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Poll: Will The Angels Sell This Summer?

By Nick Deeds | July 22, 2025 at 2:43pm CDT

The Angels have been mired in mediocrity for more than a decade now, despite employing both Mike Trout and Shohei Ohtani at the peak of their powers in that time. It’s been tough to be an Angels fan for a very long time, but this year has offered the Anaheim faithful at least some hope. The team, while two games under .500, is still at least nominally in the Wild Card race as they sit just four games back of a playoff spot in the expanded postseason field.

It wouldn’t be the first time the club has been aggressive in spite of long postseason odds. They bought aggressively at the 2023 trade deadline, adding a group of players headlined by Lucas Giolito as they fought to make the playoffs during Ohtani’s final year under club control despite Fangraphs giving the club just a 19.5% chance at the postseason on July 31 of that year. The Angels find themselves in a situation with at least some parallels to that season now.

While Trout remains under club control for quite some time, he has a chance to finish this season healthier than he’s been at any point in his thirties and has looked very much like the player he was throughout the 2010s since returning from his latest IL stint at the end of May. In 45 games since being activated, Trout has hit a robust .279/.424/.468 (147 wRC+) and tied Juan Soto for the highest walk rate in all of baseball. His .397 xwOBA this season is the eleventh-highest figure in the sport among qualified hitters, suggesting even better days could be ahead if he can just stay on the field. For a team that hasn’t made the postseason since Trout was 22 years old, any opportunity to get their franchise face and future Hall of Famer onto the sport’s biggest stage is one that the Angels should take seriously.

On the other hand, Trout’s continued health is obviously far from a guarantee. It’s already unknown when he’ll be ready to do more than DH. And after the past half decade, no one should be surprised if another injury were to sideline him down the stretch. What’s more, the Angels are simply not in the same position they found themselves in back in 2023. They’re four games out of a playoff spot entering play today, compared to just half a game out on July 31 of 2023. Only five teams in all of baseball have a lower run differential than Anaheim, which has allowed 61 more runs than it’s scored this year, and Fangraphs gives the Halos just a 4.8% chance of the postseason entering play today.

Perhaps the course of action for the Angels is simply to stand pat. Luis Rengifo is in the midst of a brutal season, leaving the player who would otherwise be their top trade chip unlikely to bring much value to the table. Kyle Hendricks, Yoan Moncada, and other rentals on the club have not done much to position themselves as top-of-the-line trade pieces, meaning closer Kenley Jansen could be the only rental piece on the roster with a substantial market. Trading longer-term pieces like Yusei Kikuchi and Reid Detmers could bring back more value, but would signal a willingness to forgo mid-term competitiveness despite the fact that Trout is already in his age-33 season. That would be something of a shock for Angels ownership to sign off on, given their previous tendencies.

How do MLBTR readers think the Angels will approach this coming deadline? Will they engage in a proper selloff, or could they instead stand pat in hopes of making a postseason run—or perhaps even do some light buying? Have your say in the poll below:

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  1. Ketch

    2 months ago

    This summer is the Angels property to sell?

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    • Gwynning

      2 months ago

      It is sometimes amazing to find out what Arte owns…

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    • Johnny Bravo

      2 months ago

      Sell the F-ing team ice agents take Arte Moreno to alligators Alcatraz that way, end the Angels fans misery

      I say bye trade some prospects. These players are playing their hearts out You can’t give up on them and pull the rug underneath them now!

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  2. bkbk

    2 months ago

    Not mentioning Taylor Ward makes this article unserious

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    • Butter Biscuits

      2 months ago

      He would bring a decent return

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      • Troutahni

        2 months ago

        They should trade Ward for a Centerfielder who can provide p some on-base average. I don’t care what this writer is thinking, But Rengifo is hitting much better and he is coveted by the Yankees. He solves their 3rd Base Problem. The Angels could deal both Moncada and Rengifo and try to acquire Dominguez and Grisham. Moore will take over at Second. Dominguez replaces ward in left.

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        • GoogleMe

          2 months ago

          Trading Ward and Jansen would be best. All relative depending on what teams are offering. Ir teams are not offering anything, may as well hang onto him.

          The Angels have 4 corner outfielders and no CF. Adell was good defensively in RF last year.. This year he is -11 DRS. His jumps and routes are horrible. Rada probably isnt quite ready yet, but may be worth a call up once the Angels are out of contention.

          Angels should have traded last year. He will be much harder to move or get anything this year.

          I would like to see them recall Johnson as well. He is stretched out as a starter. Recently had a complete game one hitter w/ 12 SO. I know it is only high A, but may be the best option with Kochanowicz out.

