The Red Sox announced Thursday that they have fired chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom. The Sox also announced that general manager Brian O’Halloran has been offered a “new senior leadership position within the baseball operations department,” further signaling a major change in the organization’s structure. O’Halloran and assistant GMs Eddie Romero, Raquel Ferreira and Michael Groopman will oversee baseball operations for the time being, but the Sox added that a search for a new baseball operations leader will begin immediately.
“While parting ways is not taken lightly, today signals a new direction for our club,” principal owner John Henry said in a statement within the press release. “Our organization has significant expectations on the field and while Chaim’s efforts in revitalizing our baseball infrastructure have helped set the stage for the future, we will today begin a search for new leadership. Everyone who knows Chaim has a deep appreciation and respect for the kind of person he is. His time with us will always be marked by his professionalism, integrity, and an unwavering respect for our club and its legacy.”
Red Sox CEO Sam Kennedy said in the aftermath of Bloom’s dismissal that the Red Sox plan to conduct a “broader search” that “could take awhile” and that there are no preconceived plans to hire a more experienced candidate or another younger, first-time baseball ops leader (both links via Alex Speier of the Boston Globe). Notably, Speier adds that Kennedy took the additional step of specifically calling out that he “can rule out [former Red Sox GM] Theo Epstein as a candidate.”
Originally hired to the post in October 2019, Bloom has overseen baseball operations for the Sox for the past four seasons. While Bloom’s Red Sox enjoyed a 92-win season in 2021 and took the Astros to six games in the ALCS that year, it’s been a largely disappointing four years for the Sox otherwise. Boston followed up that ALCS showing with a 78-84 record the following season and is currently at 73-72 with no viable path to a postseason berth.
Hired away from the division-rival Rays, where he’d paired with since-promoted president Erik Neander to oversee the baseball operations department, Bloom was long billed as a future general manager/president of baseball ops himself. His arrival in Boston followed the similarly timed firing of current Phillies president of baseball ops Dave Dombrowski, who’d brought a World Series title to Boston in 2018 but endured a difficult 2019 season that ultimately cost him his job.
The hiring of Bloom, a young executive from a Rays organization widely viewed as one of the game’s model organizations, represented a departure from the experienced Dombrowski, who’s now led baseball ops for four different organizations and got his start in baseball ops way back in 1978. The Rays are admired throughout the industry for their nearly unrivaled player development expertise and the manner in which they’re able to maintain an elite farm system and competitive club while simultaneously operating under some of the sport’s most stringent payroll limitations from ownership.
The Red Sox have indeed built up their farm system under Bloom, but it’s come at the expense of results at the MLB level. Boston’s free-agent additions under Bloom have been a mixed bag, at best. The 2023 additions of Kenley Jansen, Justin Turner, Chris Martin and Adam Duvall have all been strong moves, as was last year’s low-cost pickup of Michael Wacha. However, the six-year deal for Trevor Story hasn’t panned out at all as hoped thus far. And while Masataka Yoshida has hit better than many anticipated when he signed a five-year, $90MM contract, he’s cooled after a strong start and turned in shaky defensive ratings that have muted his overall value. Meanwhile, free-agent deals for James Paxton, Corey Kluber, Martin Perez and Garrett Richards over the years haven’t helped the rotation as hoped.
Of course, the successful signings in and of themselves are a two-sided coin as well. The decision to buy low on Wacha proved savvy, but the Sox balked at bringing him back on a multi-year deal this winter and instead signed Kluber to a one-year pact that didn’t yield the intended results (7.04 ERA in 55 innings). The Sox also let Nathan Eovaldi depart rather than make him a multi-year offer, and while they received a compensatory pick after he signed in Texas, Eovaldi has been one of the American League’s best pitchers this season and would’ve found himself in the Cy Young conversation were it not for a recent six-week stay on the injured list.
Even that draft pick compensation the Sox received for the departures of Eovaldi and Xander Bogaerts were reduced due to some questionable front office dealings. The 2022 Red Sox tried to thread the needle between shedding salary and remaining competitive at that year’s trade deadline. While Boston traded Christian Vazquez and shed Jake Diekman’s salary, they also held onto Eovaldi, Wacha, J.D. Martinez and Rich Hill — all impending free agents — and acquired Tommy Pham. The result was a payroll that landed just a few million dollars north of the luxury tax threshold, thereby diminishing the comp picks for Bogaerts and Eovaldi. Teams that don’t pay the luxury tax receive comp picks after Competitive Balance Round B (typically around the 75th selection in the draft, give or take a few places). As a tax payor, the Sox instead received selections between the fourth and fifth round of the draft for that pair of veterans.
More recent dealings aside, Bloom will likely always be remembered — fairly or not — as the Red Sox’ baseball ops leader who oversaw the trade of Mookie Betts to Los Angeles. The trade of Betts was undoubtedly driven to some (likely significant) extent by ownership, and at the time of the swap Betts had steadfastly pledged to test the free-agent market. That didn’t prove to be the case, as Betts instead signed a 12-year, $365MM contract that stands as the largest amount of new money ever promised to a player at the time of his signing. (Mike Trout already had $66.5MM remaining on his contract when he signed a $360MM extension with the Angels.)
It’s arguable that Bloom deserves the benefit of the doubt, as any extension offers to Betts were always going to be ownership’s final call, and he had no impact or way of controlling whether Betts would ultimately put pen to paper with the Dodgers following a trade. Still, as the head of baseball operations, it’s incumbent to acquire the best return possible, and to this point the package the Sox received for a player who remains in perennial contention for MVP voting has simply hasn’t aligned with Betts’ value.
Alex Verdugo has stepped into the outfield in Betts’ place and developed into a solid regular. More than three years after the trade, Connor Wong has had a decent season as Boston’s primary catcher. Infield prospect Jeter Downs has since been designated for assignment and is no longer in the organization. Perhaps Wong can yet take his game to another level, but it’s been an underwhelming return for a player of Betts’ caliber — even if he had just one year of club control remaining at the time.
To Bloom’s credit, the Red Sox have that excellent 2021 season under his watch, and the farm system is currently in excellent shape. Baseball America graded it as the fifth-best system in baseball as of last month, although MLB.com was more bearish, pegging the Sox 16th. Prospects like Marcelo Mayer, Roman Anthony, Kyle Teel and Ceddanne Rafaela (who debuted this month) all rank within the top 100 prospects in the game. While 24-year-old Brayan Bello, like Rafaela, was signed by the prior regime, his development into a quality big league starter has been largely overseen by Bloom’s staff. And while Betts, Bogaerts and other great players have walked out the door during Bloom’s tenure, he was also the baseball operations lead when the Sox inked Rafael Devers to a historic $313.5MM extension (although just as ownership surely played a substantial role in the Betts trade, that’s surely true of the Devers deal as well).
It’s worth noting that the Red Sox have seemingly been reluctant to push payroll to the same heights as in years past; Bloom’s Sox topped out at $206MM in Opening Day payroll (2022) and were closer to $180MM in 2021 and 2023. Conversely, the Sox were at $233MM and $236MM during the final two years of Dombrowski’s tenure. Relative to the rest of the league, Boston has been in the top half of spenders since Bloom’s hiring but never placing inside the top five — where they resided each season from 2004 to 2019.
Bloom’s experience in making value-oriented moves on the margins of the roster in Tampa Bay perhaps appealed to Sox ownership as they sought to curtail some of their previously aggressive spending levels, but it always felt odd to see a team with Boston’s financial might making head-scratching moves like extending Rob Refsnyder in May or swapping out Hunter Renfroe for Jackie Bradley Jr. in order to acquire some mid-range prospects from the Brewers.
As with any president or general manager, Bloom’s tenure will ultimately consist of notable wins and painful whiffs. In this instance, Sox ownership felt that the former had outweighed the latter by too great a margin, and they’ll now embark on a search for their fourth baseball operations leader since Theo Epstein’s departure prior to the 2012 season. Only the Angels have gone through that same number of GM changes in that same window.
Samhaggertyplayoffhero
Amazing
MLB Top 100 Commenter
When you subtract the “L” after the losses, Bloom becomes Boom
Dumpster Divin Theo
When you subtract the M after the dismal pitching, it reads Bloo!
deweybelongsinthehall
Stupid. Ownership forced his hand with payroll. It takes time to develop a farm. He went from near worst to fifth best and had the team positioned to trade from depth for starting pitching and to improve team defense.
Mi Casas es tu Casas
When the hell did Sawx fans become content with perennial last place teams? You think it’s not possible to make the postseason while improving the farm system at the same time? Nutso.
'Tang It
Haha you actually think he was going to trade prospects for pitching?
all in the suit that you wear
Dewey: Agreed. It seems like Bloom did not have enough time to build a contender through the farm system as he seemed to be doing. I like that approach better than relying on expensive, older free agents.
I.M. Insane
Come on, dewey. You saying that, after dishing out all those mega-contracts for decades, John Henry just got a case of the cheaps? No, that was Bloom trying to turn the organization into a rinky-dink outfit so he could pocket some extra bread. I have no idea why they hired this failure to begin with. He never achieved a championship. Guy’s a failure.
Jurassic Carl
That’s why your not a GM.
deweybelongsinthehall
Yes. You build for depth due to injuries but the roster rules prevent you from hoarding. Thus, you either make trades, release good prospects or expose them to the Rule 5 draft.
deweybelongsinthehall
If you’re not insane, you might be nuts. Do you really think Bloom wanted to trade Betts? He was hired to facilitate the trade knowing a deal was not going to happen.
all in the suit that you wear
Why are the Orioles in first place and set up for years? Because they built through the farm system. Why are the Yankees in last place and will need to ride out bad contracts for years? Because they built through free agency.
LouWhitakerHOF
Didn’t the Orioles tank for a lot of top draft picks though? Luckily they hit on them and didn’t have a lot of injuries. The Yankees and Red Sox won’t ever intentionally tank like the Orioles.
C Yards Jeff
@LouW,
Os success is not from high draft picks alone. FO has used a balanced approach to success. Trades, rule 5, FA signings, waiver wires, etc.
But the big one was an egoless Elias believing in personnel brought on by the Duquette regime. IE. Mullins, Hays, Santander, Bautista, Rodriguez, Mountcastle … and DL Hall is getting close.
DBH1969
@RemoveManager
Absolutely correct about building a farm system why building playoff teams at the same time!!!
Duquesne did it. Theo did it. Even DD did it to an extent.
Blooms job was to bring balance. Build a play off team without breaking the bank. His going over the threshold last year by trading for JBJ had to have been his beginning of the end. Then a horrible off season followed by a what the eff trade dead line this year did him in.
Sox need a PBO who can use the power of a big market team to our bid good players by a little while avoiding monster contracts for super stars. It can be done!!!
DBH1969
@Suit.. he did have time, he just never pulled the trade trigger at the deadlines. How many more prospects would we have if he had made trades instead of letting players walk for nothing in free agency?
Fever Pitch Guy
Tang – Bloom had many weaknesses, identifying and maximizing pitching talent was one of his biggest ones. He was clueless, I think none of the top 20 Sox pitching prospects are pitchers. Good riddance to the worst Boston front office guy in my lifetime … and I’m old! Lol!
Fever Pitch Guy
Suit – Four years is more than enough time, especially with the resources he had.
Another benefit of Bloom getting shitcanned is it will now help heal Red Sox Nation which had become divided because of Bloom. Now the Bloom suckups will hopefully rejoin Sox Nation and support this much needed change. I for one will welcome them back to the Red Sox family.
Corradoj30
Your profile name is certainly fitting. Henry fired Dombrowski and hired Bloom for that exact reason – they went cheap. He got exactly what he was looking for. Bloom is a great GM, but not the right fir for Boston. The fault is Henry’s for hiring Bloom in the first place. He wanted a Rays payroll with Dodgers results. Can’t have it both ways.
Fever Pitch Guy
Insane – You are anything but, great post!!
Fever Pitch Guy
Dewey – Bloom stated he traded Mookie to free up payroll for signing other homegrown players. He LIED!!! Henry gave him a budget, but he did NOT tell Bloom how to allocate the total amount budgeted.
Henry did NOT tell Bloom to trade Mookie.
all in the suit that you wear
DBH: I don’t know the inside info, but I think we can see now that Bloom did not have a sell off this past trade deadline because he had to win or lose his job. I think Bloom couldn’t have a sell off because that would be unacceptable in Boston. I think Bloom refused to trade prospects because he wanted to build a contender from the farm system. If he kept trading prospects at the deadline, that would never happen. So, Bloom basically did nothing at trade deadlines.
deweybelongsinthehall
Fever, not sure how old you are but do you remember Buddy Laroux (ignore spelling). Ex-traiber tried to steal the team from Mrs. Yawkey. Also Lou Gorman wasn’t good either
deweybelongsinthehall
Fever, what did you expect him to say then? Let’s see who they bring in next now that they will spend and have prospects.
FatChance65
Dewey—Do you remember when Haywood Sullivan and Buddy LeRoux were battling for control of the team? Now THAT was bad!
revolver
The cubs kinda just did it. Maybe.
revolver
The orioles are set for years because they drafted high for years. Care to guess why they drafted high for years?
GASoxFan
I think the problem was this:
Nobody expected to see how blooms draft picks would bloom or bust (pun intended) for years to come. That’s how it always is with GMs.
BUT.
Let’s dissect things a bit. Bloom inherited some payroll. True. But so did DD or are you forgetting money owed to the likes of Panda and Hanley etc. Also consider the percentage of CBT threshold that payroll represented.
Bloom still spent and SPENT BIG. He wasn’t running out 80m or 100m payrolls.
Next, look at the trade deadline moves, the players with control that Bloom would ride the contracts out on and get nothing for. Remember Bloom barely blowing the CBT last year and dropping two, yes, TWO, comp picks effectively effectively almost two rounds worth of selections in a deep draft. That hurts too.
He spent too much money on churn and burn moves lookingnfor the bargains. He also really blew the deal with handling Bogey. He never ought to have hit FA, and, never would’ve been bid up to the SD contract. $100-120m could’ve gotten you 4-5 years, instead of the disaster at SS this year.
We could keep going, but, Henry didn’t want a 5 year rebuild of a cellar dweller tanking in last place while running $200m+ payrolls. He was getting sub $200m perennial contenders.
It’s the same story we’ve rehashed a thousand times over the last couple seasons.
Now, let’s look to the future and hope for better. BTW: The post draft farm rankings per mlb.com – redsox at 16th place.
Claydagoat
What are the reasons you aren’t a GM?
all in the suit that you wear
Fever: I’m not sure 4 years is enough to hire your own people, implement new ways of doing things and then see results. Maybe. I think Bloom was acting like a guy from the Rays which he is. Is 4 years enough to get an organization moving in a different direction? Looks like Henry couldn’t take the heat from whining fans and media. Let’s see if this is a good move. It is possible they get someone better than Bloom.
stymeedone
Why were the Orioles cellar dwellers for years before the recent spurt? Because they built thru the farm system, and had to split their revenue with the Nationals, limiting the payroll.
stymeedone
@GASox
I’m pretty sure you could take Bogey off the Padres hands very affordably. He’s still a weak SS, and his bat slumped.
all in the suit that you wear
No need to guess. The Orioles are set for years because they tanked. The Cubs won a World Series after tanking. Tanking works. Nothing wrong with a few down years to rebuild the farm. The Red Sox could have tanked and rebuilt the farm system quicker, but no, the whining can base and media won’t stand for that.
DBH1969
@suit, agree on the prospects. I was referring to players who are not controlled beyond this year.
Bostonsports85
Letting Betts go for next too nothing , letting Xander go for Nothing not picking up a bunch of prospects for players at the trade deadline when they were in last place and over the luxury tax , and many more things is the reason he’s not here the trade deadline this year deff sealed his fate!!! And I’m glad ty for the better farm system but no ty for the last place finishes and trash starting rotation and bullpen
Ejemp2006
The Red Sox and Yankees are finally entering the winter of their cycle. They will both suck for about twelve years. Devers will be the Wade Boggs type for the Sox. Judge will be the Mattingly. They’ll be the only names we’ll remember in thirty years when we talk about what happened.
all in the suit that you wear
Fever: Where are you getting this detailed Henry/Bloom/Mookie info from?
all in the suit that you wear
DBH: I was saying I don’t think Bloom could dump players at the deadline as that would be a sell off which would be as unacceptable as finishing in last place.
Trollfree
Dewey – Bloom sucked.
His farm system is far from HIS farm system since all he did was subtract from it. The part of the farm system he ACTUALLY impacted got worse not better because the best players (DD’s guys) graduated. The fact that he did have the privilege of doing the annual draft was his only positive and that came with his office not his success. Take away the draft picks given to the BOSTON RED SOX annually not earned by Bloom and his NET impact on the farm system was negative!!!.
Once a Bloom apologist always a Bloom apologist.
Put the scumbag in your rear view mirror and look forward to Boston’s greatly improved future due to his DEPARTURE!!!!.
Trollfree
All – Another Bloom apologist. He could have been there for 25 years and the team would still be .500. He was the worst GM in Boston’s prestigious history. Stop trying to rewrite the past and look forward to an instantly improved future.
Shawn W.
It was intentionally “tanking”. It was just low talent and thus less wins.
websoulsurfer
You no longer are guaranteed the #1 pick for being the worst team. Now there is a lottery. Tanking is no longer as good of a strategy.
Big market teams buy FA so they can build their farm system slowly to provide that 1 in 5 top 100 prospect that becomes a MLB average player and 1 in 20 that becomes a star player.
Fever Pitch Guy
Dewey – Yep I’m old enough to remember Buddy. He was the Celtics trainer too, and owned Suffolk Downs. I don’t include him because he was an owner, but yeah he was bad.
CleaverGreene
Not this year mate. Pitchers are like gold and way overpriced in trade.
B dog 351
Troll: You just can’t drill threw the wood with some of these guys . Chaim was in over his head plain and simple.
CleaverGreene
Mookie did not want to stay in Boston. Everyone seems to know that but Red Sox fans.
all in the suit that you wear
KD: Bloom barely traded anyone from the farm system. So, saying he subtracted from it is way off. You also want to disregard his draft picks which is the main input to a farm system.
Rallyshirt
When you subtract the B from Chris Getz, you get Jerry LOOMing over at Chaim
fre5hwind
When you subtract the L it reads Boo!
all in the suit that you wear
Web: You are correct that having the worst record no longer guarantees you the top pick in the draft, but you will probably get a top 5 pick because the worse your record is, the the more balls you get in the lottery. So, I think tanking still pays, just not quite as much as it used to. The Pirates pulled out the top pick last year.
Fever Pitch Guy
Suit – I posted the link here in the past, the Bloom quote was from shortly after the trade. Just so you are clear, Henry obviously wouldn’t have allowed the trade if he didn’t want him traded. But if Bloom had come up with an alternate plan that would allow Mookie to be re-signed, Henry would have been good with it. I’m in no way absolving Henry of any blame, he should have insisted on keeping Mookie just like he insisted on bringing back Cora.
