revenue disparity in baseball is widening, can’t have teams with $700M vs teams with $225M, $588M vs $230M. Competitive balance is already bad, and only going to get worse with the new CBA likely to give players back what they lost and maybe then some, reducing team control, and further hurt to the small-markets.
When are the powers that be gonna finally wake up and realize this can’t continue on indefinitely. The trajectory is 5 superteams per league, and the rest fighting for extra wild cards with expanded playoffs thinking there’s always the David vs Goliath one in a 200 chance. 1 Small-market team with a Title since 2003. Congratulations to the KC Royals!. It’s only gotten harder for the SM since 2015, with local TV deals for the behemoth’s producing more yearly revenue than an entire teams revenue including revenue sharing. What’s really going on here?.
The structure has to change eventually. It would be nice to happen before fan bases of teams shrink too much thru lost hope. It won’t happen overnight, it’ll be a slow burn, but then boom, it’ll be too late. Baseball with a 10-12 team league—survival of the fittest!.
I have a better idea. The Small-markets get together and convince some of the mid-markets to join in a strike. Change the structure now, share all revenue, get with all the rest of American sports leagues, or you don’t get to play any more games vs us anymore. Go ahead and start your own 10 team baseball league. See how long that lasts.
YourDreamGM
Small market owners are happy as can be. Has any owner been vocal about wanting a cap and floor?
Personally I would have sold my team already. Guys paid a few hundred million and now have over a billion dollar chip to cash in. Bigger markets are shielding their revenue from the pool. I question the flow of younger fans moving forward. Things have been great but I see issues coming up.
Orel Saxhiser
No, they are making money hand over fist. Baseball has been very very good to small-market owners.
schellis 2
No which is why we need a voice.
Owners don’t care they get their money.
Players don’t care they get theirs
The game needs fixed or the fans of most teams will treat it like a after thought.
I was a reds fan for more than three decades. In that time yes I got a world championship which yes up till last year matched the Dodgers and cubs. But outside that the reds have had just a handful of playoff appearances
YourDreamGM
I dunno about hand over fist. The larger markets are definitely making a ton more. But they are getting enough that a. They aren’t complaining. B. I don’t see them cashing out selling their team and taking the billion dollar profit and running.
Mendoza Line 215
Bud-excellent post.
I have other ideas.The Uber rich teams not only get the best players but the most talented execs and often managers.Keep the salary constraints the same,but:
(1)Change the structure to make divisions not on league or on location but on size of market.Put the ten smallest into two divisions..Put the next ten into two divisions and let the team with the third highest win total play three games in the lower division winner park.Put the ten highest into two divisions,and let the four highest non winners play a wild card game.
This creates rest periods for the smallest and middle size franchises.
2)Give The small market market teams an extra round 9f draft choices every year.
3) give player compensation from the team signing a player based on the value of the contract.Players from ML,Aaa,and Aa.
This is obviously a lot of things but only then would you have a competitive ML.
Lurking
Another idiot who thinks people making 10s if not 100s of millions a year are upset!
Their investment is doubling, tripling in value because other teams have massive TV deals and they just profit and eventually sell
Man you guys are thumb suckers in this thread. Only you care this much! You’re not convincing any mediocre owner to give up their cash cow
Mendoza Line 215
lurking-I cannot tell who you were addressing with your “idiot” post.
Perhaps all in the thread.
Please advise.
Lurking
Mendoza- anyone who has stated baseball needs to get back to the more equal year of the 90s, when one division ruled MLB. Yet since that time. MLB hasn’t had a back to back winner for titles…but that was considered a golden age of competitiveness?
Also the people stating the dodgers are ruining baseball while being one of 4 teams to actually try to improve, yet giving a pass to the 26 teams who are crying poor to fans. Those fans mad at the dodgers not their owner? Yeah them, they are the idiots
You can figure out where you fit amongst that buddy
Mendoza Line 215
Lurking- Thank you for your reply.I had not seen another one of your posts when I asked the above question.
Lurking- to lie in wait in a place of concealment,especially for evil purposes.
One thing to get straight right away lurking.I am not your buddy..
In another post on this subject several days ago,I said that anyone who disputes that MLB is not heavily slanted toward large market teams and away form small market teams is either a homer,naive,or a moron..
You have a propensity to call posters idiots.I do not consider you an idiot.You know what you are doing.
I could care less about your Dodgers and do not trash them here like Giants and Padres fans do.
I had another discourse on this subject with another Dodger fan.He was smug,but just another homer.Do you hate the 1990’s because it was one of three consecutive decades that your large market team did not win a WS?
There are probably few naive posters here.
However,you have rather ably represented the third class of posters regarding this subject.
You are a moron.
Thank you,buddy.
Greatness
You done acting stupid? It’s obvious you’re a hater, and you’re jealous that smart teams like the Dodgers have a huge fan base and play in a big city with a huge media deal-while having a top farm system. And you want to punish us for being good? Go cry in a corner with the other losers, because there is nothing you can do about it. I was born a Dodger fan, and will die a Dodger fan. Go back to your crapshoot franchise.
Bud Selig Fan
Shush.
Your so typical of the oblivious large-market “fan” unable to understand other small-market teams fans plight. I understand why you can’t argue vs the unarguable points I made.
Mendoza Line 215
Greatness- Anyone with a name like that is obviously enamored with himself.Good for you,you are your number one fan because you are your only fan.
I may be stupid but only because I respond to the dregs of society like yourself in hopes that you will somehow pull yourself out of your endless stupor.
I actually think that the Dodgers are a fairly classy organization and deserve their chamipionship in 2020.You overreact because it has been so long for a WS win and you are used to dealing with fans who are nearby competitors who trash your team any chance that they get.
You are another moron who needs to denigrate anyone who you react to as trashing your team.Come out of your little hole and face the facts.
Greatness
Woah ho ho! Look at you, you wanna be bad-boy! Are you mad? Are you mad your team and franchise as a whole is in the bottom tier of baseball? Oh, and I have more fans than you. Just thought I’d point that out. You think the Dodgers are a classy organization and deserve the 2020 title? We don’t think they deserve it, we KNOW they deserve it. That’s 32 years coming, and the franchise is just getting started. We’ll have well more than that once this decade is over. That’s the difference between us-I know, while you think you know. Therefore-nothing you think about is factual and 100% accurate. All throughout this thread you’ve given your opinion? Is that to hide the fact you know nothing? Is that to hide the fact you have no friends and everyone has attacked you on this thread? Oh, and you just admitted you are stupid. Glad to know you’re finally coming out of the closet. Plus, last time I checked, Greatness sounds better than “Mendoza Line 215”. Does that name represent who you are in life? A .200 hitter who strikes out at girls, work, friends, and life? Oh, why don’t you come out of your rock and face me like a man? Bring it on, little boy. And when you’re done after I expose the **** out of you, don’t forget to sit in the timeout corner with your apple juice and crackers, you whiny dodger hater. Enjoy watching them win the WS, because you’ll be seeing that happening for years to come.
Greatness
*Sniff Sniff* What’s that smell? Why, I believe it smells like poor! Someone give this poor, little market fan a bath and a loaf of bread! Wow. It is so obvious you are jealous of the Dodgers and their success. Are you mad? What makes you mad about them? Could it be that they win the division every year and makes the postseason-while your team doesn’t? Or is it that they’ve made 3 of the last 4 WS, with the last culminating in a win? Is it the fact they’re the best team in baseball? Maybe it’s the fact that their organization is well run, with the best GM in MLB, with a top 10 farm system, and can afford to keep their homegrown stars? Or, maybe, just maybe, you know it’s because the Dodgers will keep winning while your small market franchise doesn’t do anything? Take a look in the mirror and realize that you only have yourself to blame for supporting owners that don’t give two ***** about winning. You never get anywhere by blaming others for your own problem’s. And that’s what this is. A poor man’s problem. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to go watch the best team in baseball with a ownership that’s actually dedicated to winning go out and win many more rings this decade. You only have yourself to blame for supporting that franchise. I didn’t have a choice of not being a Dodger fan-my parents are fans-so by extension, I am. But I’m glad I can support a franchise that loves to win, cares about their fans, their players, and doesn’t have to worry about money.
Lurking
The real stupid part about complaining that LA a spends is that the Padres are the first team ever to sign 2 300M deals while the giants have had a top 3 payroll for most of the last decade
But la is the one ruining the game
Mendoza Line 215
Lurking- Show me where I have complained about how much the Dodgers spend.
I could care less,it is up to them.They certainly have the money.
I have complained about the disparity between the large market teams and the small market teams.
You and your moron brother inappropriately named “greatness” get on a stupid rant and you just don’t know how to get off it.
You both initiate name calling specific posters and you have found out that some do not take it sitting down and you both seem surprised that you are called on it.
You both fit the title of moron because you both do not read and think but just react to a manufactured slight.
That is on both of you and no amount of blaming it on others will change what you are.
Tyson’s Pet Tiger
Not really the way it should be looked at. They’re spending. That’s what they’re supposed to do. Regardless of large/small market, LA isn’t the team that blows out spending on a year to year basis. They’re doing what all teams should do. I don’t feel sorry for ‘small market multi millionaires.’
seamaholic 2
Teams are separate businesses for owners. They don’t invest from their personal cash flow in this business any more than any other. The team has a cash flow and that’s what they have.
Orel Saxhiser
If they put a better product on the field, they would improve their cash value. But why bother when you’re already raking in money.
paddyo furnichuh
@Tyson’sPetTiger…I don’t disagree with the gist of your comment. But, owners are billionaires, not multi-millionaires. Unless you’re referring to someone who owns a very small percentage of the team, then they may be “just” multi-millionaires.
pfunknut
Just like the yankees of old it rarely turns into a WS win
Orel Saxhiser
Every Dodger game for the last eight years has been meaningful. It’s not just about winning the World Series.
philliesphan77
I’m pretty sure it is, actually. Lol
Orel Saxhiser
Success isn’t defined only by championships.