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    • i like al conin

      2 months ago

      He’s not going anywhere. They will be more competitive next year and they hardly trade played with more years of control.

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    • sad tormented neglected mariners fan

      2 months ago

      The angels will never trade Taylor ward, just like how the Rockies will never trade McMahon

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    • bkbk

      2 months ago

      After the weekend series, call up Dombro and say “Ward for Painter.” Maybe hes drunk? Otherwise, carry on.

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    • HalosFan8

      2 months ago

      I wish they would finally restock some legit prospects for Ward. This is the time to get a good return for him

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      • Troutahni

        2 months ago

        ADELL is Ward, but younger and more athletic. We wouldn’t miss a beat this season.

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    • HalosFan8

      2 months ago

      I wish they would finally restock some legit prospects by trading Ward and/or Detmers. This is the time to get a good return for them. We are nowhere near competing with the best in the league.

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    • Rexhudler86

      1 month ago

      @bkbk. He might bring back a nice return. I would’ve said rengifo,at this point angels would be lucky to get a mal-nourished Dominican player hitting below .200 in single a. The only ones I can see them moving is Anderson and kenley that might not even happen with arte running it.

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  3. ih8tepaperstraws

    2 months ago

    They shouldn’t. Their offense is good, but they need pitching in the worst way. I think they are playing well enough to get make the wild card if they can get a legit rotation.

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    • sad tormented neglected mariners fan

      2 months ago

      That’s what I thought back in 2023 when they were also close to .500 this time in July and then they traded for giolito

      That was not a good move… the angels always collapse in the dog days of august

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      • Halo11Fan

        2 months ago

        Going for it with Ohtani wasn’t a bad move, however every move Minasian made was bad….everyone.

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      • orange2001

        2 months ago

        They also had a crazy amount of injuries in 2023, which contributed to their collapse. The difference is they’ve been unusually healthy this season. Even Trout has only missed about a month and other players like Moncada and Soler haven’t stayed too long on the DL.

        I still don’t think it’s wise to trade for rental pieces as they aren’t that good to contend this season for anything more than a wild card spot. But I’m not opposed to trading for players under contract or control through next season or beyond.

        And of course, if Perry receives trade offers with strong packages for Jansen, Anderson, Moncada, Soler or Rengifo, then you need to consider making those deals.

        So, I think they should do a little buying and selling at the deadline.

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        • Halo11Fan

          2 months ago

          This team isn’t going to be good until Minasian and Moreno are gone.

          I don’t trust anything they do.

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        • ih8tepaperstraws

          2 months ago

          The angels haven’t made the playoffs in over a decade. Just getting into a wild card game would be huge for them. They got the offense, but I don’t think they have the pieces to trade for any front line starter without taking a major step back. I suppose that’s what happens when you draft players onto your major league roster. Which by the way, I absolutely love.

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        • orange2001

          2 months ago

          While I agree with your sentiment, I feel that they can win* despite Arte/Perry (not this year, but in next couple of years) just as they won under Disney, which was also terrible ownership. They just need to stay on course with their youngsters and draft picks until it gels. And they’ve been showing glimpses this season.

          To clarify, I don’t necessarily say win* as in winning a world series, but meant more in terms of a winning culture (like they had in the 2000s), winning divisions and regularly getting into the postseason.

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        • Halo11Fan

          2 months ago

          Orange, I wish I could see it.

          I can’t see one position where they have a top of the line player. And I won’t see Neto as a top of the line player with 3% Range. That’s their best player.

          So, they need to be above average at every position. And I don’t see that either. Too many holes.

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        • ih8tepaperstraws

          2 months ago

          To me, I see a lot of Freddie Freeman in Shanuel. He could wins batting title one year and if he can add another 7-10 home runs to his game, he’ll he a very legit hitter.

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        • Halo11Fan

          2 months ago

          Freeman has slugged. Schanuel is slugging under 400.

          My hope he could become Mark Hargrove, but they spent a year trying to get him to pull the ball.

          I was hoping for Mike Hargrove. But he has to get back to what he was.

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        • ih8tepaperstraws

          2 months ago

          He’s shown really good progress in slug this year. But that’s what I’m saying. He’s certainly big enough to unlock a lot more natural power. If he does that, with his bat to ball skills, he could be really special.

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        • Sealbeach Comber

          2 months ago

          orange2001: ” just as they won under Disney, which was also terrible ownership”

          Disney had full control of the Angels for six full seasons (1997-2022). The team had a winning record for four of those six seasons, cumulating with 99 wins and a WS ring in 2002.

          Under Moreno, the big-market Angels haven’t had a playoff appearance or even a winning season in a decade. The last playoff game win was over 15 years ago. The farm is consistently ranked one of the worst in the MLB. There have been drug and bribery scandals.

