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Orioles To Promote Jackson Holliday

By Anthony Franco | April 9, 2024 at 11:59pm CDT

MLB’s top prospect is set to make his debut. ESPN’s Jeff Passan reports (X link) that the O’s plan to call up Jackson Holliday. The team has yet to announce the move.

Holliday, the #1 overall pick in 2022, has destroyed minor league pitching. Despite being a high school draftee, he reaches the majors after just a year and a half in the minor leagues. The lefty-hitting infielder traversed four levels in his first full professional season. Holliday raked at a .323/.442/.499 clip over 581 plate appearances last season. He spent the majority of that time between High-A and Double-A but made it to the top minor league level late in the year.

That meteoric rise made it seem that the Oklahoma native had a real chance to break camp. That didn’t happen, as Baltimore reassigned Holliday back to Triple-A Norfolk late in Spring Training. The 20-year-old has opened the year on a tear as part of a loaded Tides lineup. He’d collected 13 hits (including four doubles and a pair of home runs) with 11 walks and eight strikeouts over his first nine games.

The son of seven-time All-Star Matt Holliday, Jackson owns an excellent .321/.452/.497 batting line through 154 minor league games. In addition to his stellar offensive track record, he offers plenty of defensive value as an above-average or better middle infielder. Holliday has primarily played shortstop in the minors, but the O’s used him mostly at second base in Spring Training. Seven of his nine starts in Norfolk this year have come at the keystone, where he seems likely to break into the big leagues.

Holliday’s well-rounded profile has made him an essentially unanimous choice as the game’s best minor league talent. It’s the third straight season in which the O’s entered the year with a player whom most evaluators consider the sport’s top prospect. Holliday will now join Adley Rutschman, Gunnar Henderson and plenty more talented young players at Camden Yards. He should pair with Henderson in what has the chance to be a franchise-defining middle infield.

Baltimore has relied on Jordan Westburg — himself a former first-round pick and highly-regarded prospect — as their primary second baseman in the early going. The Mississippi State product has started slowly, hitting .195/.242/.355 through his first nine games. Westburg could slide over to third base if the O’s want to keep him in the everyday lineup. Ramón Urías and Tony Kemp, each of whom is on the roster as a multi-positional infielder, have struggled (albeit in exceedingly small samples). Westburg still has options remaining and could theoretically be sent back to Norfolk; the Orioles would need to designate Urías or Kemp for assignment to take either player off the big league club.

The O’s will likely reveal the corresponding move tomorrow. Holliday is not yet on the 40-man roster, but Baltimore has two vacancies. Unless they DFA a player who can’t be optioned, they’ll only need to clear active roster space. Whatever the transaction, Holliday will step into the lineup on an everyday basis.

The timing of the promotion surely isn’t coincidental. By calling Holliday up before the end of this week, the O’s are still in position to afford him a full year of service time. A player is credited with a full service year if they’re on an MLB roster or injured list for at least 172 days. Despite his two-week stint in the minors, Holliday will narrowly surpass that mark if he’s in the majors for good.

Promoting a top prospect just before the cutoff for a full service year would’ve been unlikely under the previous collective bargaining agreement. It was more common to see teams hold down their top talents until a bit past that date to secure an extra year of contractual control. The 2022-26 CBA introduced the Prospect Promotion Incentive to reduce the temptation for teams to keep their best young players in the minor leagues.

The PPI allows the Orioles to potentially win a draft choice if Holliday hits the ground running. A top position player prospect who accrues a full service year as a rookie (even if he’s not on the Opening Day roster) would earn his team an extra pick after the first round if he wins Rookie of the Year or finishes in the top three in MVP voting during his pre-arbitration seasons. Holliday still meets that criteria. The O’s already earned an extra pick in the 2024 draft when Henderson won Rookie of the Year last season. If Holliday also pulls off that feat (or hits the more difficult MVP finish within his first three years), Baltimore would get another pick.

Had the Orioles waited beyond this week to promote Holliday, they’d have forfeited the chance at the PPI selection. Keeping him in Triple-A for another few days would’ve prevented him from reaching a full year of service through the traditional method, but a top prospect can also “earn” a full service year with a top-two finish in Rookie of the Year balloting regardless of when he was promoted. If the O’s called Holliday up in May, for instance, he could have played his way to a full service year through his ROY finish without netting the organization the extra pick. That played out in 2022, when Rutschman finished second in AL Rookie of the Year voting despite being called up in late May.

There’s an argument that the Orioles should simply have carried Holliday on the Opening Day roster. GM Mike Elias pointed to the youngster’s limited experience at second base and facing left-handed pitching as reasons for starting him in Norfolk. A combination of Holliday’s torrid start there and middling production from their MLB infielders led the front office to reverse course rather quickly.

If Holliday is in the majors for good, he’d first reach arbitration after the 2026 season. He’d be under team control through the ’29 campaign. Any future assignments to the minor leagues could push that trajectory back, but the O’s and their fans are surely hopeful that won’t be necessary now that Holliday is getting his first look at big league arms.

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  1. It's in the CARDS

    1 year ago

    **Looks at calendar. Nods.**

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      1 year ago

      Cards – I see what you’re getting at. They wanted him to make his debut in the greatest ballpark in the world.

      Congrats to the kid, there’s no better place to start a career.

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    • richardnixon

      1 year ago

      Maybe look again, Chief

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    • njbirdsfan

      1 year ago

      Maybe the Cards should worry about getting some actual prospects to manipulate instead of worrying about other teams. Just a thought.

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      • LordD99

        1 year ago

        It’s not service-time manipulation. It’s service-time maximization.

