The Padres achieved their top priority of the spring over the weekend, agreeing to an 11-year, $350MM deal with Manny Machado to keep him from retesting the free agent market next offseason. That came on the heels of a summer deal for Joe Musgrove and a recent extension with Yu Darvish.
Even after that series of transactions, the Friars have a handful of key players slated to hit the open market within the next two years. Last summer’s marquee deadline acquisitions — Josh Hader and Juan Soto — are both deep into their arbitration seasons. Jon Heyman of the New York Post writes that San Diego is likely to soon be in contact with both players’ camps to discuss possible extension frameworks. Dennis Lin of the Athletic similarly wrote this week the Friars were likely to take a run at extension talks with Soto.
There hasn’t been as much speculation regarding possible Hader negotiations. It’s not a surprise that president of baseball operations A.J. Preller and his front office plan to at least check in with the four-time All-Star, though. Hader is one season away from the open market and joins Blake Snell as the top impending free agents on the San Diego roster.
29 next month, Hader has a chance of securing a record-setting deal for a reliever. He owns a sterling 2.71 ERA with an eye-popping 43.2% strikeout rate over parts of six big league campaigns. No pitcher (minimum 200 innings) has punched out hitters at a higher rate since Hader came into the league. He’s three percentage points clear of second-place finisher Edwin Díaz. Hader also leads the league in SIERA (2.13) and swinging strike percentage (19.2%) over that stretch.
Díaz is second in both those categories as well. The Mets’ closer became the first reliever in league history to top the hundred million dollar mark this offseason, returning to Queens on a five-year, $102MM pact days before free agency opened. Díaz signed that deal in advance of his age-29 campaign and coming off one of the most dominant seasons by a closer in recent memory. He fanned more than half his opponents en route to a 1.31 ERA in 62 innings.
Hader, on the other hand, is coming off arguably the worst season of his career. He allowed more than five earned runs per nine, including a disappointing 7.31 mark in 19 appearances after the Padres acquired him from Milwaukee. Hader was a bit homer-prone early in the season with the Brewers. While he got that under control in San Diego, his walk rate jumped a few percentage points towards year’s end.
Despite that wobbly conclusion, Hader still enters extension negotiations with strong leverage. He’ll play the upcoming season on a hefty $14.1MM contract after avoiding arbitration. The lanky southpaw remains one of the sport’s highest-upside relief weapons. Even in his relative down year, Hader finished sixth among relievers who threw 50+ innings with a 37% strikeout rate. He placed 18th in swinging strike rate and averaged a personal-high 97.4 MPH on his sinker.
Hader’s youth and career résumé still position him as the favorite for the largest contract among relievers in next winter’s class. Díaz’s deal serves as a reference for the kind of money Hader could land if he had a vintage platform season. The New York righty had some ups and downs in the years leading up to 2022 — including a 5.59 ERA in 2019 and a fine but not overwhelming 3.45 mark in ’21 — before reaching new heights last season.
Considering his hefty arbitration salaries and proximity to free agency, Hader isn’t under pressure to sign for below-market rates this spring. He told Heyman he’d “definitely” be open to extension talks but didn’t offer any indication he’d take a hometown discount. “It’s a great place to be, but at the end of the day, business is business,” Hader said.
Locking up Soto would be an even more challenging endeavor, of course. The three-time Silver Slugger is playing this season on a $23MM arbitration contract. He’s likely to approach or top $30MM for his final arbitration season in 2024 and is trending towards free agency over the 2024-25 offseason. Soto would hit the market before his age-26 campaign and is generally expected to command the largest guarantee in league history (although the intervening potential free agency of Shohei Ohtani could first set a new high-water mark).
Soto has already declined an offer for what would’ve been the largest deal in MLB history. The Nationals reportedly offered a 15-year, $440MM pact last summer. Soto passed, leading Washington to pivot to trade discussions that’d eventually culminate in one of the biggest deadline deals ever. Soto’s performance in San Diego after the trade — .238/.388/.390 with more walks than strikeouts through 228 plate appearances — was disappointing by his massive standards but still markedly above average.
It stands to reason the Padres would at least have to beat the $440MM the Nats were prepared to offer in order to convince Soto to bypass a trip to the open market. How high he and his representatives are aiming isn’t clear, though Soto told Heyman his camp is “open to talking” with San Diego brass. However, he also added that “every player wants to get a try at free agency and a chance to decide where they want to go and where is best for their family.”
The Padres project for the third-highest luxury tax payroll in the majors this season, with Roster Resource forecasting them just under $275MM at present. Long-term deals for Machado, Fernando Tatis Jr., Xander Bogaerts, Musgrove, Darvish and Robert Suarez already have upwards of $130MM on the books through 2027. Tatis, Bogaerts and Machado alone will count for nearly $100MM annually between 2028-33. That’s plenty of future money tied up, though it also reinforces how willing owner Peter Seidler and the front office have been to commit to star talent.
YourDreamGM
Why not
case
Cause Josh Hader’s only had 1 good year in the past 3 and was terrible after the trade…
CrikesAlready
The baseball twin of Drew Pomeranz…
padrepapi
Dude allowed 3.8 h/9 in both 2020 and 2021.
douglasb
I believe you meant 1 bad year in the past 3. In 2020 he had over 60% more saves than hits allowed. I can’t see how that’s a bad year.
spectaculer187
Win or lose, I love rooting for this team!
For day to day entertainment they are the best team in the MLB to root for
I remember when we were a AAA team
This is a lot better 🙂
Jon M
This just in, San Diego expected to offer LAA $600 million in exchange for Mike Trout
jorge78
You can’t trade a player for cash anymore…..
Nacho Cheese
Yes you can…see
Royals trade Anthony Misiewicz to Cardinals for cash
jorge78
I meant ALOT of cash. Waiver claim sales are relatively miniscule…..
Fever Pitch Guy
Jorge – Why not? The Red Sox traded Angel Sanchez to the Astros for Cash.
Even though he’s a manager now, you can still trade a player for him.
jorge78
Sigh…. yes, teams sell players for small amounts. Manfred will not allow a team to buy a player for $600,000. Look up Charlie Finley in the 1970’s for context…..
Kewldood69
But I bet you hated the Dodgers the last ten years. Now all of a sudden spending is cool!
Smelly_Cobb
I hate the Doyers regardless, dood
Brew88
Hate isn’t involved here, it’s about being cool, kewl. And just so we are on the same page, one team competing (including spending) isn’t cool, whereas many (and hopefully all) teams competing/spending is very cool. It’s the foundation of our American democracy. Get with it now.
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
If the Mets or the Pads don’t win…let this be a lesson to y’all
Obviously, at least one won’t win, at least one will fall short, and have a lot of splaning to do to Lucy
User 401527550
What’s that lesson? Seeing their revenues soar year after year? You act like all money is lost if a World Series isn’t won. I guess their attendance and tv ratings going up will mean nothing.
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
This…from a Mets fan
Must be frustrating
From a Braves fan, winning is fun, choking is not…
User 401527550
LOL the Braves have 4 world championships in 147 years. Your historically the biggest choke franchise in history.
DogDays2
Trust me. As a Yankee fan, it’s fun to have a team that spends a lot of money and wins.
But when they underachieve during the playoffs and get knocked out, it’s much more frustrating than rooting for a team that exceeds expectations.
Smelly_Cobb
Even more frustrating, is when a team spends and misses the playoffs completely, like the Dads in 2021. More painful than being out of it by June, IMO.
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
Fort Knox is open for business…
Let the goodtime nuggets roll…
JayRyder
The Padres are Loco Man. Extending everyone. Maybe they should extend the Fans Too !
Andrew Martin
Oh, we’re extended alright
Buuba ho tep
People gripe about teams like the pirates who don’t spend. Then they gripe about the padres overspending….. unbelievable belly aching
JudgementDay
Hell yeah, you get an extension, points to another player(you get an extension), points to another player(you get an extension), oh you want an extension(you’ll get an extension)… we are freaking SD, we give everyone that wants an extension an extension….
This one belongs to the Reds
They are offering guys extensions before they even sign them now!
utah cornelius
Vegas, This one, you say that about Atlanta, too?
jorge78
All teams should wait until the robot ump. It may drive values down as soon as players get used to their strike zone “limits.”
YankeesBleacherCreature
The same applies to pitchers. Does that mean postponing baseball until the tech gets implemented?
jorge78
I’m talking about values both ways but it may be negative for pitchers…..
jorge78
I was talking about pitching…..
jorge78
Don’t be ridiculous. Let’s play two!
Very Barry
Padres are setting MLB back 30 years will their financial foolishness that the entire league will have to ultimately pay for. The revenue model is exploding. Cable is NOT producing the same revenue because so many people have cut the cord. Diamond Sports Group owes MLB over $1 billion.
