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Marlins Parting Ways With Assistant GMs Oz Ocampo, Dan Greenlee

By Anthony Franco | August 12, 2024 at 10:01pm CDT

The Marlins informed assistant general managers Dan Greenlee and Oz Ocampo that their contracts will not be renewed in 2025, report Barry Jackson and Craig Mish of the Miami Herald. The front office changes go beyond the AGM ranks. ESPN’s Alden González reports that the Fish are overhauling a lot of their player development department and are parting ways with international scouting director Roman Ocumarez.

It’s common for new baseball operations leaders to replace a lot of their top personnel fairly early in their tenure. Miami hired president of baseball operations Peter Bendix last November. Shortly before Bendix’s hiring, former GM Kim Ng declined her end of a mutual option after owner Bruce Sherman informed her the team was planning to hire a baseball ops president (thereby dropping Ng to second in the front office hierarchy).

Greenlee and Ocampo predated Bendix in the Miami front office. The Fish hired Greenlee back in 2017 and promoted him to AGM at the end of the 2020 campaign, just before they tabbed Ng to run baseball operations. Ocampo was an Ng hire, joining the organization over the 2022-23 offseason after spending time with the Astros and Pirates in international scouting.

The Marlins operated with four assistant GMs this season. They don’t actually have a general manager following Ng’s departure. Brian Chattin has been a part of the organization for more than a quarter century and has held an AGM title for nine seasons. Bendix surprisingly tabbed former Giants manager Gabe Kapler as an assistant GM last December. Jackson and Mish report that Chattin is expected to remain with the organization.

Both The Miami Herald and ESPN write that Kapler is expected to continue serving as an assistant GM next season as well. That should end any speculation about Kapler potentially making the jump back to the manager’s office in Miami. The Fish are generally expected to part ways with second-year manager Skip Schumaker at season’s end. While Schumaker won the Senior Circuit’s Manager of the Year award in his first season, the Marlins agreed to void a 2025 club option on his contract last winter after the manager reportedly voiced his displeasure with the organization’s handling of Ng’s situation.

It’s entirely possible that Bendix would have put his stamp on the front office regardless of how the team performed in 2024. The way the team played immediately solidified that they were headed for an organizational overhaul. Bendix oversaw a quiet first offseason from a player personnel perspective. The Fish never seemed strong believers that they’d repeat last year’s surprising playoff berth.

An 0-9 start tanked their season from the beginning and the Marlins pulled the trigger on a Luis Arraez trade just six weeks into the season. They followed up with trades of Jazz Chisholm Jr., Bryan De La Cruz, Josh Bell, Trevor Rogers and most players of note from their bullpen (e.g. Tanner Scott, A.J. Puk, Huascar Brazoban). Were it not for a brutal stretch of injury luck in the rotation, they’d probably have dealt Jesús Luzardo and potentially Braxton Garrett or Ryan Weathers as well.

It’s yet another full rebuild in Miami, one that’ll certainly continue into next offseason and quite likely the ’25 trade deadline. There are likely to be more changes throughout the roster, coaching staff and potentially in the front office as they try to turn the page on one of the worst seasons in franchise history.

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  1. Bauer Poutage

    10 months ago

    These were the two that thought De La Cruz was worth keeping.

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  2. Charlie III

    10 months ago

    Nowhere to go but up!

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    • kcmark

      10 months ago

      Have you seen the ChiSox?

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  3. Monkey’s Uncle

    10 months ago

    “Parting ways” = “we’re going forward without you, and the exit is that way”

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    • BaseballisLife

      10 months ago

      “We are going backwards and doing it with someone who we will be able to pay less.”

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  4. Charlie III

    10 months ago

    It is sort of strange to employ a manager whom everyone knows is leaving at the end of the year.

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    • LFGSD619

      10 months ago

      Brewers did it

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  5. Van Lingle Mungo

    10 months ago

    Dumpster fire of an organization. Kapler was a decent player-development guy, but not a good manager.

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    • BannedMarlinsFanBase

      10 months ago

      Man, if a team that won two championships is a dumpster fire, I wonder what all of the teams that have not won championships during the last 27 years are.

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      • Van Lingle Mungo

        10 months ago

        21 years and counting. They’re a dumpster fire.

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  6. Sunday Lasagna

    10 months ago

    Two World Series Championships, but they have never won a Division Title.

