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Red Sox Reportedly Considering Moving Rafael Devers Off Third Base

By Nick Deeds | November 24, 2024 at 8:33am CDT

The Red Sox have held internal discussions regarding the possibility of moving longtime third baseman Rafael Devers off the position, per a report from MassLive’s Sean McAdam. McAdam goes on to suggest that the club views a trade for third baseman Nolan Arenado with the Cardinals as a potential option to fill their vacancy at the hot corner in the event Devers changes positions, whether that be a move to first base or DH.

The idea of Devers moving to first base has previously been floated by The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal and The New York Post’s Jon Heyman throughout the offseason so far, though McAdam’s report stands as the first confirmation that a position change for Devers is under internal consideration within the organization. Previously, chief baseball officer Craig Breslow has declined to comment on the possibility of moving Devers off third beyond saying that the club wouldn’t seriously entertain the idea without first discussing it with Devers himself. That could be a complicating factor in a position change, as Devers’s agent, Nelson Montes de Oca, recently told Alex Speier of The Boston Globe that Devers has no plans to move off the hot corner.

“He is a third baseman,” Montes de Oca told Speier, “and he will continue to play third base and work hard to get better at it. That’s his position, that’s what he likes to play, and that’s what he will be playing.”

Resistance to a position change from Devers’s camp isn’t the only potential obstacle to a move. After all, the Red Sox have an extremely talented incumbent first baseman in Triston Casas, who at just 24 years old remains under team control for four more seasons and has previously expressed interest in signing with Boston on a long-term extension. The youngster missed much of the 2024 season due to injury but is a career .250/.357/.473 (125 wRC+) hitter since making his big league debut late in the 2022 season. There’s been speculation at times this winter that the Red Sox could consider moving on from Casas to land starting pitching, but Breslow was quick to shoot down those rumors earlier this month. Given that, a move to first base for Devers would require the front office to either reverse their stance on dealing Casas or else park him at DH on a regular basis, pushing Masataka Yoshida (and the three years and $55.6MM remaining on his contract) either to the bench or off the roster entirely.

Complicated as a position change for Devers would be, the potential benefits for the club could be substantial. Devers is among the worst fielding third basemen in the sport by most metrics, and a move across the diamond would surely improve the club’s infield defense dramatically. In 2024, Devers was worth -9 Defensive Runs Saved and posted a -5 in Statcast’s Fielding Run Value metric. That’s the lowest DRS and tied for the lowest FRV among all qualified (min. 750 innings) third basemen this year. Replacing Devers with an average or even slightly below average glove at third would improve the club’s infield defense considerably, but a position change for Devers would likely be just as motivated by it creating an avenue to improving the club’s offense.

If third base were to be opened by Devers moving to first, that would create an easy place for the Red Sox to add a right-handed bat to the lineup. Adding some thump from the right side has been a priority for Boston dating back to the trade deadline, and the club’s need for a right-handed hitter to add to their offense only grew more pronounced when outfielder Tyler O’Neill hit the open market earlier this month. Most attention on this need has been focused on the outfield at this point in the offseason given the club’s reported interest in either a reunion with O’Neill or pivoting to a deal with Teoscar Hernandez, but the club’s outfield remains crowded with Jarren Duran, Wilyer Abreu, and Ceddanne Rafaela all in the mix for playing time already before considering top prospect Roman Anthony (or veterans Yoshida and Rob Refsnyder), who should be ready to take on a regular role at some point in 2025.

Complicated as that outfield picture already is, it’s easy to see why adding a right-handed bat to the infield could be a preferable, more straightforward option than adding another player to the club’s logjam on the grass. Given that, it’s perhaps no surprise that the club has been connected to both longtime Astros third baseman Alex Bregman and former Brewers shortstop Willy Adames in free agency. Both players have expressed an openness to moving to second base (as well as third, in the case of Adames) if their new club so desires, meaning the addition of either player wouldn’t necessarily require Devers to change positions. With highly-regarded second base prospect Kristian Campbell seemingly in the mix for starts in Boston as soon as Opening Day, however, it’s easy to see why the Red Sox may prefer to install Bregman or Adames at the hot corner and move Devers to first.

While the club’s interest in Bregman and Adames has been reported semi-frequently to this point in the winter, McAdam’s suggestion that Arenado could be a consideration for the Red Sox is the first connection between Boston and the veteran star. Unlike Bregman and Adames, it’s all but unfathomable that a ten-time Gold Glove award winner like Arenado would change positions in deference to Devers, meaning a deal for the 33-year-old would certainly require a position change for the younger star. Arenado is also coming off his second consecutive down season offensively. While he was a finalist for the NL MVP award back in 2022, he’s hit just .269/.320/.426 (104 wRC+) in two seasons since then.

That said, Arenado’s defense has remained well above average even if it’s no longer quite as elite as it was during his peak, and that’s allowed him to be a roughly three-win player in each of the past two seasons. While he may no longer offer the same level of impact as Bregman or Adames, the three years and $74MM remaining on the veteran’s contract pales in comparison to the nine-figure sums both free agents are expected to land and would likely do little to impede Boston’s pursuit of other top-of-the-market names like Juan Soto, Corbin Burnes, and Blake Snell, especially if a deal involved the Cardinals either retaining some money or taking on a sizable portion of Yoshida’s contract in return. Any deal involving Arenado, of course, would require the veteran’s approval given his full no-trade clause. While the 33-year-old hasn’t requested a trade to this point, both he and the Cardinals appear to be open to parting ways if the right deal comes along given the club’s plans to retool and focus on youth in 2025.

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  1. murphy8

    7 months ago

    Interesting move, I never like the idea of forcing a player to everyday DH to get them in the lineup which is what would happen to Triston Casas here

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    • all in the suit that you wear

      7 months ago

      I don’t want Devers at 1B unless he can somehow show he will be good at it. Not sure Spring Training is long enough to prove that. Moving him to 1B will involve him in more plays than 3B, so it may end up with him messing up more plays than if he stayed at 3B. He better go to winter ball and start playing 1B if he is going to switch.

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      • roob

        7 months ago

        He has, literally, led the league in errors by a third baseman every year of his career. He may suck at 1B, too.

        They should make him a DH. Who cares what his agent says.

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        • bcjd

          7 months ago

          If his agent is speaking for him—as he should be—then we care because it tells us Devers would be strongly opposed and might not put in the effort.

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        • WaitTil2026

          7 months ago

          If Devers’ agent is speaking for him — as he should be — then Devers is a selfish player. Selfish players are not an asset to any team ever.

          If Devers doesn’t put in the effort to learn the new position, then forget about 1B, he is a DH. And not somebody I want leading the team.

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        • Dumpster Divin Theo

          7 months ago

          “Literally”. As opposed to figuratively leading the league in errors, like some mime

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        • Dumpster Divin Theo

          7 months ago

          Always, use a separator before, litterally, using the term, literally.

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        • cooperhill

          7 months ago

          350 million dollar DH!

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        • KingKen

          7 months ago

          Except there were 4 players with more errors at 3B this year than Devers. He had 12 errors. Alec Bogm had 14, Isaac Paredes and Matt Chapman and Ryan McMahon had 15.

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        • Baseballisthebest

          7 months ago

          Cha0man made a play on 105 more balls in play than Devers. That he made only 3 more errors should tell you all you need to know.

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      • rolder

        7 months ago

        Vlad jr. turned an abysmal 3B into a passable 1B.

        Devers will have no problem turning a passable 3B into an average 1B

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        • Rww59

          7 months ago

          Did Vladdy win a gold glove or did I imagine that

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        • Digdugler

          7 months ago

          He did, but I am not sure he “earned” it. I would classify him as average 1b as a Jays fan based on the ol eye test.

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        • Canuckleball

          7 months ago

          @rolder:

          Devers plays a passable 3b?

          A career -62 DRS, including a -9 last season

          A career -28 OAA, including a -6 last season

          If that’s passable, then what in your mind is bad?

          Also, Vlad’s only season as a full time 3b, he put up a -3 DRS.

          Bosox fans wish Devers played third as well as Vlad did.

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        • WaitTil2026

          7 months ago

          C’mon, Vlad managed -20 OAA in the half season he played 3B. There’s a reason he didn’t get sent back there! Couldn’t make the throws.

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        • Pads Fans

          7 months ago

          roider, Devers doesn’t play a passable 3B. He has been the worst defensive 3B in the majors since he was called up. He has never even raised his game to the point he was league average at 3B. Last season he was the very worst among 17 starters that had just 800 innings played at the position .

          Vlad Jr. doesn’t play passable 1B. He is well below league average.

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        • Pads Fans

          7 months ago

          Rafael Palmiero won a Gold Glove in a season he played only 17 games at 1B. Please don’t even try to bring up popularity contests to describe performance on the field.

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        • Bart Harley Jarvis

          7 months ago

          ISWYDT.

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        • Dumpster Divin Theo

          7 months ago

          Defensive indifference stat specifically invented for Devers.

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        • Dumpster Divin Theo

          7 months ago

          How dare you impugn Rafael (Raffy to his friends and loved ones) legacy? How dare you? Finger wag

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        • Sagacity

          7 months ago

          rolder – That’s flat out incorrect. He can’t catch line drives hit near his feet which is the essence of scooping. BURN HIS GLOVES FOR THE SAKE OF THE TEAM!!!!

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        • Sagacity

          7 months ago

          RWW59 – GG’s are a joke. Abreu won one with a fielding percentage 17 points below league average. Vladdy winning means nothing. He’s not that good as a 1B but he’s way better than a guy who can’t field ground balls.

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        • Sagacity

          7 months ago

          Canuckkleball – In eight seasons Devers leads all 3B in career errors. He gets a ton of breaks from the score keeper but if you simply go on his best numbers he’s the worst 3B since the dead ball era when fields were atrocious and the ball often wasn’t even round due to it’s construction and the impact of hard hits on it during a game. Devers plays with manicured fields and a round ball. There is no excuse!!

          He was horrible as a 14 year old when Boston first scouted him and declared him the future franchise player. He often fielded under .900 during his minor league career and most recently in 2020 was below .900 (.891!!!) once again. He has NEVER since age 14 been a league average fielder. He’s now going to be 28 so he’s been crap at fielding for 14 years. I’ve never heard of somebody being that bad for that long and NOT being moved to a position where he didn’t hurt the pitching staff.

          It’s absurd and I’ve been calling for a move to DH since 2017 when he put up 14 errors in 149 total chances in just 56 games!!!

          Unfortunately, I won’t believe it until I see it.

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        • GASoxFan

          7 months ago

          Canucks, of course Devers plays passable defense… as in, balls in play that ought to be a routine out ‘pass’ right by him for a hit.

          Many balls in play find his defense quite passable….

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        • WaitTil2026

          7 months ago

          With apologies, Sagacity, your defensive assessments are inconsistent.

          You are panning Abreu on the basis of seven plays over the course of the season, most of which didn’t make a difference in the outcome of the game. If that is the measure of defense, then it is practically meaningless. A few clutch hits would have similar impact.

          On the other hand, your assessment of Devers suggests that there are a LOT of plays that a better fielder would make that he does not. I think you’ve suggested ten wins, which is something on the order of 50 to 100 plays. Vastly greater than the number of errors.

