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Central Notes: Ross, Cubs, Twins, Martin

By Sean Bavazzano | December 23, 2021 at 2:28pm CDT

In a piece for The Chicago Tribune, Meghan Montemurro recaps David Ross’s first full season managing the Cubs. The turbulent season saw Ross’s Cubs cruise through the early months before a midseason collapse led to a July fire sale. The skipper notes that he was prepared for the club to eventually retool with younger players, but that even he was surprised by the exodus of Cubs veterans on July 31. Ross quipped “I don’t think in my mind I ever thought it was going to be one day,” referencing how the retooling effort was seemingly confined to a single day. The leaner club finished with a 71-91 record and a fourth place finish, a far cry from the team’s first place performance in 2020. Still, Ross relishes the chance to grow as a manager now that Anthony Rizzo, Kris Bryant, and Javier Baez likely won’t be holding down the fort with him. The manager’s open-mindedness, combined with his year one success, is part of why Montemurro reminds that Ross is likely to maintain control of the dugout for some time. Ross is guaranteed to be the Cubs manager through 2022, with a 2023 club option, but there is mutual interest in extending those terms. With some contention-minded moves already made, a David Ross extension would be another sign the club is looking to make the playoffs with a new core in place.

Some more from baseball’s central divisions…

  • The Cubs are ramping up their efforts to develop homegrown pitching reports Sahadev Sharma and Patrick Mooney of The Athletic. The organization was hit with a number of pitching injuries in the minor leagues, with most of the team’s best pitching prospects sidelined at some point this year after last year’s cancelled minor league season. President Jed Hoyer is reluctant to attribute these injuries to increased workloads however, acknowledging that there are a number of ways the organization can help its players better stay on track. To that end, the Chicago organization has hired former MLB pitchers Craig Breslow, Daniel Moskos, and Danny Hultzen to further develop the game plans used by young pitchers as they come up through the system. Under Vice President of Pitching Breslow’s watch, the Cubs pipeline has already started showing improvement. Despite the swath of recent injuries, many of the players who were healthy enough to pitch this past season found improved velocity under the new pitching regime. More work will need to be done before any young player can be fast-tracked to the Majors, but the authors note that any homegrown Cub who breaks through to the big leagues as a pitching fixture will be the first to do so since Jeff Samardzija debuted in 2008.
  • Hopping to the AL Central, where the Twins are dealing with a rare prospect surplus on the heels of their Byron Buxton extension. Writing for The Athletic, Dan Hayes and Aaron Gleeman discuss whether top shortstop/center field prospect Austin Martin can be flipped to acquire a pitcher that will help a Twins rotation short on experience. It would be a short stay in the Minnesota system for Martin, a top-30 prospect who was just acquired in July’s Jose Berrios deal, if he’s dealt. Hayes reasons that the Twins have a dire need for pitching, and speculates that acquiring Luis Castillo or Tyler Mahle of the Reds, or Frankie Montas of the A’s would provide a more immediate benefit to a team looking to contend. Neither writer is convinced Martin should be traded, considering the two players ahead of him on the depth chart (Buxton in center field and top-30 prospect Royce Lewis at shortstop) are hardly locks to stay healthy or productive. Still, with the Twins surprising inactivity in the free agent pitching market, both writers agree a lot of work needs to be done to have the pitching staff match a strong position player group.
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  1. JerryBird

    3 years ago

    Personally, I suspect the Cubs had something to do with that mid-season slump in order to justify a fire sale. Not sure what, but the whole thing was painfully coincidental.

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    • Franco27

      3 years ago

      Lol, come on now. Or maybe they had played way better up to that point, than they actually were. Starting pitching was awful, not much offense. I thought it was amazing that Ross had that team in 1st place on June 1.

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      • theo2016

        3 years ago

        Their bullpen was crazy good before the break. Kimbrel, chafin, tepera didn’t allow a run for like all of may. That’s how they were winning.

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        • rememberthecoop

          3 years ago

          Actually it was prior to the sticky stuff crackdown. Chafin was good the entire time he was with the Cubs.

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    • rememberthecoop

      3 years ago

      And George Bush knew about 9/11. Crazy conspiracy theories abound.

      3
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      • baseballpun

        3 years ago

        Nobody’s ever accused George Bush of knowing about anything.

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        • PeteWard8

          3 years ago

          Before 9/11 Bush was picking fights with
          Syria North Korea and Iran.
          Bush knew exactly what he was doing.

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        • Dogbone

          3 years ago

          Sure Pete! Then t rump comes and N Korea becomes his, ‘main man’ and best buddy. Explain that.

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        • PeteWard8

          3 years ago

          Trump was hound doggin’ Kim’s sister.
          That’s all that was.

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        • dpsmith22

          3 years ago

          yea and it was Bush’s fault Katrina trashed Louisiana…

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        • Dogbone

          3 years ago

          Bush wasn’t smart enough to find Louisiana on a map.

