1:20pm: Ohtani released a statement through a spokesperson, with Fabian Ardaya of The Athletic among those to relay it on X:
“Now that the investigation has been completed, this full admission of guilt has brought important closure to me and my family. I want to sincerely thank the authorities for finishing their thorough and effective investigation so quickly and uncovering all of the evidence. This has been a uniquely challenging time, so I am especially grateful for my support team – my family, agent, agency, lawyers, and advisors along with the entire Dodger organization, who showed endless support throughout this process. It’s time to close this chapter, move on and continue to focus on playing and winning ballgames.”
1:00pm: Major League Baseball released a statement to members of the media today regarding Shohei Ohtani of the Dodgers, with Alden González of MLB among those to relay it on X: “Based on the thoroughness of the federal investigation that was made public, the information MLB collected, and the criminal proceeding being resolved without being contested, MLB considers Shohei Ohtani a victim of fraud and this matter has been closed.”
Ippei Mizuhara, Ohtani’s former interpreter, officially pleaded guilty to bank and tax fraud charges in federal court this morning, as also relayed by González on X. Mizuhara’s sentencing is set for October 25 at 2:00pm Pacific.
The Dodgers also released a statement on the matter on X: “With today’s plea in the criminal proceedings against Ippei Mizuhara and the conclusion of both federal and MLB investigations, the Dodgers are pleased that Shohei and the team can put this entire matter behind them and move forward in pursuit of a World Series title.”
MLB announced in March that its Department of Investigations would be looking into the matter. That followed the emergence of various news reports that connected Mizuhara and Ohtani to an illegal gambling ring in California, where sports betting is not legal.
Mizuhara initially told members of the press that he had run up sizeable gambling debts and that Ohtani had agreed to help him by wiring money to the bookmaker. Attorneys representing Ohtani later said that the player had been “the victim of a massive theft.” Ohtani spoke about the situation, accusing Mizuhara of stealing his money and lying about it.
In April, Mizuhara was officially charged by federal officials, with the full 37-page complaint against him being released at that time. Further details emerged last month when it was reported that Mizuhara would be pleading guilty and agreeing to a plea deal. Mizuhara is alleged to have transferred more than $16MM from an account of Ohtani’s to the bookmaker, with the complaint containing phone records, text messages and banking records. Mizuhara allegedly phoned the bank and impersonated Ohtani “at least 24 times” as part of his attempts to access the account in question. Ohtani believed his agents and/or accounts were monitoring the account, whereas their repeated attempts to get access it were thwarted by Mizuhara, who told them that Ohtani wanted it kept private. The complaint also contained a text message wherein Mizuhara admitted to a bookmaker that he stole from Ohtani: “Technically I did steal from him. it’s all over for me.” Investigators found no evidence of wrongdoing on the part of Ohtani, nor did they find any evidence of Mizuhara betting on baseball.
Mizuhara is facing a maximum sentence of 33 years but could wind up with less than that as part of his plea deal. Meghann Cuniff of The Washington Post looked at the sentencing guidelines on X last month, (link one and two) suggesting that Mizuhara’s range would likely be in the range of 78 to 108 months, though also adding on X that the final decision will ultimately lie with the judge. Multiple reports have suggested Mizuhara is likely to be deported to Japan.
dellarocco72
Of course they do
Bucket Number Six
Now, MLB must investigate Ohtani’s marriage! We all know Shohei’s wife is a beard protecting his relationship with his dog.
Mercenary.Freddie.Freeman
So biggest star in the game protected and examples made out of low level players. Got it!
paddyo furnichuh
Your opinion seems almost as disinformed as your screen name.
saluelthpops
Inform us, then. Have we ever seen an investigation involving hundreds of thousands of dollars in gambling and the “investigation” take only two months? The answer is “no.” It took them over six months to investigate and ban the lower level guys. It took them two months to say, “our most valuable player was not involved in any way.” I’ll say it again, please inform us.
NYCityRiddler
Ahhh, I say let’em gamble. They already let’em beat the hell out of their wives & girlfriends, hire blind guys with attitudes to officiate & pay Robbie weasel to do their dirty work, how much worse could it be? Maybe it’ll increase pace of play. Ahahahaha!
rondon
Well, there will probly be a couple of Draft Kings ads on MLB Network/ESPN before and after they report this news.
thebirds
And so begins the diminishing of the MLB. When Othanis career is over, we will be watching the Netflix documentary on how the MLB covered it all up. It shall be called “The Sho Goes On”
tigers182
They announce they’re closing the investigation an hour after they ban dudes for gambling. Perfect time to dump this story
Fever Pitch Guy
Tigers – Of course! MLB has “proven” they don’t tolerate illegal gambling or gambling on baseball ….. by punishing the no-name players doing it, making an example of them.
So nobody can say MLB looks the other way, right? ;O)
paddyo furnichuh
It’s time for your antipyretic.
Rick Wilkins
Nothing fishy here.
BlueSkies_LA
Yes clearly Lex Luthor, the Joker, or some Bond villain was involved with this scheme somehow. But of course nobody wants to talk about that! I wonder why?
Old York
Case closed.
CBeisbol
Lots of people who have less information than the FBI and MLB are going to be sure they know more than the FBI and MLB
tigers182
I spy with my little eye a Dodgers fan ^
CBeisbol
tigers182
“I spy with my little eye a Dodgers fan ^”
Let me try something
I spy with my little eye a Dodgers hater ^
There you go, I guess you opinion is invalidated?
ballgawd
“Thorough” is the 2024 version of “They were using steroids?”
MLB will do nothing to hurt their cash cow. But hey, they banned an unknown for life. See, they’re tough on gambling.
What a joke!
Fever Pitch Guy
ball – It’s not just because Ohtani is a cash cow, it would create an international incident. The repercussions from Japan would be fierce.
The notion that a non-player with baseball inside information would engage in illegal sports betting that does NOT include baseball is beyond comical.
tigers182
Why would anybody hate the Dodgers? They haven’t been a threat to anyone since the 80’s?
CBeisbol
tigers
The NL West would beg to differ.
The NL would beg to differ.
paddyo furnichuh
@babytiger ….Your sentence is more accurate if used Tigers instead of Dodgers. It’s an odd typo.
M.C.Homer
Tigers, Some of thier fans and security guards are not very nice. I’m being nice
amk1920
I spy a conspiracy theorist. Maybe the people swearing Ohtani should do something should offer up evidence? Hilarious how hard it is to believe Ippe could be a gambling addict alone.
Fever Pitch Guy
amk – FWIW I think it’s Ohtani pulling a Sergeant Schultz that is what’s so comical.
media1.tenor.com/m/9a3KtjjjotQAAAAC/sergeant-schul…
M.C.Homer
amk, he wasnt alone. He was with Fletcher..
disadvantage
@tigers
Fandom has nothing to do with this. Giants fan here who wants nothing more than to see the Dodgers crash and burn (and don’t want to wait until October to see it happen). The 37-page document, while not infallible, seems to do a better job exonerating Shohei than the feels-over-reals type of comments from skeptical fans do of “proving” his guilt.
