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Yankees, Padres Nearing Juan Soto Deal

By Steve Adams | December 6, 2023 at 5:39pm CDT

5:39pm: The Padres continue to evaluate the medical records of the players involved, tweets Bryan Hoch of MLB.com.

3:10pm: Curry reported on air that King, Thorpe, Brito, Vasquez and catcher Kyle Higashioka are all likely to be included in the trade (video link). The deal still isn’t quite across the finish line but could be wrapped up this afternoon.

2:42pm: The two sides are still sorting out minor details and reviewing medical information, but Heyman tweets that a deal is expected to be finalized sooner than later. Soto and Grisham are both expected to go to the Yankees.

1:47pm: Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets that even after the Yankees’ acquisition of Verdugo, Grisham is still involved in the current iteration of talks between New York and San Diego. He’d be used as a fourth outfielder and late-inning defensive upgrade. His projected $4.9MM salary is a bit steep for that role, particularly when factoring in the associated luxury tax implications, but the Yankees don’t seem too concerned with club payroll at present.

11:20am: The package for Soto is expected to include King and Thorpe, as well as “at least two” other players, per MLB.com’s Jon Morosi, who adds that a deal is indeed close to being finalized.

8:42am: Talks between the Yankees and Padres regarding star outfielder Juan Soto have continued throughout the night, it seems, and the Yankees have “intensified” their efforts to pry Soto away from San Diego, Jack Curry of the YES Network reports. Curry calls a trade “likely,” noting that pitchers Michael King and Drew Thorpe could both be in play. Jon Heyman of the New York Post adds that in addition to Thorpe and King, each of Clarke Schmidt, Chase Hampton, Jhony Brito and Randy Vasquez have all been discussed. Certainly, the Yankees won’t be sending that whole slate of arms, but there’d likely be more to the package than Thorpe and King alone.

A trade sending Soto to the Bronx has been viewed as a possibility for much of the offseason, given the superstar slugger’s projected $33MM salary (via MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz), the Padres’ reported need to scale back payroll (while still adding to a perilously thin rotation mix) and the Yankees’ desire for aggressive and broad-reaching changes on the heels of a disappointing season. Prior reporting on the talks between the two parties have been hung up on the Padres insisting on the inclusion of MLB rotation pieces, most notably including King. That Curry mentions King and Thorpe as possibilities to be included in this deal seems to represent an acquiescence of sorts from the Yanks.

If a deal is indeed completed, Soto would be the second outfielder acquired by the Yankees in as many days. New York pulled of an extraordinarily rare swap of note with their archrivals in Boston last night, landing fellow corner outfielder Alex Verdugo from the Red Sox in exchange for a three-player package. Soto and Verdugo would join Aaron Judge in the outfield, resulting in a major overhaul of a group that was a weak point in the Bronx throughout the 2023 season.

Even with Judge in the fold, Yankees outfielders combined for a dreadful .220/.293/.399 batting line last season. The resulting 90 wRC+ suggests that Yankees outfielders were about 10% below average at the plate even with the 2022 AL MVP’s production included. Subtracting Judge from the equation, Yankees outfielders combined to post a catastrophic .214/.247/.365 batting line on the season.

A Verdugo-Judge-Soto outfield would be far more productive and also substantially reduce the Yankees’ strikeout woes; Verdugo fanned at just a 15.4% rate in 2023, while Soto wasn’t much higher at 18.2%. Both Soto and Verdugo are one-year solutions in the outfield, as both are set to become free agents following the 2024 campaign.

Presumably, the Yankees would deploy Judge in center field regularly for the upcoming season, with Verdugo in left field and Soto in right. The Padres and Yankees had previously discussed including San Diego center fielder Trent Grisham in a Soto package, but Heyman tweets that following the acquisition of Verdugo, Grisham is no longer likely to be a part of talks with the Friars. While manager Aaron Boone can’t formally comment on any potential acquisition of Soto, he did acknowledge to The Athletic’s Brendan Kuty and other reporters just now that the Yankees would be comfortable with Judge playing center field every day this coming season.

Roster Resource already projects the Yankees for a payroll north of $245MM and more than $256MM worth of luxury tax obligations. Soto would push those numbers to around $278MM and $289MM, respectively. The Yankees are already effectively at the second luxury-tax threshold, meaning the penalties they face for incorporating Soto’s salary into the fold will be steeper. As a team paying the luxury tax for a third straight season, they’d pay a 62% tax for exceeding by $20-40MM and a hefty 95% surcharge on the next $20MM spent. With regard to Soto, that’d equate to about $24.5MM of penalties on top of his projected $33MM salary.

Of course, further changes could impact that payroll and roster outlook. The Yankees have been prominently linked to star NPB right-hander Yoshinobu Yamamoto and are viewed as one of the favorites to land him. Even failing that, the Yankees could need to look for outside help in the rotation — particularly if King and/or Schmidt is indeed part of the swap that ultimately nets them Soto. Adding Soto and making a subsequent addition of any real note to the rotation (barring the acquisition of a pre-arbitration arm to plug into the mix) would push the Yankees into the newly created fourth tier of luxury penalization — often referred to as the “Steve Cohen tax” in reference to the crosstown owner of the Mets.

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  1. abc123baseball

    2 years ago

    Verdugo for Grisham, straight up.

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    • JSC Cubbs

      2 years ago

      How about cash considerations to keep the payrolls the same as they were? But yeah, it’s a pretty fair trade.

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      • Simm

        2 years ago

        Yankees are taking on all the cash.

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        • 99CaptainJudge99

          2 years ago

          @Simm- Because of that, you should be taking Schmidt instead of King. You guys are going to love King.

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        • PinstripedPride

          2 years ago

          For real, I’m mad that King is the one to go in this deal. San Diego gets *both* him and Thorpe? I know it’s Soto, but…. sheesh.

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        • KennyF’nPowers

          2 years ago

          If the Yanks don’t work out an extension for Soto, or resign him as a FA in 2025, this is an organization killer. You’ll deplete an already weak Farm System and have nothing to show for it.

          I guess Cashman figures his days are numbered so why worry about the long term future and prospects.

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        • Cora the Destroya

          2 years ago

          They have probably already worked something out with Soto. I don’t think Cashman would do it without a deal in place.

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          @Cora the Explora Sure he would. No one actually thinks Soto is signing an extension.

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        • AgentF

          2 years ago

          They can’t even talk to him about a contract extension until he is traded to them, so nothing is certain.

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        • Cora the Destroya

          2 years ago

          If it is done without a deal, then it is a bad trade. No guarantee he will sign unless Yankees pony up (they have the money). He already declined one of the biggest deals, so his ego is not worth it IMO.

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          You trade for the amount of control he objectively comes with. Anything that happens after is a separate transaction.

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        • Cora the Destroya

          2 years ago

          Well unless they sign him for sure…

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          The whole reason for this trade isn’t because he wouldn’t sign an extension bruh.

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        • JoshHosh

          2 years ago

          I agree that if Soto leaves after 2024 it’s not a great trade in and of itself.

          But the Yankees don’t have a weak farm system, by pretty much every ranking they’re middle of the pack.

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          @JoshHosh What if the Yankees win the World Series in 2024 and Soto wins WS MVP but THEN leaves after 2024? Then was it a bad trade?

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        • The_M4N

          2 years ago

          Hahaha, this is Cashman we are talking about. But if you are correct, they are about to pay $35 mil a year for more than 10 years for a guy that all he does well (albeit very well) is hit. He can’t play CF or LF so that means Judge plays CF? This is just a bad deal all around.

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        • Eatdust666

          2 years ago

          I know you didn’t ask me, but if the Yankees win the World Series in 2024 and Soto wins WS MVP but THEN leaves after 2024, it would be completely worth it.

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        • PinstripedPride

          2 years ago

          The Reds traded for Sonny Gray on the condition that he sign an extension with them, which he did. That can totally be part of negotiations.

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        • mlb fan

          2 years ago

          “They have probably already worked something”..Yeah, because Scott Boras is always so reasonable and team-friendly, right?

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        • JackStrawb

          2 years ago

          @JoshHosh No. Fangraphs for ex has them #24, and it’s a weak 24, close to KC at #27 than to Milwaukee at #21.

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        • JackStrawb

          2 years ago

          @The_M4N In Soto the Yankees will tend to get what they thought (hoped) they were getting in Stanton. It is a ‘bad deal all around.’ Well, except for the Padres, who are getting much more talent (albeit not star prospect talent) than Soto at $33m is worth.

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        • JackStrawb

          2 years ago

          Of course not, but it could be something ridiculous like 16/$480m for the 5-win DH.

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        • Ma4170

          2 years ago

          @josh except fangraphs whose minor league valuations are not good in my opinion. Love them for data on peripherals and such, but not judgment on minor league talent. I know in aug espn had them 15 and baseball america 11, and those are the two i trust more. I think MLB had them 21 and bleacher report 16. Pretty much middle of the pack, not awful by any means.

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        • Killer of Ignorance

          2 years ago

          You should say you HOPE this is a bad deal for NY so you can try to get over your fear of what is coming in 2024.

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        • KennyF’nPowers

          2 years ago

          No chance unless it’s after the Ohtani signing. Soto is a Boras guy and he’s going to want the same and probably more for Soto than Ohtani when he’s a FA in 2025. If Ohtani gets $500 M 10 years Boras will expect $550 10 years for Soto

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        • unpaidobserver

          2 years ago

          Bingo. You cant face the consequences if what youre not there for.

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        • KennyF’nPowers

          2 years ago

          $35 M a year. Nice try. Boras is his agent. Whatever Ohtani gets tack on more. He’s 26 when he hits FA and Boras will play that up and he’ll be the #1 hitter available in FA next year. If Ohtani gets 10 years $450 M, Boras will get at least that and probably $475+ M for 10 years.

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        • Eatdust666

          2 years ago

          Which is larger than the largest extension that he turned down (15/$440m).

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      • User 3044878754

        2 years ago

        Baseball Suspectus has indicated the deal is off

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        • PinstripedPride

          2 years ago

          And who is this wizard that I should trust him? I consider his word “Suspect”

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    • jerseystrongsports

      2 years ago

      Keep Grisham, Florval can hit 200 good center fielder. And not cost more than ML minimum

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      • rocky7

        2 years ago

        Man, the Yankees don’t need another “gold glove” center fielder who can’t hit his weight……..agree….Florial offers the same defense and most probably the same offense…..

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        • Eatdust666

          2 years ago

          So essentially, a more healthy version of Harrison Bader, because he’s also a low average, a low on base guy with a little power.

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        • Cora the Destroya

          2 years ago

          He’s probably a throw in to cut cash for the Padres

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          @Cora the Explora No if the Padres wanted to cut his salary they would have non-tendered him! This is not a difficult concept.

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        • Cora the Destroya

          2 years ago

          Admittedly, I’m not sure I understand all of it…

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          @Cora the Explora If Preller thinks Grisham is worth less than what he is projected to get in arb this offseason he can simply choose. It to tender him a contract. Then Grisham is free to sign with whoever he wants for as much as they will pay him and the Padres owe him him nothing beyond 2023. Preller didn’t do that. So we already know with 100% certainty that he thinks Grisham is worth what he is projected to get in arb and as such, would not see losing him as a good thing.

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      • 99CaptainJudge99

        2 years ago

        Agreed we shouldn’t have to take back Grisham, especially when we have Florial who can play excellent defense in 3 outfield positions.

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    • Niceee

      2 years ago

      You can have Franchy and a bag of balls for Grisham

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    • StudWinfield

      2 years ago

      Only way NY can afford to play Grisham is if they get Soto.

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    • YanksPhan42

      2 years ago

      Grisham couldn’t hit with a snow shovel

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      • Brew’88

        2 years ago

        or maybe he could and that’s not a bad idea I’ll mention it to Shildt

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    • Aaron Sapoznik

      2 years ago

      Per Jon Morosi@jonmorosi: twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/1732449176875589657

      Alex Verdugo is *not* going to San Diego in the Juan Soto trade agreement that is on the verge of being finalized.

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      • Ma4170

        2 years ago

        Yeah that was never a realistic theory.

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      • richardc

        2 years ago

        If I’m the Yankees, I’m already including King and Thorpe, so if they have to add two more players put of the aforementioned group, then anything better than Schmidt and Brito is a pretty sizeable overpay.

        I am not including King, Thorpe, AND Chase Hampton…

        Also, anyone familiar with the Yankees farm system..How does trading away say King, Thorpe, Schmidt, and Brito impact their rotation and pitching depth??

        I cannot imagine that a team that’s struggled with pitching really having a heck of alot more depth after giving up four quality, young pitchers, and one currently.yping stud SP.

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        • Pads Fans

          2 years ago

          4 more players.

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        • Killer of Ignorance

          2 years ago

          Don’t worry about the Yankees. More will be revealed. With already one of the best bullpens in MLB, Cy Young winner Gerritt Cole will anchor the rotation. Rodon was hurt last year and is a good bounce back candidate. Nestor Cortes will be healthy. They are hot on Yamamoto’s trail. Still a long way to spring training so I’m sure Cashman has got plans.

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        • Yanks2

          2 years ago

          Rodon has only had two good seasons. I think his issue isn’t injury but that he can’t deal with the pressure of playing in NY

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        • JoshHosh

          2 years ago

          Great question. And I agree with you on the supposed package for Soto.

          So, while the Yankees did struggle last year with some pitching depth, the majority of their top guys were in A ball or just reaching AA. Guys like Drew Thorpe, Will Warren, Chase Hampton, Richard Fitts (just traded for Verdugo), Clayton Beeter, Zach Messenger, etc. Not to mention guys like Brito and Vasquez who made their debuts.

          I think even if you give up King and Thorpe, as well as another pitcher or two, believe it or not there’s still some decently rated guys who are close.

          The reason they weren’t brought up last year is because they weren’t ready yet. But a lot of those guys will be this year, and I also think that the Yankees must be closing in on Yamamoto as well to be comfortable trading away this much young pitching.

          You can check out their top 30 guys here:

          mlb.com/prospects/yankees/

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        • Pads Fans

          2 years ago

          At least two members of that bullpen will be going to SD. King and Vazquez.

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        • algionfriddo

          2 years ago

          Could well be true about NY pressure, but injuries are a real thing. He should NEVER have been given a long term deal. Cashman is the REAL problem.

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        • Killer Refrigerator

          2 years ago

          “They are hot on Yamamoto’s trail?” So isn’t every team in Major League Baseball. Rodon was hurt last year – to cover up the fact that he isn’t what you think he is… he borders on average at best and his stock will continue to fall in 2024. Rodon’s contract will be a complete bust when it’s all said and done. The Yankees are not getting Yamamoto – you have only Cole to build a rotation around. And that’s a lot of building to do. I bet you were one of those Yankee fans that wanted to “Punch Verdugo in the face.” But now that he’s a Yankee all is forgiven, right?

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        • Mrivers

          2 years ago

          Yeah, unlikely they get in a likely futile bidding war with Cohen over Yamamoto.
          Rotation is thin, with Rodon and Cortes being dice rolls. More is coming.

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        • JoshHosh

          2 years ago

          All indications are that the Yankees are the front runner for Yamamoto, and some sources say it ain’t even close, but sure bud.

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        • mrmackey

          2 years ago

          Says it’s going to be King, Thorpe, Brito and Vasquez. And Higgy who the Yanks don’t really need.

          So they would still have Schmidt, Hampton, and Warren.

          King needs to prove he can be a full time SP, he looked great last year and has been dominant out of the pen when he was there. Can he hold up to a full year as a SP? Unknown. He broke his pitching arm back in July of ’22. Guessing Hal is going to go all-out for 2024 and try and sign Yamamoto who is the surer thing to hold up as a SP/pitch a lot of innings.

          Thorpe is a very good prospect, probably their best SP prospect. Although I have seen a lot of scouting reports pegging him as a mid rotation guy ceiling wise.

          Brito and Vasquez did reasonably well last year but neither was really a top prospect. Both were more effective in multi inning relief roles in 2023 than as SPs. Both flashed a lot of promise but also got roughed up in some of their starts. Still that’s two young/cheap/cost-controlled arms that have already showed something in the majors.

          If the Yankees sign Yamamoto, then you would have him, Cole, Rodon, Schmidt and Nestor. With guys like Hampton and Warren for depth, and maybe they will sign some other depth SP option. Clayton Beeter would be in the mix too, probably as a multi inning relief guy. That could be a tremendous rotation, but there are health ?s around Rodon and Nestor.

          I’m a little surprised the Pads didn’t ask for any of the Yankee OF prospects.

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        • JackStrawb

          2 years ago

          @richardc The Yankees farm is #24 out of 30, and it’s a bad 24:

          fangraphs.com/prospects/farm-system-rankings

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        • Killer of Ignorance

          2 years ago

          Oh please. Rodon is known for his bulldog mentality. Did you dream that up while in the bathroom? You’re way off base there.

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        • Killer of Ignorance

          2 years ago

          Another biased opinion from a Yankee hater. You guys will need psychiatric care when the Yankees get Soto. Fear creeps slowly…

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    • 99CaptainJudge99

      2 years ago

      @abc123baseball- Nah pass on Grisham, I’d rather have Voodoo Verdugo.

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    • Mort Adell

      2 years ago

      If the Cubs want to deal Morel, I’d love to see him in the Bronx.
      Verdugo LF
      Morel CF
      Judge RF
      Take the Soto money and apply it Yamamoto.
      Find a regular 3B who won’t get hurt for 1/2 the season.
      Resign Wandy and maybe IFK for utility.

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      • FrankRoo

        2 years ago

        Morel is not a good outfielder. He’s a second baseman, that’s where his value is with occasional utility work.

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        • JackStrawb

          2 years ago

          In the sense that Morel has been bad every position he plays, yes.

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    • Mantle536

      2 years ago

      Are you insane, abc123baseball? Grisham STINKS!

      At least, Verdugo can hit & he has some significant upside.

      Grisham has ZERO upside; he can field, but he’s about a AA hitter. He’ll make Bader look like Ty Cobb as a hitter.

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    • 99CaptainJudge99

      2 years ago

      This is for all you Padre fans that said”Soto being traded to the Yankees wasn’t going to happen” Enjoy.

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      • Eatdust666

        2 years ago

        And said that getting Verdugo would prevent them from getting Soto. L

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      • Smelly_Cobb

        2 years ago

        I’ll take that haul of pitchers tho!

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      • Habitual Truth Teller

        2 years ago

        You forgot part of that statement judge99

        Soto being traded to the Yankees wasn’t going to happen…..for junk

        Yankees caved in and sounds like they’re giving up both King Thopre Vasquez and Brito. Far cry from where were before with Yankees fan saying you can’t have that.

        So congrats? Padres are getting all they were asking for.

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        • jimbobsjorts

          2 years ago

          Exactly. Most rational Padres fans knew Soto would go if the package was right (and it makes sense too as they won’t be signing him to an extension.). But delusional Yankees fans thought they’d get him for a bag of balls and a signed cap. Seems like Preller got a haul for a guy who was a rental. Will miss Soto, but if the club ends up stronger for it then go ahead. Preller needs to back it up now though.

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  2. User 1939973770

    2 years ago

    lol yankees

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    • Catuli Carl

      2 years ago

      Yankees shipping some of their best young, controllable pitchers for a one year rental of a guy they won’t be able to afford to extend anyway. You love to see it.

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      • Joe says...

        2 years ago

        The Yankees CAN afford him. The question is WILL they spend the money?

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        • Catuli Carl

          2 years ago

          Last time they were under the CBT threshold was 2021, no?

          There’s no way they’re dipping under this year and there’s no way they’re dipping under for several years if they extend him in 2025.

          I know the Yankees have more money than God, but those compounding penalties are going to be astronomical. Especially when they still can’t win the division.

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        • Joe says...

          2 years ago

          I don’t disagree with that Carl. I’m just pointing out they could if they wanted. Personally I don’t know if I want them to sign him long term. He can’t play d, has bottom third in the league sprint speed and below average base running. The back half of that contract sounds like it will go poorly.

