Right-hander Nick Pivetta languished for quite some time on the free agent market after he turned down a Qualifying Offer from the Red Sox in search of a multi-year deal. The 32-year-old wound up being one of the final pitchers to come off the board this winter. He ultimately signed with the Padres on a four-year, $55MM pact that comes with some protection for the club against Pivetta undergoing significant elbow surgery. That relatively low-cost deal seemingly wouldn’t have been difficult for another club to beat this offseason, and so far Pivetta has made the rotation-needy clubs who passed on him look foolish.
In his first five starts this year, Pivetta has pitched to a 1.20 ERA across 30 frames. He’s struck out 27.0% of his opponents, walked just 6.3%, and made it through seven full innings in the majority of his appearances. For years, Pivetta has been viewed around baseball as a potential breakout arm with electric stuff despite never quite putting it together across a full season in the majors, with a career 4.66 ERA and 4.30 FIP. That led the Phillies to deal him to the Red Sox back in 2020, and that led Boston brass to shuffle Pivetta between the bullpen and rotation during the 2023 season. Even his best seasons with the Red Sox from 2021 to 2024 saw him pitch to a middling 4.33 ERA and 4.20 FIP. Could the veteran’s long-anticipated breakout have finally arrived in his first year with San Diego?
The possibility cannot be dismissed out of hand. After all, Pivetta’s success has come in spite of two his his five starts coming against the Cubs, who sport the NL’s best offense and the most runs scored in all of baseball to this point in the calendar. His first start against Chicago was a lackluster one, with three runs allowed in three innings of work, but his second time facing the club saw him strike six batters out while walking just one with one run allowed in six innings of work. Combine that with the seven scoreless innings he twirled against the Tigers and their own top-10 offense in the sport so far, and it’s hard to say Pivetta has coasted through an easy schedule so far this year.
With that being said, there hasn’t been much in the way of drastic changes. Pivetta’s 27.0% strikeout rate and 6.8% walk rate this year are both better than his career norms, but weaker than last year’s figures of 28.9% and 6.3% respectively. His fastball velocity also remains virtually unchanged from last year, when he posted a fairly pedestrian 4.14 ERA and 4.07 FIP across 145 2/3 innings of work. That lack of tangible change is a potential red flag that suggests this dominance won’t continue, as are Pivetta’s .205 BABIP allowed, 88% strand rate, and 2.9% home run-to-fly ball ratio.
All of those figures as well out of line with not only Pivetta’s career norms but what can be expected for MLB hurlers in general. Pivetta’s HR/FB is particularly noteworthy, however, as home runs have been the righty’s primary bugaboo throughout his career. Pivetta has allowed the fifth highest number of home runs since he arrived in the majors back in 2017 among all pitchers. Among those with at least 800 innings of work since then, Pivetta’s home run rate is also the fifth-highest, while his home run-to-fly ball ratio is ninth-highest. The long ball has always been what’s held Pivetta back throughout his career, but he’s allowed just one home run in his first five starts.
While this year’s level of home run suppression is all but impossible to imagine being sustainable, the underlying metrics do suggest that Pivetta has done better than usual in terms of keeping the barrel off the ball. His 8.1% barrel rate so far this year would be the lowest he’s posted in any season since 2018 if maintained over a full season, and he’s currently sporting a 37.8% hard-hit rate that would be his lowest since 2019. Combine that with the lowest average exit velocity and highest infield fly ball rate of his career, and it’s not hard to see why Pivetta’s allowing less home runs than ever. Regression back to the mean must be expected, but there’s at least some signs that the veteran could allow fewer homers this year than he has in any of his previous full seasons of work.
On yet another hand, there are generally more home runs in the warmer months. It’s perhaps not a coincidence that Pivetta’s career splits form a sort of bell curve, with his ERA lower in the spring and fall but higher in the summer. He has a career 4.01 ERA in March/April, then 4.34 in May, 4.66 in June, 5.11 in July, 6.02 in August, then 3.84 in September/October. As the weather heats up, all pitchers have a harder time keeping the ball in the park, which could be especially noteworthy for Pivetta.