          To me it isn’t about errors or no errors. Either they make the play or they don’t, and I don’t care all that much whether the outfielder bonked the ball or simply took a long route and failed to get close. Sometimes players have poor range and also struggle to convert plays. Sometimes they have good range but boot a few. In my opinion, Abreu is closer to the latter. He also played cleaner ball in the second half, as we shoukd expect from somebody learning the majors.

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        • cooperhill

          7 months ago

          Fatty.

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        • cooperhill

          7 months ago

          LMAO!

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        • Astros_fan_in_Aus

          7 months ago

          Gold Gloves should not be a yardstick for measuring a player’s worth. Soto was a nominee this year for God’s sake. !!
          That is not to say many winners haven’t deserved them, but Jeter pretty much destroyed the credibility

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        • Bruin1012

          7 months ago

          Soto only made 2 errors and had a fielding percentage of .994 so he must be the Gold Glover. What a joke everyone with even half a brain realizes he is a poor fielder who can’t get to anything. Looking at fielding percentage only to determine your gold gloves is like being presented with a problem then after 20% understanding 20% of the problem you have a solution.

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      • WaitTil2026

        7 months ago

        He would be fine… Off season drills and six weeks of Spring Training. The move from 3B to 1B is common enough and one of the easier moves.

        Besides, they have Casas at 1B unless traded. Casas could move to DH, but could stay on 1B while Devers ramps up.

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        • Pads Fans

          7 months ago

          Casas has both more range and a better glove than Devers.

          Rafael, go straight to DH. Its where you have always belonged.

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        • WaitTil2026

          7 months ago

          You could be right on that, Pads. Most likely path for Devers to supplant Casas would involve a trade of Casas (for an ace pitcher?).

          The simple path is to trade Yoshida and a prospect for Arenado, with Devers moving to DH.

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        • all in the suit that you wear

          7 months ago

          Not sure it will be easy to trade with St. Louis as Bloom is working there and will be POBO after next season.

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        • WaitTil2026

          7 months ago

          You don’t think Bloom believes in Yoshida? If not, then why did he sign Yoshida to an $85M contract?!?

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        • all in the suit that you wear

          7 months ago

          I’m saying that, in general, I doubt Bloom will be easy for Boston to negotiate with. He may have a grudge and/or not want to be seen as helping out his old team. I don’t know if he believes in Yoshida these days. I hope he believes in him.

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        • Dumpster Divin Theo

          7 months ago

          Mi Casas, su Casas

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        • Dumpster Divin Theo

          7 months ago

          The Bloom is off that Rose.

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        • Sagacity

          7 months ago

          TFF17 – 14 years for Devers to improve and it hasn’t happened but he’ll improve at 1B? Seems highly unlikely and Casas should be there for a dozen or so years because he’s earned it and is a future all-star. The payroll mistake with Devers should not suggest he deserves to play in the field. He simply has no skills on defense and 14 years seems like plenty of time to conclude this. Casas deserves better.

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        • WaitTil2026

          7 months ago

          First base is a less demanding position. But I’m totally fine with Devers at DH and Casas at 1B, if Casas is the better fielder.

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    • batterseye

      7 months ago

      How does Casas rate defensively? The article doesn’t say. I’d thought he was pretty solid or maybe even above average at 1B but maybe not?

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      • CaseyAbell

        7 months ago

        Baseball Reference is really down on Casas with the glove. Just from the eye test for the Red Sox games I’ve seen on the Extra Innings package, both Casas and Devers field with their bats.

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        • Seamaholic

          7 months ago

          Yeah Casas is a DH, and will only become more of a DH as he gets older. Pretty good one though! Yoshida really does appear to be the odd man out. Replace him with Bregman and that’s a hellacious lineup. Those kids they have coming can rake.

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        • Sad.Sox 3

          7 months ago

          Teams have been hiding power hitting corner in fielders for a century. What exposes Casas and Devers last season was subpar play at SS and 2B

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        • batterseye

          7 months ago

          Thanks for the info. Makes sense that he must be a negative defender if they would consider DH’ing him on a regular basis.

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        • Joemo

          7 months ago

          Ding ding ding.

          Also, Devers made a ton of plays last year that he wouldn’t have made previously. He’s young. He’s making strides at 3B. Making him learn 1B when you already have a good option there isn’t the answer.

          Fix the SS and 2B issues (if I never have to see David Hamilton fielding a ball again I will be SO happy).

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        • Ma4170

          7 months ago

          I can’t believe I’m not hearing the Red Sox are more in play for Adames. Seems like a great fit, a RHB with strong D up the middle.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          7 months ago

          Story is the key, He stays healthy and I believe he’ll again hit. Yoshida gets dealt and in the optimal word, Devers takes his money and focuses on his bat DHing. As others have said, Devers is not learning a new position in spring training. The move i consider is also dealing Casas for pitching (Seattle?) and shock MLB by signing Walker. Righty bats are Walker and whomever you trade for or sign for third. Story is the other missing righty bat. He’s, it’s asking a lot but things have to come together for the Sox to win…

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        • Ma4170

          7 months ago

          I just don’t think they’re getting much from Story other than average offense, even if he stays healthy. To me, he’s almost a non factor.

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        • The biggest tr0ll

          7 months ago

          Casas fields with his batting? Didn’t he hit .200 at the end of last year with the exception of multiple homeruns in a game or two. I know he’s coming back from injury, but I think he still has a lot to prove. He was really only a good hitter in the second half of 2023

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        • Bruin1012

          7 months ago

          Casas is big and slow so he’s never going to have range he’s among the slowest players in baseball but he’s pretty good at saving errant throws and is a big target to throw to at first. I think advanced defensive metrics have gotten pretty good at evaluating most positions but as far as I am aware it doesn’t take into account how good you are at from saving errant throws which is a first baseman’s most important job. I think Casas is a little better defensively then most give him credit for. I would be more comfortable with throwing to Casas than Devers if I’m an infielder. Devers needs to be a DH that’s what would be best for this team.

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        • The biggest tr0ll

          7 months ago

          Devers can’t be a DH unless you get rid of Yoshida. Yoshida has to go

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        • ibuititnoonecame

          7 months ago

          Can they though, look I think they may. But Bobby raked didn’t he…..

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        • ibuititnoonecame

          7 months ago

          If you have not excepted that Story and his body are done I’m sorry for you.

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        • Joemo

          7 months ago

          Ma – story does provide an excellent glove (although a weaker arm). So if he’s healthy and plays a good defensive SS, it eases the workload on Devers specifically on balls to his left. Even if his bat is non-existent, his glove is the important part.

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        • Ma4170

          7 months ago

          @joe… true, I was thinking more about his offense, but the glove is there. If they signed adames though, he could prob switch to 2b and still give plus D (or adames could)

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          7 months ago

          Ma, you’re probably right given how fragile he is but the Sox are not releasing him so to me he’s the key. If he can stay healthy, you get great defense at short or second and hopefully his bat returns as well. He needs in my view to approach batting differently. His goal should be to make contact. Cut strikeouts in half and the rest will take care of itself.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          7 months ago

          After Sale’s turnaround, why give up on Story?

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          7 months ago

          Story was probably the best defensive second baseman in 22 when he played there

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        • The biggest tr0ll

          7 months ago

          Trade Yoshida to Seattle as well. They need offense and outfielders I believe, even if we eat the contract

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        • The biggest tr0ll

          7 months ago

          I disagree- when healthy, Story is solid. Not over the top good, but decent. The Coors effect is minimal. It’s mostly a myth people buy into just because the Rockies are so bad. But the Rockies play on the road too and their opponents reap from the same disadvantages and advantages at Coors

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        • ibuititnoonecame

          7 months ago

          When is he healthy

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        • The biggest tr0ll

          7 months ago

          No thank you. Adames strikes me as an above average player who will come with a big priceline. But his stats don’t seem sustainable as he ages. I’d pass on him

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        • The biggest tr0ll

          7 months ago

          Well, maybe it’s his year. It was Sale’s last year.

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        • Canuckleball

          7 months ago

          @Joemo:

          Devers has played in the majors for 8 years and is 28 years old.

          He’s not a kid.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          7 months ago

          Dewey – On what do you base your belief Story will hit? He was in a steady decline even before he left Colorado.

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        • stymeedone

          7 months ago

          If a team needs an OF, why would they trade for Yoshida? He’s not an OF.

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        • Ma4170

          7 months ago

          When he was healthy in 22 he put up a 102 ops+. An average hitter, which is fine i guess.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          7 months ago

          Stymee – Not playing OF this year for various reasons, including injury, doesn’t mean he can’t resume being an outfielder in the future.

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        • Pads Fans

          7 months ago

          Casas came back from injury and in 63 games had a 120 OPS+ last season. He hit .268 with a 108 OPS+ in August and .224 with a 127 OPS+ in September. His bat is his calling card.

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        • Pads Fans

          7 months ago

          Bruin, what is funny about that statement is that Casas has better range than Devers.

          I agree with you about the 1B most important job being catching throws from other positions. In a full season, a 1B makes an attempt at 200-300 balls in play. They will make a minimum of 1000 catches from other positions.

          To find how well 1B do at that, look at a stat called Scoops or Scp. It measures the number of balls scooped out of the dirt by 1B. You can find it on Fangraphs. Here is last season. fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?lg=all&ind…
          While you can’t see the percentage of scoops, you can divide that by PO or putouts and get a reasonably good idea of how good they are at scooping errant throws out of the dirt.

          While Pete Alonso had the worst range in baseball, he was the best at scooping balls out of the dirt.

          You can find a similar stat that also takes into account other offline throws on Baseball Prospectus. Its well worth the subscription. They go into depth with scoop attempts, scoop-catch percentage, and scoop-out percentage.

          Last season Alonso was the best at scoop-catch percentage and scoop-out percentage.

          I wish people would remember that each of those scoops represents an error saved, typically an out made, and keeping baserunners from advancing at least one base.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          7 months ago

          Fever, we agree his signing was a mistake, He hasn’t been healthy even before he came to Boston. I though love his determination and after Sale’s turnaround, why not? The team won in 13 because everything that needed to happen did. So why not in 25 since he’s not going anywhere?

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          7 months ago

          Ma, I was talking about his glove at 2nd.I just have so much respect for Story the way he came back last year and again after Sale’s turnaround, why not Story in 25? If he doesn’t rebound, he goes to the bench or more likely still helps with his glove.

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      • william-2

        7 months ago

        Casas is sort of a guy standing by a bag. He isn’t the worst and certainly isn’t great. The idea is he WILL get better.

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        7 months ago

        Long – Casas is good at catching throws, bad at fielding batted balls.

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      • Pads Fans

        7 months ago

        Of the 27 1B with 1500 IP played over the last 3 years Casas ranks 20th in DRS, OAA, and Statcasts FRV or Fielding Run Value.

        fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?lg=all&ind…

        1000-1200 innings played is a typical full season at 1B.

        By comparison, over the last 3 seasons Devers has been dead last in FRV, only Jake Burger has been worse in OAA, and only Alec Bohm has been worse in DRS.

        fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?lg=all&ind…

        He has been horrifically bad as a defensive 3B.

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        • WaitTil2026

          7 months ago

          Horrifically bad is a bit of an exaggeration. He is the worst defensive regular in baseball, but not by THAT wide a margin. That’s typically the range where alternate positions are considered but not an urgent necessity.