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        • toptekjon

          2 years ago

          The Yankees USED TO have “more money than god”. Now they don’t even have more money than the Mets/Cohen.

          Times have changed and the Yankees aren’t the only rich team any more.

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        • Doug

          2 years ago

          Fact check: The revenue of the New York Yankees increased by 36 percent in 2022 over the previous year. In 2022, the revenue of the Major League Baseball side amounted to 657 million U.S. dollars.

          According to a document reviewed by Forbes, the Mets generated revenue of $244 million at their ballpark last season and net income of $127 million, both record highs.

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        • Mort Adell

          2 years ago

          You guys wanna deal Morel? I’d take him in the Bronx.
          Stuff Soto.
          All that for a rental?

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        • Pads Fans

          2 years ago

          The Braves VERIFIED revenue was $576 million. The Blue Jays were not far behind that. Those are the only two teams that we know for sure what their revenue was.

          IF those guesstimates from Forbes are right for the Yankees, then the rest of the league is quickly catching up to them.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 years ago

          The Yankees USED TO have “more money than god”
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          Ahh, the good ole days where, if the EE didn’t sign a FA, my RS would sign anyone. Now we’re #12 in spending.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 years ago

          I doubt the NYY revenue increased by 36% unless it was a one-time payment for something. Attendance increased by 133k. Assuming $100 a head for tickets, merchandise, etc, that is an additional of $13M. Where did the extra $162M come from? Especially considering they had no playoff revenue.

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        • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

          2 years ago

          God actually has a pretty high net worth, more than the Yankees. Have you seen what the Vatican is worth these days?

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        • Brew’88

          2 years ago

          which god?

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        • Aaron Sapoznik

          2 years ago

          I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: “The God I believe in isn’t short on cash, mister.” 🙂

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        • Catuli Carl

          2 years ago

          The Vatican isn’t actually worth as much as you’d think. Someone did a comparison of the Vatican’s “endowment” vs Harvard’s endowment and Harvard absolutely dwarfed the Vatican. something like 50 or 60 times larger than the Vatican’s.

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        • drasco036

          2 years ago

          The Yankees organization makes money and operates in the black. The Mets suckle on Cohens teat and operate in the red.
          Just because your owner is super rich doesn’t mean the team makes money and no owner is going to continuously come out of pocket to pay for the roster.
          Btw, Ohtani must have really not wanted to come to New York, the Yankees bought back the YES network and with him as a draw on a national tv network, their profits would have went through the roof! They could have paid him 700 million and still made money.

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        • Brew88

          2 years ago

          Oh lord won’t ya buy me, a Mercedes Benz

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      • Killer of Ignorance

        2 years ago

        “Yanks won’t be able to extend Soto.” That’s a good one. Keep telling yourself that. It’s about time Hal Steinbrenner loosened the purse strings. His papa, George, must have come to Hal in a dream and told him to quit being such a tight ass and get some power and hitting in that line up. You must have an upset stomach with the Yanks close to trading for Soto.

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        • Catuli Carl

          2 years ago

          I would have an upset stomach if they weren’t shipping some of their best young pitchers for a one year rental of a guy they won’t be able to extend. But as it stands I’m quite pleased.

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        • Yanks2

          2 years ago

          Severino, Hicks, and Bader are all off the books. Those combined salaries are very close to Soto’s salary so yeah they can afford to extend Soto

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        • Catuli Carl

          2 years ago

          I doubt it but I guess we’ll see.

          Craziest part is that this trade won’t give them any advantage over other teams to extend him. He and Boras have been clear that he’s going to test free agency and won’t accept and extension.

          So I guess your only hope is that he some how falls in love with Yankee fans and New York. lol

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        • Yanks2

          2 years ago

          Severino made around 10m
          Bader made about 8m
          Hicks made about 12m

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        • Armaments216

          2 years ago

          They’d get to extend Soto a QO after the season. So after he declines it they’d be the only team that wouldn’t have a penalty for signing him. For whatever small difference that would make.

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        • Yanks2

          2 years ago

          I see your point but I think it does give them an advantage because he may really like it in NYY and the fans may reciprocate kindly. It’s weird though because he doesn’t seem like a Yankee type player with the whole “crotch grab” thing he does at bat. He also seems like he’s only about himself. Yankees like to embrace a team not individuals.

          I have nothing against Soto. Yankees need more players like him. He’s great in clutch situations. Also I wanted to mention Rodon doesn’t and didn’t seem like a Yankee type player either. He’s too introverted and doesn’t seem like the type that could flourish under pressure

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        • Joe says...

          2 years ago

          Not only do Boras clients test the FA market, the Yankees don’t tend to do extensions. Sevy and Hicks were exceptions, not the rule.

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          No one that wants to sign Soto is changing their mind because he has a QO attached. No one.

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          @Yanks2 Padres fans said the same thing when they traded for him and look how that worked out.

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        • Yanks2

          2 years ago

          You forgot to mention Judge, LeMahieu, and Gardner

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          Judge and LeMahieu didn’t sign extensions. They received QO’s and everything. Idk about Gardner.

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        • Armaments216

          2 years ago

          I agree the QO doesn’t change whether any team is in on Soto. But there’s some cost to the QO penalty so in theory that lets the Yankees offer a little more than anyone else.

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        • Yanks2

          2 years ago

          I would consider it still an extension if you’ve been with the team for a few years already and then sign multi-year deals

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          @Yanks2 You are not entitled to your own facts. The literal definition of an extension is it is done before free agency and with only being able to talk to one team. That is the whole point of an extension.

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          @Armaments216 It also means they might not offer as much because they stand to gain a draft pick if they let Soto walk.

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        • Armaments216

          2 years ago

          As a team over the luxury tax limits there’s not much draft compensation, if any, for losing a QO player.

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        • Pads Fans

          2 years ago

          No they won’t. The trade nullifies possibility of QO.

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        • Armaments216

          2 years ago

          @Pads Fan– If Soto is on the roster at the beginning of the season then the Yankees can extend a QO at the end of the season. If the trade occurs after the season begins then no QO can be offered.

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        • PadresWSChamps2025

          2 years ago

          @Pads Fans False. That’s only true if the trade occurs after the first regular season game has started. Padres were allowed to OQ Justin Upton and the White Sox were allowed to QO Jeff Samardzija, for instance.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 years ago

          They released Hicks, so they are stuck with his salary.

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        • melfman1

          2 years ago

          True… but Hicks isn’t off the books for another 2 seasons. We released him, but we still have to pay him.

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        • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

          2 years ago

          It doesn’t seem like Yankee fans are particularly jazzed, giddy, and exuberant over the imminent trade for Soto. Seeing more “meh”.

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        • Eatdust666

          2 years ago

          All because he’s a poor baserunner and fielder, but at the same time he’s an excellent hitter and has elite plate discipline.

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        • SupremeZeus

          2 years ago

          That typically doesn’t bother the Yankees re: premier FAs. Judge, Aroid, CC and more were yanks that shunned extensions hit FA and then signed back in FA.

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        • scjohn92

          2 years ago

          The Yankees are paying Hicks $20 Million to play against them (or not play at all) for the next two years. Yes, the Yankees still have to pay this. Yes, Hick’s salary counts against the CBT luxury tax.

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        • JudgementDay

          2 years ago

          Yankees have to pay Hicks like the Padres have to pay Hosmer for next two seasons.

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        • stymeedone

          2 years ago

          The team that traded for A-Rod, and then signed him to an extension, likes to embrace “team” players. That’s a hoot!

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        • pino

          2 years ago

          Hicks is on the books thru 2026

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          2 years ago

          Pads Fans – No offense, but before you talk down to people by insisting you’re right on everything when you usually aren’t, perhaps you should at least take the time to think first.

          You’re wrong about the QO.
          You’re wrong about the Padres not trading Soto.
          You’re wrong about the Padres not reducing payroll.
          You’re wrong about Hosmer’s salary.
          You’re wrong about relievers not being eligible for the Cy Young.

          I don’t want to keep going because there’s really no need, but for the love of God and all that is holy can you PLEASE get your facts straight before berating others for being wrong when they are clearly not.

          Thank you.

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        • JoshHosh

          2 years ago

          You do realize they’re still paying for Hicks….right? Releasing him doesn’t get them out of his contract lol, he’s still owed that entirely salary.

          Minus the MLB minimum that the Orioles are paying, they still pay him $10 million a year and it still counts towards the luxury tax as well.

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        • JoshHosh

          2 years ago

          No, that’s only for trades made in season.

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        • CityofChampions

          2 years ago

          FPG nailed it!

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      • mrmackey

        2 years ago

        That’s what people said after the Montas trade, and Soto is quite a bit better than Montas. No one was talking up Brito and Vasquez back then. They really were not supposed to be in the 2023 picture until injuries took their toll. They were quality depth pieces and have some upside, but they’re not studs.

        King is a loss, but will be a FA after 2025 and I think Yamamoto is going to be a Yankee. You’re also talking about a guy who broke his arm pitching in 2022 and now will try and be a full time starter for the first time.

        Thorpe might turn in to a good #3 but they have to give up something for a generational talent like Soto, even for just a rental.

        It’s a pretty strong haul but I can live with it, especially if Yamamoto dons the Pinstripes. The Yankees needed a LH bat like Soto in the worst way.

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      • Deleted Userr

        1 year ago

        @Fever Pitch Guy You forgot James Shields to the White Sox for Tim Anderson was a “done deal” with Shields waiving his opt-out clause and the Padres had to send Miguel Diaz back to the Brewers and Giancarlo Stanton, Eric Hosmer and JD Martinez’s opt-out clauses benefited their teams and Luis Campusano’s marijuana charges were reduced to a misdemeanor in November 2020 and Spencer Strider was credited with 2 years of control instead of just 1 for 2022 and Eric Hosmer can’t refuse an outright assignment without forfeiting his remaining salary and Manny Machado wouldn’t have signed with the Padres if they hadn’t signed Eric Hosmer first and Manny Machado said while he was with the Dodgers that he would never sign with a NY team under any circumstances and it is impossible to sign a player you traded and teams can’t sign players to major league contracts for less than 80% of what they made in the prior season and players who were traded the offseason before they became free agents can’t receive QO’s and Lindsey Hill is re-filing her lawsuit against Bauer even though it was dismissed “with prejudice” and the Dodgers deferring Shohei Ohtani’s contract has no bearing on their luxury tax figure and Preller got back a better package for Juan Soto than the one he gave up to get him.

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  3. Habitual Truth Teller

    2 years ago

    Guess Yankees are gonna ask soto to be a two way player cause who the heck is gonna pitch in the rotation?

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    • JPB 4

      2 years ago

      Who says they would be done signing players?

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      • Habitual Truth Teller

        2 years ago

        Are they gonna turn out like Rodon? If so I don’t want em.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          2 years ago

          Refill – There are still NINE free agent starting pitchers ranked in the MLBTR Top 25 Free Agent List. It’s silly to complain this early in the offseason.

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        • stymeedone

          2 years ago

          But can the Yankees afford any of them after adding Soto and his massive salary?

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          2 years ago

          stymee – Yankees are the highest revenue team in MLB at $657M annually, much more than the #2 Dodgers. They can afford it, and they are willing to spend because they want to win.

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    • rocky7

      2 years ago

      This may in fact just point out that the Yankees are going after Yamamoto very hard and think they will not be outbid for his services which would make King a very nice luxury but still a luxury…and Thorpe is still a nice farm piece which isn’t major league tested…..good trades are supposed to hurt a bit both ways…..

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      • PoisonedPens

        2 years ago

        A good team needs to be 7-8 starters deep, not five. One or more is usually on the shelf by the end of spring training (see Rodon/Montas last year)

        Cashman already traded a bunch of pitching prospects for Montas, who was a complete bust even when he was playing, including JP Sears who started 32G and pitched 170 innings to a 2.5 WAR on a horrible team.

        Just tread water and add Soto at the deadline when his value is lower, or after the end of the season when it’s just money.

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        2 years ago

        Rocky – The problem with owners who think they will outbid all is that only one of them will be right.

        I would imagine if the bidding for Yama gets beyond $300M there will be owners dropping out who had insisted they wouldn’t be outbid.

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    • melfman1

      2 years ago

      Cole
      Rodon
      Cortes
      Schmidt
      And probably Yamamoto (or another FA starter)

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  4. towinagain

    2 years ago

    Going to go down as the worst move in Padres history.

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    • brooklyn62

      2 years ago

      Ozzie Smith for Gary Templeton takes the top prize there!

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    • Habitual Truth Teller

      2 years ago

      No that was Wil Myers for Trea Turner.

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      • padrepapi

        2 years ago

        I dunno, trading Carlos Baerga and Sandy Alomar Jr with all of their control for Joe Carter fresh off a .242/.295/.465 season was pretty bad.

        Then you fast forward a year where they trade Joe Carter (who had a 85 OPS+ with SD in his 1 season) and Roberto Alomar to the Jay’s for Fred McGriff and Tony Fernandez.

        McGriff was awesome for a few short seasons, but then proceeded to trade him for nothing that panned out.

        Losing Trea Turner sucked… but managing to give away the Alomar brothers and Carlos Baerga in the matter of one season was a series of brutal moves.

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        • Brew’88

          2 years ago

          Joe Carter didn’t have Jack Murphy Stadium power

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    • JudgementDay

      2 years ago

      Ludwick for Kluber

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        2 years ago

        Vegas – How about Roseanne singing the national anthem.

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    • JRamHOF

      2 years ago

      Mike Clevinger, Greg Allen, and Matt Waldron

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      • Brew’88

        2 years ago

        the Seattle haul for Nola will always be top 10

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    • Dennis Boyd

      2 years ago

      There is a sad and long list of horrible moves by Padres management. I guess that is why Preller still has his job. His failures are just routine, no need to remove him. So much hope last year and now Irma looking bleak again

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    • Catuli Carl

      2 years ago

      What? Trading one year of a player you can’t even afford to extend anyway for some cheap, controllable, very good young pitchers? I think the Padres fleeced the Yankees here.

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      • YourDreamGM

        2 years ago

        I very much like this trade for SD.

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    • 99CaptainJudge99

      2 years ago

      @towinagain- No probably not, might as well move Soto now, then for nothing later. Padres fans will love King. Truthfully I hate parting with him. I would rather give up young outfielder Everson Pereira instead.

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  5. Old York

    2 years ago

    Never a bad time to fleece the Yankees. More focused on buying all the overpriced and overrated players than investing in player development and analytics like the Rays & Astros do.

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    • Begamin

      2 years ago

      hahaha yeah Soto is soooo overrated. get a load of this guy

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      • For Love of the Game

        2 years ago

        See Stanton, Giancarlo.

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        • Habitual Truth Teller

          2 years ago

          Stanton isn’t over rated.

          When healthy he was a masher and serious threat in a lineup

          Unfortunately I think injuries are finally catching up with him at 33.

          Soto is 24 so he’s got time before father time catches up to him.

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        • Begamin

          2 years ago

          did you know that Juan Soto and Giancarlo Stanton are two different people?

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        • iml12

          2 years ago

          The Yankees are going to grab Soto for a bullpen arm/swing man and a borderline top 100 prospect. I don’t think Yankees are the ones getting fleeced. They took advantage of Padres financial situation that Preller orchestrated

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        • Catuli Carl

          2 years ago

          @Begamin Source?

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        • mlb fan

          2 years ago

          Soto’s been “24” for like 6 years now, so it’s anybody’s guess how old he really is.

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        • toptekjon

          2 years ago

          If King is healthy in 2024, he will compete for a Cy Young. He’s absolutely nasty.

          Not some unproven prospect either. Dominant out of the pen for a few years, and looked even better as a starter in the 2nd half of 2023.

          I hate that the Yankees are giving him up for a rental.

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        • iml12

          2 years ago

          He has 8 career starts and has maxed out at 104 innings. Let’s pump the breaks on the Cy young talk. He’s 28 years old with two years of control left.

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        • Pads Fans

          2 years ago

          There is no Cy Young for relievers.

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        • Brew’88

          2 years ago

          14 relievers have won Cy Youngs, including several Padres

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        • YourDreamGM

          2 years ago

          King has a lot of value as is and it’s easy to project a path to being a starter.

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        • Begamin

          2 years ago

          @catuli
          trust me bro

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      • stymeedone

        2 years ago

        Not for your fantasy team he isn’t. Adam Dunn 2.0 has to play the field and run the bases in real life though. His salary will prevent him from being the DH that he’s best suited to be.

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  6. towinagain

    2 years ago

    Padres will get royally screwed in a trade with the Yankees. The Yankess farm is OVERRATED.

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    • JerseyShoreScore

      2 years ago

      Most prospect analysts have the Yankees Farm System as a BOTTOM tier system. Maybe Yankees media and fans hype it, but it is not a strong system.

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      • MurderersRow27

        2 years ago

        The problem with the Yankees’ system is that they have a ton of talent in the lower levels, while some of their bigger prospects have graduated from prospect status. However, according to Baseball America, the Yankees have the 3rd best farm system when it comes to pitching in MLB… and pitching is what the Padres are focusing on. ‍♂️

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        • Simm

          2 years ago

          While padres need pitching they can get that many ways. They need the most value out of this trade. If they do this trade it free’s up money to sign a more free agents and they can flip these prospects for pitching.

          King is still an iffy pitching and Thorpe has a very low ceiling.

          If I’m the padres I holdout until Ohtani signs and opens up more options.

          These Yankees guys are just not that good. Hence why it’s takes 6-7-8 of them. Trash is trash…

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      • YourDreamGM

        2 years ago

        Yankees just lost 3 guys to rule 5 including picks 1 and 2. They apparently have a good enough farm system to trade for Soto. Doesn’t seem like a bottom system. You don’t need a elite or even good fastball to be successful. It would be nice but his change up is nasty.

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    • TexasLeaguer

      2 years ago

      Thorpe would be a huge get

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      • Simm

        2 years ago

        Not really. Fangraphs has Thorpe as a 45fv prospect. He throws 91-92 low ceiling guy.

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        • Ma4170

          2 years ago

          BA has thorpe a 55 and i trust their prospect rankings much more than fangraphs

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        • outinleftfield

          2 years ago

          MLB has him 99 and BA has him 82 in their updated rankings.

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      • Brew’88

        2 years ago

        Thorpe would slot in as the Padres 8th or 9th best prospect

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    • Old York

      2 years ago

      @towinagain

      Right, but prospect ratings is pretty useless.

      Here is the list of offensive players who were never ranked in a BA top 100 list but are in the top 100 fWAR of all hitters to start their career since 1990:

      Jim Edmonds
      Jeff Kent
      Luis Gonzalez
      Brian Giles
      Jason Giambi
      Jorge Posada
      Matt Holliday
      David Justice
      Placido Polanco
      Jeff Cirillo
      John Valentin
      Robinson Cano
      Randy Winn
      Kevin Youkilis
      Rich Aurilia
      Michael Young
      Brian Roberts

      So, mostly garbage players so you must have a point… Not.

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      • Simm

        2 years ago

        Considering the number of players on baseball that’s a small list.

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        • Old York

          2 years ago

          @Simm

          I gave you a sample and didn’t include all the pitchers.

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      • whyhayzee

        2 years ago

        Yes, because prospect ratings don’t take those special vitamins into account.

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        • Old York

          2 years ago

          @whyhayzee

          Prospect ratings are mostly junk.

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        • Eatdust666

          2 years ago

          Exactly, there’s been so many “can’t miss prospects” that flamed out big time.

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      • I give no fox

        2 years ago

        17 players in 33 years is not that good a ratio. How many players graduated to the show in the past 33 years? Several hundred? A thousand plus? You are looking at something under 5-10% that fit your theory. If you want to consider it useless, it would be better to show the failure rate of top 100 prospects. Better for your argument

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        • Old York

          2 years ago

          @I give no fox

          First, as I noted, that’s a sample of hitters that were not top 100 prospects that made it to the bigs and have a good career.