YankeesBleacherCreature
That gave me a good chuckle.
Hired Gun 23
Well now I’m hoping they sign Hader and Soto, since the league is ultimately gonna pay for it. And setting back the clock 30 years puts me back in my early 20s…it’s a win-win!
VegasSDfan
Rofl. Take me back 30 years please. I will invest in Amazon and Tesla
Pads Fans
Amazon was just a dream at that point. Tesla wouldn’t be founded by Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning for another decade.
You could have bought AAPL for about $0.50 per share in March 1993. Yes, 50 cents. Why oh why did I wait until it was $45?
I bought Microsoft a few months later than that for $2.54 per share. I wish I had bought 1000 shares instead of just 100.
websoulsurfer
If you bought Microsoft early in 1993, its split 9 times since then and those 1000 shares are worth $10 million today.
outinleftfield
1983 was the year the first PC was released I think. Very prescient to be buying Microsoft that early..
I bought a couple thousand shares of Apple in 2002 after the iPod came out the previous Christmas and again in mid-2010 when they brought out the iPad and its been one of my best investments.
outinleftfield
Oops. Just noticed you said 1993, not 1983. My bad.
Pads Fans
I only bought 100 shares in 1993. (insert frowny face here) They are worth about $973k today,
Pads Fans
I bought 100 shares of AAPL in 2007 at $45.87 It was when they came out with the iPhone. Those hundred shares are worth about $169k
Pads Fans
To be fair, those shares are now a lot more than 100 now with the stock splits.
davidrocholl
It’s not the Padres setting it back, it’s the unforward thinking of the RSN!!
jorge78
Sinclair should not have borrowed so much money when they knew the financials WTFruk?
They should pay for everything! If there wS shame in corporate america, I know, ROFL…..
James Midway
This makes no sense. The Padres are spending money for the first time in my life. The game may be moving backward for you because the club you root for is owned by cheapskates but it’s moving forward.
Metssince76
I wonder about the economics of “small market” teams when just a few years ago San Diego was one of them. They are still in the same place, so maybe there is something more to it. Less than 10 years ago Houston was considered small market yet it is one of the 5 largest cities in the US.
DanUgglasRing
This just in: good players cost money.
This one belongs to the Reds
Breaking news. The great majority of the teams in baseball can’t afford them.
BaseballisLife
Seidler is proving any team, including one in the bottom 7 in market size like San Diego, can afford them.
This one belongs to the Reds
You’re manipulating facts to fit your agenda. Market size doesn’t mean everything as to what they are taking in. Plus I bet he doesn’t own them when a lot of those bills come due.
But I bet you know that, you just want to rag on other teams.
BaseballisLife
Reds, that was a just plain stupid comment. MLB gives teams revenue sharing based on market size. TV contracts that make up the majority of revenue for all teams is based on market size.
DanUgglasRing
They should sell if they can’t afford good players then? Without a hard cap it’s pretty much inevitable that rich teams have expensive players.
This one belongs to the Reds
LOCAL TV contracts are a whole different animal and NOT shared. This is the main problem.
VegasSDfan
Putting the product on the field over profit, how can anyone be against that
Pads Fans
All revenue is shared. Do you even take the time to research anything before you comment. Here is a hint, read Article XXIV of the CBA.
User 401527550
That’s what fans said about the Reds when they signed Griffey. I guess if you didn’t have a cheap owner since then Cincinnati would still be in the market for the best players.
Very Barry
This just in: good players and bad players cost a ridiculous amount of money because of all of the $$$$ being thrown in by cable. They significantly OVERBID for media rights inflating salaries and franchise valuations to levels that were not real, and are definitely not sustainable. The fact that these guys are starting to go bankrupt is an ominous sign for MLB, NBA, NHL and College Athletics. NFL will be fine.
DanUgglasRing
Honestly Barry I don’t care.
This one belongs to the Reds
That is obvious.
DanUgglasRing
You’re easily the second most miserable person on this site. I hope one day you can enjoy baseball again.
Pads Fans
Its only an ominous sign for the RSNs. Its great news for MLB. Manfred was practically doing a jig at the MLB Winter Meetings in San Diego when he talked about the RSN issue.
MLB can buy back their broadcasting rights for the 20 teams that are impacted by the Sinclair and WBD owned RSNs going bankrupt for pennies on the dollar and then sell the MLB product to the cable companies without the headache of having the other local sports tied to their product. They can also start selling streaming packages a la carte to fans locally. No more blackouts.
MLB also then gets to control the distribution of revenue. MLB is LOVING this and will make more money, not less if Sinclair and WBD owned RSNs declare bankruptcy.
Hired Gun 23
The term ‘cable’ is too vague for me to place specific blame. Are we talking wire or jumper cable or a third, more sinister culprit? And full disclosure, I once bid up a Padres jersey signed by Sean Burroughs at a local high school auction and then stopped and let someone else get it for $100 bucks. I knew deep down it wasn’t worth more than $25 and now is probably at a thrift store waiting to be pounced on for like 5 bucks…
cowdisciple
Castellini, is that you?
YankeesBleacherCreature
If Boras allows Soto to sign an extension, it’s guaranteed to not only be the largest contract ever but also the most convoluted. I hope he stays in SD.
Rsox
15 year contract with 14 opt-outs and a full no trade clause
hiflew
If Boras is smart, he will be encouraging a quick signing before salaries get slashed once the TV money goes away.
User 401527550
Salaries slashed? Tv money isn’t going away. It is going to be updated to modern teams and how people get their entertainment. Money isn’t going down in any of our lifetimes.
nosake
I hope they get rid of Soto. Big disappointment.
raregokus
Who would you rather have instead?
rondon
For half a billion dollars? Ohtani.
Gwynning
No more sake for you! Let’s judge Soto on his next 6 months versus the previous 2 played months.
nosake
Yeah? Like the Pads have a choice?
gbs42
“If Boras allows?”
The agent works for the player and provides advice. The player can instruct his agent to get an extension done. It has happened several times before with Boras clients.
Pads Fans
I don’t think most fans understand the client – agent relationship. Agents don’t get to make the decisions. They are advisers, not bosses.
YankeesBleacherCreature
@gbs I’m fully aware of how that relationship works and extensions he had his clients sign.
gbs42
You said “if Boras allows Soto to sign an extension,” which certainly made it sound like Boras was the one in charge.
websoulsurfer
He never “HAD” his clients sign anything. He advised them to sign, and they made a decision if they wanted to sign the deal.
User 401527550
You don’t think Boras knows how to talk his clients into doing what ever he wants them to do? Have you missed the last twenty years.
gbs42
Boras can advise and recommend. It’s the players who decide, though I’m sure some of them just leave it up to their agent.
Pads Fans
I do too. I mean who wouldn’t want to extend a 24 year old with a 157 career OPS+? a DOWN year for him is a 149 OPS+!!
That 15/440 deal he turned down in Washington is looking mighty good right about now I bet. Get it done Seidler.
MPrck
Soto, now there’s a question mark. You can say he’s young, and has not filled out yet. You can say less games on the West Coast may help. Leading in walks is cool, but does he just clog the bases ? With home runs going well in spring training did M.L.B. juice up the baseballs again ? If so, he’s worth that 30 Million a year he turned down.
Neon Cop
Now I’ve seen it all — getting on base is bad? Please seek help.
hiflew
Why not? People have tried convincing others that getting singles is bad.
Seriously though, I get his point. You don’t want your big time power hitter getting walks so much. You want the guys in front of him getting walks. It’s why teams had no problem walking Barry Bonds all the time. Putting a power hitter on base via walk is much better than watching him circle the bases.
Gwynning
If he walks “too much” then arrange your lineup more accordingly. He can leadoff, Bogey or Tatis 2nd and Machado 3rd. Having a high OBP is far from a “problem”
SweetBabyRayKingsThickThighs
And if they’re a slow runner it has to be a homer or triple to score them from first. Just pitch around and hope the guy behind him won’t hit a homer.
Zonedeads
That would lead to a lot of double plays.
hiflew
It doesn’t matter how the lineup is arranged. If Soto is your biggest power threat, then he is the one that should be getting more than just walks.
Ma4170
In fairness, if getting on via walk is your biggest value (with a 390 SLG), you’re not that valuable. But I do think Soto will bounce back to be the hitter he was.
Yanksfan75
Getting on base bad? With pitch counts and shifts well we we will see a different shift this year……but why don’t hitters work the count so the pitcher blows past his count faster? Plus the shift is a open invite to go the other way and yes work the count….
The avg salary is what 4.3 mil a year if they don’t how to go the other way or walk more often by working the count….. would it be asking to much of the player to learn those basic MLB level skills????