Fever Pitch Guy
Dumpster – I like how they bumped this article to the top again …. makes it seem like Bloom was fired again, which is great! Haha!
Fever Pitch Guy
dewey – You are 100% correct. Some people here seem to think it’s all about hoarding so that the farm system is the strongest in baseball, but that defeats the entire purpose of having a farm system.
And Cora bashed Bloom yesterday in a Boston Globe article by Hayden Bird. He made it very clear he wasn’t happy with the acquisitions by Bloom or Bloom’s reluctance to win now. His exact words: “Hopefully we can improve the roster with some acquisitions and go for it next year”.
@bogie2X
deweybelongsinthehall
Fans are so crazy if they think Bloom made the Betts trade and Devers extension without Henry’s approval.
He made deals with Story and Yoshi, but he couldn’t do mega deals like this (Betts, Devers) on his own.
@bogie2X
LouWhitakerHOF
You can’t tank with a payroll like the Red Sox – it’s crazy.
@bogie2X
DBH1969
I think that Bloom’s problem was that when he received such carte blanche this offseason, he didn’t know how to properly allocate finances.
Perhaps he was limited in his actions regarding SP on long-term deals (5+ Y’s).
But he had the ability to sign 2 #3 SP for 2-3 years.
JoeBrady
John Henry just got a case of the cheaps?
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Yes. The numbers are the numbers. Our spending is way down since 2019, and other big market teams payrolls are way up.
@bogie2X
all in the suit that you wear
Devil!
But we got Valdez and Abreu in 2 months of Vazquez. This is a very good deal, even if it’s just Abreu.
JoeBrady
The fault is Henry’s for hiring Bloom in the first place.
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I agree. If the mantra was to “win today”, it is entirely possible a guy like DD could do a better job. If the mantra was “sustainability”, then that requires more time.
That’s not to say that Bloom didn’t make mistakes, but if you want a GM that will help build the farm, that’s Bloom. But you can’t jump off the horse before the end of the race.
JoeBrady
Incorrect. Their 2+ bWAR players:
Henderson 2nd round
Bradish Trade
Rutchsman Overall #1
Santader Rule 5 claim
Bautista Waiver claim
Mullins 13th round
Cano Trade
So only one of their top contributors was a result of them losing.
JoeBrady
Bloom inherited some payroll.
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He inherited the highest payroll in baseball. Calling it “some” is inaccurate.
Dorothy_Mantooth
Not a Bloom defender but he didn’t let Mookie go for nothing. Remember that LA had to take David Price & 50% of his remaining money in that deal as well. That allowed Boston to get below the CBT cap but unfortunately lessened the prospect return.
If Bloom had accepted the first deal (Verdugo & Graterol) the deal might look a little better, but replacing Graterol with Wong & Downs made the return worse. At least Wong proved to be a capable catcher this season with some athleticism. I agree that the return was not great but they did get Major League players out of it and shed an additional $16M per year with the Price deal.
Fever Pitch Guy
dewey – Of course Bloom didn’t want to trade Mookie, but he wasn’t intelligent enough to figure out an alternative way of keeping him. As Dave O’Brien said on air, the trade will forever be indefensible and will forever be a stain on the franchise.
Remember, Mookie was arb eligible for the 2020 season. Had they given him an extension that began in 2021, they could have still reset their LT payroll in 2020 with or without Covid.
And then with Mookie’s incredible versatility, they could have traded Xander and put Mookie at 2B. Or they could have traded Devers and gotten a boatload of talent for him. The fanbase would have been more accepting of trading one of Devers or Xander, if Mookie was extended.
Fever Pitch Guy
Suit – Really, really surprised you brought up the Yankees.
This is the first year they’ve missed the playoffs since 2016, and only the 5th time since 1995.
The Yankees haven’t had a losing record since 1992.
The Yankees haven’t finished in last place since 1990.
Criticizing the Yankees for their free agent spending is really, really silly.
Fever Pitch Guy
DBH – You are 100% correct, but yesterday there was one point that was hammered home over and over again by every member of the Red Sox organization that made public statements …. the primary objective was always to make the postseason – not stockpile prospects.
No owner of a major market team would ever tell their top operations guy “It’s okay if we finish last 3 out of 4 years as long as the farm system improves”.
Fever Pitch Guy
Corr – Bloom was neither great nor a GM, and his spending is proof that Henry wasn’t looking for a Rays payroll. He just wanted to get the payroll under control and not lead MLB in payroll, preferably without exceeding the LT.
luckyh
It’s laughable to use them as an example for anything. They took far too long, decades, to get where they are. Try again.
Fever Pitch Guy
suit – I have no idea what part of the country you’re from, but I can say with certainty that New England Red Sox fans are not mass-ochists.
When they are handed last place finishes, they are not gonna bend over and say “Thank you Bloom, may I have another”.
One of the reasons Boston teams have had an incredible amount of success over the years is because their fans don’t accept losing. New York fans are the same way.
And BTW – how many years do you think is necessary to tank? They absolutely did tank in 2020. That’s how they got Mayer, ain’t it?
And you say tanking works? I think fans of teams like the Pirates and Rockies (both tanking since 2019) and Royals (tanking since 2018) would beg to differ. Prospects fail far more often than not.
Fever Pitch Guy
Ej – Red Sox had lots of stars when Boggs was there …. ever heard of Roger Clemens?
Both Red Sox and Yankees can spend their way back to success, as long as they spend wisely. Eating contracts has never been an issue for them, I expect that to happen with Story once Yorke and/or Mayer arrive.
Fever Pitch Guy
suit – If that were true, then Bloom should have acquired help. Especially pitching.
Fever Pitch Guy
web – Great point, the new anti-tanking rules are EXACTLY what was needed in MLB.
DBH1969
@Bogie. Agreed. Bloom, I think, would make a good small to mid market PBO. He is just out of his depth at the big market level. He’s not a bad guy, just had a very bad case of Deer-in-the-Headlights syndrome.
DBH1969
@bogie again. That deal was very good. Bloom did okay to well with trades (the Renfroe trade aside).. He just sucked with free agents.
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Like a bazillion comments….who would have guessed that….
all in the suit that you wear
Fever: If you would have said that the first time, I wouldn’t have asked for more info. So, we agree the organization is responsible for trading Mookie, not just Bloom.
Fever Pitch Guy
Bogie – The Vazquez trade was possibly Bloom’s best move. I supported it since the beginning.
unpaidobserver
A’s picked sixth…
kodiak920
I don’t think the Nationals can pick higher than ten, because they don’t receive revenue sharing and picked 2nd this year. These new draft rules are convoluted. Tanking, works, like you said, it’s just not as easy as it once was.
Fever Pitch Guy
Suit – Absolutely. It’s common for ownership to get involved with superstar players. Henry shares the blame on Mookie.
all in the suit that you wear
The Orioles have the best farm system in baseball. They are are set up to compete for years to come. This is largely the result of drafting near the top of every round of every draft for many years…and you get that draft position from losing.
all in the suit that you wear
Fever: You think the Rodon, LeMahieu, Rizzo and Hicks deals are good? They are are horrible deals. Stanton is a horrible deal they traded for.I think the Judge deal will be turn bad too.
all in the suit that you wear
Fever: You think Cashman is good GM? You think the Yankees are going in a good direction? I think you are smarter than that. Rodon and Rizzo are two terrible deals just this past year.
all in the suit that you wear
Fever: The big market Cubs just tanked their way to a World Series championship in 2016. I am not a fan of extended tanks, but a few down years to build up the farm system is OK with me.
all in the suit that you wear
Fever: Tanking should get you a good window of contention if you can draft well. I am not a huge fan of tanking, but a few down years to restock the farm is OK with me. I think the Pirates will be good soon. The Rockies are horribly run and the Royals might be too. I think long, expensive deals for top free agent deals fail more often than not. So, I would rather build from the farm system because it is a lot less damaging when prospects fail which they do more often than not.
all in the suit that you wear
Fever: Not sure what you are replying to.
Fever Pitch Guy
Joseph – What on Earth are you talking about?
Bloom never had a position higher than VP of Baseball Ops before coming to the Red Sox. He had zero experience running Baseball Ops before coming to the Red Sox.
Not only did he replace a guy who had a ton of experience rebuilding farm systems, the guy had a proven track record of doing a HOF caliber job rebuilding farm systems for the Tigers, Marlins and Expos.
Joe you really need to read up on Dombrowski’s background, because clearly you don’t realize his accomplishments.
Fever Pitch Guy
Dotty – Wouldn’t it have made more sense to keep Mookie and package Price with Xander or Devers? Of the three players, Mookie was the far better defender and somebody who could play multiple positions.
JoeBrady
sn33
Besides Adley can you name an Orioles player
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Some of the posters are the most casual of fans. The majority of their success is that they drafted and traded well.
JoeBrady
If Bloom had accepted the first deal (Verdugo & Graterol) the deal might look a little better
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It would not have been better. This was said at the time, but if Graterol was a starter, he’d have been the preferred choice. But as a primarily 7th/8th inning RP, he will not have the value of a roughly league-average catcher.
websoulsurfer
7 teams in the lottery I think, so you are guaranteed a top 7 pick.
Right now, the Mets are outside that lottery.
Fever Pitch Guy
Suit – This is one rare year of the Yankees not making the postseason, I was talking about in terms of longterm approach to contending.
To answer your question, DJL was a bad extension based on a really good 50-game joke of a season. Hicks was another bad deal,
Rodon? Definitely an overpay and high risk coming off just one healthy season.
Rizzo you can’t fault Cashman on, who would have predicted he’d suffer a concussion that would ruin his season?
And I’ll be totally honest in saying I thought Stanton was a great deal at the time. He was coming off a historic MVP season and didn’t show any signs of fading, the Yanks gave up virtually nothing for him, and the salary they are paying is quite reasonable for the guy’s track record.
As for Cashman, he’s had some good years … I mean look at how little he gave up combined to acquire guys like Urshela, DJL, Carpenter, Cortes, Voit etc …all of those guys produced big time for at least a while. Acquiring all of them were brilliant moves, and Cashman is superb at putting together bullpens. But he has definitely had a rough time of late. You know my thoughts on Judge, I was screaming to give him the extension before last season and we all know how that worked out.
Bottom line, I wouldn’t want Cashman to take over the Sox.
all in the suit that you wear
Web: I found this article about how the draft lottery works:
mlb.com/news/how-the-mlb-draft-lottery-works
All the teams that did not make the playoffs get balls in the lottery. The worse your record, the more balls you get. They draw numbers (balls) for the top six picks and the rest are put in order by record. So, any team that misses the playoffs could end up with the top pick.
KingKen
No they couldn’t have reset the LT in 2020 if they kept Betts. His arb deal that year was for $27M. That alone, even ignoring the added $15M from Price, would have put them over. The only way they got under the LT in 2020 was because of the trade.
@bogie2X
Fever Pitch Guy –
And then with Mookie’s incredible versatility, they could have traded Xander and put Mookie at 2B.
______________________________________________________________
You are missing the point that Bloom couldn’t trade Bogey since he had a complete trade ban.
websoulsurfer
Suit, thanks for the article. Appreciate it.
Fever Pitch Guy
Manny – Every September 14th going forward will forever be known as Septeenth as it will commemorate the anniversary of Red Sox Nation getting emancipated from the worst Red Sox executive in franchise history. It will be a New England holiday like Patriots Day.
User 781115931
Bloombros… did we just lose???
Trollfree
Fletcher – YEP. It was a sweep just like so many series this year!!! A clean sweep by a street sweeper who took the trash out of town.
davemlaw
This shows the difference between East Coast and West Coast Baseball.
Being a Giant fan, I’ve seen the ups and downs under Farhan Zaidi. If he were running the Sox he would’ve been fired too; but in SF, they’re ready to give him an extension.
At the end of the day, fans shouldn’t confuse effort with results. It’s about the wins and the hardware. Mic drop
deweybelongsinthehall
Both teams have the hardware. I thought he’d get to at least see the fruit of his drafting (next year).
'Tang It
He didn’t draft any of the guys that are helping now. He traded for abreu and Valdez, which was a good move, but that’s it.
gravel
When one types “mic drop” on a web page does that mean they have smashed their phone or keyboard?
Trollfree
Dave mic drop – It’s about performance some times but not always. Some times it simply can’t be explained. For instance –
GM in four years is 104 games over .500 with three unprecedented division championships and a world series ring and he gets fired.
GM discards all the two way all-stars from a world championship team in 4 years and provides a .500 record with nothing to show for his time except early draft picks and he lasts as long as the HOF GM who got fired.
Some things you simply can’t explain.
Sometime you can’t believe actions by people. I for one think the Bloom Apologists are clueless baseball fans who should buy some swamp land in Florida from me. You can’t be more gullible to think that 4 years was not long enough when a guy came into town in 2016 and took a team that had Papi for one last year and no pitching and they beat the Yankees and all other comers in the AL East to win the division 3 years in a row and it took less than a year to make that happen. NOT ENOUGH TIME….hahahaha what a joke..
You are either stupid or in love with Bloom to even suggest he did a good job. He sucked worse than any GM in the history of the Red Sox.
Bloom will live in infamy when historians write about the 4 wasted years he spent in Boston.
roob
Can’t believe they’re gonna conduct a huge long search for the best candidate when they could have just hired Chris Getz away from the White Sox last month.
all in the suit that you wear
Has the Stearns hiring been announced by the Mets or Stearns? Maybe Henry is making a run at Stearns.
rottenboyfriend
When the results aren’t there someone has to go and Henry wasn’t gonna fire himself…. Welcome to the Red Sox Mr. Williams! Is Rick coming with you?
Rking
Chaim Bloom, always trying to be the smartest guy in the room. Attempting to think outside the box, instead of making the obvious decisions for the Sox. In a tenure full of regrets, he will always be known as the guy who traded Mookie Betts.
DBH1969
YES!!!!!!!!!!
DBH1969
Wait… NOOOOO!
Darn it. FEverPitchGuy has September in the pool. I chose day 1 of off-season.
Meh… still…
YYYEEEESSSSSSSSSSS!!!
LordD99
Doesn’t Henry like to do these firings before season end to get ahead of hiring?
DBH1969
Ya LD, he does. I also bet against Dimon a few months back. Having a bad year in the gambling department lol.
SonnySteele
LordDgg: Henry probably saw what the Mets did in hiring David Stearns and said, “I better get my ass in gear before all the good ones are gone!”
Dogbone
@LD99. It could be that once the Red Sox found out that Kenny Williams was available, they decided to speed up the process. Go get Kenny before someone beats you to the punch.
Atlanta Jack
I said same thing 15 minutes ago.
This one belongs to the Reds
Kenny would have to change his Sox.
IronBallsMcGinty
Not saying that Boston should hire Rick Hahn but I’d be curious to see if he’d do a better job being away from Kenny and Jerry.
Fever Pitch Guy
DBH – No worries, I’m gonna share this victory with all my fellow Sox fans who have been saying for YEARS that Bloom has been an absolute failure that needed to go.
You, KD. GASox, Dog, Dotty, Dewey, Milt, Al and the many others who have known all along today was inevitable… this victory is for you!
CONGRATS Red Sox Nation!!!
One down, one to go.
DBH1969
@ FPG, I still say lasts another year
GASoxFan
Fever – remember how I said Henry wouldn’t get any of my money while Bloom was in charge?
Would you believe that last night at 9pm we loaded up my 496ci big block yukon xl and left coastal GA for Massachusetts, plans included hitting the Big E, visiting Narragansett Bay, trying to see a pair of specialists at UMass Worcester and Dana Farber…
I got to the hotel, checked in, went to dinner, sat down in the room and… saw this GEM!
So. Maybe I ought to take the wife to Fenway while we’re here to celebrate a Chaim-free house!
DBH1969
Awwww. The Big E. Haven’t done that in a decade! Dude, I am sooooo jealous!
Fever Pitch Guy
DBH – I really think & hope Kennedy was bluffing when he said they “expect” Cora back.
If they hire a seasoned veteran to lead baseball ops, he HAS to want his own manager … right?
Hopefully there’s a secret agreement for Cora to resign.
Fever Pitch Guy
GASox – That’s awesome! And I love the Big E, such a great place.
Waiting in line for 30 minutes to get the Maine Baked Potato? So worth it!
I’ve seen some big name performers there, Billy Idol and David Hasselhoff and the Dallas Cowboys Chearleaders and perhaps my favorite was Crystal Bernard. I was in the front row and she eyed me throughout the show.
Yeah you can get really cheap tickets to Fenway now, why not go Green Monster? Do it!!
GASoxFan
Fever – tonight hitting floor seats for John fogerty. Cheap, fun, done.
Going to hit BTO the same way a few days from now too.
Last year got to see Skynard at one of the last shows before they stopped touring after the unfortunate passing
DBH1969
@FPG… 2 things that may lead to him returning… 1- Bloom did not hire him. He was forced on him by FSG. Bloom is canned, they safe face by giving Cora another go-around hoping he does better. 2 – Cora has a, “2023 was Blooms fault, not mine” chit.
Dorothy_Mantooth
Wow! I didn’t think John Henry had the balls to do this. It was time…
Boston2AZ
Linda lets him borrow them a couple of times a month. This must have been one of his visitation days.
DBH1969
Rofl! Reply of the day so far!
Visitation. Hahahah!
kma
He fired cherington and Dombrowski and they won World Series. Why not Bloom?
all in the suit that you wear
I liked the idea of hiring a guy from the Rays and doubling his budget, but I think it takes more than 4 years to implement such a change. Hopefully, John Henry has someone good in mind for Bloom’s replacement.
Fever Pitch Guy
Suit – Bloom was at best the 3rd most talented Rays front office guy behind Friedman and Neander. It’s silly to give Bloom credit for Tampa’s success.
all in the suit that you wear
Fever: I don’t know how you could measure that or know the inner workings of the Rays. Bloom should have had a very good idea of what made the Rays successful in my opinion.
GASoxFan
Suit, curious on your take on this, and I mean it sincerely:
Why couldn’t Bloom work on the farm via draft, and trading expiring deals (the latter of which he largely didn’t do), while simultaneously spending on known FAs instead of the shotgun approach of bargain hunting that led to so many DFAs and wasted payroll each year?
I mean, didn’t the guy have quite a few high profile self-inflicted mistakes there really was no excuse for?
all in the suit that you wear
GA: Hope you are well. I think Bloom improved the farm system through the draft. I think he just had a great draft. I can only guess what Bloom was thinking, but I think he was basically acting like a guy from the Rays. So, I think he was building through the farm system and avoiding bad free agent deals (keeping financial flexibility so good prospects could eventually be retained). So, I think he was sticking to short-term deals which cost more. I don’t think Bloom could have any sell offs at the trade deadline. The whiny fan base and media would have a hissy fit. I also think Bloom may have built some flaws into teams so they would eventually collapse and they get a better draft pick and more international money. I always said if we could see the flaws, he could see them too, but I could be wrong. I think you said something recently about stealth tanking. I liked Bloom for the most part. I didn’t like the Story signing. I was was fine with some down years to build up the farm. I don’t think you can be in win-now mode every year. I think you need to rebuild sometimes.