RobM
Since the dawn of free agency, and the Yankees embraced free agents as part of team building, they’ve been to 11 World Series and won 7 World Series titles and haven’t had a losing since since 1992. So…lol.
nik
The Mets are a few miles away and have been a dumpster fire. It’s about management and brand development.
Lurking
And yet Rob, the Yankees and Rays have won 90 games the exact same number of times in the last 10 years
Yeah for numbers that matter not stats 30 years old to make your point!
YourDreamGM
The disparity has been around for 20 some years so you should be used to it by now. Yet baseball revenue and franchise values have skyrocketed. The disparity hasn’t hurt the game that much. No reason a small market can’t put out a 100 to 130 payroll when needed. Also no reason you can’t be good with a 50 to 100 payroll. The teams with the 200 payroll usually had 30 to 60 in negative value. Something will probably need to be done in the future. They could mess things up with the cba. More likely the big markets show signs of getting smarter. But up til now it hasn’t been a major factor. Indians rays do just fine. Angels can afford whatever scouting, facilities, or players they want and look at them. If you have a good owner and front office you have success.
Orel Saxhiser
People have been complaining about the disparity in baseball since at least 1908. It’s a senseless argument. A strength of the Dodgers is Friedman applying his small-market principles to his large-market payroll. All that money spent on scouting and player development. Every team can do that with Friedman’s former team being an illustration. Btw, in the “good old days” the Yankees won all the time. People claimed it would ruin the game but it didn’t. All owners are otherwise making huge profits. It’s not the Dodgers’ fault those owners don’t care about winning.
Hammerin' Hank
Exactly. Baseball is much more competitive today than it was say, from 1920 to 1964, when the Yankees were dominating the AL and pretty much all of baseball. They were the reason so many of the old franchises went decades without winning a single championship.
Orel Saxhiser
Yes, despite there being just 16 teams. There were a handful of teams that were almost always uncompetitive.
Bud Selig Fan
Cey Hey large-market team fans have no say. You haven’t a clue. It’s not your fault. No perspective to comment. Sorry.
So easy to pretend having 580 million yearly revenue doesn’t matter that much, it’s more the leader (Friedman) than the money. It’s both. But yet your team has spent trillions over the last couple decades on international logistics, Latin American academy’s, scouting and everything the trillions can buy over there. It’s all the non-payroll money invested in development, coaching, more coaching, nutritional systems, scouting, more scouts, army’s of analytical personnel, on and on. Friedman had a leg up compared to what he took over in Tampa. To his credit he’s just expanded it ten fold.
YourDreamGM
Payroll wasn’t a huge issue until the 90s. Yankees were good because of Ruth and location. You want to play with the best player and win all the time? Want to live in New York? Get the big endorsements? The disparity was not having a draft. Yankee fans love those 27 rings but most came before the draft and they never seen those teams. Id rather run a mid market team. Have the extra million fan attendance but also get the compensation and competitive picks. If they get rid of the extra draft picks or limit years of control something will need to be done. I real cap. If not the indians and rays will simply hold players down in triple a until they are able to hit .400
Bud Selig Fan
I’ll give up the draft pick for an extra 400 million in revenue. Then I’ll have me a 190-250 million payroll every year and still have hundreds of millions to spend on the draft and development side and Latin America.with a decent brain I should be able to win forever.
baseballfanforever
@Bud Selig Fan… exactly. Big market fans always act like “you can do it too!” When we know they have to be spending way way more than most teams on their scouting and development department. That’s why they come up with these great young players every year despite picking last. It’s not just by mistake or blind luck or “we are just good at picking out talent because we are”. It’s MONEY.
TommyLasutton
how mad were you when the Yankees were on a monopoly tirade? dodgers win ONE and suddenly, the payroll situation is a travesty.
Lurking
“They were bankrupt and couldn’t make June payroll less than a decade ago
Cry me a river
MetsFan22
They see the Mets at their level now and they can’t let go of a player like tuner. Should be a good battle.
Deleted Userrr
Mets are gonna duke it out with the Pirates for the #1 overall draft pick in 2022.
And Lindor is leaving after 2021.
RunDMC
I kinda would like to see Vandy SP Jack Leiter on Al’s old team, but ain’t happening.
Deleted Userrr
Jack Leiter is eligible for this year’s draft and will probably go before #10.
burn0820
Except every expert has the Mets winning the division or making the Wild Card. Plus they’re bout to sign him to an extension the next couple weeks. So shut up about things you know nothing about, troll!
Deleted Userrr
The Mets are not about to sign anyone to an extension! No one wants to play for that laughingstock of a team.
Orel Saxhiser
Link to your Lindor signing info?
MetsFan22
You really think Lindor won’t be a Met starting 2022? Lol
Deleted Userrr
You really think he will? LOL! ROFLOL! ROTFLMFAO!
Orel Saxhiser
Just like Betts was going to be a Met in 2021. Lindor is headed to free agency. He will get some impressive offers.
Deleted Userrr
@Cey Hey and Stroman and Syndergaard were going to sign extensions LOL
MetsFan22
Lindor won’t be on another team. Who tf said Betts would be a Met.
Deleted Userrr
Yes Lindor will be on another team. And a lot of people said Betts would be a Met.
I freely admit that I predicted Betts going back to Boston after 2020.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Jimthegoat: You are just silly, the Mets are a solid ninety win team that should miss the wild card by a game or two.
Chief Two Hands
You kid yourself daily.
Luc 2
The Mets aren’t aren’t remotely close to dodgers. They will be battling for 2nd WC with Nats probably,
MetsFan22
The Nats aren’t competing with the Mets for anything dude. There is different tiers to this.
Deleted Userrr
Yeah and the Mets are in the bottom of those tiers
MarlinsFanBase
Let me see…a last place team and the World Series Champions. The World Series Champions are worried about a last place team that hasn’t won a championship in 34 years?
Am I missing something?
philliesphan77
You’re not missing anything, they’re delusional
Buehler........Buehler
It will be 35 this year
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I would suggest that the Dodgers, Padres, Braves and Cardinals are the four best teams on paper for 2021. So yes the Nats, Mets are among the many teams to battle for 2nd wild card spot. But it is baseball, a couple of injuries could change everything.
(For disclosure, I am a Dodgers and Cubs fan.)
nik
Cardinals? Good luck with that. Winning in a crap division doesn’t make a team great. Are they even better than the Phillies?
Also, “Dodgers and Cubs fan” = So you don’t have a favorite team and don’t follow baseball closely.?
violentdreams11
what !!!!!! ? the Mets have made one good move bringing in Lindor apart from that yus have done absolutely minimal deals the dodgers are still miles ahead
Mjshof
Vdreams – yes good deal for Lindor, but he’s a one year rental. He’ll test FA bc he’s the youngest of the FA. Odds are actually pretty good he resigns with NYM bc Cohen has deep pockets and there aren’t a lot of takers for $300MM contracts
VonPurpleHayes
The Dodgers do not care about the Mets and vice versa. Rarely do teams care about other teams moves, and in the times they do, it’s not a team out-of-division they’re worried about.
amk1920
Mets fans are in for a huge shock when Lindor and a bunch of mid level acquisitions don’t make them that much better.
nik
Why is everyone so gaslit by the Mets being good? The team has been run like crap for 30 years and all these trolls still feel inferior.
I think any troll who really believes this garbage should go on baseball reference and look at the Mets roster so at least they can troll effectively.
The team has the best pitcher in baseball, a decent rotation & pen and their lineup has Alonso, McNeil, Conforto & Lindor in it, plus Smith, Nimmo & Davis are all excellent bats.
The team didn’t play well for two months last year because Stroman opted out, Thor got hurt and Matz decided to take the year off. They added Stroman back, acquired Carrasco & Thor is back in June.
Saying they are a non entity is just being an idiot. Any good team on paper can lose. The Dodgers and Braves haven’t exactly been rolling in titles. The Padres have done absolutely nothing yet. Right now, every team is paper and dismissing the Mets shows you don’t know jack about baseball.
amk1920
The Mets had a massive chunk of their roster on the team last year. McCann has had 1.5 good seasons but sure make him out to be Johnny Bench. Cookie and Stro are mid rotation starters. After Degrom that rotation is insanely average. Their defense at 3B and CF is going to be a dumpster fire. Can the Mets actually go out and not underachieve before we give them the pennant? Lindor has not been an elite hitter the past 2 seasons either
violentdreams11
mistake bringing him back if it’s for more than 1 year
Chief Two Hands
Even with declining physical ability, Turner has tremendous value for the Dodgers for his presence in the clubhouse alone. Re-signing him is not a mistake for any number of years under four. The Dodgers can absolutely afford it.
Loling @ you
Disagree 3 years would be too much. 1/2 years is the Mendoza line for dodgers
violentdreams11
really disagree with you there they had plenty of other options teams get far too attached to a player you don’t sign a guy because he’s a great guy in the clubhouse that’s just stupid !!
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
I would argue they don’t have really have many true options. I like the Nuese move, because it provides them a true back up 3B, which is something they haven’t truly had. Howie wasn’t a 3B, kikè was ok, Taylor much the same vein as Howie, Muncy is a butcher beyond some of the metrics that really never evened out due to lack of innings, and Rios was adequate much closer to getting exposed on more than a sample basis. Let’s also not even discuss Lux and his massive throwing issues. Flat out Turner was a necessity.
