TODAY: The Mets officially announced Senga’s deal.
DECEMBER 10: The Mets have agreed to a five-year, $75MM deal with right-hander Kodai Senga, SNY’s Andy Martino reports (Twitter links). Senga’s contract also has no-trade protection and an opt-out clause following the 2025 season, as per The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal (via Twitter). The deal will become official when Senga passes a physical. Senga is represented by the Wasserman Agency.
The contract figure exactly matches the projection from MLBTR, as Senga ranked 11th on the list of the offseason’s Top 50 Free Agents. There is no further posting fee involved in the Mets’ costs, since Senga became a full free agent after exercising an opt-out clause in his contract with Nippon Professional Baseball’s Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks.
Senga turns 30 in January, and he leaves the Hawks after 11 outstanding seasons. The righty has a 2.59 ERA, 28.22% strikeout rate, and 9.33% walk rate over 1089 innings at Japan’s highest level. Senga’s four-pitch arsenal is highlighted by an excellent splitter and a fastball that routinely hits the upper-90s. Scouting reports indicate that Senga’s control is sometimes inconsistent, but otherwise, many pundits feel his stuff can translate quite well to North American baseball.
It was just over a year ago that Senga signed a new five-year deal with the Hawks, but with the important proviso of the opt-out clause that he was widely expected to use, assuming he amassed the necessary service time needed for full free agency. That was a key step in the process, as the Hawks (unlike several other NPB teams) don’t make their players available for the NPB/MLB posting system. In discussing his plan to move to North American baseball, Senga said last year that “as a ballplayer, it’s essential to live my life always aiming higher,” and it can be argued that he more than achieved his goals in Japanese baseball. The right-hander’s resume includes five Japan Series titles with the Hawks, three NPB All-Star appearances, two placements on the Pacific League’s Best Nine team, and (outside of league play) an Olympic gold medal with Japan’s baseball team in 2021.
Between Senga’s potential and the overall demand for pitching this offseason, it isn’t surprising that multiple teams were monitoring his market. The Red Sox, Blue Jays, Dodgers, Giants, Mariners, and Padres were the other clubs known to have interest, and agent Joel Wolfe implied that as many as a dozen MLB teams had checked in on his client. Multiple five- and six-year offers were on the table for Senga, and while he elected for a five-year option from the Mets, the opt-out allows Senga the possibility of re-entering the market and possibly landing extra years and more money as he enters his age-33 season.
Heading into the offseason, the Mets faced the challenge of a large free agent class that included a star closer (Edwin Diaz) and most of the bullpen altogether, their starting center fielder (Brandon Nimmo), and the majority of their starting rotation in the form of Jacob deGrom, Taijuan Walker, and Chris Bassitt. However, with the Winter Meetings only just passed, New York has already addressed most of those holes by re-signing Diaz and Nimmo, and replacing that trio of starters with Justin Verlander, Jose Quintana, and now Senga. If that wasn’t enough, the Mets further bolstered the relief corps by signing David Robertson and acquiring Brooks Raley in a trade from the Rays.
There wasn’t any doubt that owner Steve Cohen was prepared to keep spending in order to keep his 101-game winning team in line to be World Series contenders. However, the spending spree has just continued to reach record levels, as Roster Resource projects the Mets for a 2023 payroll of roughly $334.68MM, and a luxury tax number of just over $349.5MM.
This not only dwarfs the $233MM Competitive Balance Tax threshold, it even soars past the fourth and highest ($293MM) tier of the CBT. The fourth tier was instituted in the last collective bargaining agreement as a further penalty for excessive spending, and was unofficially nicknamed the “Steve Cohen Tax” given how the owner made no secret of his intentions to heavily increase payroll. Since this is the Mets’ second consecutive year of tax overage, they’ll face a two-time repeater penalty, as well as a 90 percent overage tax on any dollar spent beyond the $233MM mark. This works out to around $104.85MM in tax penalty — according to Fangraphs, 11 teams currently aren’t slated to spend more than $104.85MM on their entire 2023 payrolls.
With the Mets already in uncharted financial territory, even more big moves could possibly be in store for Cohen and GM Billy Eppler. Since the luxury tax doesn’t appear to be any more than a speed bump to the Amazins’ plans, the club might continue to add high-priced talent, and not even bother with trying to get under the $293MM threshold for any kind of mild lessening of its CBT bill.
On paper, the bullpen looks like it could use some more reinforcement, and catcher also looks like a weaker position except top prospect Francisco Alvarez is expected to get more big league playing time in 2023. The rotation now looks completely set with Max Scherzer, Verlander, Senga, Quintana, and Carlos Carrasco making up the starting five. Speculatively, the Mets might even feel comfortable enough in their depth to shop one of their backup starters (i.e. David Peterson, Tylor Megill, Elieser Hernandez) in trade talks with a pitching-needy team. Or, given the older ages and some of the injury uncertainty surrounding the Mets’ starters, New York might also simply opt to retain as much pitching depth as possible.
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Lets gooooooooooooooooo
MLBTR basically wrote this contract.
Fantastic. All we need now are a few pen guys and a Trey Mancini utility type with a decent bat and we’re looking darn good for 2023.
The same could be said for Texas, though they are obviously not quite there. Still, a Pythagorean win loss of 77-85 (15-35 in 1 run games) and these additions can help get them into wild card contention.
They still won’t make the playoffs
And the Angels will make the playoffs. Right?
People really act like they didn’t win 101 games last year
King
I’m almost positive Geo is being sarcastic. I’m 99.9% sure of it.
All Time Chokers they need fresh blood when they looked stale when something happened ,,,
People also remember a 101 win team that choked away the division and lost in the wild card round
As a Mets’ fan, I’d give Atlanta credit where it’s due. The Mets were winning series consistently all season and had an insane record when they scored 4 or more runs (only 5-10 losses, I believe), but Atlanta went on an insane tear from June onward. The Phillies kept pace as best as they could, snuck into the last wildcard sport and took the pennant before falling in the WS. If any of those three land in third place this season yet still makes the playoffs, it could take the same route and even win the WS.
Unless Steve’s directly using my money, I don’t care how much he spends. I want to see another championship or at least another WS appearance faster than the current pattern during my lifetime. I was born the day the Mets lost the 1973 World Series to Reggie Jackson’s Oakland A’s. They made the WS 13 years later and won. They next made it 14 years after that and lost. They followed that with an appearance 15 years after that and lost again. Following the current pattern, they wouldn’t get back there under 2031. I sure hope they beat that pace.
phenomenalajs;
“The best-laid plans of mice and men often go astray.”
Robert Burns
Go ahead & cry
Not to bright are ya?
Too
Too funny
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Will be fun watching them crash and burn.
With that pitching? If they don’t make the playoffs, they better of had three blown elbows in that rotation. I mean that starting 3 should walk in to the playoffs barring a couple of injuries.
“they better of had”… Lord Almighty, that hurts to read. Do you know what the word “of” means?
Why do you care?
Funniest thing i read today! Now only we make the playoffs but we win the division
Wow.
Holy smokes. Well kudos to Cohen, he’s not afraid to spend money AT ALL.
OK Cashman, time to close the deal with Rodon. Chop chop.
Correa 🙂 Evil Empire needs a Evil Player
We’re not signing Correa, I can almost guarantee that. First, the team still needs a left fielder and a starting pitcher. They cost money that a Correa contract would completely soak up. Second, nobody in the fan base has forgotten how CC was one of the ringleaders in the cheating scandal. They would hate his guts and the team chemistry itself would suffer.
No, it’s best to look elsewhere
Just like in Minny, I don’t think they would hate Correa. Hopefull it’s time for the rest of the baseball world to get on board towards forgiveness. He’s a great player who made a groupthink horrible decision.
Correa and the Yanks is destiny. You become what you hate. The Mets are the late 90s Yankees without the chips (so far). The Yankees must become the 2017 Astros. It’s fate.