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    • User 4245925809

      10 months ago

      So much of the Marlin organization is in opposite contrast to that of 200m away TB Rays. Tampa long history of winning/developing. marlins opposite, venen draft pretty bad down in Miami. Leadership, since manager Freddi gonzalez has not been good and that goes back years. GM’s more of the same, tho myself thought Kim NG was a breath of fresh air and worthy.

      Only real area give Marlins kudos to over TB and goes to the begining of both is announcers. TB has really never, ever had anybody who wasn’t full blown clown/homer in their booth calling games, sand 1 year of kevin kennedy who did color 1yr home games. Rest, since very begining wear rays tinted glasses..100%.

      Marlins have had some of the best, from Rich Walz years ago to once fired and now rehired ex player Tommy hutton. call the game like it is, warts and all. Too few David Simms (Mariners) Eckersley (retired, did R/Sox) types around the game now.

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      • Kruk it

        10 months ago

        Huh?

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        • Rsox

          10 months ago

          My understanding of it is in comparison to the Rays management bad, broadcasters good….

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      • formerlyz

        10 months ago

        I think Severino is abhorrent, and makes everyone else worse. Love Tommy, obviously, and I like Rod Hill. Should have never let Rich Walz go. Clown move

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        • formerlyz

          10 months ago

          *Rod Allen

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      • User 233153075

        10 months ago

        This is literally illegible garbage

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  7. Astrosfn1979

    10 months ago

    Oz has an amazing record of finding MLB pitchers among older Latin American prospects.

    Just look at the guys he found for Houston.

    He should have his pick of suitors. He won’t he unemployed long.

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    • formerlyz

      10 months ago

      All of his signings have flamed out almost immediately, so far…

      I was definitely interested at the time b/c of the total lack of attention in the international market, but I have faith Bendix will bring someone legit in, considering his track record with the Rays in that area

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      • Astrosfn1979

        10 months ago

        Framber Valdez, Bryan Abreu, Cristian Javier, Ronel Blanco, Luis Garcia and Jose Urquidy say “hi”

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        • formerlyz

          10 months ago

          None of them play for the Marlins organization…which is clearly what I meant

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        • Bart Harley Jarvis

          10 months ago

          Hi, guys!

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        • formerlyz

          10 months ago

          Jericho?

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        • Astrosfn1979

          10 months ago

          Sorry I reacted to what you wrote w/o a deep think on your meaning.

          Oz’s strength is in international scouting. There is no way ANY of the guys he brought in have had any time at all to show/prove themselves.

          I don’t have a list of who he brought in, but his history shows they will look much much better in 2-5 years.

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        • Bart Harley Jarvis

          10 months ago

          That’s okay. I was just saying hi back to Framber, Bryan, Cristian, Ronel, Luis, and Jose. Good manners will help us through this rough patch.

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        • DarkSide830

          10 months ago

          Ocampo’s been with Miami for less than 2 years. How is he supposed to turn the literally kids the team has signed as international amateurs into stars in 2 years?

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        • formerlyz

          10 months ago

          O I thought it was a Chris jericho reference, for a learning moment lol

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        • formerlyz

          10 months ago

          Not saying that, but they’ve flamed out. For an organization that hasn’t participated in international market in that way for a long time, they need to hit on these guys, and they’re barely making it past the Dominican summer league, and struggling mightily immediately. At that point, they were better off ignoring the market the way they were before

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  8. SweetBabyRayKingsThickThighs

    10 months ago

    Gabe Kapler will be the manager next year.

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    • Big Smoke

      10 months ago

      LOL good one

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      • Rsox

        10 months ago

        He’s probably not joking…

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    • outinleftfield

      10 months ago

      You are probably right. Skip had them void the team option on his contract for next season, so it’s kind of obvious that he wants out.

      mlbtraderumors.com/2024/04/marlins-reportedly-void…

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      • Big Smoke

        10 months ago

        How does that correlate with Kapler becoming the new manager next season?

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        • Rsox

          10 months ago

          In-house option, familiar with the organization and has prior managing experience. Maybe not guaranteed but you have to imagine they would at least interview him

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  9. Butter Biscuits

    10 months ago

    Take Brandon Gomes for a ptbnl

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  10. Old York

    10 months ago

    I miss the Florida Marlins teams that bought championships and the did fire sales. Those were the good’ol days.

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  11. outinleftfield

    10 months ago

    Who will be the POBO/GM the next time the Marlins are relevant?

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    • DarkSide830

      10 months ago

      Someone not born yet.