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      • Dumpster Divin Theo

        7 months ago

        Casas rates a 6 on Dick Clark’s handstand. Has a bit of a beat and you can dance to it

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    • stymeedone

      7 months ago

      Considering moving him to 1B? Its a no brainer to move him off third! Should they discuss it with him? Absolutely! Should they ask? Its an employer/employee relationship. For what they are paying him, he should be happy to do what’s best for the team. Asking shows lack of commitment to their plan to field a better team. Asking makes it Devers decision, which it shouldn’t be.

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      • ibuititnoonecame

        7 months ago

        Ok so you want to to tell your lone star you are doing this. Then risk you screw him and his Bat up. NEWS FLASH the player has the power

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          7 months ago

          Newsflash: correction, he had the power but money speaks. if he is a true leader, he’ll gladly move off third. That was his agent talking before a deal. He’s not moving for Joe Schmo but if a move makes the defense better, he’s moved.

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        • WaitTil2026

          7 months ago

          Exactly, Dewey. Devers is signed to a lifetime deal, so the money isn’t the issue. He gets paid one way or the other. There’s an element of pride, but he’ll understand if it is making way for Bregman, Adames, or Arenado. And if the Red Sox can’t find. 3B of that caliber, it makes sense to leave Devers at 3B until they do.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          7 months ago

          TF – Don’t you wonder how these “internal discussions” get leaked? Why would they give up any leverage in a potential Arenado trade by revealing their plan?

          I don’t buy it, there’s ulterior motives at play here. The media is just a pawn.

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        • WaitTil2026

          7 months ago

          A “secret” known to two people is not a secret. A secret known to three is common knowledge.

          Assuming the existence of these “internal discussions”, there are easily a dozen people privy to them. At that point you might as well stream it on Twitch.

          Not all motives are “ulterior”. Over the years I’ve known people in front offices. They are pretty good at not leaking anything that is detrimental to their organization, but they do talk.

          Not sure why this would cost them “leverage”? Tough to have discussions with the Cardinals about Arenado without admitting the obvious – that you are looking to have him replace Devers at 3B.

          Trading Yoshida for Arenado makes too much sense for it not to be discussed. It could actually be an upgrade offensively for the Cardinals (Yoshida hits for a better average) *and* it saves them $12.5M/yr AAV. Donovan’s natural position is 3B, and they have other candidates for the middle infield, including Gorman and Winn.

          For the Red Sox, Arenado replaces most of Yoshida’s offense, his bat would play well in Fenway, and he dramatically upgrades their 3B defense. Given that they are already on the verge of releasing Yoshida and eating his contract, that $12.5M additional cost is a very reasonable price to pay.

          Makes sense for Devers as well, long term. His value and future are his bat, not his glove.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          7 months ago

          TF – If you really think high level internal discussions, not just with MLB teams but any company’s management, are not kept secret then I don’t even know where to start. So you really don’t realize that unintenionally leaking confidential information will cause competitors to use it against you? Never heard of an NDA, eh?

          Show me just ONE example where the Sale trade to Atlanta was mentioned publicly prior to the trade.

          So how much are the Sox willing to give Soto?

          Which free agent pitcher do they prefer they most?

          Are they open to re-signing Pivetta?

          Can you find ANY articles with confirmed answers to those questions?

          No, because 99% of all internal discussions are kept confidential.

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        • WaitTil2026

          7 months ago

          Plenty of rumors, especially when the discussions go beyond the board room. If you follow the stock market, you know exactly what I mean. Was this leaked by the Red Sox front office? Or by Devers’ agent who was conveniently quoted? Or by the Cardinals or another front office?

          We’ve heard plenty about their interest in this or that player. We don’t necessarily know how that interest ranks, but this kind of stuff gets leaked pretty reliably.

          Except for the Sale trade, I didn’t see that coming. The exception that proves the rule!

          If they were interested in signing Pivetta, we would likely have heard about it by now. So my guess is that they aren’t, or at least he isn’t high on their priority list.

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    • RHyde 2

      7 months ago

      Casas would not be the DH

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    • Curly Was The Smart Stooge

      7 months ago

      To move him off of third, you’ll need a forklift…

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      • cooperhill

        7 months ago

        Fat!

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  2. RyanD44

    7 months ago

    Why not move Devers to DH and keep Casas at 1B?

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    • letitbelowenstein

      7 months ago

      The stigma of paying someone that kind of coin just to DH, I would imagine.

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      • stymeedone

        7 months ago

        Just like when they played Story at 2B and XB at SS, it would be to salvage the ego of a “me first” player.

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        7 months ago

        Let – Here’s the thing, we don’t know if Devers would be better at 1B than Casas because Cora has refused to play him there at all … even during ST or infield practice.

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        • letitbelowenstein

          7 months ago

          Fever, I can’t picture Devers being an improvement over Casas defensively. But I also find it had to picture either of those two being a DH 145 games out of the year.

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        • Sad.Sox 3

          7 months ago

          Not my first choice, but if the years and money were right, let’s 3yrs and around $24mm per, couldn’t we sign Pete Alonso as right handed half of DH and 1B platoon with Casas?

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          7 months ago

          Let – Agreed, it would greatly decrease their trade value.

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        • Sagacity

          7 months ago

          On what planet can you picture the worst 3B in history being better than a league average 1B? There is NOTHING that suggests Devers can play 1B since he can’t scoop ground balls so why would he be able to scoop throws? Also, one of his biggest deficiencies as a defender is his poor balance. That’s a critical skill at 1B. Stick a fork in the idea Devers can play ANYWHERE!!!! BURN THE GLOVES!!!!!

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      • Sagacity

        7 months ago

        letitbelowenstein – So we should double down on the mistake and compound the impact of the overpay? Seems like an unusual strategy Cotton!!

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        • Dickiesox

          7 months ago

          This^^^ all day.

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  3. Big whiffa

    7 months ago

    That’s been reported in the comment section here for 3 years now. What are we, chopped liver ??

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      7 months ago

      Big – Right on! But Arenado’s hitting decline is a concern, as is his contract. I wouldn’t mind giving Moncada a try though.

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      • braves25

        7 months ago

        @Fever Pitch

        Your correct, Arenado’s bat did decline. However, IMO having the Green Monster to pound off of and hit high fly balls over will greatly improve his bat.

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      • WaitTil2026

        7 months ago

        Arenado is a shadow of his former self, but can still play defense. Makes the most sense if the Red Sox can send Yoshida the other way (along with a prospect) in a trade.

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  4. Kk 4

    7 months ago

    This frightens me. Sounds like Casas might be moved

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    • Sad.Sox 3

      7 months ago

      Agreed. Should the Sox need to move someone I’d much prefer to trade Duran than Casas.

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      • Seamaholic

        7 months ago

        Yikes, really? I mean, I don’t watch Sox games very often, but Duran was a 7 win player last year. Good hitting 1B are pretty easy to find.

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        • Sad.Sox 3

          7 months ago

          Not talking about giving him away. Casas is five years younger and shows great plate discipline.
          If selling high on Duran gets me a stud SP on the trade market, I’d do it.

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        • The biggest tr0ll

          7 months ago

          Casas is a better trade candidate than Duran. Casas still has a lot to prove and we already got 1B in the Minors if I recall. You can’t replace Duran’s speed and power that easily

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        • Bruin1012

          7 months ago

          Who do you think the Red Sox have as first baseman anywhere near comparable to Casas in the minors? They have no one. If they move Casas and find out that Devers can’t play first they have no one. It’s not as easy of decision as one might think. It would be putting a lot of faith in Devers to play first base adequately.

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        • The biggest tr0ll

          7 months ago

          You might be right. I think they traded the one guy that was in the Minors.

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        • Rexhudler86

          7 months ago

          @the biggest troll. If that guy was kavadas. They aren’t missing anyone

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        • Bruin1012

          7 months ago

          The next guy on the list at first in the minors is Blaze Jordan and I doubt he’s even taken in the rule 5 draft. Really the next big first base prospect the Red Sox have is Justin Gonzalez and he’s 17 and hasn’t played stateside yet. The Red Sox have a ton minor league talent but first base isn’t one with much.

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        • The biggest tr0ll

          7 months ago

          I was thinking of Nick Yorke. Then when I looked him up, I don’t think he was a first basemen.

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        • Bruin1012

          7 months ago

          Yes a second baseman and he’s with the Pirates now.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          7 months ago

          Easy? Look at last year. My move is to surprise others and sign Walker for first base.

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        • The biggest tr0ll

          7 months ago

          Either way, the best option is to unload Yoshida, even if we must eat the contract. It’s the most justifiable thing to do

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        • Sad.Sox 3

          7 months ago

          Why would you replace a high upside 25yo with a similar skill set 34yo, and pay him 25x as much?
          I like Walker as a player, but it’s square peg – round hole move for Sox

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          7 months ago

          Because you then trade Casas for pitching

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          7 months ago

          Bruin – Exactly! Complete lack of logic to trade Casas by assuming Devers can play 1B.

          Besides, they are required to trade for Vlad if they sign Soto ;o)

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        • Dumpster Divin Theo

          7 months ago

          Nick Yorke was the original and only legitimate Darrin. Not the fraudster Nick Seargent

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      • letitbelowenstein

        7 months ago

        Duran is one player they need to keep.

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        • Sad.Sox 3

          7 months ago

          Do t get me wrong, i like the guy, but Duran is 29yo, plays just average defense and is the definition of a “sell high” candidate. I’m only trading him for a true high end starter, not any old arm.
          We extended Raffaele to be the CF for the next 5+ yrs.
          Don’t forget, you have to give something to get so.ething in a trade. If you want one of those Seattle arms, they’re not asking for the 25th guy on the bench in return

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        • The biggest tr0ll

          7 months ago

          The guy to trade is Yoshida and last I checked, Seattle needed outfielders and hitters. We could eat the contract to trade him. It would be addition by subtraction- Casas stays at first, Devers moves to DH

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        • Sad.Sox 3

          7 months ago

          What are you getting back for Yoshida from Seattle even if you eat half his contract?
          My guess is not one of their top 5 starters

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        • The biggest tr0ll

          7 months ago

          Addition by subtraction. Devers moves to DH, Casas stays at first. That’s enough to be happy about. Yoshida has created a problematic logjam that needs to be solved. That is the bigger elephant in the room.

          I’ll take a bag of balls to get rid of him. And he still has some upside. It’s his inability to play the field and the price tag that hurts him, plus our excess of outfielders. Seattle needs hitters though. The priority should be to move him.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          7 months ago

          Sad – Duran average defense? If you didn’t follow the team this year, look at the numbers. Second-best defensive outfielder in MLB.

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        • Bruin1012

          7 months ago

          Duran certainly was subpar defensively in the past but he was really good defensively in the outfield last year. If you think last year defense was a fluke but I doubt it. The outfield didn’t come naturally like it did for Rafaela but he has obviously worked very hard and at this point I would say he is well above average and probably will be until his speed starts to decline a 4 years or so.

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        • WaitTil2026

          7 months ago

          No way that Duran’s defense was a fluke, and the defensive improvement was at least as large as the offensive improvement (which might be a fluke but is more likely Duran reaching his offensive ceiling).

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      • stymeedone

        7 months ago

        How does that fix the defense at 3B?

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        • william-2

          7 months ago

          By removing Devers. If you didn’t bother to field anyone at third it would be a slight downgrade. If you put anyone mediocre there, it improves third base. The issue then becomes if he will butcher 1st base.

