Juan Soto is officially a New York Met. The team announced the signing on Wednesday evening after the star outfielder passed his physical. He’ll be introduced in a press conference tomorrow at Citi Field. Soto shattered contract records as the Winter Meetings began on Sunday evening, agreeing to a stunning 15-year, $765MM deal. Soto would be able to opt out of the deal after the 2029 season, though the Mets can prevent that by triggering an escalator that raises his salaries by $4MM annually from 2030-39. If they do so, he’d make at least $805MM over the next decade and a half.
Soto receives a whopping $75MM signing bonus. That’ll be followed by successive $46.875MM salaries for the first two seasons. He’ll make $42.5MM in 2027 before the salaries jump back to $46.875MM for 2028-29. The deal calls for $46MM annually for the final ten years. After the 2029 season, the Mets will need to decide whether to push Soto’s salaries to $50MM per season. If they decline, he could opt out of the remaining decade and $460MM. Soto also gets a full no-trade clause and escalators based on his MVP finishes.
Brokered by the Boras Corporation, the 26-year-old Soto’s deal is the largest contract in the history of professional sports, blowing away not only the $461MM net present value of the deal Shohei Ohtani landed with the Dodgers last winter but even the $700MM sticker price Ohtani signed for before accounting for that deal’s record-breaking deferrals. Soto’s $51MM average annual value eclipses the record for MLB players, which was previously held by Ohtani, by a significant margin as well.
Soto is the game’s first true $500MM player, $600MM player, $700MM player, and $50MM-per-year player, all in one epic contract. The deal calls to mind Boras’ ten-year, $252MM contract with the Rangers for Alex Rodriguez 24 years ago, announced at the Winter Meetings at the same Anatole Hotel in Dallas this one figures to be.
The Mets weren’t the only team willing to go to record-setting lengths to land Soto, as Heyman reports the Yankees’ final bid for the slugger clocked in at $760MM over 16 years. MassLive’s Sean McAdam, meanwhile, reports that the Red Sox offered Soto $700MM over 15 years. Each of those deals would have shattered all expectations entering the offseason; MLBTR predicted a 13 year, $600MM contract for Soto as part of our annual Top 50 MLB Free Agents list.
The Soto bidding was long believed to be the first true litmus test on how Mets owner Steve Cohen, the wealthiest in the sport, would proceed in a bidding war for a must-have player. The sale from the Wilpon family to Cohen was finalized just over four years ago, and while we’ve seen the Mets spend aggressively along the way, they’ve yet to truly flex their full financial might in this manner. The Mets did not pursue Aaron Judge when he was a free agent two offseasons ago, nor did they seriously pursue Ohtani last winter. They were involved in Yoshinobu Yamamoto’s market, reportedly even offering the same $325MM guarantee he received in Los Angeles, but the West Coast Dodgers were typically perceived to have a geographic advantage there.
With regard to Soto, the stage was set for a Yankees-Mets bidding war — with presumptive interest from other teams — the minute Soto was traded from San Diego to the Bronx last December. In the end, the outcome that Mets fans have pined for since Cohen bought the club and that Yankees have feared since Soto hit the market proved true: Cohen refused to be denied, putting forth an offer that even the most aggressive prognosticators wouldn’t have envisioned entering the offseason.
Cohen’s purchase of the Mets created enough unease among other owners that during the last wave of collective bargaining negotiations, a fourth tier of penalization was added to the luxury tax setup. Teams exceeding the tax threshold by more than $60MM would be taxed at an 80% rate in year one, a 90% rate if exceeding that mark for a second straight season and a whopping 110% rate for a third straight offense. Colloquially referred to as the “Cohen Tax,” that penalty was ultimately more of a speed bump than a true roadblock for the Mets. They’ll be a third-time payor in 2025 — and presumably for years to come thereafter, thanks largely to this contract.
It’s not quite as basic as saying Soto’s contract itself will be taxed at 110% (that’d be a $56.1MM annual hit), but he’ll naturally thrust the Mets into the Cohen Tax threshold on a near annual basis, assuming the Mets surround him with other high-end players. They’re already paying Francisco Lindor and Brandon Nimmo annual salaries of $34.1MM and $20.5MM, respectively, through at least 2030. RosterResouce projects that the Mets’ luxury obligations now sit just north of $251MM.
That’s “only” $10MM over the $241MM threshold, but with Soto now in the fold there’s no reason to expect they’ll let up. The club still seems likely to make a corner infield addition, whether that be a reunion with Pete Alonso or perhaps the addition of a third baseman who could allow Vientos to move off of the hot corner going forward. Additionally, the Mets are known to be in the market for at least one more starting pitcher after previously adding Clay Holmes and Frankie Montas to their rotation alongside incumbent starters Kodai Senga and David Peterson. It also wouldn’t be a surprise to see the club target relief help to supplement a bullpen that saw a number of key pieces including Phil Maton, Drew Smith, and Brooks Raley depart for free agency.
The Mets will have plenty of resources with which to make those additions. Even after Soto’s record-breaking deal, they’re still roughly $95MM away from last year’s $336MM payroll, and the aforementioned $251MM luxury ledger is more than $100MM shy of last year’s $358MM figure. Historic as the Soto agreement is, it’s more of a launching point than a capstone with regard to what will be a precedent-shattering offseason under Cohen and president of baseball operations David Stearns.
Soto’s free agency has been one of the most anticipated in MLB history. The phenom has seemingly been destined for a record-breaking deal ever since he declined a $440MM extension offer from the Nationals during the 2022 season. Given the $54MM Soto went on to earn in his last two arbitration years, the Nationals’ offer ultimately equated to $386MM for 13 free agent years, a figure that Soto nearly doubled tonight. Soto’s prescient decision on the Nationals’ offer prompted a trade to the Padres. Already a career 152 wRC+ hitter entering the 2021 season, he’s been even better since then with a .279/.423/.520 slash line that’s been good for a 161 wRC+.
The massive deal secured the Mets one of the most talented hitters in the sport. Soto had a platform season for the ages in 2024 after being traded from the Padres to the Yankees, slashing .288/.419/.569 (180 wRC+) in 157 games while belting 41 homers and walking (18.1%) more than he struck out (16.7%). In an era of increased strikeout rates, it’s not just Soto’s elite power but his otherworldly plate discipline that causes him to stick out from the crowd. He’s recorded more unintentional walks than strikeouts in each of the past five seasons and has led the majors in unintentional walks three times throughout his career.
Soto’s 769 career unintentional walks land him the No. 11 spot on the active leaderboard after just seven seasons in the majors. That sensational batting eye figures to allow Soto to age much better than players who get to their value through elite speed and defense, which surely helped make the Mets (and other interested clubs) more willing to shatter records in order to land Soto’s services. Soto is so good at drawing walks that he has gained notoriety for his manner of taking a pitch, which sometimes prompts the Soto Shuffle.
It’s important to note that Soto made his MLB debut back in 2018 at just 19 years of age, allowing him to reach free agency at the rare age of 26. The best MLB superstars are occasionally paid through the age of 40, which in Soto’s case means the longest contract in MLB history at 15 years. Soto’s youth, plus his Hall of Fame track, make this deal possible.
Soto has accumulated 36.4 Baseball-Reference WAR through the age of 25, which ranks 17th all-time. Mike Trout is the only other active player on that list. Of the 15 others, 12 are in the Hall of Fame, another is a lock to get there in Albert Pujols, and Alex Rodriguez would be in if not for steroid usage. The only reason Soto isn’t ranked higher is his below-average outfield defense, though that was roundly ignored by his free agent suitors given the $700MM+ offers.
One thing Soto has that his Hall of Fame peers did not (aside from free agency rights, of course) is Statcast. Modern-day GMs highly value Statcast metrics demonstrating how hard a player hits the ball, and Soto’s numbers regularly reside in the 99th percentile. It’s key evidence that Soto’s elite offense is sustainable for many years, even if his glovework is less desirable.
It also bears mentioning that the narrative of Soto being a poor defender has become somewhat overstated by his detractors. There’s no getting around the fact that he is a below-average defender on the whole, but he’s not yet reached the point where he’s an unmitigated liability in the outfield — nor do we know when or if he’ll get there. Defensive metrics can vary heavily on a year-to-year basis, but Soto has only had one truly dismal season in the eyes of Statcast and Defensive Runs Saved. And looking at his seven big league seasons on the whole, Soto has been dinged for -15 DRS and -24 Outs Above Average.
On a yearly basis, he’s been somewhere in the range of -2 DRS and -3 OAA. He’s not likely to make any sizable gains, but he ought to be able to play a passable right field for the next several years. He may be lacking in range and doesn’t top the charts in terms of raw arm strength by any means, but Soto’s arm is quite accurate. Over the past two seasons, only Lane Thomas and Ian Happ have more outfield assists. Statcast ranked his throwing value in the 90th percentile of MLB outfielders. Soto might eventually require a move away from the outfield, but he could potentially have a stop at first base before eventually moving to a DH role. Ultimately, if teams thought his defense was as problematic as his most strident critics typically portray it to be, Soto probably wouldn’t have commanded a contract of this sheer magnitude.
Soto is set to enter the prime of his already illustrious career in a Mets uniform. He’ll patrol right field and pair with Lindor to create a frightening one-two punch that should offer the Mets a reasonable facsimile of the unbelievable partnership of Soto and Judge, which helped to carry the Yankees from an 82-80 showing in 2023 to a 94-win campaign and an AL pennant this past season. The Mets, for their part, were far closer to being a top team even before adding Soto; their 2024 season saw the club win 89 games and fight their way into the NLCS, where they fell to the eventual World Champion Dodgers in six games. In addition to Lindor, Soto will be protected in the lineup by the presence of fellow corner outfielder Brandon Nimmo and an intriguing group of youngsters like Mark Vientos and Francisco Alvarez. A reunion with Alonso remains possible, and the Mets will surely explore every avenue of the trade and free agent markets as they look to further augment the lineup.
Now that the load-bearing free agent of the offseason has finally been dislodged, a flurry of activity around the league is expected throughout the Winter Meetings in Dallas this week as free agents and trade candidates alike who had been slowed by Soto’s presence may begin to move. Fellow free agent corner outfielders Teoscar Hernandez and Anthony Santander figure to see their markets pick up in a big way now that the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers, and Blue Jays are set to explore their various contingency plans for failing to land Soto.