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  12. The Saber-toothed Superfife

    10 months ago

    Well, they’re not lollygagging around like in Detroit.

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    • This one belongs to the Reds

      10 months ago

      You know what that makes them? Lollygaggers!

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  13. RBFSSolution

    10 months ago

    Bendix is nothing without the blueprint to teach pitchers the Roger Beshens Football Slider. The Rays and Bendix learned it when they saw Glasnow throwing the RBFS with Pitt in June 2018. Where is Roger Beshens? Talking with Brent Strom, notice Nelson elevating his game, why didn’t Nelson do that last year. Next guy working on Cecconi. Walston needs to throw the RBFS more.

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  14. BaseballisLife

    10 months ago

    Bendix just canned most of his baseball development, analytics, and scouting personnel. 21 people fired total and more have been informed they will be let go at the end of their respective minor league seasons. Not sure he has anyone left at all in international scouting. Skip Schumaker forced them to void their option for 2025. Purges like this rarely work out well for the organization. Building back up that much staff will take multiple years. I don’t think Bendix will be around when the organizational rebuild is done, let alone the one on the field.

    We have friends that are Marlins fans and season ticket holders and I feel for them. As bad as it’s been, it just got much worse.

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    • RBFSSolution

      10 months ago

      When you have a simple blueprint like the Rays learned in 2018, it’s not hard to get the right personnel in there. It’s all about pitching and developing that non traditional slider called the sweeper. What do the Rays do, search for guys with good velo and command and teach them the Roger Beshens Football Slider which is the Sweeper and Gyro.
      Spend the big money on the hitting, teach a select group of pitchers that RBFS. It’s that simple, Roger Beshens is talking with Strom now, you get a guy like that in there that can teach his perfect grip, tilt and wrist action along with shaping it, pitchers will be ready in no time. Bendix, Farid, NG all of them took Roger Beshens info and ran with it. They don’t belong in MLB, this information should go to deserving ex players. They need to know how the football slider, Sweeper, gyro is thrown. MLB messed up with the Sweeper which is just the football slider thrown from a lower arm angle. If the truth came out none of this nonsense would be happening.

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      • BaseballisLife

        10 months ago

        Bendix didn’t just fire two AGM’s. He died 10 scouts including 3 crosscheckers and his international chief. He fired 4 field coordinators in the minors. His manager and likely all the major league coaches will be gone. He fired the head of analytics and the 2 top people on that staff. And we still don’t know about the ones on minor league managerial and coaching staffs that have been told they will not be restained, but the season is ongoing.

        It’s extremely difficult to replace that many high level personnel. They are only so many qualified people and the vast majority already have jobs.

        The sweeper is just another pitch. It’s not that important. So can it about that BS.

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        • formerlyz

          10 months ago

          This news is amazing to me, as a Marlins fan. I’ve been saying there has to be some type of underlying thing in the organization. There is just no way that many different new people could come in, and immediately lose competency; it’s clear Bendix only waited to make moves b/c of crybaby fans, and I like what he did. Asset management has been q clown show for this organization for like 15 years. There is an overall smugness there as well, and everyone needed to go

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        • RBFSSolution

          10 months ago

          The sweeper is the Roger Beshens Football Slider thrown from a lower arm angle. Snell, Cole….throw it over the top, You are going to say that non traditional slider isn’t that important, just another pitch?
          Snell and Cole learned that RBFS in May 2018, BOTH of them couldn’t even avg a K an IP before 2018. Think about that.
          That Football Slider is everything.to them, ringing the register and teams winning the world series with it.
          Imagine If Glasnow, Flaherty, Musgrove, Sonny Gray…and hundreds more didn’t learn the Roger Beshens Football Slider.

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        • RBFSSolution

          10 months ago

          Look at the Dbacks, they never would have went to the World Series without the Roger Beshens Football Slider. Pfaadt, Ginkel, Sewald, Thompson and now this year they added PUK who throws it along with Martinez. Floro.
          If Montgomery threw it 83-86 he would get out of his funk.
          If Ryne Nelson threw the RBFS 89-91 he would be like Snell, Glasnow, Cole.
          Jarvis threw the cutter/BAD TILT, Meat wagon, elbow.
          Kyle Nelson upped his cutter usage, became useless.
          Merrill Kelly upped his cutter usage, hope he ditches it, he’s a time bomb.
          Walston hurt his elbow on the Cutter if he keeps throwing it he’s meat wagon.