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        • njbirdsfan

          1 year ago

          Oh I agree with you. But obviously any time a guy the mob thinks is being held back, they call it manipulation.

          Hell, Skenes has all of 7 innings in pro ball and they’re all over Nutting. The same people who had to rush Davis up and now is batting 8th and under .200.

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        • LordD99

          1 year ago

          There’s not much doubt he was sent down to get that extra year. Perhaps the new owners, now fully in charge, decided to do it the “right” way, depending on the calendar. I don’t trust anyone’s math here! Regardless, this is allowed under the CBA. It’s why they’re almost never challenged. The MLBPA would have to give back something really significant to change those rules. They’re not.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 year ago

          nj – The changes in the CBA did a great job of addressing and resolving service time manipulation.

          When Jackson was sent down and most people were angry, I wrote with confidence that it didn’t matter because he will likely finish Top Two in ROY.

          Here it is explained, again, from the above article:

          “a top prospect can also “earn” a full service year with a top-two finish in Rookie of the Year balloting regardless of when he was promoted.”

          Keyboard warriors like to rage about anything and everything, if it fits their agenda. That’s why I wish this place would remove all political comments immediately, because those who start with the politics are just looking for an excuse to rage.

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        • brodie-bruce

          1 year ago

          @njbirdsfan

          me personally i take each high profile rookie case by case when it comes to service time manipulation, and at a quick glance it does but i don’t think this is the case. most kids don’t shoot up that quick or if they do they seem to get overwhelmed, i took this as more of we don’t him right now and let’s not throw into the fire. also good on holliday for just tearing it up in spring and to start aaa and forcing his way up

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      • filihok

        1 year ago

        njbf

        Muted (attacking people’s ideas based on their fandom)

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    • rayw

      1 year ago

      172 days active is the requirement. He’s within that.

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    • DarkSide830

      1 year ago

      Didn’t take long to find a comment like this.

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    • Pads Fans

      1 year ago

      Reading the article BEFORE commenting is always a good idea.

      “The timing of the promotion surely isn’t coincidental. By calling Holliday up before the end of this week, the O’s are still in position to afford him a full year of service time. A player is credited with a full service year if they’re on an MLB roster or injured list for at least 172 days. Despite his two-week stint in the minors, Holliday will narrowly surpass that mark if he’s in the majors for good.”

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  2. danumd87 2

    1 year ago

    LET THERE BE LIGHT!!!

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  3. yogineely

    1 year ago

    Call em all up!

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    • RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame

      1 year ago

      Crazy that even after Holiday, they have at least 4 more guys in AAA who are ready to be called up now.

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  4. Charlie III

    1 year ago

    Does he get a full year of service time?

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    • snoopfrog

      1 year ago

      If I’m not mistaken, his callup would be effective tomorrow, and the last day of the season is September 28. That’s 171 days on a MLB roster. 172 is required for it to be considered a full season.

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      • Charlie III

        1 year ago

        Then wow, that is shameless.

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        • Blackpink in the area

          1 year ago

          While this is clear service time manipulation he’s still barely 20 years old. This isn’t as bad as Kris Bryant.

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      • LonnieB

        1 year ago

        Dang the luck. Only 1 day from a full season. It’s sucks they didn’t need him till today

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        • Anthony maresca

          1 year ago

          Its called manipulating the rookies clock so they gain an extra year of control. Its bush league and hard to believe why mlbpa does not prevent this in future negotiations.

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        • bronyaur

          1 year ago

          Everyone knows about this. If the union didn’t get this out of the contract, it is on them when teams do it. They opted not to give something up to get this practice banned.

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        • cwsOverhaul

          1 year ago

          UFA’s use every ounce of financial leverage pitting clubs against one another, which they should. Clubs can do the same with rules. Boras won’t be a friendly kitten when negotiating future extension terms for him……or in regard to Burnes. Business is business for both parties.

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        • angryyankeesfan1

          1 year ago

          They have the thing where if a player ranks highly in awards, they get a full year of service time and their team gets a draft pick if they started the year with the team.

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        • scooper16

          1 year ago

          If he were to win rookie of the Year, he would be awarded a full year of service time.

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        • njbirdsfan

          1 year ago

          Since we’re just going to let half the league into the playoffs, and the Orioles are going whether they had Holliday two weeks earlier or not, I’ll take the extra year of control. Thanks.

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        • LordD99

          1 year ago

          The MLBPA can’t prevent it unless they give something back elsewhere. The owners simply aren’t going to give it away. That’s how negotiations and a CBA work.

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        • Bob Sacamano 310

          1 year ago

          Yeah came here to say this. It’s even said in this story above

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        • User 401527550

          1 year ago

          Wouldn’t it be better to just offer him a 200 mil contract and lock him up.

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        • Informed Sportsball Discussion

          1 year ago

          @Bob The article did not say all that at the time of this discussion. Fairly important thing to note.

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      • Informed Sportsball Discussion

        1 year ago

        Oof.

        Can they spin that as a baseball decision with a straight face?

        Say whatever anyone will about AJ Preller. He doesn’t play these games.

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        • Waymann

          1 year ago

          @informed

          Just to play a bit of devil’s advocate, the Orioles have a few IFs that are off to awful starts in Urias and Kemp. Holliday has an OPS over 1.000 thus far this season in AAA which helps prove last year’s small sample size probably wasn’t a fluke.

          Another thing that might get lost in the shuffle is that the O’s are off to a 6-4 start and were a throwing error away from being 7-3 and also winning each of their first 3 series. They weren’t exactly tanking for an extra year of service time for Holliday.

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        • Informed Sportsball Discussion

          1 year ago

          @Waymann Fair points.

