1:16PM: The Giants and Rangers are also involved in Heaney’s market, Heyman tweets.
12:23AM: Free agent starter Andrew Heaney has multiple three-year offers on the table, but is looking for a contract that adds a fourth year, according to Jon Heyman of the New York Post. The only known team to have made an offer thus far is a previously reported offer from the Blue Jays, per SportsNet’s Ben Nicholson-Smith, although it’s not known if that was a three-year deal.
Heaney has been drawing widespread interest in free agency with as many as ten teams showing interest, including the incumbent Dodgers (via Fabian Ardaya of The Athletic), aforementioned Blue Jays, as well as the Mets, Red Sox and others.
Although shoulder issues limited the left hander’s participation in the Dodgers’ season, he was very impressive when he did make it onto the mound, tossing 75 innings of 3.10 ERA ball. A new slider allowed him to punch out batters at a staggering 35.5% rate while walking them just 6.1% of the time. The long ball was still an issue, but there’s plenty there to suggest Heaney can be an incredibly effective starting pitcher moving forward, and clearly a number of major league teams think the same.
MLBTR predicted a three-year, $42MM deal for Heaney, and it’s probably not surprising that it appears teams are a bit hesitant to stretch to a fourth year. As mentioned, he missed three months this season with shoulder problems, while he’s also undergone Tommy John surgery in 2016 and landed on the IL twice in 2018 and ’19 with elbow inflammation.
There’s certainly some question marks over Heaney’s durability, as well as how his newfound success during ’22 with the Dodgers would translate to a new team, but a full season’s worth of Heaney’s output this year would give a new team a dominant, top-of-the-rotation arm, so there’s enormous upside there for teams as well.
Greedy , but hey go for it lol
Being so injury prone, I bet he does want to maximize the years. He has nothing to lose by testing the market. Worst case he settles for the 3 once the smoke clears.
4th Year Option that vests based on # of innings pitched in year 3.
Another legend in his own mind, ugh…
We’re going to see $25 hot dogs and $40 for a beer before too long.
Damn near there aren’t we? I spent $60 for 4 beers at a spring training game! Wasn’t even draught! It was cans!
2 beers and 2 kielbasa sandwiches- $58.00 at CBP in September.
That’s an insult! After all isn’t lielbasa the other red meat? Serve it with cabbage & you’ll need more than 2 beers to clean that off the seat!
It is absolutely bonkers that Heaney is getting 3-4 year offers for $14M AAV…. but I guess if someone was willing to give him $42M over 3 years and found out everybody else was, too, they might decide to tip the scales to get a pitcher in this market and go to 4 years/$60M for Heaney- well, more likely something like 4 years/$55M to 4 years/$58M….. maybe 5 years/$60M? Keep the AAV on the lower end and stretch it by a year- does $1M a year really matter even at this level?
Jays should spend the monies on Bassitt instead of Heaney, Deal with a pitcher who can pitch, pitches just behind Manoah, than Berrios moves to the 4th pitcher.
Jays than trade Moreno + Garcia + Biggio for Varsho or for Bryan Reynolds. Prefer Varsho to Reynolds. Varsho becomes 3rd Catcher-20 games and starting CF for 100 games and RF 30 games. Thus allowing Springer to play 100 games in Right field and 40 games at DH.
Kirk Catches 65 games and DH 70 games; Jansen catches 80 games. Jays final play is to sign Kiermaier as 4th OF.2/12 Million.
I don’t think you should ever go into a season with a plan for a guy to catch 20 games. Looks great on paper, but not in reality. It would be a brutal 20 games. Unless he was working as one pitcher’s personal catcher, and even then it would be tough. Catching isn’t a part time job for a reason.
Also, I don’t think the Snakes are moving Varsho.
Alek Thomas is probably Arizona’s first choice to move, followed by Jake McCarthy. And I doubt they’re antsy to move McCarthy.
Logical, but you’re asking for a lot of things to happen that probably have a low percentage of actually coming to fruition.
Yeah dawg you ain’t making it out the hood with that trade package
Baseball is incredibly mind boggling at times. Andrew Heaney has three year offers. Wants four. Lol I swear it’s not more than a year ago watching him pitch I’m thinking. , how does this guy stay in the bigs. ? 70 innings later lol here we are.
The problem with baseball is it’s a microcosm of society, imo. You get mediocre players that see top-tier players getting more – more money, more years, more offers, and they want it too.