Other high-priced free agents such as Max Fried, Corbin Burnes, and Alex Bregman could similarly see increased movement with the winter’s top dog no longer in the picture. They’ve all been linked to the Jays, Yankees and Red Sox — to varying extents. Certain high-priced pieces available on the trade market like Cody Bellinger and Nolan Arenado could start seeing additional action in the coming days. Bellinger specifically saw his potential market inextricably linked to the Soto bidding.
The Yankees, in particular, figure to be aggressive after coming up short. They’ve long been expected to be aggressive in their search for impact talent to replace Soto’s production in the event they came up short in a Subway Series bidding war. Hernandez, Bellinger, Burnes and Fried are all among the names who have come up in connection to the Bronx in recent weeks who seem more plausible as targets now that Soto has departed for Queens.
It could be years before we see another free-agent bidding of this nature — possibly decades, if the gap between Alex Rodriguez and Soto is representative of anything. But while the Soto talks have dominated the early stages of the 2024-25 offseason, his eventual decision isn’t a sign of things winding down but rather a catalyst to truly unleash the full scope of offseason drama. The first and most significant domino has fallen, but the offseason is just getting started.
Jon Heyman of the New York Post first reported the Mets were signing Soto to a 15-year, $765MM deal. ESPN’s Jeff Passan reported that the deal did not contain deferred money and could push beyond $800MM with escalators. The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal was first to report the $75MM signing bonus. Joel Sherman of the New York Post was first to report the opt-out, while ESPN’s Jorge Castillo reported the opt-out override. Tim Healey of Newsday was first with the no-trade protection. Heyman reported the salary breakdown.
Rumor Shill
Wow
letsgooakland123
Largest contract in pro sports history
User 3240017344
…Largest contract in pro sports history…so far
bloomquist4hof
Until the next contract. It can’t be long before some breaks a billion in one of the sports.
gbs42
bloom, it’s going to be a while before someone even approaches this deal.
Led Hoyer
The stars lined up for Soto. A teenager dominated the sport for 6 straight years. It will be hard for anyone to even get a 15 year contract let alone one averaging 50 million dollars. I won’t be shocked if the AAV is broken sooner than later but the totality will be hard to reach.
philharmonica
Gonna be a long time for sure.
Samuel
Party at Juan’s house.
Come as you are.
Fever Pitch Guy
Gbs – In terms of AAV, won’t take long to break this new $51M record.
10 years from now the AAV will be quite reasonable.
gbs42
FPG,
AAV, sure. Total value, it’s gonna be a while.
Mlbfan78
Most likely it will be soccer doing that, I mean the Saudi’s are paying Ronaldo over 200 million dollars per season right now.
Can a soccer player sign a billion dollar deal? Sure looks that way.
bloomquist4hof
That’s what I was thinking, soccer makes sense, but if someone with a talent and age similar ARod circa 2000 comes along could totally see it in baseball.
Fever Pitch Guy
Gbs – That would be the ultimate prediction contest!
I do believe Gunnar could crack $700M 4 years from now, with a 13-year contract.
Fever Pitch Guy
Bloom – The key would be starting their MLB career at Age 19 or 20.
jerseyjohn
Allegedly starting your career at 19. Funny how all the guys who start that young come from the DR. Look for an early decline with Soto.
Rexhudler86
@jerseyjohn. They have solved that problem for the most part. A couple fall thru the cracks. Definitely not as bad as it was. It was atleast 50 players a year getting busted, don’t hear about it anymore.
Blue Baron
jerseyjohn: Dwight Gooden started at 19. He was from Tampa.
Fever Pitch Guy
Rex – Ehhhh no, it’s still a massive problem but just like the PED epidemic MLB turns away from dealing with it.
nytimes.com/athletic/5231394/2024/01/27/mlb-age-fa…
McGrundle
Which is how we knew he was really 19.
Rexhudler86
@fpg. Can’t see the article. Pretty much just saying I don’t see names released like it was in the early 2000’s.
shark stitches
The guy who breaks this deal might not even be born yet.
Pads Fans
A dozen MILB and MLB players have been found to be older than they said they were in the last 24 years. As the article says all the rest were found out before they even signed with a MLB team.
1 every other year in pro ball doesn’t seem to be a “massive” problem.
Fever Pitch Guy
Rex – Just last month a name was released.
espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/42157614/sources-mlb-finds…
fox471 Dave
Dominated? Really?
wtfCheeseheadChuck
He wasn’t 14 when he entered the league..
Pickle_Britches
How much is Ohtani making a year?
gbs42
FPG,
Gunnar is who I thought of as the next player with any chance to approach Soto’s deal.
Maybe Lindor will be ready to move off SS by then, and since Cohen signed him for $341M ($1M more than Tatis’ contract), maybe he’ll pay Henderson $766M over 13-14 years!
bcjd
Why would MLB hide it? The teams signing the players want to know of they’re being defrauded.
Bookbook
You have to be foreign to go professional at 16. Americans aren’t eligible until they turn 18. This is why all the 19 year old major leaguers are from abroad.
Bookbook
$46 million.
Blue Baron
Bookbook: Dwight Gooden and Bryce Harper weren’t.
ChuckyNJ
Largest sportsball contract in Murica, F%&k Yeah!
Johnny Devil
19 going on 25.
brewpackbuckbadg
Should USA families with star 8th graders apply for DR citizenship right now?
(Yes this is sarcasm or mostly sarcasm.)
Baseball Babe
Maybe. What has stood out with Soto from the time he came up with the Nats in ‘18, and I watched most of his home games and followed the coverage of him closely the entire time, is his intelligence. He knew learning English quickly would make him more successful, so he did. He steered clear of off-field trouble. He has always had unusual self confidence. His smile has always had a shark-like element to it. Surely someone as bright as Soto could have figured out how to game the age system. What I don’t understand is that there surely is a test that will prove a person’s actual age. There’s a test for everything these days. Why would teams not find a way to know age for sure?
Fever Pitch Guy
Babe – I suppose they could get Soto’s true age by counting his rings.
But that would require sawing him in half, which would probably affect his hitting.
Maybe a good magician is needed?
gbs42
jerseyjohn,
Horrible, baseless comment/accusation.
Blue Baron
ChuckNJ: What’s your problem?
gbs42
BC85,
Soto has been one of the best hitters in baseball from the moment he entered the majors at age 19. He’s just now entering his prime. He’s been pretty dominant.
gbs42
bcjd, some people just want to believe conspiracy theories.
jerseyjohn
Blue Baron: Yes Gooden did come up at 19 and dominate. He was a phenom. Way too many guys from the DR have jumped to the majors very young and blown up. A country that size with a historical and present day issue with fraudulent documents isn’t just that good at baseball.
jerseyjohn
gbs42: Virtue signal fail. Try searching and reading articles including the NYT article about MLB being aware the DR has started cranking out more age fraud in the last 5-7 years after controlling it for a brief period. Look into the guy the Padres had intent to sign who turned out to be FIVE years older. Soto got paid and he’s great, his country sucks at records, and there’s a huge incentive to lie. P.S some players have also whispered Soto is 3 years older…
gbs42
Johnny,
You just encapsulated Soto’s MLB career to date.
gbs42
Baseball Babe,
You start out with great compliments about Soto then use those compliments to imply he cheated about his age. That’s actually kinda disturbing.
As far as a test, maybe they could slice him in half and count the rings…
gbs42
FPG,
You beat me to the “count the rings” joke. I’m behind with the comments. There are so many…
gbs42
jerseyjohn,
Soto was a phenom similar to Gooden. The DR can have one in a great while just like the U.S. There’s a reason they’re called phenoms – they’re incredibly rare regardless of where they grow up.
gbs42
jerseyjohn,
You using the phrase “virtue signal” says a lot, and I don’t even know which comment you’re referring to.
I’m aware of the age fraud story, but I’m not going to default to the assumption that Soto is lying about his age.
P.S. Which players? Can you cut any sources? Can they support their whispered beliefs?
Fever Pitch Guy
gbs – Yeah closing in on 1,000 comments here, very hard to find posts and clicking on alerts doesn’t take me to the comment either. Frustrating!
There’s gonna be a slew of articles and comments this week, I’m sure I’ll be missing many.
theruns
Yes, let’s all revisit this 7 years from now when Juan Soto turns 32 and his OPS dips the .850’s.
gbs42
the runs,
If anyone could accurately predict any player’s performance 7 years away, they’d be paid quite well by teams.
McGrundle
Joke is on Soto! If he lied about his age to seem younger, he will have to wait longer to draw social security!
chiefnocahoma1
Time is a flat circle…
Blue Baron
KBOKarl or SammyJ or whatever stupid name you use: Speak for yourself and shove your hostility. I have no problem.
Fever Pitch Guy
Lets – No matter how dumb the contract is, Cohen is committed to winning and I respect him for that.
Can’t wait to hear what John Henry’s final confirmed offer was.
Vlad replaces Polar Bear within the next year.
Hopefully the Mets will give the Dodgers some competition over the next decade, please no dynasties for either team.
lfcredsox
why would you want Henry to spend that ridiculous sum?, it would screw the team over for years, do you enjoy the occasional world series win?
S_man_2014
According to Sean McAdams, it was around 15/$700million
Fever Pitch Guy
Lf – Did I say that? I just want to confirm which rumors were true about how much the Sox offered.
CrackerJack42
Cheap John Henry! $700 million??? What a sick cheap joke of an owner I want him GONE!!! BANISHED TO LIVERPOOL!!! CRAIG BLOOMSLOW CAN GO TOO!!!
StreakingBlue
If he was committed to winning he would build a team not pay the largest contract. Mets are doomed.
hiflew
As opposed to what? Being too good to win the occasional World Series? Winning the Baseball America farm system award? A good run for ANY franchise is winning one World Series every 30 years. Boston is triple that right now. Winning World Series titles is not easy because only one team out of 30 gets it every year.
I will be thrilled if my Rockies win one World Series in the remainder of my lifetime. Enjoy what you have got.
dasit
are you kidding? occasional championships are the dream of every fan
junkwax
That’s actually a very good offer. Can’t fault him if we still lost out after that.
acell10
Fever: didn’t you say that Soto wasn’t staying in NYC because he and his family felt “unsafe”? you keep getting exposed and embarrassing yourself
dannysbigboi
They have a pretty good team and pushed the Dodgers to the world series. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Mets win the Crochet sweepstakes as well. They going to be competing with the top dogs of the NL and no one can deny that.
FatChance65
FPG—the Red Sox never had any intention of signing him.
Bivouac-Sal
I can
Fever Pitch Guy
Streak – He can do both, like the Dodgers did among others.
Carter86
Clown comment
bwmiller79
That’s bull. He just FD up the whole team. Soto is a nasty SOB, belongs on the Yankees.
