The status of the Mets’ agreement with Carlos Correa is the predominant story in MLB at the moment. Reports over the weekend emerged that New York had taken issue with something related to Correa’s right leg/ankle during his physical. There’s remained optimism the sides will be able to get a deal done, although it presented another twist in an unexpected saga for one of the offseason’s top free agents.
The Mets had jumped in to agree to terms with Correa on a 12-year, $315MM contract — pending the physical — within a day of the Giants pulling out of a 13-year, $350MM pact after their doctors reportedly took issue with something in the All-Star’s right leg. Correa underwent his physical with the Mets last Thursday; reports emerged Saturday afternoon that examination hadn’t gone completely smoothly.
With the holiday weekend, discussions between the Mets and Correa’s camp have apparently been somewhat on the back burner for the past couple days. Last night, Jon Heyman of the New York Post wrote that some other teams had touched base with the player’s representatives after word of the physical concerns trickled out. However, Heyman indicated Correa remained focused on the Mets as of last night, with dialogue between his camp and the New York organization more productive than it had been with San Francisco in the hours after the Giants expressed concern about Correa’s physical during their examination.
The Post’s Mike Puma provides additional context this evening, reporting that three-plus rival teams have been in touch with the Boras Corporation about Correa after the Mets expressed trepidation. Puma writes the 28-year-old would strongly prefer to join the Mets than go back into free agency after a second agreement fell apart but suggests Correa’s camp is not open to moving off the sides’ initial 12-year, $315MM price point.
Puma suggests it’s still likelier than not that Correa and the Mets work something out, with one source pegging the odds of him landing in Queens around 55%. Nevertheless, Correa’s reported unwillingness to alter the basic framework of the deal could prove a stumbling block depending on the extent of the Mets’ trepidation. Puma writes there’s some consideration being given to the possibility of including a provision that’d protect the Mets in the event Correa’s right leg proves problematic during the contract term.
That kind of provision is rare but not completely without precedent. As an example, fellow Boras Corporation client J.D. Martinez altered his deal with the Red Sox over the 2018-19 offseason after the team flagged a foot issue during his physical. The sides moved forward with their agreed-upon five-year, $110MM framework but included stipulations that would’ve allowed the Red Sox to opt out of the final two years of the contract in the event Martinez suffered another foot injury that resulted in a lengthy injured list stint (as reported by Evan Drellich, then of NBC Sports Boston). Martinez never suffered a serious injury and wound up playing out the five-year deal before hitting free agency again this winter.
Correa has never had an MLB injured list stint related to his right leg, which he fractured as a prospect back in 2014. The injury required surgery and ended his minor league season. He returned at the start of the following year and hasn’t missed any notable time because of the issue since then, though doctors for both the Giants and Mets have now identified something that gives them pause.
There figures to be more clarity on the matter over the coming days. It’s likely to remain the sport’s top story until the sides either finalize the deal or Correa’s camp decides to pivot back to free agency. Various reports continue to suggest the former outcome is probable, though far from certain.
Milwaukee-2208
Nobody really cares
CaptainJudge99
Forget about this taint; Mets!!!
Jaysfan1981
I think a lot of people care, it’s a rather unique and interesting story happening in real time over the holidays
Why did you click and comment?.
The site hates this secret being told but your hate still brings them eyeballs clicks comments etc.
Keep up the good work, don’t share the secret with your troll friends though
VegasMoved
“Why did you click and comment.”
Probably to say that nobody really cares.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
A careful CT scan will reveal an injury to your funny bone
slimray
i think he ment the conversations over correa are getting stale.which they are.that being said.all these mets fans that said,cohen was having a drink on the beach and told boras 315 million is ashtray money,sure ill pay it.thats not true.315 million is alot to any billionaire.so if cohen doesnt care about money, then why doesnt he just sign him and get this over with.i suppose the giants were right?im not a phils or braves fan,but it would be hilarious if the mets cant win the division again.
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
10 years, 9 years, 8 years, 7 years, 6 years, 5 years-go sign with the Twins…
longines64
Wonder how long it took for Cohen to make his first 315 million?
case
I don’t particularly care but am interested in how the business side of the sport works (is that still caring though?).
On a less macro level, not sure how many people care about a cheater maximizing his millions unless it affects them as a Mets fan or maybe a divisional rival.
CrikesAlready
Take ANYONE who had the honor of plates, rods or screws inserted…
The bone material around those things always degrade. Usually, it takes a long, long, long time.
Add weight lifting, regular exercise, watching his diet, Austin Allen hitting him with a slider, running out an infield hit. TONS OF STRESS.
Then there’s genetics.
Scott Boros is a snake, when the medical details escape, Boros might be criticized even more. The Mets may be stuck with him because of a technicality (talking about the deal before it is official)
websoulsurfer
The bone material around injury sites heals around the plates, rods, and screws. That is the reason they are put there.
If you cannot spell his name when it’s mentioned in the article, should you be commenting on it at all? Doesn’t that say that everything you say is suspect?
stymeedone
Verbal agreements mean nothing. Give a single MLB example if it does!
saluelthpops
So a spelling mistake means one can’t be trusted to have an opinion? I’ll trust the one who made an honest mistake over the d-bag any day.
saluelthpops
Dude, they really touched a nerve with you. Sheesh.
saluelthpops
If the offensive numbers don’t translate to other positions, then he is not a “generational talent.”
Robertowannabe
@websoulsurfer–Considering all of the problems my wife had with plates, rods, and screws in her leg, she can attest to the fact that not all bones will heal the same way and successfully heal and remain solid and stable forever.
Bill M
No
Robertowannabe
@Bill M–Yes, Had to have multiple surgeries because various issues. No surgical technique yields 100% the same results and success rates.
ScottBoras
I appreciate the kind words.
Tassix
You care to know the developing information in the article. You’re not emotionally invested in the final outcome..
slimray
totally agree case.
kje76
Generally, the way the verbals are done is that they agree to a contract *pending a physical*. If the physical shows a problem, then the team is not locked into the contract. Failed physicals happen a couple of times an offseason (generally not multiple times with the same player, admittedly).
TheMan 3
I don’t care either, Jaysfan1981
sue me
websoulsurfer
And yet here you are commenting, again and again and again and again on articles about Correa. Showing clearly that you care deeply about the subject. Trying to lie to others when the truth is crystal clear is foolish. Lying to yourself is worse.
Deadguy
Tell me how does it feel to feel like this, just like I do?
Mystery Team
I feel like that’s a song lyric.
Player to be named in the future 2
Peter Frampton
NYMetsFanatic
I care for many other reasons as well as the obvious one. This is a good situation for others outside the fan base to put their petty accusations aside and just see how Steve Cohen handles situations like these.
He’s not some obsessed little cigar-wielding dweeb like Boss Hog. He’s a down-to-earth genuine fan of the team who holds his promises to the fan base and the city to reestablish this team as a serious bona fide organization. He’s a very laid-back straightforward kind of man.
Forget about the money for a moment.
I truly believe that all the hate we get surrounding the team’s acquisitions these past few years is simply jealousy. But I really feel that it’s unfounded because we had been a weak organization for decades in what has been deemed a big market city, and have been through far more hardships than the Dodgers, Yankees, Astros and Cardinals combined. After all these years, we are finally being run by a human being who is selective of his acquisitions and wants to make sure that they’re all good fits as a person as well as a player. That speaks volumes for Cohen.
His relationships with the coaches and players are also indicative of his innate love for the team as well as the importance of nurturing and maintaining a cohesive and content clubhouse.
He already chose a team of coaches who he feels knows their jobs and how to do them, so to ever compare him to a George Steinbrenner type would be completely off base (no pun intended).
I hope that some of you who read this can understand better what is actually going on here in Queens. FA acquisitions are Steve Cohen’s only choice until the farms have been fortified with promising young talent. This is no different than what the Braves, Dodgers, Yankees and Astros have all done before us.
Steve Cohen is a very rare find these days and we’re happy to have him for all these reasons.
Mystery Team
How can a fan take an organization seriously when all they do is throw money at literally everyone? Steve Cohen is the exact reason billionaire fans should never buy teams they root for. It takes a special kind of stupid to give Carlos Correa a 12 or 13 year deal and for the AAVs being agreed upon. The guy is a slightly above average bat whose defense took a step back and who has injury concerns attached to him especially now. If you see that another team has raised concerns over a physical result and you instantly go out and negotiate a deal with him the way the Mets did well that’s stupid. I’m not saying Cohen is a stupid man because obviously he didn’t get where he is by being a moron but as far as running a baseball team he’s stupid.
VonPurpleHayes
There is nothing down to Earth about Steve Cohen. You paint him as this average joe, but he’s been a real life super villain for years before owning the Mets. He’s a very public figure with a track record of dubious behavior. In Cohen’s defense, I expect the same is true for many baseball team owners.
metslvt17
Exactly right. He made his goal clear- build a perennial contender by fortifying the minor league talent and pay free agents in the meantime to stay competitive and keep his prospects in the system by not trading for big major league talents. He will not spend like this forever. He won’t need to.