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      • geotheo

        1 year ago

        Last game is September 29. Tomorrow is the 10th. 21 days in April
        31 May
        30 June
        31 July
        31 August
        29 September
        Adds up to 173. He gets the full year.

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        • Longtimecoming

          1 year ago

          Still only 30 days total in April. 20 instead of 21.

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        • snoopfrog

          1 year ago

          Oh dang, you’re right. I misread that last date. I wasn’t sure if they would require a day to elapse before they counted it as a day, so I was counting 20 in April. Season ending on 9/29 makes it a moot point since that would be at least 172. My bad, folks.

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        • richardnixon

          1 year ago

          @Longtimecoming No he gets 21 days in April if he’s here on the 10th.

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        • deepseamonster32

          1 year ago

          Longtimecoming, the 10th to 30th is 21 days

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        • Torpedo Bat

          1 year ago

          I think he’ll finish top 2 in ROY so double moot!

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 year ago

          snoop – The season doesn’t end on September 29th, only the scheduled games do.

          According to MLB rules, the MLB regular season lasts 187 days.

          Count the days from March 28 thru September 30, you’ll get 187 days.

          He will have 174 days.

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        • Longtimecoming

          1 year ago

          30-10 isn’t 20?

          The reason they are calling him up is because it is the day that gets him the full year – the opposite of what so many are jumping on as service time manipulation.

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        • rocknwell

          1 year ago

          Because you have to count the 10th.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 year ago

          geo – Sorry, you’re wrong.

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        • User 401527550

          1 year ago

          Maybe but Carter and Langford are really good too.

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      • richardnixon

        1 year ago

        Did no one check snoopfrog’s math?

        Holiday will get the full year of service time.

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        • snoopfrog

          1 year ago

          Excuse me, my math was fine Mr. Nixon. I misread the last date of the season and may have misinterpreted whether to include the first day since some methods of counting time exclude that since a day hasn’t passed yet.

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        • geotheo

          1 year ago

          First day would count. If someone was called up for one day and sent down after the game they would still get 1 day service time. So if he’s up tomorrow it counts

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          1 year ago

          richard – Usually the first ten or so comments are always full of wrong information. People care more about speed than accuracy here, unfortunately.

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        • LordD99

          1 year ago

          You’re being kind, Fever. The wrong comments go more than ten deep. : -)

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      • danumd87 2

        1 year ago

        You are mistaken

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    • ham77

      1 year ago

      If he finishes top 2 in ROY I think he will.

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  5. That name is already taken

    1 year ago

    Whatever it takes to lead the O’s to another 1st round playoff exit lol

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    • FletcherFan69

      1 year ago

      OriLOLs

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      • FletcherFan69

        1 year ago

        Wackson Follyday

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      • DarkSide830

        1 year ago

        The GOAT David Fletcher is always good for a nice joke.

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      • Mi Casas es tu Casas

        1 year ago

        Why did you include your zip code? You want him to mail you a card first or something?

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      • unpaidobserver

        1 year ago

        RSVPunch in the face

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      • FletcherFan69

        1 year ago

        Can I stay in your casa? I am currently living in my car parked at the World Trade Center Memorial 180 Greenwich St, New York, NY 10007 please respond God Bless

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      • FletcherFan69

        1 year ago

        Have you ever tried fent pressed xans

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    • richardnixon

      1 year ago

      You sound jelly bro

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    • EutawDinger

      1 year ago

      Gonna cry?

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    • User 401527550

      1 year ago

      They are set up to win for 5 to 6 years. I don’t think any team will be saying let’s play the Orioles in the first round.

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  6. rd42

    1 year ago

    Yes, as long as he stays in the bigs the entire year.

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  7. SweetBabyRayKingsThickThighs

    1 year ago

    He’ll hit 340 with 37 homers and 112 rbis Jeff Passon said so

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    • yanks2323

      1 year ago

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    • King Floch

      1 year ago

      Yes.

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  8. Dustyslambchops23

    1 year ago

    Oh but it wasn’t service time related right

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    • Rally Goose

      1 year ago

      It wasn’t. He didn’t miss enough days to fail to accrue a full year.

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      • Dustyslambchops23

        1 year ago

        They haven’t announced the move yet, so if they wait a day or two that’s all they need

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        • Ra

          1 year ago

          So now that it’s provably not service time manipulation, what’s your revised take?

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    • its_happening

      1 year ago

      Told you it wasn’t. And it isn’t.

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      • Dustyslambchops23

        1 year ago

        You don’t even bat .100 on your predictions, go away. I don’t need a reply from you on all my comments

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        • Dustyslambchops23

          1 year ago

          Congrats, instead of waiting 2 days they won’t get him for an additional year in his prime.

          Woof indeed

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        • its_happening

          1 year ago

          Dusty you wanted to bet me that Matt Chapman would get $150-mil for 6. Humility should be your friend right now.

          On top of that, Hjerstad, Mayo, and Norby have all warranted a call up. O’s have a roster where they are blocked. For now.

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        • User 401527550

          1 year ago

          You have 6 years to sign him to extension. If you can’t get it done in that time frame then you don’t deserve him longer.

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  9. truthlemonade

    1 year ago

    The MLB draft should not be during the All Star break. It should have remained in early June.

    Yes, it matters. Letting draftees have five more weeks of minor league experience can really help their development.

    Jackson Holliday seems to have been able to make it work though. Now he will be in the big leagues while many of this former classmates are wrapping up their second year of college.

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  10. Tacoshells

    1 year ago

    Just in time for that extra year of control. Sneaky orioles.

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    • For Love of the Game

      1 year ago

      No, they wouldn’t have done that! He just wasn’t ready yesterday, but is today right after the deadline passed. Nothing odd to see here.