He’s a professional hitter that’s the glue in the lineup who makes the routine play even with him losing a step. That’s even before mentioning his 131 ops+ & 135 ops+ the last two years. This is significantly way more than getting attached. He still rakes, much more the complete hitter than any on the list mentioned.
towinagain
I like Turner but as a Padres fan having witnessed what happened to one Ian Kinsler after age 35 going into age 36 this is quite the risk. They may still trade for Kris Bryant being they are the Dodgers but this now makes that less likely. Sure they have Rios but time will tell if this was a good signing or not.
Loling @ you
Dodgers don’t need bryant who’s price tag is much larger than his actual Present day value. Dodgers have lux and neuse who can soak up time if turner faulters. While his defense leaves some to be desired his bat shows no signs of slowing down.
Chief Two Hands
I don’t think the Dodgers have ever had any real interest in Bryant. The Cubs should probably just hold on to him and give him a QO after this upcoming season, unless some other team blows them away with an offer. It’s kind of late in the game for that to happen prior to the start of the season, though. Maybe some contender will be interested at the trade deadline.
Orel Saxhiser
Turner is the bridge to Hoese and a productive one at that.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Cey Hey: Turner is brittle but exceptional. Two years was a fair length for the extension. Hoese is not a sure thing, but then again, maybe the next Ron Cey?
Stop Giving Billionaires Money
Turner is more like Beltre than Kinsler.
vtadave
Not really. Beltre is a first ballot HOFer.
DarkSide830
shocker!
amk1920
Good lord the Dodgers roster is by far the best in baseball and it’s not close. Their floor is 100 wins.
VonPurpleHayes
@amk1920 I think that’s been true for the last 3 years.
fred-3
They didn’t have the best roster in 2019 – Houston did.2020 and 2021 they do, though.
Orel Saxhiser
They have played .631 ball since 2017. That translates to 102-60 per full season. Yet the front office is still making moves to improve the team. This Friedman/Roberts era is the best in franchise history and they’re really just getting started as it’s not an old roster. On paper, the 2021 roster is their best yet.
VonPurpleHayes
Any time a team has a 5-year span of being competitive,it’s something really special. The Dodgers look like they will continue beyond that 5 years, and they already got a WS out of it. Dodger fans need to take a step back and realize how great this era really is.
Rsox
The Braves rattled off 14 straight division titles, appeared in five World Series and only won one. Winning the regular season means nothing in October
Chief Two Hands
Well…it means the team is in the playoffs with a chance to compete for a championship…that’s something.
VonPurpleHayes
And that Braves run is legendary. Growing up in the 90s, the Braves were THE team.
bravesfan
Dern… A part of me was kinda hoping the Braves would get him. Low key…
getrealgone2
No thanks.
bravesfan
After seeing what it cost, I guess I’m glad we didn’t. 2 years is reasonable at his age, but 17 mil a year plus that option. Idk bit steep if ya ask me. I’ll take our project Riley and hope for the best. He had shown he can be significantly better than Turner. But also, significantly worse than me at home never playing pro ball lol
fox471 Dave
With Turner we don’t have to “hope for the best.”
differentbears
When has Austin Riley shown he could be significantly better than someone with an .888 OPS (139 OPS+) over seven seasons? For a couple weeks, before the league adjusted?
There’s still time for Austin Riley to be a good player, but right now he’s below replacement level, and the sample size you’re basing his potential on makes me think you’d have put Kevin Maas in the Hall after year one.
bravesfan
Lol. Relax. He was elite when he first came up and he had a period last year where he was elite also. BUT clearly he has shown more bad than good. My point was more, he can be really good (elite lvl) especially if he puts it all together for longer than 2 months. Lol. But I clearly acknowledged just how bad he can be also. Your statement is what we like to call, an arrogant unnecessary overreaction
differentbears
We don’t need a 3B that has an OPS+ of 139, we got a guy who had a couple good months. This is proof he could be better than that, of course.
Tell me again how I’m the one with “an arrogant unnecessary overreaction” though.
I’m not the one who needs to relax, either. My team is getting a ring ceremony, and now has 3B settled. Perhaps you can find a futures bet on Riley becoming elite. I would think you could get 3-1 odds on that.
Rangers29
I forget who said it, but it was one of the MLBTR writers talking about how they title their articles based on the reports they get. This is a weird title lol.
bigguccisosa300
Make your own title then blogger boy
philliesphan77
what a stupid response to an innocent comment
Deleted Userrr
My favorite was “Padres and Red Sox make a trade.”
tigers2022
He’s accomplished more than me but I still can’t help but feel bad his ring celebration was a covid scare! Congratulations!! Now you’re a dick for celebrating.
DarkSide830
the whole season was one giant covid scare
tigers2022
Not a positive test result returning to play scare
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Tigers:
As a Dodgers and Cubs fan, Turner used to be one of my favorite players. (Fernando Valenzuela is my favorite.) Now Turner is not up there, though I am sure he does not worry that a few of his fans no longer are as enthusiastic. Nor just for running on the field afterward without a mask, but for not apologizing enough afterward to show he was contrite. He did not just remove his mask for a quick group photo he had it off for a long time. MLB should have fined him $100,000 and suspended him for Opening Day. But he is both brittle and outstanding, he will make the Dodgers better. We are all human, but he sure sucked as a role model.
vtadave
Ok Karen
tigers2022
*^for
RunDMC
“scuttlebutt” — great word.
+2 points for TC.
bigguccisosa300
Worst kept secret in sports
LATrolleyDodger
I knew it would happen. Now to see the contract details and what Turner settled for.
LATrolleyDodger
Even better than I predicted!!!!
LATrolleyDodger
This is obviously theoretical but could this signing indicate the Dodgers are holding out for the Arenado opt out? I know the Turner deal is not long-term!
PutPeteinthehall
Of course it’s not long term unless you wanted to see him playing with a gray beard. The man is 36 already. And BTW it’s an overpay. No one was going to give him 36-54 million. Was figuring it would have taken 2/24-28
LATrolleyDodger
I know how old he is and he was asking for 4 years! He means a lot to the organization and fan base so they are giving him some security which I can’t be mad at. With Arenado potentially becoming available, I see why the Dodgers talked him into 2 years and full of incentives. I didn’t expect him to play with a “grey beard”, I was just hoping other teams didn’t offer him as much so he could end it in LA.
jury_rigger
Game is a joke. Salary cap and floor, NOW
Stop Giving Billionaires Money
Keep crying because our farm system is one of the best every year too.
We also turn bargain players like Turner into all-stars.
A salary cap wouldn’t hurt the dodgers it would make us focus on what we do best.
Find cheap depth and turn them into champions.
jury_rigger
Congrats on finally buying a title properly after failing for years
mlb1225
Are you saying the Dodgers’ bought their title? Most of their pieces were home grown. Look at their WS winning rotation: Clayton Kershaw, Walker Buehler, Dustin May, Julio Urias, Tony Gonsolin. Their line-up? Corey Seager, Cody Bellinger, Joc Pederson, Will Smith. Justin Turner and Max Muncy were originally brought in on MILB deals. Chris Taylor was a depth trade. Really the only big time free agent that played a decent role for their WS core was A.J. Pollock.
jury_rigger
That wouldn’t have been able to keep all those guys without their payroll. Why does this need to be repeated ad nauseum?
fox471 Dave
Here we go. Buying a title. Wondered how long that would take. Dodgers have a very young team. How is that buying a title? So many whiners, so little time.
vtadave
You would like a bitter Pirates fan
YourDreamGM
The difference is when their Milb deal got expensive they could afford to go over 130 million payroll to resign them. They can afford to not only take on Betts 30 million but give him 300 million. They can afford to have the best facilities, equipment, personnel. Uh oh Padres are stepping up to 170 or whatever to try to contend, we will just go to 250.
Go F yourself San Diego.
mlb1225
There’s a difference between able to retain your players and straight-up buying players.
Nate Colbert
We just want to better. The geography makes you think it’s something more than that. It’s not. Our talent wants to compete, so we’ll do it. It could be the Dodgers, the Braves, the Cardinals, etc. whatever. We’ve sucked forever and now maybe we are good.
By all means, come in your royal blues, pay our hotels, get a beer dumped on you, and spend a night in the city lockup. Then pay our bail bondsman too. All good. San Diego is where people want to live.
YourDreamGM
Not happening. Your small market team owner is happy as can be with the current arrangement.
Mendoza Line 215
I think that the small market team owners want to win too,,but they all know that the deck is stacked heavily against them.WHen they are not nearly at the top of their three year cycle they are not going to spend money just to win a few more games.
YourDreamGM
Sure most probably want to win. Just saying they are happy with the financial situation. Bob nutting been going on tv demanding a salary cap? Good hearing from you Mendoza. Get in here more. Live vicariously through other teams for a year or 2. Though it’s going to be an exciting year for the Pirates. Get those prospects for Kuhl Brault Stratton Rodriguez Frazier. Gotta lock up that number 1 pick. Have the number 1 pick this year. See if Hayes is good or great. See if Reynolds can come back strong. See what Keller can do with new eyes on him. See if Polanco can crack .200 Lots of things to look forward too. Who needs winning baseball?
Mendoza Line 215
Dream- Thank you for the nice note.Believe it or not I have come to feel it is somewhat fun following some of the youngsters brought in to see if they make it.I will not be at your level thusly but it is interesting to note.
I had real feeling for the Orioles,Tigers,Royals,and Marlins fan over the last several years but now I am them!
I remember the days when the Pirates had two successive ownership teams who were clueless and the Buccos were close to moving.I see all of the Nutting haters here but they do not understand that it is a business first and foremost.
The ones who get the shaft from all of this money made by both the players and owners are the fans.That is one of,If not the biggest,reasons why attendance will be on the wane.
I do not know much for the other teams other than the Phillies.That is the reason that I do not comment on other teams.