Do MLBTR readers believe in his strong start or is the right-hander going to come back down to Earth eventually? Have your say in the poll below:
There really needs to be a 3rd option. I think he’s going to post the best year of his career but I don’t think he’s going to continue to be truly dominant.
Agreed. He’s past half way to his best season by bWAR already, but he’s not going to keep this pace up.
Not a breakout, but I think like a late career arc & peak. He’ll have his best seasons in SD, as a reliable, above-average veteran starter. Like an Eovaldi?
Jbig – exactly. I chose A because it will be his best season but honestly I think some regression is coming. He will end up somewhere between A and B.
Agreed it looks like some regression is coming. Pivetta’s K%, BB% and Hardhit% are about the same as last year. His BAbip and HR% are way down. Not sure that’s sustainable. The HR% may be sustainable due to his new pitcher-friendly park.
Pivetta on pace to surrender a mere 5 homeruns in roughly 150 innings. Last year he gave up 28 in that span. I blame the torpedo bats.
Nick Pivetta is going to be Joe Musgrove 2.0. good stuff, links up with Ruben Niebla, and unlocks sustained success. He always had good stuff, and if Niebla helps him control it, he will continue to be good.
Agreed. Pivetta reminds me a lot of Musgrove when he first came to the Padres. Great stuff. Just needed some tweaks.
Hopefully he doesn’t suffer the injuries that Java Joe has sustained
It’s so cheap a price it can’t be a bad deal. Detroit is paying 29 million this year alone for Cobb and Maeda. YIKES !!!
MP – Not only is it a bargain price, the Padres have added protection in case of injury. It was a shrewd contract by Preller.
Think about it …. instead of holding onto Nick the Red Sox may have given up a boatload of talented prospects and a $170M contract for a pitcher who is WORSE than Pivetta! How embarrassing for the Red Sox.
I agree
I saw this guy have hit stretches like this every year he was in Boston. He’ll go through tough stretches for just as long too where he gives up a ton of homers.
Maybe not in that park though.
From 2021-2024 Pivetta never had a 5 game stretch as a starter with a 1.20 ERA.
In those 4 seasons his best stretch as a starter was May 7 to May 29 2022 when he had a 1.59 ERA. baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=pivetni0…
He did not have a 5 start stretch under a 2.00 ERA in any other season with the Red Sox. He was close in July of 2023, but his relief appearance in the middle of that month broke a streak of very good starts and he was slightly over a 2.00 ERA as a starter.
No this is absolutely fools gold here.
If a 3.3 SIERA is fool’s gold, I’m buying.
It’s Nick freaking pivetta. Stop it.
Players’ underlying skills improve and decay. Pivetta in 2023 – 2024 wasn’t even the same pitcher as in 2017-2022. His control improved dramatically (command, not so much, what with all the homers). I’d be surprised if he didn’t finish with a sub-3.5 ERA this year, given the performance he’s already banked and the underlying metrics all pointing to a much better pitcher.
You can change everyday just like we do our undergarments.
Again this is nick pivetta
Hot start yes
Cy young caliber sp?
Who are we kidding here
I never said he was CY-caliber.
HE-His numbers were similar to Musgrove when he came to SD, and Niebla helped him unlock his potential. I could definitely see him doing the same with Pivetta.
Comping musgrove on the same regard and were not rolling out red carpet here? Idk about that one man.
I’m not putting long term stock in pivetta at all and the smart ones aren’t either.
An adjustment sure it’s plausible but no nick pivettas brightest day isn’t joe musgroves upside. Who are we kidding here.
Gloat after 162 games.
I wrote about Pivetta just this morning!
You know how the Red Sox emphasize strikeouts so much? They kept forcing him to throw the slider last year because of the 32% K rate, but this year he hasn’t thrown a slider even once.
Last year he threw just two sinkers all season, this year he’s thrown it 16 times already. He’s also significantly increased the use of his cutter this year.
I had been saying all offseason a change in teams could finally allow him to advance to an “ace” starting pitcher. Didn’t take long for Niebla to figure out what Bailey and the Red Sox couldn’t.
I wish Nick all the best, he’s a great guy and it’s awesome to finally see him put it all together after years of elite K/BB rates. Too bad the Red Sox couldn’t handle it, but at least he didn’t sign with the Yankees or another AL East team!!
