Trade rumors regarding J.D. Davis have been prevalent throughout the offseason. The Giants were linked to Matt Chapman for nearly four months before getting a deal done last week. Now that Chapman has displaced Davis from the starting lineup, there’s again speculation about a subsequent trade.
The Giants signing Chapman doesn’t seem to have been conditional on a Davis trade, as the latter remains on the San Francisco roster five days later. Davis is probably overqualified for a bench role. He has played fairly regularly over the past five seasons between the Mets and Giants. Davis has turned in above-average offensive numbers in each of those seasons, although last year’s .248/.325/.413 slash line was his weakest since he established himself as a regular.
Davis has received some criticism for his glove. Public metrics had almost unanimously graded him as a below-average defender until last season. There was a split in his defensive grades in 2023. Defensive Runs Saved still considered him among the worst third basemen in the league, grading him 11 runs below average. Statcast, by contrast, viewed his work as four runs better than par. No one would consider Davis comparable to Chapman with the glove, but pairing average or better defense with his power potential would make him a good everyday player.
That alone doesn’t mean the Giants need to trade him. San Francisco could keep him on hand as a quality depth option for this season. It’s not an ideal roster fit. Beyond Chapman, the Giants have Wilmer Flores as a righty-hitting corner infielder and will use Jorge Soler at designated hitter.
While Davis would have the ability to pursue an everyday third base job in free agency next winter, he doesn’t have much recourse right now. He said over the weekend that he’s willing to do “whatever the team needs,” even as he called the signing “definitely surprising” and stated he was unaware the team was adding Chapman before it was reported publicly (comments relayed by John Shea and Shayna Rubin of the San Francisco Chronicle).
Carrying Davis in a limited role is a suboptimal outcome for the Giants. He’s making $6.9MM after winning an arbitration hearing. That’s a lot to commit for a player used sparsely off the bench. Yet even if the Giants decide they’d prefer to offload Davis’ salary, Chapman’s late signing date could complicate those efforts.
A number of teams have publicly declared they’re near or at the level at which they’re willing to spend. Some clubs might view Davis as a slight upgrade over their in-house third basemen but not want to add a near-$7MM salary less than three weeks before Opening Day. Free agent spending on infielders was down all offseason and has gone particularly cold in recent weeks. Players like Tim Anderson ($5MM), Amed Rosario ($1.5MM) and Gio Urshela ($1.5MM) inked one-year pacts for salaries below what Davis will command. The Urshela contract, in particular, doesn’t point to a robust demand for third basemen.
Where will that leave the Giants? Will whatever trade interest they receive in Davis over the next few weeks be strong enough that they deem it preferable to keeping him?
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Mariners seem a logical destination for Davis, although a Urias/Rojas platoon isn’t going to kill us either. Davis would be an upgrade, but I don’t know if it’s enough to substantially move the needle.
Stevil
I don’t see the fit. They’d be right back where they started with Ks and without a huge boost on defense and just mediocre power.
If they acquired him, it would speak volumes of how they feel about the current defensive options.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
@Stevil I was looking at Davis’s strikeout percentage after I wrote this post and didn’t realize it was so high. 152 strikeouts in like 480 at-bats. Yeah that is untenable. Agree with you.
GSWfanklay
Crawford for Davis and Lucrciano . They give ss to the prospect they have and Marco moves to a corner or of and mashes
dubtastic
add Bryan Woo and we got a deal..
dano62
DiPoto on line one…
case
I believe the NL has DH’s now?
Blackpink in the area
You need 10 guys for 9 spots. The 10th man always gets a lot of playing time. And at some point someone will get hurt.
DanUgglasRing
They also have flores and Wade and Conforto who could all also DH while someone else plays those spots. Davis just doesn’t really fit anymore. With Fitzgerald and Luciano also capable of playing well at 3B it makes sense to salary dump Davis to a team that will let him play every day.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
The giants should dump Wilma Flowers. He’s not that good in the first place.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
I know but Wilmer has probably never seen A League of Their Own. So he doesn’t know there’s no crying in baseball.
Blackpink in the area
How much trade value does Davis actually have? He’s a 4th year arb guy who has a career WAR of 3.1. That’s not a hot commodity.