          Second, Scott McKinney did a review back in 2011 on the success rate of top 100 prospects and came to the following conclusions:

          – About 70% of Baseball America top 100 prospects fail.

          – Position player prospects succeed much more often than pitching prospects.

          – About 60% of position players ranked in Baseball America’s top 20 succeed in the majors. (12 out of 20)

          – About 40% of pitchers ranked in the top 20 succeed in the majors. (8 out of 20)

          – About 30% of position players ranked 21-100 succeed in the majors (with the success rate declining over that ranking range from about 36% to about 25%)

          – About 20% of pitchers ranked 21-100 succeed in the majors (with the success rate declining over that ranking range from about 22% to about 15%)

          – The success rate of prospects (both position player and pitchers) is nearly flat and relatively undifferentiated for players ranked 41-100, and especially those ranked 61-100.

          – Corner infield prospects and catchers are the most likely to succeed in the majors, but outfielders, third basemen and shortstops are the most likely to become stars. Second basemen and pitchers are the least likely prospects to succeed in the majors or to become stars.

          – Prospect success rates have not improved much over time and there is little data to support the contention that prospects are more likely to succeed now than they have in the past.

          ——————

          So, if you think prospect ratings of a farm system are a sign that they have great talent, clearly, you’re living in an alternative universe.

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        • I give no fox

          2 years ago

          I consider prospect lists exactly what they are, projections. It’s like investing. Some hit, some don’t. Blue chips tend to do better, but that’s doesn’t mean you can’t hit on a penny stock. Your claim of “useless” is all I was discussing. They are not useless, every team’s scouting department has similar lists. Predicting future performance is hard work, regardless of field. If it were easy, we would all be billionaires.

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        • Pads Fans

          2 years ago

          What is your definition of fail and succeed?

          82.6% of BA top 100 prospects since they started with rankings have not become a 2.0 WAR player in their careers. 97.2% never put up a 4.0 WAR season in their careers 77.3% made it to the majors.

          So really need to know those definitions to judge the veracity of your claims

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        • Old York

          2 years ago

          @Pads Fans

          You can check out the article I’m referencing… or you can just rant about nothingburgers…

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        • outinleftfield

          2 years ago

          I’m confused. You didn’t link to an article, you only referenced a Scott McKinney article from a blog in February 2011. What would have been helpful is if you included his definitions of failure and success. Guess you would rather attempt to hurl insults instead. .

          Here is that article for those that are interested in his methodology. royalsreview.com/2011/2/14/1992424/success-and-fai…

          The most recent article about BA’s rankings was by Kyle Glaser and the numbers Pads Fans quoted are Glaser’s with 11 more years of data. Glaser used 2.0 WAR career per 162 games as definition of success or failure. That is MLB average. McKinney used 1.50-2.49 WAR as definition of success. You do need to have a BA subscription to read it, so I will leave it up to you to search for it.

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        • Pads Fans

          2 years ago

          You reference a nearly 13 year old article? Seriously? Then come back at me with a failed attempt at an insult because you are too lazy to read what his methodology was and include that in the book you wrote on this thread?

          It was a simple question and not a nothingburger. It was the crux of the matter.

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        • Pads Fans

          2 years ago

          Thank you OILF. That is exactly the article I am referencing.

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          Pads Fans and outinleftfield are the same guy on two different accounts!!!!!!!

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        • CityofChampions

          2 years ago

          lol

          I remember when the Pads payroll constraints were “made up by Kevin Acee”

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        • SDHotDawg

          2 years ago

          @Old York…
          Every couple of years I have had to post the hard reality of “prospects,” draft picks, and prospect “rankings.” No matter which source I link, certain know-it-all (idiots) still try to argue about it. For example, Pads Fans seems to be referencing an old MLB.com article, but he didn’t read the footnotes. Otherwise, he’d know that his 77% number of “prospects who make the Majors,” includes every freaking player who had even one appearance in September before disappearing into obscurity.

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        • outinleftfield

          2 years ago

          Pads Fans just said he is referencing the Kyle Glaser article. Also he comment from York and by Pads Fans were referencing top 100 prospects. But go ahead and choose being a jerk instead of actually reading the comments.

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        • SDHotDawg

          2 years ago

          I know exactly what they were referencing. As far as the article, do you read English well enough to comprehend the qualifying clause, “seems to be …?”

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          Call him out for bringing up what he said from his other account Dawg.

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        • SDHotDawg

          2 years ago

          @thelegend …
          There’s so much BS to choose from, I can’t decide!

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        • outinleftfield

          2 years ago

          Do you read English well enough to read when he said that is EXACTLY the article I am referencing regarding the Glaser article. You did post after he had already answered my post. Pay attention.

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        • SDHotDawg

          2 years ago

          @Brian…
          Yep. According to PadsFans, Websoul, and the Ryan alter-ego, OutInLeft, it was all “LIES.” Lies that included:

          1) the Padres had to cut payroll
          2) the Pads lost money when they lost their TV deal when Bally went bankrupt (yep, Websoul actually argued they MADE more money!!)
          3) MLB had concerns about their debt ratio
          4) that there’s “no such thing” as Accounts Receivable in MLB
          5) the Padres $50M loan for short-term expenses is a “normal, everyday thing!” Even though they wanted to borrow $100M, but MLB would only allow $50)

          Yup, no matter how often those things are reported, or by which media, they are all “lies!” I could point out a dozen more, but those clowns don’t deserve that much of my time. What they really deserve is scorn.

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        • SDHotDawg

          2 years ago

          @outinleft …
          Are you still a Wall Street CPA this week? Or, do you still claim to be a Math major and “professional” statistician, like last year?

          LOL!!! You’re pathetic, dude.

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          @SDHotDawg and James Shields to the White Sox for Tim Anderson was a “done deal” with Shields waiving his opt-out clause and the Padres had to send Miguel Diaz back to the Brewers and Giancarlo Stanton, Eric Hosmer and JD Martinez’s opt-out clauses benefited their teams and Luis Campusano’s marijuana charges were reduced to a misdemeanor in November 2020 and Spencer Strider was credited with 2 years of control instead of just 1 for 2022 and Eric Hosmer can’t refuse an outright assignment without forfeiting his remaining salary and Manny Machado wouldn’t have signed with the Padres if they hadn’t signed Eric Hosmer first and Manny Machado said while he was with the Dodgers that he would never sign with a NY team under any circumstances and it is impossible to sign a player you traded and teams can’t sign players to major league contracts for less than 80% of what they made in the prior season and players who were traded the offseason before they became free agents can’t receive QO’s and Lindsey Hill is re-filing her lawsuit against Bauer even though it was dismissed “with prejudice.”

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        • SDHotDawg

          2 years ago

          @legendary …
          Like I said, plenty to choose from. I usually only go after them when they make up their own “facts,” and then attack other folks for calling them out or just asking questions. I’ve seen them call people liars (and worse) just for using actual facts and data to counter an argument. When they (PadsFans, Websouldouche) know they’re caught, they make a long, insulting post, and mute the “offender” who dared question their “expertise” or BS stories. Ryan just keeps arguing and name-calling, usually making up some story about his education and background.

          They deserve scorn. But — it can be entertaining to make them dance!
          😉

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    • Catuli Carl

      2 years ago

      Nah, King is a legit stud. He was 4th in BR WAR for the Yankees last year as a reliever.

      2.75 ERA
      127 SO
      158 ERA+
      3.97 SO/W

      Over 104 innings.

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      • Old York

        2 years ago

        @Catuli Carl

        3.09 kwERA and GBkwERA of 3.03 suggests he’s doing well as a pitcher. Not ACE level but decent for a relief pitcher. These stats are what he can control.

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        • Catuli Carl

          2 years ago

          What in the world is GBkwERA?

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        • Old York

          2 years ago

          @Catuli Carl

          tht.fangraphs.com/kwera-the-starting-point-for-pit…

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    • Pads Fans

      2 years ago

      I would guess that is why the Padres are asking for 4 players from the Yankees MLB team and only 2 of their top 100 prospects.

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      • Jbigz12

        2 years ago

        @Padsfans

        We’ll need to go back and review how off you were on your trade package when this is finalized. Unless it’s Volpe and Dominguez—you’re gonna be way off the mark.

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        • Pads Fans

          2 years ago

          Why? Explain your claim.

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    • 99CaptainJudge99

      2 years ago

      @towinagain-Not really. You’ll end up investing in a Michael King jersey. If it doesn’t work out for him as a starter, no worries he’s a shutdown reliever.

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      • Pads Fans

        2 years ago

        How often do people buy middle reliever jerseys? About as often as you make sense.

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  7. mlb fan

    2 years ago

    Being desperate is only gonna make the Yankees give up the farm. I would slow play the Pads, because I really don’t think that many teams want to give up major assets for a 1 yr rental.

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    • rocky7

      2 years ago

      The farm is still the farm………players who look great in AAA might fall flat on their face in the majors…..

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      • 1984wasntamanual

        2 years ago

        Or become productve MLB pieces….

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        • rocky7

          2 years ago

          Wow, did you think of that one all by your self?

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      • Pads Fans

        2 years ago

        This trade involves at least 4 players off the Yankees 26 man roster.

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    • towinagain

      2 years ago

      Desperate, for a generational talent? Imagine that.

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      • mlb fan

        2 years ago

        Last time I checked “generational” Position players had 5 tools, not 1 good tool and four sub par tools. Decent hitter, but somewhat one dimensional.

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        • Simm

          2 years ago

          The fact that you said decent hitter makes all of your other point void.

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        • Brew’88

          2 years ago

          mlb fan. Ted Williams was 2 tool and generational

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        • towinagain

          2 years ago

          Than please, pass. Oh he sucks while in trade negotiations, he becomes a Yankee and he’s Babe Ruth. Clowns

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        • mlb fan

          2 years ago

          I’ve always said Soto is a plus hitter, but if he goes to NY he better do more than walk, because he’s gonna cost you -20 runs with his poor defense, bad relay throws and numerous baserunning blunders. In an excellent defensive outfield he’s a DH.

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        • mlb fan

          2 years ago

          “Ted Williams was 2 tool”..I only comment on players I’ve seen play personally (at least on tv)and I’m not quite old enough to have seen Ted Williams play. But even by your own point, 2 is TWICE as good as 1. 1 tool = DH in waiting.

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        • Brew’88

          2 years ago

          I watched Soto play 162 games this year and his defense (for a LFer) didn’t cost the team 10 runs. He’s only slightly below average, not the worst fielder of all time.

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        • towinagain

          2 years ago

          Do me a favor, talk your fanbase out of trading for him, please. We want to keep him in SD.

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        • YanksPhan42

          2 years ago

          Guess you’re forgetting it’s a ONE YEAR deal. Pads had ZERO prayer of resigning him because your team can’t balance a check book and already bought several other high end players. Now you have no pitching! LOL But hey, continue to show your ignorance and mock the Yankees…..because your franchise has had sooooo much more success.

          Stop crying and wait to see what the return is. Then blindly cry more before you go back to homeroom.

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        • Aaron Sapoznik

          2 years ago

          Juan Soto is a DH in a perfect baseball world. That’s not happening in the Bronx with Giancarlo Stanton around. That said. Soto might be a Gold Glove candidate compared to Eloy Jimenez and more importantly has managed to stay healthy roaming the outfield corners throughout his 6 year MLB career.

          Note: I believe the Yankees are pushing hard now for a Soto deal and willing to overpay knowing that the Cubs and especially the Blue Jays could be prime suitors if they lose out in the impending Shohei Ohtani derby decision. 🙂

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        • mlb fan

          2 years ago

          Not the worst ever clearly, but it takes him forever to get the ball to the cutoff man. I watch about 5-6 teams closely and probably saw the Pads about 70 times last year. Thanks to the late owner Seidler I now watch the Pads regularly when 5 yrs ago I found them boring and only saw them when I’m watching the Dodgers play them.

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        • 920kodiak

          2 years ago

          After seeing him almost every game in Washington, I came away with the same feeling. Better than when he first broke in. He is slow, though.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 years ago

          Last time I checked “generational”
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          Last I checked, “generational” referred to the best of their generation. That’s certainly not Soto.

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        • 99CaptainJudge99

          2 years ago

          Now impress us, go sign Bellinger!!!

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        • Pads Fans

          2 years ago

          The Yankees are going HARD after Soto because they already lost out on Ohtani. With season tickets sales crumbling after an 82-80 season and 14 years since the last WS visit, the Yankees are desperate to make a huge splash that will sell tickets. Soto is their only chance at that.

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        • Pads Fans

          2 years ago

          Where will Judge play then? DH?

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        • Cam

          2 years ago

          Funnily enough, the Pads were also 82-80 last year, and haven’t been to the World Series in 25 years. if the Yankees are desperate, what does that make the Padres?

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        • Simm

          2 years ago

          Do you think there is the same expectations of the padres as the Yankees?

          Get real

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        • 99CaptainJudge99

          2 years ago

          Centerfield which he’s done before.

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  8. Brew88

    2 years ago

    This is Preller honoring Seidler?

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  9. PutPeteinthehall

    2 years ago

    One man will not cure a team with a collective lineup that rated below league average. Not only are they giving up players and prospects they still are going to be paying Soto a record last year of eligibility arb salary. Rumored to be 33m. All for a one season rental for a team not expected to do much even if they get into the postseason in 2024. Bad move.

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      2 years ago

      Narvick – The odds of Stanton rebounding to at least last year’s level are very good. Combine that with (hopefully) a full season of Judge and Rizzo, you’ve got a decent offense with Soto. And who knows, they may even sign Belli and trade Dugie.

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      • 1984wasntamanual

        2 years ago

        By last year, do you mean 2022? Because 2023 Stanton put up a wRC+ of 89. I’m also not sure why you think an aging, injury prone player would be likely to rebound vs. continuing to decline.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          2 years ago

          wasn – Yes, last year is 2022. He’s not gonna have an OPS in the 6’s again like he did this year.

          As for your last sentence, it’s because I’m not an ageist who believes every player is done just because he’s 33 and has had some health issues.

          You know who else had a down season at age 33 after experiencing some health issues? David Ortiz. He had the worst season of his career in 2009.

          Now go look and see what he did from 2010-2016 between Age 34 and Age 40.

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      • JPR

        2 years ago

        The odds. Which odds are those? The odds that suggest that the older a brittle player gets the more likely he is to rebound to earlier levels of performance? I’m not familiar with those odds.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          2 years ago

          JPR – The odds that a guy who has put up a .891 OPS over the first 13 years of his career isn’t gonna suddenly become a sub-.700 OPS hitter for the rest of his career.

          Just TWO YEARS AGO he hit 35 homers with an .870 OPS and you want to write him off already? The thought process, or I should say lack thereof, is mind-boggling.

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      • al_pooholes

        2 years ago

        Dugie is Verdugo? We don’t know him or love him yet please use full names.

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        • Brew’88

          2 years ago

          because you can’t force love

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          2 years ago

          poo – He identifies as Dugie, therefore we must abide by it.

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      • Mrivers

        2 years ago

        Why are the chances good?
        He’s getting older, chasing more, whiffing more.

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    • kripes-brewers

      2 years ago

      Yeah but Soto followed by Judge and Stanton? That’s pretty cool! Gotta admit…

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      • JoeBrady

        2 years ago

        Almost as good as having Soto, Tatis, Machado & Bogaerts in the lineup.

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  10. TradeAcuna

    2 years ago

    The Braves should sneak in and trade Ozuna and Elder to the Yanks for King.

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  11. Jason Hanselman

    2 years ago

    Not sure how they can “intensify” their effort when they don’t even have Clint Frazier and Miguel Andujar anymore. Literally nowhere to go.

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    • mlb fan

      2 years ago

      Clint Frazier, also known as “Mr. Untouchable”.

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      • PoisonedPens

        2 years ago

        “Legendary bat speed!”

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        • For Love of the Game

          2 years ago

          Wasn’t Frazier spotted at a corner recently with a spray bottle and newspaper offering to clean windshields?

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        • mlb fan

          2 years ago

          I’m pretty sure that Clint Frazier was my server at a recent “Dennys” visit. It was either him or his identical twin.

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    • rocky7

      2 years ago

      A little old already don’t you think…..

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      • 1984wasntamanual

        2 years ago

        Definitely not.

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        • rocky7

          2 years ago

          Yeh, it is….just like the Refsnyder comments who actually is playing a ver serviceable time with the Red Sox……you trolls couldn’t get enough of stupid comments about him either…….

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    • Al Bundy 21

      2 years ago

      That line was funny 4 yrs ago. Time to move on bud!

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      • Jason Hanselman

        2 years ago

        It will continue to be funny forever because of how delusional the fanbase is for that club and how the media carries their water. If you cannot see it then you are probably too close and a bit too sensitive.

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        • YanksPhan42

          2 years ago

          Yeah, because no other teams have young kids that flame out, right? You obviously just started watching baseball last week. Wow.

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        • YourDreamGM

          2 years ago

          Once they flame out their fans stop offering them in delusional trades. Yankees fans were still trading Andujar as the headliner for Reynolds a month before the Pirates claimed him on waivers.

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    • Deleted Userr

      2 years ago

      Or future Hall of Famer Rob Refsnyder.

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  12. LordD99

    2 years ago

    Has the feeling of being inevitable.

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    • Seamaholic

      2 years ago

      Certainly what NYY is trying to convey. Not sure if the Padres feel that way. They haven’t really weighed in. Padres beat reporters are very noticeably absent from the Twitter melee.

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      • PoisonedPens

        2 years ago

        Serious question: how many regular, full-time Padres beat reporters are there?

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        • Simm

          2 years ago

          They have at least 3 that report nearly daily.

          This is really mainly driven by one guy. None of the national media is saying what he is.

          Also was saying this last night and nothing.

          The bottom line is if you want Soto the Yankees are going to have to meet the padres ask.

          The padres are actually better waiting on Ohtani. He will open up more options.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          Dude he’s about to be traded. Quit acting like the Padres run things.

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        • Simm

          2 years ago

          They do run things, if he is traded which is very likely that means the Yankees caved.

          A couple of days ago the Yankees wouldn’t give king or Thorpe. Now they are giving both plus plus.

          Yankees are giving the padres everything they wanted and crowd was too much days ago.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          King and Thorpe equals Padres victory?

          That’s not what you said a couple days ago champ.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 years ago

          The bottom line is if you want Soto the Yankees are going to have to meet the padres ask.
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          Same as the Padres will have to take whatever is offered if they want to trade Soto. No team has to trade someone and no team has to acquire someone.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 years ago

          A couple of days ago the Yankees wouldn’t give king or Thorpe.
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          Unless you are talking with Cashman or Preller, that is pure conjecture.

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        • YanksPhan42

          2 years ago

          Some of these guys have obviously never been in sales. Never occurred to them that teams will say, “absolutely no way” on some guys….so when they finally “give in” and offer them, it’s perceived that they are diamonds. It’s sales 101 but the Cali nit wits don’t get it….and still dumb enough not to realize they have to sell the guy for a reason

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          Cali nitwits lol. I have lived on both coasts so I understand what you are saying. I prefer the west coast but yeah when it comes to business the east coast is where it’s at.

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        • Simm

          2 years ago

          Or they could have just said yes to start with. Since it looks like the deal is about the same.

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        • AL B DAMNED

          2 years ago

          DEAL, OR NO DEAL? Padres have a loan payment due!!

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        • PoisonedPens

          2 years ago

          And nine bazillion more payments to Manny Machado!

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  13. acoss13

    2 years ago

    I wonder if Verdugo ends up going to San Diego since they still want to be competitive and Verdugo would be much cheaper.

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    • Simm

      2 years ago

      No the padres don’t need him. One year left, 9m, league avg and bad teammateZ. So no no no no. I’d rather stick Merrill out there for near free.