I was once told to be quiet and be thought stupid than to talk and remove all doubt.
tepmumbs
“Superstar”? More like “Superspreader”. See what I did there?
Loling @ you
We did but no one cares.
fox471 Dave
Saw it. If that was your contribution today, thanks for playing but the grownups are talking.
Stop Giving Billionaires Money
Now move him to 1st and platoon the kids at the hot corner.
shane
The team is (still) stacked. Good for Justin.
norcalblue
Nice to see this. Congratulations JT and LAD!
oof
Totally going in blind here without having read anything other than “two years”:
2 years, club option 3rd. 32 mil.
99 Captain Judge
The Yankees are quietly laughing. DJ is making $16 million a year. Justin Turner is making $15 million a year. Who is the better player? That’s why their laughing. The Dodgers will lose draft picks for being so high over the luxury tax. The Yankees won’t. LA better get to the World Series again. Do they really have a choice with that payroll? Smh
AshamedMethGoat
How many rings did DJ get with the Yankees?
mattypie
Haha! That made me giggle!
99 Captain Judge
@mattypie- you must be giggling from all the meth? Not surprised
99 Captain Judge
@AshamedMethGoat- relax DJ has played for the Yankees for only 2 seasons. I guarantee he gets a few rings in the next 6 years though. Don’t let the meth get to your head.
Orel Saxhiser
No guarantees in baseball.
philliesphan77
“A few rings”??? Man, someone needs to put the stem down, but it might be you
AshamedMethGoat
@Yanks4Life, Yankees won’t win a ring this year, I can guarantee that. Your best hitters can’t stay on the field and your rotation, outside of Cole, is a question mark, at best.
JT will get #2 before DJ sees #1.
99 Captain Judge
@AshamedMethGoat- tell the truth are you high right now?
99 Captain Judge
@philliesphan77- you sound salty. Good luck with 3rd place staring ^ at the Braves & Mets all year. Good luck!
AshamedMethGoat
Also, it’s really rich having a Yankee fan try to lecture anyone about overpaying for players, considering their history,
Loling @ you
Yankees recent overpays
Gerrit cole OVERPAY
9/325 million
Giancarlo Stanton OVERPAY
13/325 million
DJL OVERPAY
6/90 million
Jacoby ellsbury MASSIVELY OVERPAID
7/153 million
Coming soon Aaron judge & Glyber torres
99 Captain Judge
@Tatsumaki- I certainly hope so. No longer paying Ellsbury anymore though. Be careful with that luxury tax this year. Your probably losing draft picks. DJ is overpaid? You must be talking about Justin Turner. Everyone knows DJ is a better player then Turner. You really think Bauer is better then Cole? Nobody is more overpaid then Bauer to be a #3 in your starting rotation.
mlbdodgerfan2015
@ Yank4Life Dodgers will lose a pick as Bauer was extended a qualifying offer. They didn’t exceed the luxury tax last year. If they stay above $250mm, their first pick goes down by 10 picks. Not a big deal since the Dodgers draft so late in the first round to begin with. Sounds like someone needs to be educated on how a short term contract works relative to a long term contract. On a shorter term contract you pay a higher AAV but you run a much lower risk of an albatross contract. It’s a trade off. Dodgers prefer not to go very long-term unless there is certainty that the player will be able to live up to the contract, like a Mookie Betts. DJ gets a lower AAV but he’s on a 6 years $90mm deal, compared to Turner’s 2 years $34mm. Prior to his Yankee days, Turner was the much better player. Yes, in the last year and a half it’s been DJ. Turner gives up 4 years on DJ though and he’s no slouch. Obviously Turner will be in a decline quicker than DJ. Cole has 8 years remaining on his contract compared to Bauer’s essentially 2 years. Who’s contract do you think is riskier? I’ll tell you that Bauer was the much better pitcher at UCLA, and he has some upside. Cole has been very good since he found the foreign substance. He was pretty disappointing with the Pirates pre-spin rate ramp up. If your comparison is apples to apples, Bauer may just be the better pitcher if he’s allowed the same foreign substance to increase his spin rate. We’ll see how it shakes out. What happens if MLB puts the kibosh on foreign substances. I doubt it but who knows. Cole is toast, and probably reverts to pre-Astros days. Yankees are on the hook for eight years at $36mm AAV. Good luck with that.
nik
“Bauer may just be the better pitcher if he’s allowed the same foreign substance to increase his spin rate”
Wait… what? Ummm….How do you think Bauer got good?
mlbdodgerfan2015
Point being is Cole really better than Bauer or cheating for a longer time? Hmmm. Bauer was really not on anything until last year and he was lights out.
Spare Tire Dixon
I can’t imagine the Dodgers care what the Yankees are “laughing” at. They are the reigning champs and the obvious favorite going into 2021. They had the best roster already, then added the top available starting pitcher, re-signed their locker room leader, and strengthened their bullpen. I doubt LA cares if DJ wins another batting title or the Yankees win the AL East or wildcard.
Rsox
The Yankees just finished their first decade in 100 years without appearing in at least one World Series. They shouldn’t be laughing at anyone
Mjshof
Lol. Imagine the embarrassment of riches that that circumstance reflects.
99 Captain Judge
@Rsox- except the RedSuks
Rsox
Red Sox have out championshiped the Yankees the last two decades
JerseyShoreScore
Not sure the Dodgers are concerned about the Yankees…
When is the last time they were in a World Series?
BobGibsonFan
Dodgers will get another ring before the yankees do. Losing a draft pick for the dodgers and they will still have a better draft than the yankees.
Red sox will get a ring before the yanks.
99 Captain Judge
@BobGibsonFan- wait are you a Cardinals fan or a Dodgers fan? The RedSuks are a big joke. Stop making me laugh! Just because the Dodgers will have the highest payroll in baseball it guarantee’s them nothing really.
nik
Dodger fans are all high and mighty because they won a two month pretend baseball season after flopping year after year.
BobGibsonFan
Red sox are a joke today, but they will still get a championship before the yankees. Grandpa, tell us the story again how great the yankees were…
No way…. highest payrolls dont guarantee championships? Wait, I need to write this down…
BobGibsonFan
Wouldn’t it be ironic that the two longest dynasties of the past 30 years net only one championship per team and its during shortened seasons?
2020 Dodgers
1995 Braves
mlbdodgerfan2015
Nik is bitter because the Dodgers have been to 3 of the last 4 WS and defending champs.
YourDreamGM
They can get under the tax before losing any draft picks. If there is a tax or it doesn’t go up after cba.
fox471 Dave
Yankees had the highest payroll for the last three decades, on average. How many titles did the team win?
RobM
7 AL Pennants and 5 World Championships, more than any team in the last three decades. Since you brought it up. Just helping.
amk1920
Dodgers didn’t have to massively over commit to Turner or Bauer like the Yankees did for Cole and LeMahieu.
nik
They committed stupid money, just won’t get as many years of service for it. I don’t know if I’d brag about dumping a fortune on an aging juicer and a legit crazy person.
Chief Two Hands
Your posts just keep getting more and more ridiculous, Nik. You are so bitter about the Dodgers’ recent success and future potential you have resorted to baseless PED accusations. Simply pathetic…
mlbdodgerfan2015
It’s not the same. Do people here not understand length of contract and what you’re on the hook for? Bad short term contracts don’t destroy your team. Long ones can. Not very smart if you don’t know the difference and risks between DJ and Cole’s contracts versus Turner’s and Bauer’s. Smart money bet is on Friedman in case you haven’t figured it out yet.
cheapseater
The implicit no trade pact from 10 and 5 rights should be nice, too.
AshamedMethGoat
He was worth more to the Dodgers than any other team. The reunion makes sense for all involved, and JT can end his career in Dodger Blue so he can then begin working his way through their system as a coach.
nik
That beard has GOT to be smelly.
mattypie
So stoked! Couldn’t ask for a better guy in the club house! Plus a 300 plus batting average isn’t bad either. If Tom Brady can toss the pigskin till 43 (or more) then Turner can play in the hot corner at least for a few more years.
99 Captain Judge
@mattypie- you must be stoked from all the meth I guess?
Chief Two Hands
Relax, Yank4Life. You are making yourself sound like a fool and No one is taking anything you say here seriously. Go sleep it off.
99 Captain Judge
@Chief Two Hands- the Dodgers going to these World Series the past few years have just won ONCE so maybe you need to relax, sleep it off, and stop using your two hands? Having the highest payroll in baseball guarantees you nothing, chief.
nik
As long as the masking agents hold up, both of those guys very well might do that.
vivalosdoyers
Wow there are no holes in this stacked team. I wouldn’t mind seeing a Lux for Hader package as it looks like there will be little room for him on this current team.
mattypie
I wouldn’t hate that, however, I’m hopeful Lux could become a really good player. Am I too hopeful?
Orel Saxhiser
Trading Lux for a one-inning pitcher would be foolish. That’s not going to happen. I don’t get Dodger fans who are anxious to move Lux, Ruiz, and Gonsolin. There is no reason to do that.
vivalosdoyers
Not sure if Lux will get any playing time this year but Hader definitely will for the next three years. If Lux was good enough he would have been starting over Kike and Taylor.
jk
@cey hey the trouble is that these guys are going to lose value the more time they spend in the minors
YourDreamGM
Hader has too many miles on him and Brewers still think teams are willing to pay chapman prices.
Jaa1968
That was a shock. Not…
bbatardo
I couldn’t see him going elsewhere. I think negotiations with other teams were leverage against the Dodgers lol
ARKScout
Was really hoping to see the Brewers somehow pull this off, this looks like the least potent Brewers offense since Prince Fielder came up to the big leagues over 15 years ago. Brewers desperately need another middle of the order bat to even think about contending in the Central let alone the National League next season and I don’t think that bat is out there anymore. Best move assuming Jose Ramirez isn’t available via trade appears to be a flier on Maikel Franco with the hopes his best hitting seasons are still ahead of him….but that could be wishful thinking.