GSWfanklay
Wilmer is the man 850ish ops last season plus clubhouse glue guy
geg42
Flores had a 136 ops + last year.
He is one of their best returning hitters.
stymeedone
Tacking on Barts contract will just reduce the return. Bart has negative value. He’s at best a 3rd C, and has no options remaining so he can’t be sent down. Think Sandy Leon, only you expect something back of value?
Joe Robbins
A Davis/ Bart package will get you a Single A backup player and a free Chalupa coupon from Taco Bell, good at any Taco Bell location in California. Do not forget that the Giants have to take on 90 percent of their salaries as well in the deal.
case
or take a page out of the Rays’ book and keep a lot of options open for pitching matchups. Soler and Davis can both play the field and limiting Davis’s AB’s based on pitching matchups might get the most out of him.
gravel
Why? Davis has neutral splits.
User 112202899
No Giants fan wants to see matchups
case
Neutral splits against every different type of pitch?
gravel
Only the ones thrown near the plate when he is at bat.
case
That’s bananas, he’s a one of a kind modern marvel.
gravel
He can hit bananas too!
Liberalsteve
More and more I’m thinking San Diego will easily get 2nd place. SF and Ariz are highly overrated
disadvantage
I don’t know in what world SF is overrated (most projections I’ve seen them have them ranked like 20th, most SF fans seem to have them ranked 30th while mumbling “Fire Farhan”), but it’s really a toss-up between those three teams. SF is probably most improved over the off-season, but are relying on a few too many things to go just right. AZ has a nice young core but didn’t do much to improve.
SD still has some star power, but lost Snell and Soto, as well as a few other starters (although I the haul from NY helps there), but they’re hardly a shoo-in for 2nd.
Gratefuljim
Arizona picked up a starter, resigned a great LF and got a banger for third and maintained a great bull pen. They are far better than SF or SD and will give every bit of headache to LA who will choke with pitching. 94+ wins this year with SF struggling to play ,500 ball.
Joe Robbins
Arizona , a great bullpen? It’s like saying that my team ( The Cardinals) have a great bullpen. It’s just not so… Jim, I do think Arizona will be better than San Fran or San Diego.
Kapler's Coconut Oil
Considering no one is really taking the Giants seriously as a threat (certainly not Giants Twitter), you might be the only one overrating them.
Blackpink in the area
Who is the Padres starting outfield? Starting rotation?
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Oh boy! Well Arizona actually has a starting rotation, unlike San Diego. Darvish/Musgrove’s elbows & shoulders are held together with fishing wire &
c-clamps. They have a right-fielder, two middle-infielders, a banged up third baseman/DH and then QUAD-A reprobates filling out the rest. Padres will be fighting Rockies for last place. Perplexing take Liberal Steve!
JackStrawb
Upvoted for “reprobates.”
Bravo, sir. Bravo.
San Farhancisco
How healthy do you think Yaz, Conforto, Flores, & Slater will be? IMO get rid of someone else.
worthington
get a clue.
bag o ballz
And what do you do with Davis? He has no way to fit in the lineup unless you move Flores which I wouldn’t do
stymeedone
Davis rotates between 1B, 3B, DH and LF giving guys valuable rest.
bag o ballz
so who are you DFAing or trading – and why don’t you want to let any of the young guys get time? that is a recipe to make the team more mediocre than it has been in recent years. Davis is a negative defender in the OF, unless soler is injured will be the everyday DH since he has even more negative defensive value meaning that keeping Davis is making him the backup 3rd basemen and backup 1st basemen to the RH of a platoon at the cost of a roster spot – it makes zero sense
5TUNT1N
The only better option is Conforto because of how highly he’s paid. Still doesn’t help JD get at bats really.
bag o ballz
I think if you have the opportunity to move conforto and pickup snell on a short high AAV deal yep you do it to keep you under the tax and give matos ABs but you still gotta do something with Davis, he is not a good outfielder
Fred
I say trade both Flores and Davis for arms and give the job to Villar. He’s got more power than both those guys and makes the minimum.
mab51357
Flores is going nowhere. Villar has had many chances but he’s a 4a player at this point. Pitch selection for him has been horrible. Unless there’s a couple injuries I don’t see him in the majors this year. Davis can play the same positions as Villar and much better offense. I still hope the Giants keep Davis and hope Melvin finds him some playing time. Put him in LF periodically. His defense can’t be any worse than Pederson, Ruf and Sabol.