User 401527550
It’s always entertaining to watch a player take a pitch down the middle trying to work pitch counts. Many teams have far better relief pitching than starters but let’s try to get to the bullpen early by walking and leaving people on base. This is one of the many reasons runs scored is dropping almost every year since saber metrics became the go to for baseball.
Brew’88
I mean, .525 Slg, .950 OPS and 125 HRs in 4 youthful years doesn’t sound like a punch n Judy hitter to me. The Bonds-like OBP is just a bonus. What other crazy stuff do you believe?
Rsox
“Don’t make me point at Pete”
BaseballisLife
I don’t think many people got that reference Rsox.
gbs42
“does he clog the bases?”. Getting on base is a good thing about 99% of the time. It’s adding a baserunner and avoiding an out.
Soto is worth well over $30M a year, and the only way he doesn’t get that AAV is if he signs an incredibly long contract, $500M/17 years or something like that.
Pads Fans
Pitchers threw Soto a strike 7.7% fewer times than league average. 3.9% less than the player with the next lowest percentage of strikes thrown to him.
That does not include intentional bases on balls. Over the last 3 seasons he has led baseball in intentional walks.
He was pitched around in most at bats. That won’t happen in 2023 in a Padres lineup that includes Machado, Bogaerts, Tatis, Cruz, Cronenworth, etc…. Add to that the fact that in 59% of his at bats teams employed an extreme shift.
In 2023 it is going to be so much fun to watch Soto play. Here are my projections.
.280/.425/.525/.950 with 30 HR and a 170 OPS+
Hired Gun 23
Fans shouldn’t worry too much. Baseball owners don’t do anything to hurt their bottom line. There’s an angle to this that hasn’t been made visible yet. So sit tight, enjoy the season and hope a meteor doesn’t hit the Earth, thus destroying the A’s and Rays’ proposed new stadium sites and the announcing of expansion franshises to Montreal and Charlotte…
davidrocholl
While these 2 sites are near the top of the list. Nashville and Vegas are atop the list. These 2 sites also make it a bit easier for realignment!!
jorge78
Vegas hasn’t breathed a word about wanting the Athletics in a town built on rumors and the Nashville group wants expansion.
Parlay?
websoulsurfer
Nashville, Portland, Charlotte, Montreal. Right now, those are the only cities under consideration. Only two have both a location secured and funding to build a new stadium, Nashville and Portland.
Las Vegas is the 40th largest TV market and whether MLB, or Apple, or NBC, or the RSNs are broadcasting those games, it will the other owners millions each to move a team there.
‘The money is in the TV and streaming and no one is starting a team or moving a team to a place that would cost them millions in TV and streaming money to be there.
outinleftfield
Regardless of the lack of logic or money in moving to Vegas, people do not want to hear that MLB won’t put a team there any time soon. Its a relatively tiny TV market and even if MLB waived the $1+ billion fee to move, it doesn’t make any sense to move there.
The A’s don’t even want to be there. They let their options to buy 5 different tracts of land there expire after the state and county both said there is no money to build a new stadium and the A’s would have to foot the entire bill.
MLB and the A’s have tried to use Vegas as leverage to get the city of Oakland or Alameda county moving faster and spend taxpayer dollars and it failed. Oakland will continue to move at its own speed and the A’s are not moving out of the 6th largest TV market. It would cost MLB, meaning all the owners, too much money.
As far as expansion, Nashville has a site for the stadium, they have corporate involvement from AT&T already, and about 5000 people have put down a deposit for season tickets so far.
Portland also has a stadium site secured with several other options if the EIS comes back a negative, $1.3 billion in funding secured as of 2019, and nearly 20,000 people that have put down a deposit on season tickets.
Those are the 2 most likely cities to get an expansion team.
jorge78
Nashville before any other city…..
jorge78
Hired Gun 23: Nashville first…..
Hired Gun 23
jorge78…maybe but I still think Montreal gets a team too.
brodie-bruce
@hired gun 23 would the fans of montreal sports even want a team back after what loria and the strike did to the expos. especially with the way the a’s spend money i could see the city turning on them because of there owner. imho to get bb to thrive in montreal it would have to be an expansion team with a hungry owner/group that wants to win to win back the trust of the fans
Hired Gun 23
brodie-bruce…from everything I’ve read and heard, yes. Supposedly, there is an eagerness to bring baseball back to Montreal and there are investors ready to make it happen.
brodie-bruce
@gun ok thanks for sharing that and i should of done more research on mon and bb, i still think the biggest issue there is going to be gaining trust of the fans. it’s something that is going to be in the back of every fans mind for some time wondering when ownership or mlb is going to screw them again. tbh i think that’s why the fish have a hard time drawing in fans because they lost faith in the last owner (who ironically killed the expos). it’s easier to lose faith/trust than it is to earn or get it bac
BaseballisLife
Attendance in Montreal was so bad when they had a team. My wife and I would fly up and even on weekends you could walk up and get a great seat behind home plate.
Rsox
Bad stadium and outdated stadium even when it was new. If they had been able to build what was supposed to be called “Labatt Park” the Expos fortunes could have been vastly different
This one belongs to the Reds
They won’t expand until they solve the revenue disparity problem. Otherwise, they will be contracting.
Rsox
Both teams have to have their stadium issues solved in the next few years so i would expect expansion somewhere between the 2028-2030 seasons
Hired Gun 23
This one…if there is a way to bring in more revenues with an expansion fees, MLB and the MLBPA will take it. And then after the money is counted, talk more about how we need to fix the rich and the poor owners’ problems.
BaseballisLife
Hired Gun, $2 billion in expansion fees for the owners and 26 new jobs for MLBPA per new team. That’s a win- win.
BaseballisLife
Yup. The Reds are being contracted.
This one belongs to the Reds
If they are, theyll be joined by about 15 others, at least for a while until more go under. Enjoy your 8 team league.
DanUgglasRing
Criminally unrealistic take. Just because Reds owners don’t care about wether or not the team performs doesn’t mean everyone else should be subject to your misery. Take a walk, have a beer, go check Joey Votto’s social media or something.
This one belongs to the Reds
Caring about how a team performs and market disparity are two separate issues despite large market apologists trying to make them the same.
Face it, 20 teams go into each season knowing they have little chance. That’s why young people and flyover country have tuned the game out.
No amount of bovine excrement being spread will change that.
DanUgglasRing
You’ve literally described every single major sport except maybe the NFL. In your future where MLB NBA and NHL have ceased to exist only to make room for the 64th NFL expansion team, are there still rainbows? Do children still smile?
Hired Gun 23
There are rich folk with money to burn waiting in the wings to take over teams, in all major sports, before they’d ever fold. It’s a status thing to own a sports franchise. So don’t despair, I’m positive there are kids from sea to shining sea, including the Midwest, throwing around a baseball or swinging a bat trying to obtain the skills necessary to be the first to get that long term, billion dollar contract…no worries.
websoulsurfer
The Padres used to be one of those small market teams that had fans that went into every season knowing they had little chance outside of a miracle.
Seidler has shown that the argument that small market teams cannot spend is bovine excrement.
outinleftfield
Cincinnati is a tiny TV market. Bigger than Vegas, but one of the smallest in MLB. If any teams would be considered for contraction if team values start dropping and teams start filing for bankruptcy, the Reds would be near the top of the list. They just don’t make the other owners enough money and they don’t spend to contend.
outinleftfield
MLB is not contracting. The owners are making too much money and the MLBPA would never agree to fewer jobs unless MLB teams were going bankrupt in large numbers.
$4.4 billion is what 2 new expansion teams would pay the other 30 owners, the dollars MLB is getting for national TV deals would increase, and it would mean 52 more jobs for MLB players. Expansion makes sense.
Its just a matter of time and that time is the next couple of years. The only thing holding it back right now is the RSN situation. Once that is resolved, expect MLB to announce expansion soon thereafter. Certainly by the time negotiations start for the next CBA.
This one belongs to the Reds
MLBPA wont have a chooce if teams go bankrupt. Not every team have a local TV deal like the large markets that pay for their salaries alone, but large market fans don’t get that.
No one is moving if there is nowhere to go and no one is getting a new owner if no one is buying. The Angels found that out recently though no one said it aloud.
As far as expansion or relocation, that would be a multi year process as a franchise and stadium don’t happen overnight. Also, after the initial newness, they would be in the same situation as 16-20 franchises that are behind the 8 ball each year before they get started. Who is going to want to deal with that?
The system as it stands now is unsustainable for EVERYONE, only a selected few where the largest revenues reside.
outinleftfield
Reds, what are you talking about? Unless MLB as a whole goes bankrupt, the MLBPA will still have a say. 3 car manufacturers had to bailed out of bankruptcy by the taxpayers and the union deals did not get canceled.