@Fever Pitch Guy
You talk about it like the Red Sox are the only team Pivetta pitched for until this year. The Phillies were not able to unlock an “ace” for an entire season either.
We are talking about a 5 start stretch. Don’t get me wrong, I wish him the best of luck. However, thinking he is all of a sudden, an ace after 5 starts is going a little overboard in my mind.
braves – The Phillies had him prior to Thomson and Dombrowski, he was all-around awful with them. It’s silly to compare those years when he had a 5.50 ERA and 1.433 WHIP to his last couple years in Boston when he had a 4.09 ERA and 1.124 WHIP.
Here’s why you and others are severely underestimating Pivetta’s status and value as a pitcher coming into this season:
1) He had the 4th-best K/9 ratio in MLB over the past 2 years (min 250 IP) which places him behind only Snell and Glasnow and Sale.
2) He’s 48th in ERA
3) He’s 53rd in IP (despite pitching some in relief)
4) He’s 50th in WAR
5) He’s 8th in Appearances
6) He’s 18th in Strikeouts
7) He’s 5th in K% behind only Glasnow, Snell, Sale and Skubal.
8) He’s 5th in K/BB% behind only Skubal, Glasnow, Sale and Ryan.
I could provide plenty more, but I think you get the picture now ….. the guy was a #2 or #3 pitcher on most teams. Put him on a team with a better pitching coach, better defense and better relievers, and he could finally have that breakout season.
Like the article above states, Nick had phenomenal peripherals and all he needed to become an ace is one tweak to cut back on the gopher balls.
Just to reiterate, as of right now he’s pitching like an ace. There’s no denying that. But nowhere did I say he would maintain the Pedro-esque performance for the remainder of the season. I don’t do predictions, in fact I hate predictions because there are way too many variables.
Fever Pitch Guy, where do you post your writing. You always have the most well-informed comments (even if I disagree sometimes).
mom – Thank you, I appreciate the kind words.
Nice info Fever, thanks
braves, that is telling me you have not watched him pitch this season and wouldn’t know what to look for in terms of changes he has made even if you did watch.
These are good points. Particularly since the article cites a lot of results based statistics, but no mention of changes in his pitch mix and approach. Dennis Lin at The Athletic had a short write up discussing Pivetta’s move to the 1st base side of the rubber and an increased usage of a two-seamer among some of the reasons for his improvement. Copying a bunch of stats from Fangraphs or Baseball Ref. without discussing possible reasons for the improvement is just lazy.
Believe he is working on opposite side of rubber on mound this year. Should at least be mentioned in article.
@Rishi this is definitely a big part of it. Niebla moved him over to the 1st base side because he likes his angles better over there. I think part of the theory is that it keeps his FB away and not leaking over the middle of the plate against righties. If you look at a heatmap of where he is throwing it this year compared to last, he’s living more outside.
He’s made some little tweaks that should get him better results plus Petco probably helps him as a fly ball pitcher.
The home stadium is the best home stadium he’s ever pitched in. Petco is pitcher friendly. CBP and Fenway are not.
He passes the eye test too.
AJ got a good deal.
At the end of 2015, Rich Hill put together 4 amazing starts, 29 innings, 1.55 ERA, microscopic WHIP. The following year was impressive as well, albeit limited to 20 starts. Guys go on runs. It gets noticed more at the beginning and end of seasons. Pivetta and Eovaldi were workhorses for the Red Sox, good to see succeeding elsewhere.
hayzee – With all due respect, if you read what I wrote about the changes the Padres implemented with his pitch mix, that would certainly indicate it’s likely more than just a brief run he’s on. But as always, time will tell.
This is the Pivetta the Red Sox got flashes of but couldn’t keep it going. Having a more consistent offense, a better defense, and stronger bullpen makes a rather large difference
Rsox – And the aforementioned change in pitch mix instructed by Niebla, the Padres manager and the Padres coaching staff.
Can his hot start be believed? I would say yes, because it really has happened, and we can see the evidence in actual data. Can he keep it up? Not likely, unless one wants to believe he’s better than 1968 Bob Gibson.