And its not like he’s just throwing money around blindly. He let Javier Baez walk, for example, because he was not a fit for this clubhouse, even after trading away a top prospect for mere months of Baez’s services. He’s spending money wisely. And I’m loving all of it.
VonPurpleHayes
James McCann is throwing around money blindly. We don’t know how smart Cohen is going to be yet. We don’t know how patient he’s going to be with young talent. The Correa move screams that he’s going to be throwing money at FA talent even when he doesn’t need it. It goes against the idea that he has a plan and will eventually reset. But to be fair, we don’t know yet. Time will tell.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
The Tigers are still making money off m of 1968
It’s can be considered a long term investment IF he creates a legendary team, he will.make money off of them for a long, long time….
S2
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Cohen_(businessman)#SE…
this is a straightforward person?
“very rare ”
hardly.
S2
why even have to take it seriously. just keep commenting here.
NYMetsFanatic
Hey Von Purple Philly Phan Hayes, the hatred for the Mets is strong with you! LOLOL Can you see the tear I’m squeezing for you and your phanaticals in one of the most impoverished cities in the country? Nope. You can’t.
SODOMOJO
Yeah, as much as it’s all annoying to me as a Mariners fan. If I was a Mets fan; I would love this guy.
He’s not a Snyder. He actually wants to win…..not just flex his spending muscles. He’s doing this because he genuinely thinks and hopes that it will lead to a championship.
Any fan who says they wouldn’t want Co as their owner; is either lying or uneducated.
What, you would prefer an owner who ISN’T willing to spend his money? Obviously, the large commitments are worrisome in a way; but it’s probably not ever a smart idea for a fan to complain about an owner spending money. THATS WHAT YOU WANT! Trust me. There are alternatives, and they aren’t nearly as shiny as Cohen.
GhostOfKevinElster
Milwaukee,
You know that’s a lie.
swinging wood
By “nobody” you actually mean “everybody” right?
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Everybody turns to look at a huge car wreck, you just can’t help it
Mystery Team
Especially multi-car wrecks like this one.
websoulsurfer
You care so much that you made sure you were 1st to comment. How does it feel to be not only poorly educated about baseball but an inveterate liar too?
JockStrap
You cared enough to post a comment.
quonset point
How quickly can Boras pivot again?
padam
He did reach out to the Guardians. I feel it happening.
poxo0791
PIVOT!!!!
dirkg
PIVAAAAT!!
padam
It’s certainly an overpay, but he can play SS if Lindor comes down with an injury (and get better defense), he’s a clutch hitter and good in the clubhouse. At $26M per, it’s not a bad average per year for Cohen, just the years are beyond sane.
WAR overrated... shows how bad is the replacement? Assigned by?
Please check these advanced statistics or metrics or cybermetrics. Pay special attention to FIELDING.
Lateral Towards 3b and 1B.
OAA
Dansby Swanson: 21
Francisco Lindor: 13
Jeremy Pena: 7
Xander Bogaerts: 5
Trea Turner: 0
Javier Baez: 1
Carlos Correa: -3
baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/outs_above_average?type=Fielder&startYear=2022&endYear=2022&split=no&team=&range=year&min=q&pos=6&roles=&viz=show
baseballsavant.mlb.com
LongTimeFan1
@WAR overrated
Your posting of OAA lateral to 3rd and 1st is does not exist in the chart you’re denoting.
Also, the numbers you present, i.e., Swanson 21, Lindor 13, Correa -3 etc., is actually a composite score of 4 skills – lateral left, lateral right, in, and back.
Correa is 4 OAA coming in, 2 to his right, -7 to his left , -1 going back.
As a third baseman, he’ll have plenty time to work on improving to his left before opening day.
baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/outs_above_aver…
JackStrawb
@padam With a normal aging curve Correa projects out to something very much like:
5.0, 4.4, 3.8, 3.1, 2.4, 1.6, 0.7…
That’s 21.0 WAR over 7 years, where over the last two years you don’t really want him starting. Even if inflation causes you to value wins in FA at $10m, more than 7/$210m is asking to lose.
It really feels like, given the money currently discussed, that signing Correa is a “heads you tie, tails you lose” situation. Especially at something like 12/$315m you’ll need an aging curve a lot more like this:
5.0, 5.0, 5.0, 4.4, 3.8, 3.1, 2.4, 1.6, 0.7…
…totaling 31.0 WAR. It would mean Correa holds his peak until age 30, then gradually declines, giving you 7 starting-caliber years then two partial seasons before not being worth a roster spot. I find that really, really, really unlikely. He doesn’t have the health history to warrant believing other than either he won’t play enough to be particularly valuable, or he’ll just fall apart as most players do in their early 30s, his reflexes going, or leaving him unable to take the field regularly.
ForeverGiantsFan
55% is not a sure thing. Correa not wanting to change length and salary is not surprising. Boros is probably still in denial as well. Correa is going to have to take a shorter contract unless Cohen doesn’t care.
deweybelongsinthehall
Or there is team protection included. If Correa is adamant on not changing the terms, the Mets could walk away. Regardless of the spin Boras puts on things, the Giants likely chose to walk away once Boras told them “no changes”. While Martinez got his deal with clauses that were not implemented, Napoli had to re-work his Boston deal after a hip issue showed up.
stymeedone
Giants asked for more time. Boras and Correa RAN to the next offer, willing to take less AND change positions. Tells you all you need to know.
websoulsurfer
Boras. Get it right. Because if you cannot spell the name correctly of a person mentioned in the article, how sound are your opinions?
dubtastic
Ever consider that it could’ve been a typo? Or maybe he intentionally misspelled his name as a mockery? Jumping to conclusions there grammar police.
websoulsurfer
Ever consider that if a person does it consistently that it’s not a typo? Not jumping to conclusions, pointing out the obvious. If you consistently stoop to mockery or cannot spell correctly even when the correct spelling is in the article you are commenting on, then you are probably not a great source of information.
But hey, you do you boo. Maybe you can dub some intelligent comments on here.
deweybelongsinthehall
Memo to me, skip We soul posts…
NashvilleJeff
@dewey: Yep. How about his pot calling the kettle black comment “If you consistently stoop to mockery…….” Yikes.
toomanyblacksinbaseball
Ever consider that misspelling/mispronouncing could be a mock or sign of disrespect. Psy 101 for anyone who paid attention.
Robertowannabe
@websoulsurfer–Maybe someone just likes to yank your chain and misspell it on purpose because they know how upset you get. Your anger at the misspelling of Boras makes me wonder if you are Scott posting here under the handle “websoulsurfer”……
Pads Fans
Web was on here already when I got here 15 years ago, so maybe. I don’t think so because Web disappeared for about 10 years. Boras would want to be here spreading rumors about his clients.
ohyeadam
Not very fast it seems
RyanD44
I read that they attached the bone to the wrong part of his leg in the surgery!?!?
VegasMoved
I read that they damaged his nerve, which is why he’s so sensitive.
Devlsh
I heard the plate in his leg may have been dislodged as a result of close proximity to vibrations emanating from a metallic cylindrical object.
Like a trash can for example.
Gwynning's Anal Lover
I heard the plate in his leg was made out of an actual garbage can.
RyanD44
I heard they put a dinner plate in and not a surgical plate.. that’s gotta be frustrating
DaOldDerbyBastard
Hilarious.
DaOldDerbyBastard
Sign the guy or don’t. I’m sick of waiting.
dirkg
I believe the “Vibrations emanating from a metallic cylindrical object” may have been referring to Altuve’s magic quarter-sized chest zapper. Or the mysterious metal thingy that jumped off of Robinson Chirinos bat.
There were all sorts of Astro hazards that could have affected poor Carlos.
deweybelongsinthehall
Panda wants the name of his surgeon.
Manfred’s playing with the balls
I heard the plate in his leg buzzes once for fastballs, twice for off speed pitches
GASoxFan
The battery attached to the vibrating plate now in his ankle was at end of lifespan and showed signs of breaking down in the MRI. Because the signals would no longer reach him from his bleacher assistant there is fear his hitting will crater
websoulsurfer
Ok, now that one was funny GASox
baseballteam
Is it possible this has to do with something Correa has been hiding, given his tendencies toward deception.
damascusj
If that were the case, I’m pretty sure they wouldn’t have definitively said that it was related to his leg
Travis’ Wood
Lol. No.
nosoupforyou
An old lady at the bank asked me to check her balance. So I pushed her over.
claude raymond
Funny. Thx
phenomenalajs
No respect, I tell ya!
metsgolf
My computer was hacked recently so I changed my password to Kenny. Now I can do a lot of Kenny Loggins.
Edp007
I went to the gym ,asked the female trainer “which machine is best to use to attract women”? She replied “You passed it in the lobby … ATM machine “
VegasMoved
I bet that didn’t even happen.
windmill_noise_causes_cancer
AtM mAcHiNe
VegasMoved
I wonder if it was an Automated ATM.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
You’re pulling his leg
99socalfrc
This guy must have some serious red flags. 12 months ago nobody wanted to give him a bag of $$$ so he ended up with the Twins. Now all this? Something just seems off here.
claude raymond
Really?