I am an Angels fan, and they ARE a large market. San Diego, the team that is showing that everything you are saying is wrong, is a small market team.
The Angels were not sold because Arte Moreno has too many lawsuits hanging over his head and no one wants to take on that headache until they know what happens with the lawsuits against him by the family of Tyler Skaggs and the city of Anaheim. He had offers in excess of $2.5 billion as long as he indemnified the new owners against the lawsuits. He decided to wait and see if by some miracle the team could make the playoffs this season and put more money in his pockets.
Announcing expansion and the team starting play don’t happen in the same season. Since Nashville and Portland have the site, the stadium plans, and the funding mostly in place, getting started would take only as long as the stadium takes to be built. Maybe 2 years after the EIS is complete?
No team lost money. The commissioner said as much in the negotiations for the current CBA. Not one.
As several people have noted, the Padres CEO said that even with a big increase in spending, they have not lost money. They are NOT one of the places where the “largest revenues reside”.
As the system stands now either small market teams make huge profits and DON’T field a competitive team like the A’s, Pirates, and Reds; they make a small profit and compete like the Padres, or they are smarter than the average bear and both make a huge profit and compete like the Rays.
Its sad that the owner of the team that you root for picked option one, but it doesn’t change the reality of finances in the game.
Your whining has gotten shrill and its misplaced.
This one belongs to the Reds
The Angels have the 7th highest payroll at 302 million. tTge Padres in 3923 are actually 223 which means the escaltion is later on.
On the other hand, the Reds payroll has never beenn higher than 130 million and I have pointed out several times on here 82 million is a middle finger to the fans despite hearing they wont compete anyway even though no games were played yet and no one has a Delorean.
But how a team is run and the revenue disparity are separate issues despite large market fans trying to make them the same.
I get it, large market fans don’t want to hear their team has a big advantage over two thirds of MLB, especially when they don’t win.
I wish you luck keeping Ohtani. I personally don’t think he’s going anywhere, especially to NYC or he would have in the beginning.
outinleftfield
The Angels payroll is no where near $302 million. For CBT purposes, it is $222 million for 2023. The Padres CBT payroll is around $273 million for 2023. The Reds CBT payroll is at $97 million for 2023 and was $150 million in 2019. legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/na…
None of those have ANYTHING to do with market size or revenue. .
The Padres are one of the 7 small market teams that RECEIVE revenue sharing money from the league as well as an extra draft pick called a Competitive Balance pick.
The Reds are also one of those 7 small market teams that are recipients of revenue sharing and a CB pick. The Padres and Reds are in the same boat.
The Padres ownership has decided to spend money to try to win. The Reds owner has decided to pocket those millions and lose.
So please, can it. Your misinformation and constant whining is getting annoying.
This one belongs to the Reds
You can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig…and thanks for generously pointing out my typo of 202 million.
You come up with numbers that didn’t correspond with what I found and that’s fine. Every source probably says something different.
You keep calling out my owner who I already admitted gave the fans a middle finger instead of discussing the real issue. Our GM sat on his hands all offseason instead of making what improvements he could at what they could afford.
We saw there was plenty of that out there.
You speak of revenue sharing but that is a farce and every small market fan knows it.
It was my impression thIs was a discussion board. There are real issues in the game you refuse to acknowledge because it doesn’t fit your prospective. That’s fine but you decide to be annoying and callus.
I have every right to be here and comment just like you do. Can it? Really? You think you run this board? I think not.
Just another internet troll in the end. There seem to be plenty of them here.
Pads Fans
Reds, maybe you need to learn where to look BEFORE commenting. All the links on here to Cots Baseball Contracts just about every day should have been a neon sign size hint for you.
You are right, you are nothing but an internet troll in the end. That you are big enough to admit you are nothing but a troll right now gives us all hope that you can change and become a contributing part of this website.
RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame
Enjoy the comment section now boys..because by 10am, hundreds of amateur accountants will be here triggered at this article like it just shot their puppy.
Gwynning
The Braves just reported 2022 Revenue as $588m. They have a very similar attendance rate, build and makeup as San Diego, albeit with a smaller payroll. This suggests that not only is St. Peter the Savior and Patron Saint of Padre Baseball, but he is very obviously still making money. My only question is where does he want his statue?
Hired Gun 23
Hopefully in the spot currently occupied by the San Diego Union-Tribune tent where they’re still trying to push subscriptions with the reward being an ‘SD’ logo blanket. I don’t know how many more times I can walk by them and not sign up…it’s a sweet blanket, man!
LFGMets (Metsin7)
Braves may of had 588 million in revenue but you need to deduct their expenses to get their net income, aka how much they actually profited
Gwynning
Profit was estimated at +$200m. In the coming days and/or hours, perhaps a Brave fan can break it down further for us. I would like to hear a more insightful take on the matter. I’m too lazy… err… busy to dive into the breakdown. I might even suggest that the Pads had a larger income stream; they do have a larger stake in nearby parking lots which run $50 a car, they sold more merchandise and (looking forward) 2023 is virtually sold out as of now. Without benefit of open books on every team, it’d still be difficult to convince me that most if not every team is making money. If the Pirates (sorry to their real fans, just an example…) were losing money, then do we really suspect Nutting would be hanging around?
Pads Fans
You can see for yourself. Its all public information for the Braves. Just go download it.
In all other major sports in the US, players are guaranteed salaries plus benefits of 50% of gross revenue for the sport.
In MLB that is basically how the CBT is calculated. AAV for all contracts plus benefits. For the Braves that would mean a CBT payroll of $294 million. They were only $80 million short last season.
hiflew
If they had a profit of $200MM on revenue of $588MM, they must be the most well run company in the history of the world. I seriously doubt they are running with a 34% profit margin. Their profits are probably more in the realm of $50-60MM with that revenue. Still not a bad take home pay.
Gwynning
Again, I didn’t break it down to the penny, I factored their reported Operating Income at $85m plus their Team Payroll of $175m plus all reported incidentals of roughly $100m equals $360m. Reported Revenue was $588m. Accounting for odds and ends not included in Incidentals, I very roughly calculated $200m profit. Again, I hope somebody can break this down further for us as it’s getting very late here and I’m juggling 3 things at once whilst trying to do rough math in the interim. Again, the effective point is teams are making good money, and even if they aren’t then I agree that Mr. Seidler can empty his wallet any which way he chooses.
Very Barry
What happens to the Padres in 3 years. You are saddled with all the same payroll with an aging roster and no pitching. Still got contracts with over 7 years left and NOBODY interested in the dead weight. Losses mount. Attendance falls (revenue falls). Cable model is dead and you are relying on streaming to make up lost cable revenue. In the San Diego market …. Exactly how much you gonna have to charge per month for streaming to make ends meet? $500 per month?? $1,000 per month. This ain’t New York, L.A. or Chicago.
Brew’88
In 3 years the Pads will have a 27 yr old Tatis and Soto, approaching their prime. Cant wait.
bjsguess
Your math is WAY off. Liberty reported net income in the $70M range for baseball operations for the 2022 season. That was a decrease from ~ $100M in 2021. Assuming Padres have similar revenue, they aren’t turning a profit at their current payroll levels.
That’s fine though. As long as ownership is willing to go out of pocket to subsidize the business you’ll be fine. However, if budgets need to balance or if ownership seeks to turn a profit, these contracts are going to be very difficult to work with.
Very Barry
A 27 year old Tatis without “vitamin enhancement”? A 27 year old Soto? Who plays like Juan Soto did a Padres uniform last year? You gonna give Josh Hader 10 years as well? Who exactly is gonna comprise the starting rotation? Yu Darvish still the ace? Will Bogaerts be able to hit above .220 in 3 years???
LFGSD619
You just assume Soto stays?
Brew88
Hey Very Barry! Every MLB team would want Tatis and Soto in three years, and in Tati’s case, at just $27 MM a year, cheap for a top 3 hitter in MLB. Will Bogaerts hit above 220 in 3 years. Of course he will, now you’re being funny Who is going to comprise the SP rotation in 3 years? Darvish, Musgrove, some combination of Wacha/Martinez, probably another FA or two at the #1 (Ohtani) or #2 SP level, and that’s also when they start bringing up some to the hottest SP prospects in MLB – Snelling, Lesko, Lizarraga, Williams, Mazur.
I’m a Giants fan who envies the long-term commitment Padre owner Seidler has shown.
Brew88
I assum Soto stays only because Seidler has said he’s now the top priority to extend. Can you name a case where Seidler’s public commitment was not fulfilled? Soto might want to go elsewhere however, so there is that possibility. But it’s likely he stays.
brodie-bruce
@brew88 not every team wants soto, i don’t won’t him on the cards because of his d, nor do we need a dh making over 30+ for 10+ years.
gbs42
“may of”
Yeah, I’m gonna be a grammar policeman because good God!