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      • richardnixon

        1 year ago

        But the deadline isn’t passed????

        He will get a full year of service.

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        • For Love of the Game

          1 year ago

          Sorry Tricky Dick, I took someone else’s word for it, and he since corrected himself.

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        • richardnixon

          1 year ago

          I’ll forgive you this time.

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  11. gbs42

    1 year ago

    Let’s all cheer for Holliday to finish top two in ROY voting and spoil the O’s plans. Cheap chump ownership.

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    • richardnixon

      1 year ago

      It doesn’t matter because he will already get a full year of service.

      Bunch of dumb dumbs in these comments.

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      • njbirdsfan

        1 year ago

        Let’s not let facts get in the way of stupid opinions.

        We live in America after all.

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      • Torpedo Bat

        1 year ago

        Par for the course in the comment section.

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      • gbs42

        1 year ago

        Dick Nixon,

        Sorry we didn’t do the math, Dick.

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      • Chris Koch

        1 year ago

        The article stated he’d reach 171days only. So you’re wrong or the article is.

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    • NattyBroh

      1 year ago

      Tell us, what cheap chump ownership and exactly what plans are you referring to? O’s have new ownership and Holliday gets full service time. Do tell!

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      • gbs42

        1 year ago

        I wrongly thought Holliday’s chance to get 172 days on the MLB roster had passed. Mea culpa.

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    • gorav114

      1 year ago

      You think if he wins ROY that is bad for Os?

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      • its_happening

        1 year ago

        If Holliday wins ROY it’s a good thing.

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        • AE86

          1 year ago

          It would trigger the PPI clause. 🙂

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  12. AE86

    1 year ago

    Every team in the league does this. Stop bashing the Orioles.

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    • Rally Goose

      1 year ago

      Not the Padres

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      • rayw

        1 year ago

        And that’s worked out really well for them.

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        • Deleted Userrrr

          1 year ago

          @rayw Has it?

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      • Brew88

        1 year ago

        The Pads demoted Pauley today, they do the opposite

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        • Rally Goose

          1 year ago

          .4677 OPS. Pauley deserved that.

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        • filihok

          1 year ago

          RG

          If the Padres demoted him because he has a .4677 OPS after 15 PAs, they are idiots.

          If they demoted him because of HOW he’s gotten to a 26 wRC+, THAT makes more sense.

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        • Rally Goose

          1 year ago

          @filihok You might be right about that. Either way, Preller has never done the service time thing despite several opportunities to do it, he has a legitimate excuse for sending Pauley down and if he wanted to manipulate service time he would have manipulated the leaguewide top 10 dude (Merrill) not the one that isn’t even in the top 100 (Pauley).

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    • User 401527550

      1 year ago

      Every team in league does not do this. I see plenty of rookies on opening day rosters.

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      • AE86

        1 year ago

        And the Orioles have done that as well. But, every other team has also manipulated the service time clock to get that extra year of control. Instead of just knee-jerking and shooting your mouth off, do some research. It has been going on for a long time. People are acting like this is the first time they’ve ever heard of it. Ridiculous.

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        • User 401527550

          1 year ago

          The only one shooting their mouth off is you. Get on some meds. Most teams haven’t done this in years. Mets opening day roster last year had Alvarez and Baty. Alonso is going to free agency this year because they didn’t manipulate his service time. Chourio. Carrol and others were signed extensions to avoid it. You don’t do that to elite talent and make them not want to extend with you long term. It’s just not good business.

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        • richardnixon

          1 year ago

          And the Orioles haven’t done it in years either

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        • richardnixon

          1 year ago

          Gunnar was on the OD roster last year. Holliday is up in time to get a full year of service.

          The only reason Adley wasn’t on the OD roster his rookie year is because he was hurt.

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        • User 401527550

          1 year ago

          That’s not rue at all. They did it to Adley.

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        • richardnixon

          1 year ago

          Nope, you’re wrong. He was injured. And he ended up getting the full year anyway so it doesn’t matter.

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        • AE86

          1 year ago

          So, “haven’t done it in years,” means that they haven’t ever done it in your book. Got it. Thanks for playing.

          And yes, every team has done this with their most elite talent precisely to get that extra year. It happens all the time.

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        • AE86

          1 year ago

          And Grayson also pitched terribly early on.

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        • AE86

          1 year ago

          Uh oh, The Astros are promoting Spencer Arrighetti, one of their top five minor league talents. Guess you better go tell them how terrible they are for doing this. I bet they will be waiting for your call with bated breath and will hang on each and every syllable.

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        • Deleted Userr

          1 year ago

          @Mets6986?? I will see your Chourio and Carroll and raise you one Acuna and Posey. Players who finished their ROY seasons with 0.171 days of service time and signed team friendly extensions. It kinda sounds like you *do* do that to elite talent.

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        • AE86

          1 year ago

          Isn’t it amazing what a little research will do for you? All of these replies attacking me for not knowing what I am talking about, and yet here a post like yours comes a long. Imagine that. It is almost like I knew what I was talking about or something.

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        • User 401527550

          1 year ago

          So your argument is their team wasted a month of playing time that they could have had? If you plan on signing them long term why waste the time and what did the team accomplish by doing that?

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  13. Johnny utah

    1 year ago

    i love how how many current stars are the sons of former stars. vlad guerrero, bo bichette, jackson holliday, bobby witt, fernando tatis. and druw jones & jack leiter were recent #1 overall picks

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    • Ra

      1 year ago

      Uh, Druw Jones was not a “#1 overall pick.” He was picked second behind Jackson Holliday.