User 1939973770
Astros > Dodgers 2017 forever
King123
Yeah because the FBI have proven themselves to be bastions of truth and ethics. And it isn’t like the MLB is in cahoots with betting corporations. Let’s just not question anything.
CBeisbol
K123
Question it all you want. Absolutely
Stating that you know Ohtani is guilty when you are not privy to the investigation is absolutely stupid.
User 1939973770
Kind of like how fans attacked Altuve for wearing a buzzer when some lowly Yankees blog started a rumor?
CBeisbol
ckc
Sure
King123
I did not in fact state that Ohtani is guilty. Like I alluded to, there are logical grounds to question the assessment of the FBI and MLB, especially considering Mizuhara changed his initial story.
CBeisbol
K123
“I did not i”n fact state that Ohtani is guilty.”
Then I’m not talking about you
” especially considering Mizuhara changed his initial story.”
Guilty person has an inconsistent story. Yeah, real eyebrow raiser.
King123
Well, when the second story exonerates Ohtani, we should by all means be questioning things. I have no idea why people voraciously defend nonsense. We should always be seeking the truth.
CBeisbol
K123
“We should always be seeking the truth.”
Sure. How are you going to seek it in this case? In the MLBTR comments?
No one here is seeking truth. They are just blowharding.
Fever Pitch Guy
King – Any decent defense attorney would have gotten Ippei off, if he wanted to get off.
Not a chance that all the bank activity wasn’t noticed by Ohtani’s team and mentioned to him at some point. Not a chance that personal banking information was changed without concrete verification from Ohtani himself.
And if Ohtani gave any type of personal info like passwords to Ippei, as a defense attorney the first thing I’d do is have him prove the info wasn’t given to him voluntarily.
CBeisbol
FPC
“Any decent defense attorney would have gotten Ippei off, if he wanted to get off.”
Not a chance that all the bank activity wasn’t noticed by Ohtani’s team and mentioned to him at some point. Not a chance that personal banking information was changed without concrete verification from Ohtani himself.”
Pure and unadulterated BS
Just another irrational male
fox471 Dave
Nice try ckc.
BlueSkies_LA
It must be a vast conspiracy. Or in your case, a half-vast conspiracy.
mlbdodgerfan2015
If that is your point of view, the actual truth is actually irrelevant. People, stop trying to prove Ohtani’s innocence to this board. Waste of keystrokes. At the end of the day it really doesn’t matter what people think. Goes both ways. All that matters is Ohtani was cleared, as expected, and we can move on to discussing baseball.
❤️ MuteButton
@ CBeisol , thank you. People frequently believe what they want to believe. As an Astro fan, this story has no bearing on my life so I really don’t care that much, but it’s amazing how many people are so passionate about wanting to hang Ohtani without a shred of evidence.
CBeisbol
MB
Just a bunch of irrational and overly emotional men who have to gossip.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Did Ohtani fire his accountant?
How much was it that disappeared from Ohtani’s account?
SMH
dobsonel
The accountant didn’t have access to the account in question because the interpreter refused to give it to him.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Well, who opened the Account? Who was the Bank?
Ohtani get a free taffy and a hardy handshake from the banker?
This whole thing makes no sense!!!
And wire transfers are a pain in the can!!!!!
Fever Pitch Guy
dobs – Yeah that’s another thing that cracks me up.
The accountant(s) …. the ones who handle Ohtani’s finances and tax returns ….. somehow didn’t notice the transactions on the bank statements, or did notice but didn’t mention them to Ohtani? Seriously?
I know some here are very young, but come on people ….
Honest question here …. did ANYBODY from the bank get fired for this? Or did ANYBODY from Ohtani’s side, other than Ippei, get fired?
Fever Pitch Guy
Dobs – So you’re saying the accountant just threw his hands in the air and said “Oh well, I guess I can’t do my job”??
Not a chance. Any accountant in that situation would have gone to Ohtani and told him he needs those bank statements.
And here’s another aspect I haven’t seen mentioned, the huge drop in investment income because of the wire transfers. Interest rates have been sky high, at the very least Ohtani would have lost hundreds of thousands in interest income that would have been reflected on his tax returns … and yet none of his financial team noticed? Come on.
dobsonel
I’m not a Dodgers fan and all the evidence points solely at the interpreter. Read the 37 page government document. It’s all there and it’s an easy read.
JoeBrady
I did read the entire thing.
But while I am fully in favor of a coverup, there was no doubt in my mind that Ohtani was involved. Anything else requires a huge leap of faith. The amount of things one must believe is staggering.
BlueSkies_LA
Or a huge leap of evidence. I wonder why nobody ever says that. Maybe because then they’d have to admit that they have none.
Fever Pitch Guy
Dobs – That’s the whole point of a superstar having someone act on their behalf. If anything goes wrong, the superstar’s hands are clean.
Look up the definition of “runner” in the world of gambling.
Too many people here are commenting on a gambling world they know nothing about.
10centBeerNight
Just like that. Squeaky clean
abcrazy4dodgers
For anyone posting to doubt Ohtani’s innocence on this, please include in your post an abbreviated synopsis of your independent instigation.
baseballfan2019
Sure thing. We have a baseball player that’s missing a lot of money. That money went to a known bookie, whom the feds were monitoring. Based upon the reports from another independent investigation, the money was traced back directly to the baseball players account. The same independent investigation did not actually pursue an investigation with the baseball players accountant / money manager. Based upon that investigation and the timing of the release of this news on the heels of four other players being suspended and one player being banned for life, I think it’s very questionable.
Now, please provide proof that my suspicions are without merit.
Travis’ Wood
Not one thing you mentioned is a fact you’re just delusional and making things up lol. Provide proof against your suspicions??? Geez you internet tin foil clowns are something else
Paleobros
He’s rubber and we’re glue. Checkmate on us I suppose.
baseballfan2019
Fact: baseball player is missing money ($16M according to this story)
Fact: the money went to a known bookie (try using google for this one – it’s everywhere including this article, too)
Fact: the money was traced back to Ohtani’s account (Ohtani says the money was stolen from his account – again, that even appears in this article)
Fact: independent investigation did not interview Ohtani’s accountant (the article and the links within it all corroborate that once there was an admittance of guilt, the investigation was closed)
All facts. So, while you just dismiss things, do little to none of your own work to explore matters, the rest of us that have our heads out of the sand are asking legitimate questions.
Lastly, you lose the argument when you resort to name-calling. However, in this case, you had lost the argument before you hit “reply”.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
One thing that baffles me is why do so many people assume that Ohtani’s account would automatically have these overseers (accountants, financial planners, agent, lawyers, etc) who had to have noticed everything? I think it’s possible to have a hidden account. I think it’s possible to not pay strict attention to every single account you may have open. Especially if you had placed a tremendous amount of trust in your BFF to handle things for you.