WeeWoo
What would it take to get Jose Ramirez? Would you trade Avi Garcia, Tristen Lutz, Ethan Small and whichever catcher (Henry or Feliciano) they prefer for him? That’s an instant upgrade to their outfield for both now and later, with a high upside starter and the best catching prospect? Doesn’t seem like the Crew have the pieces, even if Keston Huira was sent too. Certainly wishful thinking, but it seems like the best player for what they need, power at the hot corner.
Loling @ you
Indians aren’t trading him he is now their franchise. That package you mentioned isn’t good as well.
Deleted Userrr
Why not? They traded Lindor.
ohioscott
What I really like about Turner signing, other then the obvious (production, leadership, community), is that it makes our bench stronger. The Dodgers have been successful winning 8 straight NL West, 3 NL Pennants, and 1 Championship in part because of the flexibility from their bench players. Guys like Kike, Joc, Taylor, Freese, and Utley have all been key contributors over the last 8 years. Now with Turner back in the fold that moves Rios back to the bench to backup both 1st and 3rd. If Lux can rebound and win the 2nd base job that will put Taylor more or less in the Kike roll of playing both IF/OF. If Neuse is anywhere close to the hype we are hearing he is another multiple position player. And that still leaves guys like Beaty, McKinstry, and Peters. If the owners/players decide at the last minute to go with the DH the Dodgers will have plenty of options. Not to mention being able rest vets like Turner and Pollock. I’m a happy camper.
fox471 Dave
Me too, ohioscott. Good analysis!
Thronson5
Really glad he’s staying. While his defense has started to fall off a tad he’s still good at 3rd, he’s starting to worry me with injuries but we have guys that can help get him some rest and hopefully the DH is back. Even with some concerns he still clutch in the regular season and a absolute beast in the playoffs and actually looked like himself at 3rd in the playoffs last season. Couldn’t see us replacing what he brings if he left. Actually worried about Bellinger losing power after that surgery. I know A-GON had the same surgery he said he didn’t didn’t have the same power that next season which was clear, hopefully Bellinger goes back to just making contact and being that average up, doesn’t have to hit a lot of home runs with the other guys in the lineup and the pitching we have but I was definitely worried about that plus losing Turners bat.
its_happening
Teams with a need for 3B should be calling for Rios.
Teams with money to blow and pitching issues should be calling for Price.
Turner is a good signing. Productive with leadership.
Will be interesting how the Dodgers proceed with their current payroll and what they do next year also.
Orel Saxhiser
No reason to trade Rios. Payroll will be different by opening day. Future payroll is in great shape with very little on the books after this season.
cookmeister 2
Gonna have to pay buehler and belli soon
Lurking
4 years till they need a big deal. That is not really soon
its_happening
Cey Hey if you are looking to trim salary without taking money back there will be a casualty. But sure, keep Rios on your bench wasted away not playing. Dodgers have a young guy in the system. If Rios is the loss in a deal involving Price or Jansen there is no reason to be upset over losing a guy you’d barely use.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Rios will get plenty of playing time filling in for Turner on off days and injuries. Plus if there is a DH he will get a lot of playing time. Dodgers may just roll with what they have and take a one year hit on taxes. Lots of contracts rolling off after this year so they can reset in 2022. If there is an attractive deal offered to shave off payroll sure that can give them more flexibility for a mid season trade.
Lurking
Why would you want to give away a 40 HR potential bat who can play 3B? Are you insane?
its_happening
40 HR not happening from the bench, so that argument is incorrect. Rios will not play enough. The fact that you’d say that suggests you should never call anyone else an idiot. You can’t hit 40 bombs without regular at bats. Guess what? Rios won’t receive that.
Dodgers want to carry dead salary like Price, fine. To ask another team to take on that salary will mean a penalty. Not sure why a part-time bench player with no path to playing time with prospects behind him is baffling. But run that nonsense with Rios. Insanity is signing a player over an alleged 40 bomb player. Or Rios doesn’t have that potential and reality is a place you don’t recognize.
Cap & Crunch
I dont think they will do much in all honesty next year
Lot can change in a year but theres Really zero need to add a Sp, bullpen will be fine (I bet they make a couple small adds there but nothing big, and really theres not a whole lot of field to cover- They gotta leave room to interenally grow
Id bet they stay realllly quite next year, and ofc LAD fans will bit%%^&
Lurking
There’s no logical reason to assume the dodgers will suddenly stop adding talent. They’ve added a superstar more offseasons than not the last few years
If Seager stays or he’s replaced, it will be with a big name I’d bet. Turner is only a 2 year deal with DH written all over him. Assuming they are going to stand pat is pretty naive thinking
ARKScout
If im running the Brewers I’m offering Josh Hader to the Dodgers for some kind of deal centered around Gavin Lux. I don’t think Haders value will ever be higher than it is right now and Devin Williams is more than capable of filling the closer role. If i could get a package featuring a young bat like Lux is pull the trigger in a heartbeat, and it appears he is still blocked in LA with Turner re-signing
paulslc
Luxy’s not going anywhere, neither is Rios or Price per above comments
LA’s super team is getting ready to steamroll your squads
Orel Saxhiser
So tired of the “trade Lux” crowd.
Joe Ferguson
Lux has been blocked by his poor performance.
Orel Saxhiser
When did he perform poorly? He looked good in September 2019, had his season wrecked by illness last year prior to the opening of summer camp.
vivalosdoyers
I definitely read between the lines on that one, “illness.”
mlbdodgerfan2015
This is a make it or break it year for Lux. Let’s hope that he is healthy and regains his 2019 form. I remember him being a disappointment in 2017, then having a very strong bounce back year in 2018 before the blistering 2019. Sometimes it’s a couple steps forward and one step back before breaking out. In 2020 he seemed completely lost at the plate and field.
Kapostatuz
If there’s anybody I would be happy to get paid in their late 30s it definitely has to be Justin turner, well deserved my guy.. coming from a met fan
number1dodger
Yes. He is a really nice guy too. I met him in 2017 at Dodger stadium. He is always smiling.
LATrolleyDodger
Dude!! That’s awesome you met him too. I was with my little cousin who was I think 7 or so. We had blank baseballs and a pen hoping to catch them leave (we know the spot ;]). Security saw us and kept telling us to leave but Justin came walking out and told the security everything is fine! We were there with a son and father as well. He chatted for a brief minute and then told us to give him our baseballs through the fencing. He signed it all for us!!! Never going to forget his kindness. Now Puig on the other hand…. lmao total d***
Orel Saxhiser
Fans don’t “know” the players. All people are capable of smiling.
Chief Two Hands
Not me. Smiling shows weakness! I am strong like angry bull!
TommyLasutton
Love that he’s back. Hate the cost. According to fangraphs, he’s a 17MM/year hit regardless of the third year option. Really curious to see if they had a 3-year deal closer to 36-40MM total. Would’ve just gave him the 3-year if he was up to that total.
Yep it is
Appreciate the hustle and drive but calling him a Superstar is Super Stupid.
differentbears
139 OPS+ since 2014, and he rakes in the postseason.
3Rivers
Wait….The DODGERS ? To spend another 40 or 50 million? I would have neeeever guessed. #mlbisajoke
rememberthecoop
Yet here you are. How is it a joke? If we’ve learned anything, it’s that the team that spends the most is not guaranteed to win it all. Don’t get me wrong, it certainly helps. But it’s no pancea if you don’t spend wisely.
Doral Silverthorn
Can’t wait for the pulled hamstring early in the season like clockwork.
Whiskey and leather balls
Didn’t get that 4/5 year contract he was seeking? Shocking
Spare Tire Dixon
1, Betts, RF (R)
2. Bellinger, CF (L)
3. Turner, 3B (R)
4. Muncy, 1B (L)
5. Seager, SS (L)
6. Smith, C (R)
7. Pollock, LF (R)
8. Taylor/Lux, 2B (R/L)
Quite the balance to that lineup. With seven legit starting pitching options, the Dodgers should consider a six-man rotation. Given the return to a 162 game season, LA’s depth might separate them from the pack more than ever.
IStallion
Looking at that lineup, I’m still somewhat concerned about Bellinger and Muncy. I sure hope they both can get back on track. I know Cody usually plays small in October, but he struggled often all year as did Muncy. I hope that doesn’t mean the pitchers have found a book on these two….we need them.
Cap & Crunch
There not moving off Mookie 1 Seager 2
bush1
But got completely overpaid on a 2 yr with an option. I can’t believe he got 17 million a yr on a multi yr deal. He’s been a good player, but hard pass on that deal at his age.
LATrolleyDodger
It’s the Dodgers way of saying thank you for being a clubhouse guy and producer for all these years! Can’t hate when a team gives someone security. It’s only two years. I don’t see the negative.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
First why wouldn’t Seager hit 2nd as he’s always done. Second, Turner also was completely undercut as his contract was completely backloaded, and well prorated salaries and all……
fox471 Dave
Just make that up?
Bart Harley Jarvis
I used like watching this guy play. Now I see him as just a Covid-encrusted hobbit.
paulslc
That’s your mirror
Bart Harley Jarvis
Unicorndog sad.
Chief Two Hands
Now look at what you did, paulslc. That weird hybrid, which has undoubtedly overcome a tremendous amount of adversity and somehow kept a stiff upper lip…is no longer happy. I hope you are…
Bart Harley Jarvis
Chief Two,
You knocked it out of the park with the multiple ellipses. Nice work!
mattypie
You seem wonderful
Bart Harley Jarvis
Thanks, pie. You’re a sweetheart.
fox471 Dave
Still being you I see, unicorn. Really drank the koolaid, did you? Rat your neighbor out for not wearing a mask, while mowing her lawn?