Need an inbetween voting option. He won’t sustain an ERA in the 1’s, but he does seem likely to have his first career season with an ERA under 4. I’d guess he finishes the year with a 3.50 ERA.
Jason – That is exactly right, thank you!
Last November I specifically estimated a potential of 3.00-3.50 ERA and I’m sticking with it.
712 votes and an even split at 356 apiece. Definitely not a sure thing
Has the Florida Supreme Court weighed in?
Way closer than I expected. I figured most readers would be down on Pivetta sustaining this.
I have it a homer “yes”. I agree with others that this level of brilliance ain’t staying, but Pivetta should post a sub 4 ERA.
Yes, when players leave Boston they become immediately better.
I wish this were true for Xander.
simon – That’s because the Red Sox coaching has sucked for so long, and their team mantras are getting worse. There’s a whole bunch of Sox hitters and pitchers that are underperforming so far this season because of one-size-fits-all team policies and approaches.
The Orioles should have signed him, but No…. They wanted Charlie Morton.
The Padres have one of the top 3 pitching coaches in MLB.
The O’s may well have the worst.
I believe he’ll be more like the first 1,030 innings of his career, not the last 30.
Exactly. The guy has been knocking around the league for awhile now. At some point, you pretty much are what ya are. If he was 26, 27 I would be liable to buy it. But do guys really fundamentally change (for the better) at this age???
He’s obviously not THIS good but only thing I would say is he has had such impressive strikeout numbers with a respectable BB rate (last year at least) that he has the look of a guy who could be more than he is. This usually would require adjustments, and switching teams increases the odds of that. He has been improving in ways for years now. The walk rates been coming down and the WHIP has gotten very good over the last couple of seasons. HRs have been an issue obviously. He’s a bit like Kikuchi in that his potential is always intriguing but something seems off. We saw Yusei go on a run after switching teams last year. Idk that I fully buy that and maybe I should be more skeptical here.
That’s an excellent example re: Kikuchi…he definitely has had 2 month spurts here and there where he appears to have figured something out to elevate his game substantially. It’s something between the ears with him, but with Pivetta it doesn’t seem to be psychology…although if anyone could fix him, Niebla seems to be an adept technician.
If his mechanics were like the 1st 1000 innings of his career, you would be right. They aren’t. If you have MLB.tv, watch a few of the games he has pitched. Then go back and watch the highlights from 2024 with the Red Sox.
It’s really quite remarkable how minor changes have done to change his game completely. The most obvious is pitching from the 1st base side of the rubber instead of pitching across his body by coming from the 3rd base side. Lowering his glove when he comes set is allowing the ball to be hidden behind his body almost until he is at his release point. He also lowered his release point just a few inches and now he isn’t coming across the ball on his cutter and he is able to stay on top of the ball better on his 4 seam. Eliminating the slider from his repertoire. Plus a few other things most people miss.
Pivetta won’t put up a 1.20 ERA for the entire season. No one will. What he can do is improve as much as Cease did when he came to SD. Cease went from a 4.58 ERA his final season in Chicago to a 3.47 ERA in SD. Most that are around the game expect that type of improvement from Pivetta with the changes he has made.
It’s just hard to imagine that he’s never tried any of those fixes before. He’s 32 years old and been in the league since 2017…and nobody has ever suggested these tweaks or he never took it upon himself to learn and adapt new techniques?? I mean there’s nothing new under the sun, whether it’s starting from a different part of the rubber or a new grip or release point. So it’s taken him 8 years to have such an “ah-ha!” moment, transmogrifying from a homer happy middling #4 to a #2a stud flamethrower it’s almost so fantastical that’s it’s unbelievable.
Look at how long it took Rich Hill. He had a breakout when he was 35 because he moved to the other side of the rubber, threw more curveballs, and changed his arm slot. He was much more successful the next 5 years than the prior 10.
Players are always making adjustments to try to improve their game and sometimes it does work. There are tons of examples of hitters changing their stance/swing and performing way better. You’re basically saying it’s unfathomable that mechanical adjustments can make a pitcher significantly better. Why even have pitching coaches or invest in high tech pitching labs if it’s not possible to improve player performance?