B dog 351
Suit . How many championships have the Rays one ? Bloom was in over his head and
all in the suit that you wear
Bdog: How many championships have the Yankees and Dodgers won in the last decade? The answer is none unless you count the short season championship by the Dodgers in 2020 which I don’t. I look at the AL East standings and I see the Orioles and Rays at the top who build their teams mainly through the farm system. I think that is the best approach. Bad free agent signings can tie up payroll and roster spots for years. Bloom was building through the farm system and avoiding bad free agent signings. His prospects were just starting to come up to the Red Sox and he is fired.
ztrekker
Blooms draftees have not come up yet. The good ones are still in AA. Casas, Duran, Rafaela are all Doms.
Fever Pitch Guy
suit – I agree about Henry having someone good in mind, unfortunately he hasn’t reached out to me yet.
Fever Pitch Guy
suit – It’s well documented, Bloom was the #3 guy in title and accomplishment.
Why do you think the Rays kept Neander instead of Bloom?
I’m guessing/hoping you at least agree that Friedman was the best of the three and the most influential while in Tampa.
all in the suit that you wear
Fever: I don’t know much about what went on in Tampa, but Bloom should have had a good idea of how and why they are successful in my opinion. They were working together, right?
GASoxFan
Yes sir Suit, best as can be. Not as much reveling in Blooms bad fortune as I am feeling a lot more hopeful for the future of the team. Its a shot of optimism at a time I could really use it for unrelated reasons, so, I’ll take that.
B dog 351
Suit: what part of question did I mention the Yankees or Dodgers? You even go further to mention the Orioles . I am pulling for Baltimore Again when was the last time they were good? Let the post season play out and then you can tell everyone who to modo a team after .
B dog 351
Suit : Not sure if you remember a team called the Montreal Expos? ( lol)They had some of the best young homegrown talent in baseball for years. Unfortunately they never had money to keep any of them or money to add pieces to push them over the top. They never won anything either. So my suggestion to you is go pop on your DVD and watch your favorite flick (money ball ,) and wish Chaim was back ,
all in the suit that you wear
Bdog: I don’t think we are communicating well here. I think very highly of what the Orioles have built.
I.M. Insane
Now spit-can Cora and start cleaning house. Get rid of Llovera, Kluber, Sale, Reese to begin with. Go sign or trade for two solid starting pitchers and someone to replace Turner and hire a manager who knows what a batting order is.
Fever Pitch Guy
Insane – Coaching staff needs to go as well, starting with Febles.
manfraud
Biggest W of the season
Dogbone
Love the name
Boxscore
Turns out the Bloom cult were wrong. Ownership agreed with us.
Claydagoat
Yay?
Boxscore
F^*ckin A!
SFBay314
Downfall of the analytics guys coming? Gabe and Farhan seem on the hotseat if they don’t make these expanded playoffs
solaris602
Precisely! It’s never been easier to make the post season than it is now. I don’t know that the Red Sox or Giants were necessarily expected to make the playoffs, but both seemed to take a half assed approach to assembling their rosters last winter. Good to see BOS levying consequences for being non-committal.
bag o ballz
I don’t see how making a run at judge down to the wire and then failing the physical on a guy who again failed a physical and took a much smaller contract is half assed.
solaris602
We agree to disagree. Zaidi seemed to put forth an effort to land top free agents, but at the end of the day he came away with Conforto, Haniger, and 4/5 of a rotation that (predictably) produced mixed results. All the credit in the world to Kapler who has gotten the most out of that motley bunch one could ever expect.
YourDreamGM
If management thought that Correa contract was a good move they should be fired.
foppert1
What gave you the impression they took a half assed approach to assembling the roster ? The no stone unturned pitch they made to Judge ? The diligence they showed in getting Correa on board and then vetoing it ? The 6 free agents they did sign ?
I got the impression they worked their ass off.
solaris602
Effort is meaningless if the results are mediocre. There is no hardware handed out to organizations who gave it the old college try.
foppert1
Ha ha. Nice approach. I hope you don’t coach kids.
You categorised the effort as half assed. Simply not true.
solaris602
But you can’t argue with the results. Doesn’t matter how much effort was expended. How would you categorize the move made by Zaidi at the deadline?
foppert1
A non event. Cost no talent. Almost inconsequential. The only people who think it’s something are fans pissed they didn’t pull off a major trade. The price of consequential deals was obviously deemed to be too high for the size of the need. Ok. Frustrating, but it’s very possible the price was in fact too high.
No you can’t argue with the results. But not considering the effort in evaluating the situation is just a dick move imo. Screams of self entitlement. “You didn’t get me what I want and that’s all that matters.”
cowdisciple
Everyone in a MLB front office is an analytics guy (except for maybe whatever is going on in Colorado, KC and the south side of Chicago).
Hemlock
And the anti-antalytics movement has worked out great in Colorado and KC and for the Chisox.
brodie-bruce
@hemlock
being extrem in either direction, tbh you need a blend of the “old school way” and incorporate analytics. mlb isn’t simed on pc’s and there are some things about players that can’t be put into a stat sheet but might be that missing factor that gets you over the top.
Hemlock
> that missing factor that gets
> you over the top.
Like what? An example or two, please.
Astros Hot Takes
1) sound fundamentals
2) smarts
3) hunger to win
4) culture fit
Hemlock
Astros, I replied once and lost my reply right before I sent it. I’m doing this again through voice to text so who knows what it’s going to come out as.
1) Players that are better through measurable analytics are going to be fundamentally sound players. if you don’t turn a double play, that can be measured. If you fail to move a runner up when hitting, you can measure that too. if a ball is hit to you in the outfield but you get a bad jump and don’t get to it that can be measured too.
2) Smarts or intelligence is a byproduct of a successful player. There are no stupid successful players. players who have been successful for longer are most likely very smart baseball players because they have learned to adapt to the game and the changes made to them during their careers.
3) hunger to win is very similar to constantly improving your game. Again, if you’re successful for a long period of time, you have a hunger or drive to win, and have learned how to continually improve or make changes.
4) The minute you start losing, the culture is going to suck. Nobody wants to lose. I think that the clubhouse culture is something the media loves because it sells copy for them. Everybody wants to hear the latest drama in the clubhouse. when you win, the culture is almost always great. What could be wrong? But when you lose, the culture is going to quickly break apart, and players are going to be upset with each other. The true personalities will come out once you start losing.
of the four items you listed, Astros, the fourth one about culture is important. Each team will have periods where they lose games that they need to recover from and get over. If the losing persists good players can erode quickly into bad ones. So I agree with that one. But the other three can be measured by some form of analytics.
brodie-bruce
some thing along the lines of you trade for player x and player x has a certain attitude or fire that sparks your team. or how a good d minded catcher that knows a pitching staff, and a guy is struggling on the mound he can slow the game down go talk to him. those things that you can’t really put in a stat sheet
Hemlock
Good examples. I agree. Soft skills.
Trollfree
It’s not an anti-analytics movement. It’s called baseball experience rather than hypothetical thinking. If everyone was anti-analytics then KC and Colorado would still be bad.
That’s how analytic supporters spin things for the general public. No facts just estimates.
SportsFan0000
The pro analytics movement has the Yankees and Red Sox fighting go last place in the AL East. Also, the Mets breaking spending records and missing the playoffs. Ditto the Padres.
Too much emphasis on analytics has sunk many teams.
Also, analytics has lead to many teams abandon stolen bases, as a key part of their strategies to win and lead to too many radical defensive shifts and many more things that were not good for baseball.
The better model is old school scouting and evaluation of players and teams and use analytics as one of many factors in making decisions
See Dombrowski and the Phillies.
JoeBrady
Even among the analytic crews, there are better and worse analysts.
Trollfree
Joe – Yes and the sun will come up tomorrow Tim McCarver.
tedtheodorelogan
But not everyone thinks all rosters must consist of platoon dependant players and that you only need 2 starting pitchers. And that you shouldn’t try to improve upon the obvious weaknesses in said roster at the deadline when you are in a playoff race. Farhan and Gabe gotta go.
foppert1
Of course, that’s exactly what they think.
How about we don’t confuse what they actually think, with what your permanently butt hurt mind makes up.
ChangedName
Theo must have decided he’s ready to come back.
rmullig2
They are not getting Theo back unless they give him an ownership share.
AL34
Last year was a mess with him hanging into players then trading Velasquez and adding Tommy Pham. He went over the luxury tax and did not get full compensation in the earlier rounds for the loss of Eovaldi, Boggarts, And JD. The comment this year about the Red Sox being underdogs was very unprofessional as well. Saying something that stupid and not picking up help I think sealed the deal along with Story who is a complete damaged goods bust. Going into this season and depending on Chris Sale, Paxton, and Kluber who stole money this year was another bad move. Letting Eovaldi and Wacha go was another mistake. Trading Velasquez to the Astros who we were playing that night was another low unprofessional move as well.
SportsFan0000
Theo has said he would never go back to Boston and I believe him.
John Henry just announced that Red Sox are not hiring Theo.
There is bad blood between the two sides that money cannot fix.
Theo has enough money from his big contract with the Cubs.
Fever Pitch Guy
Fan – Theo had an inflated ego and acted like a jerk, that’s why Henry refused his demands and let him go.
Dumpster Divin Theo
I’m back! Is that a Batlight? Or a flashlight in your pocket?
SportsFan0000
Maybe back to MLB, but never back to the Red Sox.
Theo has publicly,. strongly, stated this.
And, John Henry and the team have stated for the fans that
Theo is never coming back to Boston.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
I think, I would have given him another year
A lot of guys hurt and some unexpected things
hey were half decent this year, but alas the MLB is the NFL like Glanville said many moons again…… Not For Long
DBH1969
A lot of guys hurt because he signed injury prone guys
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Trevor Story was a fluke and now he is back and back to his normal play
rmullig2
If this is Story’s normal then the Red Sox are in deep trouble.
AL34
On the cheap side too
Trollfree
Lefty – What an open minded thinker you are. A fifth root canal when you didn’t have to go beyond four!!!
How about considering the monumental drop in talent on the roster?
Could that have anything to do with their poor performance?
Or their manager whose two greatest skills are cheating and being bilingual?
Could that have anything to do with their poor performance?
Or the pre-season roster not being deep enough with quality pitchers despite spending over $200MM after dumping the DD all-stars in the off season?
Could that have anything to do with their poor performance?
Yeah, blaming the GM seems so inappropriate!!! hahaha.
What hurts worse losing quality players to injury or bad players to injury?
Let’s count the quality players – Devers, JT, Jansen. Done.
I don’t remember them missing much time. So we should give a pass to the GM for injuries for guys like Kiki hitting under .200 a major portion of the time, or Story who was acquired while injured or Duvall who is a streak player who appeared to cause a big drop-off when he got hurt while hot but came back cold which usually happened after the hot but since there was an injury in between his loss was tragic rather than simply a delay until he got cold.
This year had nothing to do with injuries. It’s all about the final demolition of the 2018 World Championship roster. If I found out a Yankee fan paid for Bloom to be here it would be believable because of all the destruction he caused. He was a gift to Yankee Nation. He destroyed half a decade of Boston baseball.
NO EXCUSES FOR BLOOM. HE WAS TERRIBLE ALL FOUR YEARS. He peaked in 2020 at incompetence but 2023 gave 2020 a run for it’s money.
sfes
Yankee fans were hoping they’d seen this headline for Cashman after reading comments here.
I do recall plenty of unhappy Sox fans talking smack about CB. Was Betts his decision or the owners?
vtadave
I’m pretty sure he would signed Betts if he could have.
barrybonds1994
How could they not sign Betts but they could sign Devers? Doesn’t make sense. Betts took huge amounts of deferred money in his deal with LA anyways.
drasco036
Betts didn’t want to stay in Boston, first. Second the Red Sox were in a really bad spot with the luxury tax.
Betts didn’t like Boston and specifically mentioned their handling of Jon Lester as a reason why he wouldn’t have stayed. If I remember correctly, Betts either turned down or said he would turn down an offer that was very similar to what LA offered.
ibuititnoonecame
It makes sense Henry didn’t want too. He was enamored with the Rays way of doing buisness. So he hired Bloom let Betts go. Then 2 years later staring a fan revolt in the face he payed the Devers…. Can you imagine had they traded the Devers the same way…… it’s simple
Boxscore
Pass that around.
I.M. Insane
I heard that, money-wise, the Sox were willing to pay Betts the equivalent to what L.A. gave Betts. Maybe not the length. But you’re right and it’s too bad so many fans are blind to the fact Betts hated Boston and, after leaving, called Southie “racist” with nothing to back it up.
drasco036
Rumor is Betts turned down 300+ million from Boston, denied it for a couple years and then kind of sort of admitted to it.
I like Betts as a player but I hate his PR pandering. I think it’s great Betts gave away some food after a World Series game in Boston but his camp disgustingly exploited it. I also hate how, three years after the fact, he claimed he loved Boston simply as a PR pandering attempt at the Red Sox fan base.
MWeller77
I.M.: Are you Black? If you’re not, you need to sit down instead of challenging what a Black person (Betts) said about their lived experience with racism.
GASoxFan
Are you calling Mookie a liar?
He was interviewed in his first return to Fenway and publicly stated he never wanted to leave
MLB Top 100 Commenter
IM
What is your evidence that there is NOT some level of racism in Boston especially at the ballpark compared especially say to Los Angeles.
Sounds like you have no evidence. If the salary does not fit, you must acquit.
all in the suit that you wear
GA: In July 2019, Mookie said he was definitely going to free agency. I think he is revising history now.
“Just because you go to free agency doesn’t mean you don’t want to be somewhere. It’s just a part of the business.”
masslive.com/redsox/2019/07/mookie-betts-boston-re…
I think he only changed his mind about free agency after Covid hit when he was in LA and there were no fans in the stands and people were wondering about future cash flow. I think he caved and took LA’s offer.
Trollfree
drascoo36 – Your facts are wrong. Mookie’s representation suggested a 12 year $420MM contract. That’s $35MM a year which was a fair market price for the 2nd best player in baseball at the time.
The luxury tax issues went away in 2020 and it wasn’t because they got rid of Mookie it was because Price opted out and saved $32MM when they were $28MM over the cap.
LAD’s offer was even more than what Mookie’s representation suggested and that was in the middle of the COVID year!!! Yep, whether it was ownership, Bloom or both that allowed Mookie to leave, they should burn for it. The impact to Red Sox fans has been off the charts bad.. Losing teams after building a champion with Dombrowski.
You have your stories confused. Mookie had issues with diversity in the organization and John Lester was NOT the cause of that issue. Home town discounts impacted Lester and Mookie said no to home town discounts which makes perfect sense. Remember, this organization treated Mookie like crap. He had to prove his value to step out of the shadows of players like Blake Swihart who the front office loved. Mookie had plenty of reasons to go but DD was going to his best to keep him so they fired him. That’s how much ownership hated Mookie for standing up to them on diversity issues.
The home town discount issue isn’t nearly as embarrassing as the public fallout that would have happened if the sports writers would have focused on the diversity issue Mookie was fighting.
Trollfree
I.M. – Mookie hated the ownership for diversity issues not the city. If he hated the city so much why did he and his wife have so many charities helping the people of the city? Your info is wrong.
GASoxFan
Going to free agency doesn’t equal I want to leave. IMO it meant OK boston, I want to see what MLB values me at before I sell myself short.
I believe that as well because mookie would not even take a deal to buy out just pre-arb ahead of time, despite DD trying. Only in the final season did he technically do that, but, he always wanted a one year deal even though he knew he’d be in town several more at the earliest point.
He always wanted to see the pulse of his actual market value at every step. FFree agency is how you learn that as a post-arb player.
You may be right, of course. Then so may I. Or the truth may be in the middle.
GASoxFan
Mookie got them under the cap. Price also would’ve gotten them under the cap. But after mookie left, moving price wasn’t necessary. Spending added post mookie/price raised the figure again but was not yet on the books when the deal happened, it was additional spending using the newfound price money.
Trading mookie got under cbt. Trading price was aboutnfreeing up spending money to go shopping.
Fever Pitch Guy
GASox – True about spending, but Bloom didn’t start spending until last year. I think Kike’s $14M contract was Bloom’s biggest until the Story disaster.
all in the suit that you wear
GA: I’m not sure where we are diverging about Mookie. I think he made it clear he was going to free agency, so the Red Sox traded him. Then he decided to sign with LA instead of going to free agency.
SportsFan0000
There is a long history of racism by some Boston sports fans experienced by both the “home” Boston players and by visiting African American players.
Google it.
Plenty of articles relating to both the Red Sox and the Celtics including Sam, Kennedy having to publicly apologize for racist taunts to opposing players at Red Sox games at Fenway.
SportsFan0000
marca.com/en/basketball/nba/boston-celtics/2023/03…
theguardian.com/sport/2017/may/03/adam-jones-racis…
Jaysfan1981
Jays fans will like to see Atkins also have a similar headline
GASoxFan
On the upside now the NYYs can sign chaim bloom without needing to give up compensation!
THEY LIVE!!!
Hmm
CravenMoorehead
Roddy Piper W
Old York
Well, at least Boston is willing to cut ties with a failed project. Yanks are still stuck in the 1990s and early 2000s thinking they’ll keep winning championships by buying overvalued players.
CravenMoorehead
Overvalued *injury-prone players 🙂 🙂 🙂
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Wowzers
walls17
“His time with us will always be marked by his professionalism, integrity, and an unwavering respect for our club and its legacy.”
Nah, I think it’ll be remembered for the Betts trade you forced on him instead.
sfes
Being known as the guy who traded the best player you’ve developed since Ted Williams must suck.
MWeller77
Traded away the best player they’ve developed since Ted Williams? But Bloom RE-SIGNED Refsnyder *buh-dum-TISS*
EDIT: Goodness gracious, I’m mixing up my MLBTR jokes. Refsynder has developed by the Yankees, not the Red Sox. Please carry on; I’ll show myself out.
Claydagoat
Leave Refsnyder alone bro.
mcmillankmm
It was on Bloom to get the return from a Betts trade though
Boston2AZ
Hard to get a decent return for a player who made it clear he was more than willing to leave if he (and Boras) didn’t get exactly what he wanted though, no?
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Nationals got a better return on Soto than the Red Sox did on Betts. Maybe Bloom’s hands were tied, but nonetheless with tied hands he was failing to get the job done. Would be funny if he took a position under Stearns
ItsKirsten
Soto had years of control left
Trollfree
BostonAZ – Mookie’s value was never in question due to him wanting to leave. It was an opportunity for some lucky team to steal a legend. Bloom’s deal for Mookie has the Indians who sold Manhattan feeling like they were good at bargaining!!!