We must not forget his comment about Derek Jeter – rightly so or not. CC has poor ethics and respect for baseball and for members of the hall of fame, with numbers in the regular season and post season that CC will never have. CC doesn’t have the leadership and respect that Jeter had playing baseball on and off the field. CC would never make a team play like Jeter did on game 3 ALCS 2001.
I honestly do not know what he said about Jeter. Is it Michael Jordan-Dennis Rodman level? Muhammad Ali-Sugar Ray Robinson level, or Joe Namath-Randy Moss? Many of the greats did it and will only doing it, because it’s entertainment.
Wow. What a rotation! 5 year 75M isn’t bad on the surface, but on top of the Mets current financial state, I think it’s pretty nuts. Pretty sure they’ll have to let Alonso and McNeil walk down the road to get under the tax, but in the mean time…best rotation in baseball by far. Cohen is a mad man. Congrats Mets fans.
Okay Ive officially come around – the league needs a darn cap.
5/75 seems like a steal with the SP market, even though Senga’s never pitched in MLB yet. Love the move!
5/75 is great, but in the Mets case, it’s almost 5/150 because of the tax penalties.
Yes but this seems like a surprisingly reasonable contract
Yup. Love the deal. Wish my team made it.
He might be good. Or he could be another Kikuchi.
And Farhan sits on the sideline again. What a joke
In fairness, we don’t know if/what the Giants offered for Senga. And as Giants fans are finding out, unless Farhan is willing to massively overpay, no higher end talent wants to be the sole star on this otherwise lackluster roster.
You can have Ruf back for a box of baseballs.
Cohen means business. Dude wants to win and has no problem spending his money. I like it.
payroll now at $348,000,000
Wow. Farhan Zaidi is failing badly. Note to other teams: don’t hire an ex-A’s executive
Zaidi was a bad hire in San Francisco. He belongs in a small market.
He’s entering his 5th season and has only fielded a winning team above .500 one time. Ugh
And now, he’s got some room to spend money and he’s completely incompetent in reading / adjusting to the volatile FA Market
Both Zaidi and Chaim Bloom belong in small markets.
They’re out of their depth in their current roles.
It definitely wasn’t a bad hire but I do agree a small market would be better for him.
East Coast took Zaidi to school .
Where he looks to have flunked out .
He should be fired. 21 was a complete random joke, wouldn’t happen again in 100 years. He’s struck out with any quality free agent he’s went after, and declined to go after at least 25 quality free agents the giants could use. The only good FA signing he made pitched like a cy young and is now leaving without the giants even trying to retain him.
And the farm hasn’t developed. Fire him. The team will be bad regardless but at least they can try to build a reputation again as a team who wants to do whatever it takes to win.
Chipsss and eveeryone else…..
Mr. Zaidi struck out not because he doesn’t have the money to pay the salaries or because he’s not a great salesperson – he struck out because his major league team and farm system ae so poor that no free agent looking for a minimum of a 5 year contract is going to get stuck on a team of utility players, mostly so-so pitchers, and a farm system with few players that are major league ready. The guy would be demanding a trade by his 2nd year. Why go through the hassle? Just interview with them so the players agent can use the Giants to run up his salary demands to other teams.
Now hopefully they trade away Carrasco and put Peterson in the rotation, Megill in Triple A if someone gets hurt. Rotation: Scherzer Verlander Senga Quintana Peterson
Maybe.
But I’d be ok with keeping Carrasco with Peterson in the bullpen as a longman/swing starter.
As a practical matter, every team should assume it is going to need 40 starts from pitchers other than their initial projected top 5, so might as well keep the depth.
@jakec77 I’m really not a big fan of Carrasco, I don’t think hes that good. Pitches decent vs terrible teams. Gets obliterated by the good teams. Would rather have Peterson take his spot with Megill as insurance. The Mets can sell high on Carrasco and trade him for relief help
Sell high?
Carrasco isn’t currently worth his contract. $14M for a 36yr old starter with an ERA barely under 4. Teams won’t be interested unless Cohen pays down his contract (which shouldn’t be too much of a problem considering how much the Mets spend now.)
My question is why did Cohen bother picking up the offer if he knew he was going to go all out and bring in 3 new pitchers? Could’ve saved 14M and let Peterson take his spot.
I assume he brought it these pitchers for two reasons:
1) Two of your pitchers are over 40
2) last season you guys got hit hard with injuries,
So, I think he’s looking to safeguard against the latter, while also providing some protection for the former for the postseason.
Yeah for sure. Not sure why anyone who’s a Mets fan and has followed baseball in the last ten years wants to trade Carrasco. He’s a great clubhouse presence and always produces above avg results when taking the mound. Can you pencil him in for 200 innings? Absolutely not. But he’ll give you 125-150 and 10-15 wins. He’s not trash. One of the better 4th starters in all of baseball and roster worthy in fantasy leagues
@Lyman Bostock Watching Carrasco pitch every start is like Kenley Jansen closing games. Both can’t get out of an inning without making it interesting
Kikuchi waiting to happen.
Or Kei Igawa. Or Dice K. Or….
Or Tanaka, or Darvish, or Ryu, or Ichiro…wait.
Ryu is Korean, not Japanese.
Still a posted player with no MLB experience though.
Yeah and he has also never dated my sister, so they have that in common too. But still outside the category of Japanese League starting pitchers that I was going for.
Kikuchi was bad in the MLB too, that was Atkins fault.
Look..He had a great year in Japan last year..but prior to that he was a mid to high 2/mid 3 era guy, who averages 23 starts or so/year..So what does that equate to in MLB? My guess is high 3’s/low 4’s..which makes him a 4th or 5th starter in my opinion..with an upside of a borderline 3rd..with injury concerns..Is that solid? Yes. Is that worth all the hype? No. Y’all can get hyped all you want..but betcha this blows up on the Mets faces..
PS-I’m a Padres fan, and I’ve been saying for weeks to get someone proven instead of taking a flier on him.
People who say he is an ace don’t watch NPB at all.
I actually watch NPB. He is a solid mid rotation piece maybe. You not getting an ace but of course, they didn’t pay ace money. I watched a lot of him. Their is a chance he could be very bad over here and a very little chance he will dominate. He is not “ that guy”
I watch NPB as well. He was the ace of his staff for years. He put on a show in the WVC. His walk rate is a bit high, but the velocity is still up. He definitely has top of the rotation potential in the US. He’s not Ohtani. He’s not Darvish. He’s still very good. People are definitely overselling him, but you’re underselling him.
@tippin: You’ve been saying for weeks? What is your experience and role in MLB front office work? Being fans gives us zero credibility.
At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if every headline from here to Spring Training was “Mets to Sign…”
they seem to have a 60-man roster so it fits.
The Mets are outta control. Can’t blame them. It’s been 37 years. Hope they know what they are doing. Better to the Mets then the Red Sox!
Bet they still blow a 14 game lead
It was 10 or 10.5
Well 14 is something to strive for in 2023 then.
I thought Taillon and Senga would get about the same, seems about what this market should bear.
Imagine feeling the need to have a 350+ payroll and choke artist manager just to try to beat one team. HAAAAA…..
No one desires a 350 mil payroll. The “need,” the “feeling” is to win the division, the pennant and World Series – and to do that right now requires a lot of spending until the farm can produce sustainable success so Mets don’t have to spend so much on high priced free agents.
How much money do they have lmao. It’s funny to compare them with the poverty franchises that have like a 30-40M payroll
Well, he’s off to a good start. He made the Giants swing and miss again.
Nice one.
And the money keeps on flowing…
Wow, Cohen definitely means business..
Good grief, they could have one NASTY rotation.
Great time to be Mets fan. Rather amazing.
Wow, he must have wanted the Mets and not $$$ for some reason. Can’t imagine his other suitors wouldn’t have beat that offer.
Five years is LONG for a dude who’s never pitched in the majors. Actually it’s pretty long for any pitcher. Very few teams have the spending capacity to do that while realizing it may be entirely sunk cost.