BlueSkies_LA
Ohtani’s agent hired accounting and tax planning people for him, but all of the communications about this went through Mizuhara. He told the agency that Ohtani wanted this account to be totally private and that it generated no income so they didn’t need to know about it for tax purposes. This frustrated the money people but they never hired anyone who spoke Japanese so they had no way of verifying this with Ohtani himself, and this is how Mizuhara was able to take control of the account. All of these grisly details and many more are in the indictment.
JoeBrady
This doesn’t require a dissertation. In order to think that Ohtani was not involved, one must believe:
1-Ippie had all Ohtani’s personal information.
2-Ippie can con a major bank.
3-A bookie extended millions in credit to someone making $200k a year.
4-That Ohtani didn’t open up a single bank statement for 26 months and never question his accountants.
5-That the bookie texted “we know it was a cover job” for no particular reason.
6-That, per the indictment, $40M was lost, $16M was stolen, and that the other $24M just went away.
I’ve dealt with bookies before, and banks. None of this stuff happens in real life.
Smelly_Cobb
I do dislike the doyers, but the points you made Brady are exactly why I think Ohtani knew about the betting / debts.
It’s not a farfetched conspiracy.
BlueSkies_LA
Completely counterfactual, but I’m sure you won’t let that stop you.
JoeBrady
Which one of my points is not factual?
BlueSkies_LA
All of them, and someone else already answered this question in detail.
JoeBrady
BlueSkies_LA2
Which one of my points is not factual?
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Let’s discuss them one-by-one.
Do you think it is reasonable that a bookie gives someone making $200-300k a year a $40,000,000 line of credit?
YankeesBleacherCreature
@JoeBrady It was never a $40MM line-of-credit. Bowyer doesn’t need to collect it all to make money. He already took $16MM from I.M.
Bowyer wasn’t even taking both sides of the bet like a traditional bookie. He knew I.M. was an addict and action junkie. Basically, when Ippei got that deep in debt it was statistically impossible to get out of it due to the vig and the bet size limits that he imposed on I.M. It was all funny money to the bookie at that point, just taking money from a flushed addict that could never win. You don’t slaughter the cow for steak when it has been willing to give you an endless supply of milk to sell.
I used to be friends with a guy who was runner with a bookie. (He has sadly passed.) There were bets he took and personally booked bc they came from the same type of terrible action junkies like I.M. He never ran their bets by his boss. His weekly bet collections from these bad gamblers were only in the thousands. There were bad weeks (of course) for my friend but in the long-run he always came out ahead.
fox471 Dave
Probably all of them but I try to be kind.
Rick Wilkins
Neatly swept under the rug. Well done Manfred. I imagine all the folks that think Ohtani is just a completely naive moron (he is one or the other, either a cheating gambler, or a complete bumbling idiot, but rest assured, one of those is true), also believe Kennedy was killed by Oswald alone, Trump was just given a fair trial, and 9/11 was pulled off with precision accuracy, by a bunch of “terrorists” with box cutters. Clowns everywhere.
disadvantage
@joe
You are asking good questions, but they all have answers. And while the document may not be infallible, you did say “there was no doubt in my mind that Ohtani was involved” in a previous comment, which seems more like a firmly held belief than a conclusion reached through critical examination. Anyway, here are some possible explanations:
1. It’s common for trusted employees to have access to personal information for managing accounts and other logistics.
2. That is loaded language. It’s more likely a bank teller was deceived than an a major bank being conned.
3. The bookie extended the credit based on the mistaken believe that Ohtani was authorizing the transactions.
4. Why would he check his account? Just to say, “yep, still rich!”? And have you ever worked with a financial advisor? I do, and it is very much set it and forget it. I have never felt the need to question her. Hindsight is 20/20, so yeah, if he had done those things, he’d be in a better spot. But had his team performed their jobs legally, what good would questioning his accountants and checking his statements have done?
5. That was an ominous message for sure, but doesn’t really provide any information. And if you noticed it, I can assure you that the legal team absolutely did as well. It also wasn’t really clear what “cover job” meant in the context it was written.
6. I can also see why you’re skeptical here, but financial discrepancies in fraud cases are pretty common given that the money does not follow the typical channels that money sent legally does.
That isn’t to say everything I said here proves your questions wrong or that my responses were even “right”, but moreso, asking good questions doesn’t necessarily mean that there is no answer. Now, maybe something was missed, or maybe there was a coverup! You or I do not know that, and speculating otherwise doesn’t really prove anything.
JoeBrady
That isn’t to say everything I said here proves your questions wrong or that my responses were even “right”,
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That’s probably to my point. Certainly all of what you write could be true. I just have a very serious problem believing that all of that can be true.
Ippie could’ve conned him out of sign-on credentials.
Would he know enough of his personal information to fool a bank? Maybe, but dual authentication is one step tougher.
If the bookie is aware that Ippie’s debts are being siphoned off from Ohtani’s account, that feels like a conspiracy charge to me.
Could Ohtani throw away his bank statements 26 months in a row? Maybe 1-2 he left on the counter without opening them, but not opening a single statement in 26 months seems far-fetched.
And I didn’t mention it earlier, but if you were his accountant or his financial team, how would you feel if his translator told you not to question Ohtani on the account where his salary was going? Simply from a liability perspective, I’d want that verified every which way I could. And maybe not even take the job. That just screams out fraud.
IMO, it is just too many things Things just don’t happen like that. Just from my own perspective:
1-My wife was telling me last night that she has none of my log-ins, because they are a deep dark secret.
2-Even where I keep them, they are coded.
3-I might not reconcile every penny, but I always peek at my statements to make sure that they are ballpark correct. I could lose a couple of dollars because I am being charged monthly for something I stopped using. But I’d like to think I’d notice like $25k missing.
Just way too many things don’t add up.
BlueSkies_LA
As far as the indictment reports, Mizuhara did not appear at the bank in person, he made transfers online and when the account was frozen he was able to call and impersonate Ohtani and get them unfrozen. He could do this because he knew the answers to all the security questions. Banks do very little to verify transactions, which is one reason why so many billions are lost to fraud every year.
disadvantage
@joe
I appreciate your willingness to have a back and forth conversation here. But I think you identified your own problem – all of your concerns stem from your own confirmation bias. And frankly, in some cases, like keying in on the phrase “cover job” when the lawyers had access to that same information, seem almost as though you are looking for ways to make you not believe it. Again, there are a lot of reasons the Ohtani situation “feels” like it doesn’t pass the smell test, but a lot of your concerns have pretty simple explanations:
– Most people don’t receive paper bank statements anymore
– Ohtani is a multi-millionaire, I doubt he checks his own mail. I have a friend who works for a wealthy SF doctor, and she goes to his house once a week to open all of his mail, use the doctor’s checks to pay bills, and discard the rest. He only goes to the house a few times a month since he owns multiple properties. So even if Ohtani did receive paper statements, it’s unlikely he’d ever see them even if he wanted to
– As @blue pointed out, it’s shockingly easy to scam a bank if you have the right information. Mizuhara had all of the right information
– Your wife may not have your bank info, but (1) a lot of couples do share bank information, and (2) your wife is not your admin and does not need access to your accounts.