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    • Squeeze32

      1 year ago

      Neither Druw Jones nor Jack Leiter were #1 overall picks…

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      • Johnny utah

        1 year ago

        My bad both were #2 overall
        Way to miss the point though

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        • User 401527550

          1 year ago

          Both are not doing very well in professional baseball either. I wouldn’t have included them in your point.

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        • Johnny utah

          1 year ago

          @6986
          druw is 20 years old and a top 100 ranked prospect
          leiter is off to a great start in the minors this yr

          lets check back in a year or 2 from now before we write them off as “not doing very well” lol. alek manoah is not doing very well. ohtani’s public image is not doing very well. my 100 year old grandma is not doing very well. druw and leiter are doing just fine

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        • User 401527550

          1 year ago

          You’re joking right? Letter is ranked around 500 in prospect rankings now. Jones is hitting a whopping .227 with 2 career minor league home runs in low level rookie ball. They are the definition of not doing good.

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        • Ra

          1 year ago

          The point that you posted something factually wrong. You’d do well here reddit.com/r/confidentlyincorrect/

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    • User 401527550

      1 year ago

      Well they do have a significant leg up with access to training compared to anyone else. I imagine a lot of players would be significantly better with the coaching they had from an extremely young age and access that most do not get.

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  14. deepseamonster32

    1 year ago

    A player can miss 14 days. So he must be active by the 3rd Thursday of the season to get his full year of service time and be eligible to win his team a draft pick.

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  15. TrillionaireTeamOperator

    1 year ago

    Did they gain any time with him by doing this or was this a pointless two weeks where he went back down for no logical reason and now he’s right back where he should be, in the majors?

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    • tuck 2

      1 year ago

      That has nothing to do with it. They are 10 games in no one is making decisions based on that. They wanted him to have a couple of weeks getting comfortable at second base. Plus he struck out in 1/3 of his spring at bats. This maximized his development time

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  16. LordD99

    1 year ago

    The Orioles are still finishing third.

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    • richardnixon

      1 year ago

      Nah, O’s win the division by 10 games

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      • LordD99

        1 year ago

        They’ll need the same degree of luck they had last year when they should have been an 89-win team. They’re not winning the division by 10.

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        • tuck 2

          1 year ago

          So they won 101 games by luck? Let’s go to Vegas with them. Or maybe you’re an Atlantic City guy.

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        • Ra

          1 year ago

          By Pythag, their second half RF/RA prorated to 103 wins.

          Even their full season RF/RA – before they came together – pythagged to 94 wins.

          You seem bitter with the false claim of “89-win team.”

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        • C Yards Jeff

          1 year ago

          There was some luck, but all teams have that. It was good health that brought them success in 23. That rotation, outside of Well’s mid season fatigue issue, stayed intact.

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        • Pads Fans

          1 year ago

          Pythagorean W/L was 94-68 last season, not 89.
          Yankees was 78-84. last season.

          So you are saying that the Yankees were lucky to have been in 4th and will finish in last this season?

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        • richardnixon

          1 year ago

          On what planet should they have been an 89 win team last year?

          Tell me you don’t know ball without telling me.

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        • Deleted Userrrr

          1 year ago

          Pythagorean W/L is irrelevant. It is unduly influenced by blowouts.

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        • filihok

          1 year ago

          rn

          The planet where people understand that things like sequencing are largely random so the Orioles’ 128 wRC+ in high-leverage situations wasn’t really as representative of how good they were as their 105 wRC+ overall.

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        • Pads Fans

          1 year ago

          Then the Orioles were a 101 win team.

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        • richardnixon

          1 year ago

          I’m sure most good teams hit well in high-leverage situations….that’s why they’re good team. You cherry-picking one stat doesn’t mean they were actually just an 89 win team.

          You’re just a salty fan of a team that got their cheeks clapped by the O’s.

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        • Rally Goose

          1 year ago

          @filihok He still wasn’t talking to you and by my count Holliday will finish this season with 173 days of service time. You need 172 for it to qualify as a full season.

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        • LordD99

          1 year ago

          I use more sophisticated modeling that goes down to the player level. Pythag can show info looking backward, but it’s rudimentary. There are much better predictive tools when trying to assess team wins. BTW The Orioles will have a fine season, with 90+ wins. They’re not taking first unless they make some additional changes, or some of their competition get hit with high degree of injuries, which can always happen. The blind belief of many here that the O’s will win 105+ games and romp to a 10-15 game lead in a very tough division is emotion based. Mine is purely statistical.

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        • richardnixon

          1 year ago

          The fact that you think it will take a “high degree of injuries” from the rest of the division for the Orioles to win it is just an embarrassing opinion.

          The Orioles are the best team in the division whether or not any opponent’s players get injured.

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        • Pads Fans

          1 year ago

          More sophisticated. LMAO.

          You were talking about the 2023 Orioles, so its in the past.
          WAR Wins = 95 wins.
          Pythagorean = 94 wins.

          On opening day, the most sophisticated models, the ones that Las Vegas casinos use, had the Orioles at 91 wins O/U

          What “tools” are you using that give you something different than that?

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        • Ra

          1 year ago

          Explain what you claim is your “more sophisticated modeling. Show your work.

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      • User 401527550

        1 year ago

        Or more.

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    • LordD99

      1 year ago

      I might grant them second. The battle for second and third could be tight. Not winning the division.

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    • rayw

      1 year ago

      Possibly only behind the Dodgers and Braves. Not in our division.

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    • EutawDinger

      1 year ago

      Yankees fans doing that April win pace thing again after getting humiliated. Sad!

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    • richardnixon

      1 year ago

      LordDRider and filifuck voted for Hubert Humphrey

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  17. Hate Jerry

    1 year ago

    So if he goes on to win ROY Baltimore won’t earn that extra draft pick right? If so I hope he tears it up since they waited this little time

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    • geotheo

      1 year ago

      They would get the draft choice because he had a full year (172 days) service time.