TellItGoodbye
Flores makes 5mil a year, which he signed with no fanfare or negotiation. He’s the heart of this team. Never complains, usually delivers offensively. He’s not going anywhere.
Dump Conforto, Davis, Ramos, and Bart for whatever and a whatever to be named later, and give LF to Matos.
mab51357
Totally agree with Wilmer. He’s as good a teammate as there is. And he can hit and play a decent infield. He’s a very quiet leader and never complains. He’s a professional. Very under rated. It’s why I said he’s going nowhere. I, along with the majority of Giant’s fans would be sick if they let him go anywhere.
Fred
He’s overrated.
mab51357
You and I can disagree because he’s definitely not over rated. You must not follow the Giants as much as some others. Underrated by a lot. Watch him this season for the entire year. You will appreciate him more.
HalosHeavenJJ
Angels need a third baseman. Rendon is already hurt.
The prospect cost shouldn’t be high, which is good because our farm sucks.
acoss13
Angels can throw in Adell, not sure if a JD Davis/Joey Bart combo would do it for you guys. I only mention Adell since he’s out of options I believe.
Fred
I like that deal for the Giants. The Giants are one injury away from Bryce Johnson in centerfield again.
oldgfan
Johnson is a Padre.
Lee is backed by Slater, Yaz, Matos, and Fitzgerald, so probably not.
HalosHeavenJJ
Adell is out of options.
GSWfanklay
Who says no… Giants > Trout
Angels> Eldridge Reggie Crawford Whisnhunt, Lucrciano
HalosHeavenJJ
Trout says no. I can’t see him leaving here unless he’s either going home, lining up for a ring, or both.
GSWfanklay
That’s why he’d go to sf for a ring
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
Trout’s missed alotta games the last few seasons….
TellItGoodbye
Not a chance. Trout’s MVP years are sadly behind him. IL list by May.
TellItGoodbye
Davis, Bart, Ramos, no cash for a couple of mid-level prospects.
User 4223176798
Davis, Bart and Ramos will get you a pack of bubblegum. No value. Bart will be DFA’d and will be free for teams holding out. Ramos is on his last legs too. Davis?
TB Sox NY
I thought Bart was going to be the next Posey?
TellItGoodbye
We all did. He has the talent, but is a total head case.
PKVA
Deal
Joe Robbins
Lol
bag o ballz
The Giants don’t need minor league pitching, it needs to be top of the rotation otherwise there are a good 3 or 4 arms that can slot into the back end already. What Davis should be moved for is a draft pick if possible to make up for the qo on Chapman and then a shirt high AAV deal should be done for Snell
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
Too bad you can’t trade draft picks in baseball….
bag o ballz
you can trade comp picks
bag o ballz
if you trade for a comp round A it has roughly the same value as Davis, a comp round B has roughly the same vale as Bart. Currently the Giants lost their 2nd round pick on chapman so a comp round B would refill that missing spot in the draft
stymeedone
The comp pick has value. Bart does not. Think Sandy Leon, without the good clubhouse persona.
bag o ballz
that may be your opinion but he does have a small surplus value
Rsox
Davis is a fit for the Mariners, Angels, Rangers, Guardians, Brewers, and even the A’s depending on what the Giants asking price is
papad57
Guardians have Ramirez… Rangers have Josh Jung. The other 4 teams are a fit, but the A’s are not gonna double their payroll on one guy.
Rsox
Guardians don’t have a DH and really neither do the Rangers. Cleveland needs another bat and even Davis can fit into their finances, same with Oakland
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Rsox, I bet Wyatt Langford goes with the big club and is their starting DH on Opening Day.
Guard the Vogt
Guardians took that De Los Santos kid from Arizona in rule 5 draft, have Kyle Manzardo, AND Josh Naylor rn all fighting for 2 spots. Plus, if Rocchio beats out Arias for starting SS, Arias will be in the mix as well for DH.