– You also likely peek at your statements because if something was fishy, it could affect your future, such as retirement, buying a house or car, or even just if you can afford food next week. Ohtani doesn’t have to worry about that for the rest of his life, so he does not need to check his accounts, and the only time he’d do it is because he was curious or if he actually did suspect something (which something tells me, he did not).
JoeBrady
– Most people don’t receive paper bank statements anymore
– Ohtani is a multi-millionaire, I doubt he checks his own mail.
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1-A lot of my accounts are paperless, but I still check them. And this also addresses whether or not he opens up his mail.
2-Is there even a single person in here that never, ever checks their accounts? Just taking your doctor friend as an example. Has he not checked his financial records in the past 26 months?
But just for fun, if there is even one person in here that has not checked their financial records in 26 months, I will drop this point.
Anyone?
disadvantage
@joe
Again, you are using confirmation bias to help yourself understand something. Confirmation bias is an unreliable way to gather information, though, because it puts on blinders to people who do not fit within the purview of your life. It is also a strange hill to die on because it can provide false positives. For example, I could probably find you a stoner that lives with his parents and doesn’t care to look at his bank account. Would that exonerate Shohei for you?
But for a more practical example, for Shohei to not check his account requires putting yourself in his shoes. It’s not like he needs to run credit checks like you or I. He doesn’t really need to check his account if he wants to travel or buy a car or house, like you or I. And if he trusted Mizuhara as much as he seems to, if he was curious about his bank account, he could just ask Mizuhara. He doesn’t need to log into his bank account because, unlike you or I, he had a right-hand man that he trusted. And if that right-hand man WASN’T a criminal and doing his job, why would Ohtani even need to check his bank account?
JoeBrady
We’re not talking about a few thousand $$$. We are talking $16M. That’s a lot of money, even for Ohtani. His BB earnings thru 6 years were about $67M, so maybe $33M after tax, commission, etc. Ippie “stole” half of it.
If someone stole half of your life savings, would you notice it?
And this is not a hill I am dying on. It is simply a less or more than 50% chance, and imo, it is more like 98% chance he was involved.
But just a hypothetical, if you have someone on trial for drugs, and he had $50M in the bank on a $200k salary, what would you think of the testimony “I have no idea how that $50M got in there. I never check my bank accounts”.
But again, is there even one person in here that hasn’t check their financial statements once in 26 months?
disadvantage
At this point, I feel like your pride is getting in the way of admitting that maybe you weren’t right about this one. There is mounds of evidence viewed by lawyers, some of whom wanted nothing more than to prove Shohei was guilty, that not only proved his innocence, but in a pretty open and shut manner. Followed by the fact all of your questions and hypotheticals have been easily debunked. And yet, you still feel “98%” confident that Shohei was involved.
And the conversation should end right there. But even when faced with information that disproves your logic, you still double down on it. But here, let me try again, one more time.
Shohei’s relationship with money is different than yours:
1. You are grossly underestimating his net worth, since he makes most of his money via sponsorships. So $16mm might still be a lot even to him, but not by as much as you think. Certainly not “half of [his] life savings”
2. Just like how some people say, “Siri, tell me the weather” without opening the weather app, Shohei could say “Mizuhara, how do my bank accounts look?” without opening his bank account. And remember, just because YOU would check your accounts in spite of having a trusted assistant, that doesn’t mean everybody else would. Shohei trusted Mizuhara, so had no reason to check for himself, especially when shooting his buddy a text was way easier
3. He’s accepting less than 3% of his salary per year (~4.3% if you want to base it on the actual value). If a company you really like offered you a 10 year, $10mm contract (so, $1mm/yr) that you’d make even if you got hurt or under performed, would you take it? Or would you say “nah, pay me $50k/yr now and the rest in increments, starting in 10 years”? If you said “no”, then you might realize how much more valuable money is to you than Shohei, and maybe even reconsider your skepticism. And if you said “yes” to the restructure, you are lying
Your hypothetical trial doesn’t even make any sense:
– Whether or not he viewed his bank account is irrelevant. The case would hinge on whether or not he could prove an alibi for why the paper trail for the $50M was in his account had nothing to do with him (a bank error, for example). Not, “well, shucks guys, he didn’t look at his account! How can we prove him guilty now?!” So I am genuinely not actually sure what you even thought you were proving with this hypothetical, or what this has anything to do with Shohei (other than not checking an account, I guess?)
You say you aren’t dying on the hill of whether or not somebody checked their accounts for the past 26 months, and yet, you doubled down on that point. You even said, “I will drop this point” if somebody can prove they haven’t checked their account. But again:
1. Statistically, there ere probably a handful of people on this site who haven’t checked their bank accounts in years, even if the vast majority of us check regularly
2. You’d probably want somebody who had a similar situation to Shohei, not just anybody
3. I already pointed out that it wouldn’t be that surprising if a stoner who lacks motivation and still lives at home wouldn’t check his accounts. What about a 16 year-old with affluent parents who made him a bank account, and still pay for everything? Or a housewife who says “my husband handles our finances”? There are a number of situations that could involve a party not looking at their bank accounts, even if those situations differ from your own. But even their existence doesn’t prove Shohei innocent or guilty, anyway
TheMan 3
the irony of closing this investigation on Ohtani
while permanently banning Marcano for betting on baseball is astounding and on the same day
Not a clever name
Marcano should have sold more jerseys and bobble heads
TheMan 3
or maybe become a better baseball player and get his eventual multi million dollar contract
Blackpink in the area
I don’t believe for a second Ohtani is guilty of anything. But this still looks suspicious.
stoll79
Agreed. Bad thing is you can’t trust anything that is said and/or reported these days. Everyone has an agenda.
❤️ MuteButton
@stoll79, I agree, but I refuse to jump to conclusions about something I have zero insider information about. From the outside it looks suspicious sure, but that’s all I can say about it
BlueSkies_LA
Except for you, of course. No agenda there at all.
stoll79
@ mute….your response in how it relates to my post…huh? lol
MetsSchmets
Does MLB have a PR person? Terrible optics unless I guess the point was to bury this
RunDMC
While Eight Men Out is currently playing on MLB Network.