May have, would have, should have, and could have are real word pairings. The last three can be shortened to would’ve, should’ve, could’ve. I get that the sound of ‘ve is similar to of, but that doesn’t mean it’s correct.
Rant over, time to go yell at the kids to get off my lawn.
Brew88
@brodie I totally get what you’re saying and if your team has a very limited payroll, then that’s understandable. But $ aside, hard to image a team wouldn’t want a 24 year old future HOFer in their lineup. But I’m a fan with no interest or skillset to play GM
brodie-bruce
@brew88 i get what your saying and there good points and if the cards wanted him they have the money to do so but that’s not how we do business. also let’s pump the brakes on soto being a hof’er i’d say that is his celling but is not there yet. a lot can happen between now and his retirement and injuries could derail any hof chance he has. there is a lot of players that had the stuff to be a hof’er but injuries kept them out.
Gwynning
bjsguess- I have to assume you meant $70m Net PROFIT? Their reported Net Income was $588m. All your points are valid, though. Obviously I seem to have missed a determining factor or two in my original assessment. Cheers
Brew88
@brodie Yeah I should have said potential future HOFer, long way to go. Of the young players in the game, he’s on track though.
brodie-bruce
@brew88 i can agree with thats, it’s also been a pet-peeve of mine when fans and media start enshrining guys before doing something or had a few good years. all that said if soto stays healthy and keeps mashing i can see him in cooperstown when it’s all said and done
LFGSD619
Yes. He said Mike Clevinger was his top priority to extend immediately after they extended Joe Musgrove. And none of the dudes he has extended so far were future HOF Boras clients.
This one belongs to the Reds
Too many folks assuming salaries are the only expenses of a baseball team. I laugh everytime I read this. They have no clue what it costs to run an MLB team but think they are experts.
Brew88
@justme. I don’t recall Seidler coming out publicly and saying that, though I know Clevinger was hoping for that. If Seidler did make that a top priority, here’s to him being smart and backing down on his word! (in this case)
BaseballisLife
Reds, either do you apparently. Even when it’s public information for two teams.
This one belongs to the Reds
2 out of 30. Yeah that tells about every franchise. Thats like saying you know everything about every tech firm because you worked at Apple.
Get a clue.
Pads Fans
I cannot find a single time when Seidler said that about Clevinger. Not on the Union Tribune, MLB.com, or this website or anywhere else for that matter.
By August of last season the Padres had already been notified of the MLB investigation of Clevinger that began earlier in the summer, so I highly doubt he ever said that.
Here is every article that mentions or quotes Seidler August 1st to thee end of October. Can you pick out the one where he says extending Clevinger was a priority?
google.com/search?q=peter+seidler+on+mike+clevinge…
Pads Fans
Are you really trying to say that the Braves and Blue Jays expenses are markedly different from other teams? There are certainly small differences, but nothing major.
Its pretty obvious that you have never taken the time to read the quarterly or annual reports for either team. If you had, you would have seen both incredible similarities in expenses between those two teams despite being in different countries and situations in terms of ballparks and labor laws, and comments by executives from both teams regarding how their expenses compare to other teams in the league on average. Buy a share of stock in each. They are not expensive. Get some skin in the game. READ the quarterly and annual reports FIRST. Then comment,
He is right. Your comments are unbelievably uninformed.
This one belongs to the Reds
When you use large markets as examples, you are uninformed about most of the league.
Mist intelligent fans with no agenda know this. It is just the big market apologists who talk like they know everything when the opposite is true.
Pads Fans
So you are admitting that you both refuse to even look at their public books and that you are totally uninformed about what is going on, but STILL think you should comment?.
Interesting. You are willfully ignorant and apparently proud of it.
This one belongs to the Reds
There is much different but you seem to think you know how all teams are operated with a couple examples. I think we all know who is actually ignorant.
LFGSD619
Dennis Lin mentioned in an article in the Athletic in early August.
websoulsurfer
I truly wanted to find that article you are talking about. Hoping you can help us all see it.
Here is every article in August 2022 either by Dennis Lin that mentions Clevinger or that mentions both Dennis Lin and Clevinger.
Which one is it?
google.com/search?q=dennis+lin+%22clevinger%22…
websoulsurfer
Maybe it would be easier for you to just look through all the articles about the Padres in August 2022. I read 10 of them and couldn’t find one that mentioned Seidler saying that Clevinger was the teams priority.
I don’t think they will let me post all the links individually to the 10 articles on the Athletic about the Padres, so maybe you could start here
google.com/search?q=The+athletic+padres+&clie…
and let us know which of those articles it was where Dennis Lin wrote that Seidler said that Clevinger was the team’s priority.
Deleted Userrr
Honestly I’m not even a Padres fan and I found the link justme was talking about in less than a minute. You must not be very good at Googling.
outinleftfield
Large corporations typically increase spending for this year and next year based on what they earned last year. That might be why the Braves have increased spending $17 million this offseason.
That is not close to 50% of last year’s revenue, but they are moving in the right direction.
If I my company might see a dip in short term revenue, I would be hesitant to increase spending too much this year even if my revenue was up last year. Once the RSN situation is resolved, they will have no excuses.
outinleftfield
BJ, The Braves reported operating income of $71 million, not net income. Operating income is after all operating expenses, including employee salaries but not including interest paid on debts, are factored in.
In MLB, COGS (cost of goods sold) is basically all expenses other than interest paid on debts, so operating income would be closer to what I would call gross profit in my company.
outinleftfield
Gwynning, their gross revenue was $588 million. Their operating income, what most small corporations would call gross profit, was $71 million.
Pads Fans
Jim, then post the link.
Here are all of the articles he has written.
theathletic.com/author/dennis-lin/
Gwynning
Yeah, my bad! It was late and I was boggled down with incorrect terminology. Tha ks for clarification, I never intend to be wrong… but we’re all human! Aloha
Deleted Userrr
Google it. I don’t enable ignorance or laziness. Do you really need mommy and daddy to hold your hand on these things?
websoulsurfer
Just admit you lied Jim. It’s not there because he never said it. I re-read every one of those articles from Dennis Lin in The Athletic again. Used “find on page” in each article for the words Seidler and then for Clevinger. Nothing in any of the articles by Dennis Lin in August or September that said that extending Clevinger was a priority of any kind. Top or otherwise.
In July Seidler knew of the investigation into Clevinger. That was certainly part of the reason the Padres never made Clevinger any offer at all. Which is a far cry from him being a priority.
If you can post a link, I will eat my words. Until then I call BS on your post.
Deleted Userrr
Just admit you lied about Spencer Strider being credited with two full years of service time for 2022 and about Eric Hosmer forfeiting the rest of his contract if he elects free agency and about the Padres offering CJ Abrams, MacKenzie Gore, Robert Hassell III, Luis Campusano, Reiss Knehr, and Joshua Mears for Ohtani at the deadline last season.
And why is it that you expect others to provide links to back up their claims but refuse to do it when you are asked and think no one will notice? And then mute anyone that does. Why is that?
websoulsurfer
YOU claimed that you found an article written by Lin in August where Seidler said extending Clevinger was his top priority. I am calling you out saying you lied. That no such article exists.
I admitted I got it wrong on Hosmer. Now admit you outright lied on that article or post a link.
We all know you won’t post the link, because EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE Lin wrote is in that link Pads posted, ALL of them. Since he started at the Athletic. You lied about it and now you are trying to change the subject because you got caught in your lie.
Deleted Userrr
And you claimed that Spencer Strider got credited with 2 full years of service time for 2022 and that the Padres offered CJ Abrams, MacKenzie Gore, Robert Hassell III, Luis Campusano, Reiss Knehr, and Joshua Mears for Shohei Ohtani at the deadline last season and that Luis Campusano’s marijuana charges got reduced to a misdemeanor in November 2020 and block/mute anyone who DARES call you on it and always telling people to “say goodbye” when you block or mute them. That’s really freaking weird.
LFGSD619
Get lives. Both of you.
BaseballisLife
The person that is the origin of the non-existent article telling people that are commenting about that non-existent article should get a life? Ironic.
Deleted Userrr
It exists you just don’t know how to use Google.
websoulsurfer
Quit trying t0 change the subject. You lied about the link. There is no article with that in it. None by Dennis Lin. At all. Or anywhere on The Athletic.
If I commented about Campusano, provide a link to it.
When you get caught in lies, you try to change the subject. I am calling you out for telling a lie about that article. So, provide a link to the article or you will forever just be known as JimtheLiar,
websoulsurfer
Someone posted a link to every single article Dennis Lin has written on The Athletic. The article doesn’t exist. You got busted for lying about a non-existent article…again.