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    • JerseyShoreScore

      2 years ago

      Verdugo is an overpaid platoon player, who doe not have the glove for CF or the power for a corner OF spot. He closer to being a non-tender player than a trade asset.

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      • Seamaholic

        2 years ago

        Ok you go nontendering 27 year old 2 win players, I’ll pass.

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        • Simm

          2 years ago

          Padre nearly did that to Grisham. Grisham is a 2 war player getting 5m half of Verdugo.

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      • butch779988

        2 years ago

        Not a smart post.

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    • Collind91

      2 years ago

      Send Padres Spencer Jones too please!

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    • Deleted Userr

      2 years ago

      Why would the Padres trade Soto for another rental outfielder who isn’t as good that’s a terrible argument!

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      • mlb fan

        2 years ago

        “Why would the Padres trade Soto for another outfielder”..How about to save 25M+. Cutting payroll is the reason they almost have to move Soto.

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          @mlb fan It doesn’t save them any money once you take into account the extra money the Padres will have to spend to offset the drop off in production from Soto to Verdugo.

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      • Joel P

        2 years ago

        Because Verdugo doesn’t make 30 million a year. That’s why.

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          @Joel P You missed the part where the Padres will have to spend even more than the difference in Soto and Verdugo’s salaries to offset the difference in production.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          It’s not about equaling production its about filling all the holes on the team. The Padres can’t do that and also pay Soto that’s the motivation for a deal here. You don’t seem to understand that.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 years ago

          Padres will have to spend even more than the difference in Soto and Verdugo’s salaries
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          That’s a bet I’d take,

          Just for the sake of discussion, if Verdugo + Snell cost the same as Soto, I’d bet that their combined WAR will exceed Soto’s.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          Verdugo and Snell will cost more than Soto. But that’s not the point. The Padres didn’t trade Soto in order to sign Snell they have multiple needs not just a need for 1 pitcher. They are going to use that money, probably not all of it, on the rest of the rotation and pen.

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          @JoeBrady Verdugo would have more trade value than Soto on his own if that were the case.

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          @Joel P They can’t do that and also pay Verdugo either then.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          Verdugo makes what 10 million? They can take the other 20 million and buy a couple starters. That’s clearly the plan. Is the team going to be as good as it was last year on paper? Nope sure won’t. But at least it will be a team.

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          @Joel P If they are doing that they aren’t going to make the playoffs so no point in taking Verdugo in the trade. Just let the Yanks keep him and get another prospect *cough* Dominguez *cough* *cough*

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        • Simm

          2 years ago

          So they can buy a couple of starters for 20m? Like who…when Lynn and Gibson are getting 12m, 20m doesn’t buy much.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          So the Padres can’t win with a 250 million dollar payroll so they might as well stop trying to win at all?

          That’s certainly a hot take.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 years ago

          They need 3 SPs. Part of the Soto trade probably gets them King or Schmidt. The money saved will go to a 2nd SP.

          Theoretically, it will be King (or Schmidt) + Verdugo + a FA SP for Soto + Grisham. The savings could also be split up between a lesser SP + Lee.

          But the net of this will be positive for the Padres. That’s a wager I’d make.

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        • CityofChampions

          2 years ago

          I don’t hate the idea either, Joe.

          I don’t believe that Seidler’s family was ever going to spend the way Peter did. If they weren’t willing to go up any higher on the payroll—you had to go into the season with half of a rotation & Soto. OR you do this and give the team a better longer term outlook.

          I like Thorpe(who I’m high on) plus King & 2 other SP options. It’s good value if you actually consider what Soto should’ve been worth on a 1 year deal @ that rate.

          Pretty hilarious to see all the ridiculousness of the trade packages that were floated around in the comments though. Lots of back tracking!

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        • JudgementDay

          2 years ago

          Trading Soto will free up money to spend on Lee and other parts to make the lineup more balanced than top heavy

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  14. King Floch

    2 years ago

    Padres about to fleece the Yankees if they get King+ for 1 year of Soto at $30+ million, you love to see it.

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    • Digdugler

      2 years ago

      King is good but only 2 years left so if that is the headliner for Soto, its not bad.. Depends on what else, and maybe they can throw some salary back if they add more prospects.

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  15. Wheeler Dealer

    2 years ago

    Yankees just keep doubling down but at least they are trying

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  16. showmebb

    2 years ago

    If they keep Verdugo, where does everyone play? Judge in center?

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    • Niceee

      2 years ago

      Verdugo has played about 180 games in cf over 5 years, not great but I’d guess he and judge switch off to some degree till Dominguez is back

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    • Eatdust666

      2 years ago

      Judge would be in center because Soto can’t play there, nor has he ever.

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  17. Robrock30

    2 years ago

    Soto is a Game Changer for the Yankees who will probably lock him down at the age of 25.

    Then make the play for Yamamoto.

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    • Aaron Sapoznik

      2 years ago

      MLB recently implemented a new CBT fourth tax level tier, nicknamed “the Cohen Tax.” It starts at $290 million with a rate of 80% for first-time offenders, 90% for second and 110% for third.

      If the Yankees sign Soto long term and also add Yamamoto they might need to add a fifth tier and call it the “Yankee Tax.”

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      • Robrock30

        2 years ago

        What is the value of the Yankees? They can afford this as the talent will increase their revenue and value. 2009 was a long time ago.

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  18. vikingbluejay67

    2 years ago

    Gotta believe Soto could RAKE at Yankee Stadium. But do you pay the Padres price?

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  19. Austinmac

    2 years ago

    King has a very brief period of starting. His long term health would be a concern with me. He was very impressive in his eight starts showing very good stuff.

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    • Simm

      2 years ago

      Yeah he is a big risk.

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  20. sosaspelledbackwardsisasos

    2 years ago

    In true Yankees fashion… every other GM is playing chess and Cashman continues to play checkers.

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  21. One Bite Hotdog

    2 years ago

    Cashman screaming WE’RE THE YANKEES! WE’RE THE YANKEES! during negotiations, qualifies as “intensified”.

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    • Simm

      2 years ago

      Hahah

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  22. 10centBeerNight

    2 years ago

    Cashman feeling the heat of the WFAN 3AM caller. They had better lock him up or an already middling farm will be a dystopian wasteland

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  23. TexasLeaguer

    2 years ago

    If they Yankees give up king and Thorpe, and Soto doesn’t sign long term….. Lol!

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  24. Lefty_Orioles_Fan

    2 years ago

    You can almost hear the Evil Emperor of the Yankees telling Darth Vader that he is Most Displeased!!!!

    Then in the background Brian Cashman saying…. WE SHALL REDOUBLE our efforts!!!!

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  25. JV

    2 years ago

    Judge and Stanton will both be on the IL by Memorial Day, so they’re going to need OF/DH bodies! Soto is pretty ham handed in the field but that bat is a nuclear weapon. Yanks should roll the dice and then sign him to 12/550!!!

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    • JPR

      2 years ago

      Soyou’re going to pay Soto more than you pay Judge?

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      • mlb fan

        2 years ago

        A large percentage of Soto’s “legend” is MSM driven. Guys like Judge, Betts, Acuna and Freeman are literally TWICE as good as Soto but get half the media hype.

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        • Brew’88

          2 years ago

          Most of the Soto hype is because of how well he’s hit (mature bat tools) at a young age, and he’s been on the trade market a few times already. That type of will lessen when the next young phenoms arrive, and after Soto signs a long term deal somewhere. And I don’t know too many knowledgeable baseball people who hype Soto more than Acuna in terms of who’s the better baseball player. Imagine if Acuna were on the market? MLBTR would flip out with twice-daily rumors ad naus

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        • mlb fan

          2 years ago

          Half of Soto’s media hype is still quite a bit of hype imo. Many of the guys from Latin & South America, it’s anyone’s guess how old they really are. It almost seems like Soto has been 24 or 25 for like 6 years now.

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        • dan-9

          2 years ago

          No, his birthday’s always been listed as 10/25/98, and we’ve known how old he is every year he’s been in the big leagues. You could have just looked that up.

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      • rocky7

        2 years ago

        Judge is smart enough to realize that whether its this year, next or the the year afterwards, some ballplayer, and not necessarily a player who brings what he does to the Yankees, will usurp the yearly average salary/years on the contract that he signed last season……that’s just the way of MLB…….and of course the players union and agents like Boras…..

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      • filihok

        2 years ago

        JPR

        “Soyou’re going to pay Soto more than you pay Judge?”

        He’s worse. But younger. So, yes. You’d expect him to produce more during the contract, so you pay him more

        This concludes Contracts 102

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  26. JSC Cubbs

    2 years ago

    Intensifying talks sounds like Yankees pushing for a yes. Preller should take em to the cleaners the way the hype train reporting is going.
    And the way Soto and agent are playing it, both teams chances of signing him next offseason will be unaffected. Padres may end up with a slate of pitchers AND 2025 Juan Soto.

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    • Brew’88

      2 years ago

      @JSC if the Pads make a go at signing Soto in 2025 (and have the $ to do so), then there’s no point in letting him go now for a few low- to mid-level prospects. Without Soto they won’t be as good in 2024

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      • JSC Cubbs

        2 years ago

        If it were a few I’d agree, but 6-8 prospects, and a guy or two you can put in the rotation right now, is pretty valuable.

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        • Brew’88

          2 years ago

          @JSC. What I don’t get is how everyone is saying the teams are a good fit. The Yanks need to strengthen their farm, not deplete it furtherr. And the Pads (according to ownership public statements all last month) are still in win-now mode and already have plenty of prospects anyway. There are other ways for the Pads to pick up a #5 starter and that is what the Yanks seem to be offering as a cornerstone of the trade.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          The Padres are still in win now mode. That’s why they are getting King. But win now mode still requires a budget sometimes.

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        • SDHotDawg

          2 years ago

          @brew …
          The “good fit” narrative is largely coming from New York based baseball media who really wanted Soto.

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        • outinleftfield

          2 years ago

          If they were in win now mode, they would want someone that is not just a reliever/swingman like King. They need 3 starters including a TOR to pair with Musgrove and not one of the players they got in the trade is a starter, let alone a TOR starter.

          Not only that, but they are left with just one OF, Tatis. There is no one on the roster or in their farm system that can take either Soto or Grisham’s place and they are not certain to sign Lee. Nor is Lee a sure thing. He will have a steep learning curve.

          Add to that the fact that they just gave up 8 WAR in two players and got back 4.

          This trade in no way helps the Padres compete in 2024.

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  27. fba0017

    2 years ago

    Not a Yankees fan but wonder how they always think you need superstars to win. Their mentality has been bad for years with that attitude. They will gouge farm system for them. They have a big budget should use it smarter than they have.

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    • YanksPhan42

      2 years ago

      I agree,….and i AM a Yankees fan!

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  28. jbryant0693

    2 years ago

    Yanks going for another Giancarlo contract, x2 this time.

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  29. Tom the ray fan

    2 years ago

    Stanton for Soto straight up? Or do they have to give up the farm with Frazier, Andujar and Bird? Maybe even Delvi Garcia in a 4 for 1 swap?

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    • Juggy

      2 years ago

      A lot of you bums, keep on, pulling the Frazier and Andujar card. Get over it … It’s stale already that was like 4 years ago. Move on Dopey. Post something of substance..

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      • Tom the ray fan

        2 years ago

        Seems like it really bothers you…guess you were disappointed they all never amounted to anything of “substance” :/

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        • rocky7

          2 years ago

          Stick to rooting for your team….he’s right, tired of hearing about Frazier and Andujar…..like the Rays never had players who didn’t pan out……not every move the Rays make is touched in gold…….how’s that place you guys call a stadium working for you……..

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        • Tom the ray fan

          2 years ago

          Am I over here claiming the Rays are the greatest franchise ever? Our biggest strength is the reason we never win a WS, the goal is to competitive which is frustrating. Sorry but I live in the NY Market and all I heard for years was how “great” all those prospects were and how much trade value they have. Guess I really hit a soft spot here. Talk about sensitive…

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      • YourDreamGM

        2 years ago

        It was a year and 4 months ago. They only stopped when Andujar was no longer on the team. Since it has been GT.

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    • Brew’88

      2 years ago

      a farm of chickens and hens, no beef

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    • YanksPhan42

      2 years ago

      I forgot ALL of the Rays minor leaguers come to the show as all stars! Oh wait, they flame out too but nobody cares because you draw 12 fans per night……and 9 of them are from NY.

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  30. drasco036

    2 years ago

    Yankees are already 20 million over the luxury tax and are going to add another 32-33 million and still need pitching?

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    • Niceee

      2 years ago

      The yankees can afford it, if they want to

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    • Simm

      2 years ago

      Lucky they make bank

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    • rocky7

      2 years ago

      Tax….smax…..and which ball clubs out there don’t need pitching…whether that’s in the Winter Meetings, Spring training, or at the trade deadline….every club is always looking for pitching…..

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    • jbryant0693

      2 years ago

      They suddenly need A LOT more pitching after that trade.

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  31. MarkoRock68

    2 years ago

    When you consider Soto will get +-30m and it is for only 1 year , King AND Thorpe seem like a big overpay. Unless the Yanks were given a window to extend him long term.

    As a Jays fan I am glad talk of Soto to the Jays seems to have cooled if the asking price is that high.

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      Extension doesn’t improve the trade return. Just means they paid 400 million for a dh.

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  32. dennisv23

    2 years ago

    Friendly non Yank fan here, if you get the opportunity to get Soto, you grab him!
    Rizzo and Judge will embrace him in that clubhouse and that stadium should help contribute to healthy offensive numbers for Soto.
    Those are some quality prospects to give up, especially King IMO, but to get good you gotta give good.

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  33. bhambrave

    2 years ago

    I would really love to see Soto batting second behind Acuna for the Braves, but that’s just not Anthopoulos’ MO. It would be insane, though.

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    • Brew’88

      2 years ago

      braves could make that happen by sending Strider to Pads in exchange for Soto 1 v 1. Do it!

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      • Slow day at work

        2 years ago

        Laughable!

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  34. Mikenmn

    2 years ago

    The intoxicating odor of WHY? hangs over this. Soto is there for one year, then it’s the highest bidder and another paralyzingly long contract that eventually disappoints. Yankees with Soto or without will not contend for the WS in 2024, so what’s the purpose of this?

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    • ctyank7

      2 years ago

      And it’s only one year — because of the contracts with Cole and Judge, the Yankees can’t offer Soto more than $40mm a season.
      Thus, to give up two pitchers who very likely will be mainstays of a big league club’s rotation the next four-five years for one year of a guy who doesn’t pitch, is BEYOND FOOLISH.
      Is the GM FOR LIFE unaware of Yankee history and how back in the ’80s, the lack of quality pitching kept Yankee teams build around the strong bats of Henderson, Mattingly and Winfield OUT OF THE PLAYOFFS?
      Right now, the Yankees rotation after Gerrit Cole is Clarke Schmidt (ordinary), Carlos Rodon (never healthy and dependable at the same time), Nestor Cortes (another injury risk) and maybe, by mid-season, Will Warren (unproven but promising)

      ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

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  35. bullred

    2 years ago

    Good for Yanks! They don’t seem to be giving up too much to the Padres. Fair trade as listed. Soto is a great bat.

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      Seems like too much to me.

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  36. bullred

    2 years ago

    Do it now though before other teams pivot to him when Ohtani is gone.

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  37. VegasSDfan

    2 years ago

    Let the Yankees know that we can certainly discuss Soto with the Red Sox

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    • rocky7

      2 years ago

      And get back what…..a bag of balls…….

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  38. desertdawg

    2 years ago

    Why would the Yankees want Grisham?? a .195 hitter in 2023. A one-year rental for Soto, and the Yankees are going to give up some of their prospects. Maybe the Yankees don’t see the prospects they will give up as strong as the Padres do.

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  39. ACK

    2 years ago

    I guess the Padres will put Michael King and Clarke Schmidt into the SP rotation behind Yu Darvish and Joe Musgrove and Drew Thorpe starts 2024 at AA.

    King, Schmidt, Thorpe, and 2 other lottery ticket prospects is likely the deal. I hope Ruben Niebla can tap some unrealized potential out of these 3 as the cost of trading Soto is going to hurt.

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    • Eatdust666

      2 years ago

      Probably so

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  40. bullred

    2 years ago

    Fans love their own teams minor league players so much but if the player hasn’t proved they can pitch or hit in the majors then they are just a lottery ticket in a trade.

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  41. The_M4N

    2 years ago

    King, I like but wouldn’t mind if included. King and Thorpe (and a few more pieces) for a 1 year rental that will cost 10+ years and $35 AAV to keep (if he stays)… to only hit…. Wtf is Cash doing? If they were gonna give that much, why didn’t they do it while in Washington? At least he would’ve stayed a couple years.

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    • Brew’88

      2 years ago

      @ The M4N. What the Pads gave to the Nats was about 300%-400% more than King and Thorpe and a few other small pieces.

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      • The_M4N

        2 years ago

        @Brew’88, I understand that. But what the Pads gave was for roughly 2 1/2 seasons. If the Yanks wanted to go that direction, why not do it then (albeit giving more). To give what they are is being asked for 1 year is just plain dumb.

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        • Brew’88

          2 years ago

          @ The M4N, can’t say I disagree. The Pads gave all that for about 230 games of Soto, Yanks will get 162 hopefully

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        • Pads Fans

          2 years ago

          The Yankees didn’t have enough to get a deal done for Soto then.

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        • TrillionaireTeamOperator

          2 years ago

          Or they felt differently about some of those prospects, and some of those prospects’ 2022 and 2023 results changed the equation for the Yankees and the Padres.

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  42. Bobby Mongan

    2 years ago

    The Yankees need an overhaul in their scouting and player development departments. They hardly ever try to plan for the future, just the immediate future 1-2 years. Maybe I am wrong and I am anything but a Yankee fan I am just making an observation.

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    • The_M4N

      2 years ago

      You are not wrong at all. Cashman has made a career and plenty of money on what Stick built.

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  43. pando8888

    2 years ago

    Why don’t they just sign Cody instead!! Give up no prospects. I like King!

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    • YanksPhan42

      2 years ago

      Bellinger is fools gold. He hit like Ray Charles for a few years and then magically hits well in a contract year. No thank you for 200+ mil

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  44. GoGreen

    2 years ago

    So what happens to The Martian if they pull off this trade?

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    • YanksPhan42

      2 years ago

      He starts when he’s ready and Verdugo to the bench. Verdugo is a rental

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      2 years ago

      They’ll probably trade Verdugo when the Martian returns. They’re not going to let a understandably disgruntled Verdugo rot on the bench during his walk year and I don’t think he should.

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  45. Yanks4life22

    2 years ago

    I was wondering what was going to be the final blow to knock this current iteration of the NY Yankees to perennial mediocrity…..this might be it. The contract he will get after this year, which I highly doubt he will ever come close to living up to, combined with Stanton, Cole, Rodon and Judges deal have a good chance of being a series of torpedoes that sink the ship.

    Can we please get an adult in charge before it’s back to the 80’s version of the Yankees? It already happened once with George, who is light years ahead of his son Hal in terms of anything it takes to run a franchise, so it would be ignorant to think it can’t happen to Hal who is just a shadow of the man George was.

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    • Brew’88

      2 years ago

      In a desperate act by both GMs to save their careers, they might actually self-inflict their own firings.

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      • User 1413108128

        2 years ago

        Seems like mutually assured destruction right?

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        • Eatdust666

          2 years ago

          Basically

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        • Brew88

          2 years ago

          Like I said Darth, these are the nuclear winter meetings

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    • ACK

      2 years ago

      The blow to the Yankees was trading for Stanton over giving $300M to either Machado or Harper. They also got cheap trading for Donaldson over paying for either Corey Seager, Correa, or Bogaerts for SS. Those SS prospects could have moved to 3B..

      Cashman has failed to project which generational talent will age well, and spend accordingly.