Bloom did two things that are unforgiveable:
1 – He agreed to move Mookie rather than sign him
2 – He didn’t even try to maximize the return, he took the first low ball offer.
Now it’s 4 years later, LAD has a future HOFer playing for fair market value and Boston got 5 or 6 years of average ball players costing average money and some fools declare Boston won!!! Idiots. Worst deal in 100 years.
SportsFan0000
AJ Preller and the Padres did a huge “overpay” for Soto.
Soto can only play one position at a time,
And, Soto cannot pitch.
The Padres are a worse team with Soto
because they gave up too much present and future top rated young talent and depth.
Padres are going backwards with Soto and minus many of their top young emerging star players with that terrible trade.
AJ Preller drafted and built one of the best farm systems in baseball and then destroyed it in 2-3 years of bad trades. with zero championships to show for it.
all in the suit that you wear
The main return for Betts was $48M which was half the money owed to David Price. When a team takes on that much money, the player return is lower.
Trollfree
All – Yes your fundamental thinking about Price’s contract was a deterrent but just like LAD, Boston has deep pockets so this wasn’t a financial decision. When a team’s profit is $300MM or more mistakes like Price’s aren’t a big deal. Key factors that must be considered financially:
1 – Mookie wanted an $8MM raise in his extension
2 – The entire financial plan put together by DD was for 2016 to 2022
3 – 2023 was to be the retool year
4 – If Boston stayed at $328MM in 2020 it would have been a $10MM tax cost but COVID happened and Price opted out and dropped payroll by $32MM. So the tax would have either been $10MM if you didn’t know COVID was going to happen or it would have been $0MM with 20/20 hindsight.
5 – After Cherington created RETAINED PAYROLL numbers over $40MM from 2018 to 2021 why would a new GM add $16MM to that total? Price needed to get healthy and pitch in 2020 or 2021 then be traded at the deadline if he could stay healthy until then. The amount eaten would have been minimized.
6 – The February giveaway of Mookie could have been a July trade that would have could have brought some outstanding pitching from LAD, SD or ATL who were all in the hunt for the #1 spot in the NL.
There is no rationalization that can justify Mookie being in LA now.
Deleted Userr
Boston won the Betts trade
rmullig2
You forgot the LOL
Deleted Userr
No LOL’s here. 5 years of Alex Verdugo + dumping David Price >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a comp pick after the fourth round.
BigFred
Stole Verdugo, Wong and Downs from the Dodgers and stuck them with Betts, Price and a pile of cash. Win!
JoeBrady
It’s a win if you spend the money correctly. The RS received 5.4 bWAR from Verdugo & Wong this year, while LA got 8.1 from Betts. Unfortunately, the $30M we saved was spent on Story & Kluber.
Deleted Userr
@JoeBrady Only what Betts did in 2020 counts towards the trade.
differentbears
Lucky for Boston’s end of it, all Mookie Betts did in 2020 is finish second in the NL MVP race and win the World Series.
Deleted Userr
Boston wasn’t winning anything in 2020 even with Betts lmfao
YourDreamGM
Health crisis made it a mega win for Boston. LA took on all that salary and lost all that prospect capital for 2 months of Betts. Got a championship so worth it. Whatever Betts did in LA for 2 months didn’t matter to Boston.
Trollfree
thelegendaryharambe – Why would only one year count in the trade?
If you trade me a great leased car for a bunch of junk in your garage and I take it then buy the car with my insider position in the purchase the benefits to both sides are clear.
You got a buncn of junk (Red Sox)
I got a great car for years to come (LAD)
Suggesting the bunch of junk is the better half of the deal is silly.
Without the deal I wouldn’t have had the advantage in getting the car I wanted to drive for years to come. You must count the “advantage” in this case as the BEST part of the deal.. LAD won hands down, no contest.
JoeBrady
thelegendaryharambe
@JoeBrady Only what Betts did in 2020 counts towards the trade.
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I was referencing had we extended Betts.
But past that, the RS are way ahead on value. We’ll get something like 25 WAR from Verdugo & Wong.
JoeBrady
Trollfree
You got a buncn of junk (Red Sox)
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I’ll bet that the RS get more WAR from both Verdugo & Wong than the LAD got from their one control year of Betts.
Deleted Userr
@Trollfree Trading for a player doesn’t give you any advantage in signing him. Betts wanted out of Boston so they got the best deal they could while they could.
The first word of your username suits you!
Deleted Userr
@JoeBrady Trade looks a lot better once you realize that Betts was going to leave anyway.
JoeBrady
That’s the crux of the conversation. The pandemic makes it difficult to compare contracts, but Betts took less from the Dodgers than what the RS reportedly offered him. MLB values the LA contract as $306.6M/12 while the RS offered him $300M/10.
Maybe he took a look at our .519 team, with a maxed-out payroll, and no farm, and decided to look for greener pastures.
kma
Surely, you’re not implying the Dodgers lost the trade.
Dumpster Divin Theo
They got Jeter and Kelly Downs. Not too shabba
Boxscore
You funny.
TrueBlue44
Preller is next
Gwynning
Yet another Dodger fan calling for Preller’s head… must mean he’s doing something right!
bag o ballz
lol considering that since preller was hired there have been a total of 2 seasons over .500 and the farm system has been decimated with one of the highest payrolls in baseball I gotta wonder what you think he is doing right.
websoulsurfer
Padres started spending in 2020. 2 of the 4 years when they were not in the bottom 5 in spending, they were in the playoffs including knocking out the Dodgers last season on their way to the NLCS last season.
Preller has done a good job when given the resources to sign top players.
Dodgers have still outspent the Padres by,
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wait for it,
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$1.059 BILLION since McCourt sold to Guggenheim
There are 5 teams in MLB that have not spent that much TOTAL over that same time period.
trueblue442
I don’t care. Keep flushing your farm system and over pay free agents for a losing record. He did the same thing in 2015. Enjoy baseball purgatory!
websoulsurfer
Padres farm system is already top 10. It will be top 5 by the time the 2024 rankings come out after they sign one of the top 2 international free agents in January.
Padres knocked the Dodgers out of the playoffs last season on their way to the NLCS and I guess Dodger fans are still smarting a bit from that whooping when it counted.
Padres actually spending must scare the living daylights out of the Dodgers after they outspent every team in baseball for more than a decade.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Just because a few Fisher fans like to taint Preller does not meaning he is getting it right.
They paid mega bucks for Bogaerts when they could have signed or traded for a better hitting first baseman at a fraction of the years and cost.
That is giving a pass on Trea for Myers and Hosmer, and so yeah, time for Preller to go.
websoulsurfer
Who could they have signed that was better than Cronenworth? What 1B available in FA was out there that had been better than Cronenworth?
Who could they have signed that has done better than Cronenworth has done this season at 1B?
No one you say?
Exactly.
Of the shortstops that were FA last offseason, which one has done better than Bogaerts this season.
None you say?
Exactly.
So, what exactly did he miss on?
Nothing you say?
Exactly.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Websoulsurfer
This is a fun game!
Bogaerts cost $280 million
Jeimer Candalario had comparable offense for $5 million
With Jeimer, you play Kim at SS, Crony at 2B, and Jeimer at 1B. Rather than Bogey at SS, Kim at 2B at Crony at 1B.
Game and match to Manny. 🙂
websoulsurfer
Kim wasn’t better than Bogaerts in 2021-2022. Bogaerts was significantly better.
Candelario was league average in 2021-2022. a 2.2 WAR average. In 2022 he was simply awful putting up a 0.6 WAR and 81 OPS+ in 124 games. His career averages were a 1.1 WAR and 98 OPS+ through 2022.
By contrast, Cronenworth averaged a 118 OPS+ and 3.5 WAR to that point in his career.
ALL of Bogaerts, Kim, and Cronenworth were better than Candelario was in 2021 and 2022. Significantly better. So why in the world based on past performance would the Padres have added him instead of just playing Cronenworth at 1B?
The Padres were trying to add BETTER players and Bogaerts was better than Kim overall.
Cronenworth was significantly better than any 1B on the market at the time including Candelario who WASN’T on the FA market.
HUGE loss for Manny, but thanks for at least TRYING to play even if you are not very good at the game.
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Websoulsurfer is Pads Fans, outinleftfield and Baseballislife!
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Websoulsurfer
The goal is not to assemble a team of the players who had the best statistics in prior years, but rather to acquire players who will do well in upcoming years. Like the Dodgers taking Justin Turner who was only ok with the Mets or Chris Taylor who was horrible with the Mariners and then getting huge value out of them.
The goal is to avoid spending 280 million on Bogaerts who is a fine hitting shortstop but would only be an average hitting first baseman, when the position open was first base and they shifted two players out of position to accommodate Bogaerts.
So you made some factually accurate statements but nonetheless failed to refute my points. The Padres could have signed Jeimer Candalario and had $275 million left over. Played Jeimer at 1B, Crony at 2B, and Kim at SS. That was the right move. Your comments as to the prior year stats amount to “How could they have known?” but clearly fail to refute my “What could they have done better?”
Instant replay gives the WIN back to Manny. 🙂
websoulsurfer
You act like Preller or any other GM has a freaking crystal ball. Hint. They don’t. All they have to go on is past performance and you would have to be a total and complete moron to think that Kim’s past performance was better than Bogaerts.
Even the best prediction models had Bogaerts far outperforming Kim in 2023. They also had Cromenworth outperforming any 1B that was on the FA market.
You STILL have not answered the question of what 1B they could have signed that was better than Cronenworth. You blew the answer you did give totally.
The Padres would not have signed Candelario because the Padres had a BETTER player lined up to play 1B already. No need for a league average player when you have an All Star on the roster already.
The goal is NOT to save money, it’s to win championships and you do that by adding BETTER players. NONE of your suggestions were better. What they did was sign and play the BETTER players.
You keep trying to make arguments with the luxury of hindsight and that is why you are wrong.
So please, comment about things you understand. Baseball clearly is not one of them.
SportsFan0000
Preller is a disaster!
1st, signed and traded for a bunch of over paid, declining free agents earlier in his Padres tenure that turned into a bust.
2nd. Drafted and built one of the best farm systems in MLB
3rd Signed overprice, overrated, declining free agents like Hosmer
4th Spent 3 years trading and dismantling one of the best farm systems in MLB to receive a truckload of declining, overprice, over rated veterans who never performed to prior levels.
(Soto is finally hitting, but a huge over pay and sell out of Padres future.)
5)Peller squandered the building blocks of a long term contender, but the rest of MLB loves trading with Preller and stealing the best young Padres farm system talent.
6)Soto deal will go down as one of the worst deals in Padres history, (. Soto can only play one position at a time, cannot pitch and will be leaving San Diego in free agency).
7) Clevenger and other deals with Guardians were. lopsided/ one sided deals won by Guardians.
8)Ty France to Seattle for garbage returns.
9) Deas with Rays were bad.
10) Preller routinely gets “:hosed” in trade deals.
11) And, what is with Preller’s obsession with signing and trading for washed up ex Texas Rangers players?!
12) Padres won’t win anything until they fire AJ Preller
and build a better Front Office.
JoeBrady
Preller is not all bad, but his biggest issue is that he virtually never makes a trade that doesn’t add to his payroll. That’s how he gets to ~$300M. The Soto trade not only costs $23M for Soto, but also required them to sign Bogaerts.
This is all speculative “what ifs”, but if they kept Abrams, he could play SS (or more likely the outfield) and traded just part of that package for someone like Freeman or Olsen, and still had spending money for a Turner or Duvall for DH.
SportsFan0000
The Dodgers took a “step back” by letting some of their free agents walk and breaking in some of their farm system players and with injuries to their pitching staff.
Many experts picked the Padres to, finally, over take the Dodgers and win the NL West this year.
But, they over estimated the bad, roster killing moves made by AJ Preller.
From a playoffs team, to a team fighting to stay out of last place.
Good job AJ Preller!!!!
You should be proud of Preller’s job!
He took a team with a loaded farm system and destroyed it in a few short years.
YourDreamGM
Ownership extended Preller and keeps authorizing the awful player contracts. I am sure they are enjoying the attention and game attendance. Doesn’t seem like he is on the hot seat or even warm seat.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Yeah I agree with that.
Preller should be fired.
But I don’t expect it to happen.
websoulsurfer
He isn’t. His job is secure for now and he is under contract through 2026
Adrian Gonzalez German Marquez
Managers and executives get fired while under contract all the time.
Unclemike1525
Kind of surprising as a Cubs fan because it looked like he put together a good young team with a future. I was impressed by them when they played the Cubs. Thought he deserved a bit of a longer leash. Welcome to the world of must have instant results or else.
sfes
I was thinking the same.
DBH1969
Big Market team. Win or go home. It is the Red Sox Nation’s first commandment
YourDreamGM
They got rid of better gms than him.
CravenMoorehead
And somehow Brian Cashman still has a job oof!
VonPurpleHayes
Technically never missed the playoffs, although he’s about to.
sfes
2008
VonPurpleHayes
Yeah you’re right. He missed them twice. My bad. Still impressive.
LordD99
And he’s never had a losing season, although that may end too.
Big whiffa
When did Yankees change their standard ?
Deleted Userr
2016?
CravenMoorehead
My homie VonPurpleHayes,
2016, 2014, 2013, 2008. Soon to be 2023 with a payroll north of $200 million 🙂
VonPurpleHayes
Yeah. I mixed the “not losing season” with playoff appearances thing. Still, as a fan, I’d signup for it. Winning it all is hard. Having a chance almost every year is pretty exciting.
Occams_hairbrush
Interesting.. I honestly thought he was making cost-cutting moves to please Henry, but apparently, he was just in over his head.
Appalachian_Outlaw
It’s hard to say if both those things weren’t true at the same time. Regardless of what an owner orders a GM to do, the GM will always take the fall for the end results if it turns out poorly. Flip side of it, Bloom has made some really questionable FA moves.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Over his head. Oh but it sure feels nice
JoeBrady
It’s hard to say. The RS cut their spending by 11% while TO, the NYY, NYM, Philly, LAD, and SD increased their spending by 92%, 26%, 103%, 34%, 23%, and 97%.
I was going to mention this in the first off-season thread, but Henry has not kept up. I’d be glad to pay some type of attention to the cap, but if everyone else is increasing their spending by anywhere from 23% to 103%, you have to increase your spending.
Even TO has increased their spending by almost 100% since 2019. If you want to duck under once every 3-4 years, okay, but we need to act like a big market team.
all in the suit that you wear
Joe: The teams that did not increase spending and built through the farm system (Orioles & Rays) are at the top of the division. I like that approach better.
'Tang It
You can do both. Sign the good young players early. Draft well and sign free agents strategically.
all in the suit that you wear
Bloom was drafting well and signing free agents strategically. However, if there wasn’t a deal that was good for the Red Sox, he wouldn’t make one and put the future in jeopardy. Avoiding bad signings and bad trades is just as important as making good signings and good trades. Apparently, the Boston fanbase, Boston media and John Henry are too impatient to take a long-term approach of building mainly through the farm system.
B dog 351
Suit : signing F/A strategically. I finally see it . I don’t know how it took so long . Just look at the DH situation in Boston . We have at least 4 guys that should be the DH JT, Yoshida, Devers, Duvall. Plus we have Bobby Dalbec waiting in the farm. Amazing maybe if he got another year he could have collected second baseman. Then moved on to pitching.
GASoxFan
Joe – we don’t know what ownership would approve Bloom to spend for 2023, only what bloom found takers for contracts at valuewise for 2023…. right?
JoeBrady
we don’t know what ownership would approve Bloom to spend for 2023
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The assumption is that ownership approves the budget, and that Bloom spends the budget.
It might not be obvious, but the spending by other big teams is a serious problem for us. Just four years ago, we were #1 in payroll. Now we are #12. I always defended Henry because Henry always spent to the cap. But now the market is going up. Guys like DD and Preller, despite their mistakes, did one 100% needed thing-they convinced the owner that it was better to overspend and make the playoffs than to underspend and play .500.
JoeBrady
And as a follow-up to that, what happens if Henry spends $222M again? We need maybe Yamamoto & Monty, and maybe a guy like Lee. SD, the NYM, Philly, TX, TO, LA, and maybe a couple of other teams will are going over-market on these guys.
Sticking to the cap when 11 teams are outspending you will not work.
all in the suit that you wear
Icon: Agreed. I don’t see anyone taking better care of John Henry’s money than a guy from the Rays such as Bloom.
css 2
Great news!
M.C.Homer
Minasian could be available soon
frugalfarhan
Time to fire all the nerds in baseball or at least keep them in the basement not the front office! Here’s hoping Farhan is next!
jjd002
Those nerds have won quite a few rings recently.
Dumpster Divin Theo
NERDS!!!!!!
And then Ogre became one himself-
B dog 351
Amen
Fraham_
Other than story I think he’s made some good moves
Dumpster Divin Theo
They stole Jeter and Kelly Downs for Mookie something
HighOnPineTar
I FEEL LIKE A BLIND MAN THAT CAN SUDDENLY SEE AGAIN!
Blue Baron
Why are you SHOUTING?
DBH1969
He was also a mute?
kripes-brewers
Dude. Best response ever!!
kma
HE CAN SEE! HE CAN SEE!
CravenMoorehead
Blue Baron – so old boomers like you can hear him
Blue Baron
I can hear him just fine without shouting.
CravenMoorehead
I’m just playin Baron:)
Blue Baron
LOL
Bob_Laublaw
This makes no sense. The owners wanted a guy who would trim payroll and build up the farm. That is exactly what Chaim did. They axed him just as we were starting to see real results on the farm. They hired Dave to wheel and deal and bring them another title and they fired him almost as he delivered said title. Pick a direction and stick with it. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the Sox are always in flux between first and last place finishes they are always changing leadership midstream
whyhayzee
That’s exactly what they are doing, picking a direction, then getting the right guy to go in that direction. Bloom was good at what he was asked to do. Now they go out and get the right guy to take them over the top. 4 championships in 20 years don’t happen by accident. This is the most successful organization of the millennium. Last place finishes mean nothing. Championships are the only measure of success worth tracking. Failures are failures regardless of place.
guyonabuffalo
That’s an interesting take and one that is probably right. It’s obvious there’s no loyalty with ownership. Makes me wonder if going into this gig that these GM’s maybe have an inkling that they’re being used for a specific task and once ownership feels that task is completed, they kick them to the curb and bring in a guy they feel can bring them a championship. I suppose that is the business of baseball, they do it with the players as well.
JoeBrady
Henry seems very impulsive. Directionally, 2019 was pretty bad, but DD deserved at least one more year. Theo should never have been let go. Through the end of August, we had the #2 record in BB. One bad month in 8 years, and Henry got rid of a 1st ballot HOF GM?
all in the suit that you wear
Bob: Agreed. Maybe John Henry thinks the farm system is now built up, but it is not top 10. Bloom did succeed in taking the farm system from bottom-of-the-pack to middle-of-the-pack.
n888
Great roundup of his GM tenure
whyhayzee
I think sometimes managers are also hired with specific goals in mind, such as developing young players. Some have specific skills and are only effective in the right situations.
gfan
His last statement was..But just when we’re tied with the Yanks ? Why ?
swanhenge
Chaim seems like a better #2 guy than a CBO or POBO.