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        • Chris from NJ

          10 months ago

          Every generation has a new out pitch that guys start throwing and have success with. In the 80’s it was the splitter. The sweeper reminds me a lot of the split in the sense that everyone’s got one nowadays. Wait a few years and they’ll be blaming arm injuries on overuse and it will fall out of favor for another “new” breaking ball. Darvish has been throwing a sweeper for years as did Jesse Orosco back when except it was called a Frisbee slider.

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        • RBFSSolution

          10 months ago

          In 2018 something happened that never happened before, more strikeout’s than hits. It was cause of the Roger Beshens Football Slider. Over 50 pitchers like Snell, Cole..for the 1st time in their pro careers averaged over a K an IP, something now that seems normal.
          The Sweeper is an obvious slider Andrew Miller threw not even close to a split.
          What you aren’t understanding is EVERY pitcher that ever threw the Football Slider like Guidry, Carlton, Andrew Miller, Brad Hand never told other pitchers on their staff or came to spring training every year helping others learned it. The Proof of this in 2017 Al Leiter asked Ron Guidry how he throws his slider and Guidry responded, Why would I teach you how to take my pitch away from me. I can post that video on you tube if you would like cause that’s exactly how Andrew Miller, and other feel. They could have helped others and chose not too. Roger Beshens in May 2018 on twitter messages hundreds of ML pitchers his Grip, Tilt and Wrist action which is On center grip, Throw like Football, Stiff wrist.. That Roger Beshens Football Slider introduced in MLB in May 2018 changed the landscape. If Roger Beshens told pitchers this in 1995 it would have happened then.

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        • Chris from NJ

          10 months ago

          First of all I never said the sweeper is the split. I said the sweeper is the vogue strike out pitch of the day as the splitter was in the 80’s. Roy Firestone once asked Steve Carlton “Why do think you were put on this earth?” Carlton replied “To teach the world how to throw the slider”. I kinda doubt Carlton didn’t offer tips on how to throw it. But how many pitchers pitched like Carlton?. What Leiter was trying to explain wasn’t that pitchers have secret grips he was explaining that when he was coming up Guidry viewed him as a threat and didn’t want to help him in anyway. Not just his slider. Leiter was a hard throwing hot shot lefty. Guidry was at the end hanging on point. If Leiter asked Guidry how do you tie your shoes, I doubt Guidry would have told him. As for Andrew Miller. Didn’t he have access to video? If he wanted to learn the pitch, analytics and video would have had break downs for him to study. Plus Miller isn’t a dummy he could have figured it out. I get it. It’s a secret pitch and those who know aren’t telling,even though there is tons of videos of “the football slider”.

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        • RBFSSolution

          10 months ago

          Roger Beshens in May 2024 was in the Dbacks Clubhouse showing Brent Strom his Football Slider.
          That should tell you this sh%ts for real.

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        • RBFSSolution

          10 months ago

          Jim Kaat said “Steve Carlton showed me how he threw it in 1976…He and Sparky Lyle were similar..They tilted the ball a certain way and…Lefty just threw it as hard as he could…most of us couldn’t do that and didn’t try.
          That means Carlton didn’t want anyone throwing it. Even if he didn’t do it exactly as Roger Beshens teaches it’s obvious, Snell, Glasnow, Cole, and hundreds of others throw it as good or better than Carlton.
          Miller threw the football slider for years in MLB and he didn’t go around telling his teammates, Why would he, he rings the register and is the best on the team.
          There’s so much documented stuff like Jordan Hicks in June 2018 having a new slider. Glasnow, Taillon, Musgrove in June 2018, literally dozens alone in 2018 and then every year it just expanded. It’s obvious why Matt Blake and Ethan Katz got hired. It’s easy to see the blueprint, every year the guys that throw the Roger Beshens Football Slider the best wins the World Series. MLB needs to just come out and it will help people around the world to throw the pitch properly, stop the injuries.. Teams are morphing the RB Football Slider to be a cutter so it’s thrown harder and that’s why most of the injuries.

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        • Chris from NJ

          10 months ago

          So what you’re saying is Carlton taught Kaat the grip and the delivery, but Kaat knowing he didn’t have the velocity that Carlton had knew it would be of little use to him. How many pitchers of that era had Carlton’s velocity? Two maybe three? Don’t you think Carlton was aware of that? I don’t see how Carlton instructing another picther is proof that he didn’t want anyone else throwing the pitch. If fact is the opposite. He saying here it is good luck with it. There’s lots of stuff every year about pitchers picking up new pitches and everyone of those guys you mentioned got hurt throwing the pitch. It doesn’t matter who teaches it to you, it’s how you throw it. The sweeper is in vogue right now. A single pitch in a repertoire does not win the World Series. The team that pitches the best and scores more than the other team wins. Sweeper or not. The Fastball is still the best and most important pitch to have.