Led Hoyer
I’d be all in on Crochet now. He’s is extremely affordable and will just cost prospects. Your right field is locked down for a while.
wallabeechamp
Your dad & granddad would have fallen over themselves for an occasional World Series win.
Are they still around, so you can get their advice on how to deal?
Fever Pitch Guy
Fat – That’s what I’d like to know. Throughout all the negotiating did John Henry ever have the highest offer at any point in time? If he did, I give him credit for driving up the price.
But at the end of the day, total team payroll will determine how committed Henry is to winning now. Let’s see if he lands Burnes, Fried and Santander.
ColoradoSox
If by occasional you mean four times in the last 20 years, yeah, that’s not too bad.
theruns
You can do both with 21 billion dollars lol.
He has already shown his commitment to waiting for the right people, (Stearns) revamping his scouting department, pitching labs, and letting the minor league player development people do their thing undisturbed. Fangraphs now has the Mets at #7 in their farm system rankings.
They worked in a dynamic young player in Vientos this season and have another one developing in Alvarez, in addition to their above average farm system.
He had a mess to clean up because the Wilpons were absolute clowns and laughably incompetent,. he is doing it effectively and methodically.
And the player he pushed chips in for just turned 26, a unicorn in elite Free Agency.
goob
BANISHED TO A POOL OF LIVERS!!!!
philharmonica
LOL @ defending John Henry.
philharmonica
LOLLLL
kingbum
The article said 700 million 15 years seemed fair enough. Cohen did warn everyone he will top everybody by 50 million. I think John Henry was just bidding the Yankees and Mets up, he knew Soto wouldn’t sign that but he also knew the Mets would have to empty those pockets.
Not a clever name
@ hiflew, hats off to Rocky fans that’s got to be tough. I felt the same way in 2008/2009, as a Giants Fan, in 2010 I thought I could die a happy man, by 2017 I was ready to burn the front office in effigy right on pier 39. We get spoiled as fans when we win, sometimes I think it’s better to be on the cusp of greatness than to actually achieve it. Then I look at those three trophies a the park and realize that thought is idiotic.
Uncle Pedro’s Dancing Kittens
While I was hoping the Red Sox would pull it off, for that amount the money can be better used in other areas. It would have been foolish for Henry to go that high. Now it is time for them to start making other big moves.
Blue Baron
StreakingBlue: He and Stearns built a team that came within two games of the World Series. What have you been watching?
Johnny Devil
Nonsense
Fever Pitch Guy
Fletch – You’re not a Red Sox or Yankee fan, so why do you hate Red Sox fans so much?
spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/_/year/2023/sort/cap_total…
Last year the Red Sox were 13th in payroll, coming off a season in which they were 3rd in revenue.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes_list_of_the_most_valu…
Proof positive John Henry is a cheapskate until he actually brings payroll in line with revenue. It’s about TEAM payroll, not individual player contracts.
gbs42
StreakingBlue,
Cohen is building a winning team, and signing great players helps accomplish that.
So many people seem to want it both ways: don’t win by spending but teams still should try to win, and people gripe when their team is cheap. Do you want every team to be the Rays, scaping together a good team while trading away players when they get expensive?
If players don’t get paid, owners will just pocket the money. Is that what anyone wants? I sure don’t. The players are what fans want – and pay – to see, not owners sitting in their luxury boxes.
gbs42
Not clever,
Flags fly forever, as they say. I bet just about every Rockies, Padres, Mariners, and Brewers fan would trade several competitive years for one World Series title.
CrackerJack42
FPG: The thing is, I am a Red Sox fan. That’s why I know for a fact you’re a moron. You need to get out of your “spending money = better team” mindset. It’s like you didn’t pay attention to Theo Epstein’s tenure at all.
Would you be happier if they had gone ahead and signed Montgomery and Jose Abreu?
gbs42
Fletch,
There’s certainly a correlation between spending and winning. It’s nowhere close to a perfect correlation, but there’s a reason the Dodgers, Yankees, and other big spenders win more games on average than teams that spend less. It’s not like Theo won titles in Boston and Chicago on shoestring budgets.
Fever Pitch Guy
gbs – Right you are!
In fact to win the 4 championships the Red Sox were 2nd, 2nd, 4th and 1st in MLB team payroll.
theruns
Sometimes, a commitment to winning requires a large contract.
Who knew!!!
Daryl Pauley
Until …
seamaholic 2
No far from it. Largest in U.S.
The McNasty1
You must have graduated at the top of your class.
GooseGoslinGuy
“A million here, a million there — pretty soon you’re talking about real money.” — The late Illinois US Senator Everett Dirksen, on the federal budget.
Led Hoyer
Just insanity.
Bucket Number Six
Cohen has the stupid money.
YourDreamGM
As I said in the previous rumors articles and below in this article, it’s not a dumb contract. Probably smart but at worst it’s fair value.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
“Fair Value” ?? Are you kidding ? For a guy who hits, but can’t run and can’t field. ? It is beyond ridiculous, but it’s not my money so I will watch with interest as this becomes an Albatross for the Mets.
YourDreamGM
Running and playing field is overrated.
VonPurpleHayes
He can DH a bunch on the Mets. It’s a good fit.
Never Remember
Yes insane to care how much he is paid. It impacts you not at all, he brings in revenue above that and the owners are multi billionaires so it is a drop in the bucket.
VonPurpleHayes
Almost nothing in professional sports impacts any of us. We can still react an expresa opinions. This is an insane contract. Juan Soto does not deserve to be the highest paid player in baseball, let alone professional sports. This is an objectively bad contract, but the Mets have an owner who likely won’t be impacted by the consequences of paying a 40 year old 50 mil a year. As a Mets fan, I’d be thrilled, but this contract would be an albatross for any other team.
outinleftfield
Since 5 teams thought he was worth at least 4700 million, 2 thought he was worth at least $710-730 million and one paid him $765 million, he deserves to be the highest paid player in baseball. All the haterade aside, its really that simple.
Objectively, he is going into his age 26 season and peak for a baseball player is his next 5 years. Age 26-30.
He is coming off a 7.9 WAR season that was worth $73 million based on 2024 FA salaries. 5 more seasons in that range and he gives the Mets $365-400 million in value depending on how much FA salaries go up.
Then he starts declining in his early 30s. Those seasons become 5 WAR then 4 WAR over the next 5 seasons through to his mid 30s. 20-22 WAR in that stretch worth at a minimum $220 million and probably far more.
Then the inevitable age 36-40 precipitous decline. He might be worth 5 WAR total over that time period. by then that will be worth $60 million or thereabouts.
Like most players with incredible hitting skills, I would think he is going to have at least one season in those last 10 that far exceeds what anyone thought was possible at that age. Like Goldy did in 2022, Freeman and Santana did last season, and Turner and Votto did in 2021.
By 2039, the top AAV will be far in excess of $51 million. In 2010 the highest contracts were in the $16-17 million range and all were for pitchers. 10 years ago Stanton signed an extension that was $25 million AAV. Judge got $40 million in 2023. Now for 2025 its $51 million. It’s called inflation.
Getting my trusty calculator out, that pencils out around $80 million in 2039.
Joggin’George
The idea that 7.9 WAR is worth 73 million is by no means certain. That equation is ridiculous.
gbs42
Von,
Soto is great and about as young as a free agent could be. The money is bonkers, but if anyone deserves it, it’s him.
Fever Pitch Guy
George – It’s indeed stupid, just like the analytics crowd saying there’s “no such thing as protection” in a lineup.
Some people actually believe having Judge hitting behind Soto didn’t help Soto’s performance…. idiots.
gbs42
outinleftfield,
Great breakdown, thanks!
gbs42
Joggin’,
It’s a solid approximation. If you have something better, let us know.
Soto has been one of the best players in baseball since day one, and he’s just now entering his prime.
It’s a mind-blowing amount of money, but if anyone was going to get that contract, it was Soto. There’s no one else in the game with his combination of youth and talent, and they’re probably won’t be for quite a while.
gbs42
FPG,
No need to call people idiots for disagreeing with you.
From my experience, many in the “analytics crowd” acknowledge things like lineup protection (clubhouse chemistry, manager influence, etc.) exist, they’re just difficult or maybe even impossible to quantify. Few, if any, people actually view the game as pure numbers played by robots.
Fever Pitch Guy
Gbs – How can you quantify when there’s no way of knowing who would be hitting in Judge’s place and how pitchers would approach Soto with certain batters behind him.
I didn’t call anyone here an idiot so nobody should be offended, but how can anyone argue against Soto getting better pitches to hit than if he was in let’s say the White Sox lineup.
This year Soto had his lowest walk percentage since 2019 and saw the most strikes of his career. It’s silly to think pitchers don’t throw more hittable strikes with a great hitter on deck.
gbs42
FPG,
Exactly, it’s not possible to quantify lineup protection, but it certainly makes sense that it exists.
Joggin’George
Yes, I have something better: common sense.
Basic math shows that most teams would be bankrupt if they paid veterans according to that stat. It’s a stat created by the “owners are cheap crowd.
You really think prime Mike Trout is worth a hundred mil a year? It’s impossible to pay an entire team according to that calculation.
gbs42
Joggin’,
Obviously, no one is paying any player $73M or $100M per season, but that doesn’t mean players don’t occasionally put up seasons that are worth that much. The rarity of such seasons, the chance of injury, age, etc. all contribute to salaries maxing out well below those numbers.
VonPurpleHayes
It’s lunacy to me that he gets that much more than Ohtani and Mookie Betts. Soto is an exciting hitter who gets on base a ton. He’s also a butcher in the field and a slug on the base path.
I’d absolutely love him on my team, but I can’t comprehend that he gets paid more than anyone in the sport when he’s a 1-way player.
Joggin’George
Gbs, I agree a player could be theoretically worth that, if the team win the WS or something but obviously you can’t actually pay that. Which is how most fans use that equation: do determine what a player should be paid.
The McNasty1
Deal with it
GooseGoslinGuy
Another good reason to hate the Mets. And it’ll be fun when he botches plays in the outfield.
gbs42
Hate the Mets for signing super talented players and trying to win?
GooseGoslinGuy
No, just hating them because they are the Mets! ;o)
CrackerJack42
Huge buy low for my Metropolitans! Throw that cash Mr. Cohen!
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
HAL STEINBRENNER FAILED!!!
Mr cohen is the new George Steinbrenner!