Always dealt with people like this throughout my life/profession. I called them Me Toos. Everything everyone else got they would say, “What about me?! I deserve it! Me too!”
It’s the markets fault. The market is the ultimate self-correction tool; so if he gets four years it’s because a team/owner pays it.
Why is your tag yankee clipper but yet your profile pic is the Yankee skipper lol? I’m pretty much joking with you, but isn’t the Yankee clipper Joe D? Why not have him as your profile pic to match the namesake? Not a roast at all, just genuinely curious.
Lyman: You are correct, sir! It’s actually a running joke with my friends on the boards here, because I despise Boone’s management of the Yankees. So, just prior to Boone getting an extension I committed to this goofy profile pic of him. I will change it when he’s finally gone (if I can tolerate it that long).
Clipper what do you think of the Yankees prize so far this off season in a Cashman extension?
World Series winning move, my friend. Heard he played RF a bit back in the day too!
Well said Clipper! The youngsters don’t want to earn what they get and they have a distorted self view of what they are worth in the marketplace. It’s the “effort trophy” generation.
As much as I like Heaney as a person from his Angels days, his pitching history does not warrant a 4 year deal yet. He should get a one, maybe two year “prove yourself” deal to show he is healthy and he can sustain what he did during a short window this year. But you’re right, some team desperate for pitching will give it to him and it will justify his warped view of his value as a pitcher.
The Hen dog is injury prone
Hey man great minds think alike. I used to call them future members of the band the Me Toos and the Gimme Gimme’s. People thinking they deserve to be handed exactly what the hardest workers get by earning it.
I feel the exact same way. When the Yankees picked him up, he felt like a borderline major leaguer that clubs plugged into their bullpen or rotation just to have someone there who technically pitches at a professional level while they make actual decisions about their rotation or their bullpen etc. for the future or wait for their actual pitcher to get back from injury, etc. and that the premium on pitching and him accruing service time got him to that $6.75M salary pre free agency and then that $8.5M deal from the Dodgers happened, which was nuts. Just insane overpay for him…and now he’s converted 72 innings…. into a potential $14M a year AAV over 3-4 years and he thinks he can get more than that and someone will do it just to get…Andrew Heaney.
What is going on right now with this market?
Remember the money comes from the paying public. Keep watching and paying the cable and streaming , the sweaters and caps , $20 beers , $50 parking , tickets , buy the advertisers products , and the players get half.
Nobody gets paid with money that isn’t generated from revenues MLB accrues.
All fair
As they should.
Edp: Yes, you are exactly right. If not for the viewing public, like us, who spend exorbitant amounts of money on sports annually ($12 Billion on MLB in 2022), this money doesn’t exist. It’s one reason I don’t agree with a cap and don’t necessarily feel for the owners who keep shelling out these insane contracts – Judge to follow probably tomorrow.
But honestly, T Turner is one of my favorite players to watch. But did we really think he would be landing anywhere near 11-years, $300MM prior to this year? The somewhat surprising part is that revenues are increasing so quickly that Turner’s contract will look relatively mild in 6 years.
Oh I know. I also know that in most leagues players are arguably underpaid relative to the revenue and profits- whether it’s the MLB, the NBA, etc. so these salaries, crazy as they may seem at first, are more likely the pay is catching up with what’s fair than actual bloating.
Exactly
Edp007,
Always appreciate a good rant, but who exactly owns an MLB sweater? Tis the season i guess
Lol Jersey. Got that hockey lingo creeping in. Apologies lol
Our society in general spends an absorbent amount of money on entertainment. It distracts us from how fragile life is. If we wanted to, we could take the money we spend entertaining ourselves to solve poverty and homelessness. But we prioritize entertainment because it’s what keeps us distracted from the harsh reality that we’re all vulnerable to death every day that we live.
On a baseball note, it’s almost certain that the Phills will come to regret this. That is unless they bring home a WS title.
I think you mean exorbitant. I think the point is distraction. That’s not always a bad thing.
So true, Lyman, and not much different (conceptually) from the games in the Roman Empire. It’s an escape, a passion, and a distraction. Life, however, is very fragile; people are most important; we should do better as a society to re-prioritize.
I hear the brawny lumberjack makes absorbent amounts of money too
Chad Sexington???
Lyman, excellent observation and comment. I feel the same.
Indeed
especially with only ONE good year lol…out of how many. what a goof.
A full year’s production is about what to expect across a three year deal.
It is maddening because he’s such a nice guy, but he’s hurt and inconsistent. Just never reaches his potential.
haha!