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        • RBFSSolution

          10 months ago

          A football slider can be thrown at ANY velocity so Kaat would have thrown it if Carlton didn’t give him the run around.
          The run around is pitching Ninja has pictures of Carlton teaching it and EINSTEIN couldn’t figure it out. So Carlton like Guidry doens’t want anyone duplicating his slider.
          What new pitches are there? They are just other names for the Roger Beshens Football slider. Whirly, death pitch, Slutter. they are just morphed Roger Beshens Football Sliders. Probably a 1/4 of cutters are RB Football Sliders.
          You take away the Football Slider from Ginkel, Pfaadt, Flaherty, Glasnow, Snell, Cole they can’t even avg over a K an IP. Do you realize Cole and Snell couldn’t avg over a K an IP until 2018 when RB showed them?
          Nobody has just one pitch it’s the ONE secondary pitch added to the fastball that’s changed the MLB landscape and that’s the Roger Beshens Football SLider.
          Fastball velocity is needed but it’s not the best or important pitch. It’s the velocity and command of it.

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        • Chris from NJ

          10 months ago

          No he wouldn’t have. Carlton threw his slider hard all the time. He had a regular curve as well. Do you think Kaat who was a very smart pitcher is gonna throw a pitch that will end up 2 feet short because he didn’t have the velocity? Not happening. I know Lefty wasn’t the best with the media but again when asked what was he put on earth to do. He replied “To teach the world to throw the slider”. Not shroud it in mystery. And again when Carlton and Guidry pitched it was a different game. Player’s weren’t so friendly. I’d imagine if Carlton didn’t want Kaat to know he would have told him to get lost. And you are aware the Einstein was long dead before Carlton ever threw a pitch? And the Fastball has always been and will always be the most important pitch in baseball. Pitching is the fastball. Wow you said Einstein and even capitalized it.

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        • RBFSSolution

          10 months ago

          What do you have to say about Brent Strom inviting Roger Beshens into the Dbacks Clubhouse in May 2024 to show him certain techniques of his football slider?
          You think Roger Beshens cares about Einstein or if Carlton was telling the truth about his slider? LOL
          If Kaat threw the football slider two feet short I bet he could figure how to fix that issue, LOL
          You’re a dummy.
          Learn the game one day.

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        • Chris from NJ

          10 months ago

          I knew you’d feel small when you were proven wrong. You said Einstein couldn’t figure it out as a fact trying to prove your point!!!!. What a mental midget. You know why Beshens gets no credit? Because he didn’t invent anything. He’s another failed player with a YouTube channel. You know nothing about pitching or the sport for that matter. Look at the things you’ve been posting. Your hilarious. I know it’s cruel but idiots like you really make me laugh. Beshens is a fraud¡ Thanks for the laugh!!!

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        • RBFSSolution

          10 months ago

          Brent Strom invited Roger Beshens into the Dbacks Clubhouse to teach him techniques of his football Slider in May 2024.
          You think Roger Beshens cares about followers on you tube, Twitter or any social media or the bozo’s like yourself?
          You’re a dime a dozen, little man.

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        • Chris from NJ

          10 months ago

          Are you still talking?? Beshens means nothing. Like a said another failure who couldn’t hack it with YouTube channel “teaching”. If I’m dime a dozen what does that make you? The moron who keeps going on and on about a guy no one cares about. Run along kiddo. Grown people are busy and don’t have time for your nonsense. I’m still laughing about your Einstein comment!!!Your an imbecile. Now go run along. Roger’s calling.

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        • BaseballisLife

          10 months ago

          I need to spellcheck. Wow

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        • RBFSSolution

          10 months ago

          What was your response to Brent Strom inviting Roger Beshens into the Dbacks Clubhouse for a Football Slider session with Beshens?