CrackerJack42
The Soto news following right behind Mets Legend Michael Conforto signing reminds me of when Steven Matz went to St. Louis so Cohen went out and signed Scherzer
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
I agree fletcher fan! Just like that time Alex Rodriguez was an oriole!
Damn Yankee$
Reports that the Yankees offered 760 over 16. There has to be more to the story. He could be the greatest player in the history of the franchise, hands-down, instead of one of the many greats in monument Park. Who knows.
Bronx Bombers
Cohen needs to get a ring or at least make the world series before giving him that title lol
Led Hoyer
That’s an extra year of work for less money. Would you take that offer at your job?
S_man_2014
If Soto stayed with the Yankees, he would’ve always been in Judge’s shadow. Literally too!
Killer of Ignorance
Except Cohen has yet to win anything. Big Stein was crazy but he did get pretty good results. Meanwhile, you better worry about your rudderless Mariners. Maybe they will get off to another fast start like last year and then blow a 10 game lead in record time.
all in the suit that you wear
We need to wait to see who failed and who succeeded today.
ohmy
Ya, you’ll be singing a way different tune in a few years.
thebirds
Oh. Boy.
❤️ MuteButton
“Wow”, is almost truly an understatement. “Sick”, is probably what I would call it. Lol
unpaidobserver
Wow with 8 zeroes.
Justinrlstn
Oof. Mets doing Mets things
LordD99
As a Yankee fan, I’m not going to play the card of “this is too much, I’m glad my team didn’t sign him.” Nope. He’s a hell of a hitter, but this was the inevitable conclusion. It is an interesting dynamic. He was beloved in the Bronx, but now he’ll call NYC his home and be hated by 60% of the baseball fans in the city for the next 15 years. I’m sure $765MM will sooth the pain. : -)
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
People are going to go insane when Soto goes back to yankee stadium
unpaidobserver
Can Yankees fans really gripe abt prying another teams star away with more money?
VonPurpleHayes
The Mets are going to start getting some of thar Yankees and Dodger hate as well. They’re big boys now.
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Von Purple Hayes
People kept whining after the WS about the Dodgers’ payroll but it was between third and fifth depending upon which source you consult. Mets and Yankees had far larger payrolls.
Dodgers were tier two with your Phillies and the Asterisks,.
VonPurpleHayes
It’s not just about total payroll. The big markets have big advantages. I’m lucky I root for a big market. This sport is broken, but my team benefits.
Fernando P
Payroll doesn’t count all the deferred money. Dodgers likely top team if we count that.
ThatsIT?
The sport isn’t broken. Why do fans think they’re entitled to not only a winning team but it has to be exciting and they gotta sign my favourite player to huge deal, Also ballpark has to be new.
Baseball doesn’t have a single problem that the other sports don’t
VonPurpleHayes
Baseball has a ton of problems that other sports don’t, but honestly the problems have more to do with owners not spending than owners spending too much.
Jaysfansince92
Not sure at all. Other sports have salary caps. This is the only major North American sport that allows teams to have such huge payroll discrepancies.
danumd87 2
They’re just Yankees fans though. We’re not talking real baseball fans who he should gaf about
Fever Pitch Guy
Lord – I don’t see why he would be hated. He was a Yankee for only one year, obviously not homegrown, and he got them to their first WS in 15 years.
You don’t hate on one-year rentals unless they underperform, which he didn’t. Now if it was Judge instead, THEN I could understand Yankees fans feeling he was disloyal.
Then again, wouldn’t be the first time Yankees fans did something irrational. Lol!
bwmiller79
He went to the WS with the Yankees, if he was committed to winning he would have stayed with the Yankees. Their offer was close.
Maybe he is pals with Frankie Lindor? He looked awfully chummy with AJ last season.
One year rental isn’t the case when you lay out a 750M contract offer to retain a player. In the end he took the biggest bag on the table, from the crosstown team, in what I’d deem traitorous. Led the Yankees to the World Series and took an Uber from the Bronx to Flushing Meadows. The car smelled like Arby’s and wet dog hair. He left a bad review for the driver and didn’t tip.
gbs42
bwmiller,
Are the Yankees the only team committed to winning? It’s not like Soto signed with the Rockies, the Mets and Cohen are very committed to winning. For example, they just signed a stellar young FA to a record-setting contract.
“Traitorous?” Excellent hyperbole. He was a Yankee for one season, the least time he’s spent with any team, and he didn’t choose to play for them. Why should he have any particular loyalty to them?
bwmiller79
Because you are on the team and they made a good offer to keep you on the team. You chose to go across town for one reason or another. Good luck to Juan Soto, I ain’t the judge of no man, he earned his pay and his right to choose and his reasons for choosing the Mets may be personal, or maybe they had the better luncheon, who knows.
But I’m from Chicago, we are a two team town like NYC, it’s unthinkable to me. We may get together on a trade or two from time to time but we dearly want the best of it. For any player on the team to walk to the Cubs in that fashion after a WS run would be a freaking outrage!
Blue Baron
bwmiller: But he was no longer a Yankee once the World Series ended. He was a free agent and had no obligation to the Yankees.
He earned the right to choose his next employer.
gbs42
bwmiller,
Fans have lifelong allegiances to their teams. Soto was a Yankee for several months, and he had no choice in that. He took advantage of free agency to find the situation he deemed best for himself using whatever criteria he wanted to. I don’t consider that “a freaking outrage!”
Pads Fans
gbs, absolutely. Soto had played for 4 teams in 5 years. He owed none of them loyalty. Get your money young man.
Blue Baron
LordD99: It won’t be 60% if he helps the Mets be better than the Yankees as they were in the 80s. There are a lot of frontrunning fans out there.
GooseGoslinGuy
Acuna is a better player. Too bad, he has been dogged by serious injury.
GabeItch
Wowee
revolver
Madness. He’s not even that good.
Michol
Soon to be the worst contract ever
gbs42
Michol, unlikely any time soon.
The McNasty1
Michol is jealous
FrontOfficeStan
Amazing. Hard to believe a player can be worth this amount though.
gbs42
Stan,
It is pretty stunning, but team values keep going through the roof, so player contracts will naturally go up similarly.
rhandome
wow!
mlbnyyfan
Do I really want a player who turns down my team for only 5 Million over 15 years. Soto can have the Mets. That’s only just over 300K a season. Soto was greedy and I’m glad he didn’t goto Boston
andyger63
No. Bye. We can get a lot of good players for $765 million. Hope for the Mets he doesn’t get injured.
Scott Costello
If you think the Yankees are going to turn around and shows that money to other players you are going to be disappointed!
They earmarked that money for Soto and Soto only. Maybe they sign a couple aging vets for 2 year deals and trade for a closer. But that will be it.
User 3240017344
andyger63: “No. Bye. We can get a lot of good players for $765 million”
Yeah? Name them lol.
Or I guess @ $760 mil Soto was your best option but @ $765 then it’s a bad business decision?
Good luck trying to get 7 WAR out of 1 roster spot.
“Hope for the Mets he doesn’t get injured”
Pathetic.
gbs42
mlbnyyfan,
The AAV difference between the two offers was $3.5M per season, not $300k.
Amazing that fans will call a player greedy while rarely calling out ownership’s greed. Who paid for the new Yankee Stadium? Ownership only put up $450M, the same as taxpayers. Sounds like greedy ownership to me.
Michael Handsman
Yanks offer was 47.5 mil per year
Mets 51 mil per year.
thats 50 mil more
gbs42
Michael,
The Yankees offer was for 16 years/$760M, Mets was 15 years/$765M.
VonPurpleHayes
The Mets offer atually includes an extra 5 mil per year if he doesn’t opt out after 5. That’s insane. So it’s a lot more than 765. Soto will be getting 55 a year in his 40s.
imissjoebuzas
The Mets had to do something after they lost out in the Michael Conforto sweepstakes.
avenger65
It figures. No one outbids Cohen. Now let’s see if Soto can pitch. The Mets still need help there.
letitbelowenstein
I suppose people will think otherwise in 6-10 years, but right now this contract is ridiculous.
CrikesAlready
Bobby Bonilla 2024.
jhonny
Biggest contract of all time. So crazy.
ohyeadam
Huge bonus, no deferred, opt out and even comes with incentives. He got everything he could’ve ever asked for and more. Cohen literally backed the truck up
sad tormented neglected mariners fan
Cohen is the best owner of all of baseball
ThatsIT?
Why is he the best owner?
Giant Willy
Cohen got piped
differentbears
The Dodger ownership group is probably the best. Cohen is right there though, guy doesn’t care about saving every penny, he wants to win and that’s why he’s in the game. That should be appreciated.
Every team is owned by the ultra rich. Not every owner is in it to win.
VonPurpleHayes
I can’t say Cohen is right there. All he did was spend. Time will tell if he spent smart. I really like the combo of Cohen and Stearns though. One goes crazy with giant contracts. The other makes calculated gambles.
John_In_WI
While every team is owned by the ultra rich, there’s still a huge disparity in media rights and merch opportunities. Sick that entertainers are worth this kind of money.
good vibes only
Cohen and Stearns make an interesting combo for sure.
That being said, I’m with you on not calling Cohen the best just yet. Arte Moreno is highly engaged and wants to win too. Nobody is calling him a great owner. Cohen already tried this once w/ Scherzer etc and it didn’t work.
Regardless, it’s fun to watch and I wish someone like this would buy the Mariners!
GooseGoslinGuy
All it takes is a salary cap to balance it all out.
VonPurpleHayes
Salary floor is more important, but I wouldn’t mind both.
ruthlesslyabsurd
Literally???
El Kabong
@ruthlesslyabsurd,
Wait until June when someone says the Mets bullpen is literally a dumpster fire.
Funny enough, Grammarly suggests removing “literally” from the previous sentence.
Lanidrac
@El Kabong Of course it does, or the Mets will literally have to forfeit a game and call in the fire department to deal with all that burning trash.
Blue Baron
El Kabong: It’s not that funny. Modifiers like currently and literally add nothing to a sentence.
El Kabong
@BlueBaron,
I realize that, but it added something to my sentence because I was discussing the word “literally.”
Giant Willy
Literally nothing?
GooseGoslinGuy
Well, at least Grammarly knows what “literally” means. The Mets bullpen might suck in June, but they won’t literally be a dumpster fire unless someone puts a dumpster into the bullpen, loads all the pitchers into it, and then sets it on fire.
Rexhudler86
@ohyeadam. Didn’t think he was going to get it, because not many teams were willing to spend that much. My guess is Cohen was bidding against himself. He fell for boras’ mystery team.