          Over the years his brutal defense it due to throws or in between hops because of terrible footwork. 1st base will remove many of his standard and expected errors. The big question is whether he can pick it, but amazingly that is like the thing he was good at third. Remember, he would pick bullets hit at him a lot.

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        • The biggest tr0ll

          7 months ago

          The best thing to do would be to move Yoshida. Eat the money and move him

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        • The biggest tr0ll

          7 months ago

          We have the whole offseason to fix that.

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        • stymeedone

          7 months ago

          I was referring to how trading Duran helped. Just a lot of comments between me and Sad.sax3 comment.

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        7 months ago

        Sad – I wouldn’t want to trade either right now, but Casas is more of a longterm risk than Duran. Casas has more issues, and Duran has the far superior glove.

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        • The biggest tr0ll

          7 months ago

          For another time, I agree with Fever. Also add to the fact Casas has really had only half of one great season. He was not spectacular last year offensively aside from a 3 homerun game.

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        • Sad.Sox 3

          7 months ago

          What’s the point of having a top farm system if a guy makes the MLB and doesn’t get a chance to establish himself?
          Geez, look at the amount of playing time Bobby D got over the years. Doesn’t Casas deserve at least half that?

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        • The biggest tr0ll

          7 months ago

          I think he does but he’s also a trade piece. I think Yoshida is better route, however. Trade Yoshida.

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    • The biggest tr0ll

      7 months ago

      It’s not a bad idea. He has more to prove

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    • Pads Fans

      7 months ago

      I think its far more likely that the Red Sox move Yoshida by eating a large percentage of his contract and moving Devers straight to DH where he belongs.

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      • The biggest tr0ll

        7 months ago

        @Pads Fan agreed, but not sure who will be a taker for Yoshida

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  5. BaseballBrian

    7 months ago

    Does this mean the Bobby Dalbec era is really over?

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    • The biggest tr0ll

      7 months ago

      Bobby who?

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    • cooperhill

      7 months ago

      Another flash in the pan the Boston media tried to turn into a legend!

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  6. DS1

    7 months ago

    Since when does the player decide where he plays? I thought that was the manager’s decision??

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    • ghostofmookiebetts

      7 months ago

      It no longer works that way in mlb.

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        7 months ago

        Ghost – Exactly, pampered players these days.

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    • Seamaholic

      7 months ago

      When he’s your superstar and you want him to be happy. 100% normal.

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      • ghostofmookiebetts

        7 months ago

        Exactly

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        • C Yards Jeff

          7 months ago

          Sometimes the manager doesn’t have a say in it. Sometimes the GM or owner makes the call.

          Manny Machado went from full-time 3b in 2017 to full-time SS in 2018. Why? Instead of doing what was best for tge team that year, the Orioles FO maybe put more importance on the future by enhancing his trade value?

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        7 months ago

        Seam – A position change typically hurts their offense too. Xander moving to 3B years ago as one example.

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        • WaitTil2026

          7 months ago

          Bogaerts hit as well in 2014 as he did in 2013. His offense fell off this year, but that is continuing a kong standing declibe.

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        • Sagacity

          7 months ago

          TFF17 – Bogey played hurt much of 2024. I think he deserves credit for trying to play through the pain. I respect his attitude and loyalty to team.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          7 months ago

          Sag – Great post, I totally agree!

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          6 months ago

          tff – Sorry my friend but you couldn’t be more wrong if you tried.

          In 2013 as a 3B he had a .511 OPS.

          In 2013 as a shortstop he had a .815 OPS.

          In 2014 as a 3B he had a .517 OPS.

          In 2014 as a shortstop he had a .724 OPS.

          The rest (as a shortstop) is history ;O)

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  7. Sad.Sox 3

    7 months ago

    If Devers defense is the problem, why move him to first? Makes no sense. All that aside, I have no desire to have Arenado here.
    Sox had 11 players at 2B last year, not one of them (except maybe Raffaele. But we didn’t see enough) was above average defensively. If Story plays, and he have adequate second base play Devers overall impact on the defense shrinks.
    At times last year it appeared to me that Devers was trying to do too much. Leave him alone……

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      7 months ago

      Sad – The main issue with Devers is his bad throws, which would be mitigated by moving him to 1B.

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      • Pads Fans

        7 months ago

        Sad and FPG, the main issue with Devers is both bad throws and lead feet. His range is measured in inches, not feet. He cannot move to his left at all. I have been saying this for years. Devers is a DH.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          6 months ago

          Pads – Not being able to move to his left is not as big a deal playing first base.

          We all know Devers is bad defensively at 3B, that’s not debatable. But why do some people say he’s the worst at everything when it’s statistically not true?

          For instance his UZR from 2021-2023 is -10.4 while Austin Riley’s UZR is -17.2

          His RngR is -2.8 while Riley’s is -11.5

          His ErrR is -4.9 while Riley’s is -5.2

          So take away the throwing, Devers is still defensively bad but better than Riley!

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      • Sagacity

        7 months ago

        Need to straighten out the facts here.

        His hands are bad, his footwork is bad, his balance is bad, his baseball acumen as to what balls to try for is terrible and he ALSO can’t hit the broad side of a barn!!!

        BURN HIS GLOVES!!!!

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  8. ghostofmookiebetts

    7 months ago

    Ain’t happening. This is nothing more than motivation for Devers to get better.

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      7 months ago

      Ghost – Or it could mean Devers health, especially his shoulders, is now a greater concern.

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      • Sad.Sox 3

        7 months ago

        FPG – scary but thoughtful point about Devers shoulders.
        But. If there was a health issue, would his agent be so vocal about a potential change? I hope not

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      • WaitTil2026

        7 months ago

        Agreed, this is health related. Big body players like Devers don’t age well on the left side of the infield. He needs his shoukders to slug, and once injured they never heal fully.

        His agent is irrelevant.

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  9. arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs

    7 months ago

    What’s the rating on Yoshida in the OF?

    Cause couldn’t they just for
    Yoshida LF
    Casas DH
    Devers 1B

    Also, I wonder if Boston would attach Casas to Yoshiads contract to just clear it.

    Say
    Padres trade Cease and Arraez to Boston
    Padres receive Yoshida and Casas
    And whatever else it takes to get a deal done

    Padres pick up a LF in Yoshida and 1B in Casas
    Red Sox pick up the starting pitching they need in cease and a top of the order bat at DH in Arraez and let Devers go to 1B

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    • superunclea

      7 months ago

      Yoshida is a butcher defensive. I’d rather move Devers to LF.

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      • ohyeadam

        7 months ago

        Boston has been hiding butchers under the monster for years

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    • User 4014041831

      7 months ago

      SDP is NOT trading Cease.

      They have a Cease and Desist order out.
      Pun intended

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      • arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs

        7 months ago

        Padres fans also said Soto wasn’t going to be traded either.

        Most likely either king or cease get traded as they’re the padres best contracts in the event padres need to create financial wiggle room.

        Anyone else like cronenworth arraez they either have to eat money on the contract or swap for a similar contract of some sorts.

        Theyre probably not gonna eat money so their best outlook to move those salaries is a swap. But both have more valuable to the padres as is.

        Unless ownership is willing to break the tax threshold, if padres want to make additions either free agency or trade 1 of king or cease probably goes

        Otherwise you’re stuck with Lockridge in LF, Rosario at 2B, Cronenworth at 1B and some in house option to replace Musgrove in the rotation or rerun Perez

        I’ll guess Darvish Cease King Vasquez and rerun Perez on like 1 year 3-5 mill

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        • Sagacity

          7 months ago

          Harrison – Look the Red Sox have a lot of outfielders.

          Since NOBODY is close to as bad as Devers on defense by default he MUST BE FORCED TO BE THERE.

          That leaves a lot of great defenders in the outfield in Duran, Rafaela and the gold glove winner Abreu not to mention several up and coming stars in Anthony and Campbell.

          Yoshida is a couple of steps up from Devers but several steps down from the guys I mentioned above. He has no future except to be traded. These same owners created $41 Million of Retained Payroll back in 2016 so wasting money is their forte. Get whatever you can get for Yoshida and Story and accept the fact that Devers will be a payroll albatross for the next 9 years. Let the kids play, go get a REAL 3B and spend some money on two top of the rotation pitchers with at least one lefty and a lefty set-up man that doubles as a closer to back-up Hendrik.

          These moves make the team a 95 win or more team.

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  10. Jbigz12

    7 months ago

    Fat boy was guaranteed $300MM—-why should he move off 3B?!? He can check out every day and collect his cash.

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    • ghostofmookiebetts

      7 months ago

      jbig- he’s certainly not someone who’s been “checked out” and as far as him being “fat”? That’s just ridiculous

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        7 months ago

        Ghost – Exactly! He’s not muscular or lean, but he’s not Panda either. And his baggy uniform makes him look bigger, just like Manny’s did.

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        • GASoxFan

          7 months ago

          Fever, spin it however you want, but, I *seriously* doubt Boston is overreporting Devers official weight.

          6′ 0″ at 240lbs is a BMI of 32.5

          That’s officially square in class Obese I. Not overweight. Straight obese. It’s not the worst category, but he’s far from borderline.

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        • WaitTil2026

          7 months ago

          He is carrying a lot more muscle than your typical chubby, and also has a broad build. I’m not denying he is overweight, but BMI is a *very* rough calculation that neglects several factors.

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        • ghostofmookiebetts

          7 months ago

          GA- bmi isn’t an accurate measurement of obesity, especially among athletes

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          7 months ago

          TF – Thank you! Muscle weighs more than fat. He has to have muscle to hit the homeruns he does.

          The only accurate way is to get one of this pinches.

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        • WaitTil2026

          7 months ago

          There are body mass composition analyzers. The professional quality ones are pretty good. Am sure the Red Sox training staff can dig one up somewhere if they try. Unless they are worried he will break the machine?!?

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      • Pads Fans

        7 months ago

        Devers has a double chin. He is fat.

        I can’t talk much, I am 6’3″ and 235 with a double chin, but then I am in my 60s, not my mid 20s and I am a desk jockey, not an MLB player.

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        • ghostofmookiebetts

          7 months ago

          A double chin = fat???
          LMMFAO

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        • Pads Fans

          7 months ago

          6′ even and 240-250 pounds is fat. Do you like that better?

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          7 months ago

          Ghost – Apparently he doesn’t realize Devers’ Spanish nickname is for a reason. Only haters would call him fat.

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        • ghostofmookiebetts

          7 months ago

          Pads – that means nothing

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          7 months ago

          Pad – He is listed on both Redsox.com and BR as 235.

          He’s chubby, not fat.

          Liam is the same size and weight, you ever hear him being called fat?

          But I understand the term “fat” means different things to different people, so it’s pointless to debate.

          Some people think Kate Verlander is fat. Based on the awesome pics I’ve seen of her, she’s not even close to fat.

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    • stymeedone

      7 months ago

      Maybe he would want to be a team player?

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        7 months ago

        Stymee – Maybe the Red Sox should have talked about a move when they negotiated his extension? If not, they are idiots.

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        • GASoxFan

          7 months ago

          Here’s a novel idea…. move Devers off 3B, and if he doesn’t like it, he can forfeit the remainder of his fat contract and retire.