Whoever taught him his new cutter deserves 30% of the deal.
Bingo. They did the work and I’m guessing he has lots of impressive before and after data to back it up. Deserves everything he gets. Minus 30%.
The numbers just get more and more insane! Not sure what to think of him possibly going to the Jays. On one hand, he was striking out players at a remarkable rate,his walks r also very low..but when players got there pitch..they hit him extremely hard! His savant says that he is either top notch in most categories(94%+++), while in 2 or 3 categories, he is one of the worst, if not the worst in getting hit hard at the top 1-3%. Could be great..or awful.
Getting hit hard in AL East parks is a recipe for disaster. Hope the Jays look somewhere else for pitching.
5 years 100 mil here we come
I’m going 6-$150 to the Rangers. Love the new pic, Trumbo!
Thanks Clip I think it’s a keeper for a while. 2 of my all time favorites! Yeah after what I have seen today, 6/150 to the Rangers seems par for the course.
And Judge getting closer and closer to 10/400
I predicted 440/11 so I’m with ya, makes Ohtani like 750/10 ?
007, No, Arte is going to hand over ownership directly to Shohei. Shohei can pay himself as he sees fit!
Cashman co formed the Yankees have made several offers now to Judge. The starting point was $300MM, so I wouldn’t doubt if it’s upwards of $350MM. But $400MM? That legitimately puts Soto around $500MM when he goes to FA.
Soto will definitely hit 500 mil Clip. No doubt in my mind.
Probably 12/500 for Soto
Soto better hit over 240 , drive in a few runs , and try to catch some fly balls hit his way or he’s the next Cody Bellinger
You’re right. That’s $500 million for a DH. You can play him in the field, but why would you? More craziness.
He should just re-sign with the dodgers cuz clearly they figured something out with him. Anyone else will regret it after half a season
Johnny, he is Mr. “Have Cutter Will Travel” now. All he needs is his newfound pitch. And to keep the ball low…
Guys like Stripling must be asking for 5/125 lol the bargain bin 25 mill aav
Hahahahahahahha Seriously this is all so crazy
Yeah, remember all the way back in 2022 when a flier was like $5-$8MM? Now it’s going to be, “Well it was worth the flier, he only cost us $25MM this year”
I guess the silver lining is now the AAVs for Donaldson and Hicks look far less ominous?
Hahahahahahaha Yeah Clip this is getting comical. Did anyone on this planet see Trea getting an 11 year contract?? Anyone?!??!!!
The QO is going to go to like $30MM
And be rejected by all but 1 or 2 players…
New QO by 2024 will be 2 years 70 mil Clip
Jesus I forgot about Stripling and he was our #2 last year basically
Guess Jays have no shot at him now considering going rate for a good SP is like 25 mill over 5 years
stripling won’t get paid like that. throws low 90s and doesn’t miss bats. worst profile to get paid for a pitcher. great bargain for a smart gm but analytics say avoid, avoid.
I would rather have Tyler Anderson than Andrew Heaney on a three year deal.
Damn if Heaney gets that much the Angels got a freaking steal on Tyler Anderson
Tyler Anderson is similar to R. stripling comment above
This market right now is turning nuts. Needs to level out a little
Wait till we get to soccer salaries soon. Salary Kylian Mbappé
Footballer – Paris Saint-Germain F.C. – France
Born: 1998 France
Annual: $172,333,519.00
Monthly: $14,361,126.58
Weekly: $3,314,106.13
Daily: $662,821.23
007, I can’t laugh anymore tonight it’s starting to hurt!!! “Born 1998” hahahahaha
Ronaldo says “Hold my beer”
That’s 2022. This guy just resigned three year extension last month. Usd 667/3 thru 2025. 222 usd mill per season. Highest soccer salary. Holy cow
I really hope Correa or his agent doesn’t see your post. He will want to double it.
What. MBAPPE IS GETTING 172 MILLION FOR 1 YEAR
NO. im drunk or stupid or both. I’m not reading that properly. Doesn’t he play for Everton or someone crappy in the Premier league, he isn’t even Messi
Is Messi making a billion?
Mbappe just signed three year extension 2023-2025 547 million pounds. You can do the conversion. Usd 667 approx 222 per season. A raise from 2022 salary. 172 mill usd Plays Paris St Germain Club owned by Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, the Emir of Qatar lol
What has this guy ever done to deserve even a 3 year contract, much less 4 years?