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        • rememberthecoop

          3 years ago

          haha

          Reply
        • dpsmith22

          3 years ago

          lol he is smart enough to have more money transfer from his keep the change app, then you have in your account.

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        • bobtillman

          3 years ago

          Nah, we all know it was the Haliburton Hurricane Machine.

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        • mfm4200

          3 years ago

          “you know how you can tell bush had knowledge about 9/11 is nonsense? because it has bush and knowledge in the same sentence!!”

          bill maher

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    • johnrealtime

      3 years ago

      So the players played poorly to help the team lose, why? That only hurts their careers

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    • PeteWard8

      3 years ago

      Contreras said out loud that him and Baez were the only players who were trying hard.

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    • LSH99

      3 years ago

      Anybody who has paid any attention to the Cubs knew that they were planning to retool this year rather than re-sign that core. Bryant was never going to be re-signed, and Baez and Rizzo were given offers that everybody knew they wouldn’t take. As soon as Darvish was moved in the offseason, the rest of the script was written. The losing streak just made it all easier for Hoyer and Ricketts to justify to fans. Contreras will definitely be the next to go.

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      • Dorothy_Mantooth

        3 years ago

        Bryant has to be kicking himself for not taking the early extension offer the Cubs made to him after his MVP season. I don’t see Bryant getting an offer over $150M total this offseason and it could be quite lower than this.

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      • rondon

        3 years ago

        Contreras is a far cry from “definitely the next to go”. There’s no financial reason for not signing him now and I think the only way he leaves is if Hoyer is blown away by an offer.

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        • LSH99

          3 years ago

          He may not go, but he’s an extremely valuable trade piece, and the Cubs have young catching talent in the minors. If you think it’s far fetched that he would be moved next, after everything else they’ve done in the last year and a half, I don’t know what to tell you.

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      • dsett75

        3 years ago

        I agree, LSH. And not only what you said, but everyone knew when they never even really got close to giving any of them an extension with 2 seasons to go, that they were gone. And probably gone before FA. Which they were, of course. Seems like anytime a player gets an extension, it’s with two years left on his current deal usually. Once they get to their last year, they’re mostly likely going to be dealt.

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        • LSH99

          3 years ago

          Spot on, dsett…This isn’t complicated. And we don’t even need to bring up the Yan Gomes signing, do we?

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    • anthonyd4412

      3 years ago

      Take that tin foil off your head.

      Reply
  2. rememberthecoop

    3 years ago

    As a Cubs fan who watches the games, I was not impressed by Rossy as a manager at all. His handling of the pitching staff left a lot to be desired. Of course, that’s the downfall of many managers. He was also reluctant to ever criticize or create consequences for players who did stupid things on the field or in the clubhouse. Maybe not having the guys he won with as a player may be a good thing.

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    • rocky7

      3 years ago

      Funny, but the theory that catchers, automatically make potentially great managers, especially when they have no experience actually coaching on any level probably has many holes in it…..and I believe you can count Ross in that category…..Dancing with the Stars, nor just yesterday being “one of the guys” does not automatically give you the experience necessary to managing a ball club

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    • dpsmith22

      3 years ago

      Hard to manage friends. I guess he found that out.

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  3. someoldguy

    3 years ago

    The Twins are rebuilding…no matter what they say.. that have zero proven starters.. as Bundy is a question mark… and the rest have no real innings… the question isn’t should they trade for pitching its what kind of pitching they should be trading for.. since they will not be considered as tru contenders .. they need young top line starters… and should be willing to trade everyone else to get them… the trade of Frankie for a younger starters/relievers: Rick Aguilera, Kevin Tapani, David West, Tim Drummond, and a player to be named later (PTBNL) : was probably the last smart move the Twins FO has made..

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    • Dorothy_Mantooth

      3 years ago

      The Twins and the Marlins line up very nicely for a trade this offseason. Not only could Minnesota trade Austin Martin for one of the Marlins young starters, they also have some veteran players (like Kepler) that could be of interest in Miami. Not sure if Miami would be willing to give up two young starters but there’s definitely a deal to be made if they are willing to do so.

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    • kleppy12

      3 years ago

      Yeah that AJ Pierzynski trade clearly didn’t work out or the Polanco extension, or signing Nelso Cruz or…. OK I’ll stop but the point is you’re wrong.

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      • someoldguy

        3 years ago

        and the end result was… no championships.. and a lot of years of losing teams…

        Reply
  4. AlienBob

    3 years ago

    The M’s should offer Emerson Hancock for Austin Martin since they have a bunch of pitching prospects and are thin on the infield and in CF.

    Reply
  5. masisk33

    3 years ago

    Yes, the Twins are rebuilding. And IMO they should look to flip their major league talent (Kepler, Donaldson, and/or Polanco) to fill out their rotation. Austin Martin has proven he will be a high-OB% player, so I would REALLY like to see him in Minnesota to start his big-league career.