Every time you are caught lying you try to change the subject. You try to say some BS like “get better at Google” or some such garbage..
The one thing you never do is actually back up what you said with a link. Ever. Not once. That is how everyone knows you are lying.
If there was really an article, then occasionally you would actually post a link. You never do because there never is a link you can post. It exists only in your brain.
So instead of doubling down on your lie or trying to attack the other person, just stop lying or post the link.
Deleted Userrr
Just holding you to the same standard you demand of others. That you fail to see the irony is extremely concerning. Or to use one of your quotes…
No. I refused to help your lazy behind because you never, ever post anything of value or factually correct. No reason to. If you want the info, look it up. Otherwise FO.
websoulsurfer
No. You are trying to change the subject.
Notice I said that IF I commented about Campusano, to provide a link. You couldn’t do so. You just tried to change the subject and attack. That is a sure sign you are lying.
I called you out about your lie about Seidler and Clevinger and you STILL cannot pride a link.
You know why? You lied. There is no link, because the article doesn’t exist.
You consistently lie and then attack others when they call you on your lies. That is your schtick. We all know it.
Deleted Userrr
In your case, projection is a real thing. Difference is your go-to is blocking/muting people who call you on your lies. And telling them to “say goodbye.” Who does that?
websoulsurfer
Who am I blocking? Your other accounts? If I have ever said “say goodbye”, post a link to that article.
Nearly all of the people I have muted are people that made disgusting comments or talked about politics. The others are Ryan’s multiple accounts. Oh, and Samuel.
The plain and simple fact is you lied. And you continue to try to attack and change the subject.
There is no link you can come up with, because there is no article. Seidler never said that at any point after extending Musgrove.
If there was, it would be easy for you to repair your completely crushed reputation on this website by just posting the link. But you can’t.
So just keep on lying Jimmy. Keep on trying to attack others and trying to change the subject when you are caught lying. We all know that is your way and you just keep doing it over and over.
Deleted Userrr
Lol of all the people to talk about “crushed reputation.” Did you ever come up with that link for Eric Hosmer not being able to elect free agency without forfeiting his contract or Preller offering CJ Abrams, MacKenzie Gore, Robert Hassell III, Luis Campusano, Reiss Knehr, and Joshua Mears for Shohei Ohtani or Giancarlo Stanton having an opt-out clause somehow making him worth more in trade?
websoulsurfer
Still no links. To anything. Jimmy. You are still trying to deflect from your lies with attempts at attacks and changing the subject.
Stay focused here. The subject is your lie about a supposed article. There is no article. Seidler never said anything about Clevinger being their top priority after extending Musgrove.
If it was easy to Google it and find a link, you would do that instead of trying to change the subject with more lies and attacks.
Your actions prove my points, So, please keep trying to attack me. The more you do, the deeper the hole you dig for yourself, and the worse you look.
Deleted Userrr
And if it was easy to Google Eric Hosmer forfeiting his salary if he refuses an outright assignment and AJ Preller offering those players for Shohei Ohtani and all your other claims you would do the same. You would have ZERO reason not to.
websoulsurfer
Show us the article about Seidler and Clevinger Jimmy. Show me where I ever said any of that? Provide a link. If you were telling the truth it would be easy to do.
Or keep trying to lie about it. Keep trying to attack and change the subject.
Here is a clue. You can’t. All you can do is lie more. Try to attack more. Try to change the subject from your lies.
It’s not working Jimmy.
Seidler never said that about Clevinger after extending Musgrove. You lied about there being an article. There is no way around that fact Jimmy
Deleted Userrr
“I have talked to many people that I work with in the industry, other scouts, player personnel execs, and GMs, about Stanton’s trade situation and they all feel the same way. Stanton’s opt-out in no way affects his trade value negatively. Their reasoning is that the opt out is a positive for the team trading for him because if Stanton has 3 seasons that are so productive that he feels he will get more than $218 million, then the team that traded for him will have received surplus value. We could go into the numbers, but its simple really, 3 seasons of 50 home runs and above average defense is worth a whole heck of a lot more than $25 million per season. Their worry is not the opt out itself, its that he may not opt out and they are stuck with Stanton from age 31 to 37 and owe him $218 million. It’s having to pay for his declining value with increasing dollars that worries them.” – websoulsurfer
blogs.fangraphs.com/giancarlo-stantons-opt-out-cap…
DogDays2
It doesn’t matter if he’s making money. It’s his money to spend as he pleases.
Gwynning
Well said DogDays. That’s the essence of how I feel as well. Mr. Seidler seems enamored with the team and it’s direction, and I couldn’t be much happier myself.
Pads Fans
Padres CEO Erik Greupner said a week or so ago that the Padres did not lose money last season. He said that at that time, which was before the Machado signing, that they would not lose money this season.
LFGMets (Metsin7)
With this new pitch clock, Hader is gonna have his worst season. Once the batter was set, he would wait 12-15 seconds before throwing a pitch and until the batters arm would get tired. Hes the biggest abuser of wasting time I’ve ever seen
Hired Gun 23
So I wonder if the trumpter will be back this season for Edwin Diaz? I so enjoyed that extra few minutes it took away from the game…
Ella B
Diaz has his walk up song play while he jogs to the mound. Once he toes the rubber to warm up, the music stops. Doesn’t take any more time than any other reliever coming out of the bullpen, but definitely faster than the Mad Hungarian, Al Hrabosky!
Brew’88
One this is for certain, there will be a new nickname or two that come from the rule changes this year
Brew88
Craig “16 seconds” Kimbrel
Logan “timer-tamer” Webb
Ha-Seong The Human Shift Kim
etc..
BaseballisLife
You may want to look that up. Hader was middle of the pack in time between pitches last season for closers.
baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/pitch-tempo
LFGMets (Metsin7)
@Baseballislife im not really talking about time between pitches, im mainly talking once the batter is in his set position that he would take a long time to throw the ball, he would do it just before the hitter was about to call timeout
outinleftfield
That is actually pitch tempo Baseballislife. It includes the time from when he releases to ball until he releases it for the next pitch, so it only includes pitches thrown to the same batter. That is different from how the pitch clock works.
Hader was at 16.1 seconds last season in terms of how the pitch clock is measured this season. He won’t have much of an adjustment to make.
BaseballisLife
Thanks. I didn’t realize that difference.
websoulsurfer
If his time between pitches was 16 seconds total when measured as they do for the pitch clock now, how did he hold the ball 12-15 seconds after the batter was set? What you said makes no sense Mets.
Pads Fans
Wouldn’t be something if the Padres signed Soto to that same extension the Nationals offered last season and in the process lower the amount he would be paid in 2024 and put his AAV for the next 15 years at just $29.33 million?
outinleftfield
If the contracts the Padres are signing people to this offseason are any indication, maybe a 16/500 extension starting in 2024, takes him through his age 41 season, and has a $31.25 million AAV.
Pads Fans
If that is what it takes, get it done.
DrDan75
I guess that means they’re going to let Blake Snell walk. It’s a shame, he’s performed pretty over the last few years. Of course, Snell probably wants to do a Joe Musgrove and sign a fat contract with his hometown Mariners.
Gwynning
Perhaps Urias > Snell?
We’re already hearing from Peter the Great that he wants a ticket to the Ohtani sweepstakes, too. Exciting times, but let’s worry about next Offseason at a later date!
Pads Fans
Snell needs to prove he can stay healthy a full season. 128 IP isn’t going to cut it unless you pitch like Kershaw. He hasn’t for the Padres.
If he can put up a 3.38 ERA again over 160+ innings, then maybe.
I really think that the Padres are going to go all in on Ohtani and if its obvious they can’t sign him pivot to Urias.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
How much money do the Padres have?
SanDiegoTom
I’ll never understand why people obsess over how other people spend their money. It’s weird
jorge78
Because it trickles down to us in cable fees or streaming fees (internet fee to TV needed) so we have a little skin in the game?
OK, a “little” skin for some but not to me!
Yes, I’m that poor…..
YourDreamGM
Salaries don’t effect consumers. It’s actually the other way around. You can only charge what your demographic is willing to pay. They will cut there cable or not buy that beer. Owners aren’t nice. If you are willing to pay more they would already charge you more before they give Soto a half billion.
jorge78
Yes, finally!