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      • draker

        10 months ago

        Please repeat yourself again please

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        • RBFSSolution

          10 months ago

          Until a person of influence comes out like a Brent Strom it needs to be repeated for the uneducated ones. MLB muting, blocking, deflecting, Lying, fibbing, Pitching labs, scheme shifted wake, pitching ninja interviewing guys like Sonny Gray who clearly learned the Football Slider in late 2018 from Roger Beshens with the Yankees and then threw it with the Reds. All this BS needs to be exposed and will at the end of this 2024 season. Pitch design, a wake forest pitching lab with gurus, it’s just the Roger Beshens Football Slider. MLB coming out with Sweeper is Bush league, it’s a joke. Tom Tango Baseball savant has a message to Roger Beshens in Nov 2018 “lets call it football slider for now”

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        • RBFSSolution

          10 months ago

          Brent Strom is talking with Roger Beshens in the Dbacks Clubouse learning more about the Roger Beshens Football Slider. Nelson has benefited, Cecconi, Tommy Henry, still work in progress. Others throwing it very well.
          Floro possible adjustment needed.

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      • jimmertee

        10 months ago

        What is old is new again. Look at Dave Stieb’s slider in the 80’s or Mark Eichcorn side arm sweeper. both devastating pitches.

        @Pretango, what you are saying is nothing new and it doesn’t need repeating over and over, once is enough.

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        • RBFSSolution

          10 months ago

          Hundreds of ML pitchers are throwing it in numbers since May 2018. Why? Roger Beshens explained how to throw his football slider. On center grip, throw like football, stiff wrist.
          Why didn’t Steib or others explain how they threw it? If they said what Roger Beshens did the Football Slider revolution would have happened then.
          Roger Beshens was in the Dbacks Clubhouse May 2024 showing Strom his Football SLider. Strom invited him there.
          Roger Beshens influenced hundreds of ML pitchers to throw his football slider. He never said he created the pitch he influenced hundreds to start throwing it in May 2018.
          Jimmertee not only is your response inaccurate to me but there are others in this forum that would like to have accurate information.

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    • Chris from NJ

      10 months ago

      You hit it on the head. These tear downs never work. And Bendix certainly won’t be around to see whatever he is trying to do come to fruition. The Marlins are really a dumpster fire of an organization.

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      • Ronk325

        10 months ago

        Tear downs absolutely work if the right people are running the show. Look at what the Cubs, Astros, and Orioles have managed after going through extensive rebuilds. Bendix is just clearing out the trash left over from the incompetent administration that was in place before him

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        • Chris from NJ

          10 months ago

          Your right I should rephrase that tear downs rarely work and when they do they take time. The tear down in Houston took 10 years to bring them back in contention. The Orioles while looking locked and stocked for the next few years haven’t won anything yet and had been terrible for 10 years before that. The Cubs had a great farm system, brought in some high ticket signings that panned out and they also brought in a genius named Theo Epstein. I understand what Bendix is doing and I hope it works. Knowing Miami’s track record and the length of time rebuilds realistically take I doubt Bendix will be around to see it if it all does come to fruition.

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        • Ronk325

          10 months ago

          The Astros started their rebuild in 2010 and were competitive again in 2015. The Cubs started theirs around 2010-2011 and were competitive again in 2015. The Orioles started theirs in 2018 and were competitive again in 2022. It doesn’t take anywhere near ten years so long as the right people are in charge. Bendix was Neander’s number two in Tampa prior to getting the Marlins job. He should be able to get them going within a few years. They already had a solid group of SPs before he got there and he did well at the trade deadline. The NL East should be a tough division going forward but the Marlins should be able to compete in the near future

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        • Chris from NJ

          10 months ago

          I guess it depends on where you are placing the start of the rebuilds. IMO the Astros started their rebuild when Bagwell and Biggio were finishing up and Petite went back to the Yankees. So I’d place the start in 06 or 07 and were competitive by 2015. The Orioles again IMO rebuild started in 2015 when they had Machado and could have built around him and got competitive last season. Where as the Cubs I would have to place the start of their rebuild and it the quickest of them all at 09 and they were winning by 2015. The Cubs and Astros also spent when they needed too. The signings of Lester for the Cubs or the Astros adding a veteran like Carlos Beltran put them over the top. And now with new ownership in place hopefully Baltimore spends a bit. Assuming Bendix’s overhaul is completely successful and everything breaks right. He’ll need to convince ownership to spend and that might be a tall order. The way I see it and again it’s a total opinion, but the fastest I see Miami being competitive again is 2030 and that’s the earliest. They don’t have a Skenes down on the farm and their best player is coming off a major surgery. So Alcantara will have to build his value back for a decent return. And as I said I’m not sure Bendix will survive. Miami’s organization isn’t Tampa’s. I’m not sure if he’ll be given the autonomy he needs.