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      • JoeBrady

        2 years ago

        They also got cheap trading for Donaldson over paying for either Corey Seager, Correa, or Bogaerts for SS.
        ==========================
        I’m sure if you want Correa or Bogaerts contracts, you wouldn’t even have to give up a prospect.

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        • CityofChampions

          2 years ago

          @Joe

          10000%

          Preller might get a contract extension if the Yanks would assume Bogey’s contract.

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  46. Jesse Chavez enthusiast

    2 years ago

    Call me crazy, but I believe that Chase Hampton could potentially be the gem of this supposed trade (if he is indeed part of the package and the trade goes through.) This guy bumped his strikeouts to over 12ks per 9 while also lowering his walks to around 3 per 9.

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    • Brew’88

      2 years ago

      @ More. I agree he’s not garnering the attention but has potential to be the best player in the trade (from the Yanks), but in part because the other names don’t inspire too much excitement.

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      • Jesse Chavez enthusiast

        2 years ago

        It really depends on if you believe that King is the pitcher that he was last year. If you can get him, Chase Hampton and a prospect in the the 10-15 range for one year of Soto making 33 million dollars I’d be stoked if I was a padres fan. (Well, at least as stoked as you can be losing a player like Soto i guess.)

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  47. Seaver rules

    2 years ago

    DJ, Soto, Judge, Stanton, Rizzo, Tores, Verdugo, Trevino, Volpe is a hell of a 1-9. Verdugo will handle CF.

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    • Skiiggy

      2 years ago

      I would be shocked to see Verdugo in CF. Last time he appeared there was 2021 and he put up -5 OAA, and -7 DRS, Yankees will probably need to still find a CF this offseason.

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    • Aaron Sapoznik

      2 years ago

      Judge will remain in CF. Soto and Verdugo will be the corners with the latter more likely playing LF in Yankee Stadium with his stronger arm.

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  48. Deleted Userr

    2 years ago

    If Soto is traded to the Yankees, Verdugo won’t be included. They are both rentals. All the reasons why the Padres would want to trade Soto are also true of Verdugo.

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    • Joel P

      2 years ago

      That’s nonsense. The Padres are still in win now mode they are just doing it with a budget this time. Verdugo makes a lot less than Soto. The Padres are not rebuilding.

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      • Deleted Userr

        2 years ago

        No. They are not in win now mode if they trade Soto. You can completely forget about that garbage.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          Yes they are that’s why they are getting King back and not a bunch of prospects.

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        • Brew’88

          2 years ago

          lol joel

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          That’s why they are dumping a modern day Ted Williams when they only won 82 games with the aforementioned modern day Ted Williams last year.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          They should have won 10 more games with the talent they had in 2023.

          If it was a rebuild why get King back???

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        • Brew’88

          2 years ago

          Who’s calling it a rebuild? it’s a resizing accompanied by notification to the fan base of their poor planning

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          You are really entitled for a fan of a team that had a big payroll for roughly 5 minutes.

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          If it’s not a rebuild why trade a modern day Ted WIlliams???

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        • Brew’88

          2 years ago

          My Giants have had a sizeable payroll for more then 5 minutes

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        • Brew’88

          2 years ago

          @ harambe ha ha Because they still locked up the modern day Brooks Robinson, Ken Griffey Jr and Sachel Paige?

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        • CityofChampions

          2 years ago

          It’s just like Indians trade of Bauer. I know that’s
          not a deal you like. But A rental could be included. The pads certainly aren’t going all in on one year, if you’re dealing a guy like that, but you’re also not punting on the season.

          D’Backs did make the WS with an arguably weaker roster. Pads can still compete for a WC slot if they plug up a couple more holes.

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  49. YanksPhan42

    2 years ago

    I may be in the minority here……but for the record, I’m against this. yes, Soto is a top 5 lefty hitter in the league. NO, we’re not just one player away from the WS…..so why empty the farm for a one year rental??? If we’re going to trade a big haul, call the Rays for Arozarena. Call the White Sox for Robert….players with control and smaller price tags.

    Much proposal to Preller would be Schmidt, Thorpe, Higgy if they want a catcher and maybe Maranaccio if they want a pen arm. That doesn’t work? Find better! We’ll just sign him next year.

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    • uvmfiji

      2 years ago

      Because our prospect pool stinks.

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    • Cam

      2 years ago

      Because Arozarena and Robert don’t move the dial like Soto does.

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  50. Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman

    2 years ago

    Cashman must be offering Jasson Dominguez finally and Thorpe.

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  51. ron_karate

    2 years ago

    Throw in Jasson Dominguez and wrap this thing up already.

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  52. uvmfiji

    2 years ago

    A fool takes Yankee pitching prospects as significant trade chips. The Yankees have developed Guidry, Ford, Pettitte, Rivera and little else.

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    • YanksPhan42

      2 years ago

      The blind Yankee hatred is akin to Trump Derangement Syndrome.

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      • rocky7

        2 years ago

        Yes, jealous armchair GM exerts all with big mouths…..too bad their brains don’t match!

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        • YanksPhan42

          2 years ago

          Most of them are Cali folks who keep voting in psychopaths to destroy their state….yet somehow claim intellectual superiority.

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  53. yan-key

    2 years ago

    Verdugo, Soto, Rizzo, Torres, and maybe DJLM will all need replacement next off-season. That is a lot of hitting…

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    • Joel P

      2 years ago

      It’s also like 70 million in salary coming off the books.

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  54. The Saber-toothed Superfife

    2 years ago

    With some top, top alien prospects, The Yanks, might move Gio to the Tigers to alleviate payroll issues and go after Ohtani.

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  55. YankeesBleacherCreature

    2 years ago

    I will miss Michael King.

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    • rocky7

      2 years ago

      Agreed, but good trades hurt both ways……King will be successful in SD……

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  56. Deleted Userr

    2 years ago

    Don’t even think about it Preller.

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    • Simm

      2 years ago

      It’s happening my friend. Sad day for the padres.

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      • Deleted Userr

        2 years ago

        I’m not your friend, buddy!

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        • Balk

          2 years ago

          Easy there PaL

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        • Simm

          2 years ago

          Can we please be friends

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        • YourDreamGM

          2 years ago

          Ok sport.

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  57. Ma4170

    2 years ago

    Seems like final package might be close to king, thorpe, pereira, brito… which for one year is a nice haul for the padres and similar to the betts return.
    And lets get real, soto is a top 5 mlb hitter, of course he’ll help the yankees. Judge and soto back to back, with gleyber being more of a complementary bat, and volpe likely improving. They can do damage.

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  58. Brew’88

    2 years ago

    So all the rumors were true after all, the Padres ARE in financial crisis as that’s the only justification for trading Soto.

    Meanwhile all the team’s public statements this past month that they plan to carry out Seidler’s plan were bs.

    if anyone wants to attend some games I have season tickets on the cheap – doubt my kids will want to attend as many as last year..

    And congrats to the Nats for taking the Pads to the cleaners. Go Abrams and Wood!

    I’ll give some credit to Acee (he’s still an idiot though) for calling this collapse first, and hope Preller is fired ASAP for the largest dumbfounding blunder in team history.

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    • Joel P

      2 years ago

      Calm down drama queen. Good gosh you are lucky the Padres spent like crazy the last couple years. That never made sense and was never sustainable.

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      • Simm

        2 years ago

        Exactly and the offseason isn’t over. Padres are reshuffling. Once this deal is done they will start to add.

        If all these guys get traded…grish, Soto, carp, cronenworth. The Padres will have a 130m in payroll.

        Plus will have a decent starter. So they will then start to build the 2024 roster.

        Remember the padres had Soto for nearly 1.5 years and were a .500 during that time.

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      • Brew’88

        2 years ago

        If you can fathom this, my disappointment isn’t about $200 v $250 budget, it’s that they built a roster (many long term contracts) with every intention of maintaining the higher end of that budget. They traded for Soto for 3 WS runs, not 2. Every single Padre fan bought in. Mismanagement isn’t something to applaud, there is no consolation prize for a monumental oops, so put your pom poms down. I’m a Giants fan by the way.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          The mismanagement was taking the payroll to 250 million dollars when the team couldn’t support it long term. But the owner is now dead and I don’t think that’s a coincidence. I think he knew his time was up and did something that never made sense long term. And that’s totally cool and understandable.

          You are mad that the money is running out. That’s a fact.

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        • Brew’88

          2 years ago

          Joel, no, if the budget wasn’t sustainable then they would not have committed to it long term. But wait, they did! Not just with words, but with trades and long-term contracts. And that’s the problem here. You don’ t need to understand that, just accept it.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          The fact that they are trading Soto is clear evidence it wasn’t sustainable. If it was they wouldn’t be trading Soto dude think.

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        • Brew’88

          2 years ago

          The fact that they are trading Soto for 3 WS runs, instead of 2, should tell you everything you need to know about the why I think the trade was a monumental fail. Think

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          Of course it’s a fail NOW. The team went for it and it didn’t pay off no championship. Heck no playoff appearance last year. Of course it was a failure.

          I don’t think fans understand what the term all is means. The Padres were all in. And now it’s time to go back to reality.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 years ago

          The mismanagement was taking the payroll to 250 million dollars
          ==========================
          The mismanagement came with adding payroll with every single trade. Every time they needed a player, they traded a prospect and added someone that cost real money.

          For all the talk about the farm, very few of their players actually come from the farm. They need to occasionally promote a minimum wage player to a regular slot.

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        • Brew’88

          2 years ago

          Nothing shameful about going for it. They are still apparently going for it (see all the long-term contracts they’ve committed to). So they sent Abrams, Wood, Gore, Susana and Hassell Jr packing for a superstar with 3 years of control, while investing in a slew of players (Bogarts, Manny, Darvish, Cronz, Tatis, etc…) long-term. To now sell Soto’s 3rd year off to meet apparently unforeseen budget constraints illustrates quite blatantly bad planning to say the least. That’s the reality, why try to excuse that?.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          Dude the owner is dead. I think that would explain the bad planning.

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        • Brew’88

          2 years ago

          Joel, right, the decision to reduce payroll significantly and trade Soto has all been a decision made suddenly in the past two weeks since Peter Seidler’s untimely death. It’s simple isn’t it.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          Anyone who was paying a bit of attention could see this didn’t all add up after 2023 for the Padres. The point is the owner didn’t care because he knew he wasn’t going to be around. Now the Padres have to try to contend with less money to spend than last year. It’s not like the payroll is going to be like the Rays it’s just less than last year. And you are mad about that but you will get over it.

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        • Brew’88

          2 years ago

          transference eases your pain?.

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    • iml12

      2 years ago

      Ummm. It’s only been reported for a month by 30 different outlets. Surprise!

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      • Joel P

        2 years ago

        These guys were in denial.

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      • Longtimecoming

        2 years ago

        Technically, 1 reporter (Acee) who recanted. The rest were just citing Acee.

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        • iml12

          2 years ago

          All you had to do was listen to Preller answer questions about the budget 2 days ago. Heyman, Morosi, and all these other guys have front office contacts. These guys weren’t citing some article in the San Diego tribune from a month ago. They were talking to people.

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    • Longtimecoming

      2 years ago

      Brew, I too am against the Soto trade in principle. You and I have shared some comments on this and I’ll go back to an earlier post – if this means that Padres get a 1/2 SP either FA from $$’s saved or a trade of mixture of current 6-30 and incoming prospects; sign Lee and a 4/5 SP, I can get my head wrapped around this.

      We keep 10 or our current top 11 and get a Luzardo/Burnes type; bring back a Wacha type and have Lee for CF.

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      • Joel P

        2 years ago

        Luzardo and Burnes and Cease wasn’t and still isn’t happening. You guys are delusional.

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        • Longtimecoming

          2 years ago

          Joel – I wasn’t saying all 3. Why would you say SD can’t obtain 1 of those guys with the current farm + even more coming apparently?

          They have trade history with the teams, none are financially a problem, all have been mentioned as possible trade bait.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          I believe you were saying all 3 I swear you showed a rotation with all 3 in it a couple days ago.

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        • Longtimecoming

          2 years ago

          No not me – I’ve never mentioned Cease. I have always used the / indicating one of the group of those type guys. Add Snell or Montgomery even. I don’t care which.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          Snell or Montgomery lol. Dude your team has no money to spend on giant free agent deals. Figure it out man.

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        • Longtimecoming

          2 years ago

          Well apparently they are freeing up at least 33 mil.

          That said, this all started with my suggesting that they trade for 1 instead though for the record.

          And yes, they have the prospect capital to get all 3 but I wouldn’t trade 1-4 so, let’s just go with 1 of them for now.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          They aren’t freeing up Sotos money to spend it on Snell lol come on man.

          The question now is whether or not the Padres want to sell even more of their future in prospects to keep the window open.

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      • JoeBrady

        2 years ago

        I’ve been saying this to all the Padres’ fans that think Soto is an untouchable demi-god. If you trade for cheap, but startable players, you can buy a ton of talent with the money you are saying. And that goes for almost everyone.

        I said that about Trout. I said that last year about Goldie & Arenado. Anytime a team makes a trade, the implied value of the money you save has to be included.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          Yes as long as that money gets spent elsewhere. Many times that is not the case. I have my doubts that the Padres spend the 30 million they are saving by not paying Soto.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 years ago

          Then all bets are off. But if they get, just for the sake of discussion, King, Schmidt, and Verdugo for Soto, I’d bet on them winning more games. Right now, the Padres have two SPs, both coming off the IL. The need a huge amount of innings, even if that means less offense.

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      • Brew88

        2 years ago

        @Longtime. What we are seeing I’m afraid is the end of the Pads going for it. It was fun while it lasted and we have only Peter Seidler to thank.This trade signifies their trending back to mid-level budget. I’m doubtful they will sign a big time FA or make a splashy trade, but will instead try to build small pieces around their remaining stars. So noe Yamamoto or Burnes etc…. Let’s hope they can make another run at it in near future with a good crop of prospects around Tatis and Musgrove. 2025-2027 is another good window.

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        • Longtimecoming

          2 years ago

          Brew 25-27 does look like a good prospect window. I’d never count Preller out on another trade – good or bad is yet to be seen – but, trade is something he seems to never get tired of.

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    • Pads Fans

      2 years ago

      6 for 1 trade that fills most of the holes on the Padres in one trade does not indicate financial trouble.

      I will take over your season tickets. Lets call the season ticket office today. I want your seniority though, so it has to be a transfer.. What section are they in?

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      • Joel P

        2 years ago

        The Padres aren’t in financial ruin. But they needed to shed salary to build a decent team in 2024. And that’s what they are doing.

        I am not a Padres fan fella.

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        • Pads Fans

          2 years ago

          Joel, The Padres don’t need to shed salary either. You keep saying that and you keep being wrong. Kind of tired of your trolling. I cannot find a single time you were right about anything.

          I was talking to Brew about his season tickets. Another thing you got wrong.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          Dude the Padres are shedding a ton of salary here. They didn’t trade Soto thinking they would get better. Duh.

          You guys are clueless. Padres overspend after years of claiming poor and you fans don’t know what direction is up anymore.

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        • SDHotDawg

          2 years ago

          Every baseball mddia outlet in the world is reporting the Padres need to shed payroll. And yet, some wrongly persist with their narrative.

          Next thing you know, one of these full-on pathological liars will claim to have been visiting Nashville, and “overhearing” confidential conversations. If you think I’m just being snarky, I’m not. It’s happened more than once.

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      • Brew’88

        2 years ago

        Financial trouble indeed. Section 107. 6 seats. You can have all my Rockies games, I’d like to watch Ohtani etc…

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        • Pads Fans

          2 years ago

          I will happily take over your season ticket account. Tried to get more tickets, but there were no good ones available because so few people didn’t renew and the waiting list had over 1000 people on it. Want the seniority though, so transfer the account to me. Will sell you back any games Ohtani plays in and any games except Cubs and Yankees you want to purchase.

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      • PadresWSChamps2025

        2 years ago

        They could have filled those holes without parting with CJ Abrams, MacKenzie Gore, James Wood, RH3 and Jarlin Susana.

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    • Slow day at work

      2 years ago

      @Brew’88 the Padres will still have a good club that should compete in 2024, even without Soto! It’s not like they’re trading everyone else too

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      • Longtimecoming

        2 years ago

        Slow – currently, no 3-5 SP and lost a huge bat.

        For the moment, they have dropped. What they do from here with the $$’s and prospect capital will define them as competitive or rebuild.

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      • Brew’88

        2 years ago

        @ Slow day. I’m not saying they won’t still compete in 2024, but they won’t get back from the Yanks a fraction of the impact they would have had in 24 with Soto. More importantly, by far, is that it’s clear now that they will have a highly reduced payroll in 24 (that’s why they dumped Soto).

        They’ll add some pieces and try to compete in 24, the players, Shildt, etc… will try to compete sure. We should support those guys.

        But if this isn’t the last straw for Preller as a GM then I don’t know what is. The Soto trade to the Nats looks really dumb now from a roster-bulding and planning standpoint. He needs to stand back from trades and FA signings, and focus on draft and player development, where his record is good.

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          @Brew’88 Are you kidding? Preller has a terrible record in player development.

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        • Brew’88

          2 years ago

          maybe Im using the wrong term for you harambe. The Pads have been poor at developing MLB ready talent, I agree. I’m giving Preller credit for developing a very successful team of talent evaluators (“scouts”). So not directly linked to player development, ok. There must be a job title for Preller in that realm, somewhere.

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      • Deleted Userr

        2 years ago

        @Slow day at work A team that is trying to contend doesn’t trade Juan Soto or anyone like him. Full stop.

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        • CityofChampions

          2 years ago

          Preller is a great amateur scout. Hasn’t been great at producing his own MLB players from the system.

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        • Slow day at work

          2 years ago

          If trading Soto allows you to fill 2 rotation spots and also brings salary relief, you take it.
          Keeping Soto does not make them competitive if they don’t have the starting pitching needed or means to acquire it.
          Trading Soto might be the ONLY way to remain competitive in 2024 while reducing their payroll.
          Fuller stop!

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          @Slow day at work No you don’t Preller already did 2x the opposite when he traded for Soto. Why would he backpedal on that now?

          They still don’t have the means to acquire SP. They’re just going to have to spend the Soto savings replacing his production and still won’t get there.

          Competitive teams don’t trade 25 y/o Dominican clones of Ted Williams.

          Fullererererererest stop! End of discussion. Bye Felicia.

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        • Slow day at work

          2 years ago

          If they get King and Schmidt in return, that fills 2 of the rotation spots, while freeing up enough salary to get a 5th starter or just trade for Cease.

          Soto is leaving at the end of the year and you won’t be able to compete with Soto and no pitchers this year, so might as well try to compete by dealing from an area of strength to fill up an area of need.

          Don’t be the Angels 2.0.

          Fullestest stop! *Mic drop*

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          That doesn’t make the Padres better in 2024 than just keeping Soto. They can still trade for Cease without trading away Soto first.

          Checkmate.

          Game. Set. Match.

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        • Slow day at work

          2 years ago

          You forget that the #1 priority for SD is to cut their payroll. Trading for Cease without getting rid of Soto’s 30M+ owed next year does not accomplish that and also leaves the Padres short 2 more starters without the ability to get anyone else.

          Trading Soto hurts and is not ideal, but it is the only way for the Padres to stay competitive.

          Game over.

          Have a nice day!

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    • The Former Player

      2 years ago

      $9 per ticket would work?

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      Smart move trading Soto.

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  59. YanksPhan42

    2 years ago

    I’m not happy with losing King at all. I’ll reserve judgement after we see the rest of the package……and what else Cashman is doing this offseason. Seems he’s going to have to spend his way out of his inept planning the last several years instead of building the right way.

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    • Brew’88

      2 years ago

      @ yanksPhan number fourty too. The Pads are spiraling and taking the Yanks down with them (only suitors stuipid enough).

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    • Hurricane Sandy

      2 years ago

      What’s the “right way” though? The Rangers just went on a spending binge the last two years and got their two most important position players and acquired pretty much their entire starting rotation of a World Series team. Ditto the Phillies, who have spent themselves into perennial contention.