Pivetta had pitched from the 3B side of the rubber his entire career. Not hard to verify that. Just watch some video. It wasn’t JUST that one change. It was a large number of small changes that added up to what you are seeing today. Niebla is a wizard who also has access to some of the best tools to improve pitcher performance in the game.. The Padres biomechanics lab is 2nd to none.
Just listen to the interviews with Pivetta since he joined the Padres and you will have your answer. The Red Sox never suggested that he move to the 1B side of the rubber. Pitchers are creatures of habit, and the Red Sox were getting good but inconsistent results from Pivetta. He was a better than league average starting pitcher for them. Durable #3 type starters are valuable, so they were not willing to reinvent the wheel.
According to AJ, the Padres went after Pivetta because Niebla said he felt that minor mechanical changes could turn him into a TOR starter. As usual The Fog was right.
The Fog. I love that. It was Niebla that pointed out that his name means fog in Spanish.
He’s not as good as his ERA, but dude pounds the zone and limits walks. He won’t be running a ~.200 BABIP or a 3% HR/FB, but both xFIP and SIERA have him as a 3.2~3.4 ERA type. If he gives the Padres 180 innings of that production, the deal is a slam dunk.
xFIP and Siera are great predictive stats when you have 150+ innings of data to base the calculations on. Like any stat calculated based on a small sample size they are useless as of right now.
What is not useless in determining how he might do going forward are the changes to his mechanics that were made. He is pitching from the opposite side of the rubber. His release point is lower. His hands are held lower in the set position and his motion is more compact. He is hiding the ball behind his body better because of the way it comes out of the glove from the lower set position. His spin rate is higher on all of his pitches.
A healthy Pivetta is in the running for a Cy Young when all is said and done this season.
All excellent points! Mechanical adjustments support the underlying performance improvement.
Nah lol
King & cease proved they’re stars immediately after becoming a padre
Pivetta is following suit
He had a ton of k’s & low whip with sox . Just gives up a lot of dingers. alot Easier now playing in a Pitchers park
Pitching coaches matter.
Pivetta, Quintana, Heaney all late signers and all throwing like Grover Cleveland Alexander.
GCA might have had the single greatest season of any pitcher in baseball history. in 1915, he won 31 games, with 241 k’s, a 1.22 era, and 36 complete games.
walter johnson once won 36 with a 1.14 era and 243 k’s. but thats all in the dead ball era. in the 60s koufax + gibson put up some dead ball-esque #s that caused the mound to be lowered
Anyone that voted that he will regress has not seen him pitch this season. The changes in his mechanics are night and day from what he was in the past. He may not put up a 1.20 ERA for the full season, but a healthy Pivetta is in the running for a Cy Young.
“he may not put up a 1.20 ERA for the full season” should be changed to he absolutely won’t put up a 1.20 ERA for the full season.
He’s always been talented and underperformed his peripherals. Pitching to his current 2.78 xERA wouldn’t be a shock.
Ok, Nostradamus. The actual point went over head.
Stating a common sense fact doesn’t make me Nostradamus.
AJ Preller is Nostradamus
Man, I’d be over the moon with a sub-3 ERA from Pivetta.
A full point improvement in ERA is a reasonable expectation.
Similar to Jung Hoo Lee who came in with a lot of promise but was slowed down by injuries and appears to be bursting on to the scene this year, Pivetta had all the promise but was slowed down by injuries and ballpark factors which have both been fixed so far. So 1.20 ERA currently won’t hold up, but I’d assume closer to an ERA of 3 rather than the 4 last year.
Pivetta will regress to the mean and post a season similar to those he posted from 2021 to 2024.
His 1.20 ERA translates to an actual 3.24 SIERA, which is still quite respectable. His .s05 BABIP also suggests some regression back to the mean for him as that seems quite unsustainable.
BABIP should read .205.
The problem with that reasoning is that his delivery has been changed. He is not the same pitcher he was from 2021-2024. He is pitching from the opposite side of the rubber and that is just the most obvious of a slew of changes he has made. This is NOT the same pitcher that played for the Red Sox.
If he ends a healthy season with a 3.24 ERA, that will be more than a full point lower than 4.33 ERA he had from 2021-2024. It would be 25% better than he pitched during that stretch with Boston. It would be the performance of a dominant starter. Top 10-15 in MLB. Someone that would be in the conversation for the Cy Young.