Frank Fds
supposedly the Yankees offered 16 years 760. so he wasn’t bidding against himself. maybe he wanted to grow facial hair. lol
Rexhudler86
@frank fds. That could be boras playing games like he’s known for. There’s no telling what teams were offering. The numbers that come out later are usually for PR. I’m sure something will come out that the blue Jay’s had him on a private jet, and offered him 900m.
warnbeeb
Queens is a lot cheaper to live in than upper east side.
stymeedone
I’m sure that was a concern for him./s
Tigers3232
@Rex Loosen up that tinfoil hat a bit. Now while teams can help up the price, MLB front office employees are a rather small fraternity. Most if not all GMs surely have contacts in other front offices and have a good pulse of reality.
If what you’re proposing were to be true, that would mean all MLB front offices turn a blind eye and deliberately stay quiet on the matter. Meanwhile that silence hinders them when trying to aquire talent. It’s just absurd, these owners are pretty dxmn good at holding a unified front every time a new CBA is to be bargained.
warnbeeb
Plus, the commute to the park is easier. Boras knows how to look after his guys in every single way.
Michol
Soon to be the worst ever
gravel
Michol is coping all over mlbtr tonight.
ReyDay
That would still be Rendon contract. Even if Mets get only 5 good years it’ll still be better than his.
Goose
YAY!!! The Red Sox were ‘interested’.
myaccount2
Every team was interested. Not every team can pay $765 million though.
Goose
The last 3 years Red Sox management has said they are in on big free agents and always say they have strong ‘interest’. Take a wild guess how many upper tier free agents they have signed in the last 3 years?
They have bigger needs but i guarantee Sam Kennedy will be all over sports radio saying they were close and came up in 2nd to the Mets but we are going to sign someone big. Then no one will get signed.
metsin4
The Red Sox might not really need to sign a position player. They have tons of talent coming.
lfcredsox
they can’t make a player sign a contract, why do you think it is so easy?, are you really that upset that they didn’t tie that much money up in one player, it would have crippled the. franchise for years
myaccount2
I don’t think your argument here is very strong given that this is a record-breaking contract. If it’s March and they still haven’t signed a big name, then I’ll understand your complaint.
El Kabong
@metsIn4,
That’s a great point. With the Yankees losing Soto and the Jays possibly losing Vlad in a year, the Red Sox can build a window of contention if they get the pitching right. The AL East is an intriguing division. It’ll be interesting to see what Baltimore does to fortify its window.
Enjoy the dawning of the Soto era. At the very least, it kicks off what figures to be a wild week of winter meetings.
ThatsIT?
That’s why they shouldn’t say anything in the media, so the simpletons like yourself don’t get confused
Joemo
Mets – While I agree, Soto is a generational hitter and signing him would have allowed them (Red Sox) to make additional moves to get high end pitching.
They didn’t NEED him, but he’s a player that if you have the resources, you go after him if he hits free agency.
El Kabong
Joemo — What about the Red Sox going for high-end pitching now (Burnes) and setting their sites on Vladdy next winter?
Joemo
El Kabong – my ideal off-season, prior to it starting and still holds true, would be to sign two top tier SP – I like Fried and Sasaki more but at this point I’ll take any top tier SP. And adding a RH bat (or Teoscar).
Vladdy doesn’t really fit in the roster if Casas continues on his path and the Sox can’t find a dump for Yoshida. He should stay in Toronto but they can’t seem to land a top tier FA.
El Kabong
Joemo—With the Red Sox and Yankees willing to spend, it would seem imperative for Baltimore to hang onto Burnes. Even with him, they need rotation help. The point is that the AL East’s power balance can shift quickly. There is a long way to go until opening day, but these winter meetings seem crucial for teams in that division. The high-end talent will disappear quickly, which will be bad news for any team with cold feet. The entire division can look quite different by the end of the week.
Joemo
Kabong – that’s true. The Sox desperately need that top tier pitching, and since they lost out on yet another free agent in Soto I’m not sure they will be willing to pay what it takes to acquire a Fried, Burnes, etc.
The thing that bothers me about the Sox and Soto is that it shows that the Sox haven’t changed. They will talk a big game and then don’t back it up when it comes time to write the checks. The same thing is going to happen with the other FA. They will sign somewhere else and then you’ll hear a report that the Sox were just under what they signed for. Same old story, same old song and dance.
Fever Pitch Guy
Goose – Kennedy’s preferred excuse is “the player and the Red Sox didn’t align on a contract”.
Gotta use the “align” catchphrase, always. It sounds so much nicer than “We refused to pay what the other teams were willing to pay”.
El Kabong
Joemo — Soto’s situation is different. He signed a record-breaking contract.
Dogbone
Rumor has it that Reinsdorf kept pushing the price up. LOL.
Unclemike1526
Reinsdorf would have had the big one at about 50 million.
CheapBloom
For that money and duration NO THANKS
DirtyWater04
I’ve been cynical about Henry being a tightwad for a while now and I would’ve been excited if signing Soto was the first step in radically re-shaping the team this winter, but you know, at that price, honestly, I’m not even mad they didn’t get it done. Mets can have him. He’s a great bat but he should not be the the highest paid athlete in history.
Of course, now the Sox need to go actually spend that money they were allegedly prepared to give him, so I’m trying to temper my expectations accordingly.
lfcredsox
exactly right we need pitching, and maybe a offensive upgrade or two, but that contract would be such an albatross
goob
@DirtyWater04 And, of course, from a Sox perspective – that he won’t be a Yankee anymore has to feel pretty damn good.
Fever Pitch Guy
Dirty – I agree Soto is basically just a great bat like Manny.
So how does it make you feel the Red Sox allegedly offered him nearly double what a certain great-hitting GG multi-position-fielding great baserunner and franchise icon wanted just 4 years ago?
DirtyWater04
Still sore about Mookie – best player this organization has produced in my lifetime, and one of my all-time favorites next to Ortiz, Manny, Pedro, Pedey, and Lester. I’d rather have him back than any of the free agents out there, but the mistake has already been made and the damage done. At some point they can’t let it continue to compound and remember we are the Red Sox and operate accordingly. They’re talking a big game about it, so I welcome that change if they prove to actually be serious about making it.
On one level, it’s insane that they’d go to this level for someone else when they wouldn’t go $300M for Mookie, but at the same time part of me is also glad that they aren’t letting that number become an arbitrary line in the sand that they’ll never go past for anyone. They messed up the Betts deal, but if the lesson they learned from that was to never offer anyone a big money contract ever again, then that takeaway would be even dumber than the act of letting him leave to begin with.
Fever Pitch Guy
Dirty – One of the things that is really annoying about John Henry is the lack of consistency, which I know is common for liars.
They used the “no longterm contracts because they are stupid” excuse for not signing guys like Mookie and Xander, but then they gave one to Story and Devers.
Then they said “no longterm contracts for guys over 30 because they are stupid” which is their reasoning for supposedly offering them to Yamamoto and Soto, but Mookie was only 27 in his walk year.
The bottom line is whether you’re 30 or 26 there’s still a chance you’ll get injured during a longterm contract. So either give them out based on past performance and past health, or don’t give them out at all. Let’s see what happens with Burnes and Fried.
BannedMarlinsFanBase
@DirtyWater04
You are correct in being cynical about John Henry and him being a tightwad. When he was the Marlins owner, he first started with his allusions that he would build them into never struggling again with all of his money. At first, we were thinking the NHL was wrong in rejecting him from becoming the owner of the Tampa Bay Lightning, when the reports were that he could not give them a straight answer on how he’d use his finances to run the team. Then we saw it when his first statements started to come out when he backed out of his orginal promise to build the Marlins their own stadium that all he needed was the land he’d be able to use. When they gave him the area he’d be able to build on, he started crying poverty. Think about that. He came in and was one of the most wealthy owners in MLB and started crying poverty to the city of Miami as the reason he could not build his team their own stadium, so he needed the city of Miami to front the bill. And he kept right on doing it throughout his tenure.
Then, a little under a year before he actually left, the reports started coming out that he may be willing to sell the team because he couldn’t afford to build a stadium. And he couldn’t afford to build the team up. When that happened, he started getting called out locally. And then, a much younger and more motivated Gustavo Cisneros made it clear that if Henry wanted to sell, he would buy the Marlins. Cisneros then started brokering a deal with the city of Miami where he would get the same land that Henry was to be rewarded. Cisneros, who has always had less money than Henry, then started prepping for the opportunity, even releasing his plans of making the Marlins “the team of the Americas” by making them the feature sports franchise on his Latin American television empire. And while this man with lesser revenue than Henry pushed for the chance, Henry kept claiming poverty. Then, as things were clear that the city of Miami was not buying the Henry bull mess, reports started coming of things moving internally within the organization that seemed to indicate that Henry was about to put the Marlins on sale, then the first shocker happened. Dave Dombrowski, who was loved in South Florida and Marlins fans (and his wife was loved too as a local upcoming news reporter), announced that he was leaving for undisclosed reasons, but with reports that he was informed of something coming. Everyone thought that this was due to an official sale coming soon. However, the next shocker came that we knew was going to be bad from the get-go. It was when Bud Selig and the MLB League Office, along with John Henry and Jeffrey Loria announced that John Henry would be selling the team to Loria, and that the Red Sox would be sold to Henry, and that MLB would be moving the Expos (who Loria destroyed) to D.C. and that they would sort out the ownership later. All of this was done, without giving Cisneros (who has always had a lot more money than Loria) a chance to bid on the Marlins like he wanted back then. And there were reports that it was tied to some of the reports of Mark Cuban wanting to take a shot at buying any of the three franchises, but mainly the Expos or Red Sox since he knew that Cisneros wanted the Marlins. And the reports after this was announced also included the mention that Dombrowski left when Henry told him about this and about Dombrowski’s former boss in Montreal, Loria, coming to Miami.
Oh, and the best part of it about it. John Henry, who cried poverty to the city of Miami, miraculously found more money to purchase the Red Sox for a price that was significantly higher than it cost whim to own the Marlins (which he already woned) and to buiuld the stadium in Miami. And if that wasn’t good enough of a piece, the next best part has got to be that Loria, after destroying baseball in Montreal (and clearly the reason Dombrowski left there and then left Miami), Loria was given a loan by MLB under Selig’s direction for Loria to purchase the Marlins.
This is the real John Henry. Of course, Red Sox loving networks like ESPN and FOX Sports never talk about that, but it’s who you Red Sox fans got. Granted, Henry put the money out there to win championships, but that seems to be more of him sprucing your team up for when he’d turn them into his cash cow. He bought the Marlins a little over a year after they won the 1997 championship, so he felt he had that in place to build the Marlins into his cash cow…especially if he could dupe the city of Miami to believe his cries of poverty, ignore his actual bank account, and hand him a free stadium for him to run his cash cow in.