          If he wanted control over where he played and the right to leave if he didn’t like how the Sox deploy him he shouldn’t have insisted on getting overpaid on an albatross deal way past his prime. When he signed that he said whatever you guys want from me I’m good with, I dont need an ability to leave for elsewhere to play wherever I want.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          7 months ago

          Fever, they likely did. It was just agent spin. When the Sox get someone, he’ll move.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          7 months ago

          Dewey – I agree this could be just a final warning to improve his fielding. It also may spur teams inquiring about him, which they probably want.

          Or like I said earlier, they may feel he won’t be healthy enough to continue at 3B.

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        • WaitTil2026

          7 months ago

          We’re past that “last warning”. They are trying to move him, either to 1B or DH. (Or possibly first one, and then the other after he proves incompetent at 1B.)

          Might not happen if they can’t get a good 3B to replace him, but where there is smoke there is fire.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          7 months ago

          Tf – Well then if I’m the Cardinals the asking price for Arenado just went up because now they know the Sox are desperate for a 3B.

          Which is why again I’ll believe it when I see it. Lots of leaking going on for a team that likes keeping things private.

          Did anyone know Yoshida was hurt all season and would need shoulder surgery? Not one word leaked until the season was over.

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        • WaitTil2026

          7 months ago

          Oh, come on… You are telling me that the Red Sox can somehow negotiate a trade for Arenado without letting the Cardinals know that they are looking to move Devers off 3B?!? I know some people here have a low opinion of Bloom, but I don’t think he is THAT oblivious.

          Besides, it is public knowledge and has been for years.

          We knew Yoshida was hurting, that was no secret. Didn’t hear about the surgery until after the season, but I don’t know that was decided earlier.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          6 months ago

          TF – Considering Cora’s tendency to move players all around the field, and play them at positions they’ve never played before, I don’t see why they can’t move one of their surplus middle infielders to 3B.

          Grissom, Rafaela, Campbell, Gonzalez and Valdez all have experience there. Story too, but he’s too valuable up the middle.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          6 months ago

          TFF – I finally had a chance to read the source article behind the paywall …. it’s blown WAY out of proportion here.

          The mention of this is literally 19 paragraphs down, the penultimate topic discussed by McAdam.

          And here it is, word for word: “There’s been at least some internal talk about moving Rafael Devers off third base at some point”

          This is LITERALLY a non-story!!!

          1) It was “some discussion”, NOT a decision that was made.

          2) The timeline mentioned is “at some point”, NOT next season.

          But to answer your question, no they wouldn’t negotiate for Arenado if they had yet to decide on moving Devers.

          Also the article states the Cards would insist on the Sox taking on most if not all of Arenado’s remaining contract.

          So if Devers is actually healthy, you really want to give up on him in the field already and have them pay $284M for a DH ….. and also have them pay $74M for a 3B with a .700 OPS …. and also have them eat most of Yoshida’s $56M contract?

          When exactly do you think John Henry morphed into Steve Cohen? LOL!!

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        • WaitTil2026

          6 months ago

          Arenado is on a bad contract, similar in that to Yoshida. Swapping the contracts makes sense and saves the Cardinals $37.5M. Picking up Arenado’s full contract AND eating Yoshida’s contract makes.no sense. Might as well pony up for Bregman if you were willing to do that.

          Campbell could potentially play 3b, though he could use more experience at the position. Rafaela could as well, but is more valuable in CF.

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        • GASoxFan

          6 months ago

          One thing to remember is bringing in a SP1 or SP2 makes one spot in the rotation better than last year by upgrading pivetta’s slot.

          However, removing Devers from the field instantly makes EVERY member of the pitching staff better. So, the question is, how much money per year is it worth to improve the entire pitching staff across the board?

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        • Sagacity

          6 months ago

          GA – OUTSTANDING!!!

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        • Sagacity

          6 months ago

          Fever Pitch Guy – If you think about it. Who wouldn’t be better than Devers at 3B? Story’s arm is fine so we could salvage his huge contract by letting him play 3B and putting Campbell, Rafaela, Grissom or even Mayer at SS. Gonzalez and Valdez would be better too but I think the hitting drops off too much. But we have had the same argument to move him since 2017. JD could have played left field, Mookie and Bogey could have handled the left side of the infield, and Benny RF.. It’s 8 years later and still no progress.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          6 months ago

          TF – Per McAdam and others, the Cards want to rid themselves of Arenado’s financial obligation… not swap it out for almost the same size contract. They are in a rebuild. And how do you arrive at $37.5M?

          Disagree on Rafaela being more valuable in CF, not when you’ve already got a great CF in Duran and moving Devers off 3B is a pressing need.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          6 months ago

          TF – BR shows $64M still owed to Arenado, and $56M to Yoshida. That trade wouldn’t help the Cards save much, just around $8M.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          6 months ago

          GA – He cost the Red Sox 9 runs playing hurt this year. Arenado saved 6 runs.

          Obviously the pitching staff would be 15 runs better, then you’ve also got to consider how many offensive runs you’re losing by swapping a .700 OPS Arenado with a healthy Yoshida.

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        • The biggest tr0ll

          6 months ago

          8 million is 8 million. They may not get someone to take Arenado without a contract swap.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          6 months ago

          The – The Cards may need to include a prospect with Arenado to dump his salary.

          I just don’t want the Sox to be hamstrung by financial constraints again in the future because of foolish reckless spending. Whether it’s Yoshida, Story, Rafaela, Bello, or Devers, I wouldn’t want their contracts eaten unless they turn into Chris Davis or something. I don’t want to hear management say they can’t afford to sign good players because the team is already paying other players big dollars to NOT play for them, ya know?

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        • The biggest tr0ll

          6 months ago

          I hear you, but the only reason I would take Arenado as an eye for an eye is that third base is a position of need. We have too many outfielders and moving Yoshida is hard enough.

          But my key point is that 8 million makes a difference either way.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          6 months ago

          The – I guess that depends on how badly the Cards want to unload Arenado. I would think they’d want more than a $8M net payroll savings.

          And why would the Cards want a pricey DH during a rebuild? I’m thinking they are looking for just a low level prospect to get Arenado off the books …. who BTW has a full No-Trade Clause and has played in just two very laid back West/Midwest baseball towns throughout his career. Not sure how a California guy would respond to playing for an intense East Coast baseball region, especially with the Boston media.

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        • GASoxFan

          6 months ago

          Fever – but what about also those phantom errors that are scored hits at a faster rate than most infielders in baseball receive the benefit on?

          The IF is in sorry shape all around. Let’s take stock:

          Devers problems we know.

          Story is only getting older, has been fragile through his term here, doesn’t have a ton of time left anyways, we can commend his drive in pushing to return from injury, but once he returned he was…. well, let’s say a shell of his former self.

          Mayer remains unproven, think of big profile AAA masters like Dalbec or JBJ who couldn’t put together mlb hitting to save their lives. He’s also becoming a bit of a durability concern.

          When boston got grissom I was very critical of his defensive abilities showcased for ATL. Look at his advanced fielding stats, the further left you slide him on the diamond the worse he gets! I haven’t seen improvements in what limited playing he’s done here either.

          Casas is, at best, a slightly below average 1B defensively. Not a ringing endorsement.

          Campbell may offer the best long term hope, but, is still a bit green.

          Boston needs to upgrade at a minimum one of its four IF slots with a GG caliber defender from outside the team, either by trade or FA. Then you hope campbell/Mayer can solidify the other 2 spots from within, and, let devers/Casas fight over dh/1B. You may even need to bring in a second such outside gg’er depending how the prospects make the jump.

          The *worst* IF you can picture would be devers/story/grissom/casas.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          6 months ago

          GASox – I’m with you on all that except Story.

          As you know I was against the Story signing from the very beginning, but his defense has been excellent and when he’s healthy he does have some hot streaks. I basically view him as an infielder version of JBJ.

          We cannot make the same bad assumption as many did with Sale by assuming they will never be healthy again.

          Unfortunately Story is still owed $78M and there’s no way I want them to eat that much money. I’ve been bearish on him the past 3 seasons, but now I’m somewhat bullish in expecting somewhat of a bounceback season.

          So I say keep Story, hopefully have him rebuild some of his value, then trade him without eating too much of his contract.

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        • The biggest tr0ll

          6 months ago

          I only mentioned it because it was posted as a possible trade from another source online.

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  11. Rsox2Pen

    7 months ago

    This is a solution that creates more problems than it solves and is wrapped in complexity. If they really want Arenado, he needs to play 2nd base. That’s where the hole is that needs an obvious solution.

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    • rmullig2

      7 months ago

      Arenado is not going to agree to play second base.

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    • Pads Fans

      7 months ago

      Why would the really good defensive player move position?

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    • WaitTil2026

      7 months ago

      Between Grissom and Campbell, I’m thinking they figure out 2B this year. Arenado is a GG 3B.

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        6 months ago

        tff – *Was a Gold Glove third baseman.

        Hasn’t been for the past two seasons.

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    • RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame

      7 months ago

      Yoshida and Grissom for Cronenworth and Brito. Sox kick in 10 mil.

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  12. The biggest tr0ll

    7 months ago

    I like this move and I think Casas could be traded. He’s a better candidate to trade than Duran. If Casas stays, can he play 3rd base? Devers long term is better at first if he can handle it

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    • stymeedone

      7 months ago

      I like that you question Devers ability to even handle 1B.

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    • Sagacity

      6 months ago

      Biggest – Devers can’t play 1B based on his behavior on line drives that bounce within 10 feet of him. He’s a butcher at those which mimic low throws from infielders. Also, he loses his balance all the time and falls especially on balls to his right. The 1B can’t look and play like a drunken sailor!! Another issue is how he cuts in front of the SS when at 3B and messes up so many plays. If he’s at 1B and cuts in front of the 2B all the time who is covering 1B, the pitcher sprinting to the base? That sounds like an injury waiting to happen.

      I veto any idea that Devers can play 1B or learn to play 1B since in 14 years he still hasn’t learned 3B.

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  13. jtango

    7 months ago

    Sox have plenty of talent both in the infield and outfield, veteran and upcoming. What they need to do is to sort it out, Like who of Campbell, Mayer, Hamilton, Grissom, and Story will get the job done.. Devers and Casas are potentially the heart of the order; getting older players in their declining years (Arenado or Bregman) for premium money is not the answer.

    The Sox need to upgrade starting pitching. Sign one of Burnes, Fried, or Snell. See if we can get Crotchet from the White Sox. With Giolito coming back and the guys from last year, the Sox then might have enough good starting to be able to compete in the East.

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    • Rsox2Pen

      7 months ago

      I’m with you 100% jtango. Fix the glaring problem areas first before you shuffle the infield by adding yet more options. I think when I prioritize all the problem areas , Devers fielding at his position is on the list but certainly not in the top 5 priorities.. why mess with your current biggest bats to save a few errors at 3rd .. Why did we finish where we did last year? I don’t think it was Raffies glove work

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      • Sagacity

        6 months ago

        Resox2Pen – I think you underestimate the impact of 50 misplayed balls whether you count 14 as errors or all of them. They are still not outs and they stress the pitching staff. That’s just one guy. He’s made 20% of the errors that were counted over the last 8 seasons. That’s a huge number and it keeps us near the bottom of all the team defensive rankings.