This isn’t really a correct usage of “regression to the mean.” When we use that term, “the mean” is the entire population of players, not one individual’s established performance.
For instance, if we’re talking about his home run to fly ball ratio, the mean actually refers to a better outcome than Pivetta’s past performance. If we were to build a projection for HR/FB, it would look something like 50% lg avg rate + 25% Pivetta’24 + 20% Pivetta’23/‘22 + 5% Pivetta’25.
It begins and ends with Rueben Niebla. Dude is unreal. Pivetta will have the best seasons of his career with the Padres, and it shouldn’t really surprise anyone.
Anybody believing this has never watched pivetta for long. He will suck for weeks at a time at some point. He always does this
Yeah, like suddenly his adjustments have made him into the best pitcher of all time.
He has literally NEVER done this before. Must hurt to know that he never pitched this well for the Red Sox
Come back to me in September when he has a 4.5 era and everyone sees that he is what he’s always been. Hot and cold
So I catch you spouting BS, point out that you don’t know what you are talking about, and that is your response? Were you dropped on your head repeatedly as a child?
So you know better after watching pivetta for one month? I watched him in Boston for years. He would look like the best pitcher on the planet for about 5 starts in a row and then he would implode for about 8. Just wait. He will not stay this good.
Pivetta has literally NEVER been this good before. Ever. Not once. Not for ANY 5 game stretch.
While he was with the Red Sox he also never made changes to his approach on the mound, to his mechanics, and this season he made a number of changes including moving to the 1B side of the rubber so he no longer throws across his body. PLEASE don’t believe me. Listen to his interviews this year about the changes he has made.
Of freaking course he won’t have a 1.20 ERA at the end of the season. No one will. But to say he will be the same Pivetta that he was with the Red Sox is just plain stupid. It ignores the major changes to his approach and the improvements that most pitchers have made when coming to the Padres.
Players make changes all the time. You don’t all of a sudden become a different pitcher in your mid 30s. Might he have a career year? Sure, but he’s not even going to be the best pitcher on your roster before the season is over.
prescient take.
I am a believer in the Padres pitching coaches. Musgrove came to the Padres with a career 4.37 ERA other than 2020. With the Padres its a 3.20 ERA. I always throw out 2020 when talking about a player’s stats because most were so far off anything they did before or after.
Then Cease went there and his ERA dropped from the mid 4’s to the mid 3’s.
Then King and they converted him from a good reliever to a full time starter. King had a 4+ ERA in his 20 career starts with the Yankees and with the Padres he has a 2.78 ERA in 36 starts.
Robert Suarez. Jeremiah Estrada. Jason Adam. Now Pivetta.
I so want the Angels to steal Niebla away from the Padres.
as a starter, King had a 2.23 ERA in 2023 through nine starts in NY. he had already broken out.
King had 19 starts through 5 seasons with the Yankees. He pitched 5 innings or more in only 6 of those. His ERA was 4.33 as a starter.
In 2023, 4 of King’s 9 “starts” were openers of 2-4 IP. The first of those appearances was in late August. Basically most were long relief. Something he did most of his career.
Only since he became a Padre in 2024 has he been used as an actual starter expected to pitch into the 5th inning or later.
almost. nine starts, 40.1 innings so close to 4.5 per start. for the record that would be pitching into the fifth. you can check his game logs on bref, he pitched past the fourth basically all of September.
LITERALLY 4 of his 9 starts were openers where he came out of the game in 2-4 innings and you are trying to say that it didn’t happen? I DID check his game logs. That is why I KNOW what he did in those games. In his 5 starts in September he pitched past the 4th in 4 of 5 starts. WTF is wrong with you?
Well that caused a rumble. Pads, you have the facts right. tinytim likes to argue, but rarely gets them right so I just ignore him. Maybe you should too.
Kind of saying the same thing, but I was mainly replying to this:
“Only since he became a Padre in 2024 has he been used as an actual starter expected to pitch into the 5th inning or later.”
It’s really not true, since as we both acknowledge, he was stretched out as a starter at the end of his Yankees tenure.