          I’d definitely prefer the “terrible ownership” by Disney over what has evolved under Moreno.

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        • fansincethe80s

          2 months ago

          Disney offered the team up to be contracted when that was a thing. There is nothing worse than that.
          Angels won in despite of Disney’s ownership.

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        • Sealbeach Comber

          2 months ago

          fansincethe80’s: “Disney offered the team up to be contracted when that was a thing. There is nothing worse than that.”

          I would argue that Moreno’s hamstringing of GM’s (stupid marketing focused signings, penny-foolish restrictions everywhere else) is worse than that. Disney at least got out of the way and let the team win a ring. Moreno? He’s turned this big-market franchise into an embarrassing joke.

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        • GoogleMe

          2 months ago

          I don’t mind Schnuel as much as most Angels fans. I guess I have been an Angel fan too long and I am just accustomed to the Angels not having having that pro typical 1B. When I was a kid my favorite player was Rod Carew. He couldn’t hit for power, but he was perennial all star. You can go through Angels history of 1B, Erstad, JT Snow, Wally Joyner, Scott Spiezio, etc. all similar non power guys. I mean Pujols was that pro typical 1B, but even the Pujols the Angels received was the water down version.

          Schanuel is probably middle of the pack as far as 1B today along with the likes of Carlos Santana, Rhys Hoskins and Josh Naylor.

          Schanuel is 23yo and is on a upward trajectory as he shows improvement each year. . His power numbers are up. He has 28 extra base hits already. He gets on base and bats from the left side, which are things this team needs desperately. If you want to have a scapegoat for the reason the team is failing, Schanuel isn’t the guy. If power number continue to improve year over year, he could be top 10 1B next year.

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        • Halo11Fan

          1 month ago

          Vic Power…a wonderful firstbaseman. Jim Spencer, JT Snow. Gold glove winners all.

          This team is not a fan of prototypical firstbaseman.

          Outstanding point. Except for defense, Schanuel fits right in.

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        • Rexhudler86

          1 month ago

          @orange. Agree with everything you said i rather sell off for next year, and make some shrewd moves in free agency. Moancada and soler have been on the dl alot, but been relatively decent for the price I’ll take the 10-15 prospects and roll the dice again. Heck even use the rule 5 draft instead getting edwards jr or the long list of waiver trash they got this year.

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        • Halo11Fan

          1 month ago

          Rex. You called it the DL. My respect for you has grown.

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        • Rexhudler86

          1 month ago

          @halo11fan. Are you disabled my bad? Im old school and not a stat nerd, but we have been talking crap on rengifo for years. I haven’t seen his defense team come out this year. Probably only miss 5 games a year. He’s trash.

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        • Halo11Fan

          1 month ago

          I hate the IL. They went politically correct on us.

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    • Bronxlou

      2 months ago

      They are not playing that well and they should clearly move their spare parts for some future value. They are behind three teams (Mariners, Rangers, Guardians) chasing the three East times for the last wild card spot, and they’re tied with the Royals. More concerning, of all those teams they have by far the worst run differential (-62 runs) suggesting that even maintaining their current sub .500 record will be hard to do. Their stubborn decision to go for it in 2023 had everything to do with persuading Ohtani to stay and it clearly hurt the team’s development and shouldn’t be viewed as a precedent.. More relevant is their waiver salary dump last season. Their four free agents to be (Anderson, Jansen, Rengifo, Moncado) are earning $34 million this season, so trading them now saves a chunk of money, even if it doesn’t bring back top-100 prospects.

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  4. Old York

    2 months ago

    Yes. We need a good old fashion fire sale. I’d like to see something similar to the Cleveland Spiders / St. Louis Browns trade.

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    • Bauer? But I Hardly Know Her!

      2 months ago

      We all need a good Old Fashioned as Angels fans.

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      • kellin

        2 months ago

        Is that why I’ve suddenly been craving them when I go out for drinks with friends over the last few years?

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      • Big Deke

        2 months ago

        Whiskey or Brandy?

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        • kellin

          2 months ago

          @big deke Whiskey. I didn’t know they made old fashioneds with brandy.

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        • Big Deke

          2 months ago

          It’s a midwest thing, I went to college and was a bartender in Wisconsin.

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        • Bauer? But I Hardly Know Her!

          1 month ago

          Brandy! I first had one when I lived in Madison.

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  5. Acoss1331

    2 months ago

    Probably stand pat, but Perry might try and add to make a competitive playoff push…

    Jansen would bring in some substantial prospects back, but sadly knowing the Angels they’ll muck it up…

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    • kellin

      2 months ago

      That and Jansen has stated quite publicly that he does not want to be traded because he wants to stay and help the team win.