      I know the ideal is a championship caliber team made up of mostly homegrown stars, but teams have shown the last few years that that’s not the only way to achieve success.

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      • YanksPhan42

        2 years ago

        The right way would be to develop some of our own hitting prospects. Building a lineup with balance. The lack of lefty mashers is astonishingly stupid as we’ve basically given the short porch advantage to the other team! Getting back to baseball 101 instead of this “three true outcome” BS that Cashman worships. Not needing a 300m payroll to succeed when we fight the Rays yearly who spend a third of that.

        Imagine if we ran the team like the Rays but only used our checkbook for generational talents instead of band aids???

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        • Hurricane Sandy

          2 years ago

          I agree with you wholeheartedly about the left-handed thing, but that’s why I think acquiring Soto is such a great move for the Yanks. I also absolutely can’t stand the three true outcomes brand of baseball. I have to be honest though, sign Soto and Yamamoto and you’ve already had yourself one hell of an off-season. A lot of dead weight though for the Yanks even to this day with Stanton, Rizzo, LeMahieu, etc..

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  60. mad1

    2 years ago

    I guess the yanks came around to the padres way of thinking

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  61. Deleted Userr

    2 years ago

    Christ, Michael King only has one more year of control than Juan Soto himself.

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    • yan-key

      2 years ago

      Good point

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    • Brew’88

      2 years ago

      this is just simply a Soto salary dump and u-turn on roster building plans

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    • Anthony maresca

      2 years ago

      Plus coming of a broken elbow injury last season so the question here is can his elbow hold up as a starter with 150+ innings? They have to do this trade

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      They can trade King at deadline or next off-season.

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  62. Flanster

    2 years ago

    I wonder if this is the prelude to Yamamoto

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    • Longtimecoming

      2 years ago

      Yes. The Padres will use the money saved to sign Yam!

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      • Brew88

        2 years ago

        Prelude to Yams. Lee. Ohtani

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        • Longtimecoming

          2 years ago

          Brew you said it baby!

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  63. Catuli Carl

    2 years ago

    Yankees shipping some of their best young, controllable pitchers for a one year rental of a guy they won’t be able to afford to extend anyway. You love to see it.

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      2 years ago

      “Extend” is highly unlikely to happen with Boras as his agent. They’re meeting with Yamamoto’s camp next Monday so they can probably “afford” him.

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  64. Deleted Userr

    2 years ago

    Happy Arson Judge day!

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  65. BaseballClassic1985

    2 years ago

    Giving up King in a Soto deal is a mistake. Not for 1 year of Soto. This must mean they’re confident they’re going to get Yamamoto, because giving up King without Yamamoto in the fold weakens the team.

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    • Slow day at work

      2 years ago

      2 years of King for 1 year of Soto is actually not enough, which is why other pieces will be included.

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  66. Deleted Userr

    2 years ago

    The only way this isn’t a failure is if Jasson Dominguez ends up on the Padres and even then it still wasn’t worth losing CJ Abrams, MacKenzie Gore and James Wood.

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      Worth it for a dying rich guy. That’s all that mattered.

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  67. unpaidobserver

    2 years ago

    Man this Soto guy must be the greatest pitcher ever.

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      More about multiple years of team control.

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  68. kodion

    2 years ago

    Hard to keep up in the AL East: Looking like a Yankee overpay for a Soto rental …and we all know the Jays signed Ohtani is going to be HUGELY expensive!

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  69. Pads Fans

    2 years ago

    So Cashman caved. He is desperate and going to give Preller all he asked for. BOTH King and Thorpe plus, plus, plus.

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    • PadresWSChamps2025

      2 years ago

      Not that desperate when Soto cost CJ Abrams, MacKenzie Gore, Robert Hassell III, James Wood and Jarlin Susana 16 months ago.

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      • Seamaholic

        2 years ago

        16 months adds a TON of value. Soto was a lot cheaper then, too.

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    • Brew’88

      2 years ago

      Right, 2 GMs should be fired from this, not just one

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    • Wrian Washman

      2 years ago

      Don’t get too excited the plus plus part are LTs. A long reliever/swingman and a potential future #3 is not exactly a fleecing.

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  70. tangerinepony

    2 years ago

    I can’t believe Grisham was once upon a time a top 15 pick…. As great as he is defensively the scouts sure over rated him overall where he can’t hit his weight

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  71. Slider_withcheese

    2 years ago

    At least 20 other teams could match that package. If it goes through, NY is getting a steal

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    • NewYorkSoxFan

      2 years ago

      20 other clubs can’t add 33 million to their payroll and still fill other needs.

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      • Brew’88

        2 years ago

        But 9 other teams were known to have tried to land Soto

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    • Seamaholic

      2 years ago

      Nah, I think King/Thorpe plus is actually a little bit of an overpay, which is fine. King has tremendous stuff and Thorpe is one of the biggest up and comers in the minors among pitchers. If things go well in SD, they could both be rotation stalwarts (King would have to be re-signed). You don’t often get two legit starting pitchers for one year of a dude you can’t afford. I don’t think anyone’s beating that.

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  72. Wrian Washman

    2 years ago

    King and Thorpe is just right. The other 2 should be complete lottery tickets and maybe cash considerations. This is fair for one year of Soto

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  73. Big Hurt

    2 years ago

    Feels like A LOT for one year of Soto… they must be expecting to sign long term.

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      Double down on bad moves.

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  74. dasit

    2 years ago

    soto isn’t enough to put this team over the top and 80 games with the short porch might end up increasing his free agent value by 50M but cashman really has no choice. hopefully this signals they believe they have a legit shot at yamamoto

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  75. Frankie Bani

    2 years ago

    If The Yankees make the trade Stanton must be the Batboy and 80 % to get hurst

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  76. frankpr21

    2 years ago

    I rather have Glasnow than Soto for one year. Cole , Glasnow, King make for an excellent rotation. They have enough hitting to win the division. Only need to be smart about it, and pieces here ans there but they dont need to splash and give up talent for one year of Soto. Keep the talent and then next year go after Soto on free agency. Have way this coming season the martian will be arriving. So please tell Cash, don’t waste talent.

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    • Senzapaura305

      2 years ago

      Disagree, Glasnow is NEVER healthy, Carl Pavano 2.0

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      Or Burnes Cease whoever else is available.

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  77. Hired Gun 23

    2 years ago

    The other prospects are Dick Dastardly, Wile E. Coyote and Guy Smiley…

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  78. Killer of Ignorance

    2 years ago

    I find it amusing how all the Yankee haters here are trying to come up with any scenario whatsoever to try to portray this as a bad deal for NY. It’ll be several years before you could make an argument one way or the other about who got the better end of this deal. Right now it’s all biased speculation, pro and con. As a very long time Yankee fan, I can say my wife just walked in the computer room where I’ve been reading and listening to articles on the latest on the Soto discussions (MLB Trade Rumors my favorite), and she immediately asked me, “Why the big smile dear”? If you get my drift, I’m in euphoria thinking about Judge and Soto back to back.

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  79. Frankie Bani

    2 years ago

    Domínguez is better than Soto and Verdugo

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    • Deleted Userr

      2 years ago

      0.2 WAR so far in the majors. How much do Soto and Verdugo have?

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  80. BaseballisLife

    2 years ago

    Looks like I was right. A desperate Cashman caved and is sending the Padres everything they wanted for Soto. From what I am hearing on NYC radio, they are saying its a 6 for 1 trade that includes King and Thorpe plus 4 more players including 2 of Brito, Vazquez, and Schmidt plus a top OF prospect that I am assuming is Pereira.

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    • Killer of Ignorance

      2 years ago

      Careful there Life. Your gonna pull a muscle patting yourself on the back. Anybody conceited enough to call himself Baseball Life should have enough knowledge to know this trade won’t shake out for several years to try and say who got the better deal. Just another Yankee hater…

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      • Deleted Userr

        2 years ago

        He’s also Pads Fans, websoulsurfer and outinleftfield. Read those dudes’ comments and then tell me they aren’t the same guy.

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        • Simm

          2 years ago

          It’s is pretty much what padres fan said a bit ago.

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      2 years ago

      King, Thorpe, Stanton, Rodon… and a non-Volpe/Peraza SS PTBNL for good measures since it’s the Padres.

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    • the voice inside my head

      2 years ago

      The Golden Fleece (job)

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      I thought they wanted Dominguez and Schmidt?

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  81. the voice inside my head

    2 years ago

    That guy in the outfield stands that spilled his beer on Soto when the Padres played at Yankee Stadium last season now says he’s sorry and didn’t mean anything by it.

    Then again, if Soto starts out next season for the Yankees in a batting slump, the team might have to cut off beer sales in the outfielder stands.

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  82. desertdawg

    2 years ago

    Sounds like this may be from what I’m hearing this is going to involve 6 to maybe 8 players total. Padres might be adding something to the trade besides Soto. Could it be that Preller has been talking to Tampa Bay with a deal involving Glasnow and Arozarena??? Pads need a LF.

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  83. Pads Fans

    2 years ago

    Hearing from Morosi that the deal includes Cronenworth, its an 8 for 2 trade including Thorpe, Pereira, King, Schmidt, Brito and more with the Yankees eating all of Cronenworth’s contract.

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    • Brew’88

      2 years ago

      catcher Higashioka

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      • Pads Fans

        2 years ago

        That makes a lot of sense.

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    • Keena

      2 years ago

      I wish King wasn’t involved in this trade. The guy can be lights out, out of the bullpen, or as a starter, and is young. If we can get Soto to agree to an extension, before the trade, then I’d feel much better.

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      • Pads Fans

        2 years ago

        King is going into his age 29 season and has just two years of team control. He was not a key piece. He was a throw in,

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    • Rally Goose

      2 years ago

      Sign a guy to an unnecessary extension just to sell him at his absolute low point not even a year later. Winning!

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    • TrillionaireTeamOperator

      2 years ago

      Basically Yankees get two guys who are ready to go and known commodities, Padres get $45M of salary relief and a bunch of guys with very high upsides but no track record or iffy track records or no major league level experience, which may or may not translate in the long run

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    • PadresWSChamps2025

      2 years ago

      Not seeing anything on Morosi’s Twitter about this. Think it’s more likely they use the trade to dump Matt Carpenter. At least Crone has some upside.

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      • TrillionaireTeamOperator

        2 years ago

        No way the Yankees take back Carpenter on $5.5M guarantee.

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        • PadresWSChamps2025

          2 years ago

          @TrillionaireTeamOperator They will if it lessens the prospect part of the trade.

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      • Simm

        2 years ago

        It’s Grisham, think cronenworth might be in a different trade. I haven’t heard a single word about cronenworth being in the Soto deal.

        Multiple people are saying Grisham is in the deals.

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  84. terrymesmer

    2 years ago

    >Yankees would be comfortable with Judge playing center field every day

    Wow! Hahahaha!

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    • Ezpkns34

      2 years ago

      Yeh, found that bit to be one of the most interesting takeaways from it

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  85. TrillionaireTeamOperator

    2 years ago

    I look at it this way- the Yankees have had issues patching together a solid outfield for years and years now. Soto, Judge, Verdugo is as solid an outfield as it gets. That’s a fairly high profile, functional, effective outfield, with relatively durable players in their primes or yet to reach their primes.

    Michael King is a very good pitcher. He is not durable. He’s a guy who cannot handle being overtaxed with innings and has to be on a relatively short leash as a starter. He may yet blossom into a solid middle to back of the rotation piece, he may even have runs of a few games of dominance here and there, but he probably wouldn’t have been the difference maker for the Yankees.

    Drew Thorpe looks like a stud. I’ll give you that. His numbers are dream like. But he’s in AA. Keep pushing him up through the system and who knows how that realistically plays out at increasingly competitive levels. IF he’s a stud in the majors? Okay. Gotta give something up to take something back. It still wouldn’t be a lopsided trade.

    And any of these other guys? They’re PROSPECTS. Prospects who, by and large, either do not pan out or wind up having perfectly fine but not particularly remarkable careers, many of whom wind up as journeymen moving through baseball, team hopping, so their destiny wasn’t to be some stalwart Yankee player anyway.

    Soto has gone from the studliest of studs, a generational talent who was right to turn down that 15 years/$440M (Ron Howard’s voice: “he was right to turn that down”), to someone people apparently see little to no value in who isn’t worth having on a roster, going by a lot of these comments.

    The opposite is true. And given his profile, he was going to require a haul from anybody who got him. And people around here value prospects like they’re all guaranteed winning lottery tickets or slot machine jackpots, when they’re really just lottery tickets and slot machines- and we all know that for every big win there are hundreds if not thousands of forgotten losses to get to those wins.

    Soto is an automatic jackpot winning lottery ticket/slot machine. I’ll take that over the gambles with the probability that they will be losers or low level winners, you know?

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    • Deleted Userr

      2 years ago

      Soto is still the studliest of studs. He’s just a one year rental now and is going to sign with the highest bidder next offseason.

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      • TrillionaireTeamOperator

        2 years ago

        I don’t think that’s necessarily true. I think the Nats’ offer was a low ball for the current market place and everybody knew it. It gives Soto a year to play in New York and get used to the organization and if the Yankees want to sign him long term, they can. I know they’ve tightened the purse strings generally over the last decade or more, but they can open them when they see fit and this might be one of those times. I think a 12 year/$501M extension wouldn’t be out of the question.

        Now, granted, we’ve seen a lot of those long term extensions go south earlier rather than later. Trout, considered by many to be the greatest baseball player in history, is going into his age 32 season and looks gassed. He looks baked. He looks like he can’t stay healthy anymore and his body has broken down already, with 7 years left on the deal, taking him to his age 38 season and he may have to primarily DH going forward.

        The Yankees already have their own version of this in Judge, beloved as he is. Obviously people worry Soto would become another guy like that. I think if the Yankees are productive and the teaming of Judge, Soto and even Verdugo is effective, the Yankees may extend Soto anyway. In that scenario, Soto would be signed through his age 37 season, which is one year younger than Trout will be, etc. and I think it’s reasonable to believe at least one guy could stay healthy and effective through his age 37 season.

        But a 1 year rental and a World Series title is also almost worth it, right? Isn’t the whole point a World Series title? If the Padres can’t put that together with all these stud prospects and ready to go major league level good talent in guys like King, but the Yankees got a World Series win out of it, then wasn’t that the ultimate goal for any team making trades?

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          Soto’s not signing an extension. That is the whole reason the Nats and now Padres traded him.

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        • TrillionaireTeamOperator

          2 years ago

          I’m not saying he is, but maybe he re-signs anyway? What’s the difference if the market is all similar enough that it really comes down to where you want to play and it’s the team you were last on?

          I get it= if everybody is valuing him at around $40M a year, he believes someone will go to like $42.5M or $43M and an extra year or two, so over 12 years that’s an extra $33M in salary and possibly an extra $76M in salary if an extra year is tacked on. Worth the bidding war to push it to that limit.

          And wherever he winds up? Good for him.

          But for all the guys the Yankees are giving up, a real shot at the world series over the course of the season is worth it.

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          @TrillionaireTeamOperator Then it would have made more sense to just pay Soto a little bit more and keep your prospects.

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  86. Mantle536

    2 years ago

    This is the sort of Stupid deal that only a GM who is Desperate to save his job & save face would make.

    You don’t trade King & Thorpe for one year of Anyone! Thorpe is the Best Pitching prospect we’ve developed in a couple of decades; he has ace potential, and King looks like a strong #2 or #3 starter.

    So, only a MORON like Cashman would even consider this DUMB move.

    Moreover, given Hal’s reluctance to go over $300 MM, it’s Virtually a Guarantee that we’ll lose Soto to free agency next year.

    So, this is a DISASTROUS LONGTERM MOVE for the Yankees, all so one incompetent GM can try to save face for one more year!

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    • Deleted Userr

      2 years ago

      Why not? Soto cost CJ Abrams, MacKenzie Gore and James Wood only 16 months ago.

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    • Ezpkns34

      2 years ago

      Your statement would seem to imply that Hal has zero say in a trade of this magnitude. If that’s so (and it’s not) then not sure how Cashman would be the one to carry the ultimate blame for the trade

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    • Brew’88

      2 years ago

      @ Mantle. You sound almost exactly like some Pads fans after the Padres acquired Soto from the Nats for an even more massive haul. But even with the failed trade, AJP still GM. So there’s hope for Cash.

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  87. SuperMarinerBros

    2 years ago

    “Yankees don’t seem to concerned with club payroll at the present.”

    This long-gaslighted Mariners fan thinks that must be nice.

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  88. acoss13

    2 years ago

    So Grisham is tagging along with Soto it seems. He was sporting a mustache this past season, no? He’ll fit right in with the Yankees grooming policy.

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    • Joel P

      2 years ago

      I think Grisham going to the Yankees makes sense. Perhaps Florial and Periera both go to the Padres. The Yankees can replace Grisham and Verdugo with Dominguez and Jones long term.

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  89. 178iq

    2 years ago

    You have to trade for players when no one wants to sign with the Yankees. All these players will sign elsewhere after the season, and the Yankees will be without everyone that traded… repeal the shaving rule. It’s stupid. No grown men want to be told to shave. It also messes with slumps etc… Yankees are washed up.

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      For enough $ they will shave.

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  90. VegasSDfan

    2 years ago

    Would be interesting if the Padres are a better team after the trade. Based on the two pitchers involved, I would say no. Not for 2023. Let’s see the other pieces involved

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    • Joel P

      2 years ago

      You really have to hear all the details. But the Padres are almost guaranteed to not be as good after this deal. The question will be will they spend tue savings on their rotation and if so then how does it look.

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      • Robertowannabe

        2 years ago

        You have to consider that they would most likely lose Soto for just a comp pick after this coming season anyway.. If this is the best deal they could get offered then you have to take it.

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          If that is such a problem for Preller why trade for Soto in the first place HUH? HUH? HUH?

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      SD better for 2023 and more importantly 2024.

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  91. Ezpkns34

    2 years ago

    I understand the NYY hate to some degree, but they’ve always had a knack for livening things up during offseason quiet spells

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  92. YourDreamGM

    2 years ago

    King Thorpe is a excellent return on its own. SD is going to kill it if reports are true.

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  93. Rightout

    2 years ago

    Soto will hit 40 HRs Drive in 100 have OBP 410. For a bunch of overated Yankee prospects…. Too funny….

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  94. Deleted Userr

    2 years ago

    Daily reminder that Trent Grisham is not a “trade to offset salary” guy. If he is in fact included in this trade it will be because the Yankees wanted him.

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    • MrSeptember

      2 years ago

      You just keep telling yourself that, Trent.

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      • Deleted Userr

        2 years ago

        @WiseCounsell Why wasn’t he non-tendered if that is the case bub?

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        • 99socalfrc

          2 years ago

          Because Preller is not good at his job.

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          He’s not but he’s certainly not going to tender a guy who he thinks is worth less than what he is projected to make in arb.

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        • 99socalfrc

          2 years ago

          Wouldn’t be surprised if the Yankees asked for Grisham instead of something else/ worse. I’d hope the Padres tried to attach Carpenter or Cronenworth and the Yankees laughed and said we will give you one other lottery ticket prospect if we can take Grisham instead.

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          If Grisham was included, it’s because Cashman asked for him. Or because Preller asked for a particular package, Cashman said no, Preller asked “What if I throw in Trent Grisham?” and Cashman said “Ok fine.” This trade doesn’t get done from the Yankees side if Grisham isn’t included.

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    • Joel P

      2 years ago

      Trade values says Grisham is worth about 10 million. And I agree with that. He certainly has positive trade value.

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      • Deleted Userr

        2 years ago

        And could have been non-tendered if he didn’t have positive trade value.

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  95. PadresWSChamps2025

    2 years ago

    “Mr. Cashman, how many outfielders do you want?”

    “Yes.”