        Boston doesn’t need a lot.
        1 – Move Devers to DH
        2 – Add a SP1 as good as Sale
        3 – Add a SP2 nearly as good as Sale
        4 – Add a guy like Tanner Scott (lefty reliever who doubles as a closer)

        All other areas are insignificantly lesser problems except Cora.

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        • Rsox2Pen

          6 months ago

          Sagacity:
          When I search on “the number of errors made by an MLB 3rd baseman in a season “. Goggle AI reports
          “According to available data, the average MLB third baseman commits around 10-15 errors per season, depending on the player and the number of games played; this position is typically considered one of the most challenging defensively due to the variety of ground balls and throws required, often leading to a higher error rate compared to other positions. “

          Devers errors/year
          2020 – 14
          2021 – 22
          2022 – 14
          2023 – 19
          2024 – 12
          I understand this certainly doesn’t compare to the numbers Arenado or other GG
          3rd basemen put up as he is typically 5-8 errors higher than league average. Not really sure where your 50 misplayed balls number comes from . He is playing infield to a pitching staff that is very much pitch to contact. That puts a lot more balls on the ground than most team infields see .. Last year we were 20th in the league in staff strikeouts .. pitch to contact with no high K pitching .. In that case , you damn well better have a gold glove SS and 3B as typically that’s where 1/3 of a team’s errors source.
          I like your priority list !
          Here’s mine :
          
1 – Add a SP1 as good as Sale

          2 – Add a SP2 nearly as good as Sale
          
3 – Add a guy like Tanner Scott (lefty reliever who doubles as a closer)
          4 – Trade Yoshida
          5 – Solidly 2B with internal options
          6 – Move Devers to DH

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  14. HighOnPineTar

    7 months ago

    I’ve been saying it for weeks, it all came to me during a spiritual session… Casas will be packaged with one or two mid-tier spects to Toronto for Vladdy Jr, who will sign an extension and split time between 1B/DH with Devers, along with LF Juan Soto also getting rest days at DH (Who will sign for around $626 Million over 13 years and possibly opt out after year 3 or 4.)

    Yoshida’s contract will be packaged in full with Duran in a trade to Seattle for pitching (or perhaps they work a contract swap of Yoshida + prospect for Castillo), along with BOS signing several FA arms. 3B will likely be filled internally this year, with Campbell possibly making a strong case for the gig during Spring Training – I don’t see his arm being any worse than Devers at 3B.

    So there you go, you heard it hear first from a highly reliable source!

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    • Sad.Sox 3

      7 months ago

      Can’t see Seattle taking both left handed OFs. But, if they want yo trade me Castillo and his 3yr contract for Duran, I’d do it every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
      As far as Yoshida goes, if he was the lefty part of some sort of weird DH platoon you can live with it, but he can’t be in the field on the regular

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    • Fever Pitch Guy

      7 months ago

      High – You’re not the only one who heard it from Carlos Baerga ;o)

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      • HighOnPineTar

        7 months ago

        Nah FPG the Carlos Baerga comments only came out recently!

        It was Pokey Reese who visited me spiritually, obviously.

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    • JoeBrady

      7 months ago

      Not trading four years of Casas for one year of Vlad, let alone adding prospects.

      But the Yoshi/Castillo idea is interesting.

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      • Sad.Sox 3

        7 months ago

        I don’t believe Yoshida would bring back Castillo unless Sox pay 3/4 of his salary hahaha
        That said, I would love Castillo. Only 3yrs/$75mm left on his contract. Yes, he’s been helped recently by pitching in Seattle, but he’s tenacious, and pitches deep into almost all his starts. Considering bullpen, that’s a huge help to pitching staff

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      • HighOnPineTar

        7 months ago

        JB that’s why I included the part of signing Vladdy to an extension if they’re going to trade 4 years of Casas. And keep in mind that Vladdy is only 1 year older than Casas, with his 2024 WAR alone being more than double Casas’ entire MLB career thus far. It’s a no brainer, especially if it leads to Soto wanting to sign with Boston.

        Dodgers went the Japanese star route and the Red Sox are about to go the Dominican star route, just wait and see 😉

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  15. mad1

    7 months ago

    Why would arenado approve a trade from a second place team to a last place team? Makes no sense

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    • Blackpink in the area

      7 months ago

      Yeah i think people are ignoring this detail. Arenado isn’t getting dealt by an 83 win team to go to an 81 win team.

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    • Sad.Sox 3

      7 months ago

      He’s not LOL

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    • seamaholic 2

      7 months ago

      People VASTLY overestimate how much players care how good their team is.

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      • Blackpink in the area

        7 months ago

        That’s the ENTIRE REASON he would potentially want to be traded. If he’s not going to a better team he’s not being dealt.

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  16. SJKinMD

    7 months ago

    This is mostly just sportswriters’ speculation. Of course the Red Sox are checking in on all the top FA and trade possibilities (due diligence) but the odds that they do this or are even actively considering it are virtually nil.not gonna happen, and I wish the writers would stop this and not get Raffy and his agent all riled up.

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  17. HotDogWater

    7 months ago

    Would be monumentally stupid to sign Devers to a 10 year/$300 million contract and then move him to 1B in year 2 of the deal. It won’t happen for years, I seriously hope this story won’t be offseason click bait for the next decade.

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    • Pads Fans

      7 months ago

      What was monumentally stupid was signing a player so bad at defense that he was destined to be a DH to a 10 year/$313.5 million contract.

      Moving him to DH now is what needed to happen 3-4 years ago. Devers is a great hitter. He is a terrible 3B.

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      • dougjay

        7 months ago

        It’s not often I can say this about an online comment, but you are 100% correct in every single way

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        6 months ago

        Pads – There’s basically three reasons why they gave him the monster $292M extension (your amount doesn’t take into consideration deferrals):

        1) The Red Sox love to pay based on “potential” performance, not past performance. That’s why they overpay so many players that have been declining, their analytics department convinces them there will be improvement.

        2) The Red Sox value age far more than they should. They looked at Devers being so young as good reason to give him the contract, rather than pay older players such as Xander and Mookie.

        3) The Red Sox backed themselves into a corner by trading Mookie and pushing Xander out the door. Devers was the last star remaining, they would have had literally nobody left with star power (not counting the injured Sale).

        Ever see Devers talk about the extension? His face lights up in amazement as he admits how shocked he was to be offered such a huge amount.

        Hopefully Breslow can bring some intelligence to the front office, otherwise a massive overhaul at the top of the Baseball Ops chain is needed.

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      • HotDogWater

        6 months ago

        Or maybe the Red Sox are fine with having a below average defensive 3B? At what point do you think they are just fine with his defense there? He’s been the starting 3B for the team since 2017 and has graded out negatively every single year there except for 2019. Seems like they are fine with it?

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          6 months ago

          Hot – At some points in time he was improving, but I think his health is now a concern.

          Moving was always inevitable, it’s just been a matter of when.

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  18. william-2

    7 months ago

    The only way this happens is a Casas trade or Yoshida trade. Yoshida is borderline untradeable, unless you pay for him to play against you and ask for “nothing” back. Casas will get you back a good haul, but when you already are deep in the hole on team power, you would then need to bring in a third baseman with power, and also add another power bat. You need to be able to fill those gaps, know you will, or it can backfire.

    Anyway, at least the pitchers will be happy. He is a liability with a baseball glove.

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    • Pads Fans

      7 months ago

      Yoshida is owed $54 million. If the Red Sox ate $24 million of that, they might actually get something in return for him. He is a decent hitter, 11-12% above average. $10 million AAV is something that another team may take on.

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  19. Rsox

    7 months ago

    If the Sox trade for Arenado it’s almost certain Casas is going to St.Louis in the trade so naturally they would have to consider moving Devers to 1B. Arenado is a superior 3B to Devers, the flip side would be if they found a taker for Yoshida which seems unlikely

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    • Slider_withcheese

      7 months ago

      St Louis doesn’t have a need at 1b. For better or worse, they’ve committed to playing Contreras there platooning with Burleson and possibly Baker.

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      • Blackpink in the area

        7 months ago

        Yeah Casas is a nice player but the Cardinals don’t need him at all

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    • Bruin1012

      7 months ago

      The Red Sox aren’t trading Casas in a trade for Arenado. The only way you move Casas is for legit starting pitching that’s controllable.

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      • seamaholic 2

        7 months ago

        There’s no good controllable SP available for a 1B/DH unless he’s like Freddie Freeman level good, and Casas ain’t in that ballpark.

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      • Bruin1012

        7 months ago

        Then you don’t trade Casas simple as that.

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      • Fever Pitch Guy

        6 months ago

        Bruin – Agreed, under no circumstance should Casas be involved in a trade for Arenado.

        You don’t trade a potential MVP candidate for someone the Cards are trying to trade as a salary dump.

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        • Sagacity

          6 months ago

          Fever Pitch Guy – Teach STL a lesson, out dump them.

          Devers for Arenado.

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        • Fever Pitch Guy

          6 months ago

          Sag – You said you work for the Cardinals, can’t you pull some strings? LOL!!

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  20. stymeedone

    7 months ago

    If this is something that would get Devers all riled up, he’s not who you want to build a team around. Its not like he’s unaware of his fielding ability.

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  21. 30 Parks

    7 months ago

    Devers is an awful third baseman and a move off third is long overdue. Can we move Cora out of his job, too?

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    • Sagacity

      7 months ago

      30 Parks – I loved your comment!!!!

      I heard there is a team in Siberia that Cora could manage!!!

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  22. Samuel

    7 months ago

    Hope they do it.

    Then fans can learn that 1B is a far more important position than 3B defensively. Other than the P and C, the 1B handles the ball the most during a game. Devers can screw up games at 1B far more than he can at 3B. Face it, the man’s a DH.

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    • whyhayzee

      7 months ago

      It’s not nice calling someone a DH. He seems like an ok guy, why be so nasty? Oh, designated hitter, my bad.

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    • william-2

      7 months ago

      The athletic cup lobby disagrees.

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  23. Roguesaw2

    7 months ago

    Perhaps the Casas problem gets resolved by sending him out in the possible Arenado trade.

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    • seamaholic 2

      7 months ago

      Cards have 1B covered with their former catcher.

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    • Sagacity

      7 months ago

      Roguesaw2 – THERE IS NO CASAS PROBLEM. He a future all-star. Don’t get sucked into the BS about Devers being capable of playing anywhere defensively. We have 14 years of proof that he can’t.

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  24. whyhayzee

    7 months ago

    Why don’t they just make the other team run the bases clockwise? Then he won’t even have to move. Honestly, this problem solving thing isn’t that hard.

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  25. CardsFan57

    7 months ago

    I’d like to see Arenado traded. I don’t see him approving any trade unless it improves his chances of making it to the World Series. Boston isn’t likely to be one of his approved destinations.

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    • eatonculo

      7 months ago

      I agree, but he’d put up monster numbers in Boston if he can get back to pulling the ball. (No pun intended.)

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      • seamaholic 2

        7 months ago

        Except that’s not really possible. His value as a younger player all came from his insane hand speed, which was the fastest I’ve ever seen. Both offensively and defensively. That’s going quickly now. He can’t get the barrel to inside heat anymore, and that was his bread and butter.

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        • eatonculo

          7 months ago

          That’s true, but he’s also been chasing “hitting to all fields” instead of relying on his bread-and-butter.

          Arenado is always tinkering. He went down a wrong path at one of these hitting labs last winter and it really screwed him up. I think he was battling a bad back the previous year.