Cleveland has no need for him on their roster… So, we’ll probably trade for him. Yay…
drasco036
The Guardians top prospect is a first base/dh and should make the roster out of spring training.
hockeyjohn
Guardians have Ramirez at 3B and Josh Naylor and one of their top prospects Kyle Manzardo for 1B/DH. They have no need for Davis. They are not going to block Manzardo with Davis.
Candlestoked
I hope Farhan has checked in with the Mets. Always fun to trade with the Mets!
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Mets want to see how far Baty will last at third base, don’t ya think? They will give him a long leash. Mariners are the best fit, maybe Blue Yays.
Windowpane
Dolan is not going to pay Davis almost $7 mill. Period.
CCCTL
“$7 mil? Can’t we pay like 10 minor league free agents with that instead?” -John Fisher
NoSubstitute
A’s are a perfect fit. Of course the Giants would need to pick up his salary. Or accept a trade for Aledmys Diaz and his $8M payday.
GSWfanklay
Willy Ademes?
GSWfanklay
Obviously giants have to give more then jd
NoSaint
Jays are a fit as well. That’s the talk on the Jays message boards
Jean Matrac
As a player, Davis isn’t that undesirable, other than his slightly elevated salary. If the Giants ate a couple million, he might bring back an interesting prospect.
acoss13
If they eat all of his salary they’d probably get some good pitching arms I think.
JayRyder
This guy swings at the first pitch every at bat. He needs to go.
melfman1
It wouldn’t surprise me if he winds up in New York. The Yankees could use a veteran bat on the bench, since both Peraza & Cabrera are basically the same player at this stage in their career. They both have lots of positional flexibility and neither have proven they can hit in the big leagues. I’d send down Peraza (to regain his swing) and have JD backup 1B/3B and Cabrera backup 2B/SS. The return prospect will depend upon how much the Giants are willing to eat of his salary.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Yeah because with Yankees tax status, $6 million dollar JD Davis becomes $12 million dollar JD Davis. Isn’t that a lot for a back-up?? Even for the Yankees?
melfman1
That’s why I mentioned SF picking up some of the salary. Plus there is no guarantee that both Rizzo & DJ stay healthy all year. He may get more at bats than expected.
mustache101
He would be a decent fit in Milwaukee black could go down to aaa to refine his game and possibly come up to play 2nd if Turang struggles with the bat again Ortiz could be a utility guy this year to get his feet wet as an mlb player plenty of at bats to go around for him as off days for 3rd ss and 2nd…. I know they have tried frelick there but he’s an outfielder… not sure what the trade would intail but if the brewers ate the salary it shouldn’t take to much and would open money for the giants to acquire a pitcher and help avoid competitive balance tax issues for them
kripes-brewers
Nah, I think a better use of money for the Crew is Monty. They can patchwork that batting line (at least JD’s last season) and defense at 3B with what they already have.
mustache101
I respect that opinion I don’t disagree… I just thought it may be a fit… don’t mean it is a perfect fit… but they need bats I don’t trust that rotation without another signing.. if we get 120 innings out of Miley that’s a win maybe 175 if we are lucky out of Freddy he has injury issues also… I don’t think Mis is ready and I’m not sure he’s a starter he screams reliever to me… gasser I’m not sold on he has a lot of pitches that are ok but nothing screams more then maybe a 4/5 we need offense black could be great but he needs another year he’s not a 3rd baseman 2nd at the best but probably 1st and he’s blocked this year there just my thoughts… it’s ok if I’m wrong just my thoughts…
mustache101
I like Monty but not what he’s looking for he wants two years
408inthe619
Flores has exponentially more trade value than Davis. He’s been our most consistent and reliable offensive player for several years now, and even at his age, I think teams would be more comfortable with his defense at 3rd.
Mets, Cubs, and others who have pitching depth might give up or concede more for Wilmer. Davis can take over the 1B platoon with Wade
mustache101
Although the brewers are also looking to add a mid level starting pitcher and I’m not sure how much they would stretch payroll… trust me there not pushing the tax line lol but it’s a fit if they could manage both in a weak division there chances increase a lot!!! With a great farm system gives them another bite at the apple
Guarded Indian
The Mariners and the Royals both make a ton of sense, Mariners more so.