Again, for Marlins fans, we’re not surprised by what John Henry has been doing in boston for the last few years. There’s no direction with the team and no real effort to sign big names they can afford because Henry is maximizing his profits. That’s who he really is.
DirtyWater04
This comment should be framed in thr Louvre. Excellent stuff. And it’s a true shame what he and Loria did to Miami. That should be hands down one of the best baseball towns in America and those two crooks may have totally destroyed any chance for that to ever happen. Marlins fans certainly deserve better.
BannedMarlinsFanBase
Yeah, a lot of people out outside of Florida contstantly bash the Marlins, but don’t know what led our franchise to the situation it’s been in. The MLB league office messed up baseball in Florida ever since the mid-90s.
In short, first, after expanding to Miami, they didn’t allow the Marlins to establish themselves and their reach in teh state before MLB expanded again with the Rays, who also took a hit due to expanding just a few years later, less than 300 miles away.
Then, MLB should have never allowed Wayne Huizenga to do the fire sale after the 1997 championship. Like they did with the McCourts later on, they should have forced him to sell the team for the good of the game. The momentum was built with the 1997 run, but tyhe fire sale burned it to the ground.
Then, after Henry was sold the team, when he started his cries of poverty, and went to Selig to see if he can pull off the deal he, Selig, and Loria eventually did, Henry (and Loria) should have never been allowed to bail out on their teams and go to new ones that they saw as better deals after they screwed the ones they owned. It should have been made clar to Henry that, if he wanted out of the Marlins, he would be out of MLB ownership forever. Same with Loria. And Henry still wanted out of the Marlins, then it should’ve been open bidding which very likely would’ve led to Cisneros owning the team prior to that 2003 championship.
And even after the Loria garbage happened, the MLB league office again had a chance to make it right when Loria sold because they had Jorge Mas step up. And while no one is entirely sure what happened, Mas representatives have always asserted that they were not allowed to do a final bid to beat out the Sherman/Jeter group. According to them and reports, Loria and the league decided to close bidding right after the Sherman/Jeter group made a final bid, which Jorge Mas himself stated who could beat out – yes the same Jorge Mas who’s worth 5 times what Bruce Sherman is.
Yes, us Marlins fans deserve better. Anyone that looks at the sports scene in our area see that we can support the major sports. We just need the right ownership, which we’ve never had, despite MLB having at least two chances to give us one, and unfortunately has taken many actions that have screwed the Marlins (as well as the Rays in connecting results). It’s sad when you see what the Miami Heat are; the Miami Dolphins are; and the Florida Panthers are as franchises, and then you look at the Marlins. Kids don’t have many places to play ice hockey, and most of South Florida culture isn’t really into hockey, but the Panthers are in better shape. The Miami Heat are a top-tier NBA franchise in a town where people see basketball as their third favorite sport behind football and baseball. And with the baseball mention, we see the sad reality that every weekend and weeknight, you can see baseball games at parks all over Florida (especially South Florida), but MLB can’t get things right with the Marlins and Rays. And they cater to guys like John Henry.
Marlins fans and all South Florida fans deserve better than this.
And I feel bad for you Red Sox fans because Henry is doing the same to you guys now that he feels those championships he brought give him a free pass to turn the Red Sox to his cash cow, while he spreads his bullmess of “we were in on [x-player].” He wasn’t trying to get any of them. Even Crochet today was a budget move to save face.
overdamonstah
lfcredsox
why would the red Sox sign such a ridiculous contract
Frenchredsox
$700 million is slightly above interested . But economics and sustainability is also important in a team sport where giving that type of commitment to ONE player who could get injured is a risk. They could use those now to sign 3-4 top players and be just as competitive. Thing is will they.
BannedMarlinsFanBase
@Goose
You Red Sox fans, for the last few years, are finally experiencing the real John Henry that us Marlins fans experienced when he was our owner. Expect more of the same to come.
StreakingBlue
$765 for a bad defensive player yikes
Luis_Fazenda
Yup. Glad my team (Dodgers) didn’t overpay for this guy.
bkbk
Shutttt upppppppppp
StreakingBlue
They know better then to do that. Ugh what a waste of a contract. You wonder why the Mets are constantly losing when it matters.
Led Hoyer
Mets might win a World Series with him in the lineup last year.
StreakingBlue
The only World Series the Mets are winning is from a Beer League
VonPurpleHayes
Not with that rotation.
metsin4
That’s what you said about the Phillies and Mets last year and they were good enough to send Philly packing.
ReyDay
Sound like a bitter ex
VonPurpleHayes
The Phillies offense was terrible. I had the Mets easily beating us and getting creamed next round. I was right.
Pads Fans
Von, the offseason is still happening and the best SP and to many the 2nd best SP are still on the market.
Pads Fans
Von, the Phillies offense was 8th best in baseball.
SportsFan0000
Ha! Soto is not that kind of player.
Didn’t help the Padres much.
Didn’t deliver a World Series Title for the NYY.
Was just a role player for the Nats on a loaded team of very good players.
Blue Baron
SportsFan0000: Wrong. He carried the Nats in 2019.
ReyDay
You say Soto who hit 3 HR, 7 RBI, 6 R, 5XBH, .333AVG in the 2019 World Series a role player for them? Lmao you sound like a bitter ex that lost his girl to the jock QB then says she’s not even that good looking. Trolls : /
metsin4
So your philosophy is the Mets continuously lose is because they sign hall of fame players? Good take.
stymeedone
So what’s your explanation for the losing?
VonPurpleHayes
Right, but most of that was due to their early success. Their offense was in a big slump in most of the 2nd half. It was inevitable. Every Philly fan knew what was coming.
No offense meant to the Mets, but the Phillies made that series look easy.
bwmiller79
If you are the Mets, you can’t be trading Acuna now, or Ronny Mauricio. You have to count on both plugging in at 2B and CF for the term of their rookie deals. Be nice to have Tidwell and Sproat develop too, can’t really consider trading them.
Vientos to first, Baty at third, Acuna at 2B, Mauricio in the outfield. Four rookie deals in the starting lineup will help quench the burning hot checkbook.
ReyDay
They still have 100MM to spend to get to last years payroll, that’s funny that you think Mets are done adding.
theruns
Yes, the team that made it to the NLCS and just added the best hitter on the planet is clearly a longshot to make the World Series!
Good work!
Jackalopal
Lol let’s see how the injury prone dh pitcher does when he turns 33
kershawsgrandma22
The 3 time unanimous MVP one?
Kevin Illyanovich Rasputin Kubusheskie
Got a ring, doesn’t matter.
jyosuckas
Literally overpaid for a guy that will fan out last year, the one that had the TJ surgery
bruinlife33
Luis: Didn’t sign with the Doyers because he didn’t want deferred money.
YourDreamGM
Would have been over pay for LA but it isn’t for the mets.
outinleftfield
Dodgers paid just $700 million for a player that can’t play defense at all.
Bivouac-Sal
@outinleftfield
which you certainly are.
Ask your smarter neighbors about Ohtani as a pitcher.
Suitcase Simpson
and delivered an mvp season plus a world series title in year one
Lanidrac
Ohtani plays defense whenever he’s on the mound. It just doesn’t matter much compared to his pitching.
Even all of Greg Maddux’s Gold Gloves were only a footnote in his Hall of Fame career.
VonPurpleHayes
Does Juan Soto pitch?
WadeBoggsWildRide
Definitely would take Shohei for the bargain price of $700 million
El Kabong
It’s odd that some people get mad about what others get paid. Once opening day arrives, most fans won’t care. They’ll be focused on current rosters and what happens on the field.
YourDreamGM
Dodgers got Ohtani for 400 and some. They are laughing all the way to the bank.
El Kabong
Ohtani is not complaining. And who cares what someone else gets paid? There are more significant concerns in the world right now. Baseball? Just enjoy the games.
kzw
@WadeBoggs…I’d take Ohtani for a billion over Soto with this contract. All day, every day.
Fernando P
@ Luis – Only because he wouldn’t take deferred money from your team. He wanted all his money now.
rizdakc99
Mets betting on 900 PAs when the golden at-bat rule is implemented.
It could’ve been worse… 20 years $800 million from the Dodgers with $780 million deferred.
baseballhistory
Soto is also 29 years old, not the ” fairy tale age” of 26, that he is listed at!!
prov356
Source please…
OPACY
Interesting……
WideWorldofSports
765 massive overpay
Michol
He will be hitting .250 soon as well
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Michol
No, he will be hitting 0.290 as a DH.
Scott Costello
You realize he was a gold glove finalist this year right? He is an average OF to be honest though. He is not Bad
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Gold Glove finalist and the name Soto should never appear in the same sentence.
The fact that Derek Jeter won Gold Gloves while being one of the worst fielders in all of baseball pretty much tells you what a Gold Glove is worth.
Scott Costello
Did you actually watch Jeter play regularly? He made every play that he could make. Sure he didn’t have the crazy range of some SS, but he was an outstanding fielder who rarely made mistakes. I trusted when a ground ball was hit his way he would make the play.
RussianFemboy
@streaking
that’s all you’re getting from his stats? nit-picking at its finest.
Simm
Bargain…said nobody
shark stitches
Somehow Ohtani looks like a bargain.
YourDreamGM
Ohtani was a bargain.
smuzqwpdmx
Ohtani’s value was held down by his repeating pattern of injuries, having an arm injury at the time of his free agency, as well as being a little older. If teams could’ve somehow been confident he’d have 10 healthy seasons left in him both pitching and hitting then he’d have earned a lot more.
Soto could get hurt, but there’s no particular reason to expect it.
Kk 4
And the crowd goes mild
C Yards Jeff
Hey, Orioles fan here. Happy he’s out of the AL East.
Yankee Clipper
Congratulations Mets fans…. Gotta say, this one hurts a bit. Back to the drawing board!
Braves_saints_celts
Yeah it would hurt me too, gave away Michael King who is a blossoming ace for one year of soto. Ouch….
Yankee Clipper
Exactly, man. Oh well, fifth or sixth isn’t really all that different from second anyway.
theonlydynasty
He really just didn’t want to be a Yankee i guess. That’s fine, yes I’m bitter right now, but I won’t be for 15 years. But for today, I hope this ends up like Arod in TX!!!!!
adamontheshore
I mean, they only gave up two years of King for Soto. So, even if King is an Ace next year, which he likely won’t be, though I suspect he will be very good, it’s not the end of the world, especially with the season that Soto gave them. If the other prospects become good then yeah, it might hurt, but not King alone.