          Yes, he is aging, but the back and bad coaching haven’t helped. I think he still has a couple of decent seasons left in him, especially at a better hitting park.

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  26. User 4014041831

    7 months ago

    BOS have alot of decisions to make.

    If I was their GM I choose the best defense options at a relatively reasonable salary.

    That and like every other team improve their starting and relieving pitchers. At least 1 impact SP and RP.

    Trades and FA signings. Ask around and see if you can get decent return for Story, Yoshida, possibly Casas and have to include so money $.

    Offensively challenged teams like LAA, KC, DET, SEA might bite
    Story if healthy probably has good potential because he doesn’t have much mileage on his body so to speak (wear and tear)

    But I wouldn’t force it – you could still potentially trade some of them at the AS Break and hopefully they get off to a good start and are relatively healthy (Story)

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  27. Big whiffa

    7 months ago

    Cases for Oder from twins makes sense for both squads. Throw in a player to create salary relief for twins and they’ll take that deal

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  28. cgallant

    7 months ago

    I’d rather eat Yoshidas contract and move Devers to DH than trade Casas and move Devers to first.

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    • all in the suit that you wear

      7 months ago

      Makes a lot of sense. Also, I don’t think Casas is at peak trade value yet.

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      • Sagacity

        6 months ago

        All – When Casas is at peak trade value he will be an all-star and why trade an all-star 1B? We haven’t kept an all-star since Bloom arrived. Devers is an all-star hitter and a delinquent fielder. His contract was a mistake so that’s why it happened. We are all about mistakes since Bloom showed up and dismantled the 2018 team starting with Mookie.

        cgallant could not have said it any better!!!!

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        • all in the suit that you wear

          6 months ago

          I don’t want to trade Casas. I think be may have some MVP years ahead.

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  29. eatonculo

    7 months ago

    I like Boston as a possible landing spot for Arenado. His numbers would be great there.

    For Boston fans mentioning problems at second base, the Cardinals have a guy named César Prieto they could throw in to get a better return. He’s not on the 40-man. He was their 13th ranked prospect last year, but he’s behind Saggese and Wetherholt in the pecking order and rankings.

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    • Bruin1012

      7 months ago

      I don’t think Boston has a big a problem at 2nd moving forward as some think. It’s likely that Grissom gets his shot at second to start the season and he profiles ok defensively at 2nd but if he falters then it’s likely that Campbell who profiles above average defensively at second would get his shot. The Red Sox also have Meidroth and Sogard if Campbell proves to not be ready.

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    • deweybelongsinthehall

      7 months ago

      I don’t know Prieto but the Sox have options. I would work out a deal where Arenado’s contract gets partially offset by including Yoshida. The team signs Adames and Walker with Story moving to second (Campbell in reserve). They also ink a top starter and trade with the White Sox in a deal that includes Abreu. I’d also sign Iglasias as a back up (I said it last year too,). OF is Duran, Ceddane and Anthony. All lefties but it’s ok if they do the other moves.

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      • deweybelongsinthehall

        7 months ago

        Brain cramp. Ceddane is a righty…

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  30. Indianfan

    7 months ago

    Could you open a “Red Sox Only” forum and spare the rest of us from your mega-word “stories” about the possibility of moving Rafael Devers from third base to first or change the name of this site. Your bias is really a little nauseating.

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    • Baseballisthebest

      7 months ago

      Just scroll by. You are not required to read it.

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  31. Poolhalljunkies

    7 months ago

    Where is trollfree..he would love this idea

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  32. Blackpink in the area

    7 months ago

    Not one person has suggested what the Cardinals would get back for Arenado.

    This doesn’t make sense. If Arenado gets dealt it will be to the Dodgers, Mets or Yankees.

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    • seamaholic 2

      7 months ago

      Arenado’s contract is underwater (as it was when the Rockies traded him). What the Cards get back depends on how far they’re willing to pay it down. So assuming that answer is “not at all,” he won’t generate any return at all except salary relief.

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      • Blackpink in the area

        7 months ago

        So…..what would the Red Sox offer?

        I am pretty sure the Cardinals would pay some of the contract. They don’t need to unload it the only reason they would trade him is because he’s asking for a trade.

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        • Sagacity

          6 months ago

          Blackpink – GIve em Devers and tell them he’s improving defensively so it’s a great deal!!!! hahaha

          That way you get GREAT defense until Arenado’s contract is up, a right handed power hitter, a great presence in the dugout and a player with the exact opposite level of baseball acumen as Devers. Arenado can be an average hitter and he’ll pay for himself with 25 to 40 less mishaps on ground balls than Devers each season. The number of double plays will sky rocket, the number of pop fouls dropped but not counted as errors will nearly disappear and the number of bunts handled with the bare hand for an out will grow tenfold.

          Arenado for Devers was a great trade last year and an even better trade now since the rest of the team has improved. Freeing up payroll sooner is also a huge plus to the deal and getting to watch STL fans mouth’s drop open when they see Devers field should make STL games far more enjoyable to watch. They never appreciated what they got with Arenado and how easily it could have been a whole lot worse.

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        • Blackpink in the area

          6 months ago

          I hear you but Arenado at the plate recently is like Devers in the field. Lost and confused. In all seriousness I don’t think the Cardinals want that contract.

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        • Sagacity

          6 months ago

          Blackpink – hahaha You must not watch Devers much because I’ve never seen a hitter as bad as Devers fields!!!

          I think you are right that Devers is not someone STL would want. He’s a massive financial albatross and his defense takes a good fielding team down to one of the bottom fielding teams while his hitting is just above league average. He’s not an elite hitter so his fair pay should be around $22Million a year if he plays 3B and around $25Million a year if he DHs. A right-handed dominated team with no DH could use Devers as long as they are not a small market team. Otherwise, Devers has very little value compared to his cost to most teams.

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  33. cooperhill

    7 months ago

    If he lost some weight, his range may be more than knee to knee.

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  34. LordD99

    7 months ago

    Devers much more likely to develop into a solid defender at first. Casas is a DH.

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  35. dougjay

    7 months ago

    Given that in my 45 years of life, I’ve NEVER seen a worse fielder in baseball than Devers, ANYBODY at 3B (let alone Arenado) would be an improvement.
    A neon orange pilon has more defensive value than Devers…
    DEREK JETER has more defensive value than Devers…
    JUAN SOTO has more defensive value than Devers… all time 3 worst defenders I’ve ever seen, but somehow Devers just takes the cake

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    • william-2

      7 months ago

      I will point out that when Boggs came up for the Red Sox he was WORSE than Devers. Boggs was Pedro Guerrero bad. I was hoping for Devers to really turn things around eventually (if anything, out of pride), but sadly, by this point in their careers Boggs was already an above average glove, and Devers has only shown the slightest improvement despite no real statistical gains.

      There has been worse in your 45 years, but not by much.

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      • Baseballisthebest

        7 months ago

        Boggs only season with the Red Sox where he was below league average was 1990, when he was 32.

        Devers has been at or near the bottom every year since he came up.

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      • Sagacity

        7 months ago

        William – Your facts on Boggs are flat out wrong. Others have said that in the past and I laid out a full analysis showing it to be complete BS.

        Boggs fielding % for 18 years was .962 with league average being .951
        Devers fielding % for 8 years is .944 with league average being .961

        There were years where Boggs total errors were higher than Devers normal errors but a big part of that is because he had more total chances so his fielding percentage was still much better than Devers’.

        Boggs in 1983 made his most errors in one season – 27
        Devers in 2018 made his most errors in one season – 24

        The key to distinguishing which guy was worse is the total number chances

        BOGGS made 27 errors out of 513 chances for a fielding % of .947
        Devers made 24 errors out of 326 chances for a fielding % of .926

        There was NEVER a point when Boggs was worse than the worst 3B in the history of baseball.

        There have been players at 3B who were bad for a season or two but the front office moved them from that spot because it was killing the pitchers. Boston hasn’t done that with Devers. He’s played more than double the number of seasons the really bad 3Bs like him have played. That’s just pure stupidity by the front office and manager.

        FYI… If you are looking for a very bad 3B like Devers, Butch Hobson would be a better example but he got moved after only a few years at the position.

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        • WaitTil2026

          7 months ago

          Or Encarnacion, if you remember him…

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        • william-2

          7 months ago

          Boggs fielding percentages as a pro 3rd baseman–Not factoring in his mobility being mediocre. Just the metric you used.
          What I posted was “I will point out that WHEN Boggs CAME UP for the Red Sox he was WORSE than Devers.”
          Came up, not when he was playing for the Sox for years, or a year, of 6 years. They were both horrible, true, but most scouts pegged Boggs as slow footed also and lacking range. Dever, if anything, ranges out of where he should be.

          1976 .847
          1977 .919
          1978 .941
          1979 .953
          1980 .947
          1981 .934
          1982 .967
          1983 .947
          1984 .959 This was considered by most the year that fans realized he made the jump defensively from liability to fairly solid. 

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        • Sagacity

          7 months ago

          William – Thanks for following up with the small segment that your comment applied to. It sounded like you were suggesting they were comparable for their career but clearly it was just a small segment because Boggs improved and Devers didn’t.

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        • dougjay

          7 months ago

          Great points! Well done my friend! You’re right- we usually don’t get to see horror at this prolonged length of time because when they are this bad, they don’t usually get a 3rd season to blow it. Devers is a special case study I think. Even though I picked on Jeters, he still made brilliant plays which helped people overlook his mistakes. Devers has never done that (not when I’m watching anyways). I’ve seen him mess up stopping the ball, then mess up transferring the ball to his bare hand and THEN go on to either over throw 1B or 2B or throw to the wrong position or too late. He gets rattled easily by his own errors and then gets even WORSE lol

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        • william-2

          6 months ago

          Np man. I don’t mind getting called out for being wrong.

          14 years ago, I was wrong about a packet of Stevia being plain sugar. My wife pointed it out. I’ll never live it down. Just kidding.

          As soon as you posted I knew what you thought I meant. Boggs was f’ing awful coming up. So bad that the initial experiment was to make him a 1st baseman, but they changed their minds.

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        • william-2

          6 months ago

          Jeter reminded me so much of Cal Ripken. Neither had any range costing pitchers a lot of hits on grounders other shortstops would get to without issue, but both had amazing hands, and were extremely accurate and consistent throwing. Each prided themselves on being in the right place for each hitter and were fanatical about scouting reports.

          You can’t really complain too much about a guy with only a few lateral steps when he makes every play and hits upper tier pitching. I know I would take that over the rangiest shortstop that only hits poor pitching and misses routine plays from time to time.

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        • Sagacity

          6 months ago

          William-2 – When I coached I made the infielder pay attention to every sign by the catcher and use the location suggested by the catcher as the initial direction of the fielder. You were not always right but you shortened the distance to more than 50% of the grounders to each of the infielders. Ripken talked about it in a sports show I attended confirming what my high school coach had taught me.

          That’s one reason why I am so frustrated with Devers all these years. He has no baseball acumen. His bad choices on when to go after a ball and when to let Bogaerts handle the routine ball to SS made me yell at the TV. Then to watch it for 7 more years, AHHHHHHHH!!!! Still have the same reaction. Then to hear Bogaerts range wasn’t good again all I could do is AHHHHHH!!!!