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      • Acoss1331

        2 months ago

        That’s nice of Jansen, he probably won’t be traded. Angels front office probably won’t do much this deadline anyway.

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        • kellin

          2 months ago

          Yeah, they kept Pillar last year because he wanted to stay and help, so I can see this happening with Jansen as well.

          It could also be that they didn’t get any good offers. Angels seem to over-value their players.

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        • orange2001

          2 months ago

          And willing to bet they also didn’t receive any good offers (if any) for Pillar last season. They didn’t hesitate to trade Estevez and Garcia as they received nice packages for both… and they would’ve done the same had someone offered 2 fringe prospects for him.

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    • sad tormented neglected mariners fan

      2 months ago

      Angels are probably going to be delusional again and buy at the deadline just to win 75 games

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  6. mlb fan

    2 months ago

    This younger version of the Angels has at least been watchable, unlike some other recent years.

    If I actually knew what the Angels should do, I’m fairly sure I’d be running the Angels.

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    • Halo11Fan

      2 months ago

      Did you watch that minor league game yesterday? Sorting by Fangraphs team defense the Angels ranks 30th.

      How are they watchable? They have been outscored by 61 runs. We are very lucky to be close to 500.

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      • Oldhalo

        2 months ago

        At Halo11 – we gifted the game to the Mets yesterday. That’s about 12 this year by my count.

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        • Halo11Fan

          2 months ago

          For me, there are four things that make a team unwatchable.

          1) Do their batters strike out a lot? The Angels rank 29th. but I can live with that because they hit for power.

          2). Do they turn outs into outs? The Angels rank 30th.in defense. 30th in outs above average.

          3). Do their pitchers throw strikes? The Angels lead the league in walks.

          4). Does their bullpen shut the door? The Angels pen is 29th in ERA. Mixed bag in blowing games. 29th in negative win probability, Fifth in Win Probability Added.

          It’s a hard team to watch.

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        • bkbk

          2 months ago

          Bro, you are the cal Ripken of self hating Angel fan. I get it, Arte has zapped the joy, Not trading Ohtani for Caminero & Baz wakes me up some nights, but this team is very obviously the most exciting version of the angels in 7 years, cmon.

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        • Halo11Fan

          2 months ago

          Why, because I see a team that doesn’t play good baseball and I notice.

          I prefer reality.

          I appreciate good baseball. And I don’t think you understand what good baseball looks like.

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      • ih8tepaperstraws

        2 months ago

        I’m a Cardinals fan and I think the Angels are a lot more enjoyable to watch than the Cardinals. The Angels don’t go entire series without scoring any runs. Though, I also really enjoy watching the Athletics as well. Big fan of all the talented youth in the game right now.

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        • Halo11Fan

          2 months ago

          The Cardinals have scored more runs than the Angels and have outscored their opponents by 6 runs. They are also second in defense.

          You must be the Cal Ripken of self hating Cardinals fans. :).

          I guess the grass is always greener.

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        • ih8tepaperstraws

          2 months ago

          Look from June 1 on. And I’d still rather watch a team score 3-4 consistently every night than a team that puts up three in 6 games, then put up 8 and then back to being shut out.

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        • Halo11Fan

          2 months ago

          They both have a similar amount of games scoring 2 or less run,

          The Angels are 4 and 24.
          The Cardinals are 4 and 28.

          And the Angels just boot two balls. I’d rather a team turn outs into outs than single out four games.

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        • Halo11Fan

          2 months ago

          Now 4 and 25.

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        • ih8tepaperstraws

          2 months ago

          The Cards have been shut out 9 times. The Halos just 6.

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        • Halo11Fan

          1 month ago

          Just six? :). Is still 3 games out of 100. Give me the team that turns outs into outs. Which for the Angels is a problem every game. The Angels seldom play a clean game.

          I miss clean games.

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        • ih8tepaperstraws

          1 month ago

          10th shut out of the season today. And they were in Denver!

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        • Halo11Fan

          1 month ago

          Oh wow, I get that point. I get that frustration. Let’s just say, “who sucks worse?.” Is debatable. Too close to call.

          In Colorado? Really?

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    • Bauer? But I Hardly Know Her!

      2 months ago

      If I knew what they should do, they’d do the opposite.

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  7. Halo11Fan

    2 months ago

    It doesn’t matter. Minasian will not have a single meeting where he is not the sucker at the table.

    How many years is this owner/management team going to be in place?

    Bullpen ERA since Perry took over,..25th. This year 28th. He can’t even fix the little things.