CardsFan57
So prices drive cost in your economic world. Interesting.
bjsguess
It matters because baseball has become unaffordable for many. My last game at Petco was $300/ticket + $45/parking. Granted, the place was packed and there is a ton of money in SD. It’s just sad as a long time Padres fan. We’d catch day games at Jack Murphy for like $5. As a high schooler I probably went to 15 games a year, all paid by me with my minimum wage job. Kids these days could never afford to do that now. A whole generation is growing up without experiencing the thrill of a live game.
brodie-bruce
@bjs i think that’s the biggest reason the sport is dying, i became a fan because my dad took me and my brother to bb games when i was young and it didn’t cost a weeks wage to go. bb is one of them sports that 3 generations of fans can go and enjoy and have those memories for life
Very Barry
Which will ultimately cause great harm to the popularity of the sport. Kids already are not playing, nor watching because they would rather play video games. Parents getting priced out of allowing their kids to see, or be in awe of professional athletes, will lead to them completely not caring whatsoever. They can ALL name the top gamers. They are struggling to name the top athletes now. Caring less and less.
BaseballisLife
Little league is booming. We had to expand the number of teams. Having a hard time finding enough parents and grandparents to volunteer to coach and do other jobs. You want to come down to Jupiter and help with our “dying” little league?
This one belongs to the Reds
Bjs, brodie, barry, You guys get it.
I love the game and dont want to see it due.
Unfortunately those running it are doing everything to cause the opposite.
outinleftfield
In Orange County, it has been incredible how many kids came out for Little League after the COVID restrictions were lifted. We don’t have near enough parents and other volunteers to field all the teams we could have had play. We ended up expanding the number of kids on each team which really wasn’t fair to the kids.
I would be willing to bet other LL around the country are having the same problem of lots of kids that want to play and not enough volunteers. If you love baseball, go volunteer at your local LL.
This one belongs to the Reds
Already do. Have coached for years. Not everywhere is Orange County.
Explains a lot, being on the coast. Here they are more interested in soccer, football, basketball.
outinleftfield
Reds, LL told us that participation nationwide was up more than 20% this last year over 2019. That means that OC is not the only place that its way up.
In Ohio, participation was up 15.7% from pre-COVID numbers. Slightly lower than national average, but still exploding. That is thousands more kids playing in the state you claim to be from.
This one belongs to the Reds
I’m the first one to hope it is true because I love the game, otherwise I wouldn’t care. But must be different cities because we aren’t seeing it here compared to past years.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
It is kind of important though.
LFGSD619
Yes
spectaculer187
LOL at the Padres rushing to sign Machado before the Braves financials came out!
Gwynning
Yeah, it’s so weird… it’s almost like they didn’t look at their own books when making the decision. All teams take note: no signing players until we see Atlanta’s books!
dvmin98
Where were Preller and Peter Seidler in the 90’s and 00’s? My life would have been so much more fun instead of constant pain (expcept 96-98)
los_leebos
I dunno, but i also got really excited about the Jedd Gyorko and Cameron Maybin extensions too.
Mikenmn
Relievers (most, not all) are so volatile it makes you appreciate the handful of HOF names even more. Even some of the best almost inexplicably lose it. Yankees would have love to have that Chapman contact back, Kimbrell, Papelbon,
wvsteve
with what the braves have done and what a few other teams are attempting to do, there is a financial reason teams are wanting to sign these extensions.
YourDreamGM
Braves are getting significant discount so easy to see why they done it. Some of these other teams not so much. Contracts keep going up. Inflation seems to keep going. Maybe planning on needing actual baseball fans to give them money vs everyone who happens to have cable.
bpskelly
Say what you want, Peter Seidler is all in. It’s hard to claim most baseball owners are that.
Old York
Did San Diego find the unlimited money cheat code?
nottinghamforest13
Remember when we were supposed to despise Hader and all teams were supposed to avoid him because he was an alleged bigot?
Augusto Barojas
I’d be careful extending Hader. His 2022 season was too ugly. Unless he gives them a real discount, that would be the only way. Otherwise just wait until he does well this year and do it then. If he starts out anything like last year, they should be looking for another closer, not extending him.
vtadave
I’d guess:
8/160 for Hader
16/576 for Soto
That should push Ohtani to 17/800
Brew’88
All three can be had for bulk purchase of 9yr/$1.2 billion plus 3 years of Urias tossed in for bad behavior AND a set of kitchen knives
outinleftfield
Cutco? ARTE!! They are throwing in the knives too.
brodie-bruce
@vtadave i’m not sure i would want to do those deals, hader is a stud but other than a few relievers from what history has shown us have very short lifespans and are volatile, do you really wanna pay 20+ mil for a reliever that in 3 years might become just an arm in the pen.
also hard pass on soto he is a one dimensional player, who in the next year or two is just going to be a dh. unless the pads have defense coach that can help his d, do you wanna pay a dh only type 30+ mil for next decade
oh is a tough one because he is a unicorn and a stud, but baseball is a tough grind and wears on you leaving the question on how long can he be a two way player before he has to be either a fielder or a pitcher (hope he proves me wrong on that) not to mention who dh’s between oh and soto. the other concerning thing is if oh gets hurt and misses time now your down a big bat and top 3 starter. the plus side of the deal thou is oh will most likely pay off his contract alone in a few years due to merch sales within the asian community in sd and possibly the us not to mention japan.
with that all said gl pads and will see you in oct (hopefully my birds come out on top if we meet )
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I don’t think Hader is worth extending when they can pivot to Suarez.
Taking into account last year, I see Soto getting around 14 years, 450 million. This makes the team better although I don’t know if Soto is still a MLB top five player anymore, may have fallen to top ten.
Brew88
Unless they extend him another year or two. But cloers are getting long term deals lately and I don’t favor that either.
KingSall77
What is Padres current payroll. This team doesn’t run out of money.
Pads Fans
Around $273 million for CBT calculations and $236 million in actual 2023 payroll.
bloomquist4hof
There will be a limit to this and I think they’re trying everything they can to win it all in the next 3 years or so before they attempt to offload some of the players they stocked up on. The team as constructed could actually be good for longer but I’m guessing this a 3 year plan with the hope they can extend it out a couple years beyond that. They have an impressive amount of talent locked up.
bloomquist4hof
Even the next 5 years they should at least he decent especially if they keep Soto or sign Ohtani. Also I suspect if they’re scuffling in the next few years they can get out of some it by eating monet. If this is actually their real spending capacity they should be able to do that.
Cohen's _Wallet
Peter Seidler is a beast.
SanDiegoSuperDissapointingPadres
Seidler is the Oprah of the MLB…you get a 10yr extension and you get a 10yr extension!
AlBundysFanClubPresident
Hader 17 years $637 million.
Soto 18 years $914 million.
While they’re at it, ball boys and girls get lifetime extensions at $23.3 million per.
SportsFan0000
Soto choked in the 2nd half after the trade last year
(6 home runs 16 RBIs /236 BA 81 games)!?
Soto also choked in the playoffs last year.
I watched Soto take a lot of fastballs right down the middle last year
looking for walks with men on base.
The Padres traded 5-6 top young players and prospects for a legitimate, clutch, middle of the order superstar player.
I did not see that player last year in the 2nd half and in the playoffs with the Padres.
WHO WAS THE IMPOSTER WEARING PADRES BROWN LAST SEASON?!
Was it a fluke?!
OR Soto cannot handle the West Coast spotlight?!
Soto was not a team leader last year.
Soto does not appear to be capable of leading by example with the Padres.
If Soto plays like a 5M dollar a year player this year for the Padres,
;then TRADE HIM IN THE OFFSEASON, DON’T GIVE HIM 400m+
Would be happy if the Padres recouped at least 3-4 top young players and prospects for this guy in the ’23-’24 offseason.
Any team that gives Soto 300M-400M+ is crazy and will live to regret it!.
Once Soto gets his money, then he will get lazy and hit .233 with 6 home runs and 16
RBIs for the second half for your team
CHOKES IN BIG GAME SITUATIONS.
MOST OVER RATED PLAYER IN MLB.
CHOKES IN THE PLAYOFFS.
DON’T WASTE YOUR MONEY ON SOTO PADRES!
Pads Fans
The All Caps certainly makes it true. Why would anyone doubt you?
SportsFan0000
Not “all caps”, just a few areas of extra emphasis.
Loosen your tie a little.
We are talking baseball, not world politics.
Pads Fans
You just posted a TL;DR rant not based in reality and you are telling me to loosen my tie? LMFAO.
SportsFan0000
If is totally based on reality. Obviously, you don’t go to Padres games and/or watch them regularly.
All verifiable facts and repeated by the National Sports Media in the playoffs including Arod.
Soto did not produce after the trade.
The stats do not lie.
in the 2nd half after the trade last year
(6 home runs 16 RBIs /236 BA 81 games)!?
Soto also choked in the playoffs last year.
I watched Soto take a lot of fastballs right down the middle last year
looking for walks with men on base.
The Padres traded 5-6 top young players and prospects for a legitimate, clutch, middle of the order superstar player.