          Devers doesn’t have the head for 3B or 1B. He’s a grip it and rip it hitter and an uneducated base runner if it’s not a home run. You take the good with the bad.

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      • dougjay

        7 months ago

        Yeah, you’re right, there’s been worse, but they’re brief. I guess I mean of all the superstars. Like how can this guy be so astronomically good at offence and so astronomically bad at defense lol. I forget their SS name right now (from last year) but he was just as bad as Devers which made the entire left side of the infield like an empty parking lot, actually worse, coz an empty parking lot couldn’t pick up a ball and throw to 1B and commit another error lol. BUT that SS guy showed progress the 2nd half the season (progress, still want good) whereas I’ve never seen progress with Devers ever. I mean statistically speaking, it seems improbable that a person who spends that much time at 3B over the years shows ZERO signs of improvement, which means he must be actually GETTING WORSE lol. You have to assume that the average Joe like me or you would even improve. The fact that he doesn’t improve is a little scary or concerning

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    • Lanidrac

      7 months ago

      Did you see Ryan Braun when he first came up as a 3B? The Brewers were practically forced to move him to LF,

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  36. Old York

    7 months ago

    Should have traded him before they gave him that awful contract. Embarrassing.

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    • william-2

      6 months ago

      IMHO Devers had far less value than the guys we ended up losing at the time we lost them. I do not think there is a single Red Sox fan that would have complained about Betts getting the money he wanted if it meant losing Devers. I think it would probably have been closer for Bogaerts, but it is possible people would have preferred signing him back over keeping Devers if you had to pick one.

      Devers flat out strokes, and he does it against elite pitching. There are a bunch of guys in the league that feed off bad pitching for juicy stats. He hits anyone. He is abysmal in the field. I am convinced those fan guarding nets went up because of Devers, not foul balls.

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  37. Fraham_

    7 months ago

    They have a nice offensive core they should just go all in on pitching and wait till they deadline to see if they need to upgrade offense

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  38. johncoltrane

    7 months ago

    Hows devers shoulder? Was bothering him on/off all season. Dude looked crippled the final month

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    • Sagacity

      7 months ago

      John – When you swing out of your shoes on every pitch, an injury like a sore shoulder becomes far more debilitating. Most smart players would adjust and try to make contact more to limit the pain but again that ‘s most smart players. That’s not his strength.

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  39. Lanidrac

    7 months ago

    Even if the Cardinals do trade Arenado, I doubt they’d want to take on Yoshida’s contract in return just to use him as a platoon DH (with Contreras at DH vs. LHP).

    If they’re going to have a somewhat underwater contract for a middling bat for the next three years either way, at least Arenado plays every day and adds significant defensive value. Plus, Arenado has a preferable frontloaded contract structure.

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    • seamaholic 2

      7 months ago

      Arenado isn’t nearly as good a glove as he used to be (granted he had a long way to fall).

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      • Lanidrac

        7 months ago

        He’s still well above average defensively (and a finalist for the NL Gold Glove this year), which is a lot more than you can say about a DH, even if you consider the so called position to have neutral defensive value like I do..

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      • Sagacity

        7 months ago

        seamaholic 2 – Seriously? We’ve played the worst 3B in HISTORY and you are worried because maybe the best 3B in history might have dropped off a tad? hahaha Seriously?

        Arenado could put his glove on the other hand and still out field Devers. If Arenado dropped from a 10 on the defensive scale to a 9 or even an 8 he would still be a monster upgrade.

        After 10 straight years with a gold glove his last two years have seen his fielding percentage drop to .973 and .977 which are both higher than many of his GG award years. He hasn’t gotten worse, somebody else has gotten better and past him to be the new gold standard.

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    • Blackpink in the area

      7 months ago

      No Yoshidas contract makes no sense for the Cardinals. I would take Story if the Red Sox add some additional salary. He’s not a perfect fit but he could make some sense.

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      • Lanidrac

        7 months ago

        Unless the Cardinals can convince Story to move to 2B, he doesn’t make sense either on a team that already has a quality SS under control for 5 more years.

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        • Blackpink in the area

          7 months ago

          Well yeah of course he would play 2b. But he’s not a great fit really.

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  40. cr4

    7 months ago

    I love Devers but it’s about time he’s just not competent in the field

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    • Sagacity

      7 months ago

      cr4 – He’s NEVER been competent according to the numbers.

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  41. olmtiant

    7 months ago

    I don’t know what all this gibberish about Devers being a poor 3b … He’s as good as Robinson at 3rd!! ( Smokey)…

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  42. Baseballisthebest

    7 months ago

    About time. He is the worst 3B in MLB. That this is the first time they have had discussions about it speaks to the dysfunction in the Red Sox FO.

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    • Poolhalljunkies

      7 months ago

      How do you know this is the first time?…

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  43. Rantucky

    7 months ago

    It might be Helsey packaged with Arenardo for whatever return

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    • Sagacity

      7 months ago

      Rantucky – Let me suggest something more helpful to the organization.

      Trade Devers to St. Louis for Arenado straight up.

      We lose the albatross contract and Arenado doesn’t have nearly as many years left in his contract which is close to comparable financially.

      That allows Yoshida an opportunity to stay rather than giving him away like Sale. The defense moves from bottom 3 to top 10. You get a big right handed power bat and keep all the outstanding youngsters.

      FYI… I suggested this last year too. Just think how much better off we would be now if we had done it!!

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  44. swinging wood

    7 months ago

    “He is a third baseman,” Montes de Oca told Speier, “and he will continue to play third base and work hard to get better at it. That’s his position, that’s what he likes to play, and that’s what he will be playing.”

    Sorry, Sport, but that’s not how this works.

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    • stymeedone

      7 months ago

      Selfish.

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  45. wvsteve

    7 months ago

    Why not send Yoshida in a package of at least one of their 4 or 5th prospects and others for Crochet ? Just don’t see the needle moving with trading Casas.

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  46. wileycoyote56

    7 months ago

    I’d like to see Detroit offer the Cards Mize, Jung, Baez, and Baddoo with cash for Arnendo. Possibly throw a couple prospects too and try for Walker too. Maybe Tork would make them want to trade, he needs a new start and so does Walker. These 2 clubs have a lot of talent but underperforming for their current team, change of scenery might make them flourish

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  47. Bobby smac9

    7 months ago

    If Bosox trade Casas b4 the season starts, they’d be selling low on him. Allow him to show what he;s worth and move him at the deadline. Or early on. He wants a boatload of money to stay.

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    • Sagacity

      7 months ago

      Bobby – Way too logical!!! These types of suggestions are ridiculous. Casas is not someone who should be suggested for trade but the folks who don’t know much about baseball always find someone to pick on. Duran’s an all-star and they suggest trading him, Sale was worthless so giving him away and paying his salary made sense yet he won a Cy Young, Rafaela has been abused by many on this site and so has Casas. There is a large segment of contributors that seem to thrive on creating controversy.

      Boston should NOT be considering trading Casas. He should be the five hitter as long as Devers is the 3 hitter going forward. His 1B defense is league average and could improve in the future but if it doesn’t it is still adequate for this team to win a division or a ring.

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  48. BadCo

    7 months ago

    Earth to peckerwoods running the BoSox, we need pitching and not Soto, and not Arrenado, Damn pitching !

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  49. Sagacity

    7 months ago

    BadCo = We need Devers off 3B as much as we need TWO SPs at the top of the rotation. Soto is completely unnecessary. If Mookie is expendable it seems silly to try to replace him 5 years later with a lesser player despite him being very good. They can’t chase their mistakes that way. Heck, it’s bad enough we have to chase the Sale mistake by getting two rather than one elite pitcher.

    The last key to success is trading or firing Cora.

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  50. ClevelandSteelEngines

    7 months ago

    This was the big reason why the extension with Devers was rash. He was destined to be a DH. You don’t pay your DH this much. I like him as a player but had the Red Sox waited to give him an extension, then it would’ve been harder for Devers and his representation to hide how woeful his defensive limitations. His defense makes it unjustifiable to pay him like a position player.

    However, none of that matters now. They are stuck with manning him there for at least another couple seasons. They narrowed their options but they still have plenty of options to improve the team. I suspect the best options are trading players for established or talented pitchers. My favorite target would be Crochet.

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  51. thickiedon

    7 months ago

    OR simply trade Devers

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    • GASoxFan

      7 months ago

      They’d need to eat a TON of money to do that. You’ve got a one trick pony getting paid massive sums for a LONG time.

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      • Sagacity

        6 months ago

        GASOXFAN – SO TRUE!!!

        I tried to find a comparable AAV and then trade with them because our bad contract would be shorter and they would have a young guy longer which is construed as good to many people other than me.

        Last year, Arenado straight up for Devers made great sense. Red Sox fans all thought it wasn’t fair and Boston would be cheated. I thought the shortening of the term for the contract would be a great trade off for giving STL a younger player who people were beginning to think his defense wasn’t so bad since only half the errors were being counted. In retrospect, a year later, we would have had a much better year thanks to Arenado’s defense, we would have had a better balanced line-up between lefties and righties and we would have had a consummate professional in the dugout but I fear his intensity and attention to detail would not have sat well with the lackluster Cora approach to baseball.

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  52. HassanBenSober

    6 months ago

    I didn’t realize we had a new manager named Montes de Oca telling the ownership where the only position Devers is going to play. Hope his managerial skills are better than Cora…

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    • spitfire

      6 months ago

      Stop with the complaints bout our Cora!

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  53. HassanBenSober

    6 months ago

    Maybe we could sign Kodi Lee, now he can’t see, but he can sing and play piano which I know Devers can’t. I bet you he wouldn’t be any worse than Devers at 3rd. Just sayin.

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  54. Yaz'sOldBattingGloves

    6 months ago

    God i hope the Sox don’t trade Casas. Can we say Jeff Bagwell??

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  55. MLBTR needs to hire editors

    6 months ago

    What a poorly written article, but what else is new from Mr. Deeds. “Complicated as [subject]is/would be” is NOT PROPER ENGLISH! Leaving our “as” to start the sentence violates basic grammar rules. It’s not optional; you can’t just leave it out because you feel like it. And you did it TWICE! Get rid of Deeds already.

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  56. spitfire

    6 months ago

    Stop with this moving Raffy after he’s been very good this last yr. He hadda bad yr after our Bogie left n with Ke’ke at SS and a bunch of others. Please stop with this stuff!

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    • Sagacity

      6 months ago

      spitfire – Do you read from the fiction only section of the library? Devers was bad at 14 then signed with Boston and continued to be abysmal except for one year in the minors where his fielding percentage climb high enough that he could see league average from a long distance, then he returned to crap for the rest of his minor league years. When he got promoted prematurely to the Red Sox he upped his errors and proved he didn’t belong at 3B. Eight years later, the score keepers are the only thing keeping him from being the laughing stock of the MLB on defense. He makes 20% of the errors in good years and double that in his worst years.

      1920 was the last time we say 3Bs field as badly as Devers has since he came into the MLB. Bad fields, mis-shaped baseballs due to the soft material used back then and players having flat gloves to catch the ball all put the players of that era on par with Devers in today’s game!!!

      That’s how bad he is.

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  57. Bobby smac9

    6 months ago

    We tried to sign Soto, we really did. However, he is cashing in on this contract. Can’t help it if he doesn’t see the sense in signing here. We’ve heard this song and dance before.

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