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    • Cohen's _Wallet

      2 months ago

      @Halo11Fan
      Coming from the Dumpster fire ran Wilpon Mets, we in Metsville feel your pain. Hopefully Moreno wakes up one day and realizes the damage he’s done to not only a once great organization, but a loyal fan base. A fan base that now has to endure watching not only the Dodgers win for so long but doing so with the Angels own superstar. Ultimate proof that millionaires are dumb too.

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  8. twozero6ix

    2 months ago

    No but they should

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  9. deepseamonster32

    2 months ago

    The Angels should not re-do 2023. That was uniquely justifiable because of Ohtani.

    I expect they’ll buy because they’re the Angels, but it will be a mistake.

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  10. Jose R

    2 months ago

    Angels should trade ward soler moncada Hendricks Jansen Renfigo we need to restock our farm system and push for next year to make the playoffs our young nucleus of Neto Schanuel ohoppe Adell Moore Soriano plus trout can make the playoffs with pitching additions in the offseason

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    • ih8tepaperstraws

      2 months ago

      Next year Trout will be a year older and probably hurt all season. They need to get TOR pitching and make a run at it. The west is a bad, they can make noise if they had pitching.

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  11. rct

    2 months ago

    Given the headline, I assumed this article would be about Artie finally selling the team. No such luck for Angels fans.

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  12. James Midway

    2 months ago

    Hear me out potential buyers, we have a 3B who hits lots of doubles and has won a World Series.

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    • johnnyangel

      2 months ago

      Lol

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  13. Rsox

    2 months ago

    The Angels won’t “sell” necessarily. Maybe they deal a Pitcher or two to the Phillies, as has been the custom in recent years, but they won’t do anything drastic

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  14. Jose R

    2 months ago

    Oh and also trade Anderson he should bring good prospects back

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  15. RonDarlingShouldntBeInTheHallOfFame

    2 months ago

    What they should do: Trade everyone, punt on the season, and with the pieces they’d get back for Trout alone, be in a good spot for the future.

    What they will do: Trade scraps for scraps, hold on to Trout, and will be stuck in below averageness for the foreseeable future.

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    • kellin

      2 months ago

      People who insist on including Trout in any kind of trade situation clearly have zero idea what they’re talking about.

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  16. JoeBrady

    2 months ago

    They should sell. But my guess is that they wait until it is too late, and make one inconsequential sale.

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  17. johnnyangel

    2 months ago

    The rental players, aside from Jansen, nobody wants.

    The controllable players are decent enough that one could see continued progress into next year, so trading someone like Ward punts competitiveness next year.

    They’ll stand pat unless there is some lower level reliever from the Giants or Braves that is offered/given to him.

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    • Rexhudler86

      1 month ago

      @johhny. Ward is like GA he lacks hustle that type is expendable. Not saying he’s bad, but they need gamers. Not a coincidence that the kids step up big in games. The rest just pad stats and mope around the field and go through the motions.

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  18. empirejim

    2 months ago

    Arte being Arte is more likely to extend Rendon than to sell…

    Have you forgot that he opted NOT to get anything for Ohtani a couple years ago?

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  19. Omarj

    2 months ago

    Focusing on run differential is kinda weak, especially for this site. They’ve improved since mid May. Injuries set them back, but this team didnt do much in the pitching dept beyond Kikuchi and Jansen yet look where they’re at. They’ve more competitive than experts predicted. If they add pieces, they’d be closer. Need to improve SP, BP, and contact bat prefer LH. People want them to sell but prospects aren’t guaranteed and they’re kinda close this year. If they eat $ and go over the tax for this year and possibly next, they could align themselves for higher projections. They finally have a core. But owner is inept, GM is confusing, and the fans not outside of Arte selling, not sure what they support

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  20. americasfirstbaseman

    2 months ago

    The naive 19% who think the Angels will push their chips in and go for it remind me of all the sports writers over the past 10+ years who have preseason picked the Angels to win the division while disregarding how bad the rest of the team is and what the management has historically done (or not done, rather).

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    • kellin

      2 months ago

      Its not about whether they’ll make the post season, its the attempt. Seeing as they tried this in 2023, and the team is better this year, I can see it happening.

      What amuses me is the 13% (currently 161 votes) who think the team is going to do a full tear-down. That’s never happened under Arte and won’t this year, either.

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    • mark68

      2 months ago

      I’m not naive. I think if they are still hovering around .500 as we near the trade deadline, I think they WILL go all in., based on history (especially 2023).

      I don’t think they should, but I absolutely believe they will. I think they need to ride with the kids, let them get through the year with little pressure, make moves around the margins, then pile their chips in the pot this offseason. It worked for the Rangers (for a year), it worked for the Royals (possibly for only a year, but the jury is still out), and it *could* work for the Angels, possibly for a longer term, given that 3/4 of their infield, their catcher, and 1/3 of their outfield are young, improving, and still (in Adell’s case) somewhat controllable.