Braves_saints_celts
He’s on his way to being an ace, his numbers support that, 200ks a below 3 ERA and 2 years vs 1 year, idk man I think I’d rather have kept my prospects and king, and he’d probably be cheaper than soto…. Way way cheaper to keep around plus he was born and raised in New York. And if you were so dead set on trading him, could have done it for someone with more team control than just one season.
Longtimecoming
Then what about adding Cease to the equation since Thorpe (many years) basically got SD Cease. Higgy with a career year that got him a nice contract. And yes, Vasquez and Brito still have some room and even if only a good 5 starter between them, there is some value there.
YourDreamGM
Don’t forget King
Longtimecoming
I was replying to Adam who had referenced King. His belief being of all they gave up was King it was still good trade.
YourDreamGM
My bad I don’t read em all. Good work.
Patriot12992
We can’t discount a pennant, Those do not grow on trees, I don’t like the way this yankee team was constructed but a pennant is a pennant.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Braves_saints
Without Soto, they might not have made it to the World Series. That is worth Michael King.
Motor City Beach Bum
Who’s up next for the Yanks Santander or Bregman?
Yankee Clipper
Ooof, man, I’d say probably Fried or Burns, but that is a wild guess honestly. It also wouldn’t surprise me if Cashman defaults to analytics, signs Buehler and being back Joey Gallo.
Braves_saints_celts
If y’all get fried, if healthy I promise you guys will love him. Absolute professional! I just wish the braves would do something we had all the time in the world to extend him but wouldn’t and now he’s almost assuredly leaving for a new team. We need a starter, a shortstop and an outfielder. My hopes are either ha or hye seong kim for short, I mean it may not be the best but we still have arcia to lean on for ha to get healthy or if hye needs an adjustment period. Starter I was hoping to bring back fried or get Bieber but that’s not happening so my next best guess is buehler and for the outfield I was hoping conforto but now I don’t even know who we could get with the braves cheapness. And no not saying the braves are cheap, we aren’t, but we are when it comes to top tier free agents!
Yankee Clipper
Braves, Saints, Celts: Glad to hear man. I’ve liked Fried, so I would be really happy with him.
Outfield Fly
Fried is a Braves legend, but I’m okay with the Braves not extending him. The last two games of the season including the playoffs are a microcosm of what he brings. filthy nasty stuff in his last start in the regular season in a must win game. But then a 5 run second inning in game 2.
Phenomenal and a great pitcher, but inconsistent, often injured/not healthy, and not the greatest playoff record.
He will be loved by Braves fans and rightly so. He helped us get to the World Series and helped us win/clinch a championship.
But his pricetag got too high for us, and that’s okay.
MLB Top 100 Commenter
Yankee Clipper
Christian Walker and Alex Bregman combined should equal Soto and Oswaldo..
kevnames42
@bravessaintscelts The Braves free agency “cheapness” comes from the fact that they have built a great consistent team which doesn’t NEED the top free agent in order to make the playoffs every year due to all the extensions they were somehow able to complete. They need a couple pieces, but they’ll be just fine next year
stymeedone
The Braves avoid Mr BORAS, as should every smart team.
outinleftfield
Walker. 1B needs to be addressed.
burrwick
Count your lucky stars.
YourDreamGM
Cashman won’t be denied twice. When he is 30 and ready to decline and opts out that’s when Cashman will go all in.
This is a A+ pass for Yankees. Soto didn’t make sense for them.
Yankee Clipper
Dude, you’re so right about that. Cashman will grab Castillo, Matthew Boyd, Juan Soto, and Blake Snell…… in 2030. Be like Ol’ Timers’ Day on that roster…. lol.
KnicksFanCavsFan
@Yankee
your really deel that way? Yanks have a lot of good young talent.
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, Walker provides excellent defense and hits pretty well. Alonzo is a major power threat, but doesn’t really improve the defense, and he will be a lot more expensive, imho.
Scott Costello
How likely is that young talent going to work out?? The Yankees are the best at wasting young talent. Outside of Judge, every young talented player in their farm has fizzled out once the big club gets a hold of them.
kgcubs
Aloha Clipper, as much as I want players to do well, this is crazy. I don’t think it’s good overall for the game. So much money tied into one player. I will say kudos to the Mets for not doing the deferral scheme. Well, maybe your Yankees can use a Cody and Nico or Cody and Paredes combo? Mahalo
BLIN7Y
Wanted the Yanks to get him but this number is ridiculous. 51MM AAV…Cohen will be paying the Tax for a long time. Alonzo will want a Grip to re-sign
Yankee Clipper
Honestly, I’d rather get Walker than Alonzo. I think he fits the teams’ needs better and will be much, much cheaper (and shorter-term commitment).
Scott Costello
Rizzo 2.0. No thanks
User 3716094111
I was sure he was coming to the Pirates. Damn
YourDreamGM
This Goku? Bright eyes?
User 3716094111
Neither, dude. Go watch Black Sails
Mehmehmeh
How much is deferred? That will be the interesting bit to see surface later.
rct
Apparently none with incentives up to $800 million.
Ma4170
No it says some will be deferred
Astros_fan_in_Aus
Where in this article does it say that ?
Ma4170
My mistake.. i read it wrong… reading too damn fast.. sorry
outinleftfield
Per ESPN’s Jeff Passan, the deal contains no deferred money and includes escalators that can push the contract beyond $800MM.
stymeedone
For that amount it should contain penalties for not winning MVP, Silver Slugger, Gold Glove, SB Title, and Roberto Clemente Awards.
Mehmehmeh
If Passan’s report is correct and there is none deferred, then this contract makes Ohtani look like a bargain.
Seamaholic
Ohtani is much older and has an injury history.
Bivouac-Sal
and pitches
Discokill
And brings an entire nation of fans and sponsorship dollars
YourDreamGM
Soto won’t bring and entire nation and it’s not as big and wealth anyways. But he will bring 200 300k more fans. That’s a lot of $. They don’t actually believe he’s worth 700m as a baseball player. If Ohtani wanted to be a met he would have been.
goob
When Soto is “much older” he’ll have an injury history all his own.
dclivejazz
Soto certainly brings along an entire nation. Perhaps not one as affluent as Japan, but all eyes in the DR are proudly on him.
Pads Fans
Ohtani is 4 years older and has missed time in 6 of 7 seasons to injuries. Elbow twice that resulted in UCL surgery, shoulder, knee, oblique twice, and finger.
As far as I know Soto has never had a stint on the IL.
DanUgglasRing
Insane. Congratulations Mets fans!
rct
Yeaaaahhh
Yankee Clipper
Hey man, congratulations. You guys are gonna love him. Honestly, I’ve always liked Soto, but seeing him bat everyday was different altogether. Plus, putting him with Lindor is going to make for a really nice 1-2 or 2-3.
Ma4170
Thanks… i hate the contract, but love the hitter… if they go lindor soto vientos 1-2-3 I’d like that a lot
YourDreamGM
Contract is fine. Enjoy Soto
rct
Was just talking to a Yanks fan friend of mine and I wouldn’t be surprised if Hal grabs Alonso after this. Yanks need some offense and Alonso would do well in that park. Cheers, thanks for the kind words, and good luck to y’all this offseason.
Yankee Clipper
Looks like we will need it now! Thanks A LOT Cohen….lol
Raymond Flagstaff
I would expect the mets to outbid for alonso if they have to
YourDreamGM
Don’t need Alonso now or even before really. They can be fine with Walker Goldy or even Santana.
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, honestly, I think Walker would be a better fit for the Yankees. They really need to improve defense which Walker will give them.
YourDreamGM
All 3 those guys would. Good gloves. I’d be thrilled with any of them.
myaccount2
That’s a lot of money.
YourDreamGM
Gotta spend $ to make $ unless you don’t spend $ and just collect revenue sharing.
hoof hearted
Could have had:Barnes, bregman and teo.
Cave
Austin Barnes my goat
kinkykontrol
Lmao. That was quick.
YourDreamGM
They still can have bregman and teo. Not sure about barnes though.
86mets
Who says they’re out on Burnes? Or Alonso? If Stearns wants Burnes, Cohen will green light that too. You underestimate Cohens desire to build a championship team.
txman22
They still need pitching if they’re going to get to the WS let alone win it. Yanks didn’t win it with Soto & Judge & perhaps a better staff than Mets.
outinleftfield
With Soto the Mets are at $251 million CBT payroll. That is $105 million less than last season.
outinleftfield
Burnes? $36 million AAV. Bregman? $26-28 million AAV. Hernandez? $20 million AAV. You are at $82 million AAV or more.
ReyDay
For Total money yes but for AAV they will prob be in the 80+MM range
hoof hearted
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Burnes
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Cohen's _Wallet
Oooooooooooooojhhhhhhhhhh
Bucket Number Six
Is that the sound of the cash being sucked out of the wallet?
tjmacari
I wouldn’t even give Soto $500MM, he doesn’t play defense, he is a 3 tool player. Yankees can do more with $760MM
alan.kawadler@verizon.net 2
Ditto for the Red Sox..
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lfcredsox
yeah, the Yankees dodged a bullet there, as did my Sox, and any team not called the mets
kzw
@TJ…what’s the 3rd tool? Hit, Power, then??
JackStrawb
That’s power and OBP. His avg since the start of 2022 is .269.
Pads Fans
Hitting, Hitting for power, Fielding, Throwing, and Running are the 5 tools. Soto has shown hitting, hitting for power, and throwing (arm strength and accuracy).
He is about league average on defense in RF. Not good, but not terrible either.
His issue on defense is range.
RussianFemboy
@tj
5 time SS winner as a 26yo.
he’s a top 5 player in baseball.
Raymond Flagstaff
cope harder bros!
Niekro floater
Hot stove should loosen up now since 1st domino fell. Teo just got more expensive.
Bucket Number Six
The hot stove was loose already. Players are going like hotcakes. Get ’em now before they’re gone.
goob
Loose cakes and falling dominoes – heads up everybody!!
Raymond Flagstaff
A lot of Sourdough going around too
courville123
That’s a lot of Sodough
Simm
Good one
YanksPhan42
For that completely insane deal…..I’m GLAD my Yankees passed!
Now go sign Corbin Burnes and Santander, trade for Bellinger and polish off the pen.