(It’s not).
wjf010
we’ll find out soon enough if he’s truly innocent. you see, gambling is the toughest addiction to kick….if there is another person who suddenly steals his money and gambles it away, then we’ll know for sure who was the guilty party
Paleobros
Or, hear me out, some people can sometimes be overly trusting or gullible, or a little of both. Occam’s Razor y’all.
Dodger Dog
Can we get an L in the chat for all the hater conspiracy weirdos
Hannibal8us
Not a Dodger’s fan but I really don’t understand why everything is a conspiracy theory these days. This is the same league that banned the greatest hitter in the history of the game for gambling but they’re going to give Ohtani a free pass? Nah, it’s far more likely Ohtani was just naive and got taken advantage of and that was proven in the investigation.
slowcurve
It was a much different league and world when Charlie Hustle got banned. Ohtani is too lucrative to ban. Simple as that.
BlueSkies_LA
Rose bet on baseball. He bet on teams he played on and managed. He lied about it for years. He still hasn’t owned up to it. Simple as that.
TheMan 3
Exactly, slowcurve
While I don’t believe Ohtani is guilty, hypothetically, if he was, MLB would slide this under the proverbial rug so fast, the general public would not have the information for decades because he means one thing to baseball
M O N E Y
bjhaas1977
B.S.
Well Hung
If you aren’t a superstar don’t gamble
longines64
Exactly what Phil Mickelson says.
Johnny utah
The same day marcano is banned for life & 4 others suspended. Ohtani case “closed” hahahaha like it was ever “opened” what a f’in joke circus freak show embarrassment. Is it 2029 yet? Jesus f’in christ manfred is the worst most incompetent disgraceful commish in the history of sports
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
What’s in 2029 ?? Is that when the Rapture is supposed to happen or something?? When George Soros and Jeffrey Epstein come down from heaven on a pink cloud and banish the Deep State & its followers into the Lake of Fire?
Fever Pitch Guy
Ignorant – Maybe not Jeff Epstein, but his cousin Theo will surely come down from Heaven and rule all of MLB as the new commissioner ;O)
Slibb
FRAUD. This is a stain on baseball. Ban Ohtani. Remove Manfred.
Drew Waters Bat
This feels like when Manfraud gave John Coppolella a lifetime ban and then guess what, he’s back in baseball working for the commissioner. You going to give the interpreter a job after also?
HalosHeavenJJ
Ippei’s total gambling losses are over double what he stole from Ohtani.
Still haven’t seen any explanation for that gap.
positively_broad_st
Bookies have very high interest rates when you owe them money…
JoeBrady
Short a bookie $50k and I’ll bet you will get a visit from their compliance department. The indictment says $40M was lost, and $16M was stolen.
So someone owes the bookie $24M? And no one got hurt?
and just as importantly, the bookie extended Ippie a $24,000,000 line of credit, to someone making $200-300k? That’s about 100 years of pre-tax income.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Probably because the bookie knew Ohtani’s money was backing it up.
JoeBrady
But that’s just one more indictment. Is the bookie going to extend Ippie $24M worth of credit, assuming that Ippie will be able to continue tapping Ohtani’s account?
Doral Silverthorn
you don’t know how gambling works. Let’s just say, your AHA moment is flawed.
dodgersdan
Ippei didn’t lose every bet he ever placed. He had gambling winnings as well.
ocladfan
Poor Ohtani, hope he gets his money back.
ArrestArte
Mikenmn
Not to make too obvious a point, but we’ve become a country of conspiracy theorists. Seems to permeate far too many places in our lives.
ButchieYost619
Do you have independent thought or do you parrot “popular opinion”
You (like all of us) live in a world set up and controlled by constant lies and manipulation.
Baseball is no different.
disadvantage
@butch
But in this context “Ohtani is guilty” IS the “popular opinion.” So isn’t it a little ironic you criticize others for parroting “popular opinion” while doing the same regarding Ohtani?
It might be worth reconsidering whether your stance is genuinely “independent”, or if it is actually influenced by the same constant “lies and manipulation” you mention.
Paleobros
It’s like religion. Humans often feel the need to think of anything, even if far fetched, to make sense of and explain something they don’t understand.
It feels like there’s “more” of that thinking now mostly because unlike in the past, basically everybody can have a free voice on the internet. And yes, the irony of me saying this on a comment board is not lost on me:)
Yankee Clipper
Or it’s like evolutionary theory….to explain things they don’t understand. Religion makes more sense than humans developing from amoeba.
BlueSkies_LA
Even worse, really. People not believing in something they don’t have enough information to understand is one matter. More information might even help some to understand it. Not believing in something easily understood by setting up a bias filter to reject all information that doesn’t fit what they already believe is another matter entirely. Nothing helps in that case because the ignorance is deliberate.
JoeBrady
I was going to say that we’ve become a country of of sheep who blindly listen to stories and never question any of the logic.
politicsNbaseball
Please, what is the FBI and DOJ’s motive to cover this up for Ohtani? I’m a conspiracy fan but I just don’t see it here.
JoeBrady
My guess is that they got Ippie and the bookie and felt they had nothing more to gain from the investigation. They are not really covering anything up.
jhanley108
What a joke, 2 months into the season and 2 gambling situations-that are known- involving players. MLB has just become a corporate shitshow to drive revenue. Owners getting new stadiums on taxpayers $. So hypocritical.
NYCityRiddler
Big day for Robbie, couple convictions & an acquittal. “Now what was I gonna do? Oh yea, sign another streaming deal that’ll piss off the fans.” Ahahaha!
slowcurve
Awfully convenient to have an MiLB scapegoat to make an example of. Ohtani is guilty, everyone knows it. Fall guy will get paid once he serves his time. While most of us will still be complaining about the price of groceries.
Americanentropy
If it was a team other than the Dodgers these clowns would not be posting about conspiracy etc. Give it a rest.
oldguyG
Ohtani might not of bet on baseball . But I find it hard to believe by the amount of bets and amount of money changing hands by Ippei ohtani didn’t have a clue .
GinaNCRaysFan
I feel bad for Ohtani. Lots of people will just assume he’s guilty, he’s been betrayed by a close friend, and he’ll probably never see that lost money again.
Granted, he can afford it, but I’ll bet the worst thing about this from Ohtani’s perspective was the betrayal from someone he obviously trusted.
BlueSkies_LA
And yet, if you took a vote, a majority would probably side with the thief over the victim of the theft, no matter how much evidence has to be ignored to get there. This tells us a lot about where the American psyche is today. Good is bad and bad is good.
Rick Wilkins
Lol. Don’t feel bad for him. He’s either in on it (likely), or he’s a complete moron (also likely). Good thing he can hit the baseball far so he can distract the idiots.
BlueSkies_LA
Nobody asked you how you feel about it and you’d be better off if you hadn’t shared it.