InPolesWeTrust
Yes, his right leg is all jacked up.
claude raymond
I’m aware. thx.
“He just hit my plate,” Correa told reporters. “I had surgery and he hit it. Just kind of felt numb. Vibrating. So I was just waiting for it to calm down. It was a little scary, but when I moved I knew it was good.”
websoulsurfer
I keep looking for the article that was reportedly in back on September 21st, but I can’t find it quoted anywhere before 3 days ago. Anyone have a link?
WAR overrated... shows how bad is the replacement? Assigned by?
theathletic.com/4033222/2022/12/24/mets-correa-physical-concerns/
“He just hit my plate,” Correa told reporters. “I had surgery and he hit it. Just kind of felt numb. Vibrating. So I was just waiting for it to calm down. It was a little scary, but when I moved I knew it was good.”
BaseballisLife
That was 3 days ago.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I don’t think it’s just the leg. I get the sense people don’t like him and don’t think he’s worth the money he wants. I think everybody knew he was looking for a record breaking deal and wouldn’t settle for less and they knew they weren’t going to offer him that kind of money or those kind of years so they didn’t bother even proffering a contract to him at all, because they knew he would ask for 10 years or more and at least $35M a year- they knew he wanted more than Lindor got, more than Seager got, etc. and they didn’t want to give him that.
I would like to note, that now that he got his 1 year/$35.1M payday, he’s willing to be paid much less per year because the total years plus that $35.1M would still push him beyond what guys like Lindor, Seager, etc. are getting paid in total.
websoulsurfer
There is stupid and then there are people that don’t think $35 million per season and $105 million total are a bag of $$$.
ohyeadam
How much for a Dior bag with a rip in it?
28in2019
12/27 6AM EST Yankees have signed Correa to a 5 year deal – pending outcome of the physical. More details to follow….
Jaysfan1981
Well it’s still 12/26 @ 1130 pm est. Soooo…..
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Nah, Mets are still willing to pay an arm and a leg for Correa. Just not two legs
SODOMOJO
Basically. He wants to get paid as the generational talent SS that he has been.
The physicals are revealing long term concerns about his ankle; and in order for him to continue being a generational talent DEFENSIVELY at SS….he needs his ankles to hold up. Otherwise, you’re paying over 300 million for a guy who’s offensive numbers certainly dont translate to be as valuable at 1B, corner outfield or even 3rd.
dpsmith22
Generational talent? Wow that’s a stretch.
SODOMOJO
Cohen needs you on his staff. Like yesterday.
phenomenalajs
Well, the Mets are planning to pay him that kind of money to play third regardless, because they have another generational talent at SS on a similar contract.
SODOMOJO
Seems asinine to give a 30 year 3b with Correas offensive numbers that much money. Doesn’t it?
Cleon Jones
Short answer: Yes.
websoulsurfer
Good thing Correa is 28 then. He will be a top 4 or 5 offensive 3B when this deal is completed.
WAR overrated... shows how bad is the replacement? Assigned by?
Please check these advanced statistics or metrics or cybermetrics. Pay special attention to FIELDING.
Lateral Towards 3b and 1B.
OAA
Dansby Swanson: 21
Francisco Lindor: 13
Jeremy Pena: 7
Xander Bogaerts: 5
Trea Turner: 0
Javier Baez: 1
Carlos Correa: -3
baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/outs_above_average?type=Fielder&startYear=2022&endYear=2022&split=no&team=&range=year&min=q&pos=6&roles=&viz=show
baseballsavant.mlb.com
SODOMOJO
You guys think Cohen has ANYBODY around him with the balls to show him that stat? Yes men make bad decisions. Cohen, while a big “baseball fan type guy;” is not equipped to be making baseball decisions like this, obviously. I gather that he is clearly the driving force behind all of the frivolous spending. How will this team look in 5 years?
Pads Fans
He got the stat wrong in his post.
VonPurpleHayes
I think somewhat similar to the way they look now: ridiculous expensive, not young, full of some of the best FA talent on the market, a contender.
SODOMOJO
Absolutely could be right on there Von. And for Cohens’ sake….you better be right.
However, there is also a realm of possibility in which the success doesn’t sustain amidst the inevitable decline of these high priced free agents.
Or even, that all the contracted players fail to live up to expectation…a la the Padres….who did make the playoffs this year but not without some adversity. The type of adversity, that you wouldn’t necessarily expect from a top spending team. It can give a false sense of security. See: the Angels
5 years? Maybe too niche.
Then again, all we gotta do is take a look at the Dodgers and their intent to rip beyond any recognizable financial thresholds over the past whatever years….since Magic got in there. It CAN work.
JackStrawb
@SODOMOJO It certainly can work, but you need a superb front office to make it work so that you can get off the FA treadmill and not turn into this century’s version of the Steinbrenner Yankees when they missed the postseason for 13 years.
The Mets don’t have anything close to a superb front office at this point, and their timing when it came to bringing prospects up to help out last year was inept. As for not being able to teach even one of Baty, Vientos, or Mauricio to field 3B competently, to the point where you just go out and (seek to) sign a 3Bman for 12/$315m despite talking about the farm, the farm, the farm…—what does that tell us?
Bungling the deadline, handing the Giants their 140 OPS+ cleanup hitter and a sub-2.00 ERA setup man for 36 yo platoon failure Darin Ruf, dealing away half a dozen useful or interesting players just in early August to add 0.0 WAR over the rest of the season? It’s only spending massive amounts of money that’s making Cohen look any better than he did during the fiasco that was all of 2020- 2021.
José Hunter
Blasphemy!
How dare you insult our messiah aka Uncle Stevie!
I luv my uncle Stevie!
It may be due to my serious case of Battered Fan Syndrome
It is the result of years of being a fan of the team who, despite being in the biggest market in BB, had owners who spent like their team is based in Tuscaloosa.
It was so bad, I’m not even sure what state Tuscaloosa is in!
So, any SEC-bandit insider-trading fined $6B creature who comes along seems like the greatest thing since sliced… something
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Man I hope Correa/Boras refuse to alter the basic trend of the contract agreement and the Mets just walk away entirely.
If everybody eho wants you I’d bringing up the same concern, maybe you need to accept that factor and adjust your own expectations to meet them in the middle… again, unless you know they’re right and you want to scam them out of their money on the back end of a deal.
Correa is not worth 10 or more years, Correa is not worth a $300M+ commitment. The teams need to just hold the line. He can’t force anybody to give him a contract and a salary. They have the power. And if the Mets and the Giants wouldn’t give him the money, who’s gonna actually give him what he wants, and why should they?
The market should determine his value, not Correa. Let’s be honest- if Correa had his drugged he’d be paid $100M annually for the rest of his natural life. Doesn’t mean anybody will or should hand that to him on a silver platter.
Seamaholic
“They” don’t have much power at all if “they” refers to the Mets. There are 28 other teams, and they can’t collude to “hold the line.”
stymeedone
If he walks away, his price will go down, as he will officially be damaged goods.
Robertowannabe
So, only a certain number of teams are allowed to pull out of a n agreement based on his physical? What is the magic number of teams that can refuse his demands based on his x-rays?
Pads Fans
After Cohen was on record speaking publicly about the deal he would have a hard time legally if he tried to back out. The union would have a really good case against him.
Cohen can ask to restructure it to put in some protections for the team like there was on the J.D. Martinez deal, but he put himself over a barrel in terms of being able to completely back out. I think that is what will happen in the next day or two. Something like a team opt out at 7 years if Correa misses a certain amount of time from an injury directly related to the ankle injury he had in 2014 and Correa gets an opt out after 3 years in exchange with the 12/315 staying in place.
Unless Correa decides to sign elsewhere, which he can now, he will be a Met soon.
YankeesBleacherCreature
The Twins recently offered him $285M and Correa had his physical with them a year ago. His current market is between that and $350M. If some team is willing to pay, and they will eventually, how is that a scam? You’re also advocating for collusion. We all saw how well that went the last time.
stubby66
I agree surprised they don’t jump in .
GASoxFan
Multiple articles have said the twins wouldn’t move ahead with even the 285m without settling the same.concerns the giants and now Mets raised.
If boras called the twins tomorrow and asked 10/285? Still good? Twins wouldn’t say done, let’s have a press conference in an hour.
YankeesBleacherCreature
We shall see how this saga ends.
GASoxFan
Agreed. My guess is he sticks with the Mets knowing at this point multiple strikes will make any MD at least err towards the side of raising objection to a judgment call for fear of being second guessed, and, that there aren’t any other pockets left as deep.
Expect a tit for tat exchange of contract changes… say a vesting guarantee on the backhalf of the contract if there isn’t a leg issue forcing certain benchmarks of missed time in the first half of the deal. maybe coupled with some kind of player option, who knows.
deweybelongsinthehall
It’s one thing for one club to walk away. With possibly two, the Twins will need to spend more time reviewing the medical and films. My questions are if he has to go short term, will he still end up with the Mets, go back to the Twins or on another one year, high value deal, will the Dodgers swoop in? Even the Yankees. Bidding can push him to one year, $40m. I wouldn’t pay it but someone might. Could even be the Giants to save face with their fans.
stymeedone
He would need to take a new physical for the new contract. The Twins cannot afford that contract w/o insurance, and can no longer cover this injury, as its pre-existing. That greatly shortens their offer, I would expect.