Not really, same thing Seiya Suzuki got. Would have expected a lot more for a tier 1b starting pitcher in this year’s contracts. Maybe I’m biased as a bitter Cubs fan whose wealthy owners don’t spend and kick guys like Willson and Rizzo to the curb.
He’s not a tier 1b starting pitcher?
Being able to opt out at 33 probably helped.
Now all the Giants need is for the Dodgers to sign Correa, and they have officially become a AAA team in the show! Haha
Rodon to Yankees will be the final East Coast insult to Farhan
I hope you’re right. From what I’m hearing via the “insider sources” the only holdup to Yankees signing Rodon is the 7th year. Yanks are at 5. I have a feeling it will be 6/$130 with some type of option & buyout clause.
But this begs the question: for that much money, why were the Yankees *not* all in on Senga who was amenable to playing in NY for far less?
The only logical conclusion I can come to is that the Yankees think Rodon is better and are willing to pay the premium to get him. It’s so foreign to how they’ve operated it gives me pause though.
I just wish they could recognize that pitchers from SF and the like won’t be as good in Yankee stadium.
I’m sick of getting 3’s the Yankees think are 1’s.
Rodan is a nice 3 and a great guy to help you get to the playoffs. AKA – exactly what the Yankees don’t need.
Also exactly what they shouldn’t need if their pitching development staff is viable. Develop the kids or go find real jobs.
YC, after getting burned by signing Igawa, the Yankees over the past 20 years only target the premier-level Japanese players. Think Tanaka and Matsui, both who they signed, and Ohtani, who they didn’t.
Senga has high-end potential, but he’s definitely considered second tier because of his command and control issues that could expose him in MLB. Many talent evaluators are not sold that he can stick in the rotation in MLB. His velocity is special in Japan, allowing him to overpower many lineups, but MLB hitters can handle velocity and will spit on his secondary pitches if he’s behind. There’s definitely front-end potential in his arm, but there’s equal potential that he might be limited to a reliever. A real good reliever with closer potential, but a reliever nonetheless, and the Mets have a closer.
The Yankees won’t want to spend $15MM for a potential question mark. They’d rather spend $30MM for a known ace-level pitcher.
Senga is not the Yankees type. They will be all in on Yoshinobu Yamamoto if he’s posted in the next year or two. He’s the best pitcher in Japan, someone who would immediately front a MLB rotation without the question marks Senga brings.
Excellent summary, thanks man!
This only works Clipper if they go and complete the signing of Rodon. And we still don’t know who is playing LF. When is Hal returning from Italy? 🙂
Did you mean 6/180? That is a low aav for top starter.
Un-freaking believable. At this rate, the Mets might have a $400MM payroll by opening day. That said, don’t we all wish Steve Cohen was our favorite team’s owner.
If you include luxury tax, they already do. Right around $400m. That’s currently double what the freakin’ Dodgers have on their payroll.
I wish he was my dad.
@Von I highly doubt they let Pete walk he is the face of the franchise. There is no way Cohen doesn’t keep Pete in Orange and Blue if he wants to start and finish his career as a Met he is already beloved Like David Wright was and is a matter of time before he is the next Captain.
It’s about reseting the Tax penalty. Cohen cannot realistically have a 90% tax penalty every year. I know he’s rich, but he would literally be losing money on the New York Mets which is pure insanity. The reason most of the deals are only for 3 years is because Cohen’s plan is to completely reset and get under the luxury tax threshold (or at least get under the highest level of it). I think the extensions of McNeil and Alonso will create a hurdle in that regard. Cohen is using the Dodgers as his model, and we just saw the Dodgers let a number of stars walk so they could reset while remaining competitive. I think the Mets will follow this path. It’s a smart plan.
Cohen doesn’t need a total reset.
in 2025 about 150 comes off the books
@mookkesboy That’s not counting the continued tax penalties, arbitration, FA signings, trade + extensions…etc. I give the Mets about a 60% chance of getting Ohtani by season’s end.
the Dodgers never gave out long term contracts like the Mets are doing, at least not until Mookie. That was like 8 years after ownership took over. It’s harder to dip under when you have several big contracts on the books long term.
@ Fred
The opening day payroll for the Dodgers in 2015 was 266 million. Your right in that the Dodgers didn’t go all out on free agents, but they did flex their financial muscles by acquiring high priced players through trade and ended the season with a 316 million dollar payroll that year. And that was in 2015!! It took another team 7 years to finally surpass that. Inflation from 2015 to now alone makes it more than fair.
Solid points Von. There is no way they can maintain this type of spending and have it be sustainable. He’s throwing so much money around but he’s not stupid
There are other financial reasons in play. Cohen is favored to land a casino in the Mets complex and start building the area around citi field. The Mets success will lead to other financial gold mines for Cohen.
Multiple opt outs, so if he’s any good it’s a 1 year deal.
I did tell the staff in their livechat the other week that Cohen was gonna spend WAY more than they thought…
Was hoping the Cardinals would sign him but deep down knew it would never happen. I think he’s going to be great for you guys. What a roster.
The rich get richer. Who’s Next Rodon ?
Technically the rich got poorer as they had to pay lots of money in taxes.
101 regular season wins: $350 million
Losing in the 1st round of the playoffs: priceless
Steve Cohen happy billionaire fan owner
Let’s keep making the playoffs: awesome
Love comments like these. Let’s ignore the fact that the Dodgers and Braves BOTH lost in the 1st round of the playoffs last year as well.
But the Mets chocked, blah, blah, blah. Nothing to do with the fact that the Braves payed over .700 baseball from July onward. You do that, you make up deficits. I’ll concede that the three game series at the end of the year in Atlanta when they just needed to win one game could be considered a choke or maybe the Braves were just the better team.
I find it amusing that three years ago it was lol Mets on every thread about them. Now it’s Cohen’s ruining baseball and money won’t buy championships. As others have pointed out, Cohen is doing exactly what he said he would do. Spend lots of money to be competitive until the farm is built up. He’s executing his plan. And if you think the small market team owners are upset, I beg to differ. After all, every new contract he executes adds more money to their pockets through revenue sharing.
Neither the Braves or Dodgers lost in the first round. They both had byes the first round. The Mets, on the other hand, by blowing a 10.5 game lead, had to play in the first round and lost.
Since we are being literal, let’s unpack your response. Yes, the Mets lost in the first round of the playoffs. The Braves and Dodgers played in the second round which was their first series in the postseason and both lost to teams that finished 14 and 22 games behind them respectively. In the Braves case, games 4 and 5 weren’t even close. Of course neither one of those teams “choked” against teams they handled in the regular season. The other teams got hot which explains their losses.
I conceded that the Mets “choke” was the the 3 game series in Atlanta. But this narrative that the Mets blew a 10.5 game lead is frankly dismissive to how well the Braves played. Just look at the W-L% from June onward:
Mets Braves
June .520 .778
July .680 .692
August .633 .643
September. .577 .692
October .600 .600
The bulk of the deficit was made up in June when the Braves played almost .800 baseball. The fact is, it would be incredibly difficult for any team to have held a lead under these circumstances.
Some people just hate the Mets… and until their big spending the last two offseasons, I’m not sure why
If you are a NYM fan, you have to be out of your mind thrilled. But some (not all) NYM fans can find misery in even the best news. It is set to be a helluva ride in the NL east this year – on paper. All the clubs likely to have injuries and who can compensate best for them will likely triumph
Agreed. Injuries and I’ll add unexpected underperformance. Always the two downfalls of any “good team on paper” in baseball
What about the unexpected over performances? Or do you expect the#1 and #19 prospects in baseball to hit .200 with no home runs this year.
I’m a Mets fan. Was just pointing out the two things that can go wrong with a baseball team that’s good on paper. I’m excited about our prospects too!
As a met fan, I’m expecting pretty significant contributions from both. Really hoping they live up to their prospect status.