CBeisbol
Rick W
Yes. Everyone who gets taken advantage of is a complete moron. That’s definitely a good, healthy and reasonable way to think.
barrybonds1994
You have to figure at this point that MLB thinks its fans are stupid. Wow, ban 4-5 guys that have a combined service time of less days than my toddler’s total days on earth, and close it all out. Lock and throw away the key. Just like how no Astros active players went punished in the sign stealing scandal. This is ALL for show. Why have a commissioner’s office? Just be honest and say, the 30 owners don’t care about integrity if it gets in the way of their pocketbooks.
Fever Pitch Guy
barry – Every day I point out how MLB thinks fans are stupid.
Whether it’s banning all in-person ticket sales to force fans to pay online fees, or now charging sales tax ON TOP of the advertised ticket prices.
Until fans stop blindly bowing down to these sleazy MLB tactics, they kinda have a right to think fans are stupid. Just like charging them $17 for a hot dog. Sadly, people keep buying whatever they are selling.
James Midway
Anyone see that new movie The Fall Guy? I heard it flopped at the box office.
Smelly_Cobb
I’m just curious why Ohtani initially admitted he paid Maz’s debts, and then recanted.
dodgersdan
Ohtani never admitted that. As his translator at the time, Ippei claimed that he did.
DarkSide830
LOL at the people screaming “PR”. The league does not need to care about PR here. Marcano bet on baseball. Ohtani seems to have not. They needn’t prove anything to any of us, and if you stop watching baseball because of this then that’s on you.
positively_broad_st
The mute list has grown tenfold today. I’m at well over 100 now. People are too much with the trolling and conspiracy theories. Seems like very few people are on here to talk baseball. It’s a shame because this website is the best source for baseball news and rumors…
NYCityRiddler
Hmmm, I’m glad you brought that up. Welcome to muted, maroon land broad boy. Ahahaha!
Bucket Number Six
I have been muted. Now I can say anything I want about broad st.
JoeBrady
He’s muted me too. Seems he doesn’t like to discuss matters in a logical fashion. Fine by me. Rational discourse only works for rational people.
letitbelowenstein
Should be: “MLB considers Shohei Ohtani a victim of fraud and he makes MLB millions and millions of dollars, so this matter has been closed.”
JoeBrady
Wow, a dozen articles out there about Ohtani’s investigation being over, and Marcano gets banned for life, all in the same day.
Well Hung
Othani 2035 banned from Hall of Fame voting, possible gambling? As soon as you aren’t useful to MLB on the field you go under the bus and baseball probably claims we weren’t aware of everything, false moral high ground , they haven’t repaired their image since the steroid era , my opinion only
mrmackey
Gotta protect the Golden Goose.
terrymesmer
For all the smug idiots in their tinfoil hats, read the Mizuhara indictment, the plea deal, and the information document that goes with the plea. They are all online in PDF form. I have read them all and there is absolutely no doubt that Ohtani was hoodwinked and robbed by his interpreter.
Do the work or STFU.
Fever Pitch Guy
terry – Many of us, including me, read all of it.
Instead of you trying to arrogantly brush off those with very legit questions, why don’t YOU prove you read it by attempting to answering some of those questions.
Oh that’s right, you can’t. You just want to silence those with opposing viewpoints. Got it.
terrymesmer
>why don’t YOU prove you read it by attempting to answering some of those questions
That is a false framing. I don’t have to prove anything. Mizuhara was caught. There is overwhelming evidence. He confessed — even to his bookie, who defended him! — which you would know if you had bothered to read the materials instead of being a smug clueless idiot pulling “questions” out of his ass.
>You just want to silence those with opposing viewpoints
Spoken like a true conspiracy nut.
Fever Pitch Guy
Terry – Look back at what you wrote, 5-second Freddy …. you’re the one who brought attitude and insults to this discussion.
I already wrote that he confessed, genius. Further proof he’s likely covering for Ohtani, otherwise he wouldn’t have confessed so quickly and easily.
Yes of COURSE the bookie defended him, the whole point of him dealing with Ippei was to avoid Ohtani’s direct involvement. Again you choose to not use your brain, get back to me when you can demonstrate a shred of intelligence.
BlueSkies_LA
Some claim to have read it the indictment but none of it gets through their bias filter. Everything the federal investigators documented, everything Mizuhara has admitted to have done, and will send him to prison for having done, is completely in doubt. Why? Because. Just because. So information only works for people who have open minds and having an open mind is totally unfashionable these days. People being pigheaded and proud of it is what we hear way more often now.
its_happening
Read what Fever Pitch said over and over. You sound like someone who hasn’t done the work. By virtue of reading your comments on the Blue Jays I can validate that.
To say Ohtani was hoodwinked and robbed is a greater con than the alleged situation. What, he didn’t know he was signing the Dodgers contract too? He was hoodwinked into $700-mil? You dropped your tin foil.
terrymesmer
If you morons think you are right, you are allowed to make a court filing with the clerk, contending you have important information bearing on the case. People do this all the time.
Otherwise, shut up.
its_happening
Oh boy. Unhinged Jays fan resorting to name calling early and often.
Next you will say Ohtani didn’t know how to swing a bat or throw a pitch without an interpreter. He knows how to pay for things. If he is blissfully ignorant not to notice significant funds missing that is on him.
Being hoodwinked paints Ohtani as incredibly weak and easily manipulated. Thats an indictment on him. If that’s the hill you’re willing to die on, we can agree to disagree.
JoeBrady
Do the work or STFU.
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I read it in its entirety. I posted all my points above. If you want to debate them one-by-one, let me know.
Do the work or STFU.
terrymesmer
Take your “points” to court, hotshot! Having questions on the Internet is wholly without value. You can petition the court for intervenor status and file your ignorant “points.”
JoeBrady
So you admit that you are beaten? Fine by me. Either refute my points, or slink away.
fred-3
What even are these comments? Not only did the FBI and MLB investigate no wrongdoing, they came to the conclusion that Ohtani was a victim of theft.
LordD99
The belief by these commenters is they think MLB can buy out the FBI and the government agencies, and that no major journalists at the WSJ and other publications would want to investigate this story.
That’s really not it. They’re just fans who want to pick on Ohtani and the Dodgers. It’s just trash talk. No different than usual.
Yanks4life22
I don’t think that’s the case at all. I think it’s anger that there is a certain elite class of people who control all the wealth that buy themselves out of any trouble they get themselves in. And they never have to face consequences.
BlueSkies_LA
Because it’s all a conspiracy, don’t you know? And anyone who doesn’t believe it is part of the conspiracy.
JoeBrady
Yup, anyone that disagrees must be labeled a conspiracist. That’s much more convenient than discussing it.
BlueSkies_LA
This assumes you’ve brought up discussable points. All you’ve really done from the start is question whether the indictment is the complete story and suggested that some other story must be hidden. This implies that the federal law enforcement authorities are in cahoots with MLB to bury something, Mizuhara must had pled to crimes he didn’t commit, and without offering any evidence or logic for why on God’s Green Earth such a thing is even remotely plausible.