      But no, they should not go for it this year.

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  21. Oldhalo

    2 months ago

    I don’t want to sell, perhaps add if the opportunity is right but not for the sake of making the playoffs this year. I think Moncada could be brought back cheap and I think that would be a good move, at least for next year. Renfigo should be traded because he is a significant liability on defense, despite his offensive production (which is off this year). He simply costs more games on defense then any value that he could add at the plate. Jansen, I would say make the deal as long as the return makes sense, otherwise ride it out since he is one of the reasons the team is in contention. As for Ward, keep him. He will leave a gaping hole and as we have seen, it takes years to fill the holes. Keeping him bodes well for signing him in the future. I don’t want to see a dumpster sale. I also don’t want to see young talent shipped off for temporary players.

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    • Rexhudler86

      1 month ago

      @oldhalo. Finally people have been calling out rengifo’s defense also his mental errors. Stat nerds say neto has no range, but he makes stud plays every game. They said trout will be exposed in the minors and wouldn’t be able to hit in the mlb. They won’t trade the core. I’ll take the 10-15 prospects coming back as a nice buffer for next year. We can grab some moancada like players in free agency,and have some kind of depth next year.

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      • Halo11Fan

        1 month ago

        You think he makes stud plays because he’s flashy.

        I’ve never been a fan of flashy, but I understand why fans are. When drafted, the scouts didn’t think he could play short. I think they are right.

        The best part of MLB extra innings is watching other teams broadcast. Looking forward to Hernandez and Darling today. You get honest takes, not the local team’s PR broadcasts.

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        • Rexhudler86

          1 month ago

          @halos11fan. Scouts said trout will be exposed and it wont translate to the mlb. Sometimes you have to use the paper shredder and it admit it was wrong. I miss hudlers takes i guess it was honest he was high as crap talking about the x-mo

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        • Halo11Fan

          1 month ago

          I never read that about Trout.

          Neto is flashy. It throws some fans off. I see a slow first step, and data backs that up.

          He does come in well.

          Anyway, Grich was moved off short and was one of the best secondbaseman of all time. Both offensively and defensively. And one of my favorite players.

          The key was moving him off short.

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        • AngelsFan1972

          1 month ago

          @Halo11 You are omitting a key factor in moving Grich off of SS. The Orioles had a glove first defensive specialist in Mark Belanger ahead of Grich.

          The Angels may have their potential starting 2nd baseman already, they do not have anyone better than Neto in the system. There is zero need to move Neto right now. The Angels need to address other needs, not create more.

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        • Rexhudler86

          1 month ago

          @halos11fan. It was baseball America coming out of the draft. It wasn’t a accurate quote just paraphrased it, but I saw it locked on angels and they pulled it up. My point is the draft is wrong in alot of aspects. They got neto wrong and it happens.

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        • Halo11Fan

          1 month ago

          And you are omitting that the Angels signed him as a shortstop and played zero games at shortstop for the Angels in 1977. And the Angels moved him off short for mainly Dave Chalk.

          The Angels should move Neto off short.

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        • Halo11Fan

          1 month ago

          Rex, with respect, If you see things I don’t see and vice versa, the only way I’ll change my mind is if data supports your position.

          In this case, DRS is formula based. Since we have a ton of ground ball pitchers with limited strikeouts, DRS is skewed. I don’t even look at it.

          I trust statcast.

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        • AngelsFan1972

          1 month ago

          He was already an established 2nd baseman when the Angels signed him!

          Moving Neto off short solves nothing, it only creates more holes.

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        • Rexhudler86

          1 month ago

          @halos11fan. It goes both ways last year Brian Kenny said rengifo was a elite fielder based on analytics. He’s always been a turd. I dont see anything wrong with neto. Fine we move him to 2nd. Who’s playing ss? Newman. Your argument doesn’t make sense. Just saying you need to blend both and make a opinion.

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        • Rexhudler86

          1 month ago

          @angels. Yeah not solving anything maybe they do it in 3-4 yrs. Angels dont have anyone coming up currently. So its a stupid argument.

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        • Halo11Fan

          1 month ago

          They signed Grich as a shortstop, don’t you remember? And moved him back to second in 78.

          Players are often signed as shortstops and move off short. It’s not uncommon. If Neto had spent more than 10 minutes on the minor leagues, or we had a competent minor league development system, they might have done the same thing with Neto.

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        • AngelsFan1972

          1 month ago

          @Rexhudler The MLB draft is the most inexact in all professional sports. A great example is the 2021 draft. Plenty of people on here complain about the Bachman pick, but if you look at the 8 others drafted in front of him, not one has made any meaningful impact in MLB yet….I do emphasize yet.