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    • Hate Jerry

      1 year ago

      Think you misunderstood me. I was saying if they held him out by one day just to get an extra year of control that’s shady

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    • Jonny5

      1 year ago

      You spend a lot of time here projecting your inadequacies onto the world. What a sad, hateful, little boy.

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  18. YankeesBleacherCreature

    1 year ago

    GL to Holliday and O’s fans!

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  19. graybuffalo

    1 year ago

    A player has to be on an MLB roster (or injury list) for all but 15 days during the season. Tomorrow will be Day 13 of the Os season. Holiday is definitely joining the team in time to earn a full year of service.

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    • MacGromit

      1 year ago

      Facts don’t deter some folks from whining, #Gray.

      They know it all.

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  20. Fraham_

    1 year ago

    Can someone explain why they’re not trying to get the extra year of control and people are calling this service time manip.

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  21. Old York

    1 year ago

    Why? Guy’s only crushing .342 / .490/ .605 in AAA. That probably won’t play in the MLB… Plus 8 Ks in 9 games? C’mon man!

    /s

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    • Chris Koch

      1 year ago

      Aren’t we like one 0-4 game away from that line becoming .270/–/470? Sal Ftelick was at like .160 or near just a few games ago and batting over .300 now.

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  22. geotheo

    1 year ago

    Should be pointed out. The Orioles didn’t manipulate Gunnar Henderson last year, he was on the Opening Day roster. Grayson Rodriguez was recalled one week in after Kyle Bradish took a line drive off his leg. If he had pitched more effectively he would have stayed for the rest of the season and gotten the full year service time. Rutschman was injured in Spring Training and started the year at Norfolk to get his reps in. Elias said if not for the injury he would have started the year in Baltimore. And Holliday will have his contract selected tomorrow and assuming he stays will get the full year service time. So maybe people need to stop being so paranoid. Oh and by the way they aren’t moving to Nashville either

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      1 year ago

      Folks are so blinded by cynicism and negativity here that can’t even celebrate a top prospect being promoted as a baseball fan. Your facts won’t matter to that crowd.

      Hope Holliday has a great rookie year!

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      • geotheo

        1 year ago

        Fans are naturally negative and cynical. No fan of the Angels but am always amused when fans call their owner a cheapskate. Then in the next sentence complain about Rendon getting 245 million dollars. He may be incompetent (and unlucky) but not cheap.

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        • YankeesBleacherCreature

          1 year ago

          Moreno is cheap in the sense that he won’t invest in starting pitching in a big market. He’s perfectly OK for his team to be mediocre while making profits.

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    • Chris Koch

      1 year ago

      Henderson I thought was going to be the surefire Roy last season. Did a 2nd player get a 1st place vote?

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  23. MacGromit

    1 year ago

    well said, #Yanks.

    hope we get to see him go off and bring home the ROY. seems like a good kid. Go O’s!

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  24. tuck 2

    1 year ago

    No way they send down Westburg. He’s had a slow start but has won two games for them. Plan has always been for him to move to third. Kemp is gone for sure.

    The next decision is Norby vs Urias.

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  25. Stevil

    1 year ago

    I’m not about to read through all these comments to see if someone else had the same thought, but I wonder if there’s been extension talk.

    Baltimore may be a cheap organization, but there isn’t much on their books.

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    • C Yards Jeff

      1 year ago

      Probably a big fat NO on extension talks. Boras is his agent.

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      • User 401527550

        1 year ago

        I don’t know. Throw up Bobby Witts contract and see if he bites.

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      • Os1995

        1 year ago

        Boras says he gets called daily by Elias about extensions (I’m sure that is Boras hyperbole). I doubt Jackson and Gunnar sign an extension but it won’t be because the Orioles aren’t trying.

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    • richardnixon

      1 year ago

      Baltimore is not a “cheap organization”. The Angeloses are gone.

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      • shosho

        1 year ago

        I’m surprised how much faith the fans have in a private equity guy.

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  26. Edp007

    1 year ago

    Charlton Heston will be the best hitter of all.

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  27. RunDMC

    1 year ago

    They haven’t promoted Heston Kjerstad yet due to uniform supply issues. That’s the only plausible explanation.

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    • geotheo

      1 year ago

      Where does Kjerstad play? Even if Hays is slumping Cowser can play LF. Santander isn’t going anywhere ( at least this season) . Mullins is a Gold Glove caliber CF. O’Hearn is 7-21. He’s not going to come up and sit on the bench. Not to worry someone will get hurt. They always do

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      • RunDMC

        1 year ago

        Once O’Hearn cools down — O’Hjerstad.

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      • User 401527550

        1 year ago

        Kjerstad is better than all of them. They need to figure it out. Trade someone for pitching.

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        • Hopefully

          1 year ago

          I would love for them to trade their extra batting prospects to my tigers we’ve got plenty of pitching ECT to throw in the trade we will gladly take heston kjerstad off your guys hands lmao what would any of you Baltimore fans think it would take the tigers to get him off your hands like who would you want from the tigers farm?

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  28. rashomon

    1 year ago

    If they had waited to call him up in another week, he could have debuted on the 20th Anniversary of his father’s MLB debut (April 16, 2004).

    O well.

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  29. DarkSide830

    1 year ago

    Don’t bring the D-Backs into this! They may be snakes, but they’re nice ones!

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  30. swinging wood

    1 year ago

    I applaud the Orioles for using the rules to their advantage. Losing a year for a couple weeks of an early call-up would be incredibly dumb.