Bart Harley Jarvis
Oh, fox. Projecting, aren’t we?
BobGibsonFan
How many people died because he didnt wear a mask?
mlbnyyfan
I think they should of traded for Bryant someone younger.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
I think they should have used proper grammar.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Seven.
fox471 Dave
Liar!
BobGibsonFan
Fake news
Franco27
Dodgers payroll more than 5 small market teams put together. MLB is broken. Not blaming it on the Dodgers, just saying.
arne23
Let’s go!!!
mlbnyyfan
Everyone used to hate the Yankees for buying a Championship but no one cares if the Dodgers do it now
Franco27
MLB needs to create caps to level the playing field for all teams. This is getting crazy.
Buehler........Buehler
Literally every post about teams buying a championship is about the Dodgers buying a championship on this thread………
differentbears
Dodgers had the most homegrown players of any team in the postseason last year. They spend money to keep their talent, and they develop their young players better than any team. They also turn castoffs into .900 OPS hitters.
Before Bauer, the Dodgers’ biggest free agent signing was AJ Pollock.
rememberthecoop
It’s so ridiculous that writers have to source every piece of a breaking story.
muskie73
Since the start of the 2019 season Justin Turner has posted 4.7 fWAR, valued at $37.4 million, in 177 games.
Over the same period, Kyle Seager has posted 4.4 fWAR, valued at $35.5 million, in 166 games.
Seager lacks the injury history of Justin Turner, who is three years older than Seager. If traded Seager is owed $33.5 million, plus potential incentives, over the next two seasons.
The Seager contract is not underwater if Turner gets $34 million, plus incentives, over two years. The Mariners may well exercise the 2022 team option for $15 million plus incentives.
rememberthecoop
Go fish.
mlbdodgerfan2015
The big difference is that the Dodgers would have to pony up prospects to acquire Seager versus just money to re-sign Seager. In addition, they were looking to rebalance their lineup with another RH batter in Turner. Seager doesn’t achieve this. I think the difference between Seager’s and Turner’s WAR past is defense. Not that defense is not important but if there is a DH this year you value the bat a little more than the glove. Turner’s bat has been a lot more consistent than Seager’s. You only went back to start of 2019. Different story if you only backed up to 2018 or 2017.
LATrolleyDodger
Dodgers might be holding their breath for Arenado to opt-out!
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Figured he would resign. I’m waiting to see his decline. I just don’t see him staying as good as he is much longer.
DannyECO
Jon Heyman? Talkin’ Jake had the 2 year/34 mil first.
paulslc
Dodger fans happy. Fans of lesser teams mad.
*LOVE IT*
hashtahjimboutonwasright
Fans of “lesser teams” simply don’t care.
paulslc
Because nothing says ‘I don’t care’ like reading the turner returns to dodgers story, perusing the comments, and posting a reply.
fox471 Dave
Yeah they do. They really do.
Moneyballer
I look forward to the lesser teams beating the snot out of the dodgers next season. You win the covid title and suddenly you’re all cocky, it’s gonna cost ya!
paulslc
Keep dreamin bro
differentbears
They won 106 games in 2019 and then added Mookie Betts. They were the favorites in Spring Training, they won 43 of 60, outscored teams by nearly 2.5 runs per game, and they were still the favorites to win the World Series when the postseason began. They’ve had a winning percentage that equates to 102 wins a year since 2017.
The Dodgers scored the most runs, had the lowest team ERA, and won the most games in postseason history (with no off days in the NLDS and NLCS). They were in their 3rd World Series in four years, and beat the teams with the 3rd best record, the 4th best record, and the 2nd best record to win it all.
And they just added the reigning NL Cy Young winner.
But you’re right, they’re an unworthy team that benefitted from a short season, and will be exposed in 2021 as the frauds that they are.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
They also struggled to beat a Braves team that wasn’t that great. They should have beaten them more easily.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Braves were the #1 OPS team in mlb in 2020. Also losing one series doesn’t negate years of elite performance. If you’re a baseball fan you should know that mlb playoffs can be a crapshoot. Plenty of wild card teams have won.
hashtahjimboutonwasright
Meh
IStallion
I certainly don’t believe he is done quite yet at age 36, but I do believe he will continue to be on the decline, albeit, I hope, only a slight decline. Having Rios and Neuse in reserve should help just in case he gets hurt. But what I want most of all from him is to be BEASTY IN OCTOBER!
Moneyballer
Im surprised he got such a nice contract! Very nice deal for Turner. Dodgers really came through for him!
Cap & Crunch
Its more money than I would have guessed as well but hey its not my money –
Im glad there’s an opt out before year 3
mattypie
So many haters on tonight. EVERY MLB team has the same opportunity to spend money and resign their own talent or go out and spend it on FA’s. The fact that they don’t isn’t the MLB’s or the dodgers fault. The cheap billionaires owners are to blame for that. Stop hating the dodgers for playing the game they are allowed to play. If you’re salty because your team isn’t there yet, Don’t give up, stay invested, it makes the win so much sweeter.
LATrolleyDodger
Amen bro. It’s not like the Dodgers are ripping every single all-star from all teams through FA money. It’s an all-around development that has made them the envy of many teams and fans alike. From scouting, to the minor leagues, trades, and free agency.
Brew’88
They settled
C-Daddy
I think most other fans are just jealous. It’s easy being a Dodgers fan – ownership spends a ton of money and the organization is extremely well run. The finish first every year and always seem to have top prospects coming up. I say this as a Blue Jays fan.
alanofla
“My team’s owner won’t spend; therefore, there should be a rule that your team cannot spend.
Waaaahhhh!”
It isn’t rocket science for the other GMs to see how Friedman works. They could do it too if their owners decided that winning was better than more profits. These short-sided owners don’t seem to understand that it takes money to make money. They want the easy way out. The Angels share the same market with the Dodgers but Anaheim has an owner who hates paying for pitchers. That must be the Dodgers fault as well.
When Frank and Jamie McCourt found a way to bankrupt the Dodgers, even with over 3.5 million in attendance every year and a decent TV deal, I bet nobody complaining here now cared then. What happened to change this? Many Dodger fans stopped going to games, and MLB took note and made the McCourts sell the team.
If your team does not spend, do the same thing, but you’ve got to have a lot of people join you. It must be noticeable. It must make the news in your area, and it must be an ongoing protest.
The O’Malleys built the Dodgers Dominican Republic academy some here are now jealous about. A couple of O’Malley offspring now own the Padres. This should show the whiners here that it is not the money disparity holding some teams back but rather the vision and true desire of the ownership group.
As for the Yankee fans here complaining about the Dodgers? You made me laugh so hard, the water I was drinking came out my nose.
Mendoza Line 215
Alan- spoken like a true homer.Good for you.
chicagofan1978
Was he wearing a mask when he signed the contract? I’m kidding guys stop
RobM
Poor Padres. I admire their push and desire to unseat the Dodgers, but the Dodgers are doing what every MLB team should be doing: Refusing to surrender.
strat272
Best team money can buy… Own it now Dodger fans. Yankees are worth 5.4bil according to Forbs Dodgers are worth 3.5bil does this team have a limit ? 257mil payroll for 2021. I guess not.
iml12
You roll out a payroll 50 million more than anyone else you better win.
RobM
The lament of fans of losing teams.
mlbdodgerfan2015
They were below the luxury tax 2018-2020. I don’t understand these posts. What do you want the Dodgers to do not spend? Do you want to pretend that the Dodgers are a small market team? Of course money matters and many small market teams have a very small chance of winning the WS. What’s the point? Did you just find that out? The Dodgers are big and spend. They have been spending much wiser under Friedman and redeveloped their farm system. Mookie is really their only mega deal. The others have been shorter term contracts. These runs were not made by spending only. No team can just spend to win. Look at the Yankees dry spell. You still have to develop good cheap young talent to blend with the more expensive players. Are we trying to make the it’s not fair argument? Go watch NFL games if you want parity. MLBPA will never allow a salary cap.
WouldSettleForWildcard
Let’s debunk this myth about the Dodgers’ success being due to their being “well run.” If you add up player salaries over the last 10 years for three of the NL’s winningest franchises, LA, STL, and ATL, you find that LA spent more than $1.6MM in salaries per win, STL spent less than $1.2MM in salaries per win, and ATL spent a little over $1MM in salaries per win. The Dodgers are the opposite of “well run.” If they weren’t willing to massively outspend their rest of the league, they would struggle to compete. I don’t begrudge LA their success or their excessive salary outlay, more power to ‘em. But Dodger fans should stop pretending they are winning with their brains and not their wallets.
iml12
I tend to agree. They didn’t win a thing before they went out and got a massive hired gun (mookie betts) and now they are just rolling out a payroll 50 million dollar more than anyone else to sustain that great 60 games. It will be interesting to see how this plays out the next couple years. Friedman can go from genius to dunce very quickly.
Walker21Bellibomb35
google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/am…
Tell me which team is ranked 1st on that list of most homegrown talent on the team and say with a straight face the Dodgers are winning just because they spend more.
Walker21Bellibomb35
google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/am…
That was last seasons my mistake
WouldSettleForWildcard
The Dodgers are winning just because they spend more. More to KEEP the talent they wisely and effectively develop. More to bring in top free agents like Mookie Betts and Trevor Bauer. The Dodgers have built a GREAT team, I’m just not sure why some fans don’t want acknowledge how critical the $$$ are to the process. Was there a ring for them in 2020 without Betts? If Betts had been a Brave during the NLCS would it have been ATL facing off against Tampa Bay? Who knows? Do the Dodgers do a lot of things extremely well? Absolutely! Is outspending the rest of the league a key factor in their success? Yes it is. I’m not sure why there’s even an argument about this.