Good day it is, now I see why it’s going to rain tomorrow lol future braves fans & staff tears when Mets are in town.
I would hope by now that Mets and Phillies fans know better than to count the Braves out during the offseason. Mets fans should be pumped about these moves, but the NLE is still very much Atlanta’s house until someone takes it away.
Von, agreed. That’s why my handle is about the Braves. We (my Mets) haven’t done anything yet. Thrilled that Cohen is bridging the gap by buying the moon until the farm is providing a another source of excellence, but until we get past the Beaves, it’s their division (and the Phillies’ now as well!)
Mets fans really should be more worried about winning the World Series bc it’s that or bust with the money being spent. The Phillies showed the division title has been devalued in ways and now division teams play each other less. Wouldn’t be surprised if they trash the division in the future and just go AL NL standings
SocoComfort;
I wouldn’t be surprised if they went to divisions of 3 teams. It gives the illusion that each team is contending.
Tommy John in late June.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Verlander/Scherzer/Carrasco/Quintana/Senga is a very interesting rotation. Lots of question marks surrounding health on the front three and performance on the back two but definitely the most interesting rotation the Mets have assigned since arguably Gooden/Saberhagen/Cone/Fernandez/Schourek in 1992
I think Senga becomes the #3. Carrasco likely gets traded. Peterson/Megill fill out the 6th spot and/or fill in for injuries.
Interesting but definately not scaring anyone.
I’m sitting here seeing a lot of the top free agents taken off the board and wondering where Bloom’s going to get “seven, eight, nine players”….
Minor league deals with invites to Spring Training?
Ugh, unfortunately I think you’re right.
I thought he would get more
Perry Minasian you messed up. This was the move you needed to make. 15 mil a year for this guy is a steal and mark my words he will be the Mets #1 next year.
Not so simple, Japanese players are tough to predict. Many come here to fall flat. With limited payroll space you have to be sure. It’s telling no other team beat 15/5.
It’s not telling. NPB pitchers are regularly underestimated. Also, people who watch both MLB and NPB games on a regular basis can tell who will easily make the move and who won’t.
This is one of the guys who will thrive. Mets got a bargain.
Tell that to all the MLB teams who lost their investments on other Japanese players. You are probably right about him, but markets are efficient and telling.
NPB position players are arguably more risky. Pitchers have a much better track record but I will concede half of them come as experienced relief pitchers. Of course there are a few pitchers who didn’t hit the mark, but far more did and found a lot of success.
The guy with command issues will thrive? That will surprise me.
He could be Tanaka or he could be Irabu
It’s tiring to hear Japanese players labelled in such a way.
“He’s either like this guy who did good or this guy who did bad!”
He has a solid splitter and cutter which will generate a lot of swing and miss. He will tear up guys who just wanna hit bombs but might struggle against guys with a lot of patience. He can throw deceptively harder than guys might expect and generates a lot of bad contact. He sometimes has control issues and has been known to stay aggressive even with 3 balls and this can lead to above average walks.
Ahhh excuse me everyone if I am prickly about this.
I haven’t been this sour about a signing in a long time.
You think he’s going to leapfrog over Verlander $ Scherzer?
I dont think they will place him as 1st in the rotation, but by the end of the season he will arguably be their most reliable starter. He wont lead in strikeouts but likely in Wins, and WHIP. Probably with a 2.8 – 3.2 ERA.
Verlander and Scherz will both have IL stints, pitch less innings, have a ton of strikeouts but their WHIP will decline and they will be seen as lights out every once in a while and average in all the other games. Senga will just be consistently good.
Senga tends to walk a lot of batters. So I don’t see him having a better WHIP than the Mets aces.
Once mlb guys start to get an eye for his stuff I can see him walking 1 per 3 innings or so. At first though, I think he will have a lot of swing n miss alongside poor contact.
Also, dont get me wrong. I think Scherzer and Verlander are awesome. Good old school guys that I have loved to watch deal over the years.
I cant help but notice Scherzer getting fatigued faster. Verlander will be excellent at times but I can’t help but feel he will hit some roadblocks from time to time in Citizens Bank Park where he gives up 4 HRS to the Phillies, 7 runs and takes an IL stint for 2 weeks to nurse “discomfort”
Im am however rooting for both to do well and this not to be the case.
@Troutfishing – nothing to back this up but I’m thinking it was less about fatigue and more about his oblique acting up again. Smoltz who may not be the best color guy, but knows pitching, commented that Scherzer wasn’t “finishing” his pitches. What I saw was fewer swings and misses in his last several starts as compared when he came back from the IL.
And the Mets have still spent less on the starting rotation than the Rangers this offseason.
Depends if you’re looking at AAV or total.
Obscene
He must’ve really wanted to play in New York. I can’t imagine any west coast team not giving him the same deal other than Oakland.
As a Mets fan, I wasn’t expecting him to sign, especially for that amount (seems low). I’m sure playing with Scherzer/Verlander, the Japanese community in NY and the opt out in 2025 we’re factors for him signing.
He’ll be nicknamed, “Sugoi Senga” after he gets the Cy Young education from Max an Ver. The Met’s an the Phils will be quite the watch next season. The haves, the small handful of super teams will leave the rest in the dust. Houston will the best in that league.
Well Detroit can sell off pieces for prospects to rebuild itself. Erod, an Baez are incredible bargains after this off season, so they might be moved too.
Stop me if you’ve heard it.
What do you call a half a billion first round exit?
Everyone says Cohen is losing money on the mets but they are not looking at his master plan which is to rehab/rebuild the area surrounding Citifield which includes adding a casino.
This is like what these bigger convenient stores do to bring in customers. They sell gas at a cost and maybe even at a slight loss to bring in customers to buy their overpriced “convenient” store items. He is going to have the mets and events at citifield which will bring in people to the area and well why not hit his casino and other businesses in the area.
Also for people that are complaining about why doesnt give some of this money to charities … he has given almost 1 billion dollars in charity through the steve and alex charity he is part of.
Posted this below:
Cohen’s net worth is 17.5 billion. 350 million is around 2% of his net worth.
For us common folk, that’s $2 dollars for every $100 we have, practically nothing for Cohen. It’s unreal to comprehend. Also, that doesn’t take into account any team income in 2024.
Flyby;
No doubt he’s making a joke of MLB – and up until the past week I loved the sport.
What you wrote is totally true. And I admire Mr. Cohen’s business savvy….which is legendary.
This is what pros sports are coming to. I was raised in Cleveland and have some friends there, including one in the sports media. He told me that Dan Gilbert – owner of the Cavs basketball team – talked publicly about the year they won the NBA championship with Lebron. They sold out just about every game – including the playoffs. But the payroll was so high that they lost between 1 and 2 million dollars. He didn’t care, because on the basketball floor was a print stating ‘Quicken Loans Area’. or ‘Quicken Home Loans’ – I forgot. Anyway, of course Mr. Gilbert owned Quicken Loans – an Internet and phone based home loan and refinancing business that was undercutting banks and other home financial services companies at the time. All through the year, into the playoff and beyond, his company made so much money because people around the country were calling for quotes that he viewed the Cavs as a loss-leader.
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This is what MLB is coming to as well as most pro sports – it’s simply not profitable enough for most individual owners to have a MLB franchise. The Angels are being sold because the owner couldn’t build around the park. The Nationals are up for sale because the time and investment to run that business is taking away the owners attention from the family real estate business which is far more lucrative. This childish nonsense about the owners getting rich on their teams…..just that. Both the Cards and soon the Cubs do it because they have investments around their parks. That’s where they make their big money….same as Mr. Cohen wants to do. Other teams are owned by large financial entities – and we see the Braves owners talking about selling their team, as well the Dodgers suddenly pulling back on their payroll….wouldn’t be at all surprised if the investment company that bought them puts them up for sale – that franchise must be worth 10 times what they paid for it….buy low / sell high.