By any other name, a conspiracy theory.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
I think, more likely than not, Ohtani is innocent as claimed.
But I also don’t make fun of those who still have doubts. The documentary evidence has not been made public and it most likely never will be.
How did the interpreter fool the bookie into thinking he was wealthy enough to make those bets? He did not first transfer money to his own account to prove that he was good for it. This only makes sense if the interpreter let the bookie think that it was Ohtani placing the bets even if that was untrue. Or if the interpreter deposited money with the bookie prior to placing bets.
And how could Ohtani not have an accountant or adviser reviewing his portfolio at least every quarter?
I will conclude that Ohtani is innocent, but that there is reasonable doubt.
startinglineup
Not trying to be smug.. but just explain a concept.
“Reasonable doubt” is not the way things work. For a criminal conviction the burden of proof is “beyond a reasonable doubt”. Which means you implicitly, categorically, 100% have evidence to nail someone and implicate them in a crime. “Reasonable doubt” is the antithesis to “beyond a reasonable doubt” and would be the basis for someone being acquitted/ not guilty.
It means its possible they didnt
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Starting Lineup (not to be confused with a police lineup):
Reasonable doubt is exactly what I meant to say. If there is a five percent chance that he is guilty, that is reasonable doubt as to his innocence . The words have a correct meaning in our conversation. If there is only a reasonable doubt than there is no basis to press any charges against him, just a basis to speculate and acknowledge that we are not absolutely certain. Reasonable doubt as to gilt is the basis for a criminal acquittal. Preponderance of the evidence or 51 percent is the basis for a civil action. Here I am saying that the people who still suspect Ohtani’s guilt are probably wrong, but there is some room for a little bit of doubt or equivocation.
startinglineup
I understand, but you seem to be saying that the doubt implies his guilt. Whereas the doubt implies his innocence.. is all
Fever Pitch Guy
starting – There is no such thing as innocence. There’s Guilty or Not Guilty, period.
And yes, when the person he accuses of theft confesses to it and nobody else is willing to come forward and cooperate truthfully, it’s an open and shut case.
JoeBrady
Reasonable doubt is a legal construct. This is more like “do you think he is more likely or less than likely”.
If there was $1M on the table, and I had to guess that Ohtani was involved, or not involved, I’m betting on involved. IMO, it is pretty straightforward.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
On a 50-50 bet, I am saying Ohtani was not involved in the gambling. But I do feel like maybe something is being left out of the story that we have been told.
I’d really like to learn more about the interpreter’s spending patterns. I am influenced more by documents than by testimony. And did the interpreter make deposits back into Ohtani’s account when he won? Did he use some money for lifestyle expenses or strictly for gambling?
In any event, I think that people on both sides here have their point. But unless you have seen the documents, you are either just trusting the authorities or relying upon rather broad-brush life experiences that may be totally inapplicable here. We need to see the documents to formulate opinions beyond doubt.
JoeBrady
But I do feel like maybe something is being left out of the story that we have been told.
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This I can agree with. The current story doesn’t even qualify as a fairy tale. I can make up several stories better than the current one.
Maybe Ippie and the bookie always planned on scamming Ohtani, and gambling was a convenient cover. If I were to steal money, I’d steal $20M, return $16M and say I spent the rest on drugs, gambling and women. The victim would probably feel lucky to get even the $16M back, and I’d have $4M in the Caymans.
Or maybe Ohtani did gamble on FB or soccer, like maybe $1M. And the bookie started to blackmail him, and at some point, Ohtani confessed to the commissioner.
These are things that can happen to people and that have a logical thread.
But there is no way I buy the current story.
terrymesmer
> The documentary evidence has not been made public
It has. Read the court filings.
All your questions are answered in the filings. All of them.
LordD99
MLB needs to be more proactive here. Ban ALL betting on all sports. Get rid of these different grade of offenses. A single bet, lifetime ban. From the players through the entire MLB organizations. All sports should follow.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
So if Mookie Betts and Mike Trout have a rotisserie/fantasy basketball with $100 at stake, you want to ban them. Nah. I even feel bad for the minor leaguer who bet under $100 total, combined, cumulative, getting a lifetime ban. Players by cars and watches and dinners for teammates. The rules are good as is, lifetime ban for betting on a game involving your team, one year ban for betting on a baseball game not involving your team if the bet is otherwise legal and no evidence of insider knowledge.
Rsox
MLB is already acting on borderline hypocrisy by partnering with various betting apps while banning players for using said app…
baked mcbride
Came here to roost just to read all the weirdos coming out to play. I’m an O’s fan and I hope he got away with it. Because who cares.
Fever Pitch Guy
baked – You don’t care, but you are here reading all the comments and commenting yourself?
Your handle certainly fits.
Rsox
MLB taking moral superiority while simultaneously getting into bed with multiple gambling sites is peak MLB hypocrisy at its finest
Melchez17
It’s a shame Americans have suspicion of the justice system in their own country.
JoeBrady
There is a long history of it. The Russian Hoax was a farce, and I doubt even Steele thought anyone would take it seriously. Yet the FBI used it.
terrymesmer
Trump-Russia was not a hoax. It’s all laid out in the Mueller Report. Cohen lied under oath about Trump’s business ties with Russia, and Cohen was put in jail for that lie. Mueller also knew Trump’s campaign manager Paul Manafort, who used to work for Russia in Ukraine, met with and passed Trump polling info to an indicted Russia agent, but Manafort had destroyed their communications. Manafort could not be charged with collusion because the evidence was destroyed, but he was convicted of obstructing justice for destroying that same evidence. After Manafort was corruptly pardoned by Trump, Manafort confessed!
Independent: “Ex-Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort admits sharing info with Russians”
Do the work, read the reports and the court filings, before shooting off your fool mouth.
(I have read about five thousands pages of official reports and court filings about Trump. The man and his cronies have committed numerous crimes and told countless lies. It’s been proven in court many, many, many times. They are a lawless, fascist mob.)
its_happening
Ah yes everything in the report was based on “facts”.
Also, you don’t have time to provide strong baseball opinions. No chance you read any document about the alleged collusion or the Ohtani case. You’re not built for that life.
Fever Pitch Guy
Melch – What do you not understand? The FBI has a famous accuser with a clean record, the accused confessed, and nobody else is willing to truthfully cooperate. So what is the FBI supposed to do? There’s no reason to keep the case open any longer. Come on man, use some logic.
bigdaddyhacks
The mlb has such a great history of clearly and fairly investigating *cough astros* that there is no reason to not think that mlb is making sure their poster athlete is above reproach.
terrymesmer
This was not an MLB investigation, it was the FBI.
Oldguy58
They closed it before they opened it
Monkey’s Uncle
Bad optics to close both cases on the same day, and Marcano’s so quickly. I’m not a conspiracy theorist, far from it, but bad optics.