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        • BaseballisLife

          10 months ago

          Many teams have rebuilt their organization over a period of years. Only a few have been foolish enough to try to replace 50% or more of their staff in one offseason.

          Bendix may be an uber-genius and this turns out good. I don’t see it working out that way.

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        • BaseballisLife

          10 months ago

          Ronk, you are talking about players, not baseball operations staff.

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        • Chris from NJ

          10 months ago

          Exactly.

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        • Ronk325

          10 months ago

          The Astros days as legitimate contenders were over then but they still tried to remain competitive for a few more years. Their rebuild kicked off in earnest in 2010 once Luhnow’s crew came in and they traded Oswalt and Berkman. The Orioles were a wild card team in 2016 and didn’t ultimately start tanking until 2018. Elias’ crew also didn’t take over until 2019. Epstein’s crew didn’t take over the Cubs until 2012. See where I’m going with this. The Marlins will have the best odds at getting the top pick in next year’s draft so that should give them another blue chip prospect to build around. Things can turn around quickly with a couple of good drafts

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        • Ronk325

          10 months ago

          I was talking about both. Kim Ng’s administration couldn’t produce big league caliber hitters and was ultimately a resounding failure. The Marlins have no reason to keep any of those people around

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        • Chris from NJ

          10 months ago

          I see where your going but again it’s all subjective to when rebuilds begin. If you were winning and then age and performance start to wane and core players retire/move along rebuilds start. I agree it was Luhnow who turned the Astros around and Elias has done a great job so far. Theo inherited a 500 team and again a lot of what Theo did was spend some money. The White Sox are getting that top pick this year!! But a few good drafts improves any team not just a rebuilding team. I’ll be interested in seeing how Bendix replaces all of these people. Miami isn’t going to be the easiest sell. We’ll see. He’s already made some mistakes like holding on to Garrett when the return for him would have been at its highest. Ditto with Luzardo. I know nobody can predict injuries. But again We’ll see. The more competitive teams the better.

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        • Ronk325

          10 months ago

          You’re downplaying a lot of Theo’s biggest moves. The Cubs’ financial might definitely helped but trading for Rizzo and Arrietta and drafting Bryant and Schwarber were just as impactful if not more than any free agent signing outside of Lester. The White Sox are ineligible to receive the top pick next year due to the way the draft lottery works so the Marlins will have the highest odds at the top pick. I agree that Bendix should have sold high on Garrett and Luzardo last offseason but that probably would have been a bad PR move as his first order of business after taking over a team that made the wild card. Most people could see that the Marlins were a fluke last year but the optics still would have been bad

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        • Chris from NJ

          10 months ago

          Your right I forgot about the lotto. I’m not downplaying the trades for Arrieta and Rizzo or his drafts. He had the money to spend to add Lester,Lackey, and Heyward who at the time was a good signing. I’m sorry but the Cubs don’t win in 2016 without Lester. That showed the Cubs weren’t just talented but that they were willing to spend. I don’t know if Florida will ever do that. I agree the optics would have been bad but like you said most people saw the fluke nature of Miami’s playoff appearance last year. But I think Bendix knew. He started selling in May. But totally agreed the optics would have been terrible. But on the other hand it wasn’t a banner off-season either. Tim Anderson was the guy they brought in. I get it that Soler wasn’t coming back and the Garcia contract had them hamstrung. But the Anderson signing was kind of a white flag at least from my perspective. I sincerely hope that Bendix turns it around. The more competitive teams the better. It’s not going to be easy.

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  15. This one belongs to the Reds

    10 months ago

    No more Dr. Oz in Miami.

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    • Bart Harley Jarvis

      10 months ago

      Have you seen the price of crudités?

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  16. RBFSSolution

    10 months ago

    Bendix decided to better his position by not teaching the Roger Beshens Football Slider to the whole organization at this time. When all is cleaned out he will.
    PUK and Tanner Rogers threw the RB Football Slider.
    Bendix could have had people teach the current Marlins that football slider but Bendix has agenda and it’s in his best interest. The current Marlins should have never hired this turd.
    Bendix, NG, Farid all should be excused from MLB and MLB should hire respected people but MLB decided to not admit what the Sweeper really is or how it’s thrown.