Samuel
I agree with what you said above, but let be honest MLB knew what they were doing when they created the “Cohen” tax rate. He seems to be very competitive and he has the ability to for a lack of better words piss on the this rule if he so chooses. Would he have spent this much maybe but the fact that he can do this and basically get away with it for (atleast in his world) little punishment while driving the other mlb players nuts does not shock me. I fully expect a malicious compliance post from him.
I do think though just because his name is on the floor was a major deal because i have worked for multiple companies that have nothing to do with the team but have the naming rights they contracted for i think it was 25 years. I believe it was something like 25-30 million a year i heard but dont quote me on that and im sure its different on every stadium. It sucks for me in the end though, since my company had the name on the stadium friends and family would constantly ask “Can you get me tickets to the game or xyz show” which we do not get anything from that other than occasionaly they raffle off last minute tickets to games where no one wants to go to and xyz team just wants to fill it for tv purposes.
Flyby;
The Padres ae doing the same thing as the Mets, but the owner isn’t directly reaping financial benefits for another entity he owns.
We’ll see how that goes.
Markets have a way of working themselves out, no matter how those in charge try to manipulate them….and the more they manipulate them the more the rich get richer and there are more poor. That’s what’s been happening in DC the past few years. The people living there that are “helping” the rest of America are finding high paying jobs and getting rich, the rest of America is suffering with inflation, finding mostly lousy poor-paying jobs, and are cutting out things they used to do and buy.
and up until the past week I loved the sport.
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You’re over-reacting impo. There is a decent change that neither Cohen nor Preller finish 1s. And a pretty good chance neither make the WS.
No Joe……
I pulled away from the NFL and NBA years ago. Every once in a while I click the links above for ‘Hoops Rumors’ and ‘Pro Football Rumors’. I can’t believe all the legalities that have built up over the years. Can’t even explain them in this post.
Following pro sports is supposed to be fun. But there’s a lot of money there, and wherever there’s a lot of money the lawyers swarm to it. In a short period of time no one involved in any way recognizes the place.
The commissioner is already starting with the rules changes. It’s a gradual thing. Come see me in 5 years when the game doesn’t remotely resemble baseball.
At some point, teams should begin to lose draft picks when they go so far above the line.
Clearly, just being taxed more money isn’t really a deterrent enough for teams to continue spending crazy amounts of money. That said, I think for cases like this, if you put a limit to where if they cross it they’ll lose say a 3rd or 4th round pick and it’s slotted money, I think Owners would think twice before spending this insane amount of money..
Honestly, idk if it is good for the game or not, but the real test will be if Cohen continues paying the tax over and over the next few seasons. I imagine alot of that will have to do with whether or not he can buy his way into winning himself a championship, so I guess we shall just have to wait and see.
It’s very rare that the “offseason winners” actually win, but the Mets are reaching rarified Air with their payroll now, so who knows!?!
The tax penalties will have to be looked at again. The fact that this highest tier was specifically invented for Cohen and it’s having no impact, clearly means things will likely change.
Teams already are losing draft picks for certain free agents that they sign. So technically they already are penalized for going over
Pinstripe: The mistake many people are making is thinking the penalty tax is a cap, or trying to make it into a cap through penalties. It’s severe enough because it’s *not* a cap.
Incredibly, barely a second thought is given to the tanking teams that perpetuate these cycles, cherry picking top draft picks every year, bankrolling money for competitive balance, and intentionally creating a larger gap in competition and reducing competition for FA services.
The worst part is that every single reason people use for implementing a cap has years of evidence in other sports proving that caps will not achieve what they claim. For example:
Will it even competition? No.
Will it stop super-teams? No.
Will it stop dynastic runs? No.
Will it make bad teams better? No.
Will it balance playoff appearances league-wide? No.
Will it reduce prices for fans? No.
Will it reduce salaries? No.
Will it cap salary lengths? No.
All other sports have these very problems, none of which the salary cap has resolved any better than baseball. In fact, I’d argue baseball has been more effective in achieving the stated goals of parity.
No they aren’t. When people try to be the technically police, they should try to be correct, first. It’s possible to go over and not give up any picks (sign free agents without the QA) and it’s possible to give up picks without going over (sign free with qo, stay under). So no, they are not, “technically”, penalized (draft picks), for going over.
Why didn’t the Mets just offer Judge $100 per for 13 years?? Because with what they’re doing, nothing is crazy.
Because of collusion. They agreed not to go after Judge.
The Yankees and Mets both make more money when both teams are good.
One out of every three players looks good on paper. Let’s see how well they perform on the field.
Great time to be a Mets fan! For those talking about money, luxury tax, etc.. here’s some math for you:
Cohen’s net worth is 17.5 billion. 350 million is around 2% of his net worth.
For us common folk, that’s $2 dollars for every $100 we have, practically nothing for Cohen. It’s almost unreal to comprehend. That doesn’t take into account any income the team brings in.
Exactly! Are we supposed to care how much money our teams owner spends? After they charge us $30 parking, $10 hot dogs, $12 beers and $6 gatorades $20 popcorn? No, we don’t. Especially after the Wilpons. Plus we didn’t even trade for any of these contracts. It’s literally just all Steve’s money, no prospect capital. This is amazing. If you listened to WFAN during the Wilpons, all we ever wanted was an owner like this. We finally got out wish and then more. If you’re a die hard Mets fan like me, there’s nothing anyone can say to bring you down.
See, if you live in a small market you at least get the benefit of seeing a ballgame without spending $100 per person. And you get a decent seat. So when we suffer through the Wilpons who spent like small market while charging us big market prices … a guy like Cohen buying the team is a dream come true.
Indeed it is. Been a fan my entire life and haven’t seen a championship. Had season tickets in 2007 (ouch). Didn’t buy again until this year and glad I renewed for 2023. Anything can happen in a season, but all we can ask for as fans is putting a solid team together, Steve Cohen is giving us that and much more. LGM!
“After they charge us $30 parking, $10 hot dogs, $12 beers and $6 gatorades $20 popcorn?”
Lyman Bostock;
I must watch at least parts of 500-plus MLB games a year on MLB.TV. It costs me under $150 for the season, and I get spring training games as well that I can replay games 12 months a year (I’ve been replaying some games from the 2022 season doing a little scouting the past few weeks). In the past 15 years I think I’ve been to 3 MLB games. I’ve seen maybe a half-dozen minor league games, and a lot of high school and travel team games which young relatives played….when they got older they hate watching baseball, they say it’s boring.
Sitting in a seat next to a bunch of strangers (other than then the people I’m with) waiting through endless foul balls for 3-4 hours is not my idea of entertainment. Unless I’m sitting in the OF or behind the plate I can’t see what the pitch is or the speed of it from an angle. When a ball is hit I can’t figure out where it’s going from an angle. And it’s a pain to park and walk into the park. And yes, the prices inside for anything are simply obscene.
For most people I know it was nice to go to a game once or twice in the summer – a tradition. But even they’ve cut back because it’s simply too expensive compared to other options. There are so many other venues to go to that the person can be involved most of the time instead of just sitting there waiting for something to happen.
That’s cool, I have the MLB at bat package as a T-Mobile customer for free every year. I love pitching more than hitting so I especially love watching games at home rather than at the lark so I can see all the lurches movements.
What does that have to do with the fact that you can’t actually go to the park without spending approximately $100 per person?
What does that have to do with the fact that you can’t actually go to the park without spending approximately $100 per person?
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You don’t have to. Go to Stubhub, for the NYY/Philly on 4/5/23 Sec 411, row 1 (decent+ imo), and tickets are $17 each. Go to the Dollar store outside for cracker Jacks and soda. So for the tickets, fess, two sodas and a large bag of cracker jacks, you are probably $25-30. You aren’t close to $100.
What entertainment options are really cheaper? I can’t take my family to the movies for much less.
JoeBrady;
LOL
Joe, you have parking, and other costs.