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        • AngelsFan1972

          1 month ago

          I can counter your argument with PLENTY have been moved off their positions and tanked both offensively and defensively.

          Your Grich argument/ example is a mere drop in the ocean.

          You still haven’t presented how you solve the “new” SS issue if you moved him off SS. Then where do you move him? 2B? They have other potential 2b players, does not make sense. 3b? if you do that, then you counter many of your this player does not fit the prototype for that position.

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        • Halo11Fan

          1 month ago

          So you think he hits because he plays short and wouldn’t hit if he was moved to second?

          Can you name a few of these “plenty of players” that were moved early in their careers that stopped hitting when they were moved to less demanding positions.

          Unlike you, I like data. I look forward to these many many examples that stopped hitting when they changed positions.

          But just looking at all time WAR Angels.
          Downing Grich, Erstad, Anderson all changed positions.

          I’m looking forward to these plenty of under 25 year old examples.

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        • AngelsFan1972

          1 month ago

          I will gather my “data” as soon as you address how moving Neto right now solves any of the Angels issues.

          I will add to that, that you cannot say with 100% certainty that moving him would make him a better WAR player.

          I can counter that Downing was moved to get him more playing time, rather than being at catcher.

          Grich…I have addressed

          Erstad was moved because he could no see the ball. He was losing the ball in the lights.

          Anderson corner OF to corner OF, ok, and?

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        • Halo11Fan

          1 month ago

          Grich was signed by the Angels as a shortstop, they moved him to second after year one. So, you have no point about Grich. And moving to a different corner is still moving. LF RF is a completely different throw.

          But anyway, that should give you even more players.

          So what young poor defensive player who could hit, was moved to a less challenging position and stopped hitting? You said Plenty.

          I can’t think of any Angels.

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        • Halo11Fan

          1 month ago

          Carney Langsford was drafted as a shortstop. Mark McLemore was drafted as a shortstop.

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        • AngelsFan1972

          1 month ago

          Once again, you fail to really address what I have been saying all along!!!!!

          How is moving Neto off of SS right now going to solve all of the other issues? Neto at SS is the least of their worries. Moving him off SS just creates another issue, and a harder hole to fill. I have not once said Neto is a premier defender and should never be moved. I have been saying over and over, there are other places to look before even considering moving Neto.

          Lastly, in typical fashion, you bring up examples (Downing, Anderson, Erstad, Grich) of players who are older, and challenge me to provide examples of players who are 25 and younger.

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        • AngelsFan1972

          1 month ago

          Trout was a SS when he was drafted, Glaus was a SS when he was drafted. Percival was a catcher when he was drafted, Kenley Jensen was a catcher when he was drafted.

          Yeah so………………………………………..

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        • Halo11Fan

          1 month ago

          I think you’re the one who doesn’t get it. I don’t know how many times I can say it.

          We need a shortstop. Short term solutions are short term solutions. It’s why we set an all time record for losses last year. It’s why are system is ranked 28th and we have a run differential of -65.

          If you don’t recognize that’s a major part of this teams problems, I don’t know what you are thinking.

          This was probably the best shortstop draft in years. So what do they do? They draft a pitcher well ahead of projections,

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        • Halo11Fan

          1 month ago

          Huh. You’re making my point. Moving Neto is the right thing to do.

          His defense at short ranks 13th percentile. The Angels defense is dead last.

          The Angels need to do something about tomorrow. Their short team solutions create more problems.

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        • Halo11Fan

          1 month ago

          Anyway, as long as this team thinks like you…short term…it will continue to be terrible and will continue to lose.

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        • AngelsFan1972

          1 month ago

          You seem to be the only one who has an issue with Neto being the Angels SS. Case closed

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        • Halo11Fan

          1 month ago

          And you can’t see that’s a problem.

          The Angels best player is a shortstop who can’t play shortstop, and the Angels don’t think that’s a problem.

          You couldn’t make my point any better than that.

          That’s why we set an all time record for losses and have a horrible farm system. With there lack of realization, it’s not going to get better.

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        • AngelsFan1972

          1 month ago

          It is only a problem in your eyes. I do not see anyone else who seems to have an issue with Neto being the Angels SS.

          You choose to wallow in misery and despair, that is your choice. Then you get all worked up when you can’t get anyone to cry in your drink along side you.

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        • Rexhudler86

          1 month ago

          @angelsfan1972. Its definitely only him, and like you said who’s replacing neto. He’s only saying neto isn’t a ss so he can gripe about all of perry’s picks.