Hard to say if the Sox are better now than they were before he arrived. Farm might’ve improved, but they’re in last place. Again.
BrianStrowman9
Bloom set the next guy up pretty well. Only one bad contract on the books for a few years. Luckily didnt match the ridiculous contract for Bogaerts. They have some prospects and a bunch of payroll capacity. Not a bad gig.
I thought bloom was middle of the road as a GM. But that doesn’t really cut it in Boston.
Occams_hairbrush
Not paying Bogey was probably the best move he made.
Jake Biggar
Extending Bogaerts before free agency for way less and not paying Trevor Story would’ve been the correct move.
Boxscore
Yeah bcos of Bloom SS defense and offense is at the bottom of the rankings this season.
Occams_hairbrush
Whatever on Boegarts, he isn’t that good and he’s going to get worse
Trollfree
icon – There are 38 Shortstops in the history of baseball that have more all-star appearances. That refutes the idea that Bogey “isn’t that good”. Apparently, all those voters and all those writers are wrong and you are right!!
Bogaerts is 30 this year and moved to the NL West from the ALEast and had to uproot his family across country to prepare for his first season in SD. Based on the following numbers he has performed well in his transition year.
Bogey played in 130 of 147 games so far and has hit .272/341/423/764.
He left a MASSIVE hole at SS that wasn’t filled by Bloom. His pay averages roughly $25MM per year and his numbers make him a bargain in 2023.
We have Story for $23.3 MM per year which is roughly $2.1MM less than Bogey and during his first TWO years he’s played in 124 games making him an unreliable replacement for Bogaerts not to mention his TWO YEAR batting stats of .226/.285/.405/.690 all significantly less despite the small $2.1 difference in pay!!
BOGEY is THAT GOOD!!! The numbers confirm it and the fall off in the numbers will happen long after Devers’ numbers fall off even though he’s older!! He stays in shape.
Cooperdooper7
Sorry Toll Free…. you are wrong…… Bogey will never replicate his past performance. His trajectory is exactly what he is producing with this years #’s. His numbers were always be inflated because he played 81 games at Fenway, just like Story’s were inflated for playing 81 games in Colorado’s thin air. You don’t pay players for what they did in the past, but what they will do for the life of the contract you offer.. This is where the Padres are missing the boat big time with so many examples…. Xander being one of them..
JoeBrady
Extending Bogaerts before free agency for way less and not paying Trevor Story would’ve been the correct move.
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I’d have offered Bogaerts $189M/7.
But in retrospect, that would’ve been a bad move.
JoeBrady
There are 38 Shortstops in the history of baseball that have more all-star appearances.
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When you sign a guy, all that matters is how well he does going forward. I love X, but this was a bad contract. I expect him to improve next year, but he only has two top-tier years left in all likelihood.
Father Time is still undefeated.
Cooperdooper7
ESPN’s Jeff Passan noted on a radio appearance Thursday that many teams in baseball view Bogaerts’ 11-year, $280 million deal with the Padres as underwater already. I’ll do one better: within minutes of news of Bogaerts’ agreement going public, a Red Sox-connected person texted that it was “the worst contract in baseball.” Kudos to Bloom for not letting emotion take over on that one.
Deleted Userr
Trading Betts was better because at least that way he got something for him. Well… besides Justin Riemer.
BaseballisLife
Devers. Yoshida. Story. Sale.
All bad contracts.
BrianStrowman9
He didn’t sign Sale.
BrianStrowman9
Devers, probably came from up above his head. Yoshida was one I missed though. He’s a fine player but certainly overpaid.
Occams_hairbrush
Everyone Bloom signed is a bad contract, and every player he didn’t sign was a mistake.
We all know this.
all in the suit that you wear
Bloom did not sign Sale. That was Dombrowski. Devers and Yoshida contracts are good so far.
BrianStrowman9
Well. They’re not terrible players but they’re both overpaid if the best they give you is similar to the 2023 performance.
Sale obviously wasn’t on him. You also only have 1 more year of him. If he’s healthy—he’s also not a bad mid rotation arm. That’s a gigantic question mark though.
For a team that spends what the Sox do—they aren’t crippled with tons of bad money. They have the ability to maneuver in the future.
BaseballisLife
Yoshida is really bad so far. Meh offense and incredibly bad defense for $23 million AAV.
Devers is barely break even on his $17 million now and it’s going to get worse when he goes to $31 million next season and it will be horrible as he ages and has to move to 1B or DH.
Claydagoat
Your takes are really bad so far. Tell us again how your wife doesn’t like Casas.
all in the suit that you wear
Yoshida’s AAV is $18M.
Trollfree
all – Neither contract is good because you must count defense in your evaluation. Also, Devers played for $17MM this year so he’s closer to being worth it than he will be for the next 10 years when he’s taking down $31MM.
BaseballisLife
No. Its not. His posting fee was just over $15 million so the Sox cost for him was $23 million per season
all in the suit that you wear
How do you get $23M per seaon? It is a 5 year deal. He signed a 5 year/$90M deal. If we add $15M to that we have 5 years/$105M which is $21M per season. He may be a bit overpaid, but not a lot in my opinion.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
No Sale among those names
(It’s a pun)
Jake Biggar
It’s not even the Betts trade really. He’s been asleep at the wheel for the past 3 trade deadlines and had teams flatline in August and September as a result. Kinda bummed the Mets beat the Sox to Stearns, but I really hope they hire someone competent (Theo please). Bloom did a good job at drafting it looks like but the major league roster decisions leave a lot to be desired.
brodie-bruce
tbh the mets could of waited till march and stern was going to the mets, only way i see stern forgoing his dream job, is if henry paid him stupid money so high that he would be insane not to take it
Boxscore
We have way too many DH types and defense has taken a major hit under Bloom and he had this habit of only drafting infielders. Sox need pitching! Hello?!!!!
all in the suit that you wear
Bloom was not trading prospects at the deadline in order to rebuild the farm system which looked like his top priority to me.
Trollfree
All – Not trading prospects at the deadline is not a rebuilding activity. It’s a status quo activity that protects “futures” who won’t develop into stars as often as you think. Boston has 3 guys that are home grown stars since THEO was the GM…. Betts, Bogey and Devers. That’s it. So protecting the farm system is like hiding your lotto tickets because they might hit. It’s bad baseball.
Smart GMs filter the losers in the farm system that are over rated and trade them to naive guys like Bloom.
all in the suit that you wear
KD: You may be right that Bloom held too tightly to prospects. However, I think it is easier said than done that you can win now and rebuild a farm system. I think you need to lean more one way or the other.
SportsFan0000
Stearns was never going to the Red Sox.
Word is out.
Experienced Presidents of Baseball ops will not work for John Henry and Sam Kennedy.
all in the suit that you wear
Doesn’t surprise me.
brodie-bruce
@sportsfan0000
with enough money you can get the best baseball executive in the history to be a “yes man” because at the end of the day they know they will have a job tomorrow.
rct
Wow, seems pretty unexpected, but then again I don’t follow the Red Sox super closely. Congratulations to all of the Sox fans here and elsewhere who hated this guy.
CravenMoorehead
Red Sox are gonna celebrate by drinking beer and eating fried chicken in the clubhouse while playing video games
barrybonds1994
That Mookie Betts move is still unforgivable.
Deleted Userr
Yeah because losing him for a comp pick after the fourth round would have been so much better.
stymeedone
Mookie wasn’t signing with Boston. Nothing that Bloom or Henry could do would change that.
ChangedName
That Trevor Story contract might be worse than the Mookie trade.
Occams_hairbrush
Might, be, guess one has to wait to find out.
AllAboutBaseball
They only fired Bloom??
ChangedName
Come on, we know Cora is teflon with that ownership group.
Seamus O'Meara
That’s because those old pasty men are secretly boning Cora.
Occams_hairbrush
Ok Creepshow.
Trollfree
AllAboutBaseball – I read your comment and obviously interpreted differently from others. I thought you were questioning why they didn’t tar and feather him or dress up as a clown and make him do a dozen kids parties.
Everyone else probably got it right but it did make me laugh going in the other direction..
30 Parks
It’s about time! Mr. Farm System dismantled a championship calibre team. Complete disgrace. Where’s all the prospect obsessed Bloom defenders now?
Boxscore
Where are all the Bloom defenders now? In the fetal position crying!
ChangedName
I was expecting at least 30 Bloom puns with these MLBTR Boomer comment sections.
brooklyn62
OK, I’ll have at it…the BLOOM is off the Sox!
ChangedName
LOL! Thank you!
Dumpster Divin Theo
Bloom bloom: out go the lights!
Trollfree
ChangedName – Can’t fault a guy for trying.
The Red Sox have lost their Bloomers!!
The Red Sox ownership has looked like Blooming idiots for four years!!
A lack of experience is the CORA of the problem with that Blooming idiot GM they just fired!!
Ownership went Bloom to Bloom looking for a GM and found NONE!!
whitesox2112
The WhiteSox would of waited 10 more years
CravenMoorehead
Then you have the Yankees who let Cashman hang around like a bad fart courtesy of Taco Bell
Trollfree
KEEP THE HEADS ROLLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CORA, CORA, CORA ,CORA, CORA, CORA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NEXT, NEXT, NEXT, NEXT, NEXT, NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hemlock
IM NOT INTO VOODOO
BUT THAT SOUNDS LIKE VOODOO.
B dog 351
This is F… awesome
TrillionaireTeamOperator
I think Joun Henry figured he could strike good twice thinking Bloom would be a second Theo Epstein but those kinds of clubs are kizmit and guys like Theo move on for reasons.
As a Yankees fan I’d be fine with us moving on from Cashman. I’m convinced he keeps his job year after year because of his last name. Money and Yankees are synonymous. He’s the Cash Man…
guyonabuffalo
Cashman still has a job because Hal’s not George. Hal’s a pu$$y and won’t know what to do without Cashman. Someone’s gotta go and it’ll probably be Boone.
Cooperdooper7
Cora needs to be next.
GregStriz
Honestly its really not Cora’s fault. So many injuries and some confusing moves made by the front office.
brinxsoxcelts
He won’t be because he’s calling the shots
Appalachian_Outlaw
Cora does need to be next, but they may as well let him finish out the string so the new GM can install the people he wants.
all in the suit that you wear
I’m guessing Bloom’s replacement will decide on Cora.
alwaysgo4two
I hear that Billy Beane is currently on his way to check out a piece of paper at Fenway.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Just say no to Bradley Pitt. Unless he brings Gwynneth or Angie. Not the stupid Friends chic or fat Jonah tho
sawyers86
Hal, hey Hal, you see as the owner you are allowed to fire your baseball operations people!
Appalachian_Outlaw
Cashman has a job for life unless the Yankees manage to go 0-162.
MLB-1971
Then I hope the Yankees finish 1-161, so that Cashman can stay until he is as old as the guy in Washington.
SteveC
Mike Rizzo?
Tom the ray fan
Wow, didn’t even let him finish the season lol. Too much analytics plus he lost bogartes, I know he’s having a down season but still he seemed like a red Sox for life kinda guy
Gwynning
I pictured Bogartes as Xander’s Mexican half-brother… they look identical except for the broom-stache on the lesser known sibling!
briar-patch thatcher
WOW!!!!!
Flanster
…..as dozens of MLBTR commenters rejoice
acoss13
Boston didn’t even let the season end. Hopefully they hire someone less analytically-driven, a blend of traditional and analytical skills is what you want.
BaseballisLife
The roar of approval from Sox fans heard round the world.
briar-patch thatcher
TRUST me, they could’ve signed betts. They gave 100M+ to Story and 300M+ to the Boston Butcher. They just played dumb and broke, as they always do.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Fat drunk and stupid v dumb and broke. Compare / contrast
briar-patch thatcher
Well, one is nutritional/psychological and one is financial.
briar-patch thatcher
Great choice. Underrated GM.
dasit
just as theo reaped the benefits of duquette’s work, the next GM will have a lot to work with
Dumpster Divin Theo
You rang ma’am?
CubsWin108
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Dumpster Divin Theo
Trolled by the smartest fan base in baseball
CubsWin108
the reason bloom sucked is cuz he thought he was running the white sox not the red sox lol
LASTSON86
You don’t wanna see anyone really lose their job but this guy KNEW our Sox had MAJOR starting pitching issues at the big league level and did next to nothing to fix it. He got scrap heap junk like Junk Ball-G Garrett Richards and Martin (I only pitch 4 good games a year) Perez, Paxton coming off Tommy John surgery and Called it good.
Need we mention the lackluster trade deadlines for the last 3 years. In 2021, we needed a starter and a 1st baseman, we got Schwarber (an outfielder/DH) and that’s about it. Last year, I don’t remember getting anyone worth mentioning, this year was utility infielder Luis Urias.
Dude, spent so much time being singularly focused on the mi it’s and luxury tax and let the major league club rot. The only Reason Devers is still here is bc of the heat from the fanbase not to let him walk like they did Bogey, JD, Eovaldi and countless others.
Traded Mookie for trash, traded Hunter Renfroe off a CAREER YEAR for Jackie Bradley who hasn’t hit since 2018 and even then the dude lives around the Mendoza line. Like come on.
Bye Chaim. We won’t miss you
Claydagoat
Doubt he will miss you either bro TBH.
Cleon Jones
I believe Bloom’s contract was ending this year. Cora has another year left, will be interesting to see if Henry wants to pay him to go away or squeeze another year from him.
New Pres for Boston should require 5 year deal, 11-12 million guaranteed. Ben Sastonovich will be top target. I have this from a sound source: Me.
okbud
Never thought I’d see them cut him loose so soon. I woulda thought that next year was his make or break but nope. Thanks for your service Chaim.
Trollfree
Thelegendaryhrambe = Boston didn’t need to win in 2020 to come out ahead. They simply needed to retain Mookie OR trade him at the deadline to get value in the trade. Verdugo, Wong and late great Jeter Downs were and still are slugs. They are easily replaced parts that weren’t discounted to create value. They cost what they produced with regard to Verdugo and possibly Wong but Downs cost more than he was worth. The trade deadline deal would have garnered far more talent. All that mattered was that SOMEBODY coming to Boston had future performances greater than his future pay and that didn’t happen. It’s four years later and Mookie with a significantly higher pay structure is still out performing his cost.
It’s a no brainer who won the deal. Added value goes to LAD.
Buzz Killington
Stupid move. He’ll almost certainly get another GM job this off-season. Think Angels, Athletics, Royals, Padres.
mlb fan
“Another GM job this off’season”..Yeah. With his Ivy League connections, analytics “knowledge” and general lack of success, I’m really sure he’ll be in great demand.
Buzz Killington
Lol I guarantee you he’ll get offers to be GM or President of OP unless there’s something in his contract that says he has to sit at home for a year or two.
wallabeechamp
So does Chaim go the AA route and latch on with the Dodgers for a while before moving on to continued success with a forward thinking franchise?
Or does Seidler recognize this opportunity to axe AJ & immediately get an actual adult in there to clean up the dysfunction in his current clown show?
30 Parks
Chaim Bloom creates a mess, not the other way around.
brinxsoxcelts
If they give this Job to Cora or Romero Jr this will be a joke.
olmtiant
Well while I hate for anyone to lose their job. Bloom made an enemy with me when the money saved on Betts was not given to …. You guessed it… my man Brasier… you think he’s sick now… what till Brais rubs his face in it getting last out of game 7 vs Astros ( strike out of enos cabell) we’ll time for my medicine… oh look green jello today….
Dumpster Divin Theo
All I wanted was a Pepsi. And she wouldn’t give it to me!
olmtiant
Mmm juicy fruit….
ibuititnoonecame
The joke here is he did the job he was hired to do. The the candyass John Henry is firing him after he ran the team as he was allowed too. He John Henry didn’t want to spend money. I’m happy they fired him but you can’t tell me that If Bloom were given the freedom he would not have spent money come on……
Rsox
There is always a scapegoat be it the GM or the Manager, never the Owner
ibuititnoonecame
That’s true this one is so obvious though.
GASoxFan
Do you know how much money John Henry spent in 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023 combined JUST on player salary?
ibuititnoonecame
Old salaries of failed players he sent away and on players making money on the team for past success but not capable of being driving forces to win now. Yes I’m aware but they needed to do as other teams did add talent
runningred
Bring Theo back!!
Dumpster Divin Theo
Hire Brad Pitt ! And his schlebby friend Jonah fats
SportsFan0000
Theo will never go back to the Red Sox to work for John Henry and Sam Kennedy.
Dream on!
pirateking24
The guy should have been fired mid season but they decided to fire him 2 weeks before the end of the season. Interesting.
Atlanta Jack
I think Kenny Williams is still available.
olmtiant
And Tim Anderson!!!
99socalfrc
Dear Peter Seidler, you seeing this bro?
rmullig2
The Yankees should hire him to run player development. He can get rid of all the Dillon Lawson clones ruining the farm system.
Luke Strong
What can anyone who is building a team do in just 4 years? It takes at least 7-10 years to develop a team from start to finish. He got only 4 drafts (of guys 18-22 years old) who each need 2-3 years minors and then 2 more for MLB experience before they can expect to be notably impactful, not accounting for injuries or busts. Absurd of John Henry to think he was a magician. You can’t expect anyone to take over a pile of garbage team, restock the farm and have a competitive team with homegrown talent on the field in only 4 years. People have become incredibly impatient in a game that requires nothing but patience.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Head explodes. Ahhhh!
all in the suit that you wear
Well said. It takes more than 4 years to build a farm system.
Andujar
IT’S ABOUT TIME!!
HighOnPineTar
WE’RE GOING STREAKING!!
Fraham_
To be fair he did not do bad job this year. Duvall, Yoshida, Turner, Martin were great additions overall.
HighOnPineTar
They had a 3 man rotation for the entire month of July and his solution was 2B Urias at the deadline.
See ya!
This one belongs to the Reds
He could be the Reds GM with logic like that.
Has anyone seen them in the same room?
GASoxFan
Amd how was SS, the durability of the SP he chose to go with, amd the value vs cost on yoahida/Devers so far in 2023?
Paleobros
Dude you are weird.
Dumpster Divin Theo
Ho Ho- hee hee- strange things are happening
kma
Not really.
Rsox
It seems Christmas has come early to Red Sox Nation
Knucksie
David Price diminished the return on the Betts trade, no matter how much cash also went along with the deal.
seamaholic 2
Not a smart move. Bloom has quietly done a very nice job with what was actually a bit of an empty talent pool when he arrived (by Sox standards, anyway). He should be snapped up quickly.