Years ago I drove down to San Diego from LA with a friend to see a Padres game. He had a disease and doesn’t walk well. Among other things, he has to drink water. He’s holding a bottle of water in his hand.
We hand our tickets over to the ticket taker, take 2 steps into the concourse not knowing where we’re going because we’ve never been there before. An a-hole working for the Padres confronts my friend and asks him what’s in his hand. My friend says “a bottle of water”. The attendant tells him “You can’t bring that in here”, takes it out of his hand, and pours the water on the floor. Classy. My friend mumbles: “I have to stay hydrated”. The attendant points to a stand 5 yards ahead. My friend walks up to it, gets the exact same 18 ounce bottle of water, and has to pay $6. That was around 2005. Today that bottle has to cost $12-15.
I don’t think all parks will let a person walk in with Cracker Jacks or anything else.
P.S. The Padres park looks great on video. In person it’s another thing. It’s massive to walk around, It has none of the closeness or ambiance of the parks of this generation. It’s a sterile atmosphere and like watching a baseball game in a large football stadium. I
never went back there. As bad as the one in Anaheim.
P.S. The Padres park looks great on video. In person it’s another thing. It’s massive to walk around, It has none of the closeness or ambiance of the parks of this generation. It’s a sterile atmosphere and like watching a baseball game in a large football stadium.
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Ahh yes, one of my favorite complaints. When I was growing up, owners built these concrete monstrosities. Olympic Stadium was built, oddly enough, for the Olympics. It seated 80,000, and they got 17,000. Philly was probably worse. Beyond ugly, and again, built for 55k, and usually drawing half of that.
I know some like Shea, but it was ugly and the bathrooms overflowed into the concourse. Owners finally smartened up and started copying the Fenway & Wrigley model. You don’t need to spend an extra $100M or so to build seats that will rarely be used.
@joebrady Part of the plan. Owners aimed to drive ticket prices to the absolute maximum their markets would tolerate, so they knew the days of full, 55k stadiums even during pennant races were over. Stadiums only shrank because the aim was exorbitant ticket prices that would inevitably shrink attendance,
The problem that many people have with spending, if you read between the lines in their statements, is they want to legislate big market teams out of the playoffs and ensure their teams rotate into the playoffs att even intervals. They call That competitive balance. It’s actually the “that’s not fair” claim.
It’s a faulty premise that doesn’t exist in any sport based on the false notion that preventing spending will even everything else out. They simply need to pick a better team to root for.
To counter this move, the Padres will sign Carlos Correa to a 380 million dollar deal over 15 years. Because you can never have enough short stops.
Then the Mets will sign Rodón and the world will keep spinning
Why does it seem like 4 teams signed every free agent this offseason.
All these revenue sharing clubs are getting an extra $10 million this year thanks to Cohen, and they still claim they are too poor to spend on free agents.
mpwr2;
LOL
$10m gets them a utility player and 2 relief pitchers that may be in the minor leagues before the 1st of June.
And thanks to Cohen (and others) the salaries they have to pay their players are going up far more then even the out of hand, historic inflation we have in this country (which is driving up their cost of business as well).
@mpwr2 In fairness, $10m gets you a decent utility guy with a 1-win projection.
Mets starting rotation is complete.
Are we really sure about that?
Always the same teams. These signings are getting boring
chicagofan1978;
It’s a joke! The whole friggin’ league is a joke.
Short of worrying about an injury, why would any average MLB player sign an extension once he gets his 6 years in? Salaries go
up an obscene amount every year.
So, while Steverino antes up and Eppler makes deals and adds new faces, Cashman so far has done nothing but get the same band back together, albeit at a massively higher cost.
Better get crackin’ there, ninja.
Unless you know what Cashman’s budget is, you can’t blame him. They’re already at $264M.. Hal needs to go to $300M like big market teams.
Paying three pitchers with a combined age of 108 $111m for the 2023 season is an interesting flex. I genuinely have zero idea what their team building philosophy is other than collecting name players and paying them tons of money thinking that’ll make them preform better. It’s like in the NBA where all the GMs have to have a max-player on their team and they give max deals to dudes that aren’t worth them in hopes of them being better because they’re paid more.
Too bad starters don’t have walk-up music because this would be perfect for Senga:
youtu.be/2y6CNuffBi0?t=59
I think they do while they’re taking warmups, right?
I dunno. This would sure get ’em going if they do.
I wouldn’t get too excited about Brooks Raley. Rays sold high on him and they don’t get fleeced to often in trades.
Hey, when you gonna change your moniker to “in?”
Ya know, McGriff IN the HOF….
Apparently the Yankees are about to make Rodon an offer. Lets hope it’s one he can’t refuse.
nypost.com/2022/12/10/yankees-preparing-offer-to-c…
Get that bulldog on the slab in the Bronx!
It’s Heyman, man. Don’t get your hopes up.
The *only * positive is that it’s a Boras client and Heyman is nothing of not:
1) inaccurate,
2) A Boras mouthpiece, which is the only time he is accurate, usually
Buster Olney did say the Yankees were working on “something big”. This could be the something big
Where is the upgrade? Bassitt/Walker>Senga/Quintana Degrom=Verlander.. and then they resigned Kermaeir 2.0 .. Mets spending all this $$ and not upgrading is laughable
They won 101 games last year, so technically they don’t need to upgrade. 101 would be nice again. To your point deGro =Verlander. Senga=Bassitt. Quintana if he plays like 2022 > Walker.
Von, Given deGrom’s health issues, I would consider Verlander an upgrade, honestly. He was healthy for the entire year with no indication of falling out (Cy Young). DeGrom, although and equal, or better, pitcher when healthy, has not been able to remain healthy for a full season in recent seasons.
I know that’s a tad subjective given Verlander missed two years, but it seems he’s fully recovered, imho.
That’s fair, but I would argue those same health concerns exist with Scherzer, Verlander and Carrasco. So I’m basing it on how I think this year will go. I’d obviously say 2022 Verlander > 2022 deGrom, but I think 2023 will be a different story.
I think his name is supposed to be spelled “Koudai”.
That’s what it says on B-Ref if you click on the link, and MLB spells it that way on his stats page:
mlb.com/player/koudai-senga-673540?stats=career-r-…
but they spell it kodai in all their articles about him.
mlb.com/mets/news/kodai-senga-mets-deal
NPB spells it Koudai:
npb.jp/bis/eng/players/01005133.html
The new ownership turnover begins? I think expect more Cohen types
How do the Mets build any team chemistry when all they do is go out and buy the best players?
Droid,it’s worked in the past for the Yankees(Steinbrenner)
The Yankees never spent like this. The Mets don’t have a single homegrown SP.
@metman, Mets fans think that’s what the Yankees did, but in reality, the successful Yankee teams that won championships had a core of homegrown players. Their last dynasty was built around Jeter, Rivera, Williams, Posada and Pettitte. They ran high payrolls because they kept and paid their core and supplemented with pieces around them through trades and selected free agents. They traded another home-grown player in Roberto Kelly for Paul O’Neill. They traded a number of prospects for Tino Martinez. They traded other prospects for Come. None were free agents but all were good and required the team to run higher payrolls to keep them together. That’s quite different than what Cohen is doing right now. (BTW I’m not knocking what Cohen is doing at all, but simply noting the differences.)
*Cone*.
It’s very tough and often does not work. Yankees only did it to supplement an existing dominant core, one of whom was the leader of the team. I’m not sure about the existing chemistry on the Mets but if they don’t have an established core and strong leaders, it’s going to fall apart.
One major advantage they have is Buck Showalter who is a genius at building good teams. He was instrumental in dumping early 90’s Yankees that didn’t have a driven, winning attitude and he helped bring players in that did.
Thank you, exactly my point. Mets don’t have a real core.
As good as Showalter is, he hasn’t won the World Series.
Attention ; Steve Cohen- get to work, you don’t have the best player at every position yet!
At least we have RF locked!