Rsox
Marcano was a fringe Major Leaguer/AAAA player at best. Ohtani is the international face of Baseball, regardless of whatever MLB found their outcomes were never going to be the same
Deleted Userrrr
So because Marcano’s a fringe MLer he doesn’t have a right to due process?
Rsox
More like MLB’s two-tiered justice system. Why scrubs got popped for PED’s but stars never did or why Trevor Bauer was suspended for a year yet no punishment has been given to Julio Urias
Deleted Userrrr
Manfred doesn’t exactly *have* to punish Urias. The teams are doing that for him.
Mojo37
move on people. those of you who insist on ignoring the facts, grow up.
try and enjoy a baseball game tonight instead of wasting your time beating old b.s. into the ground again.
Fever Pitch Guy
Mojo – Did the fans here force Darragh to write this article?
You act like we the fans started this discussion on our own, what’s up with that?
Mojo37
Exactly. Read the article. Read the 37 page indictment. Look at the facts.
mahalkita
Doesn’t even matter what their findings were. Let ’em gamble, let ’em juice, give free runners and bigger bases for all. Change the baseball every once in a while to keep everyone guessing. Baseball has destroyed its history with steroids and a non MLB league being wrongfully and needlessly added to the record books. Stats were a huge part of the fan experience throughout the games history. It’s all meaningless now. I watch a game here and there but the things that made baseball great are forever tainted.
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
MLB had already adopted pre-MLB records, so what’s the difference? The talent level of the segregated leagues were the same, as we found out after integration….
CBeisbol
mahalkita
Make them pitch underhanded. Make the pitchers throw the ball where the batters want. Make them play to 21. You’re out if the ball is caught on a bounce. A walk in 9 balls. etc…
DeusSexMachina
lol, suck it tinfoil hat haters!
aragon
Why isn’t Ohtani suing Ippei or the bookie to recover the losses? That is the first thing I or any normal sane person would do. Not that I am very sane, though.
BlueSkies_LA
Mizuhara is broke and the bookie wasn’t the one who stole the money from Ohtani. So what would he be sued for, exactly?
JoeBrady
He also would sue the bank. When I see the bank handing him back the $16M that was stolen from his account, I will gladly change my tune and admit that I was wrong, and that Ohtani was the victim.
Now, does anyone want to wager on that happening?
BlueSkies_LA
Doubtful. The bank committed no crime and can readily argue that they were also victims of this fraud. Unless they failed to take normal and reasonable precautions the bank won’t be liable for a theft they did not commit.
JoeBrady
He would also sue his financial management company. When he sees an account with -0- in it, and it should be $16M in there, he’ll ask what happened to it. If his accountant says that his interpreter told them not to look at the account with the missing $16M, the lawyers will step in.
BlueSkies_LA
You are simply not paying any attention at all. I see no point in trying to respond to any question or theory you pose since you simply ignore the answers.
JoeBrady
I see no point in trying to respond to any question or theory
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You’ve never once tried to refute any of my points. Almost all your responses, to almost everyone, is that they should read the report.
You are very likely wrong, and for all the points that I listed.
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
Feels good, man….
Deleted Userrrr
All this thread is missing is filihok announcing to the whole board that he’s muting everyone.
Fever Pitch Guy
Nando – I’ve often wondered if Samuel did just that.
Deleted Userrrr
Pretty sure they’re the same guy and he created filihok cuz he ran out of people to mute on Samuel.
Fever Pitch Guy
Nando – Good catch, I didn’t think of that. You’re probably right, mute too many and it causes a huge amount of comments to be hidden.
JoeBrady
LOL! I haven’t seen him recently. Is it possible that he’s muted the entire board?
altctrlmute?
Deleted Userrrr
Like to see him and Pads Fans/outinleftfield/websoulsurfer/BaseballisLife/Koamalu get into an argument with each other and see who goes to the mute first.
JoeBrady
He’s had a bad run ever since the Soto swindle.
1-They swore none of the prospects were any good.
2-They swore that Soto was in SD forever.
3-They swore that the Padres weren’t cutting back on payroll.
4-They swore that Acee was wrong on everything.
5-They swore that the NYY would have to give up top-tier prospects even with only one year left.
Cognitive dissonance can be a beautiful thing to see.
Deleted Userrrr
And that the Padres wouldn’t move Bogaerts off shortstop and that Lindsey Hill’s lawyer specifically said that they would be refiling her lawsuit against Trevor Bauer because that video he put out violated the terms of the settlement and historically that Justin Upton and Freddy Galvis would stay in SD forever.
Deleted Userrrr
Oh! I almost forgot. He said that the Padres and Ha-Seong Kim will both exercise their mutual option for 2025.
Annihilus
I remember all those times I was missing millions of dollars. I didn’t notice because, I mean who checks their bank account? I always trust my employer to do what’s right, and the bank, and all the places I spend money at.
But hey, it never really mattered because I know the government is lightning fast in all criminal trials. That surely is the government way.
CBeisbol
Re Ann
The number of people here who think their pedestrian lives give them insight into how multi-millionaires live is embarassing
JoeBrady
It’s an opinion board. If you don’t like reading opinions, then don’t read them.
CBeisbol
Take your own advice, Joe
I like reading informed opinions, I find no value in uninformed blowhards like Anni spouting idiocy about how because they, in their pedestrian lives, do A, superstars like Ohtani must do the same thing
Maybe, you like reading idiocy, that’s fine.
Annihilus
The irony of your statement is fantastic. You embarrass yourself.
CBeisbol
Anni
Agreed
I already pointed out how contradictory Joe’s comment is.
Almost as embarrassing as you thinking that your life in any way resembles Ohtani’s
PutPeteinthehall
Is Mizuhara out awaiting sentencing? If so there is already a voluntary deportation paid for by Ohtani scheduled. Probably thru Mexico. Maybe the Dodgers make an assist. Ohtani and Dodgers owner won’t be going to prison for mis recording the payments. There won’t be any penalties for sending a man with a long prison sentence back home. That’s reserved for paying blackmail to a prostitute. Watch he will never see prison. He’s going to vanish.
YankeesBleacherCreature
The U.S. has an extradition treaty with Japan. If he was fleeing, he would’ve been long gone not back to Japan and not posted bond skipping his official arraignment.
JoeBrady
“Extradition from Japan is rare, and even more so for Japanese nationals in connection with white collar offenses.”
ropesgray.com/en/insights/alerts/2019/06/in-rare-m…
It’s an interesting article. Also, US citizens can serve in the US rather than Japan, so I assume the opposite could also be true.
JoeBrady
*US citizens in Japanese prisons can serve time in US prisons instead (in some circumstances)
Rays in the Bay
Remember, Banks are too big to fail. And so are baseball superstars. Gambling is frowned upon in Japan so if he was found guilty, his career would have been over… Thank goodness he had a scapegoat ready at the helm…