Walker21Bellibomb35
So the Dodgers aren’t wise for extending their own star homegrown talents that they drafted and developed? Of course being able to keep their players is an advantage but any of the other 30 teams could have drafted a walker beuhler, Cody Bellinger, Corey Seager etc. Doesn’t mean they would have become the stars they are now. I also don’t like the what if game, what if Freddie freeman or Max fried were on the Dodgers, would the series have gone 7 games?
WouldSettleForWildcard
I’m willing to call the Dodger FO wise, but it’s hardly wise to pay to keep your best players. Every team does that to the extent they can afford to. (And I have it on good faith that the Braves missed on Beuhler, Bellinger, and Seager because they were so focused on Acuna, Albies, and Soroka.) Just because the Dodgers scout and develop well doesn’t mean their extra salary spending isn’t a key to their success. Again, they’re a great franchise and have built a great team, but without the excessive spending some of that greatness would look a lot more ordinary.
brandons-3
The danger of the Dodgers isn’t that their spending of money is somehow bad for baseball (crazy how we as fans have allowed us to be conditioned that spending as little as possible to win is more impressive than spending money).
The danger of the Dodgers for baseball is that they probably have the best front office in baseball, a great team, one of the most consistent development pipelines in the sport, and are spending money WISELY on (mostly) short term deals.
It’s one thing for the Yankees, Red Sox, Cubs, or Angels to throw out nine-figure deals that look terrible three years in, but I cannot think of one absolute albatross contract Friedman has given out. While some have hit more than others, he operates in high AAV, short-term deals for the most part.
Dodgers are smart, rich, and talented. The train isn’t stopping anytime soon.
WouldSettleForWildcard
The “train” had to claw back from a 3-1 deficit in the NLCS just to make it to the series last year. It may keep rolling, but I wouldn’t count my chickens yet. Baseball has a way of humbling the richest, proudest, and even the smartest (although it doesn’t take a whole lot of “smarts” to outbid everyone for top talent like Mookie Betts and Trevor Bauer). The Dodgers have a great FO and they develop players well, just like all the other top franchises. The dollars are the differentiator. If the Dodger train keeps rolling, it will largely be due to the talent they can afford to keep on board.
math
You know Mookie wasn’t a FA when they got him right? You remember that the Dodgers gave up two premium prospects to get him? That he was only available because Boston, another huge market team, refused to pay him what he’s worth? Before Bauer, the biggest FA signing the current GM made was AJ Pollock. Are the dollars the differentiator for the Red Sox when they’re spending them on Nathan Eovaldi?
WouldSettleForWildcard
I’m still a bit confused by these arguments. The Dodgers are awesome, and it takes $250MM in payroll to be as awesome as they are. It doesn’t matter whether they’re paying the salary for a big trade piece, retaining homegrown players, or buying free agents. Nobody’s dissing the team or the FO. I just don’t understand why Dodger fans need to argue that somehow they could spend a hundred million less and be just as good. The money matters. Just enjoy it while it lasts.
Chief Two Hands
Coming this summer…”It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until your team is financially inferior.” “I need your clothes, your boots and your calculator….” It is…”The Differentiator!”
Mendoza Line 215
The money is what attracts the young-middle age finest baseball minds like Andrew Friedman to Uber rich teams like the Dodgers.Do you see these guys(and now women) going to the Rays or Pirates?Not to say that all ML teams should not be able to get qualified top executives,but the rich teams tend to get almost all of the best ones,and one of the main reasons is that the execs want to win a WS also.
Do you think that one of the main reasons that Trevor Bauer signed with a Uber rich team was that they had the best chance of winning the WS?What about Turner?Do you think that the Pirates could have afforded Gerrit Cole,or that he also diidn’t want to play with anyone who did not have a strong chance of winning?
I wouldn’t get too cocky if I were a Dodgers fan because it could be another 32 years,you never know.
mlbdodgerfan2015
These spending posts are so stupid. What do you want the Dodgers to do not spend the money for the goodness of parity in MLB. The Dodgers have spent a lot more wisely than past big market teams. Don’t forget that Friedman had to clean up the mess he inherited from Colletti and rebuilt the farm. It’s not like he has been handing out big contracts left and right. He’s been smart to give out higher AAV shorter term contracts rather than mega deals. This is true with Kershaw, Bauer and Turner. You can argue over relative value but there is something to be said about de-risking contracts by using shorter term contracts. Do you want to be stuck with Pujols, Stanton, Arenado type of contracts? Do you want Cole’s remaining 8 years? Friedman was with the Rays and that was important. He learned small market tactics and blended it with big market budgets. He knows ultimately that no matter the budget it’s not a sustainable model to just spend. Look at the Yankees. This is will be key in how the Dodgers handle upcoming free agents. May have to make some very unfavorable decisions.
Simodine
You can argue the dodgers are a better run team then the Yankees or any other major market team.
At the same time small market teams can’t afford a single player making 40-45m a year and compete.
When one teams tv deal pays 20m per year and another teams is 200m per year you don’t have the same resources to compete.
WouldSettleForWildcard
For clarity, many Dodger fans are arguing that their high payroll dollars are unimportant to their success. My “stupid” posts about spending are just refuting that. The Dodgers have done a great job of building their team. I’m not asking them to spend any less than they’re spending. It’s just hard to listen to arguments about how the money isn’t one of the key reasons their team is as good as it is.
mlbdodgerfan2015
No, most of the posts here are Dodgers would never be this good without money. Context of these posts is money is the most important factor. Money is obviously huge but plenty of teams know how to flush it away with bad contracts. That hasn’t been the way Friedman has built these teams. I highly doubt that the Dodgers would have been as successful by just spending money. It will be very interesting to see how the Dodgers fare when these free agents come up and when less higher impact rookies and washouts contribute. Great teams have severely declined when they gave out large long term contracts to aging players. Not just baseball. The Dodgers have had a lot of cheap talent contribute in major ways over the last 8 seasons and really the key reason for the sustainable performance in 8 straight NL West division wins and major playoff runs. That spigot could potentially dry out in the future.
Veejh
The 2019 Dodgers were supposed to be a juggernaut, too.
differentbears
Did 2020 happen, or…
math
The Nationals were the only team that could beat the Dodgers in 5 games, and 5 games was the only series length that the Nationals could beat the Dodgers in. It was a perfect storm of pain
mlbdodgerfan2015
Agreed. In a five game series anything can happen. Usually if you have the best 3 SPs you win that series. Getting Bauer was huge. When you can pitch Buehler, Bauer and Kershaw in a five game series you should almost always be favored to win.
sillyscully
I don’t think Turner ever had any intention of leaving LA. He had to listen to offers from other teams to have some sort of leverage. The Brewers probably offered more $$ which gave him the edge to push the Dodgers to give him something close. Good move by both sides!
SwingtheFNbat
This year is NOT gonna be as easy as these Dodgers fans think. They barely got by the Braves. The Bauer addition might be enough on his good year. But besides him, what’s different? For me I need a little bit more turn over, things get stale in a hurry. So history tells me.
vivalosdoyers
Urias, May, Gonsalin, Smith, Rios, Lux and even Seager still improving. Add in Downs and Ruiz for more depth, Bauer and Price to the starting rotation and a full year of Betts and this team is significantly better.
Chief Two Hands
Several key Dodgers had a down season in terms of numbers last year, as well. I would also add Buehler to the list of significant players who still have room for improvement.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Downs was traded. No guarantees that May or Gonsolin will improve. It can go either way. Small sample size reversion to mean or sustainable improvements. That said young pitchers are most likely to improve, Urias probably the most likely. Bellinger had a subpar year too. Lux can only go up but still plenty of doubts if he can be an everyday MLB player until he proves so. But the Dodgers overall have a lot of talent. I don’t think you need major improvements but rather at least sustain what you had last season. Part of why I’d have preferred to keep Joc at LF on a platoon for a bounce back. Dodgers did weaken in some areas with departures of Joc and Kike. Not huge but something. Bauer is a potential huge upgrade in the rotation.
lebowskiachiever
I don’t think people realize how much better the Dodgers were than the Padres last year. over the course of a 162 game season, the Dodgers were projected to win the NL West by SEVENTEEN GAMES. And this is with the Padres having flukish, non-repeatable seasons by Hosmer and Meyers and going on a crazy hot streak to end the year – that is, until they were SWEPT by the Dodgers in the NLDS. There is a significant delta between the clubs. Since then, the Padres have added Darvish, Snell, and Musgrove but have lost Clevinger, Richards, and quite likely will lose their best pitcher in Lamet while the Dodgers have added Bauer. No baseball season is ever easy, but I don’t think the Padres are as close as people imagine.
opranger
Welcomed back JT! I know you will provide more great Dodger highlights in the coming years! As a fan I know someday you will be managing the Dodgers in the future!
Redwolves3
Include in Turner’s contract a 2 years supply of masks to be worn at all times. And a $25,000 fine for failure to wear .
TradeAcuna
Pretty evident he didn’t care about going elsewhere.
Oh well.