Cohen's _Wallet
Yanks came in 2nd, i sane deal either way. Double edged sword. The prize is the prize
Baseball dude
Actually yanksphan42, you would have been jumping for joy if the Yankees kept him.
YanksPhan42
Actually, if you reread my post, I meant what I said. Steinbrenner doesn’t have the unlimited pockets of Cohen and we have many holes to fill. It’s stupid money I’d rather see spread out…..just like any intelligent Yankees fan.
YourDreamGM
Yankees could have afforded him. Would have been a awful contract though. Hopefully they were just bidding him up and not that serious about actually signing him. I have my doubts though. I think they wanted him.
Scott Costello
Spreading out that money never works out. You end up vastly over paying for mid tier free agents because you are desperate. Those are the contracts that kill uou because those players typically play poorly or decline quickly.
DJ, Rizzo, Rodon, Stanton, Chapman just to name a few. Give me the sure fire superstar @ crazy money over spreading the money around.
stingray23
The Yankees didn’t pass. They got passed on.
Big whiffa
Passed lol. They got beat out by the Mets. Soto clearly didn’t want to play for Yankees
YanksPhan42
He took the highest bid and Cohen doesn’t care about the money like Hank does. AGAIN, for the 12 year olds on here that can’t read…..any intelligent Yankees fan is HAPPY we didn’t pay this. Too many holes to fill to spend it all on one guy.
Big whiffa
It was the same money and same city. What’s 300k a year out of 50 mil + ? They pay more in penalties on his salary than that.
It’s not a big deal and you’ll be a better man living in the truth of it. No one wants to play for my team, the reds lol. Just is what it is
YanksPhan42
Once again since you obviously started following baseball an hour ago……
Yankees have holes at 1B, 2B, LF, SP and the pen…..and Hal has a hard cap UNLIKE COHEN on the Mets. Can’t fill all of those holes spending stupid money on ONE GUY. I LOVE Soto!! But with our parameters….would NOT make sense.
Are you in there yet?
Boodge106
The Yankees offered $760 million for 16 years. They didn’t pass. They gunned hard for him and they didn’t get him. You can argue about the ways to construct a team, but you can’t say the Yankees passed. They clearly wanted him very badly too.
YanksPhan42
It was rumored they had a chance to match. So YES, they passed.
Nothing to do with MY point which is that Yankees fans would rather them spread that money out to fill multiple needs! Not sure how many freakin ways I need to say it on here.
Scott Costello
It’s funny. We will spread that money out by over paying some declining vets or average player off a good year. Then have an 84 win season and say …”All we need is that one Superstar to go with Judge and we could have won it all!”
That super star was in our grasp and let him go.
Pads Fans
Cohen was given the opportunity to match. Not Hal. that has been widely reported.
Pads Fans
The Yankees bid $5 million less than the Mets and Soto knew what their organization and players were like because he spent a year as a Yankee. $5 million didn’t make the difference in what team he chose to play with for the next 15 years.
Yankee Clipper
Brother, I think you have a valid perspective on that money for Soto, but honestly, Cohen was more committed. He’s fine with personally financing some of the operating costs.
Hat tip to the Mets – their owner stopped at nothing to get the guy they feel they needed.
The *only positive* for me is that I got another FA prediction correct.
YanksPhan42
We know Hal cares about the lux tax unlike Cohen. We have holes to fill at 1B, 2B, LF, a co-ace for Cole and rounding out the pen. Soto would have shot that whole load. At THAT money with Hal’s parameters…..we’re MUCH better off spreading it around……as long as Cashman actually DOES it….and does it intelligently!!
Make Corbin Burnes a priority. Trade for Bellinger. Sign Alonso or Santander depending on the $$.
Jazz, Judge, Bellinger, Alonso, Martian, Stanton, Wells, Volpe and Durbin is enough offense, IF……
Cole, Burnes, Gil, Rodon and Schmidt are the 5.
Yankee Clipper
Yeah, you’re right. What makes me nervous is Cashman doing it well, honestly. He’s rather overpay for a mid-tier guy than adequately pay for a top-tier guy (Cole the obvious exception).
We shouldn’t have needed Soto because we should’ve had Harper. Ugh, he pisses me off!
Unclemike1526
If the Yankees are truly interested in Bellinger, It frightens me to think of what Cashman and Hoyer together can come up with. Or down with. I’m getting a drink.
Scott Costello
That offense has 4 200 k guys in it! We’ve seen that show before and it was brutal to watch
User 3240017344
I love how you extoll the virtues of 16yrs 760m but 15rs 765m is like totes stupid
YanksPhan42
Says the 13 year old girl who said, “totes”.
Just wow.
User 3240017344
You’re totes crying more than a 13 year old girl lmao
ReyDay
They didn’t pass lol they got outbid. Y’all trying to twist it Yankees went all the way to try and get him. Soto passed on you guys not the other way around.
Yankee Clipper
You’re correct. Honestly, I can’t even be upset with Hal or the Yankees. They offered $765MM reportedly, which is waaaaaaay above what I thought they’d do (I figured around $685 or so).
But, Cohen was more committed to getting him. Yanks put their best foot forward and Cohen doubled down and got the girl. Good on the Mets, they got a good one.
Bivouac-Sal
classy as always Clip
Scott Costello
The Scary and upsetting part is, the Yankees best foot just doesn’t get it done anymore. Hal, Cash and Boone need to go. They are sucking the life out of this organization.
stymeedone
The Yankees didn’t pass. Soto passed on the Yankees..
johncoltrane
YESSSSSSSS
YESSSSSS
YESSSSSSSSS
YESSSS
OMG YESSSSSSSSSSSSS
metsfan1992
Am I tripping? lol
niel.marshal
For 765M, you can sign Burnes, Max Fried, Flaherty, Adames (If he not sign with the SF), Teoscar and stil probably have 100M left
rct
No, you can’t. It’s $51 million per season. You can’t get more than two of those guys for that AAV.
arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs
You can if you defer money like dodgers did on ohtani
Mynameisnoname
Not for 51 mil a year you couldn’t.
arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs
If you defer money on them you could
spooky
Players have to accept deferred money, you live in fairytale land. It’s $51 per year, like rct said you can’t sign 2 of those guys for that AAV
arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs
So, if players accept deferred money, you could sign them for the same aav. Hey thanks for proving my point.
Bizzle
No dude. The net present value still counts against the cap. So Ohtani’s $70M per still counts as $46M per against the cap, because that is the net present value due to inflation and opportunity cost of not being able to invest the money currently.
You’re not going to get those players to accept deals that are worth so little in net present dollar value. Why would a guy worth $26-35M in today’s dollars on the open market accept a deal that is only worth $17M/per in today’s money? Would you accept that? Would your sophisticated agent advise you against accepting that?
arty! Believes Jevon Belcher Quit on the Chiefs
So, if they did accept, they’d be able to sign them for the same aav. Hey thanks for proving my point.
outinleftfield
Burnes – $36 million
Fried – $26-28 million
Flaherty – $24-25 million
Adames – $26 million
Hernandez – $20 million
You are at $130 million AAV.
HopefulTwinsFan
The first billion dollar professional sports contract might be closer than we realize.
unpaidobserver
There arent many times guys on a HOF trajectory sign at age 25 tho…
metsin4
I’m sure Mbape could if he wanted it.
YourDreamGM
Ready for billion in 2 years. Just need someone good enough, young enough, who refuses to sign extension.
ayrbhoy
The best Footballers in Europe have already eclipsed that. Cristiano Ronaldo has made over a Billion. He made nearly $300M just in 2024 alone
Lanidrac
But was that American dollars or Euros?
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Dang. Not shocked. Steve Cohen was always going to top whatever the second highest bid was by like $50M and that’s exactly what happened.
Cohen's _Wallet
@ Trillion
Not by 50, by 5.
Still chose Mets, one would say Yankees offer was better. You decide… either way…..
Melvino
Having to shave daily can be a nuisance
mactds
Oof!
trashtalker4life
Suddenly that ohtani deal looks like a steal
Led Hoyer
Big time!
Big whiffa
It was a steal last offseason
JackStrawb
It really doesn’t, in this context. The most valuable years a player has to see are typically his age 25-29 seasons. Ohtani had just one of those to sell.
Clofreesz
On the bright side, Pete Alonso, Sean Manaea, J.D. Martinez, Jesse Winker, Jose Quintana, and the others will be available.
bloomquist4hof
Alonso and Boras have to be salivating at the prices this off season.
JackStrawb
Anyone who signs Alonso deserves what they get.
bloomquist4hof
I could see Alonso getting nearly double what he’s actually worth as a free agent. The 200m that got floated a while back is absolutely insane even in this market. I don’t think he gets that far but is a good chance he either gets grossly overpaid or maybe goes into spring without a contract. If I was the decision maker couldn’t see going past 4/100 on him and good chance he exceeds that by alot.
Biggie22
Winker>Soto
J/K…. Great signing; congrats Mets!!!
YourDreamGM
For the Pirates he is at least.
Salzilla
W T F
Failure.
Deflated.
But hey we got money to burn now, get some big names, Yanks, and change our moods.
Enjoy, Mets!
LarryJ4
Lmfao the teams defense went from bad to worse! And walks won’t make up for the runs lost on defense. That outfield defense is HORRIBLE.
tuck 2
He should be a DH no doubt
metsin4
Led the league in putouts, fielding percentage and Assists for a right fielder but he’s horrible because trolls say so.
Astros_fan_in_Aus
You conveniently ignore his minus stats in Outs above Average and Defensive runs Saved. He is a joke in the outfield.
metsin4
Yes I take this with a grain of salt when he got to more balls( leading the league in put outs) while doing it with the highest fielding percentage and threw out the most baserunners.
Pads Fans
What is a joke is not understanding what the numbers mean.
Soto’s -1 DRS means he is just slightly under average. He is not like Schwarber who had a -29 in LF the last time he played there or Castellanos who had a -75 DRS career and -11 last season in RF.
OAA only represents a players range. nothing else. Yes, Soto has poor range.
Statcast says Soto has a 90th percentile arm value. In case you don’t know, that is really good.
revolver
Lol fielding pct. Everyone in the world runs on him that’s why he piles up assists and po’s. He’s a negative value defender and baserunner.
Lanidrac
Fielding percentage is a joke stat for outfielders, since official scorers never charge them errors on missed catches when they should, except occasionally when they actually touch the ball with their gloves before it hits the ground.
As Revolver mentioned, the assists are highly misleading.
As for the putouts, how many other players in the NL played RF for almost every game? Try comparing him in putouts per inning of defense at any OF position (not just RF)..
JackStrawb