30 Parks
Chaim? Chaim Bloom?
foppert1
Love the “everyone who knows Chaim” part of the statement. Nicely done.
The man did the hard work and took the personal hammering that comes with that. Good luck to him.
Yankeesforever
The Yankees will accept their small part in this outcome.
If not for our triple-A affiliate embarrassing the Sox in a doubleheader, Bloom might still be there.
I’ll take gratuitous “thumbs up” on behalf of the Yankee organization.
ibuititnoonecame
You know that Cashman is trash too. The Yankees brass is running them all wrong as well. Baseball is not baseball with the Redsox and Yankees spending and being all in….
olmtiant
Insanity…. Doing the same thing since 2009 and expecting different results….
Pedro Cerrano's Voodoo
Sox are still 7-3 against NYY this year
Yankeesforever
that’s like saying your scratch-off ticket has two “win for life” to my one “win for life”, they are both losers
Mikenmn
Bloom is going to get other job offers. Firing him makes sense from a PR perspective–Henry knows the fans want it and there needs to be some accountability for some less-than-optimal years, but dissecting every move he made, with an emphasis on the bad probably isn’t fair. As to Eovaldi, yes, but we are talking about a then-32 year old pitcher who didn’t actually have a great health history.
Trollfree
Mikenmn – I hear Kmart is hiring. I heard Bloom looks good in Blue!! hahahaha
MLB-1971
Eovaldi only had 1 year over 111 innings in the last 5 years. The Red Sox need an inning eater who can pitch 180 innings year in year out, but so do 29 other teams.
Had Bloom not continually signed guys coming off injuries (to get cheaper signings), then the Red Sox would have done better, and he may not have gotten fired. No surprise that signing injured players end up having a full disabled list of injured players.
ibuititnoonecame
The issue is Henry people he spent what he was told. He traded who he was allowed to trade. Now Henry realizes he has a fan problem. So they will go out and spend like fools this winter. Do not loose sight of the facts they have been trash becaue of ownership…..
SupremeZeus
Bloom was never going to recover from the epic Mookie blunder in Boston. That was an all time eff up.
30 Parks
Historic blunder.
nosake
“And while Masataka Yoshida has hit better than many anticipated when he signed a five-year, $90MM contract, he’s cooled after a strong start and turned in shaky defensive ratings that have muted his overall value.”
Yoshida exceeded expectations then fell back to what they expected in the first place and that makes him a bad investment? I’ve watched him all season and have not seen the drop in defense mentioned. If he’s missed the ball a couple times, and struck out once in awhile, that makes him human. Maybe Boston is seeking something that doesn’t exist. Even Ohtani misses the mark, right?
And then there’s Verdugo. Why would you ever bench this guy? If I were him, I’d want to be traded to a team that appreciates what he brings to the game.
YankeesBleacherCreature
Being “human” is not an excuse for being a bad defensive MLB player. Ohtani hasn’t played the field in a while so not the best comp. Verdugo has been in the league for 7 seasons. That makes him a vet on many ballclubs. He deserves to get benched for his avoidable on-field transgressions.
Pads Fans
1.4 WAR = Bad investment.. That is below league average. Everyone that watched any video of him knew he was a DH, not a LF and yet Bloom gave him OF money. With his $15.375 million posting fee, he cost the team $23 million AAV. Need far more than 1.4 WAR for that kind of money.
Cooperdooper7
Pads Fans….. how is that 11 year investment for Bogaerts working out? And F*** WAR… most overused garbage when talking about baseball. Does WAR have some value…. yes… but not to the extent it is used. For Yoshida, there is so much more to this season than just what his stats say. Its a transition to a new Country, Culture, Food, Travel etc…. he has had a nice year….. judge him after next season.
Pads Fans
When you can talk about the Red Sox intelligently instead of an attempt at an insult based on the team I am a fan of, maybe you can be unmuted. Until then go crawl back under your rock.
Cooperdooper7
Nice… you disagree so you have a hissy fit…. ok pal
YourDreamGM
I don’t see the insult. SD paid Xander for his Fenway stats. Was a awful contract from day 1. Boston was just as weak trying to keep him last minute. Both teams have plenty of awful contracts. No need to argue who has the worst ones. They are 1a and 1b along with c d e from Mets Yankees Angels.
JoeBrady
That’s why I like when the Padre fans come in here. They defend every Padre move like it was approved in the heavens. It’s actually more amusing than Preller.
YourDreamGM
They should be grabbing their pitchforks and torches. Instead they are getting funds to build a Preller statue outside of Petco.
Couple if them were bragging about making playoffs 2 of last 4 years. I believe 10 teams have done so with that number to increase in 2 weeks or so. 1 year was the 2020. Oh wow look. If you let Preller spend 200 and some million and trade most the farm system he will get you in the playoffs 2 out 4 years. Give me the gms who do it with half the payroll and have top 10 farm systems.
JoeBrady
It’s probably not that bad. I just like to bust chops for defending every move. Preller’s had two .500 seasons, and one was the 60-game season. His winning % is abysmal.
Slider_withcheese
Luhnow would have them in the ALCS within two years.
Rumors2godsears
Bad news to all the dumpster stores and scrap heap piles as they no longer have a buyer
william-2
This is a man that just lost a job and will now take a big dent in his reputation as a GM with this firing. I don’t want to dance on his grave, nor should any. He lost his job because he failed to make a big market team competitive, and the team needs so many things in this state that winning next year is not a possibility without massive spending or trading away that built up farm system.
We are 3 starters short. Period. Not good starters, mind you. Actual human beings that start baseball games. We have been a quality lefty reliever short for years, let alone have two. We have regressed three pitchers in the pen by placing them in roles they are ill suited for. Houck is a reliever. Whitlock can start, but he is exposed as one. He is far more effective in the pen going through a lineup once. I have NEVER been high on Pivetta. I always considered him a bullpen 7th inning bridge guy to either the 8th, or through to the 9th. He simply doesn’t have the stuff for 2 turns through a lineup. 3 turns is nearly always a disaster. All three burn bullpens to the ground as starters.
These lineup statistics are a result of Fenway (as usual). Most lineups would look better in Fenway. It produces inflated avg, and doubles for any team. This is not a lineup that scares anyone. That is fine when you have both slick elite fielders paired with great pitching. Our defense is vomit inducing most games, and the pitching is frankly ineffective most nights and nearly always so inefficient that we burn the bullpen down to the ground. A bullpen that is already 3 pitchers short because of the ill advised experimental moves to the rotation. The bullpen is filled with broken toys from misfit island, or a cast of struggling fringe AAA players from the ash heap of every other organization that jettisoned them.
Bloom isn’t getting fired solely because of the records. He is getting fired because the goal was always stated as sustained contention year in and year out. We look several years away, massive trades clearing the farm away, or massive spending sprees away from a single year of contention. Option 1 defeats the entire purpose of the Bloom hire. Option two guarantees an eventual blight of the farm and the need to spend to compete. Option 3 will cause us to sign big contracts to acquire any elite talent at long-term diminishing contracts. Eventually this will cause the inevitable contract cap purge and patch work rebuilds we see so often throughout the league. Whoever comes in needs to purchase half a pitching staff. I do not envy anyone running this team the next two years.
Trollfree
William – Another great set of comments. I will remind you, however, that an unqualified man did get a job he couldn’t handle and the owners LET him stay for 4 years and run a great franchise into the ground. I have no sympathy for him.
Bloom tried to grab the brass ring and fell on his face. He’s got to look within himself and ask himself what he is good at. I think he will become a writer of manuals. His Farm System manual was very successful with the Rays and seems to be the only achievement in his career that he ACTUALLY PERFORMED. Sure he had guys surrounding him in TB who told him to deal for Glasnow and others but those guys didn’t come with to Boston but his Farm System book is still used by the Rays.
Maybe his next resume should detail things he did not things his team did because unless you hire his whole team you aren’t getting what his resume says. Boston was proof that he was a fly on the wall in TB not the brains of the organization. He was a senior exec doing senior exec things like taking credit for knowledge that actually resides in his people,not him.
I shelved my 40 – 60 Red Sox t-shirts acquired over the last half century and have refused to support the merchandising until Bloom and Cora are gone. I’ve got my fingers crossed that I get to pull those shirts out of storage before the season ends and no later than Christmas!!
'Tang It
Glad he’s gone, but I hope they find a better version of what he was supposed to be. Fire Cora next!
ibuititnoonecame
All this fire Cora none sense. When he was give the talent to win he won. When not he didn’t. We all know owner stopped spending this he didn’t have the players….
'Tang It
When he’s given an all star lineup, he wins. When he’s given an average team he doesn’t get anything extra out of them and he actively costs them wins with bad pitching decisions. He also gives up on games early way too often.
Boxscore
Cora burns out relievers. Do you follow the Sox?
B dog 351
Box score 100% Your on point
ibuititnoonecame
Did he win when he was given a talented team. Yes he did. Has say I don’t know Boone won in Ny with talented teams no. So yes I keep Cora why becaue I doesn’t know he won he knows how to…..
william-2
I agree with this observation completely. I never wanted Girardi fired from the Yankees for the exact same reason. They each pull starters at the whiff of a problem, are over reliant on match up managing rather than long term lessons (more on that later) to take starters to the next level, and each had a terrible habit of working the hot hand in the pen into the ground and exposing terrible relievers to inopportune situations because of the unavailability of better options due to overwork. The Yankees usually spent every trade deadline trying to bolster a spent pen, and watched absolutely dominant relievers fizzle out by year 3. Luckily, we never develop any pitching so fizzling out a mediocre journeyman arm is no big whoop.
There used to be lessons in baseball that were used to make or break pitchers. To find out what they were made of or force a pitcher to find out. The days of telling a starter that they are pitching 7 or 8 today regardless of what happens to save the pen are over. Managers used to do this all the time. You are going those innings. We need it. Challange! keep the counts low and stretch your innings. Pitch don’t throw. Learn to work the zone and keep the guys off base due to walks or your throwing 140 pitches with a 10 ERA. FIGURE IT OUT. Sink or swim. You’re tired? So, you’re telling me you think our 4th option out of the pen in the 6th inning is better than you to get out of this jam? You should be our 5TH OPTION out of the pen in the 6th inning instead of a major league starting pitcher? You’re telling me that? I didn’t think so, get this f*cker out and end the inning. I have to piss the pen away in the 6th inning every night because grown ass professional pitchers that throw baseballs every day for a living after 95,000,000 throws in your life still can’t throw strikes? Nope, you’re staying out there and for the sake of your pride I suggest you work on how to pitch instead of throw. That is a lesson that sticks.
Trollfree
ib……came – Cora took a 120 win team and turned it into a 108 win team. He destroyed the dynasty with his lack of experience by asking the SPs to start 2 to 3 weeks later than they should have for Spring Training in 2019. That single bad decision led to many key SP injuries which cost them a shot at a fourth Division Title.
Cora is the most prolific cheater in the history of the game and for those of us who played, he should have been banned for life along with Hinch and Beltran. Then he cheated in Boston proving he’s a serial cheater!!
He has no frame of reference for managing except he’s full of crap which goes over well with the media and he can speak two languages so players don’t have to learn English to converse with him. Cora was a back-up infielder who spent a major portion of his life on the bench. That got him a job as a bench coach where all you do is tell guys positive things to make them feel good about themselves. These are not the qualifications for a guy who needs to set a starting line-up, handle a pitching staff or figure out how many days of rest superstar players need. If those guys needed to know a great local restaurant for dinner, sure he might be qualified but baseball stuff? No way.
Cora is as bad or worse at his job as Bloom was. And Bloom sucked at his job.
JoeBrady
Cora took a 120 win team
=========================
He inherited an 84-win team, with the highest payroll, and weakest farm.
baseball-reference.com/teams/BOS/2019.shtml
wjf010
Derek Falvey grew up in MA. PLEASE hire him away from the Twins….PLEASE
dankyank
Bloom was brought in with a dual mandate to bring the team under the luxury tax and restock the farm system, both of which have been accomplished.
However, the pitching has been a weakness throughout his tenure. He’s made some questionable roster construction decisions, despite the financial constraints. Relying on Paxton and Kluber to stay healthy were poor bets and Yoshida is still an overpay.
Hard to fault ownership for coming to the conclusion that he lacks the judgement to build a championship roster.
all in the suit that you wear
The cost of pitching is high and Bloom wasn’t going to trade a lot from the farm system he was rebuilding for pitching. He also was not going to sign free agent pitchers such as Rodon to long, expensive deals.
dankyank
Kluber and Paxton were two poor signings in a string of many during Bloom’s signing. Drafting and scouting aren’t enough if you can’t correctly determine who belongs on the 26 man roster.
dankyank
Kluber and Paxton were two poor signings in a string of many by Bloom. He did slightly more than minimum expected of him, which was to cut payroll and re-stock the farm system. To his credit, he started the rebuild but he’s the wrong guy to finish it.
william-2
The Red Sox in my life time have generated out of their own picking and system in 50+ years less than 10 star caliber pitchers, and I use that term in the broadest low bar term you can imagine. Our minor league has some hitting depth, and the usual puddle of pitching.
Bloom was only going to make a viable competitive staff from import. We have no where near the talent ready in the minors to fill more than 1 slot with consistent competence. Period. If he was not willing to sign or to make deals than he was willing to lose. He was well aware he was stripping a dicey pen to make a bad rotation when he made his choices. I am fairly sure he was hired to bring “sustained playoff competitiveness.” His mark is that we still after 3 years, are still a minimum of 2 quality starters (3 in reality), and 1 quality lefty reliever away from being able to claim that we have a staff able to be mentioned as a playoff caliber staff. A GM can be forgiven for having weak spots exist to make strong spots, but he can’t be allowed to let glaring and disastrous weaknesses persist a full season, let alone over two years. This is a team that instills no fear offensively, is hazardous to the people around them defensively, and has a terrible rotation and passable pen (if healthy and it is obvious it isn’t).
Trollfree
dankyank – You can’t open with such an incorrect statement and then make sense the rest of the way like you did!! Throw out your completely wrong opening paragraph and what you say makes perfect sense.
The Farm System has shown to be strong with guys that were in the system when Bloom arrived. They are graduating to the majors and looking excellent. Bloom HURT the farm system if you look at the players added versus lost. (Excluding the draft picks which are an annual Farm System given for ANY GM in charge) not something Bloom did to improve the Farm System..
Next, there was NEVER a financial issue. Facts show the following:
1 – 2020 would have been a reset year with DD or Bloom thanks to Price’s opt out
2 – More money was spent by Bloom than DD
3 – The quality of talent dropped significantly under Bloom while the cost of the players rose in total. Bloom spent big bucks on many, many bad players whereas Dombrowski spent big bucks on a few all-star level players. Guess which approach works better? Proof is in the 104 games over .5oo for DD vs 4 games over .500 for Bloom.
It is hard not to fault ownership for overlooking the fact that Bloom didn’t have the skill set to handle this job. The astute fans figured it out in FEB of 2020. It’s hard to believe it took a successful group of owners 3 1/2 additional years to come to the same conclusion. So much time lost and for what? It makes no sense to a fan base that had to wait so many years for a ring. This FOUR YEAR hiatus from being competitive is inexcusable. Losing Mookie is inexcusable.
LOVE PARAGRAPHS 2 and 3!!!!
dankyank
First of all, 7 of the organization’s top 10 prospects were acquired by Bloom. Secondly, he traded for Abreu and Valdez last year. He clearly restocked the fa, even if numerous so so to mediocre free agent signings hampered the current team.
JoeBrady
30 Parks
It’s about time! Mr. Farm System dismantled a championship calibre team.
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He dismantled a .519 team with the highest payroll in baseball.
Boxscore
That won it all the previous season. Fixed.
JoeBrady
And he had a .519 team in 2019. And we had the highest payroll and the weakest farm, so where was the help going to come from?
Boxscore
They didn’t have the weakest system. Different lists had them in various spots. Stop lying to make a point.
all in the suit that you wear
The only players worth signing long-term from the 2018 championship was Betts and Devers in my opinion. I’m glad they didn’t sign Bogaerts. His numbers are calling off in the first year of his new contract.
all in the suit that you wear
falling off
Boxscore
So you preferred the bottom ranking shortstops they ran out there most of the season then? Because your boy Bloom caused all that with his stupidity of waiting so long with his usual over thinking that Trevor “bad elbow” Story was the only “star” shortstop left. Who btw has missed most of the first two seasons of his five year deal which are the prime years that your really paying for to begin with!
william-2
I think you are right about what caused the Story signing. Bloom was too slow to the punch, every year. That is a running theme for The Sox in general for a number of years. The chips fall off the board till we either get reclamation projects, players on the downside willing to sign for less, or are left looking at a myriad of platoon players. This obsession with versatility was and is insanity. I would rather have a dedicated player playing his position with competence, then a gaggle of sub-par players that can be sub-par at three positions. It makes it even worse when even those players are asked so often to play at their weakest positions.
I admit openly I was for the Story signing at the time because I thought I could see the strategy. Story could hit and add some power we needed. I assumed he was the final answer after all these years as our second baseman (not shortstop). I had no idea about the injury. He never had a great arm even prior to his injury (so I attributed his mediocre arm to the fact he had a mediocre arm) but was an excellent glove giving us a ++second baseman. So, I saw the move as creating a solution to a problem we have had for years after Pedroia.
What I couldn’t believe and is totally on Bloom is that he was aware of the injury, and he was still projecting him at short if we lost Bogaerts. Mind boggling. Instead, we had a hole at short and second (still). I keep harping on this, but the goal should ALWAYS be to solve problems, not keep them, or create them. A prime example was the entire pitching staff. We had problems, and he managed to create more instead of solving what was so obvious. Weak bullpen, no problem. We will just take 2 or 3 competent pieces out of the pen and make them 5 inning pitchers in the rotation. Sure, the bullpen will be even weaker, burned out and cause us to force the use of three more subpar pitchers onto the roster to replace them. To say the least, this was doomed from the start. What was the result? We had three bullpen pitchers start games, their splits were exposed, rarely made it through 6, and the pen was burned out and caused us to use those three sub-par replacements more than any team would ever want to.
Nearly everyone posting here saw this coming even before spring training. The fact it played out exactly as it should have played out leaves me with this. Management and Bloom had no expectations of winning with this team last year, or this year, The public rhetoric was simply rhetoric. If that was the case, many of his moves, and complete lack of others makes sense. Both year end collapses coincide with a failure to address obvious needs. The lack of impending free agent fire sales both years removed potential prospects and payroll flexibility to spend to solve issues in the upcoming markets. There has never been a doubt after 100+ years of pitching development ineptitude that we would have to import pitching talent to compete.
Two years into this mess we all saw coming, and we are now still 3 rotation arms short going into next year. The bullpen will only be bolstered by returning guys back to the pen, and finally signing or trading for a credible lefty reliever. We have a DH at third, 2 back up catchers, a shortstop, no second baseman, a bad defensive first baseman who maybe can give us a solid hitting year, a bad left fielder, a left fielder in center if we keep him, and a good defensive right fielder that hits below expectations (can we finally say that Verdugo may be exactly what he is?).