Yes, but their was a time when you had SS, 3b, 2b, 1b, starter 1, starter 2, and closer!
Slider, that’s true, and I miss those days. Best we can hope for is a repeat of 2009.
Those last 90’s Yankees were stuffed with homegrown talent
You see the Mets trading any of their prospects? That’s the plan.
Four out of eight position starters for 23 are home grown
They will for Ohtani.
And not a single starter is homegrown. The bullpen has 1 homegrown player? The mets are one of the least homegrown rosters in baseball.
Most teams are littered with homegrown players. 4 is not high.
Not really, 1b, 3b, LF, Rf, and 4 starters, and all relief pitchers except closer.
This looks like it could be the deal of the offsesson
Never thought I would be all for a salary cap, but this is ridiculous. At least the penalty for teams that spend significantly more should be higher like they lose more/higher draft picks and international money.
Ohtani will be a Metropolitan in 2024
The hate in the comments is delicious
Where does the salary tax go too? Does it get spread out to the other owners?
Keep spending like the LAD. The MLB season is a long haul and it took a shortened pandemic season for them to win a WS. Let’s see what Cohen’s money does come next November.
Awesome. The kind of pressure this will put on the well known miserly owners will be tremendous. It is amazing they let Cohen in the club to shatter their grift. These penny-pinching clowns will be forced to join the arms race or sell.
SupremeZeus;
“penny-pinching clowns”?
LOL
The large market teams get 3-5 times the revenue that the small market teams do. Yet the players expect to be paid the same no matter where they play.
I know that. It’s obvious to anyone with half a brain. But some people don’t have half a brain and belittle those that have to work around the inequality.
Have you ever noticed that?
It’s obvious to anyone with half a brain.
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It amazes me that some people continue to think that the A’s and the Yankees have similar cash flow.
The Red Sox number 1 need was pitching, both starters and relievers. They lost 3 of their starters on a last place team. If this is the contract it took to get Senga I would be shocked if Bloom has a job next week. 15 a year with no posting fee, or loss of draft picks.
The Contract for Yoshida looks ten times worse today than it did yesterday. Yesterday it looked really bad, and nearly pointless. I think Yoshida has a chance to be a better than average hitter, but it doesn’t improve their power, speed, or defense. I think what they drastically overspent for is about what they had previously developing in a player like Benintendi. They got rid of Benintendi. I hope I am wrong, but Blooms’ stewardship looks terrible over the last 2 years. as this all unfolds. In a year from now we will know if this could possible more mismanaged than it looks today. If Bloom pulls off another 3 MAJOR rabbits out of the hat in trades and signings, he may be able to defend himself on an attempt at a competitive roster, but at this point, we will know it was a scramble to save his job. Let’s see if he has it in him to try to save his job.
BTW, the wrong way to build a franchise for long lasting consistent winning (like we keep hearing Bloom preach to explain his actions) is not jettisoning all your in-house talent and replacing it with inferior players. How is he going to fix this mess, jettisoning his minor league talent to patch the still existing holes everywhere?
William;
Not all players go to a team because they have the money to pay them.
Boston is – and has been for decades – one of the top places listed in no-trade clauses as places the player can’t be traded to. Between the entitlement, lack of understanding of how the game is played and how difficult it is, and the vindictiveness of fans like you, most players find that it’s just not worth playing in Boston if they can get anywhere near the same money elsewhere.
I agree with every point you just made. So? Are you stating that is the exact reason that Bloom and the Red Sox were not able to get him? The article doesn’t state whether the Red Sox even made an offer or not. Only interest is stated. If an offer was made, what was it? Not stated. If he turned down the unknown offer, why? Not stated.
My point was that this was the target that filled a dire need (No one alive thinks pitching isn’t the greatest priority and need of the Red Sox), and this contract is reasonable given the state of things this off season. 15 per for 5. The contract we just signed with Yoshida was head scratch worthy, and although it does add an outfielder, it doesn’t actually solve some of the major issues. This does not improve our lack of power, speed, or defense in any way offensively, or defensively. My upside hope is a .300 AVG with above average OBP. I don’t see him hitting 20 HR, stealing more than a couple bases, or ever being an elite defender. I personally like the player, just do not like the price tag in light of not negotiating far earlier for a better homegrown talent that may have been salvageable at a far lower price tag than San Diego paid.
My analysis begins always with the flaws and needs, and what is done to address them. The team lacks speed, power, starting pitching, and the bullpen was a mess. My grade for the bullpen is a B so far. The rest is a D-. Not because the moves will or won’t pan out in my mind, but because nothing has been done to address the starting staff, defense or lack of power. I think we all know and can see clearly that this upcoming season as the Red Sox are currently built is a lost season, again. As is, the Sox are a worse team than the team that just endured last place. Do you disagree with any of my analysis? Do you think the Red Sox are a better team than last year?
I am trying to remember the last time the “winner” of the offseason actually won the World Series. Maybe 2013 with the Red Sox? But it doesn’t happen often. Remember a couple years ago when the Blue Jays were going to be unstoppable? Or the White Sox before that?
This is not about “winning” the offseason. The Mets lost the most FA’s. 3/5 of the starting rotation plus nearly their entire bullpen needed to be remade. The Mets simply HAD to sign FAs or they could not field a professional team.
Agreed, but their has never been an owner that spends like Cohen, not even General George!
“I am trying to remember the last time the “winner” of the offseason actually won the World Series.”
hiflew;
B I N G O !!!!!
I write it every year…..
Teams that win are teams that have a number of existing players that get better once the season starts. This is why I always look for teams that have a number of players with upside remaining. This year I love the Orioles and Guardians – gobs of young players that can get better in 2023 and for years after.
When teams pay retail for a name free agent, they’re expecting performance. Very seldom do those player do better than what the average fan expects. They have little if any upside. What they do have is the possibility of downside…possibly major downside. They’re older, they can suddenly hit a wall and regress. Older players get hurt more often and their injuries take longer to heal. Every year in November and December we read from large market / large payroll teams fans that “We would have done better but for the injuries”. Duh. This happens EVERY SINGLE YEAR…and 2023 will be no exception.
Stevie Cohen’s beautiful money.
Very good off-season for the Mets so far , hopefully they can still add Chafin and Voit to DH need some more power but the rotation is set Scherzer, Verlander,Senga,Quintana and Carrasco, so Megill and Peterson goes to the bullpen and spot start when needed, resigned Nimmo, now trade McCann for whatever and figure out who’s starting at 3b (Baty or Escobar) and catcher (Alvarez or Nido).
The rotation is definitely not set. They need another arm or two. The success of this team depends on two forty year olds, a brand new import from Japan, a pitcher whose career was said to be done as recently as last year and a guy who has a wild knack for the injury bug. The Mets got lucky on a lot of fronts last season to win as many games as they did, and I do not see that being the case again this upcoming season, so they better sign another arm or two for their own sake.
For the bullpen. The rotation is absolutely set.
I believe I saw a quote stating something like MLB was an $11B a year business. If, all the fees were divided appropriately, in my opinion of course, that would allow each team to spend $350M a year in payroll.
no reason why these teams are doing $40-75m a year payrolls except that they want to reap the benefits of profits, which again is nothing wrong either.
but then after that, a fan has every right to be peed off when they see their teams tanking purposely.
This is why you see stadiums are 75% empty in some cities by May. The ownership is not willing to reallocate the money back into their teams.
Teams have missed the boat, they should have retractable dome stadiums in cold weather areas by now. Sports have become a TV and streaming game. This is a muti tasking world we live in now!
slider32;
Areas can’t suddenly build billion dollar parks with retractable roofs when they’re paying off the bonds that financed their current parks.
But I do believe that within the next 30 years all parks will have
to have retractable roofs. If this commissioner stays in office for another 10 years the leagues will expand to 16 teams each, and
there will be 6-7 rounds of playoffs as 12 teams from each league
will be in them….meaning teams will be playing into December.