Pads Fans
Any contract can be covered. Wright was diagnosed with spinal stenosis a year before he signed his contract extension and it was covered. That is a much more serious medical condition than a broken leg.
Robertowannabe
@YanjkeesBleacherCreature– The offer was made based on year old x-rays. Very possible the newer x-rays are showing deterioration in the bones with regards to the old injury. The Twins are on record as saying the $285million is not etched in stone as they want to see the new x-rays to see what the big concern is.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
A few things. 1) I was on the phone when I typed that first reply and I was typing fast in order to grab a phone call, so there’s a ton of typos in there that could be misconstrued:
*Man I hope Correa/Boras refuse to alter the basic terms of the contract agreement and the Mets just walk away entirely…..
*If everybody who wants you is bringing up the same concern, maybe you need to accept that fact and adjust your own expectations to meet them in the middle….
*Let’s be honest- if Correa had his druthers, he’d be paid $100M annually for the rest of his natural life.
I want to be clear here: I am not advocating for collusion. I don’t think the teams should get together and collectively agree with each other on how to approach Correa’s free agency and thus collude against him.
I am saying I hope no team capitulates to the kind of overpay Correa wants.
I am saying I hope Correa and Boras’ expectations come back down to earth and they accept the fact that Correa will not get the $300M+ deal that he wants and they agree to something reasonable.
I still think Correa is probably worth 3 years/$105M or even 4 years/$140M, etc. but beyond that would be too risky.
I also still think there’s a very real chance Correa could go for year to year high AAV deals and stay healthy and productive enough to equal a 10 year/$365M deal or a 13 year/$455M deal or something else near those ballpark figures- and if he lived up to those salaries, good for him, it’s whatever.
But it would be really disappointing to see that virtually everybody has valid justifiable reservations about his durability and long term value and simply capitulate to his salary demands- given that, again, if you asked someone how much money they’d like, the sky is the limit. If a multi-trillionaire (I am aware of the irony of this example given my user name) was willing to pay a player or a whole roster $1 billion a year each, those players would happily take the money and every player would try to play for that team owner because why accept $20 million or even $50 million a season when one guy will pay you over $1 billion a season to play short stop or third base or whatever and hit .267 with 19 home runs?
So to me, it’s not about how much money Correa wants, but what he’s actually worth in terms of the market value set across the board in the game of major league baseball and I while I do think the guy is legitimately worth $26M-$29M a season, I think the number of guaranteed years he’d need to make that equal over $300 million is too many years and anybody willing to give him those years and total dollars to sign him now will look like a fool in a few seasons and it could actually wind up hurting the MLBPA collectively down the line as he would be the poster child of not overpaying guys for their declining years, when that’s what’s done nowadays anyway. A lot of guys get an extra few years tacked on to deals to get the deals done and teams accept this- but Correa would be quite the asterisk to this rule if teams capitulate to his salary and contract length demands and I think the market is telling him he’s worth way fewer years and total dollars than what he would like and I hope the market wins the argument and Correa loses the argument- at least in the short term- unless he stays healthy performs to or above and beyond his next contract and earns the next contract after that at the same price point or more.
quonset point
tldr
TrillionaireTeamOperator
lol if you think that’s tldr for me you should see my other replies.
My user name should really be “LongestWindedIntheCommentSection”
YankeesBleacherCreature
By your definition and past post history with your hypothetical FA contract proposals, every top 10 or so position player whom have signed has been an overpay. That also includes Judge. We’ve already agreed that you personally don’t like Correa. I think teams equipped with much more factual information on hand have better risk assessment (than you and I) and can also better determine how a 10+ year contract effects their long-term bottom line. What you continue to spout off here hasn’t reflected the reality of what has actually happened in the market. Perhaps your value assessment of players needs correction.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
You’re right. I’m an armchair analyst. I don’t have insider info, i’m just speculating. And yes- almost every major long term contract does wind up being an overpay. Almost every single one. The ones that wind up a good value are rare and often fly way under the radar.
And yes, we do agree I don’t like Correa. That said, I do understand his value. I still think he’s worth around $28M a season and would live up to a median length deal- even a 5 year deal would probably be successful enough.
“perhaps your value of players needs correction” man I read that in a comical German voice.
bhambrave
There is nothing in baseball less efficient than a free agent contract. It signifies that one team is willing to outpay 29 other teams for a player’s services.
GASoxFan
Bhambrave –
Sure there are. Anytime you deal with something, or someone, unique and non-fungible you get that approach. Real-estate, whether it’s your house or a team stadium site it happens because one entity will pay more than anyone else for the unique good.
FA, international signings, all happen to a highest bidder because it’s not asking please bag these groceries… it’s, sky is the ceiling, perform the best you possibly can. And one person has bigger ceilings and lower pitfalls than others.
So, sure, your uniform supplier isn’t quite that extreme. But, most any scout, coach, manager, gm, player, etc all are inefficient in the same way. Just the costs don’t climb quite so high.
stymeedone
Every FA signing is an overpay. 29 other teams thought it was too much. One team thinks they are smarter than all the rest. Did you notice the Mets offer is less than the Giants? His price will continue to go down with the next pivot.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
If the down spiral continues, he’s gonna wind up playing for the Pirates on a one year deal where he has to pay them the league minimum…
Pads Fans
FA signings are market value by definition, not an overpay. They are what the market would bear, just like buying a house or a collectible.
bhambrave
They’re still inefficient, and an overpay if you compare the cost to the benefit. The market is irrelevant in that context.
Pads Fans
FA signings have provided 14% surplus value overall based on the value of WAR for FA signings from 2000-2019. I don’t have figures from 2020-2022, so I would have to manually do those calculations, but I can’t believe that they would be that much different.
José Hunter
“Let’s be honest- if Correa had his druthers”
Oh, I was concerned that I wasn’t close to being well-informed when I read “drugs” in your post
andsc
OF COURSE negotiations after the Mets failed his physical have been more productive than when the Giants failed him. Bore-ass doesn’t have any half-insane greedy owners to pivot to, now. :rolls eyes:
VonPurpleHayes
Im recent history, the Mets had one season without much clubhouse or owner drama and won 101 games. I don’t think that’s a coincidence. Walk away from this mess.
Bill M
Excellent point but the PA could make the Mets life difficult if they try to walk away because of Cohen’s comments on the deal
stymeedone
Verbal comments mean nothing.
Bill M
The PA doesn’t see it that way.
User 401527550
Do you think Correa will not sign any where else and wait for a two year arbitration process to work it self out?
Pads Fans
You don’t understand contract law or the CBA the teams and players must abide by. Cohen pretty much locked himself into signing Correa with his comments. Cohen can attempt to mitigate the damage made by his public comments by asking that some protections for the team are added in like what Boston got with J.D. Martinez, but it would be practically impossible for Cohen to back out completely unless Correa decided he wanted to play elsewhere.
User 401527550
Like I said. Do you really think Correa is going to gamble on a lengthy process? Cohen did nothing to side step the physical and the the results of the physical. The terms of the contract are pending a physical which he failed.
Pads Fans
He failed the physical? For what exactly? You know that how?
JoeBrady
I am going to go out on a limb here and suggest he failed for the same reason he failed the Giants’ physical.
Sunday Lasagna
@Von, I agree, but part of me wants them to sign Correa because if they don’t, Cohen is going to pay whatever it takes to sign Devers & Ohtani after this season instead of just Ohtani.
YankeesBleacherCreature
As if he isn’t overpaying on payroll already?
candymaldonado
It’s hard to imagine that if two teams have independently arrived at the same conclusion about an injury concern, that all the other teams out there aren’t also going to see it, too. No one is paying a clause-free $315m anymore. Boras has to play hardball here, but it’s hard to imagine Cohen isn’t still the guy out there willing to pay the most.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Correa is really scared about Jon Heyman’s hit pieces if he doesn’t sign with NYM. Also, it’s very unlikely his stubborn refusal to reduce the contract or alter the structure will lead to a deal. He needs to learn to adapt to changing conditions.
phenomenalajs
This could be more Boras than him. I highly doubt he would change agents now, but I think Boras will be reasonable and work with the Mets. He probably will keep the general contract structure but he may need to meet certain benchmarks of games played per season for the last few years to vest or he’ll have a similar clause to the one JD Martinez had.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Do you know how commission works for contracts if someone fires an agent right after signing a contract and doesn’t get another one or just switches agencies? Who gets the money for which years?