Look at who is available this off season. The guys that would fix problems will either break the bank, or do not exist. We aren’t getting better at catcher, center, or rightfield unless we trade those prospects we are all giddy about. There is pitching out there, but will the Sox spend to cause solutions? They have to anyway, but my fear is that they will spend for declining arms, or reclamation projects to patch work the issue, again. Trades will impact the prospects of course. I do not envy the poor shlub coming in. My guess is they will still run out at least two of our relievers to start games, and we will see yet another two people in the pen that should not be there exposed by a staff that rarely goes past 6.
Ideally, Yamamoto so it’s just spending. a Montgomery level pitcher (as long as it’s a credible reliable arm who doesn’t walk the building) and one trade for a third younger arm. Sale, Bello, (insert 3 names), Houck, Whitlock, Crawford to the pen, and use Pivetta in a trade, or in the pen (those 4 guys I mentioned, the verdict and splits are in, and they are not going to be 7-8 inning pitchers), and sign one good lefty reliever. This causes a marked upgrade everywhere on the staff. You think they will do that? That is what they NEED to do to be competitive rather than saying they are.
On the offensive side, I assume they will take a second baseman (not salivating at any name so Frazier seems the most likely target. Meh. There is nothing at catcher. We all know Devers at third, Story short, Cassas first, Yoshida left, and Verdugo in right unless they trade him. Wild card is center. We aren’t getting all that much power in the outfield as is. The big and risky splash is Bellinger, so we won’t do that. Will they allow Duvall to leave to upgrade defensively and have even less power? I think they will risk Duran out there instead. Boys, it looks like pretty much the same heart attack defense and an assortment of platooners.
Trollfree
Joe – STOP with the incorrect information. Bloom stunk we all know it, even you.
I could list all the all-stars on the roster he dismantled or I could point to the 3 consecutive division championships which was unprecedented that the team achieved that Bloom dismantled or I can point to the CORA brain cramp that put the pitchers behind the 8 ball to start the 2019 season that led to multiple pitching injuries that ended with an unusual 84 win season with the same guys that won 108 games the year before.
FYI… 2018 and 2019 when the roster was pretty much the same AND the one Bloom inherited had a winning percentage of 59.3%. That percentage would be 3rd highest in the AL in 2023 and good for a guaranteed playoff spot.
Yes, we are talking about that great team DD provided Bloom and he dismantled!!!
Look in the mirror and feel the guilt for misleading people with the .519 crap which is completely out of context.
It’s the roster that was 104 games over .500 under DD.
That’s the team he dismantled.
stymeedone
Players become FAs after six years. This means there will be transitions to the roster. I’m not debating whether Bloom was a good GM. I’m simply saying dismantled may not be the right word. DDs roster was not going to be intact even if DD was still in charge.
JoeBrady
Bloom only traded 3 of the regular players from the 2019 team. JD, Bogaerts, ERod and Eovaldi all left as FAs.
Bloom traded Betts, Price and Benni. Benni has averaged 2.0 bWAR since he left, and Price 1.4.
Boxscore
@Trollfree Spot on. I love how the Bloomanatti try to rewrite the record. Even after the fact of ownership washing their hands of the guy his “fans” are still doing their revisionist shtick. Too funny.
PoisonedPens
Now, who is going to trade for all of the replacement level players?
wiredrunner
Ding Dong, the wicked witch is DEAD!
Pads Fans
Crazy conspiracy theory straight out of Q. He still wants to see the Rays win so Bloom has purposely tanked the Red Sox chances of winning.
olmtiant
Well if that’s the case he was very successful…
Troy Percival's iPad
Thank holy f***. If you’re reading this and I haven’t muted you, or you write for MLBTR, or you have an MLB.TV subscription, or any combination of that, congratulations. You can do a better job than Bloom did.
cwsOverhaul
White Sox could use his wisdom in some capacity for upgrading its couple decades long player development and farm system woes. Unqualified Getz needs all the outside help he can get. Bonus is low pressure to win from Reinsdorf.
deepseamonster32
Two GM firings in 2 months from Fenway Sports. look out Brad Keselowski…
ChuckyNJ
Keselowski owns a piece of RFK Racing so he’s not going anywhere.
You may have confused Keselowski with Juergen Klopp, who’s rumoured to be leaving Liverpool to be the next coach of Germany.
deepseamonster32
ok. Keselowski’s crew chief needs to look out! Heads are rolling all over the place!
05munds
He only did what the owners told him to do.
Build up the minor league teams.The owners are the ones that write the checks for the players if they wanted there star players signed they would of.
That being said he did do a shity job building this year team.
JoeBrady
Pretty much. He’s like a Daniels or a Preller clone.
william-2
The last two years. So many issues there that I honestly wrote them off from the playoffs before the season started the last two years. Just being realistic. I just didn’t think he would allow those obvious problems to exist through both trade deadlines when in striking distance, so last place both times.
MacGromit
Nuts. Having Bloom in the chair is like rooting for an opponent’s shakey pitcher to be left in longer. You know he’s only going to hurt himself and their team by extension.
Redwolves3
Red Sox can have Zaidi for DFA $$$
guilderc
And in comes Billy Beane
SportsFan0000
Less than zero chance of that happening.
Beane already turned down offers from John Henry years ago,
Jesse Chavez enthusiast
Brewers new GM? Haha JK
Cardsfanatik redux
KC Royals New GM if they’re smart. Cardinals won’t do it, but should
GRE
TORONTO BLUE JAYS NEED TO DO THE SAME THING TO SHAPIRO AND ATKINS !!!!
AntonioArmas
See you in Cooperstown, Chaim!!!
DBH1969
Why? Are you buying him a lawn seat because that’s the only way he’s getting in lol
ShoelessJoeHallofFame
Jeff Luhnow is the man for this job. He built Houston into the sustained winner it is to this day. A successful executive of a large market team has to know how to build the farm system AND use a large payroll wisely to win year after year. Even Brian Cashman, who is derided regularly, buys top free agent talent and trades prospects for trade deadline reinforcements.
Of course, Andrew Friedman is the gold standard for large market clubs. He’s won division titles in 8 of his 9 years. The other year(2021), the Dodgers went to the NLCS as a wild card. He knows how to manage a Top 5 payroll while keeping the farm system full of top prospects to plug in to help the major league squad. Could his recipe for success be as simple as surrounding himself with the best talent in the baseball ops department? Josh Byrnes, Farhan Zaidi, Ned Colletti, Stan Kasten, Matt Arnold, Erik Neander, Chaim Bloom, James Click, Alex Anthopoulos, and Brandon Gomes is the list of current/former General Managers and PBO’s who have worked with Friedman.
There are proven successful, sustainable models out there. The Astros, Cardinals, Dodgers, Braves, Rays, and even Stearns’ Brewers come to mind. The Red Sox need to act less Rays and Brewers and more Astros, Dodgers, and Braves because of the payroll advantage.
Is it wrong for fans to want more? I know we’ve won 4 titles in the 21 years of this ownership group, however we have also only made the postseason in 11 of those 21 seasons. In the 10 we’ve missed, we finished dead last in 6 of those(counting the current season). Over 21 seasons we’ve won only 5 division titles. In summation, we’ve finished in last place more than we’ve finished in first place. As a fan, does a World Series ring make up for mediocrity the rest of the time? Would you rather win every season and celebrate with the occasional title like the 90’s Braves and Twins or the current day Astros, Dodgers, Braves, and Giants? I think the fans of the Royals, White Sox, Angels, and Marlins would trade their lonely titles for some sustained winning.
Astros Hot Takes
excellent summation, @ShoelessJoe
stymeedone
Didn’t the Astros tank for years under Luhnow?
Astros Hot Takes
Astros lost 100+ Luhnow’s first two seasons – he inherited a team that lost 100+ the season before he got there. His 3rd season, they won 70. His 4th Season, they made it to ALDS, losing to the Royals.
Additionally, “tank” is a VERY loaded word. Teams have rebuilt since the early days of baseball – getting rid of dead wood is the way to encourage a healthy forest.. NOBODY – except the Black Sox – are losing games on purpose, which is the implication of the “tanking” trope; what they’re doing is moving current assets that are absolutely useless to the plan going forward, in return for future assets useful to the plan going forward. That is the smart thing to do.
william-2
Tanking is a very real and obvious thing when you see it. Let’s not deny in certain years there were incredibly valuable reasons to perhaps lose and extra game or two to secure a pick for a generational talent. Some teams suspiciously coming just under contract triggers for players. You can see it in macro moves like making sure to not start the clock on minor league talent when it is obviously needed to fill positions to compete at all when they are more than ready to make the jump. Replacing valuable assets with journeyman and fringe prospects for cost lowering, but the micro level stuff is the clear give away. That you see clearly in explicable in game moves with bad teams. When it looks absolutely fishy, it is. You know it the second you see it, and I have seen it a lot in my life in races to last place.
Stop Giving Billionaires Money
I agree about Lunhow but he’s blacked ball by baseball. He messed up by going after the cards for hacking the Stros. Manfred used the cheating scandal as an excuse to get Jeff out of the MLB for good.
JoeBrady
The Red Sox need to act less Rays and Brewers and more Astros, Dodgers, and Braves because of the payroll advantage.
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Part of this is on Henry. I’ve defended his budgets for 15+ years. He spent to the cap every year, and over at the traded deadline, when we are in contention.
But it is a new era. You have the NYY, NYM, and SDP all spending ~ $300M+, and TO, Philly, and the LAD all spending $258M+. The buy-in for the game has gone up. We need to add another $40M+ to the budget to compete with the big spenders.
all in the suit that you wear
Joe: Those big spenders aren’t winning championships. The Yankees, Mets and Padres are missing the playoffs. I thought John Henry realized this when he hired a guy from the Rays to build an organization that produces players.
JoeBrady
They aren’t winning, but they are buying the players. That makes it difficult for us to buy players. It doesn’t mean we can’t still win, but if Cohen decides Yamamoto is a $200M/8 player, and DD thinks Monty is a $100M/5 player, and Preller think Lee is a $125M/5 player, we have to either increase our budget, or do without.
Trollfree
When something this good happens for a franchise there is reason to be filled with joy and optimism for the future.
We don’t need to dwell on Bloom’s performance because it’s over. The record books will show him to be as bad at being a GM as Devers is at fielding 3B.. They both will go down in history as one of the worst of all time at being a GM and fielding 3B, respectively..
With a new GM maybe the roster can be reconfigured to provide both offense and defense in the field and durable SPs and reliable relievers on the mound.
There is one last critical fix and that is the give Cora his pink slip.
Without a good manager, the GM can look far worse than he is. Dombrowski provided Cora with a fully loaded team in 2019 and he screwed up Spring Training for the pitchers which led to all kinds of pitching injuries. In 2018 Cora cost the team 12 wins and they still won 108 so Cora needs to share the blame with Bloom for under performing in 2021-2023.
The bad fielders (Devers, Yoshida, Verdugo) need to go or one needs to move to DH..
The below league average players need to be released and replaced.
Two new top of the staff SPs need to be acquired to go with Bello, Houck and Crawford.
Whitlock needs to return to the bullpen as the stress inning guy.
Another left handed reliever or two needs to be added to the bullpen.
Fix these problems and this team can return to it’s glory years. There was a ton of damage done by Bloom’s choices and ownership’s stupidity but Boston has the profits built into their product to spend wisely and win another ring.
Angels & NL West
Why do so many MLBTR commentors consider Yoshida’s contract a blemish on Bloom’s record? I don’t follow the Red Sox closely so I have only seen him play 6-8 games and may be overlooking the obvious, but Yoshida looked pretty good to me. I note OAA doesnt like his defensive play in the OF, but Yoshida is one of approximately 50 MLB players with an OPS of .800+ and he’s in his first year from Japan which is typically a tough adjustment. Again, I havn’t seen Yoshida play much so I might be missing something, but why do many MLBTR commenters consider his contract a bust?
all in the suit that you wear
Good question.
YourDreamGM
Story Devers and Xander last minute attempt are much worse. Most hate Mookie trade but it wasn’t bad.
Cooperdooper7
Angels & NL West: Said this in another post earlier……… For Yoshida, there is so much more to this season than just what his stats say. It’s a transition to a new Country, Culture, Food, Travel etc…. he has had a nice year….. judge him after next season. I think he has been pretty good… but then again most posters here are just a bunch of complainers.
Boxscore
The problem is Yoshids is another all bat no glove type. They already have Devers, Turner, Casas and Yoshida. How many DH’s do they need? It’s also about how poorly the roster is constructed. Their a mess. If you can’t see that there is no helping you.
DBH1969
@ Boxscore, in the end you may end up being correct, but it is too soon to tell on both Yoshi and Casas.
I am NOT a Cora fan, I hate cheaters. But he said something early this season that struck me a soooo true.
An MLB game is so much faster than triple A or Japan. The pace is quicker, the pitching faster, and the ball his to you much faster. Casas, and every other rookie needs to adjust to the pace. Casas is looking MUCH better at first. He will be fine there. And Yoshi is adjusting to a new country while trying to adapt to a faster pace of play.
And on top of all that, rookies are going to hit a wall 2/3 to 3/4 the way through their first season. Rookies are gassed at this point.
Devers needs to be a DH. WIth Turner most likely leaving, that can be fixed next year.
Just my opinion anyway
@bogie2X
DBH1969
I have no problem if our field is: Duran LF, Rafaela CF, Abreu RF, Yoshi and Devers will periodically change in the DH, Verdugo will be included in the deal for the starting rotation. The new general manager will have to solve a difficult problem with the starting rotation. And logically, if Henry fired Bloom, then he will demand results from the new GM, otherwise why fire the previous GM. But in terms of the farm, we are in a better position than in 2020, but not in having the core of the team.
DBH1969
@ At Bogie, you are and I are seeing eye to eye here. I am open to trading Yoshi, Dugie, or both! Though you’ll get more for Yoshi at the deadline next year.
william-2
Fairly shacky in the field but puts the bat to ball, although not nearly as much stiff contact as I expected from him. Not HR’s mind you, just hitting the ball hard consistently has been an issue. I would say he is a fine complimentary piece on a team if he doesn’t progress. Next year will tell us if adjustments can make him a more impactful bat.
LFGMets (Metsin7) #InEpplerIsGone!!!!
If I were the Mets, fire Eppler and hire Bloom for GM. Stearns will obviously be in charge of major decisions but Bloom has good experience at developing talent in the minor leagues. Would be a great duo
JoeBrady
I agree. I think it was one year too soon to fire Bloom, just like they were one year too early firing DD and Theo. But even assuming it was the right move, Bloom has still shown some development skills.
MPrck
Coming into a organization after the legend that is D.D is never a good idea. The legend of Dombrowski will only grow if he bags Trout for the Phils.
YourDreamGM
Bloom or ownership isn’t good. Devers extension wasn’t good. Story wasn’t good. If SD didn’t top them on Xander it wouldn’t have been good either. Ultimately it falls on ownership for authorizing the funds. Sale was awful contract. Price not good. Panda not good. I consider Theo Ben and Dave to be some of the better gms. Will see how Bloom does in future.
LordD99
A question for Red Sox fans as I’m a fan of the other team in rivalry. Do you think Henry is pulling from his prior playbook he used with Cherington/DD. Cherington built up the Red Sox farm with a strong foundation, and then he brought in DD to close the deal and win a championship? In other words, is it possible he doesn’t necessarily believe the PoBO/GMs who build strong farms are not always the same types who can close the deal for a championship, so he brings in a PoBO who is the equivalent of a closer. Not sure who that person will be, but Is history repeating itself here? It’s not a bad thing at all. He certainly doesn’t allow things to stagnate.
DBH1969
@LordD. It is possible that is the case. But I think it is a more of a case that Henry believes you can build a perennial contender and farm system at the same time without breaking the bank or farm system.
all in the suit that you wear
The farm system Bloom’s successor will inherit will not be as good as the farm system Dombrowski inherited in my opinion. So, I don’t think history will repeat itself.
@bogie2X
all in the suit that you wear
I think that we won’t get results soon. If we want to compare what we got from Dombrowski – Houck, Dalbec, Duran, Casas, Bello, Crawford, Rafaela vs Yorke, Mayer, Teel, Anthony, Bleis, Jordan – if these prospects aren’t involved in deals in the near future.
Boxscore
That’s possible Henry didn’t get his billions by being stupid.
Fever Pitch Guy
Lord – The Red Sox had the 3rd best farm system in MLB for the 2010’s decade. And the Sox won 4 division titles and 2 world championships during that decade. So YES it is totally possible to simultaneously build a strong farm and win championships at the major league level. Tanking for 5 years is not necessary.
JoeBrady
But the farm for the 2010’s was all Theo’s. Since Theo left, these are our 5+ bWAR guys from the US draft:
Benni 2015 16 bWAR
Espinal 5.0
Houck 5.7
Obviously you can’t expect any WAR from draftees for a few years, But we’ve say 2012-2018 getting one real player from the US draft.
Absolutely no doubt about it, we can do both. But we still need a strong farm.
LordD99
@Fever, yes I agree both can be done. The current Dodgers have shown that. Was simply curious what Red Sox fans think Henry is trying to accomplish with his latest GM move. He seemingly likes to shuffle his GMs, or PoBOs, in and out whether they win or lose.
william-2
For my entire lifetime the Dodgers have been competitive and still churning out prospects, and great ones, at an unbelievable rate. 11 rookie of the years, and 25 top 3 finishers. That doesn’t even take into account the ones that didn’t have a great 1st year but went on to have great careers. They have had different GM’s too, so their scouting department must be insanely well funded and well-staffed. They are phenomenal at the international level.
JoeBrady
Henry is pulling from his prior playbook he used with Cherington/DD. Cherington built up the Red Sox farm
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Mostly yes. Cherington didn’t really add much to the farm. It was mostly just Devers & Benni, iirc, and that isn’t much.
But my pure guess is that he is going to hire someone to make a splash in free agency, and give them the budget to do so. And probably authorize them to use at least some of the farm for trades.
all in the suit that you wear
Cherrington also added ERod, Moncada and Kopech who helped DD.
B dog 351
In the words of Mickey Mouse. ( dreams do come true )
Motown is My Town
To fire Chaim Bloom the day before Rosh Hashana is a not a cool thing or good timing for the Red Sox to do…I. guess John Henry and Sam Kennedy could care less about being inscribed into the book of life for 5784, but they should as Karma always wins!
deepseamonster32
they’re getting bad Karma for firing him a day before Rosh Hashanah? WWJD? The Sox need to do some tatbir on Ashura.
bigbatflip
Is anyone surprised by this? Didn’t think so. The only surprise was that it took this long.
Bobby smac9
He built the farm at the expense of the club. Someone will reap the benefits. Patience in the plan ran out. Not surprising the outcome. Bloom might have traded prospects for talent if they were ready to capture the division, but not to have a chance for a one game play in..