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  96. Simm

    2 years ago

    Bottom line is the padres were a .500 teams since they acquired hader and Soto.

    They both were good. Not blaming either of them but it didn’t work.

    Padres have to work on building a team. One that plays as a unit.

    They will have at least 6 top 100 prospects after this trade. Plus a few on the border. Plus the number 1 international prospect they will sign next month.

    If they move cronenworth, Grisham and perhaps carpenter along with Soto (perhaps sep trades) the padres will go from a 181m current payroll down to around 130m.

    They would also have a rotation of…

    Mustgrove, darvish and king.

    So they will need to add a couple of guys. My guess is bother by trade or one by trade and one free agent.

    Report came out yesterday saying they can spend up to 220m. If that’s true then they would have 70-90m available to spend.

    Holes in center, left, 1b, dh, 2 starters, back up catcher. Pen arm or 2.

    Depending on who else they get in the Soto deal could fill one or so of those holes.

    Either way the padres are in great shape after these deals financially and prospect wise.

    Will be fun to see what they do going forward.

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    • Brew’88

      2 years ago

      @Simm. No doubt, the future could be quite bright if Preller doesn’t mess it up again. As a season ticket holder I be watching

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      • Simm

        2 years ago

        Yeah I think they will go hard for Lee.

        I also really think they do all they can to land burns.

        A lot of the other parts they will get in this trade. Lastly they call up Cleveland and get a closer.

        If burns is too hard then they go glasnow. I was on cease but they are asking way too
        Much.

        1b they could go cooper, they could go internal.

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        • Brew’88

          2 years ago

          If they go hard for FAs/trades (Burnes, Snell, Lee, etc…) and spend up to $220M, I can’t wait to hear Prellers explanation for parting with Soto. If Grish goes too (looks inevitable), then they will need Lee plus another OFer

          I know, maybe they swoop in on Ohtani, Peter’s last will and testament!

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        • Longtimecoming

          2 years ago

          Maybe Merrill for LF with Lee in CF?

          Could they be seeing Tirso as being ready?

          Marsee maybe mid-season?

          Or just save up for trade deadline moves?

          Let’s not forget about deadline options.

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    • Ma4170

      2 years ago

      I think they’ll trade for burnes

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    • Ma4170

      2 years ago

      I could see them trading for burnes

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    • 99socalfrc

      2 years ago

      I suspect once Soto is gone you will hear the Padres come up in Snell discussions.

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      • Longtimecoming

        2 years ago

        99 – there are a lot of posts going on but somewhere I raised just that idea. I had Phillies and Seattle as 2 top Snell destinations and apparently both are out. If the do end up bringing Sanchez back, if they do miss on Yam, I think Snell is looking pretty good for SD option. He loved it there.

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        • 99socalfrc

          2 years ago

          Not sure if he liked Melvin or not, but if he did, San Francisco makes a lot of sense for Snell too.

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        • Longtimecoming

          2 years ago

          I never heard anything that suggests that he didn’t like BoMel. I do think there was some that didn’t approve of his coddling of Hader – maybe starters? I wouldn’t put SF out of the mix. Of course he liked Niebla and probably even Shildt since he was around too.

          If money is similar I’d give SD the edge but money has to be really similar. Sanchez resigning could be a little bit of a factor – not a game changer but a pushing over the top on a close offer.

          Still yet to be seen if Soto / Grish / Cro / Carp (some combo) gets moved to free up money and then even more to he seen if they do reallocate the money as I hope.

          Too soon to read too much into into. Need the rest of tue story first.

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  97. Annihilus

    2 years ago

    I heard a rumor that I started, that the Padres have thrown Manny Machado into the deal.

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  98. Saint Nick

    2 years ago

    With Soto, the Yanks might finish 3rd in the division next season.

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  99. CarryABigStick

    2 years ago

    LOL, Yankees need pitching and they’re trading a decent pitcher (King) and a very good prospect (Thorpe), doh!

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  100. outinleftfield

    2 years ago

    Just walked past the MLB Network stage and overheard a guy in a headset, assuming the producer, saying, ” Is it official?” A pause while he listened. Then ” I am confused, is it an Padres Yankees deal 8 for 2 or is it a 3 team deal with Burnes going to Padres?” Then a pause and “I will prep it both ways. Get back to me when you have something solid”.

    Guess this trade is happening. Padres might be getting Burnes in the deal too. That is a huge trade either way.

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    • outinleftfield

      2 years ago

      Sorry I haven’t been on more. My wife got all ticked off. Even told me that I didn’t know half the people I overheard and shouldn’t be spreading rumors. LOL I had to tell her this is a RUMORS website. Still in the doghouse. Try to get on if I overhear anything else.

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      • Deleted Userr

        2 years ago

        I’ll take “Things that didn’t happen” for $500, Alex.

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    • Longtimecoming

      2 years ago

      Thanks for the scoop Out!

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      • Deleted Userr

        2 years ago

        He’s a liar XD XD XD

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  101. Cora the Destroya

    2 years ago

    Who’s going to play center field?

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    • Longtimecoming

      2 years ago

      Lee, Tatis, Azocar, Bogaerts in that order or options.

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  102. YanksPhan42

    2 years ago

    I don’t get taking Grisham at all. For a 4th OF/defensive replacement? Florial can do the same and also hit under .200 for peanuts. Dumb! Unless he’s part of something else. Guess we’ll see.

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    • acoss13

      2 years ago

      Preller must have made it part of the deal, he is trying to shed as much salary as possible and for the Yankees, let’s face it’s chump change. Probably saved them a prospect too.

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      • Deleted Userr

        2 years ago

        No. Preller did not make it part of the deal. If he wanted to dump Grisham to the point that he’s saying “Please take this dude along with the superstar you are getting” he would have simply non-tendered Grisham. He certainly wouldn’t have let the Yankees “save a prospect” by taking him. He would have wanted more/better prospects in exchange for Grisham.

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    • 99socalfrc

      2 years ago

      Doesn’t make sense for either side really. If the Padres wanted to the Yankees to take money they could have sent them Carpenter.

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  103. larry48

    2 years ago

    Yankees payroll for 2024 230,000,000 expect to be 270,000,000 by open day.

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    • PinstripedPride

      2 years ago

      Yankees brass apparently have said they’re willing to push a $300 million payroll in order to get Soto and Yamamoto. Let’s go

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      • Anthony maresca

        2 years ago

        If they retain Torres that figure increases to $320 million and they also need another bullpen arm and backup starter

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  104. mlbdodgerfan2015

    2 years ago

    Now do Padre fans believe that the team is indeed looking to offload payroll and not in the best financial shape?

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    • Brew’88

      2 years ago

      @mlbdodgersfan. That reality is dawning on a lot of Padres fans yep. I’m a Giants (and Padres) fan but my 14 year old son (diehard Padres fan, we live in SD) is holding out hope they moved Soto to swoop in Dodgers and grab Ohtani. I can’t break it to him….youth springs eternal.

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      • mlbdodgerfan2015

        2 years ago

        Now wouldn’t that be something! If they get Ohtani Santa Clause does exist! Love the optimism.

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      • JoeBrady

        2 years ago

        It’s still entirely possible. Way too many fans need a safe space every time their team trades a player. But it is impossible to make a judgement until all the moves are made.

        Maybe Preller made a request that Preller be given a $350M budget, and maybe this is step one in adding Ohtani, Lee & Yamamoto. They still wouldn’t surpass their 2023 budget.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 years ago

          Maybe *Seidler* made a request

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  105. 99socalfrc

    2 years ago

    Grisham was one of the only guys on the Padres defense playing his natural position. Preller will certainly plug in someone at CF in a video game fashion. This guy never learns.

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  106. Ratherbesailing

    2 years ago

    I’m glad the Blue Jay’s are not in this rumor anymore. Giving away the farm is not the greatest idea.

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      Jays fans can enjoy hanging around being in the final wild card contention mix. If I was a obnoxious Yankees fan (not all of them are) that’s what I would have said.

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  107. rsoxfan4ever57

    2 years ago

    Fuc…ing Yankees make me sick $&@)&&

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  108. PinstripedPride

    2 years ago

    Andy Martino and Jack Curry are both saying that the package will be Michael King, Drew Thorpe, Jhonny Brito, Randy Vasquez, and Kyle Higashioka.

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  109. TennVol

    2 years ago

    King and Thorpe alone would be a strong overpay for one year of Soto, adding more pitching prospects and Grishams salary is just a bit crazy. I was really hoping the Jays would not trade for him and just try for him next year when he is a FA. The Jays have shown that they will match up for anyone they believe in. I respect them pursuing Ohtani and hope they get him but going after Soto next year where it only costs money is a better bet.

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    • Joel P

      2 years ago

      Grisham has positive trade value

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    • Deleted Userr

      2 years ago

      Like Joel P said, adding Grisham’s salary isn’t a negative for the Yankees. It is a positive.

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      • YanksPhan42

        2 years ago

        Yeah, I mean where else could we have gotten an 80 OPS+ plus, .190 hitter with 150 K’s last year. Oh wait…..we had a whole roster of them.

        Grisham is Bader with less contact. Could have Florial do the same job.

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      Xmas bonuses for the Jays PR and marketing department.

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  110. Chicks dig bunting

    2 years ago

    Hearing it’s 5 6 players going to Padres. Good luck with that trade

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  111. Deez Cardinals

    2 years ago

    Good luck to the Yanks. Trying to buy a championship usually turns out disappointing just ask the padres. I feel Soto is overrated….

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    • rocky7

      2 years ago

      First….its a trade not paying exorbitant prices in free agency……and secondly……Yeh, guess that didn’t work out too well for Texas this year either right?
      Okay, back to the midwest bunker with you…….thanks for the commentary!

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      2 years ago

      All-in or all-out. No half-measues like Gibson and Lynn.

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  112. 10centBeerNight

    2 years ago

    Wow. Literally the farm. This better work. WFAN overnight incel panic

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  113. chemfinancing

    2 years ago

    Going to be some big names moving to San Deigo here. Clarke Schmidt, Domeguez, Vlope, Cabrera, or Peraza

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    • chemfinancing

      2 years ago

      what ever it will be, it will be the Yankees over-doing it this off-season maybe they should have just knuckled up and signed Ohtani and show him a true American welcome.

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      None of those names it appears

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      • chemfinancing

        2 years ago

        You are sure right my friend. have a great evening.

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  114. TrillionaireTeamOperator

    2 years ago

    Higashioka, too!? Wow. Yankees are really clearing house of mid-level and platoon level players for Soto.

    I’m gonna be honest- these guys they’re giving up are all depth pieces- yes, 1 or 2 could shake out to be major league starter level good to great, but for the most part, they’re lottery tickets.

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    • Joel P

      2 years ago

      Yankees need lefty bats. Rortvert is now the backup catcher lefty bat. It makes sense.

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      • TrillionaireTeamOperator

        2 years ago

        Yeah. a healthy Rortvedt would match or exceed Higashioka’s offensive output and be an acceptable defensive/pitch framing catcher.

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  115. dave frost nhlpa

    2 years ago

    Too much.

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    • KyleT

      2 years ago

      “Too much” is incorrect.

      Its Waaaay Too Much.

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  116. This one belongs to the Reds

    2 years ago

    Padres about to get major salary relief.

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  117. scjohn92

    2 years ago

    Hopefully the Padres are including $20 Million to offset some of Soto’s expected salary for 2024.

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    • Joel P

      2 years ago

      That’s not going to happen.

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    • KyleT

      2 years ago

      Padres are trying to cut payroll, they’re not sending a dime.

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    • TrillionaireTeamOperator

      2 years ago

      You’re joking, right? The whole point of this trade is ultimately salary relief for the Padres. All of those Yankees combined are gonna make like $6.5M or so at the major leage level- and that’s the point of this. The Yankees are taking between $31.5M and $38M off the Padres roster in the form of Soto and whoever else is included.

      If the Padres were required to give the Yankees $20M to cover those players, this deal would not happen in the form it is (probably) happening. The Padres wouldn’t get all those players if they also had to ship $20M to the Yankees. That’s nutter butters.

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  118. towinagain

    2 years ago

    Yankees mauled us. Horrible

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    • Poolhalljunkies

      2 years ago

      What were you expecting for 1 year and 30 million dollar price tag?

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      • Joel P

        2 years ago

        Go back and read the post in this site a couple days ago about Soto. This guy and many other Padees fans were expecting some insane trade package.

        I think this actually looks pretty good for the Padres. They can sign the centerfielder from the KBO and go get another pitcher and they are looking alright

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      • Deleted Userr

        2 years ago

        He’s a liar XD XD XD

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          Hey its one of those guys!

          Yeah you thought the Padres had all this leverage and would only trade Soto for some gigantic overpay.

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        • KyleT

          2 years ago

          “Yeah you thought the Padres had all this leverage and would only trade Soto for some gigantic overpay.”

          I think towinagain was being sarcastic.

          This was a huge overpay.

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          No he’s not being sarcastic he’s mad because he thought the Padres would get more for Soto.

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        • KyleT

          2 years ago

          Thats insane, Yankees gave up enough for 2 Soto’s.

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        • 161River

          2 years ago

          Coming from a jealous Sox fan…

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      • Deleted Userr

        2 years ago

        CJ Abrams, MacKenzie Gore and James Wood?

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      • towinagain

        2 years ago

        I hope your on the other end of one of these deals some day.Enjoy when it comes back to you

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        • Joel P

          2 years ago

          Dude I am a Cardinal fan. I wanted the Cardinals to trade both Goldschmidt and Arenado at the trade deadline. I understand how payroll works I get it. Pujols leaving was the best thing that could have happened to the team after 2011.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 years ago

          I made that point ad nauseam. It isn’t just the prospects you get back. It is also $60M or so that the Cards would’ve been able to spend.

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    • TrillionaireTeamOperator

      2 years ago

      The Yankees have a shockingly thin system, both below and at the major league level, so there wasn’t much for them to give up in the first place, which is why they tried to avoid giving up guys like King, Brito, etc. in the first place.

      The Yankees needed a left handed power bat and an outfielder and they got that in Soto. They had to give up whatever they could for that and they gave what they had available that wouldn’t otherwise gut them and leave so many other gaping holes that Soto wouldn’t have mattered.

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    • Anthony maresca

      2 years ago

      You got 3 starters who step right in your rotation today and a possible #2 in Thorpe in 2025. Im willing to bet all 3 win 10+ games in that weak division

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      • towinagain

        2 years ago

        None of these guys will even make the team. Bookmark this post. Horrible system the Yankees have.

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      • JoeBrady

        2 years ago

        They likely got a good #3 and two RPs for the upcoming season.

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    • iml12

      2 years ago

      One man’s trash is another man’s treasure.

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      Excellent return for SD.

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      • iml12

        2 years ago

        A bunch of supporting cast, easily replaceable for Yankees. It does fill a lot of holes for Padres.

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  119. ericm25

    2 years ago

    ericm25
    the Yankees still won’t be in the world series. still need pitching and the Yankees still don’t have enough of that. you have cole and that’s it.

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  120. YankeesBleacherCreature

    2 years ago

    Goodbye, Higgy! Perhaps you’ll get a chance to reunite with your old buddy Sanchez.

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      2 years ago

      @Clip Hey dude!!

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  121. mlb fan

    2 years ago

    If the Yankees give up too much or a lot, Scott Boras will take them to the cleaners, knowing the Yankees HAVE to re-sign him after giving up so much.

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    • towinagain

      2 years ago

      Yankees didn’t give up !@#& for Soto. I hope this trade bites em in the rear

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  122. YanksPhan42

    2 years ago

    Not a fan of this deal at all. If we were going to give up King PLUS 3 cost controlled young starters, we should have gotten a player with more than one year of control.

    For the hippies on here that aren’t familiar with these players and just assume they’re trash because their Yankees…..

    Thorpe was minor league pitcher of the year for ALL of MLB. Brito was filthy out of the pen with a high 90’s sinker. Vasquez was more than solid in a spot starting role and has great stuff. King has been a relief ace for a while and was disgusting as a starter. Higgy was for Grisham. A wash of guys we both tendered in hopes of getting crumbs back like I said.

    Soto is a top 5 lefty hitter, but this is quite a strong return for one year

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  123. Deleted Userr

    2 years ago

    Pathetic to trade a future HOFer and not even get Dominguez out of it.

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    • TrillionaireTeamOperator

      2 years ago

      Padres were looking for salary relief and were trying to set themselves up for the future, potentially. Giving up Dominguez would have made it pointless.

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      • Deleted Userr

        2 years ago

        I meant the Padres GET Dominguez in the trade.

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  124. Salzilla

    2 years ago

    I don’t think giving up both King and Thorpe is super wise for a rental of Soto, who to me is overrated anyway. This isn’t a World Series team either way so why do this? What’s Cashman thinking here? Take one of the two out and I say ok better, but as constituted eh. Soto is a band aid not a cure.

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    • drasco036

      2 years ago

      Now they just have to buy a couple starting pitchers, a couple relievers, and a lead off hitter.

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    • Yanks2

      2 years ago

      If one of the top 5 players consistently since their rookie year is overrated then yeah you’re right

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      • Salzilla

        2 years ago

        I don’t rank him that high personally. Not enough SBs. 2022 brings him down a bit, too. He’s very good, but I feel like short term he’s not worth the expenditure and long term I feel like his profile is going to be Stanton 2.0.

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        • Yanks2

          2 years ago

          Has one of the highest OBP. in baseball and I don’t think stolen bases paint the full picture on nearly how good a player is versus OBP and BA

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  125. yan-key

    2 years ago

    Haha. imagine they don’t sign Sanchez now because of Higgy. Sanchez is going to hate that guy

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  126. frankf

    2 years ago

    So now do they sign him up for the Giancarlo Stanton plan where they extend him through 2038 and the fantasy turns on him by 2026?

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  127. StreakingBlue

    2 years ago

    Finally the Yankees are dumping the long ball or die approach. Not sure on the prospects going back, but good deal player wise Yankees. Surprised the Padres were able to get payroll relief, and multiple players back.

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  128. brave from the woods

    2 years ago

    Man, the Yanks will get reamed on this one…. Love it when it happens to NY teams!

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    • PinstripedPride

      2 years ago

      I don’t like that we gave up four pitchers, but it is Juan freaking Soto. How exactly will we get “reamed”, pray tell?

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      • Salzilla

        2 years ago

        For a rental? Soto doesn’t make this team a contender. He didn’t for a much better team in San Diego and I say this as a NYY fan. If he’s signing, fine, but otherwise too much for a rental.

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          Even if he signs better to just wait a year and sign him and keep the pitchers.

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      • mlb fan

        2 years ago

        “How exactly will we get reamed”.
        ….Wait till all the bills come due. By giving up so much the Yankees are now committed to re-signing Soto. There’s no way they can give up this much player capital and then let Soto walk in Free agency. Soto’s agent, Scott Boras, will use this newfound leverage to highjack the Yankees for a 500M+ 12 year deal. And then, in 2-3 yrs the Yankees will be paying a DH 41M per yr for the next decade plus.

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  129. stretch123

    2 years ago

    Why give up all this pitching for one year of Soto? IMO Yanks had other ways to improve offense. Could’ve signed Bellinger to man CF (putting Judge in his natural RF spot), flank Verdugo in LF and maybe even bring in a quality DH type to supplement Stanton and Rizzo (someone like Mitch Garver comes to mind).

    If they wanted Soto so bad they should’ve just waited a year until he was a FA.

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  130. thefallensoldier

    2 years ago

    Massive overpay but gotta respect the Yankees for going all in

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  131. algionfriddo

    2 years ago

    Yankees will need Grisham. Verdugo is no centerfielder. Judge & Soto need plenty of DH/rest time. Stanton is always injured and now is little better than Grisham offensively. Stanton is a swing and miss/groundball double play machine. I am a huge Stanton fan but he needs a new place to play at this point. Judge & Soto need 50% of their time at DH. Stanton is totally superfluous. Michael Taylor might be a good add to platoon with Grisham. Verdugo (NOT a fan) can be in a corner when Soto or Judge are at DH. I don’t trust Verdugo vs LHP. Taylor is helpless vs RHP. Judge is best kept away from CF. Soto is below average defensively.