Roob, he learned to place his index and middle finger on the left side of a 2 seam grip and stay low!
he has tremendous stuff and has the ability to make major league hitters swing and miss like only a couple guys in the world. that’s what gets a pitcher paid in the age of analytics
76, yeah a new nasty pitch can be a game changer for a pitcher. Just ask R.A. Dickey! Knucklers aside though….A cutter/slider/2 seamer thrown right is almost unhittable if it works. I learned too late to throw one…Should be taught more in little league because it doesn’t put wear and tear on an arm like the curve.
Buyer beware.
The NLE is developing nicely though. Lots of competition going up there. It’s going to be awesome next year with the Phillies/Mets/Braves gunning for a championship!
Someone will pay him and he is a good starting pitcher when he is healthy, however, some teams in the league tend to be trending away from investing in pitchers like him.
Instead, I see a growing use of arbitration controlled middle relievers who work multiple innings and get outs at a huge discount to the team ( Michael King, Andre Pallante, and pretty much the whole Tampa Bay Rays).
Baseball still has plenty of homes for guys like Heaney, but many teams are pressing their Analytics to the extreme so they don’t take on the potential risk on the Heaney’s of the world.
Career numbers: ERA+ 93, FIP – 4.38, WHIP – 1.245. Has only pitched more than 129 innings in a season once in his nine year career, and that was five years ago. And yet somehow he has multiple offers of 3 years. This is getting insane. Hope my Mets steer clear but I have a gut feeling they’re in the mix.
Him and TA came in with 1 yr flyers see how you do type a thing and walk out with multi yr deals. Neither was guaranteed to be in the rotation until injuries hit us hard. Incredible
Would love to see him Fenway. He would be Jose Lima out there giving up homers.
if the jays give this guy four god damn years after seeing their deals with Ryu and Kikuchi turn to crap, someone should lose their job.
He’s had one good half of a season. This contract will be bad by his 3rd start.
Atkins made the same mistake with Kikuchi. half a good season and backed up the brinks truck.
If I were him, I’d seek a 1-yr deal and try to maximize next year after a fully healthy and good year. Wanting a 4-year deal after a good half season shows a complete lack of confidence in his own ability to stay healthy and effective.
Good for Heaney. As a long time Angel fan, I hope he’s finally figured it out. With the Angels he was hot or cold, but those times he was hot – 7 innings, 2 hits, 11 K’s were so enticing that you’d tolerate the down times.
Also, when Heaney came up he invested in himself. Literally bet on his future earnings in some agency deal. So, a big payday for him would be a boon.
Hope he lands four years and hope he excels.
A 4-year minor league deal I assume.
Wow!!!!! To be a starting pitcher, let alone a lefty! This freakin guy & others just like him have won the pathetic & lucky award! now I read Rodon will get $30 million a year? Oh the stupidity of it all!! I guess statistics do lie!
The statistic that doesn’t lie? $11 billion in recurring revenue and growing.
Last season the players earned $4.1 billion so this season a huge outflow of cash is moving towards the players.
Its not going to stop either. At least not if the owners want labor peace in 4 years when the new CBA has to be negotiated.
” The Giants and Rangers are also involved in Heaney’s market”
2022-23’s most desperate teams strike again,
Seems like the pitching market is inflated with alot of teams gunning for arms… I honestly bet someone pulls a dumb dumb and he gets the 4th year
I am mad at you. Your show lied. Its 2022.
Where. Are. Our. Flying. Cars? Grrrrr
You will have to settle with poorly made electric vehicles for now – it doesn’t get better trust …
Just keep pushing the goal post, Heaney.
3 years/$42M offers? You can turn that into 4 years/$60M.
4 years/$60M offers? You can turn that into 4 years/$72M.
4 years/$72M offers? You can turn that into 5 years/$90M.
5 years/$90M offers? You can turn that into 6 year/$120M….
Etc…. I wonder how insane this will actually get….again I say….for Andrew Heaney.
Heaney is this year’s Patrick Corbin- and look how that contract has been working out.
This seems crazy. Even a contending team seems like it would be better served to sign a couple of Syndergaard/ Cueto types. Roll the dice that one of those shines on a 2 year deal. Chances are probably better than 4 years of Heaney.
Andrew Heaney >>> Martin Perez… if only they didn’t have that wait period for trading free agents, they could sign Heaney and dump Perez onto a desperate team for nothing.
75 days is now worth 4 years and $50 plus million. The owners must be flush with cash if they are spending like that.
Heaney to Rangers.