Flyby
working with agencies in a different business most agencies have a 90 day policy once you sign a contract with them. This way they are protected for their hardwork and last minute you cant say go away and dont pay commission. So anything you do for 90 days after you fire them they still get credit as if they were the agent. With Boras being a big agency i would expect he would follow that kind of path but because of it being a sport it might have a shorter window like 30 days unless the player guarantees the former a buyout of some kind to let them out of the “grace period”
YankeesBleacherCreature
A-Rod was represented by Boras during initial extension negotiations with the Yankees on his last contract. He decided to switch representation down the stretch and work with Goldman Sachs whom sealed the deal. I believe Boras was still paid commissions. Not sure if it was fully but these things are also commonly negotiable to avoid prolonged litigation and its associated costs.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
I had no clue Goldman Sachs was this diversified.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Don’t boycott
Neither did George Santos.
Pads Fans
MLBPA licenses agents and sets the terms for player agents.
A player has to give a 30 day notice of termination for an agent. If they sign within 30 days, their former agent can and probably does still receive his 5% commission. Although I cannot think of many players that fired their agent and immediately signed a contract with with a team using a new agent.
That commission is paid out in the same increments as the player gets paid over the full term of the contract.
If a player fires an agent after the contract is signed, the former agent gets paid 5% for the term of the contract they negotiated for the player.
dpsmith22
Greed continues to be the focus of MLB and it’s players.
bhambrave
Thank you Captain Obvious.
VegasMoved
MLB is driving inflation.
King Floch
No, that’s the government.
Sky14
It’s mostly corporate greed, but I agree the government could do something about that.
dpsmith22
lol corporations didn’t print a trillion dollars. Corporations didn’t sell the pipeline to Russia……Your understanding of what’s going on in the country is sadly limited.
VegasMoved
Anyone with any economic sense knows it’s thw MLB.
JoeBrady
Your understanding of what’s going on in the country is sadly limited.
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This is covered in ECO101. Maybe they forgot.
Sky14
Inflation is happening globally and is far worse in many countries than the US. Corporate profits are at all time highs while their expenses are up a bit, many are using inflation as an excuse to raise prices. I’d recommend turning off Tucker and getting news that doesn’t already confirm what you already believe.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Thankfully, Joe McCarthy is here to stop that. Hopefully, he can stick around.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Greed has nothing to do with anything. This isn’t some Sunday School Bible lesson. Do you believe you should be paid the going market rate for the labor you decide to sell in the labor market?
bhambrave
Give him a three year deal with seven or eight vesting option years.
HalosHeavenJJ
Would be so savvy if Cohen made the offer knowing his medical team would come to the same conclusion.
This gives him such leverage. Sign a fairer deal or go back on the market with two failed physicals behind you.
Savage.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I hope this is accurate. I really truly hope in his mind Cohen is thinking “3 years/$100M or maybe 4 years/$140M but nothing more, but I know he won’t agree to that, so I’ll offer him something he wants, prove his medicals won’t allow for that and get him to agree to a much more palatable length contract I will be out from under before his actual age and wear and tear become an issue” oooh that’d be brilliant.
BaseballisLife
Only problem with that statement is that Cohen made public statements about Correa joining the team before the physical was done. The MLBPA would win if they filed a greivance.
GASoxFan
Everyone just points to mlb recommending against speaking on the record about a deal…. but, really, I’m trying to figure out what Cohen said that would be a slam dunk.
He said he hoped the physical would go OK. He predicated everything on passing a physical. So what would the grievance be, and, if boras/correa allege bad faith false statements to chill his market wouldn’t they need to prove ZERO question as to the physicals, beyond any doubt that he was in 100% PERFECT physical condition?
Pads Fans
Cohen never mentioned the physical. Still hasn’t publicly. Boras doesn’t have to prove that Correa is not injured, the Mets would have to prove that he is.
JackStrawb
The Mets don’t have to do anything. They can simply decline to sign a final contract
JackStrawb
@padam With a normal aging curve Correa projects out to something very much like:
5.0, 4.4, 3.8, 3.1, 2.4, 1.6, 0.7…
That’s 21.0 WAR over 7 years, where over the last two years you don’t really want him starting. Even if inflation causes you to value wins in FA at $10m, more than 7/$210m is asking to lose.
It really feels like, given the money currently discussed, that signing Correa is a “heads you tie, tails you lose” situation. Especially at something like 12/$315m you’ll need an aging curve a lot more like this:
5.0, 5.0, 5.0, 4.4, 3.8, 3.1, 2.4, 1.6, 0.7…
…totaling 31.0 WAR. It would mean Correa holds his peak until age 30, then gradually declines, giving you 7 starting-caliber years then two partial seasons before not being worth a roster spot. I find that really, really, really unlikely. He doesn’t have the health history to warrant believing other than either he won’t play enough to be particularly valuable, or he’ll just fall apart as most players do in their early 30s.
Pads Fans
Correa is top ten in games played at SS during his career and at the to of the chart in terms or rWAR during that tie frame.
Players begin to decline on offense at 31 on average. Typical aging curve from 31-34 is a 7% drop in offensive performance. From 35 on it accelerates. Defensive performance declines 7-9% per year in DRS depending on the position played starting at age 30.
A good portion of the difference in the drop in defensive value is because players at some positions like SS and CF are more likely to change to other positions as they age, but still grade out well in the new position relative to the others at that position. Hope that last sentence makes sense.
Taking the average of the last 2 seasons of rWAR as the starting point it would be something like 6.0, 6.0, 5.8, 5.3, 4.8, 4.4, 4.0 and then falling off steeply after that so that the age 35-40 seasons add up to that age 34 season or a little more. Totals around 36 WAR through his age 34 season. From age 35-40 another 4-6 WAR total. If he has to move to DH at 35, that value will be lower.
This offseason so far, a point of rWAR in FA salaries is about $10.2 million. If there is no FA wage inflation over the next 7 seasons and rounding down, Correa’s value is around $360 million for 2023-2029 at an AAV cost of $185 million.
Pads Fans
2015-2022 rWAR
CC – 39.5
FL – 36.6
XB – 33.9
TT – 29.7
TS – 29.3
JB – 26.8
CS – 25.3
JackStrawb
You’re way, way off on your claims. Offense on average peaks at 27 and drops off far more rapidly than you assert. You didn’t fall for Bradbury’s disproven ‘study,’ did you?
JackStrawb
Also, don’t use baseball-reference’s WAR for position players. It’s with good reason that the much better fangraphs method has Correa at 31.3 fWAR for his career.
Pads Fans
You are using a flawed Fangraphs article as your basis. It did not take into account all players, just players over a very short period of time.
Take into account all expansion era players and my calculations are on the money.
Pads Fans
ONLY use rWAR for position players. Its the only one close to accurate.
fWAR uses UZR for its defensive component and UZR does not take into account the shift so its useless for measuring anything the last decade or so.
JoeBrady
2.4, 1.6, 0.7…
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Those are his age 33-35 years. I’d make a substantial wager, absent injury, that he is higher than that.
JackStrawb
That’s wildly incorrect. I’m taking every credible and peer-reviewed study over the past 40 years into account, but if you really believe your comment, I’ll pass on anything further. Feel free to take the last word. Cheers,
JackStrawb
Sure. I’ll take those numbers—by fWAR specifically, or lower. Set up a commitment at any credible bet booking agent and shoot me a link.
User 401527550
So you think Correa sits out a year or two waiting for an arbitration hearing that might not go his way?
cleonswoboda
Cohen didn’t become a safe made multi-billionaire (that’s billions with a B) by not working out all scenarios and options before trying to negotiate his deals. With all his big signings he’s not just throwing money around,he’s making an investment. He knows what he’s doing.
Samuel
cleonswoboda;
Lindor’s agents walked all over him.
George Steinbrenner did this stuff. In one stretch he went 12 years without making the playoffs in spite of having the highest payroll in MLB each one of those years. He only won doing that 2 times:
1) When free agency first started in the mid-70’s and no one knew how to work around it; and
2) When he was suspended from MLB so he let his “Baseball People” do a rebuild which built the farm system that brought in the Bernie Williams, Jeter, Mariano, Pettite, etc. all core and won through the late-90’s and early 2000’s.
MLB needs total revenue sharing, a cap and a floor – but the smart FO’s will continue to work around those owners that just try to buy championships.
JackStrawb
It’s amusing, anyway, that you think billionaires in general and Cohen in particular get rich because they’re smarter than pretty much everyone else. It’s a heap. Someone’s going to be on top of it. Look for example at the nominal heads of the major political parties.
JoeBrady
It’s a heap.
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He graduated from the Wharton School of Business. My guess is that a lot of his success is from insider trading, but I’d also guess the dude is really smart.
JackStrawb
Perhaps, though Trum p is also among their graduates, and Brando n graduated from Syracuse University with a law degree, and I wouldn’t call either close to “really smart.”
I’ve known extremely wealthy people and their primary skills are greed and sociopathy. Most also work extremely hard, but no harder than the guy trying to get his Subway franchise or his deli off the ground. I’d bet Cohen’s IQ is in the 110-115 range, but he doesn’t have any of the evident qualities of genius. He has no real facility for language, for example, and his ability to plan, specifically to build the team he’s been wanting to own for a decade into a contender with anything other than absurd amounts of money, was evidently non-existent.