@bogie2X
Bobby smac9
It may be a revelation for you, but any new general manager reaps the benefits of the previous GM, some to a lesser extent, some to a greater extent, no one is left without prospects.
Bobby smac9
then again it might not be a revelation to me.
Mitchell Page
Boom should do something with the aimless Colorado Rockies
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
This is really John Henry’s problem. We were decent with Dombrowski and he broke what wasn’t broken. I usually disagree with Fever Pitch on my stance with Bloom but I do agree that Dombrowski was pretty good and getting Bloom didn’t exactly right the ship of one bad season.
SportsFan0000
Dombrowski is a first ballot Hall of Fame Executive
JoeBrady
DD convinced Henry to spend, and that is DD’s superpower. We are spending far less now, while others are spending far more. As much as I would like to improve the farm, and that is vitally important, Henry needs to spend another $40M more this winter.
I’m not saying that we need to outspend the rest of BB, but we should at least have the budget of TO, Philly, and Atl,
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
But money needs to be spent wisely too. Look at the Mets, Padres, and Yankees.
Phillies might look good now but I don’t think they’ll be contenders for years and years.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Is Alex Cora next? Because I honestly think he would be better with a better roster
DBH1969
@Doom. I think Cora leads the team out of Spring Training if the new boss doesn’t just clean house. If he does survive the change, he’ll have until the All Star break next year to prove he wasn’t the problem.
Trollfree
Doom – I think Cora is worse at his job than Bloom. I’m not sure I can put things in a stronger context.
Key Managerial Skills Lacking for Cora
1. Creating a batting order
2. Recognizing when a pitcher is in trouble and getting a suitable reliever ready
3. Substituting pitchers at the right time, not too early and not too late
4. Equal treatment of players (nepotism seems a big part of Cora’s persona)
5 Providing something other than a constant unemotional demeanor
6 Positioning players to maximize fielding performance
7 Not cheating
8 Not lying to the public about injuries
9 Resting players who are critical to winning (he gives bench guys too many starts)
Cora will always be despicable to me since I played and he dishonored the game with his cheating. That’s a good enough reason to NOT have him as manager but if you add the nine items above, it’s clear he doesn’t belong as a manager of a MLB team. It’s my belief that his questionable integrity may have allowed him to have leverage on ownership to maintain such a long standing managerial position with so few skills. I hope that is not correct but I find it hard to comprehend any other way he could still be managing or even in the MLB for that matter.
So any endorsement of Cora that comes to me will be VETOED!!!
@bogie2X
Trollfree –
I have heated discussions with you and at some points, I disagree with you, but about Cora in the bull’s eye.
I can add.
The general manager is always responsible for drawing up the 26-man roster and anyone who would deny that is initially a fool.
The GM’s task is to improve this list as needed.
The manager is solely responsible for how he manages this list.
We’ve seen Cora run the team this season under Dombrowski.
I hope that the coaching staff will change completely.
Cora shouldn’t be the Red Sox manager in 2024.
@bogie2X
Trollfree
We’ve seen Cora run the team this season under Dombrowski.
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We’ve seen Cora ran the team this season, we’ve seen this before under Dombrowski, the way Cora ran the team.
Cooperdooper7
Toll Free…. You and I don’t see eye to eye on just about everything…… but this by far is the most spot on comment you have ever had…. and even I can admit that you absolutely nailed it.
sacrifice
The Ghost of Mookie Betts
Just like Babe Ruth
Agador Spartacus
“As with any president or general manager, Bloom’s tenure will ultimately consist of notable wins and painful whiffs. In this instance, Sox ownership felt that the former had outweighed the latter by too great a margin…”
Ummmm….so he had more “notable wins” than “painful whiffs”?
Bostonsports85
Their is baseball gods!!!! I can’t believe it took 4 years all last place none the less
mhawk94285
#scapegoat
Kershaw's Lesser Known Right Arm
I wonder who’ll be the next schmuck to get fired on September 2027?
bcjd
Wow. I thought they’d give him one more year to spend money on a starting rotation. I guess whatever vision he was pitching in the c-suite wasn’t selling Henry on his plan for next year.
blueblood1217
It’s about time
vivalosdoyers
But the guy who gave Bogaerts almost ~$300mm and is well below .500 keeps his job
Trollfree
vivalosdoyers – Bogaerts made $25.4MM during his first transition year to a new team which often doesn’t reflect future productivity. We have a guy who can’t field a lick making $31MM a year for a decade starting next year. Who ever gave him that ridiculous contract should be fired!!!
Oh yeah, he was!!!! OUTSTANDING!!
aggee10
Yea, bc bogaerts is a defensive wizard..
Bt5201
A lot of entrenched people in that front office.
Roguesaw2
“The Red Sox want to publicly apologize to Adam Jones and the entire Orioles organization for what occurred at Fenway Park Monday night,” Kennedy said. “No player should have an object thrown at him on the playing field, nor be subjected to any kind of racism at Fenway Park.”
New York Yankees pitcher CC Sabathia did little to dispel Boston’s reputation for intolerance in comments to Newsday’s Erik Boland on Tuesday afternoon, saying he’s “never been called the n-word” anywhere but in Boston during his 17-year major league career.
He added that black major leaguers have come to expect racial taunts in road games against the Red Sox.
“We know,” Sabathia said. “There’s 62 of us. We all know. When you go to Boston, expect it.”
google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2017/ma…
You think they treated Betts different because of his uniform?
@bogie2X
Roguesaw2
Devers, Bello, Reyes, Valdez, Rafaela, Jansen, J. Rodriguez, Hamilton should also be attacked for their
Sabathia’s logic.
all in the suit that you wear
I’ve never heard any racist remarks at many games at Fenway and many other stadiums.
Stop Giving Billionaires Money
Falvey (twins) Gomes (dodgers) and Click (formerly with Astros) have to be the favorites for the Boston job. I’d love to see them give Lunhow a shot but I doubt that happens
Cooperdooper7
Integrity should mean something….. so no to Lunhow and please do the right thing and move on from Cora as well.
The Job is Hazen’s if he wants it…. hopefully for his sake he is smart enough to stay away from wishy washy Henry.
SportsFan0000
Very predictable move from the dysfunctional Red Sox Ownership Group and Front Office.’ They should have fired Sam Kennedy and John Henry,
The Red Sox business plan is chaotic, lurches left, right, up down.
Maybe John Henry should stop using the Red Sox as the cash cow feeding
his European Soccer team(s)?!.
I predicted this would happen as soon as they hired Chaim Bloom.
Chaim Bloom was another scapegoat for the bad business decisions of Henry
and Red Sox President Sam Kennedy.
Bloom will Bloom with another MLB team not named the Red Sox
“Build us a Championship ASAP”
“No, Build Us a Farm System and pinch pennies on free agents, trade away stars we are too cheap to resign”.
“No build us a championship team asap”. .
What The Free Agent?!
The Red Sox blow out more top, winning Front Office executives that any other team:
Theo Epstein, Ben Cherrington, Dave Dombrowski, Mike Hazen and now Chaim Bloom.
The beat goes on.
No experienced baseball guy(s) will go to Boston now to be managed by non baseball guys like Sam Kennedy “the bean counter” and John Henry.
The word is out on the Red Sox Ownership Group John Henry
and his butler Sam Kennedy
Expect another young puppet GM managed by John Henry’s Butler and non baseball guy Sam Kennedy.
OR an older Exec desperately trying to get “back into the game”.
(
(Former Astros GM and Scapegoat for trash can banging “scandal” Jeff Luhnow).
Luhnow is actually a very talented Front Office Exec who would be a good fit in Boston if the league ever stops blackballing the guy for what the players did……not him.
Trollfree
Sportsfanoooo – While your rant about the bad ownership is very fair I think you have clumped good GMs with bad GMs in suggesting the owners treatment was inappropriate.
Hiring Bloom, an inexperienced small market pretender who sat in a room with a bunch of much brighter baseball people in Tampa Bay, was a huge mistake. Bloom should stick to white collar jobs in any other industry or writing manuals as long as they have nothing to do with baseball. He was a puppet and after axing Mookie they should have fired him and told the world that they never wanted to lose Mookie so Bloom had to go. Bloom was so desperate to improve his career he would have agreed to it..
Firing Dombrowski before his fourth year ended after winning 3 consecutive division titles (never been done before or since in Boston) was the mistake that they will never be forgiven fpr by Red Sox fans. A HOF GM fired to minimize the impact of their long standing lack of diversity which was about to become the center of public controversy because it involved their franchise player is the type of insanity you mentioned. Bloom was simply a public diversion to avoid the embarrassment of the media digging into the culture enforced by the racist group of owners. They wanted to cover it up so badly they exiled a generational franchise player to LA to steer clear of the fallout from their racist behavior. Since the HOF GM wouldn’t do it, he had to go and in walked the patsy. The unqualified guy willing to fall on the sword for career development.
Things worked out well for ownership because the racism issue was diverted. Things worked out well for Bloom because he got a job he had no business having. The only people who paid for this ownership’s racial transgressions were the fans. The people who provide the support that allows those owners to profit by hundreds of millions of dollars per year. It’s despicable.
I’m really happy you wrote what you wrote because it was a finger being pointed at the right people. Excellent work.
One last ownership issue worthy of mentioning. A convicted cheater was rehired by this ownership group after it came out that he was part of two schemes to cheat in both Houston and Boston. What type of message does it send to fans to hire a convicted cheater who they kept out of baseball jail for his second offense in Boston by lying about what happened?
It sends a message to the public that the ownership group lacks integrity. It might also suggest that the weasel who was willing to cheat twice might have shared his actions with the ownership group so his rehiring was based on a HUSH agreement. Unlike Houston, Boston’s ownership group was not found guilty of knowing the cheating was going on in Boston. One man could have dropped a dime on them but instead he got out of his virtual orange jump suit and took the reins back in the Boston dugout.
How messed up is an ownership group that prefers a convicted cheater over a HOF GM and a generational franchise player? Your comments only showed the tip of a very big iceberg!!! This ownership group surely provides the finances to win but they do it at a huge cost. The lack of diversity, the lack of integrity and their willingness to shoot themselves in the foot to avoid scandal are traits we should all be aware of and despise. I know I do.
CKinSTL
A cleanup of a Dave Dombrowski team is going to take more than a few years.
SportsFan0000
Dombrowski is a 1st ballot Hall of Fame Executive.
And, Dombrowski has left many teams in much better shape when he left:
1) Expos had best record in baseball when strike killed the season
(with Dombrowski’s players 2 years after he left).
2) Dombrowski won World Series title with Marlins in record time.
Then, the Marlins won a 2nd World Series title with Dombrowski’s players
(drafts and trades) that he left there when he was hired by Detroit)
CKinSTL
I wasn’t knocking Dombrowski’s competence. It seems pretty clear that Dombrowski has been hired to scorch the earth and go all-in for a few years – not to build a sustainable organization.
I’m not saying that is right/wrong.. thats just the job he gets hired to do and there is an ongoing impact for the next regime to clean up (namely bad contracts and bad farm systems).
Dombrowski helped give the Tigers a few years as serious WS contenders.. but here we are, about 10 years later, and they are still paying Miggy. Bloom had to attach Price to the Mookie deal and the Sale deal was a huge bust. All Dombrowski deals, if I’m not mistaken.
Just because he leaves a mess behind, that doesn’t mean he is ineffective though.. he puts his teams in a position to compete for a few years and has done that quite well. I’d also point out that both the Tigers and Red Sox have made plenty of mistakes after Dombrowski left, their margin for error is just a lot smaller when you have to work around contracts that have gone bad.
Trollfree
CKinSTL – What a ridiculous set of comments!
Scorch the Earth?
How dramatic and inaccurate of you to phrase it that way.
Lets see DD came in and within a year he turned an average club into an unprecedented 3 time division champion.
NOT ONLY DID DD ESTABLISH SUSTAINABLE WINNING HE DID IT WITHIN A YEAR!!!!
The lack of truth in your comments suggests you had an agenda you wanted to present whether it was true or not..
You have no understanding of the baseball business but lots of uninformed opinions.
Check out the facts
1 – DD comes to town and turns a loser into a winner wherever he goes
2 – When DD leaves ownership has a payroll near the CAP and has the choice of continuing to compete or pulling back
3 – The GM that follows DD is ALWAYS a tool and makes incredibly bad choices that dismantles the organization for years.
4 – DD gets wrongfully blamed when the guy following him can’t sustain the winning that he created and maintained.
5 – Ignorant fans complain using ridiculous phrases like scorched earth or drained the farm system
6 – The farm systems always provide “DD procured” players to help the replacement GM maintain some semblance of winning despite the many errors in judgment that force the star players of out of town.
Much like Bloom destroyed the remnants of the 2018 roster that won a ring, others have dismantled great teams built by DD. Check out the Tiger roster in 2015.
C – McCann
1B – Miggy
2B – Kinsler
SS – Iglesias
3B – Castellanos
LF – Cespedes
CF – Gose
RF – JD Martinez
DH – Victor Martinez
SP – Verlander, Price, A Sanchez, A simon, S Greene
CL – Soria
All the parts from this great team were stripped by the next GM leaving only Miggy much like Devers being the only one left from the 2018 ring winners.
Don’t blame the architect of greatness, blame the moron who followed and got nothing for all his talent inherited.
There were no CONTRACTS GONE BAD. In DET they were paying the best player in baseball a large salary. The rest of the players were traded and they didn’t have bad contracts much like JD, Nate, Bogey, Mookie, Benny and so many other Red Sox trashed by Bloom that didn’t have bad contracts..
Your version of what DD does/did is a complete fabrication.
Check the facts and hold the hateful opinions next time.
CKinSTL
I’m not sure what you think my agenda is..
I also wasn’t mean to Dombrowski. I essentially said that he is brought in to focus on the short term and he does a great job at it. If you think his approach is sustainable over the long term, that’s fine. I disagree. Teams seem to disagree.. which is why they don’t sustain it.
You say there were no bad contracts.. if you think Miggy’s last contract was a good baseball move, that’s your opinion and you are welcome to it.
SportsFan0000
Again, you are buying the false narrative created by East Coast, Red Sox Media that looked to scapegoat Dombrowski for their terrible business decision to fire Dave Dombrowski.
Expos: Dombrowski built the team with drafts and trades with a penny pinching owner. Two years after Dombrowski left Montreal for Miami, the Expos (with Dombrowski’s players) had the best record in baseball before the baseball strike derailed the Expos march to the World Series).
Dombrowski built expansion Marlins into World Series Champions in record time. Former Marlins Owner Wayne Huzienga (Blockbuster/Waste Management) ordered a fire sale after the World Series Parade.
The players Dombrowski got in trades from the Marlins 1st fire sale along with Dombrowski’s draft picks became the core and foundation players of the Marlins 2nd Championship after Dombrowski had left for Detroit.
Tigers: Dombrowski took over a Tigers team without a winning record for 15? years and a regular last place finishing team, to the World Series just 3-4 years later.
The Tigers lost lost 117 games one year before Dombrowski cleaned up that mess. Dombrowski created the Tigers longest run of contention in the modern era from 2006-2015.( 2 AL Championships, 2 World Series appearances, multiple ALCS appearances, multiple Division titles).
Dombrowski told former Owner Mike Illitch that it was time to retool for the next contending team and started trading 2-3 veterans for younger, up and coming players. Illitch fired Dombrowski and halted the Tigers rebuild delaying it for years that is still affecting the Tigers.
The MISTAKE WAS MADE BY OWNER ILLITCH., not Dombrowski.
If Illitch had let Dombrowski do his job (like he did in Florida and Miami) RETOOL/REBUILD THE ROSTER, then the Detroit Tigers would now be like the Orioles or the Astros and perennial contenders, again.
Mike Illitch leaving Al Avila in charge is what made the Tigers rebuild so long and painful, NOT DAVE DOMBROWSKI.
Red Sox: Dombrowski did what he was paid to do: set record for most Red Sox Wins in a season, won 3 straight Division Titles and a World Series Championship in a short period of time.
Red Sox Ownership LIED TO ITS FANS AND THE MEDIA ABOUT DOMBROWSKI NOT ABLE TO BUILD BACK THE FARM.
Dombrowski’s actions in Montreal, Miami and now Philadelphia prove that
he is a multitalented front office Executive who can implement any business plan that Ownership agrees on including restocking the farm while continuing to win, win, win.
Dombrowski is restocking the farm in Phillie and not trading his top pitching prospects and holding onto his useful, young position player prospects.
And, when Dombrowski does trade top prospects for players, he is getting top rated, young foundational pieces back in trade deals that are low cost, high quality players like catcher O’Hoppe for young CF Brandon Marsh.
Returns on the trades Dombrowski made and his Dombrowski’s draft picks became the foundation and core of the 2nd Marlins World Series Championship (including a young Miguel Cabrera) a few years after Dombrowski left for Detroit.
Dombrowski wins most of his trades and players he acquires, most often, become contributors to runs of pennant contention.
So stop it with the East Coast Media/Red Sox Network BS about Dombrowski.
The facts do not support your false narrative.
Are you employed by the Red Sox and/or Sam Kennedy?!
DarkSide830
Doesn’t matter if Henry isn’t willing to spend.
JoeBrady
That’s the fun part of this. Now some of the focus will return to the budget. Who is going to want the job unless some additional funding is made available? I mean, if we can’t afford to sign Yamamoto, Lee, Monty, etc., our farm will supply some improvement, but not any immediate key players.
soxfan4381
I see far too many people saying we can’t get good draft picks, because we don’t tank like Baltimore did. The Dodgers never tank, the win the division almost ever year and always have a top 10 farm system.Tampa is competitive every year and they have a top farm system. You can win and maintain a good farm system if you draft well. Baseball has the deepest draft in all of sports, which means you can get talent in any round. Mookie wasn’t a first round pick. The problem is the Sox have poor scouting and player development for pitching in particular. I wasn’t impressed with blooms drafting. The farm system has no pitching. Bloom clearly wasn’t the brains in Tampa
StPeteStingRays
Mission accomplished! Thanks, Chaim!
MarlinsFanBase
It’s all Dave Dombrowski’s fault.
Unclenolanrules
Please, oh please hide him from Jim Crane. Please.
xSpecBx
Blooms biggest problem was his half in/half out approach the last two seasons. Now, we have no idea if some of that came from the owners, but you can’t be a buyer and a seller at the same time. In both the last two seasons, the Red Sox were sniffing at a wild card spot and instead of getting reinforcements or selling or pieces on expiring deals that would bring something back, he did neither. After the trade deadline, the team collapsed the last two seasons as the team basically lost the desire to win. I say this as a Yankee fan who live in New England and listens to local radio regularly. Again, no idea what the edict was from above, but I doubt it was this. Last year, they should have sold of Xander and supposedly someone wanted Sale). This year it should have been verdugo, turner, Paxton and anything else not bolted down.