The Braves will likely stay with Riley and make excuses why they lost again.
larry48
Braves lost because of poor defense, poor base running, striking out a lot, and poor hitting.
skullbreathe
Woke sports writers STILL bringing up Turner’s positive COVID and returning to the field after the series was won is laughable… Ah…. no one cares about that anymore but reminds us woke sports writers always have that leftist’s wheel to grind…
prov356
The media and government are desparately trying to keep it alive.
mccourtscorpse
surprised they don’t include that he was using his privilege as well
prov356
Good
robb5215
Seems like an overpay! As for equality, salary cap needs to be firm. Anything over needs to be taxed at 50% or greater distributed equally to other teams under the cap. And low paying/market teams or any team for that matter need to compete at least once every 5 years or be forced to sell their team! Sort of like a business has to show a profit every so often or be considered insolvent. The condition of the term “compete” would need to be defined, by a more intelligent mind than me. The cap would need to be large enough as to not keep premium players from getting paid properly, but not so large as to deter ultimate goal of competitive balance to a certain degree. And the need for competitiveness by lower teams, will require overpay occasionally by each team for the compete clause. I am sure there are a lot smarter people on here who could figure out the details.
Brew’88
he’s not aging gracefully
leftykoufax
He does bring that intagible “clubhouse presence” more likely the reason they brought Turner back, good move.
daveineg
After losing out on Turner, I’m sure the Brewers would have interest in dealing for Rios, and might entertain the idea of taking Kelly off the Dodgers books too.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Makes no sense for the Dodgers to deal Rios. He’s young, cheap and will have to fill in more for the aging and injury prone Turner. If Dodgers are trimming payroll they should look into moving Kelly or Price or Pollock. For Pollock they’d have to find a cheap option at LF like Garret Cooper.
werbellik
“Superstar”??????
bauertododgers
I’s say because he’s been a dodger third baseman that everybody you know, knows his name as the great player he is
In nurse follars
Who are the dodgers negotiating against. Did turner have other offers? Are we so craven that we cannot believe he would have not re-signed for 30% of that? And be paid 20 times at 30% what a teacher gets paid? It’s just stupid.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Ok, genius. Do you even know what EXACTLY was offered by Milwaukee and other teams? I’m sure Turner leveraged those offers and ultimately wanted to come back to the Dodgers. That said it’s his last chance at free agency and he has plenty of incentives to maximize total dollars even if it means leaving the Dodgers. It’s a game of chicken. You have to play the game. Turner played it well and there was enough demand for him to hold out this long and get a hood two year deal. His deal is not too far off where I think most of us would have thought he would sign at. Probably a few millions higher but if you thought much lower you were probably too low to begin with. You can’t go short term and be cheap and expect free agents to sign, especially if there is a market for that player. Need to be realistic or risk losing that player.
Dodgers evaluated other options but honestly there were flaws to other options. They didn’t want to give up major prospects so that killed off some of the trade scenarios and didn’t want to go too long on contract term. Didn’t want to go with inexperienced players either.
Joe Ferguson
Teachers aren’t nearly as valuable. If they were they would be making millions of dollars a year. Anyone with average intelligence can teach. Very few can do what JT can.
Shrutefarm
Who says cheaters never prosper?
Swing change, my A@s!
Marty McRae
youre too stupid to understand baseball, stick to hockey and your PEDs
goalieguy41
Welcome back Poptart
Besbol
Dodger baseball – we love signing talent past their prime for idiotic amounts of money.
Red haired overrated loser
Stop Giving Billionaires Money
Take a deep breath and calm down.
It’s only baseball
Cap & Crunch
Great post Bud !!! Big market fan and agree 100%
Hate your screen name/loved the post tho !
Good point on the edge dissipating for teams like Cle Oak etc etc …it will….then what ya know/ You Know?
Bjoe
Ridiculous overpay
Greatness
*Sniff Sniff* What’s that smell? Why, I believe it smells like poor! Someone give this poor, little market fan a bath and a loaf of bread! Wow. It is so obvious you are jealous of the Dodgers and their success. Are you mad? What makes you mad about them? Could it be that they win the division every year and makes the postseason-while your team doesn’t? Or is it that they’ve made 3 of the last 4 WS, with the last culminating in a win? Is it the fact they’re the best team in baseball? Maybe it’s the fact that their organization is well run, with the best GM in MLB, with a top 10 farm system, and can afford to keep their homegrown stars? Or, maybe, just maybe, you know it’s because the Dodgers will keep winning while your small market franchise doesn’t do anything? Take a look in the mirror and realize that you only have yourself to blame for supporting owners that don’t give two ***** about winning. You never get anywhere by blaming others for your own problem’s. And that’s what this is. A poor man’s problem. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to go watch the best team in baseball with a ownership that’s actually dedicated to winning go out and win many more rings this decade. You only have yourself to blame for supporting that franchise. I didn’t have a choice of not being a Dodger fan-my parents are fans-so by extension, I am. But I’m glad I can support a franchise that loves to win, cares about their fans, their players, and doesn’t have to worry about money.
Greatness
Exactly. That fool tried to attack me too, but I shut his *** the **** back down. Every franchise is worth at least 900M. But yet, they can’t afford to put out a competitive team? Bull****. The Dodgers are very fortunate to have a ownership that gives a damn about winning and cares about their fans. They can take my money any time to put a good team on the field. And at least Friedman is a master at drafting stars-despite picking 28th or 29th every year. Time to go support our team even more-I’m going to buy a new Dodgers cap and keychain.
Mendoza Line 215
Littleness-That should be your real “screen name”!
I see I have touched a raw nerve .Thirty two years was a long time for the “best team” in baseball,wasn’t it?
There are a number of posters on this thread who are Dodger fans who understand the economics of MLB.They understand that small market teams cannot afford to have starting pitcher aces three deep like the Natih(onals do,two of which were free agents.I don’t comment on the Dodgers too much,but the few posters that I see here are often quite reasonable.I congratulate them on their title.
You ,on the other hand,are just plain stupid.
I can see now how Giants and Padres fans can hate moron homers like you.You win one title and think that you are “greatness”.Get a life,and get out of your parent’s basement.
Go out and get your Dodger beads and parade around in them like a ten year old should.
Any discourse on any subject of any substance is way over your head.
Greatness
First off, I notice you didn’t deny that your team sucks, your life is worth ****, and the owners of the franchise you root for are full of ****. You also didn’t deny you were an idiot. To quote your phrase “It is better to be thought an idiot than to speak and remove all doubt.” That’s your issue-either way you slice it-you’re still an idiot. Glad to know you realize you’re an idiot. Now I don’t have to take you seriously. I wonder why that is? Maybe because it’s true? Glad you know how to acknowledge your faults. And, no, you didn’t touch a nerve. I did, however, revel in the fact you keep giving free passes to discredit you and letting me have fun destroying you. If you know how to read(that must be a stretch for you), I said they were the best team in baseball the last few years. Just being the best team doesn’t guarantee you a title-like all real MLB fans know. It can, however, guarantee you a chance to get to the postseason and prove it-which is what the Dodgers finally did last year. And they will do it for many years to come. And if you don’t comment that much on the Dodgers-why are you even here? What does this have to do with you? Will this affect your life that much? Is it because we live in your head rent free-like I do? And Homer is a bad comparison. Homer is the luckiest man in the world despite his faults. *Smiles* But I’ll take that as a compliment. *Smile grows bigger* I’ve also had the title of Greatness since middle school-about 6-7 years ago. *Smile turns into full blown smirk* How long has your life been at the Mendoza line? Is it when your parents should have aborted you? *Smirk turns mocking* Is that when? Or is it when we owned the other 29 teams in baseball last year? *Starts sneering* Despite your pathetic and futile attempts to insinuate the Dodgers are big spenders-and it’s not fair to the other field-it’s not our fault our team is better than yours. Next you’re going to complain life isn’t fair. Your whole argument is it’s not fair rich teams like the Dodgers can afford great players while teams like the Indians and Pirates are poor and can’t afford anyone. They still have a chance to win just like everyone else. I’m going to be real with you-if you can understand that instead of the fantasy world you live in-The poorest team in MLB is worth 980M. Those owners can afford players. Cut the bull****. Friedman is a great exec and deserves to be praised for how he handles the FO. He’s the reason the team is now so great. A top farm system and a top payroll. It’s not fair-but what is? The Dodgers play in the 2nd biggest and richest city in the country-both which seems to have went out one ear and out the other with you? Again, get used to us winning-you’ll see a lot of more of us celebrating. You also mentioned the Padres. The Padres are a losing team that didn’t make the playoffs until 14 years after they last went-and couldn’t get anything done once they got there. And take a look on Wikipedia and see how many rings they have. Using them as an argument makes yours irrelevant. And you claim I’m stupid? Looking at your comments-do you know how to spell? I think you meant to say “Nationals”, not Natih. Why don’t you fix your grammar and spelling while you’re changing the rest of your 2nd place life? And I thoroughly intend to celebrate once COVID-19 gets under control. Like the great Tommy Lasorda said “We’ll be dancing in the streets.” Do you want Dodger beads? I can buy you some-since you obviously can’t afford some-you poor little market fan. And to quote my favorite character in TV, Eric Cartman-“Let me lick your tears!” “Mmm, your tears are so yummy!” Go spout your bull**** somewhere else, Karen. You’ll never know what it feels like to win as long as we’re around. But, when we win again-I’ll make to sure take note of this comment-and I’ll even buy you a Dodgers Jersey of your choice. Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have a great franchise to root for. You continue jacking off in the corner, Mendoza Line 215. And I know that’s you, Chris Davis. You done hiding under your burner account? C’mon, you’re a big boy! You don’t have to hide like the below Mendoza line hitter you are.
Mendoza Line 215
Your highness the littleness.
Thank you for the extremely long rant.
Believe it or not,I did wade through some of it.
It seems that I struck a nerve even though you won’t admit it from the basement.
I assure you that I will no longer lower myself to your baseless crudeness.I am comfortable that you have shown your true colors.
The Word Nationals was not corrected because the pop up ads cause problems.
You on the other hand did not learn last year in second grade how to put your words into paragraphs.
You are not an idiot nor a moron.
You are one sick pup.