Attystephenadams
There’s really no where for him to go unless the Giants pay almost all of his salary and any luxury taxes for his new team. And even then most teams aren’t going to want him because of his weak defense and lack of versatility. I think that the Giants are just stuck with him as an overpriced bench bat until someone’s DH goes down to an injury.
User 4223176798
The only way you can trade Davis for a player that can help NOW is to include a top 10 prospect.. Giants still need help if they are to be a .500 team this year. Farhan loves Wade so I doubt that Davis would move to first. It makes sense to trade Conforto but again, a top 10 prospect would be required to get a player that can help now. And where do they need help now? Pitching or another 30-home run capable bat. Castellenos? Good luck.
PKVA
I have a couple top 10 prospects…Bart and Ramos…at least top ten 10…in the Giants system..lol
2183281
The Giants have a clear lack in their rotation. I could see Davis and a high-level prospect being packaged with Bart and/or Ramos for an established starting pitcher. Who that person is, I don’t know the one that makes the most sense to me is Luzardo. He’s young, left-handed, controllable, and has a history with Melvin in Oakland. On the flipside, though, I don’t know if Miami has or would make him available for the right price. Just some random thoughts this morning.
crise
That prospect would have to be pretty amazing to land Luzardo, because a lot of teams offered way more than that over the winter and he’s still in Miami. Also they have no money so Bart and Ramos plus costy Davis better be accompanied by cash before you try to add this magical prospect to pay for Luzardo.
No, you can dump that pile on Miami, but you’ll be buying a much worse pitcher. They do have depth, but you’d only net a lesser one like maaaybe Cabrera or Meyers. at that point get get someone more MLB-ready from SEA.
stymeedone
Stop with Bart, already! He’s got no value, as he can’t be sent down. No other team wants to pay that contract. An in house minor league C is less expensive and has a higher ceiling, plus can be sent down when not needed.
Unclemike1525
Will the Giants trade JD Davis? Who wants him? That’s a better question.
acoss13
Cubs could use JD Davis. Then again I myself would personally prefer Davis over Patrick Wisdom, but that’s just my bias against him.
Unclemike1525
No they couldn’t. and Wisdom isn’t going to be around much longer anyway. Don’t worry about 3B for the Cubs. It’s in good hands. Morel-Busch-Shaw, One will step up and take it over. Even BJ Murray is better than Davis.
acoss13
As long as Wisdom isn’t an everyday guy at either 3B or 1B, he can be a bench bat for all I care to be honest. Although, it’s going to sound mean, but if Wisdom gets the DFA treatment, I’m not shedding a tear for him his bat sucks now…
Unclemike1525
Cooper in, Wiwsdom out. It’s that simple.
acoss13
If Cooper stays healthy I’d take him over Wisdom for sure.
Cheezpuff 2
Cubs need to drop Wisdom and trade for Davis. Madrigal is getting an MRI right now and injury prone. Cubs could use Davis as a stop gap as they wait and see what they have with Morel and Shaw. Giants need some veteran pitching depth with 2 of their SPs not projected back until the 2nd half. Cubs should try and send Smyly and cash for Davis. Smyly can start the first half for the Giants and then move to the pen as a Swing man spot starter. Both guys only have 1 year left on their deals so not a ton of risk in either direction and both check off a team need. Neither guy is sexy and going to excite anyone, but both are serviceable players.
PKVA
I’d do that deal…
Unclemike1525
Smyly and Davis make about the same money. The Cubs are trying to GET RID od Smyly’s salary not take up more dead money money and a player they can’t use. But other than that, I’m sure you think it’s a great trade for the Giants. Cubs fans think it sucks. Just take Smyly. For 11 million for 1 year he’s cheaper than Lorenzen or Clevinger.
Jean Matrac
As a Giants’ fan I don’t think it’s a good trade. The Giants need a #2 SP. Smyly is a back end guy. The Giants have plenty of back end guys. They want to look at. what they have in their young arms, and they have more of them than they have back end rotation spots. And Smyly is probably not going to be any more productive than what they already have.