VonPurpleHayes
Being successful in one field doesn’t translate to being successful to another. Cohen is a new baseball owner and already made some big blunders. Savvy businessman doesn’t equate to great baseball guy. (All Cohen can do really is surround himself with smart baseball people and write checks.) Just like my excellent Mario Kart skills don’t help me with my day job, although I never slipped on a banana peel at the office.
Churchill’s Pancakes
My guess is (I didn’t do the math or really investigate the opt outs) the Mets will be over the CBT until at least 2025 just with the 14 players they have signed (plus Correa).
Generally speaking, the Correa signing contradicts Cohens public statements of sign FAs to fill holes until the prospects are ready. One of the Mets top prospects plays 3B. If Baty won’t be ready for 12 years, is he really a prospect?
They’re also going to run into the fact that Lindor and Nimmo will also be aging. All 3 can’t be DH at the same time.
JackStrawb
Imagine this team in 2025 without having another $375m to spend on payroll. If JV meets his innings-to-vest, then in 2025 these are the ages of players under contract for $146 million:
31, 31, 32, 32, 36, 43.
Alonso will be a 30 yo FA. McNeil, 33. And there are people who want to give them 5-7 year extensions. The MVP of players under arb control in 2025? Luis Guillorme. King of the pre-arb guys? Alvarez.
Edp007
New nickname Peg
quonset point
Eileen
Bill M
Neil
Dumpster Divin Theo
Once this contract bidness be resolved, Correa be doing his happy dance- the Can Can! Because he can.
windmill_noise_causes_cancer
got ‘eeem
JayRyder
This is going to drag out for a while. Boras publicly blamed the Giants as if they are bad at their jobs. What a tool. Sorry Scott, Your Ego can’t pursued Everyone. I expect a Complete revision of this Deal. Steve Cohen smells blood in the Water. And Scott is now the Hunted. Correa wants to be a Met. Zero Leverage Now.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Cohen and Boras will play nice, both have toys the other will want over the next several years
stymeedone
Correa doesn’t want to be a Met any more than he wanted to be a Giant. Correa just wants to be paid. If they reach an agreement, keep in mind that the Mets came in 2nd choice. Kind of a back up plan. His first choice was always the Giants (the money)!
Moneyballer
Watch him blow out his knee right away this year! Doctors will be like, told ya!
Benjamin101677
The Mets may get exactly what they deserve. They jumped in on a deal last minute the owner talked publicly about it which is against mlb standards. Than have a medical issue. If this deal falls through don’t see Correa getting any contract over 100 million.
Jaysfan1981
Jays would be happy to give him 3/100 and move Bo to 2nd.
Reunion with Springer.
I’d proudly wear a trash can at the WS parade lol
Moneyballer
He still will. It will just be a shorter term deal. Locking in an injury risk to a decade long contract is really rolling the dice. My guess is there will be some insurance verbiage added to his deal. Mets will do whatever they can to cover themselves before locking into what could be a toxic deal.
Samuel
Moneyballer;
Insurance companies are not in business to lose money.
Insurance on professional athletes is hard to find and expensive.
Insuring a guy with a plate in his leg for 10-12 years and $315 is going to be incredibly expensive. IF they can even find a carrier that will issue them a policy. And even if they insure that contract, the company will almost assuredly only pay out a fraction of the $315m.
JoeBrady
Insurance companies are not in business to lose money.
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I have no idea why people think you can buy insurance and nothing will go wrong. As a general rule, every time you pay them money, you lose money. It’s almost like people think that the insurance company will give the NYM a $315M policy without bothering to do due diligence.
FloridaSportsGuy
>the owner talked publicly about it which is against mlb standards.
Hi, citation please?
VonPurpleHayes
The public comments were made to Heyman. You can read them on Twitter or pretty much anywhere the Correa/Mets deal was reported.
Hired Gun 23
If the Mets walk away, who’s your money on to sign him? I say he goes to Miami…
Edp007
Correa goes to Korea
Kershaw's Lesser Known Right Arm
at this point, why not? No one’s giving him another long-term contract and Kim/Sherman need to do something with that anemic offense.
Moneyballer
Twins saw him all last year and love him. Their 10yr 285mil offer is probably still sitting there for him to take.
VegasMoved
The Twins reportedly wanted to take another look at Correa’s leg (they haven’t done a physical with him since signing him last year). Wouldn’t be a surprise if they also have cold feet about doing a 10 year deal.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
In all honesty if the Mets deal falls through I think he goes back to the Twins with his tail between his legs and they get him to agree to a fully guaranteed 3 year/$105.3M deal with no opt outs.
twins33
For some reason, I don’t see that happening. If the Mets are truly working with Correa/Boras, why wouldn’t they offer the 3/105 and he take it and it all be over? That’s nothing compared to what they already verbally agreed to. Would be a win-win for the Mets, still get the player but for a lot cheaper and less risk.
The only way he goes back to the Twins is if every other team says no like last year. I’m not surprised by the reports that he’s trying to work it out with the Mets as Cohen proves he will add the big pieces needed to win. Correa will never get that with the Twins.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Quarterback for the Broncos.
Kershaw's Lesser Known Right Arm
While I don’t trust much that comes out of Jon Heyman’s mouth (or pen, I guess?), I certainly hope one of those teams to “haved touch base” are the Dodgers lol
Cam
I’m usually a Boras defender, as he’s the best at what he does. But..his quick pivot when the Giants found an issue, only to have the same issue appear elsewhere, looks really bad. He basically burned the Giants for nothing. It’ll take more than this to burn his credibility entirely, but it’s a step towards that.
A bit like leaving one girl for another, only to realize that you’re the problem to begin with.
Citizen1
Suckered the giants into a large contract with oft injured conforto as compensation.
It’ll be the gnats signing Correa
websoulsurfer
For $350 million.
Samuel
Cam;
Am with you.
I like Scott. But the fact is that when Correa had the incident in September, 2022 I find it hard to believe he didn’t know about it.
He’s got 70 people working for him in his corporation. He knew he had one of his top clients going for a $300m contract in 2 months. Seems someone would have been keeping tabs on Correa. I highly doubt he knew nothing about the leg/ankle….whatever. It’s possible he felt that wasn’t a concern…..but being in the industry for 45 years I find that hard to believe.
Led Hoyer
The giants just massively overpaid Conforto, I am guessing no hard feelings. He did them a favor getting out of that 13 year contract.
baseballteam
“Lower right leg folks…nothing to see here…keep moving, move right along please…”
Viveleempireevil
The concern has to be that even though his leg is rock solid now at age 28, what will it be like in 10 years? Cohen will probably try to front load a 5/6 year deal with team option/opt out after years 7-8-9-10. This protects his long position and allows Correa to opt out at age 32-34.
christopher8002
Cohen doesn’t seem to care much, but too much Correa-friendly front-loading is going to bump the Mets’ tax for 2023, 2024 even higher than it already would have been under the original Correa deal.
Curly Is A Dumb Stooge
Cohen doesn’t seem to care much.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
While Cohen can afford anything he feels like affording for the Mets, he’s not a sucker and wouldn’t want to make a sucker’s deal where he’s the one getting taken for a ride.
If everything indicates Correa is damaged goods not worth the years or dollars or Cohen can see he’ll be the laughing stock of the baseball world for giving Correa what he wants, I think Cohen will back out.
Normally that would make Cohen and the Mets look bad, but given that they traded for Lindor and immediately signed him to a 10 year contract at a $34.1M AAV, given that they signed Scherzer and Verlander to those $43.3M AAV contracts, amongst other mega deals Cohen got done lickity split, I don’t think anybody can accuse Cohen of being cheap or low balling or trying to trick players into bad deals or not being a reliable owner. If anything, I think because of Correa’s track record and attitude, given everything about Correa’s now two year journey through free agency, it will look like it’s all on Correa and Correa’s issues and no team is able to deal with him because he’s making unreasonable demands and he’s making successful negotiations impossible.
I’ve joked before that out of a lot of other players and people who’d love a winning lottery ticket for $300M or more, it really does seem like the league would be better off paying Correa to go away or if everybody got fed up and told themselves they don’t need him and he manages to over value himself completely out of baseball entirely.
oz10
No it won’t. AAV is used for the tax
Devlsh
After Correa signs a three year, $75 million contract with the Cubs:
BORAS: Carlos decided he didn’t like either coast and preferred to stay in the Midwest. This has nothing to do with any reported injury.. Carlos looks forward to bringing a championship to Chicago and revisiting free agency once again in the future. He will not be answering any questions and asks that you leave adequate room for him to limp out of here to his private ambulance.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
No thanks. He can be the Mets headache for tbe next decade plus. Plus, if the giants and Mets had cause for concern, why wouldn’t the cubs have the same concern?
Moneyballer
That wont happen. Dansby took all of Correa’s money and position.
Citizen1
This story like Correa just won’t hobble away. I read its Correa’s ankle is the concern, this just gets twisted by the day. As they say in the olde theatre, break a leg Correa.
richardc
I love how Boras already has a reporter letting people know that instantly three “RIVAL” teams are interested…
Then, also while getting the word out that he still prefers the Mets regardless whichever teams get involved..