    Kepler’s contract gives him some value, whereas his production has really hurt his value since the ball was de-juiced.

    Donaldson does not provide enough “locker room leadership” to overlook his myriad health problems and yuge contract. If some team is willing to bite on him for pitching prospects in return, it’s a no-brainer for the Twins in their current situation.

    Polanco has the most trade value (obviously), coming off a fantastic year offensively. His contract is looking pretty team friendly for opposing GM’s. He may be able to bring an arm or two that could actually help in 2022.

    NICK GORDON, along with the Twins’ top prospects (Lewis & Martin) could easily fill in the holes created by trading one or all three of these guys.

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    • Samuel

      3 years ago

      “De-juiced” baseball?

      @ masisk33;

      LOL

      Great label and better observation.

      Was just 2019 when the Twins set the MLB record for team HR’s. Teams like them, the Yankees and others that lived off routine fly balls becoming HR’s, have been scrabbling around trying to figure out how to compete without it.

      An article referenced here a month or so ago stated that the Twins FO wants to rebuild, but the owner wants to compete in 2022. Of course they can’t.

      Am sorry for the Twins fans that were so patient weathering the last rebuild.

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      • dpsmith22

        3 years ago

        I am not sorry about anything related to Minnesota. Having a criminal’s name on your right-field wall kinda beings out feelings like that

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        • bigben

          3 years ago

          We should kill everyone in jail with illegal use of force just because right?

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        • vikefansbc

          3 years ago

          I never noticed a trump sign on the wall.

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  6. theo2016

    3 years ago

    The twins knew they would need pitching when they made the trade. They seem to be relying on the fact they have like 7 starters in dbl a or above in their top 15 prospects. Probably trying to see what works outta that, maybe sign a veteran like archer.

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  7. masisk33

    3 years ago

    Hey Minnesota Twins! Want to win in 2022 and beyond?

    1. Trade Kepler/Donaldson/Polanco for as much high-potential pitching as possible.

    2. Keep all your prospects.

    3. Sign Nelson Cruz to a 1-yr deal after the lockout.

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    • seamaholic 2

      3 years ago

      Only Polanco gets you anything of value.

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    • someoldguy

      3 years ago

      those big bat no defense outfield prospects can all go… Sayno too.. he is nothing but a DH.. and that K rate is a rally killer and game loser.. .. wouldn’t hurt to trade a catcher.. .. how about the sell the team to some real baseball lover… and we get something for target field ..

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  8. AshamedMethGoat

    3 years ago

    Cubs were a nice story…in 2016. Now back to the closet of mediocrity for another 103 years!

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  9. Yep it is

    3 years ago

    Agree , I don’t see signing 1 starter as making progress towards contending with a bunch of prospects you don’t know how many will pan out. You didn’t win with a team loaded of talent after 16 and were too cheap to make additions to help that core out. This is the Twins 2.0 method

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  10. StudWinfield

    3 years ago

    At least Kotsay will have someone to talk to when all the talent on his roster is traded at mid season in 2022.

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  11. Champs64

    3 years ago

    Vice President of pitching. Lol. What’s next? I think you can have too much staff talking to these young pitchers.

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    • bobtillman

      3 years ago

      Executive Director of athletic supporters?

      (Be a great job for Mark DeRosa).

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  12. twinky

    3 years ago

    The Bush’s we’re behind the inside attack of 9/11/2001. I’m saying that as a Republican

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    • whyhayzee

      3 years ago

      You were behind the bushes? Huh.

      Reply
  13. Logjammer D"Baggagecling

    3 years ago

    They need at least one more pitcher. Wade Miley and Marcus Stroman are good improvements but they can’t rely on those two and Hendricks all year. Keegan Thompson is promising but not 100% reliable. After that. Work on extending Contreras.

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    • Dogbone

      3 years ago

      IMHO, they also have Steele, Adzoley along with Thompson – and Kilian whom they got from the Giants as potential starters. I’d like to see the Cubs pick up a couple relievers and another left handed bat.

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      • anthonyd4412

        3 years ago

        And Jordan Wicks

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  14. holecamels35

    3 years ago

    Why would the Twins trade young prospects for pitching when they literally traded a young solid pitcher for said prospects? It makes no sense. Either bring in a guy that costs very little or young prospect arms for some of their MLB guys.

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    • Dorothy_Mantooth

      3 years ago

      They traded Berrios because they couldn’t come to an agreement on an extension with him. He wanted too much money (in the Twins eyes) so the Twins decided to sell high on him. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them use Martin in a deal to get more pitching.

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  15. brucenewton

    3 years ago

    All the injuries to minor league starting pitchers shouldn’t be a surprise I guess. A lot of them didn’t pitch much or at all for a year and a half. Then they turned them loose last April with nary an innings limit.

    Reply
  16. LarryBiitnersGhost

    3 years ago

    Wish the Cubs would have signed Buxton

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