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    • Deleted Userr

      1 year ago

      Cept they didn’t. They would have had to wait until this Friday to call Jackson up if they wanted the extra year.

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  31. Dumpster Divin Theo

    1 year ago

    Holliday! Celebrate!

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    • Ra

      1 year ago

      lqtm

      (Demitri Martin is on Colbert tonight, the guy who came up with lqtm)

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  32. Thornton Mellon

    1 year ago

    I hope Holliday has a tremendous rookie year (minus the ONE day that he will be short of a full service year, I must point out once they announce it.).
    There are certain geniuses here who felt that he needed more minor league seasoning and this was not service time manipulation…and yes I will rub it in your face. How much more did he really gather from 51 additional plate appearances in 9 games? Did it really make or break him? 39 total chances between SS and 2B? Did that turn him magically into a MLB caliber fielder when he wasn’t there before?
    Please.
    He can’t be any worse than Triple Zeros Kemp or pretty much the same Urias.
    Good luck Holliday!!!

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      1 year ago

      He’s in line for 175 service time days barring a demotion.

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      • Ra

        1 year ago

        Thornton gets easy facts wrong with incredible consistency.

        He’s rubbing something, but it’s not in anyone’s face on here.

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    • YourDreamGM

      1 year ago

      Should be getting his full year if he performs? Thought article said so.

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      • Thornton Mellon

        1 year ago

        I had read 2 reports last night that he would not be activated for a few days which would get him past the deadline.
        I now see that he’s listed in tonight’s (Wed 4/10) lineup so he should be ahead of the deadline to accrue the full year.

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  33. Dustyslambchops23

    1 year ago

    Except the Orioles haven’t announced the move yet.

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    • Dustyslambchops23

      1 year ago

      There is nothing wrong with the orioles doing this, Holliday is probably going to be the best player in the league. They should ensure they maximize his service time

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    • AE86

      1 year ago

      The Orioles didn’t officially announce it because they have to remove somebody else from the main roster, but the Tides and other sources within the organization confirmed it last night and early this morning.

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  34. YourDreamGM

    1 year ago

    Good move. I love the extra year as it’s more valuable than odds for draft pick but he’s destroying AAA. These are humans we are dealing with. He forced them to do this so good for him and good for team for calling him up.

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    • Torpedo Bat

      1 year ago

      Where’s the obligatory grade? B+? A-?

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  35. ohyeadam

    1 year ago

    They gave Kemp a shot, didn’t work out

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  36. GarryHarris

    1 year ago

    Why are the Os even playing Ramon Urias and Tony Kemp? Jorge Mateo is a sparkplug. To me, Jordan Westburg appears more like Supersub material. Urias and Kemp don’t fit on this team. Some teams try to be too smart.

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    • Thornton Mellon

      1 year ago

      Well they DFA’d Kemp so there’s half the answer.
      I disagree on Mateo. Big deal, he can run. He’s a .200 hitter.
      But now they have a primary and backup for all positions.
      1B can be covered by Mountcastle or O’Hearn
      2B, SS, 3B are Holliday, Henderson, and Westburg. Urias is able to back up all 3 positions though he needs to start hitting. Mateo, who we know can’t hit, can do 2B and SS.
      OF you have Hays, Mullins, Santander, and Cowser.
      Whoever’s not in the rotation can DH.
      It’s a good problem to have. Now let’s see how Mayo and Norby fare to see if they force the issue at the MLB level

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  37. Domingo111

    1 year ago

    I think this is a reaction to the slow start of carter and langford.

    The reason holliday didn’t start with the team was probably that Elias didn’t believe that holliday would beat out both Texas prospects for ROI.

    But the slow start of them and holliday raking in AAA (the latter of course isn’t a surprise given how good he was last year) probably meant that Elias now believe holliday has a good chance to hit the ground running and beat the 2 Texas prospects especially considering the second component of the PPI which is that the Os would lose the extra year of control over holliday in case he wins ROI even if he doesn’t have the 172 days.

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    • GarryHarris

      1 year ago

      I t had nothing to do with another team’s rookies. half the Os are struggling and the Yankees and BoSox are playing well.

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  38. King Floch

    1 year ago

    It was really dumb that he was sent down in the first place, but it’s all water under the bridge now.

    LFG!!!

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  39. Pads Fans

    1 year ago

    The 3 youngest prospects called up so far this season

    Jackson Chourio
    Jackson Merrill
    Jackson Holliday

    Which Jackson is next?

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    • 30 Parks

      1 year ago

      … I hope it’s Samuel L.

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      • AE86

        1 year ago

        “Who…..put me…..on this bleep bleeping…..team?!”

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    • Hopefully

      1 year ago

      the tigers have a top pitching prospect that could make his debut sometime this season by the name of Jackson jobe lmao they’re going to be a lot of Jackson’s in baseball pretty soon lmfaoo

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    • cwsOverhaul

      1 year ago

      Jackson Powers-Johnson……oh wait wrong sport.

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  40. Nosferatu Zodd

    1 year ago

    So who will get DFA’ed?

    97% Kemp. Probably signed with the knowledge he would be a depth piece as I doubt anyone will claim him.

    1% Urias. They love his +defence any place in the dirt. Usually a 110 OPS+ guy and to dfa him for a bad 10 games seems harsh.

    1% Hayes. Same as above, but he better get it going or he will be the 4th OFer.

    1% Westberh. I doubt they option him to keep Kemp, but Mayo looks good.

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    • MacGromit

      1 year ago

      I’d assume that Kemp’s $1M contract was guaranteed, so the O’s will pay him $1M for a couple weeks of work. Less league minimum if someone picks him up on waivers. If no one does, $1M for < a week of work and some underwhelming at bats. Bravo for Tony.