Gotta love Scott Boras earning his money..lol..I’m guessing he’s using the Mets desperation against them to get a deal done for his client. Their owner has done everything possibly to make everyone forget what an epic collapse they had last year, and this would certainly be his cherry on the top..
YankeesBleacherCreature
I doubt the Mets are feeling desperate after the spending spree Cohen has had. Public pressure is more appropriate wording after has raising expectations even further. Even if the Correa deal falls through completely, Mets fans have to be pretty content with their offseason additions.
richardc
I highly doubt Cohen wants any part of another letdown right at the last minute again…
He wants to continue riding this wave of positivity, and now that he’s all-in on Correa, I’d say he’s definitely desperate to get the deal done rather than him going elsewhere..
The story could be spun all around his bad medical, and that it was too big of a financial risk for the money or whatever, but I highly doubt the Mets fanbase would accept letting Correa go to another team, regardless of the excuse used.
If he was just available and there were rumors floating around that the Mets were interested, I wouldn’t say he’d be desperate to sign him at all, but now that he’s got the hopes and dreams of their fanbase involved, I’d say he is desperate to get the deal done…
I don’t think Cohen wants any negativity hanging over their offseason, and is doing his best to make their fans and everyone else try to forget how badly they just wet the bed.
I could easily be wrong, but that’s just what it seems like from my perspective..
Devlsh
I see it slightly differently.
I think Cohen has already demonstrated good faith and earned the trust of Mets fans, and his WILLINGNESS to sign Correa only furthers that. If, on the heels of the Giants reacting similarly, he chooses to walk away, I think Mets fans will accept it as the smart move, knowing Cohen will continue to spend in the future in order to improve the club.
stymeedone
Billionaires don’t get “desperate.”
Pads Fans
Musk entered the chat.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I do believe other teams are interested. . . . vultures are circling.
My prediction is that Correa plays for Mets in 2023,
At least this controversy provides MLB a diversion from the Trevor Bauer stories.
Jake Paul v. Trevor Bauer on You Tube pay per view. Let’s see how TB can punch against someone who is both bigger and awake.
stymeedone
They are interested, in a short term deal.
flamingbagofpoop
Jake Paul is too busy running crypto and NFT scams.
10centBeerNight
Hope it all gets resolved tomorrow. It’s sucking up all the oxygen in the room
Cleon Jones
Front load the contract: 100 million 1st year, mutual opt outs. 100 million year 2, mutual opt outs. 75 mill year 3, mutual opt outs, 50 mill year 4, done. Screw tax, Cohen doesnt care. He’ll make as much writing down losses on his business tax.
Art Shamsky
Cleon, that would go against basic financial principles. If you’re gonna pay him $315M, you want to stretch that out as long as possible, irrespective of how he’ll perform in later years. And certainly no reason to pay him $325M instead of $315M…
Cleon Jones
Understood, my point though, half facetious, is to get it on the books/ off the books asap, take the LT hit over 3-4 yrs, and reevaluate then. Cohen could do it, because he doesnt care about payroll, taxes, what his spending means for rest of league, it doesnt matter. Payroll could be 500M, if he decided it would help him win, he’d spend it. I think …?
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
They can structure it based on IL time and PA.
Condition A – original contract
Condition B – Mets get an team option after year 7
Condition C – Correa gets an opt-out after year 5
Correa can choose to be stubborn, but Cohen didn’t make all this money without understanding leverage, and right now Cohen has ALL the leverage – his team is fine without Correa.
iBleeedBlue
MLB = WWE
King Floch
WWE is less rigged 😉
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
The Giants pulled out of the deal
That’s what she said.
RegularEd 2
Am looking forward to the Orioles’ Mike Elias swooping in with a 1/7$ “prove it” offer because they both were once in the Astros organization at the same time. /s
Curly Is A Dumb Stooge
More like SpecialEd today
websoulsurfer
1/37?
RegularEd 2
Am looking a forward to the Orioles’ Mike Elias swooping in with a 1/7$ “prove it” offer because they both were once in the Astros organization at the same time. /s
Colavito
Correa, Hinch, Altuve etc. should have gone to prison for interstate racketeering and theft by conversion for stealing the 2017 World Series. Millions of dollars bet legally were lost to a rigged playoff scheme. Little wonder he and Boras plan to defraud an MLB team for more hundreds of millions of dollars, they’re both little more than snake oil salesmen.
websoulsurfer
One small thing, it wasn’t against the rules for the players, only for the FO and the coaches and even that was not the case until September of 2017.
It pays to actually understand the situation before commenting. Try starting by reading the commissioner’s report. Maybe then you will at least understand the basics.
stymeedone
Being within the rules of MLB, and being illegal according to REAL law, are not mutually exclusive. Just because MLB didn’t specifically cover the situation in its rules, does not mean it would not fall under conspiracy or fraud laws. Nothing was pursued in this instance, for whatever reasons.
Pads Fans
I think you should go to your local public library and do a little study on the laws concerning this subject. If it was not against the rules of the game then its not fraud.
Nothing was pursued in that case because there was nothing that could be pursued. MLB was not going to win that one if the MLBPA said no and they certainly would since workplace rules and the consequences of breaking those rules must be collectively bargained in advance.
Samuel
Rocky;
Beltran is the one that engineered it, yet you and others constantly ignore that. Why?
Moneyballer
Met’s would have so much firepower on one team with correa in his prime! That team stays healthy and they’re winning A LOT! Question is can their 40 year old aces stay in form the whole year?! They both got rocked in the playoffs this past year. Personally, I’d probably give up both for a healthy DeGrom. Most wouldn’t though.
drewm
Having your medical information paraded in the press sounds like a HIPAA violation
claude raymond
What if the paradER is the paradEE? “He just hit my plate,” Correa told reporters. “I had surgery and he hit it. Just kind of felt numb. Vibrating. So I was just waiting for it to calm down. It was a little scary, but when I moved I knew it was good.”
websoulsurfer
You keep posting that and yet I cannot find it anywhere in articles from September. It seems to have started 3 days ago.
claude raymond
It’s possible the quote didn’t occur in September. He may have recently said it (the Athletic story) in response to the medical concerns Giants and Mets discovered. Web, when it happened its possible that no one asked him about it.
Pads Fans
It did. Someone posted it on here. A tweet by Dan Hayes. twitter.com/danhayesmlb/status/1572451692507189250
That is apparently the only place it had been been reported at the time because Hayes did not include it in his article that day or the next.
There was no injury at the time or treatment of the leg, because those things must be reported by the Twins to MLB and would be in the medical records received by both the Giants and the Mets.
GASoxFan
He engaged boras as his representative. Boras made the releases of information. Giants agreed with what boras said, wouldn’t elaborate.
Only releases, and, comments that led the press to the ankle issue started with boras.
When it’s your mouthpiece making the release… not really a violation
websoulsurfer
Boras never mentioned the ankle. That came from the press. They got that info from sources on the teams in question.
GASoxFan
Boras mentioned the ‘old injuries’ and the only significant old injury on record was the lower leg/ankle.
stymeedone
So prove it. Some one at the medical firm will get fired.
User 401527550
Have you not seen the daily injury report posted by mlb. There is a collective bargaining agreement covering baseball injuries. If the teams released a non baseball illness there would be a problem.
JoeBrady
Having your medical information paraded in the press sounds like a HIPAA violation
===========================
What information was disclosed? Outside of writers and fans speculating, I haven’t seen a single thing.
Rallyshirt
The status of the Mets’ agreement with Carlos Correa is the predominant story in MLB at the moment.
Sad.
bhambrave
I’m tired of Carlos Correa. Can’t we just get another article about Bryan Reynolds instead?
A's Fan
the article says the Giants pulled out, I had not read that or heard that. I was of the understanding they asked for more time and Boras said they had enough and went secured another contract offer. P do believe the Giants pulled their offer Boras took the position that acceptance had expired and opened negotiation again with other teams
TrillionaireTeamOperator
As I understand it, the Giants wanted to amend the offer and rescind the offer in its current form and that opened up an option Correa had in the preliminary agreement to then go back to negotiating with other teams on a non-exclusive basis- in other words the Giants were like “we wanna take this slow and be sure and before we hook up, we just want to clarify some concerns we have before we commit to this” and Correa and Boras responded with “so we’re no longer exclusive? I’m gonna go try to hook up with another team rather than make an effort to do this relationship the right way.” and then Boras texted the Mets like “You up?” and the Mets were like “Yeah. Wanna come over?” and then Correa came over and the Mets were like “I wanna see your results first.” and Correa was like “Aw baby, why you gotta be like that. Why does everybody wanna see my results? Can’t we just get this going?” and the Mets are like “if you’re clean, why not just show me your results?” and Correa is like “Believe me, I can perform right now, this instant.” and the Mets are like “that’s not what the concern is…. is this why the Giants broke it off with you?” and Correa is like “this is why I broke it off with the Giants. The Giants ask too many questions.” and the Mets are like “Well, now I have questions, too.” and Correa/Boras are like “Why does everybody want me to prove I’m not a risk to get into bed with!?” and the Mets are like “because you don’t want to prove it and when we ask for proof we see iffy results” etc. etc.