According Joan Heymoonz, the also just singed Bob Ruthes ghostez.
The Met’s payroll is really kind of gross. Having that level of financial advantage over all other teams is kind of pathetic. The Met’s payroll is now $85M higher than the next highest payroll! It is $125M more than the 5th highest payroll. The average payroll of the other 29 teams is $149.5M so the Mets payroll is more than double the average of the rest of baseball ($200M higher than the average). I am using all CBT payrolls.
If you compare how much the Mets are actually paying, including the luxury tax, they are outspending the next highest spender by $145M and outspending the average MLB spending by $270M! $270M is a gross disparity.
When the Mets finish in 2nd or 3rd place in their division, it is going to be absolutely hilarious. Despite all the spending, I think the Mets are only slightly better than last year, but given the player ages, they could be worse. All the spending was just replacing players who left, or keeping their own free agents. I think the Senga signing looks like the only real upgrade (Senga replacing Walker). The average age of the Mets rotation next year will be 35.8 years old lol (30, 34, 36, 39, 40).
This is what baffles me. I read statements like this all the time and truthfully, there’s nothing wrong with the sentiment, but I don’t understand the ancillary point.
If the Mets aren’t going to win, who cares if they spend $1B in payroll? They should be able to pay whatever they want to whomever they want. It’s a business. Perhaps I am wrong for my view on this, but it strikes me as such an odd concern to be distracted with how much money a team spends to come in 3rd place.
it’s an issue because of how much of a financial advantage one team has over everyone else to cover up any mistakes they make. Compare that to teams like the Ray’s, Mariners, Indians, etc. who can’t spend anywhere close to that stratosphere, are likely more smartly run as an organization, but can’t compete on a level playing field because the Mets can simply outpsend them.
The lack of payroll cap has ruined the competitiveness ot the big five European soccer leagues. Bayern Munich has won the German Bundesliga for like 12 straight years because they outspend every team in the way the Mets are. Same has happened in the soccer leagues in Spain, Italy, France and England. Every single season 90% of the teams have no realistic shot of winning from day one. It has ruined the competitiveness of those leagues.
Okay, but competitiveness isn’t fixed by capping the top. We don’t know what the Rays, etc can or can’t spend. We do know they can all get much closer to $150MM-$200MM without breaking a sweat because of the revenue shares they are given every year and many don’t even come remotely close.
Regardless, my point is: trying to fix this issue by looking at only one side, without considering the foundation of the entire problem only leads to more problems – tanking teams are not fixed by any cap. They’re no more competitive.
Every other sport with a cap has all the same problems everyone espouses the cap will fix: super teams; dynasties; high salaries; ridiculous contracts; high prices; competitive imbalance.
So, what happens when we cap it, but a team is still way more talented than another, which happens anyway, and there is still a competitive imbalance that cannot be overcome because of the cap? You create more imbalance. Or, do we go kickball rules and draft one-by-one every year?
I take solace in looking at the Mets roster, especially their lineup. The position players are pretty underwhelming for a $350M payroll. The rotation is talented but older than hell (Senga is the youngest rotation arm and will be 30 when the season starts). The bullpen is equally as underwhelming.
If I had to bet, I’d place money that the Mets don’t win their division this year.
funny you say underwhelming on a team that lineup is virtually the same as last year and won 101 games.
Alonso – RBI champ
McNeil – batting champ
The Mets lineup is severely lacking power for a $350M payroll team. It’s also old.
BTW, the 2022 Mets had one of the luckiest seasons in terms of wins / losses according to Fangraphs baseruns statistic. Their play should have resulted in 95 wins, not 101, so they had 6 extra lucky wins, which was the highest of any team. The Braves were expected to win 101 games so had no lucky wins while the Phillies should have had 90 wins so had 3 unlucky losses.
you say lack of power, to a certain degree, they were 15th in Hrs (guess the other lower 15 had even less power),
2nd in OBP @.332, – Braves were 9th & Phillys 11th
6th in rbi’s – Braves were 4th & Phillys 7th
Also take into consideration Braves were 2nd in striking out (1498), Phillys were 18th ( 1363), the Mets were 28th (1217)
those stats are for the entire MLB.
Pitching-
7th in era – Braves were 5th & Phillys were 18th
4th in runs allowed – Braves were 5th & Phiilys were 15th
1st in So’s – Braves were 2nd & Phillys were 10th
Yes, and their is still a lot of parity in the major sports NFL, MLB, and to some extent NBA. The Dodgers won 111 games last year, but they lost 7 out of 8 to the Pirates.
Giving the Padres a pass?
Pachoo: I found this to be a really good read on the parity of MLB and why financial disparity doesn’t have the impact people think it does, if you’re interested:
cbssports.com/mlb/news/why-major-league-baseball-d…
Thanks for the article, interesting read.
Granted a ‘Luxury tax” on big spenders to level out some of the market is good, BUT, there should also be a tax penalty for clubs and owners that do bare minimal for their respective team.
What I really hate is when a team like Tampa is playing at home, and the opposing team has more fans. The Rams and Chargers are in the same boat. That should signal the owner that he should move the team.
Headline: NY Mets to sign EVERYONE. Cohen thinks a 1 billion payroll should be enough to beat the Braves.
Smart move to have a 9 man rotation. Should keep everyone fresh
I count 5 with one spot starter and one potential starter who was injured most of last year and will likely start the season in the bullpen. Extremely smart in today’s game.
Might be the best deal of the off season so far lol, still think they need a power hitting DH, I would go for Luke Voit he shouldn’t cost much
@jvent Seems like the Mets found the only two fairly cheap MOR starters this offseason.
They still need a top starter if they want to be taken seriously, though. One of Max and Verlander is going to be ineffective or hurt by October, based on how the Mets used their starters in 2022.
Eppler seems to believe old, or old and injured pitchers can pitch 200 innings and still have something left for the postseason if he just crosses his fingers.
Is the offense 1927 Yankees good? Nope
Is there a chance of injury? Sure
Could it be that guys that had career type years last year don’t this year? Of course
But no one can see the future. No one has a crystal ball. We can just use our brains and come to a conclusion. Guess what. The Mets are really good on paper now. Need one more bullpen arm and go to war.
I’m done arguing now. I prefer to have an owner like Steve Cohen running my entertainment. Best of luck to all. Only one team will hoist a trophy. It may not be my team that does and that’s really ok. It’s literally just for entertainment and I will will be entertained every year that Mr Cohen runs this thing.
Can’t Bloom do anything right? My new favorite pitcher is a Met. Congrats well played.
This portends another Met signing: Rodon! Bring him on Stevie-O!
Surprisingly cheap by AAV, but it’s still too bad unless this is a precursor to signing Rodon and dealing Carrasco to make the AAV wrt Senga balance out.
If they’re not adding Rodon, the Mets appear to have pulled up short of building a serious contender for the World Series by about 4% of total payroll in 2023.
Bizarre.
All the moves the Mets have done are they even better ?
Given all the impending FA departures they needed to make multiple moves just to field a team, let alone compete in the NLE. We wont know if they’re “better” toward the end of next season
Wtf?
My mind is the one that is injured now……
As a Phils fan, my fear is that Senga will be better than the guy that we signed in Taj Walker. I really like the potential for Senga’s fastball / forkball combo and far preferred the risk and upside for him rather than Taj.. Given some refinements to his repertoire and approach, Senga could be quite the upside play at a cost that reflects the challenges of trying to guess how someone’s work translates from the NPB to MLB.
Hope that I am wrong on that one.
I’m still surprised that the bidding (apparently) didn’t exceed MLBTR’s estimate.
Or maybe it did and Senga just preferred Boston?
News bulletin: Mets claim Japanese translator off wavers….
Heyman’s an idiot.
Please stop listening to him, MLBTR.
Mets jersey number needs to be #34 so Mets can advertise him as “S3NG4”. Something I read, not my idea.
He was indeed wearing #34 at the press conference today