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    • rocky7

      2 years ago

      What a stupid comment…..Soto played 162 games last year, and Judge 106 with 140+ the previous 2 years….even after being injured….neither needs “plenty of DH rest time”…..do you even watch a game or just talking out of your ass…..Stanton has been an injury problem and that will cause some DH juggling but no interest in Michael Taylor at all….especially given you comment about how he is helpless vs RHP…..

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  132. UGA_Steve

    2 years ago

    So many Yankees fans upset with this and I just don’t see it. I get not wanting to lose Thorpe, but that’s basically all you are giving up.

    King is a setup guy, and those come and go and blow out arms at a regular pace. He is a small piece, but not something you cannot offset.
    Higashioka is an aging catcher that is below league average to begin with, both offensively and defensively. He is a fan favorite only because he allowed for them to bench Sanchez.
    Brito is nothing. A contact pitcher with an ERA over 4 in upper minors
    Vasquez is nothing. A little more miss to his stuff than Brito, but with an upper minors ERA at almost 5.

    To me, this would be like the Braves giving up AJ Smith-Shawver, Nick Lopez, Joe Jimenez, and two pitchers not in their top-30 prospect list. It would be a no brainer even for one year. .. and I think Soto is overrated personally … but it would still be a no-brainer. Too bad the Braves don’t have bottomless pockets where they can laugh at the luxury tax.

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    • El Niño

      2 years ago

      Yankee fans described king as “untouchable” and a major piece of the rotation.

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  133. driftwood bat

    2 years ago

    Soto playing half his games at Yankee Stadium, he will end up hitting 50 or more home runs in 2024.

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    • Seamaholic

      2 years ago

      Soto doesn’t pull all his HR’s, not at all. He actually might not up his power game at all.

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  134. JoeBrady

    2 years ago

    Grisham is an odd addition. I think he’d look good between Soto and Judge, but then where/when would Verdugo play? And if Verdugo starts, then Soto, Judge in CF, and Verdugo is a fielding problem.

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    • larkraxm

      2 years ago

      Verdugo was not added to start. He is a fourth outfielder. Aaron Hicks/ Billy Mckinney upgrade.

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      • Anthony maresca

        2 years ago

        What??? Verdugo is their LF and potential leadoff hitter. They did not trade 3 pitchers and pay $9 million to be a 4th OF!!!

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    • JackStrawb

      2 years ago

      Assuming Stanton misses another 1/2 a season, that gives the Yankees 567 lineup slots in 162 games to play with for Verdugo, Judge, Soto, and Grisham, including 81 games at DH.

      That’s 142 games apiece. Obviously you’ll slant the slots towards Judge and Soto, and you’ll want some of those DH games for other players, but it lets them rest Judge more, it lets them accommodate significant injuries to one of the non-Soto three, it lets them more freely use Grisham as a defensive sub, and at worst they end up wishing they’d been able to give Verdugo or Grisham another 15-20 starts.

      It’s strangely smart, from Cashman.

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  135. PinstripedPride

    2 years ago

    Morosi just tweeted that the deal is being finalized now. It’s happening.

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  136. JackStrawb

    2 years ago

    The Yankees have entered ‘stuporous overpay’ territory.

    Soto

    2022–3.9 bWAR
    2023–5.5 bWAR

    He’s been worth 2/3 what Marcus Semien has been over the last two seasons. Plus the Yankees will also be paying Soto’s $33m arb award.

    This is Cashman’s substitute for thinking, planning, and evaluating, just as adding Josh Donaldson was. As adding Stanton was. As… etc etc.

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  137. JoeBrady

    2 years ago

    I still have no idea if the Padres still plan on spending, and neither do the Padre fans that insist that they will.

    But hopefully this answers the question of what a one-year $32M player is worth. The Padre fans were never going to get what they expected.

    I’m also not sure where the NYY are going with this. I believe this brings them to ~ $285M, They have an ace in Cole, and maybe Schmidt is weakish #3. I assume they think Rodon will return to form, but it feels like they are short of starting pitching.

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    • Seamaholic

      2 years ago

      I don’t know why you think this isn’t what the Padres were expecting. This is a truck load of assets. I LOVE this if I’m the Padres.

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      • JoeBrady

        2 years ago

        Padre fans were thinking that they were getting multiple high prospects. I don’t think this is a bad return or anything, and I think they can rebuild pretty quickly off of this, while not even tanking 2024.

        But Soto, at $33M, was never going to be worth what some of the SD fans thought they were getting.

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    • YourDreamGM

      2 years ago

      Unless they dump their mega contracts they are spending. Additional mega contracts or large contracts being added are looking doubtful.

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    • JackStrawb

      2 years ago

      @JoeBrady The Rodon signing felt like a response by Steinbrenner to getting booed at Yankee Stadium rather than the result of coherent thinking and wise planning on behalf of the front office, particularly given how it puts them into the upper strata of tax penalties for at least four more years. Cortes will probably rebound to some degree, but they’re still light particularly if they make it to October, unless they get very, very fortunate with Rodon both in durability and in the caliber of his performance.

      As for Soto, it’s hard to believe the Yankees are willing to pay the rumored cost in talent for the 5-win DH when his arb award figures to be in the low $30s. It feels like another lunge by ownership in the wrong direction.

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    • larkraxm

      2 years ago

      Looks like they plan on scoring enough runs that it won’t matter who starts??

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    • El Niño

      2 years ago

      All I heard from Yankee fans was king and Thorpe are untouchable. Lol

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      • larkraxm

        2 years ago

        That was so the Padres would feel like they got something.

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        • El Niño

          2 years ago

          Surrrrre

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  138. mlb fan

    2 years ago

    Cashman got played. A good GM would slow play the Padres and wait for Padres desperation after they realize that no orher team was gonna give up a boatload of young players and pay Soro’s exorbitant salary.

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    • Deleted Userr

      2 years ago

      Soto’s salary isn’t exorbitant at all. Where else are you going to get his kind of production for less?

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      • mlb fan

        2 years ago

        “Isn’t exorbitant”…Wait till the rest of the bills come due. The Yankees gave up so much, there’s no way they can let Soto walk after next year. That’s when Scott Boras uses this new found leverage to high jack them for 500M+, all for a player that has one awesome tool and FOUR below average tools.

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        • Deleted Userr

          2 years ago

          Not exorbitant once you take his production into consideration.

          And of COURSE they can let Soto walk. Elite players leave in FA all the time.

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        • Anthony maresca

          2 years ago

          Soto will walk because no way on hell does Hal pay Soto more than Judge money. Only way Soto returns is that he loves his time being a Yankee that he signs an extension during the season for less than $40 million per or he is good as gone. Ill take my chances with Volpe, Wells, Dominquez, Jones and Peraza all continuing their developments and become good to excellent players.

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        • Yanks2

          2 years ago

          Soto is light years better than Aaron Judge in postseason stats. It’s not even close. Judge is useless. Soto is always clutch

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      • larkraxm

        2 years ago

        The Yankees are replacing Hicks (10 million) and Donaldson (25 million), with Soto (33 million). Sounds pretty darn good to me!

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    • Matthew De Lorge

      2 years ago

      100%. Cashman has deteriorated as a GM. He should have been given walking papers after last offseason.

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  139. HALfromVA

    2 years ago

    As a fantasy owner of Judge for the last 4 years, I LOVE this trade! Put Grisham in CF, and Judge can be full time DH, after Stanton pulls both hamstrings jogging to 1st.

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    • Seamaholic

      2 years ago

      Judge is a good defender. Why would you want him to be a DH? I think you trade Grisham or (preferably) Verdugo now. Or use Verdugo as a 4th OF (preferably).

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    • Anthony maresca

      2 years ago

      Better yet if he struggles he simply rides the bench.

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  140. Oddball Hererra

    2 years ago

    The Yankees also appear to be acquiring the Padres’ lack of rotation depth as part of this deal

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  141. nacb55

    2 years ago

    Too many comments to fully read through this but if I were the Padres- any Soto trade would have had to include Xander to get from under that stupid contract. I’d even consider taking Stanton back so payroll will be fixed sooner vs later and take Volpe or Verdugo too.

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  142. YanksPhan42

    2 years ago

    Wondering if Cashman gets Stanton to waive his no trade clause. Package him, money and a solid prosect to get him out of here.

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    • PinstripedPride

      2 years ago

      I was thinking that this morning while contemplating all that money the Yankees are now taking on plus the crowded lineup. Soto in right field with a $31 million salary, Verdugo in left field with somewhere around a $10 million salary, Judge in center field (which he shouldn’t be playing due to health worries), Dominguez needing to play once he returns from the IL, potentially another outfield signing with a Kiermaier, Lee, or Bellinger…. The team simply cannot fit everybody into the lineup or have proper playing time to start off the year.
      It would be great if somehow the Dodgers would take Stanton in a partial or full salary dump. Stanton would waive his NTC for LA, definitely. Perhaps some time with Van Soyoc would revitalize G-Man the way that it did for JD Martinez.

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      • AmericanRedneck

        2 years ago

        I’d say the Yankees are done with their outfield after this trade for the time being. They’re still gonna get a starter and some infielders, imo. Stanton to LA, for who? Would you package him with Volpe or Oswald, if LA values ones over the other, the most recent I can remember is the Mets deal for Cano as a recent bad contract packaged with value and get the whole salary paid, like Seattle did. Yet just months ago, Cashman released Hicks with 30M and 3 years left on his deal, couldn’t find a taker for a young-ish guy on a low AAV deal who can play the field and had recent success, that was surprising. I couldn’t see that with G, not yet. I personally expect Stanton to bounce back, he seems big on accountability and taking ownership. I wouldn’t give him away quite yet. Another -1 WAR season in a position that revolves around offense, can’t continue down that path. However, I feel the Dodgers could pivot from Shohei if he signs elsewhere and explore a full-time DH and Stanton as a “buy low” guy, wouldn’t be out of the question either. A potential big bat for just money and a blue chip prospect, sign me up. Maybe.

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    • larkraxm

      2 years ago

      Why would you pay Stanton to play somewhere else?? Stanton is sunk cost. Quit thinking about “moving him” and start thinking about the stretches next year when Judge, Stanton, and Soto are all healthy. Have fun AL pitching staffs.

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    • Anthony maresca

      2 years ago

      If they bench him that mat very well happen

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  143. Baseball_dude

    2 years ago

    Boring, generic, obvious, and just bad for baseball. Garbage deal

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  144. Motor City Beach Bum

    2 years ago

    And the rich get richer.

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  145. Matthew De Lorge

    2 years ago

    There is no way this is a good deal if they’re giving up 4 arms of that caliber for one year of this guy. unless there is an extension in place, which Borass will never allow. .

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    • JackStrawb

      2 years ago

      @Matthew De Lorge Boras is required by law to defer to his clients’ demands. Not to say he’s not a sleaze, but he’s required to faithfully report his clients statements that his clients want reported to teams, and to report serious offers to his clients..

      And if Soto says, after two weak seasons (for him) “find out if they’ll give me what the Nats offered. I’ll take it if they do’ all Boras can say is “how high?”

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      • Matthew De Lorge

        2 years ago

        But he CAN suggest and influence. Soto is also a kid still by most measures. I trust the influence Borass can push onto a young player more so than not. If this was a 30 year old veteran player I can totally see your point, but that is not the case here.

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  146. larkraxm

    2 years ago

    A lot of negative comments. Mostly sound like envy. Good deal or bad deal won’t be known until the prospects either pan out or wash out. As a Yankees fan, I want the team to try to get better and try to win. Not every move will work out, but at least the Yankees are trying to win championships. I could not route for the Mariners, for example. They are not even trying to win, just dumping salaries because winning seems to be third or fourth on the priorities list. Don’t need my team to be right every time or win the world series every year, but they better be trying to win every year. Lots of haters coming at Yankees, seemingly because their team isn’t trying to win. Sorry Mariners fans, that seems like it would be very frustrating.

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  147. PaulyMidwest

    2 years ago

    Highway robbery. Soto is good but Thorpe is gonna be an ace…and he is a rental. Yankees are desperate

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    • Brew88

      2 years ago

      Thorpe like many prospects at mid level is a long shot to be an impact MLer

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      • larkraxm

        2 years ago

        Could need tj in 6 months and be toast??

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  148. The Former Player

    2 years ago

    It’s ‘Juan So-so’, not Juan Soto.

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  149. 377194

    2 years ago

    A helluva lot for a rental.

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  150. MLB Top 100 Commenter

    2 years ago

    I am waiting to see about one hundred apologies to Kevin Acee.

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    • Pads Fans

      2 years ago

      Why would anybody apologize to him for his lies?

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    • Brew88

      2 years ago

      Let’s see what the budget levels out at, but yes Acee seems to have received accurate information about the 200M estimate while Pads brass stayed quiet. Still, he’s an arrogant a-ho

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      • foppert1

        2 years ago

        Respect.

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  151. Pads Fans

    2 years ago

    This is interesting. ………..reddit.com/r/Padres/comments/18carz2/973thefan_bor…

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    • foppert1

      2 years ago

      Big pale Scotty wearing all cream. Ouch. Anyhow, it is interesting. He also said recently that he had been talking to the Padres and Soto was definitely in their 2024 lineup. From memory, he emphasised the fact that by stating they were looking for more LH bats, not less.

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  152. DJohn 2

    2 years ago

    This is why the Yankees struggle to make the postseason. Not only will they give up the pitchers that helped them in2023 when some of the big names got hurt, but they also give away future potential aces for one year of a player. How did that Montgomery trade work out? They traded him and got another starter in another trade that basically was hurt. Montgomery’s return was hurt himself. St Louis then flipped him for prospects. Montgomery had a great season and would have definitely helped the Yankees in 2023. Yankees need to get rid of Cashman, otherwise the roster will be bloated with aging players that will decline in production and/or get hurt more often and they won’t be able to get replacements without soaring past the luxury tax threshold every year.

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  153. Degaz

    2 years ago

    Reminds me of what I was 12 and got a lot of presents for Xmas and hated all of them….

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  154. JoeBrady

    2 years ago

    On a more interesting note, I assume that this is baseball’s first $100M outfield.

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  155. booneisbad

    2 years ago

    The Yankees need to get rid of Boone he’s destroyed all the talent he is so bad. and the Yankees need pitching they were the weakest ever and here they are going after Outfielders just bad management. George Sr is spinning in his grave how his kids destroyed his team

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    • luclusciano

      2 years ago

      Not sure how “Bbone destroyed all the talent”. Yankees were one of the worst 30 in run production and starting pitching. They need to generate runs to win games – and Soto and Verdugo give them that. They definitely need starting pitching to win games too- but they didn’t really give up any of main starters, just middle relievers. Yankees still have a bullpen, which will also need a little adjustment, but as long as they get a good starter who can eat innings and some minor bullpen pieces they will be ok.

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  156. slider32

    2 years ago

    Yanks cleared some prospects and clearly won this deal. Cashman moved King into the rotation to get maximum value for him. Thorpe’s best pitch is a change, the rest are AAAA players. Soto is a super star with a 6 WAR in his prime,

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    • jade 2

      2 years ago

      6 WAR or average of 4.7 WAR over last 2 years? Soto is a 1 tool player. The most important and a great tool yes, but the Yanks only got 1 year of a 4.7 WAR mediocre corner OF for a lot of cost controlled pitching. Think the Pads will get more than 5 WAR out of this deal?

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      • TrillionaireTeamOperator

        2 years ago

        You keep trying to convince yourself Soto is a bad player there, buddy. Also if you project out 2020’s numbers to a full season, that puts him at an 8.3 WAR for that year. Even assuming he misses about 17 games or so, that still puts him at 7.5 WAR on that season.

        That would then give him an average WAR of 5.76 so that would make this an equitable trade at worst and in all likelihood with the line up protection and the outfield support, all his numbers will be boosted as a Yankee and he’ll jump up to 6 WAR or better.

        Anybody saying a 4.7 WAR player isn’t that great just doesn’t like that player or that team. Anybody saying a 6 WAR player isn’t that great really really just doesn’t like that player or that team.

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  157. Dmac13

    2 years ago

    So I love the fact that Soto s bat would come to the yankees lineup but that’s a big haul… all of your pitching depth. Does this mean gil is your 1st replacement when Rodon gets hurt or if Nestor has a set back? With weissert gone and king Vasquez and Britto leaving we need another arm. Moving Soto to RF and judge to CF that’s a lot of running for the big guy who hasn’t had a lot of luck with his leg granted he’s not Stanton yet! I wish they could have immediately flipped Verdugo as part of this deal and still acquired grisholm. Yanks will now have to add 2-3 pitchers… a starter for 1 and someone to replace king as well as possibly peralta…is effross healthy? Hader and Yamamoto? I wish but man that a large amount of $$$$ Or are we going to see a reunion with montas and roll out matt krook…

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  158. smd

    2 years ago

    Maybe they’re overpaying, maybe they’re sacrificing too much pitching. But you have to admit, a middle lineup of Judge, Soto, and Stanton is lethal.

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    • Anthony maresca

      2 years ago

      Lethal??? Remove Stanton as he sucks. Soto, Judge and Dominquez, now thats lethal!!!

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      • Yanks2

        2 years ago

        Stanton is one of the only Yankees in recent memory who hits the ball during the playoffs. Judge, the captain, is as useless as a bag of potato chips in clutch situations

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  159. Javia135

    2 years ago

    The Padres must be pretty confident in signing Jung Hoo Lee because now they need 2 new starters in the OF. Jackson Merrill is their only quality prospect who will be ready by 2024, and he is a SS who has never played OF. Does Azocar start? Who else plays OF for SD besides Tatis?

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  160. TrillionaireTeamOperator

    2 years ago

    Assuming the trade is completed, I think ultimately it will take 13 years/$533M to extend Soto, including his final season of arbitration. I cannot imagine a club going beyond $40M AAV for him or past 12 years. At some point it gets to be way too much money for one guy.

    I am not as negative as others are. There are people around here who talk about Soto like he’s due to crater at any minute and his passable to perfectly fine defense makes him a liability.

    I would be fine if I heard the Yankees extended Soto by 11 years/$430M or so. I could also see him wanting his contract to run concurrent with Judge’s, so that’d be 14 years/$550M or so.

    I’d be uncomfortable but not horrified by that.

    Why do people suddenly think Soto is worthless? A lot of people in this comment section seem to suddenly think he is worthless or that he is destined to disappear as a player sooner rather than later. Not saying that’s not a possibility, it is. It’s a possibility for every player, though, so why Soto in particular?

    He had his second best overall year in 2023 and statistically he will be peaking over the next 6 years, so at least 5 years of any deal will be worth or close to the value of the AAV he’ll eventually get… and everybody gets years tacked on. It’s the name of the game. It’s how players reach their financial milestones and it’s how clubs keep AAV’s down.

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  161. Anthony maresca

    2 years ago

    No way in hell do Yankees or any mlb team entertain 12/533 for a player with defensive liabilities and horrible on base paths. If he was an all around great player like Trout in his prime then yes. Yankees will pass at that amount but 12/440 for Soto has appeal at $36.6 avv for a DH player

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  162. rynoresumes

    2 years ago

    the Padres got a bunch of garbage. they traded away gore and get back two lottery tickets and 2 other pitchers and a 33 year old defensive catches only. and the guys they got in the trade are 28 and 25. I think preller should be shown the door fast. The Yankees farm is so deep they can give up so many guys and it not make a difference. think about all the prospects they have brought up and traded away over the years. they have a deep farm and they still have so many available to trade. I have a feeling the Yankees parted with the two lottery tickets because they saw signs they weren’t going to grow enough. just such a garbage deal. I don’t care how much you need pitching. these are number 2 and a relief pitcher.

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