Look the analogy might be a little crass but seriously, this is the gist of what is going on.
Mystery Team
It’s exactly what’s going on and Correa and Boras are looking sketchy and the Mets are looking dumb. The Giants looked dumb as well just offering that kind of deal to Correa but at least they got out clean.
websoulsurfer
Teams get a set amount of time after submitting a letter of agreement to the league to do their due diligence on the player including getting a physical, to execute the contract. The Giants failed to get that accomplished, so Boras was free to negotiate with other teams.
petefrompp
Again – you keep harping on the timeline when there are zero details of the timeline available.
Please post the factual details of where the Gants postponed the physical until Monday December 19th .
I; will wait for your post
King Floch
The A’s are gonna swoop in any second now and scoop him up for pennies on the dollar!
dubtastic
and then flip him at trade deadline for 10 prospects that won’t pan out!
Tomas7
Sign him and get it done, we need him in the lineup!!!
ArianaGrandSlam
How about give him a 11-year contract which begins from 2024. Give the poor guy a year off next year so he can heal.
WAR overrated... shows how bad is the replacement? Assigned by?
twitter.com/danhayesmlb/status/1572451692507189250
Took a sec, but Carlos Correa quickly realized his surgically-repairs ankle was OK. #MNTwins
“He just hit my plate. … Just kind of felt numb, vibrating. So I was just waiting for it to calm down. It was a little scary, but when I moved I knew I was good.”
1:04 AM · Sep 21, 2022
claude raymond
Thx WAR, please ignore my post above. If there was ever a chance to raise a red flag, that should have been it. My 2 cents, Giants were so hell bent on getting Correa after Judge used them that they put the cart in front of the horse. IE, Judge says no, Correa says yes, Giants say fantastic and don’t expect doctor indifference. People want to bash them, but can you blame them.
Pads Fans
Thank you. Finally a link to the actual quote.
PKCasimir
If ever there was an indicator that one should not take any reporting of these matters seriously it’s Mike Puma’s statement that there is a 55% chance of the Mets/Boras deal being done. Not 50%, Not 57.5% but 55%. Yeah, right.
nailz#4life
man, he should have never installed that buzzer to replace is heart beat . Those energizer batteries don’t keep going forever !!
believeitornot
He won’t turn 29 until next September. However, I still think giving a 12 year contract to him is insane even if there wasn’t a possible medical issue. I am guessing it will be a nine year contract and then two team options.
tigerdoc616
Two teams now have had an issue with apparently the same medical issue. If the reporting is accurate on this, I can see why. My biggest problem is why was Correa even offered this contract by the Mets? We ALL knew there was an issue that caused his Giants deal to fall through. If we knew, the Mets had to know and know a lot more than us fans. Irresponsible of them to make that offer and then raising the issue again after his physical.
VirginiaGiant
Because Scott Boras is a shyster lawyer and Steve Cohen is an idiot!
believeitornot
The Mets had to know there was a potential medical issue. However, maybe they figured their doctors would not think it was potentially as serious as the Giants doctors thought. What surprises me is that the Mets knew of a potential problem and still signed him for 12 years and knocking just one year off. I could understand 10 years but not 12.. Every team knew of the potential issue. He was not going to get more than 10 years from another team.
RockinRobin
Getting the feeling the contract with the Mets will be adjusted.
Or…wait! Signs with the Red Sox! (No)
foppert
David Samson (who is my new favourite informative podcast guy – thankyou random DBacks fan – great call), suggests it’s currently a negotiation between the MLB and the Union on the contract guarantee language. MLB being at a position that any future injury to that leg voids your guarantee. Union being at no chance. Cohen being at I don’t care.
JoeBrady
I don’t think there is any chance that the union can say no chance. There are always ways to structure deals like this. $120M/3, with a $120M/3 player option that triggers with 435 games, with 145 of them being in year three. Which in turn triggers a second player option with the same number.
Teamspirit
The guy is a superstar. Any team that signs him will be glad they did.
VonPurpleHayes
Mets fans: “Glad we moved on from deGrom. He’s a serious health risk.”
Also Mets fans: “Hope the Correa deal goes through today.”
AgeeHarrelsonJones
Longtime Met fan here VPH. Yes, I am glad the Mets moved on from deGrom, but thought Cohen might have been psychotic when he was seduced by Boras’s overtures after his client was spurned by the Giants. I am not surprised that Cohen’s impulsive behavior has created this kerfuffle (thats all it is) and will be delighted when the Mets acquire a true 3B, Devers, when the time is right. Btw – I enjoy your posts which is why I read this one! Usually agree with you but not this time.
VonPurpleHayes
I’m just teasing here. Every fanbase is hypocritical at times.
User 401527550
No I wanted Degrom to stay and wanted Baty to be third basemen next year.
Ma4170
Life long Met fan saying please get let him walk if at all possible. Good player, nowhere near worth this type of investment IMO, and obviously there are too many risks for a long-term deal. Go with what you have, let Baty develop, and go for one of the big FA next year. If Machado opts out, he already has a great relationship w/ Buck, and has already put up strong offensive numbers in a pitchers park.
JoeBrady
, Jon Heyman of the New York Post wrote that some other teams had touched base with the player’s representatives
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I doubt it. If there were that many teams interested, then Correa would not have hooked up with the NYMs the day after the SFG deal fell through.
And if the “other teams” didn’t reach out to Boras after the SFG said no, why would they call him now that two teams have said no.
IMO, exactly -0- teams will make an offer until they see the medicals. There is absolutely no point in offering $200M/6, for example, contingent on a medical that you know will raise questions.
VonPurpleHayes
I think the Twins are definitely one of the teams.
Dr2022
Heyman is not a reputable source anymore. He’s click bait.
pmollan
Simple answer; stop giving ball players decade long contracts.
jakec77
I haven’t seen this reported one way or the other- can the Mets get insurance on the contract?
If the answer is no, then that pretty much tells you everything you need to know, and they need to walk away or seriously re-do the deal.
If they can- while that doesn’t solve all of the team’s concerns, I can see where Correa isn’t going to want to budge.
Samuel
jakec77;
See above.
It’s very difficult to get insurance on players, and if teams do it’s expensive and only covers a part of their salaries. Very few teams insure players. That’s why when a guy is out all season you see
articles about the team being responsible for the amount on his contract.
I doubt very much that any insurance company would take Correa’s contract on.
Tribefan4life
Agreed!
Tribefan4life
IMO signing players to 10+ year long contracts is very risky. Sure it locks the player up long term, but there’s no guarantee they’ll play the same even after 5 years or get a career ending injury during those years.
We’ll have to wait and see how this pans out.
Augusto Barojas
If Correa and Boras are being rigid about his contract length and dollars due to a second team potentially backing out of a deal based on his medical exam… I mean, what are they smoking? It doesn’t seem like being rigid is the way to go for him now, nobody’s going to give him a similar deal in terms of dollars and years after two teams backed out. He should at least be flexible and willing to adjust at this point. Just allow a clause to protect the Mets in the instance the leg is a problem, easy-peasey. I hope he stays in NY, personally.
VonPurpleHayes
They’re only being rigid because Cohen very publicly talked about the deal already in official terms. Correa has a case to say that dollar commitment is binding. Without that very public blunder, the Mets would have all the power to tweak the deal in their favor.
Attempt218
Exactly; had Cohen not made those comments, we’d likely be seeing a different story play out.
slimray
this isnt a big deal. all correa has to do, is go back to twins on 3 year deal with an opt out.then we start over again next year.everybody wins
GiantsMetsBeavers
On occasion, Boras digs his heels in too firmly. Maybe have Correa talk to Michael Conforto to see how that works out.
slimray
as a rays, orioles and jays fan i want him to stay in new york as well.id love him to be on the yankees for 12 years,so we could all laugh.unfortanate for me,and fortunatly for yankee fans steinbrenners and cashman are not that dumb.
BenBenBen
I don’t think “there’s remained optimism” is grammatically correct.
Joe S
Now that Correa has shown his willingness to okay 3rd, Phillies are jumping in for 10/300 deal which states leg won’t be part of physical…I can dream right.
slimray
if your a philly fan, you do not want him.hes not worth it.unless, its for 1-3 year contract
stansfield123
>one source pegging the odds of him landing in Queens around 55%
I wonder how much it hurts when someone pulls a big, spiky number, with jagged edges like that, out of their ass.
slimray
28in29 just reported that the yankees offered him 5 years.that does sound more reasonable for a good player, not great, but good.if this is true, good deal for the yanks.
Dr2022
It would be nice, but I doubt it. The Yankees are already up against the next tier of the luxury tax. I’m sure that they do not want to exceed that one too. Which this would certainly do. They are looking for cheaper options. Of course if they could unload the Donaldson contract, then it would be different. But that’s doubtful.
RegularEd 2
Seems like the right time for the Orioles’ Mike Elias to swoop in and offer him a 1yr/$11mm “prove it” deal. /s