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    • Ronk325

      10 months ago

      We get it Roger, your football slider is an elite pitch. Now please stop spamming the comments section

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  17. UKPhil

    10 months ago

    It seems to me there are some good things about the organization. For such a low ranked Farm system they seem to have some success in the Minors 1 very strong DSL team. Top class FCL, Near Championship level low A .480 High A, Near Championship AA and a little under .500 AAA. Not bad for 28th place farm system at the beginning of the season.

    The day the Marlins develop an elite position player prospect, I’ll feel better about them.

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  18. kbr

    10 months ago

    Those are just the scapegoat for Bendix. I give Bendix no more than 3 years before he’s replaced. He’s been a disaster for the Marlins.

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  19. UKPhil

    10 months ago

    I’m hoping Skip re-signs with the Marlins. At the time they voided the team option he did not know Bendix. It seems to me Skip is the right kind of manager to contrast with a Bendix style POBO

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  20. Redwolves3

    10 months ago

    Is Assistant General Manager Gabe Kapler on the chopping block or in line for a promotion?

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  21. jimmertee

    10 months ago

    The real story of what happened in the Marlins camp and why the bloodletting is going on now….

    Derek jeter had a private agreement with Bruce Sherman – that they would build a winner starting with drafting and developing young players and when they started to amass a load of talent [2023] at the major league level, the budget would be greatly enlarged to fill in the holes and bring the club to a championship level.

    Except in 2023 when Jeter asked for the promised money Sherman said no. Jeter immediately resigned and the organizational diassembly began.

    It is same with 2024, no money. This is about trying to win on a Tampa Bay rays model of using a low payroll. Hence what is going on now. It’s all Sherman doing this for money.

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    • formerlyz

      10 months ago

      Rofl this isn’t at all what happened. Jeter wanted players that made no sense to waste money on, and made bad trades that helped thin the farm system, making it dumber to sign FAs. The last few years are an instant replay of 2014-2017, leaving the Marlins with no choice but to move pieces, and they should have done it a year ago

      Spending money doesn’t matter when the organization is garbage, and you have no assets, and it’s insane we still have people complaining about this. This is the reason we ended up wasting our money on Avisail Garcia and Jorge Soler…this right here

      Ultimately, Jeter got full return on his investment in the team in less than 5 years, plus made a bunch of money. He wasn’t hurting for anything

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  22. RBFSSolution

    10 months ago

    You know how many people around the WORLD want to learn how Glasnow, Snell, Cole, Sale and hundreds of ML pitchers throw their slider? MILLIONS
    They can’t even GOOGLE IT and learn it cause…..
    MLB a billion dollar business can’t even recognize a guy in May 2018, Roger Beshens, that helped elevate hundreds of ML pitchers by messaging them his the Grip, Tilt and Wrist action of his Football Slider which is on center grip, throw like football, stiff wrist.
    It’s selfish and asine MLB, Mlb network, Players, won’t talk about it when they benefited from it. They have a personal agenda to elevate their status at the expense of Millions of people around the globe and not give credit where due. Roger Beshens.
    This is going to change at the end of the season. Roger is dealing with Brent Strom now in 2024. Stay tuned. There’s video, audio, pictures, social media admitting to the Roger Beshens Football Slider. There’s no reason a kid across the pond can’t Google how do you throw a slider and it’s described the proper way. Roger Beshens describes how to throw the pitch the best and MLB can’t even admit it.

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  23. CarolinaCubsandKush

    10 months ago

    Pretty clear Ng made the right call to abort. What another dumpster org.

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    • jimmertee

      10 months ago

      As soon a Jeter left, the writing was on the wall. See note above.

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  24. cpartridge12

    10 months ago

    Quite frankly guys, I don’t think we talked enough about the Roger Beshens Football Slider

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    • RBFSSolution

      10 months ago

      Brent Strom’s been talking with him since Spring Training. He can’t possibly care about uneducated gibberish talk with many like horse names.

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  25. NewMarlinOldBrave

    10 months ago

    Jeter was used to buy the team and he had to know he was being used. MLB wanted Jeter to be involved and they allowed some creative accounting so Sherman could buy the team with little of his own cash down IF JETER WAS IN ON IT.

    Jeter, got a salary of around 5 million a year while there. So when it was time for him to cash out on his small ownership piece, I believe but haven’t seen it reported, that the team but not Sherman simply bought his ownership back which of course added to the massive amount of debt the team owes which has to be amortized.
    Therefore, all the debt that the team owes explains much.

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