Cheezpuff 2
Smyly is set to make almost 4mil more than Davis and the Cubs don’t need him. In fact Cubs don’t have enough guys with options in the pen which is going to make it hard to bring in fresh arms during the season. Getting rid of Smyly will also free up a BP spot for a guy with options. Davis would be more valuable to the Cubs as they sort out 3rd base and Smyly more valuable to the Giants because they need temporary veteran pitching depth to start and with is success out of the pen, he doesn’t become dead weight when they get their starters back from injury. I don’t think the Giants do the trade if they have to take on more money, but if the Cubs make it even, it could make sense for both teams. Maybe Cubs wait and see on Madrigal’s injury first or depending if they have any interest in someone picking up Wisdom. They’d need to let at least one of those 2 go to make it work.
Cheezpuff 2
Yea… I can see your perspective, cubs are kind of in the same boat which is why I want Smyly gone. He is fine out of the pen, but the no options thing doesn’t work super well for the cubs right now. Was hoping for a player with not much value to their current team swap. Unfortunately, I don’t think Davis is going to bring in much on a trade either.
Unclemike1525
Madrigal and Wisdom are gone. The CUBS DON’T NEED A 3B! I really can’t emphasize that enough. They like what they have.
Jean Matrac
The Giants don’t want a guy like Smyly. Zaidi said so at the beginning of the offseason when he said they would be open to a TOR arm, but weren’t interested in back end guys.
The plan has always been to cycle through guys like Winn, Whisenhunt, Teng, Black, and Roupp for the back end spots. Beck was also in that group but his injury has pushed that back. But he should still be available to pitch this season.
And the only reason for them to trade Davis is to shed his salary. Trading for Smyly doesn’t solve that issue either.
Unclemike1525
At last, Common ground. Neither team wants the salary. Ta Da! Or needs the player.
abcrazy4dodgers
Today we learned Davis does not read MLBTR.
10centBeerNight
JD a good guy. Best of luck to him
JackStrawb
JD Davis actually makes more sense for the Mets than probably any other team.
Hear me out. They don’t have a 3Bman. They don’t have anyone at DH who’s anything like a decent bet to put up a 95 OPS+. The Mets were so badly run they were never able to teach him to field (SF did that), but at least they taught him to hit—125 OPS+ for 2019-2021, I think it was. As weak as the team is, they’re weakest at 3B and DH and there’s JDD in the event of total collapse (not unlikely) from Baty and Vientos. On the other hand it’s a lost season, so I can’t get too exercised about these details at the butt end of the roster.
As for this:
“Players like Tim Anderson ($5MM), Amed Rosario ($1.5MM) and Gio Urshela ($1.5MM)…”
Consider that Stearns gave Joey Wendle $2m. $2m!
Those must be some photographs!
It’s not a data point in Stearns’ favor.
Tom Price
Davis is as overrated as they come.
giants forever
why so much trade buzz surrounding Davis. play him@ 1st, Wade (1st/of) to the Bench/platoon and Flores in the super utility roll.
Jean Matrac
Why would you move Wade off a position that he’s been very good at? Wade is a better hitter and fielder than Davis, Last season Wade had a 119 OPS+, and 2.7 bWAR to Davis’ 103 OPS+, and 0.7 bWAR.
Plus Wade has knee issues so the OF, which is already crowded enough, is not a good position for Wade. Davis to 1B and Wade to the OF, or the bench makes the Giants worse.
GSWfanklay
Giants don’t want Wade in outfield he has balky knees
Blue Baron
“It’s not an ideal roster fit” and “Carrying Davis in a limited role is a suboptimal outcome for the Giants.”
Why say something just once if you can say it twice in different words?
Makes the piece that much longer if you’re struggling to fill out a word count.
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
Davis would be a good fit in Milwaukee at 1B/3B/DH. Unless their kids all perform well there’s gonna be 300 or 400 ABs available for a player like Davis.
Giants should sign both Snell and Montgomery. They have the cheese, so spend it.
Just gotta make it to the dance and who knows what might happen. See: Diamondbacks 2023!
GSWfanklay
Yes snell no Monty
DTI812
I wonder if they would take Darin Ruf?
Breck68
In my opinion SF don’t need to trade JD Davis but explore an extentson. Because they will need a third baseman in 2025. Yes I know they signed Matt Chapman but he has already said the he is optinng out after 2024. So Chapman should be traded at the deadline or as soon as he can be. Again this is just my opinion.