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      • Nosferatu Zodd

        1 year ago

        Once the season starts 100%. He is try to get to 10 years. I don’t think he has enough in the tank. Still good money if you can find it.

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  41. Say Hey Now Kid

    1 year ago

    Haha I couldn’t get the ESPN Fantasy site to load when I clicked on the notification. Tried again one hour later and he was on a roster in every one of my leagues… he broke the internet

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  42. gr81t2

    1 year ago

    Yes! Now find room for Kerstad and Mayo

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  43. RandorBierd

    1 year ago

    Imagine how much he learned about the second base position and left handed pitching during those two weeks. He’ll likely point to that as a career defining moment when all is said and done.

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  44. dclivejazz

    1 year ago

    Hot dang, the O’s have been doing something right. Even if nobody else can benefit anymore from tanking for years to get top picks. They made great picks and developed them well.

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    • Nosferatu Zodd

      1 year ago

      Yes they did. Mayo, Westberg, and Mayo were not top 5 picks.

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      • Os1995

        1 year ago

        Henderson was a second round pick as well.,

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  45. Just Rob

    1 year ago

    I almost feel bad for Red Sox fans. First, they have to start the season in a 10 game west coast trip. Then, their only decent player gets injured and is out for the season. Then, they sign some overrated guys to long term, mild albatross contracts. Then, the O’s ruin their home opener. Then, the O’s bring up Holliday to control the remainder of the narrative for their home opening series.

    That’s a pretty brutal week.

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      1 year ago

      They’re still 7-4. I don’t know how you can label their extensions “mild albatrosses” without letting them play out for a few years. It’s not like those deals will saddle the org. if they don’t work out.

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  46. getrealgone2

    1 year ago

    Kemp DFA’d. To nobody’s surprise.

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  47. User 401527550

    1 year ago

    I’m not an Orioles fan but would love to see them start locking up Adley, Gunnar and Holiday long term. These guys are superstars and Baltimore seems like a good place for them to thrive.

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    • Os1995

      1 year ago

      Boras says he gets 2 calls from Elias about Gunnar and Holliday a day (I’m sure that is Boras hyperbole). Since they are Boras clients they may just want to hit free agency.

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    • AE86

      1 year ago

      It would be nice to see the O’s commit to locking up their own, great talent for once instead of letting it walk away for nearly nothing. I don’t blame them for letting Manny walk. He was not a guy to build around in Baltimore. For a long time, the Orioles have used the excuse of not being in a competitive window for not splashing in the FA market for a front line pitcher and not retaining their own star power. That started to change a bit with Adam Jones, Nick Markakis.

      I believe the Orioles have a strong nucleus of young, homegrown talent. It is still too soon to break open the checkbook on some of these guys, but Adley and Gunnar have proven their worth.

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    • Just Rob

      1 year ago

      Start with Burnes. Gunnar and Adley’s deals are different as Adley is a catcher and O’s don’t want a Mauer situation Will be interesting to see how new ownership spends.

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      • AE86

        1 year ago

        Burnes is going to be way out of the O’s price range if he has another stellar season. What makes you think Adley is at all like Mauer?

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        • baked mcbride

          1 year ago

          Mr Brown, how would Burnes be out of the O’s price range with a new ownership group stepping in? He might like it in Birdland and take a fair offer to stay and pitch on what looks to be an incredibly competitive team for the next six or so years.

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        • baked mcbride

          1 year ago

          And for the first time in MLBTradeRumors history, I’ve like my own comment. I’ve decided! BURNES IS STAYING!

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        • AE86

          1 year ago

          I don’t deal in “might,” I deal in reality. The reality is that the Baltimore market is rather small and getting smaller with what the Nationals have been pulling. They’ve never shelled out big money, long term contracts for an elite FA pitcher, and they have a lot of their own in house talent to sign and lock up for a long term. The reality is, there is a limit to what they can spend, and Burnes isn’t going to take some discount when he can make out like a bandit on some other playoff caliber team.

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      • User 401527550

        1 year ago

        Mauer was better than Adley. What wouldn’t you want? I think the Orioles sign up all day for that career in Baltimore.

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        • AE86

          1 year ago

          I think he was alluding to Mauer’s injury situation, but, that would only be a guess on my part. I wouldn’t know what the comparison is, because from what memory serves, Mauer’s injury situation was a bit more of a freakish thing. What makes anyone think Adley would have the same situation? And if that was the basis, you could say the same thing about any player.

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  48. baked mcbride

    1 year ago

    Ubaldo, even though your moniker brings up painful, painful memories, I like your common sense takes on the O’s. Gotta love all the doofs who jumped off the bridge over the non-issue of service time manipulation and then were made to look even dumber than they already are, cracking those same, tired, antiquated pi$$takes about how cheap and inept the Orioles are. I’ve been waiting on this era of Orioles baseball for a long time and Mike Elias and his team are the ones who are making it happen.

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  49. baked mcbride

    1 year ago

    If you want to take a moment from all the goofy negativity here and see something really wholesome, check out Jackson’s call up to the bigs video that was posted today. It’s really neat.

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    • Thornton Mellon

      1 year ago

      I saw that, it was cool

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      • baked mcbride

        1 year ago

        It would have been nice if Coach had mentioned Mom, though. Just sayin’.

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  50. AE86

    1 year ago

    Jackson will be wearing the number 7, which was unofficially/officially retired when Cal Ripken Sr. passed. The last player to wear it was Billy Ripken who wore it in protest of his father’s firing. This is being done with the Ripken family’s blessing.

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  51. LernersWallet

    1 year ago

    Cheers to the Hollidays

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