I did not see that player last year in the 2nd half and in the playoffs with the Padres.
Pads Fans
LMAO. I go to 81 home games a year. Full season package.
You are right. The stats don’t lie. The 130 OPS+ Soto produced in his 2 months with the Padres is 30% better than average. The 149 OPS+ he produced for the season is 49% better than average and top 8 in baseball. You simply have no clue what any of the stats mean. .
Soto walked at a lower percentage with the Padres than he did with the Nationals.
He had less strikes thrown to him than any player in MLB by a large margin last season. It was more pronounced with the Padres.
Once he joined the Padres he swung at pitches in the zone 3% more than he did with the Nationals.
He had a 12 point higher BA with men on base with the Padres (.257) than he did with the Nationals (.245). His OPS+ went from 127 to 130 with men on base once he got to the Padres. Let me make that simple for you. He did BETTER at hitting with men on base with the Padres.
He had a slightly higher BA (.239), OPS (.785), and OPS+ (131) in the playoffs than he did in the regular season. Can’t choke when you are playing slightly better
Just so you know, the playoff OPS+ is compared to other players that played in the playoffs last season. He went to the playoffs and improved his stats compared to and against the best of the best.
RBI is a team stat. Period. If you are even mentioning it, you are showing you have no clue about baseball.
Was Soto as good as he has been in the past? No. Other than Judge, Alvarez, and Goldschmidt, no one was as good last season as Soto has been in his career. Just those 3. Frickin’ amazing company to be in.
If you didn’t see a superstar player, you were not watching. Pay more attention and for God’s sake, learn what the stats actually mean. You are making yourself look even more pitiful each time you comment.
SportsFan0000
You don’t know me.
I am confident of my life long knowledge of baseball.
You degenerating into attacking me just destroys any shred of credibility that you might have thought you had.
Even Soto admitted he played poorly since joining the Padres.
234 BA and 6 home runs 16 RBIs for 81 games is not
the production of a super star player worth the Padres top 5-6 prospects.
Even pee wee league p[ayers understand that fact.
ARod and other expert MLB announcers all said the same thing.
It is common knowledge to most in MLB except for you.
Do you work for the Boros corporation that represents Soto?!
That is the only reason I can see for you defending the indefensible.
In business as in sports it is “what have you done for the team now and this year(lately”). Nobody cares what you did 3-4 years ago.
You can manipulate and cherry pick stats to support even completely erroneous conclusions.
outinleftfield
Sportsfoo, He absolutely destroys your attempt at a post with stats that show everything you said was wrong and that is ALL you have to come back with? Hilarious.
No one said Soto was not incredibly good. No one. Not even Afraud. What they said is that he was not as good as HIS best. His best is top 2-3 in baseball and he was ONLY 8th best last season. ONLY 8th best.
Let me repeat that because you seem a bit slow on the uptake. ONLY the 8th best.
8th best is a superstar SportsFoo.
He was ONLY 30th best in all of baseball during the 2 months while he was playing for the Padres. ONLY 30th best and tied with Vlad Guerrero the last two months of the season when he sucked according to you.
Comprender Amigo? Of course you don’t.
DrDan75
Soto is all of 23 years old. Most 23 year old ball players are still in the minors. Cut him a little slack.
SportsFan0000
Soto is 24 and will be 25 during the playoffs,
He made the majors as a very young player.
Maybe, he was playing “over his head” and the league caught up to him?!
Pads Fans
Maybe you are commenting over your head and we already know you don’t know what you are talking about?
In his worst season in the majors, at 23 years old, Soto had a 149 OPS+. That is 49% better than average. Let me spell that out just in case you don’t understand numbers. Forty Nine Percent better than average.
He was the 8th best batter in baseball by OPS+. Oh, you like wRC+ better? He was 10th best. 4th best among OF.
With the extreme shift going away he is going to hit better than he ever has since they used one against him 55% of the time the last 2 seasons.
SportsFan0000
A player that some have called a super star player should not be affected by shifts. If they are that skilled, then they just hit it the other way.
If they don’t have the skills set to hit the ball to all fields, then they are a vastly overrated player.
Trying to work the count for walks is a cop out and an admission that that player is not a clutch player that can carry his team into the playoffs and the World Series.
“Clutch” ” Championship” players deliver the key clutch hit
like a home run or a double that ties or wins your team the game, that wins playoffs and World Series games.
Players who are timid, like Soto, who walk too much just to pad
their stats are not the players the Padres should keep around.
The Padres gave up 5-6 top young players for a championship player
who would carry their team on his back for a World Series Championship.
Soto is not that guy at this point in time.
Top players are skilled enough to expand their hitting zones and
win for their team when it is most needed.
Soto is not that player for the Padres at this time.
Soto is a selfish player trying to pad his stats for his next contract when the Padres need a clutch, winning player who will do whatever it takes to win the Padres a Championship.
grandsalametime
I can only imagine what ticket and concession prices will be like in SD for the next few years.
websoulsurfer
About the same. Salaries have little impact on ticket prices and concessions. Supply and demand has more. How much you are willing to pay has the most to do with it.
SportsFan0000
General Rule is that ownership passes on its costs to the fans.
(that is what happens with capitalism.
We all know that fact.
MLB is making a ton of TV money.
Many teams are flush with cash.
And, teams take huge tax writeoffs if they ever get into deficit spending so they still make money on the tax end.
And, Team Ownership makes huge returns on the appreciation value of the franchise.
Last Padres owner, John Moores, purchased the team for something like 80M.
Then he sold the team for well over 500M
(a very nice return on his investments).
The team is now worth at least 1. 5 Billion dollars.
Ownership can afford to hold down concession prices if they are fan friendly.
Some teams would raise concession prices.
But, their management team would advise they not to alienate their fan bases by going overboard with concession pricing.
This one belongs to the Reds
You can bet this Padres owner sells for a profit before the bills come due. I remember that happening with other teams in the past.
SportsFan0000
The Next Padres Owner looks to at least double the 500M-600M he paid for the team.
Seamus O'Meara
Do NOT extend Soto. Way overrated.
SportsFan0000
From what I have seen of Soto in the 2nd half of last year and in the playoffs
(dramatic drops in production), if I owned the Padres and signed the checks, I would not be giving Soto 300M or 400M .
Soto would have to have a monster year in 2023 for me to even consider giving him a big, long term deal.
300M-400M+ is a huge commitment.
Worth it if he truly is a top end super star who produces every year.
Not worth if his production is a roller coaster like Josh Bell’s was last year
where you don’t know what you are getting and whether Soto is “showing up to produce and play at any given time and in the playoffs.
If he starts producing in ’23, then the kid has some major maturity issues.
The Padres are already having to babysit Tatis Jr,
Not sure they will want to baby sit Soto for 10-12 years also.
padrepapi
Soto’s brutal 149 OPS+ 2022 season that you harp on about in every Padre thread was his age 23 season, as in he was 23 the whole dang season. A lot of crazy talented ballplayers don’t even reach that level in their best years, yet that has been Soto’s floor.
How many players in the history of the game have exceeded his production by that age? Not too damn many. The guy has an amazing resume already, multiple top 5 MVP finishes when most guys have even stepped foot in the bigs by his age. Heck Aaron Judge was 24 his first season when he had 95 PA’s. So Soto will be about 2700 PA’s ahead of Judge after Soto’s age 24 season.
Pads Fans
Its amazing. Kid is top 10 batter last season and somehow he is all washed up.
He had a 130 OPS+ in the 2 months he was with the Padres and somehow that stinks. WTF?
SportsFan0000
Again, past is past.
Present is now.
The Padres gave up a huge part of their great farm system for Soto.
(5-6 of their top young prospects and young players for one guy whose production TANKED in the 2nd half last year and in the Playoffs after joining the Padres?!
The Nationals really hosed the Padres on that deal.
Players traded by the Padres will be the core of the next Nats pennant contending and championship team.
So far, Soto has done little or nothing for the SD Padres.
If he has a sensational year in 2023 and if the Padres win a World Series Championship, then the trade might be worth it in the short term
If Soto proves that he is just one above average cog in a 25 player team/machine, then no it was not worth trading their farm system for
Soto.
Best option would be to trade Soto in the 2023-2024 offseason
and recoup some great young talent for him before he walks in free agency,.
His Agent wants to set a new contract record with Soto
(that will weigh down his next team like an anchor).
It won’t be in SD, so trade him next October.
SportsFan0000
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websoulsurfer
In what world is 130 OPs+ tanking? When you are a top 30 player in the game after the trade deadline, you didn’t tank. Probably easier to mute you than try to explain baseball to you. Certainly would make my thread more pleasant and filled with mostly people that at least have a basic grasp of the sport. You obviously do not.