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        • Halo11Fan

          1 month ago

          Rex. Why didn’t we draft a shortstop?

          If you don’t see there is problem, it’s not going to fix itself by magic.

          This team stinks, and just one of the reason it stinks is our defense stinks.

          You first have to identify there is an issue before you can fix the issue.

          The fact they did nothing about it should scare a sane fan to death.

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        • AngelsFan1972

          1 month ago

          Why are you literally THE ONLY ONE with an issue with Neto?

          Show me one published article written in the last two years claiming Neto is a liability at short.

          You are an army of one!

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        • AngelsFan1972

          1 month ago

          @rexhudler You are right about that.

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        • Halo11Fan

          1 month ago

          I’m not the only one. The fact that you don’t know this shows how few people you get your information from.

          Nine of the first 14 picks were shortstop. The reason there isn’t an alternative is because you may be somewhat right. Everyone in this organization is too stupid to think there is a problem.

          There is a problem. This team might be the worst up the middle defensive team in Angel history. Replace word might with probably.

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        • AngelsFan1972

          1 month ago

          I challenge you to prove me wrong!

          Show me one published article written within the last 2 years.

          The fact that cannot provide one show how few people you get your information from.

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        • Halo11Fan

          1 month ago

          How about fan graph. Or statcast.

          You really need to start getting information from people who don’t work for the used car dealership.

          Out of the 26 shortstops who have played 500 second, Neto ranks 24th.

          His lack of range cost the Angels big yesterday.

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        • Rexhudler86

          1 month ago

          @halo11fan. Not saying the defense isn’t a problem, but its definitely not neto. It mostly falls on rengifo or the 30 interchangeable players we’ve had in the infield. Probably more than 30.

          As far as the draft I’m not high on bremner, but we definitely could use pitching as well so I’m not upset. I would’ve taken Arnold.

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        • AngelsFan1972

          1 month ago

          So no one has written or expressed concern about Neto. I offered for you to prove me wrong, yet all you do is prove me right! There is no one else out there saying Neto should be moved off of SS other than you.

          You can cast insults all you want stat nerd. I do not care about name calling. It means absolutely nothing to me.

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      • AngelsFan1972

        1 month ago

        @Rexhudler Stat nerds calling out Neto are just trying to stir things up. The Angels need to work on other areas of weakness right now. Moving Neto off SS to another position just opens another hole, and a much more costly hole at that. Then you’d have to factor that moving him might affect his hitting. Mookie Betts is a great example of that. Neto is the Angels SS for several more years, build around him.

        Right now I feel the Angels have bought into the multi-position players a little too much, yes it is great to have a few, but every year the Angels seem to have much more than the rest of the league. Next year sign a “Chris Taylor” type player to be everyones backup, but you don’t need Taylor, Rengifo, Newman, Anderson, Kingery, that to me is overkill.

        And yes Halo11. Neto is a stud!

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        • Halo11Fan

          1 month ago

          So, people who use data are stat nerds?

          Would it be an insult if I said people who ignore data are arrogant ignoramuses?

          Is it’s ok to insult people you disagree with? Is it OK if they insult you back?

          I’m a stat nerds, you’re an arrogant ignoramus. Good, glad that’s settled.

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        • AngelsFan1972

          1 month ago

          Not sure where anyone was insulting you.

          The use of the word or phrase stat nerd, is merely description of how you choose to gather your opinions. The use of the word “nerd” has evolved, maybe you should take heed and evolve along with it, rather than resort to your bullying ways and calling people names.

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        • Halo11Fan

          1 month ago

          You think stat nerd is a compliment?

          Funny, if data didn’t support my point of view, I’d rethink my position. You obviously wouldn’t. A

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        • AngelsFan1972

          1 month ago

          I have collected baseball cards for decades, my family calls me a baseball card nerd all of the time. I am fine with it.

          Your point of view is an opinion, THAT IS ALL, just an opinion. You cannot say with 100% certainty he will be better, or that the Angels would be better if he is moved.

          Based off what is going on with the Angels, right now, moving him off of SS should be their last priority. In my opinion,

          Funny….hmmmmmmm.

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        • AngelsFan1972

          1 month ago

          lastly,

          I have supported the use of “stat nerd”. I’d like to hear you support your use of an arrogant ignoramus

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        • Halo11Fan

          1 month ago

          Sure. You are so arrogant that you will stand by your opinion regardless of the data. You either ignore the data or are unaware of the data. And to ignore the data is ignorant. Arrogant Ignoramus.

          I’m not so arrogant that I think my unsupported opinion is has more valid than an opinion supported by data.

          And since I watch every game, I’m far from just stats, And I’m far from a nerd. It’s a derogatory comment.

          And when Rada is promoted next year, I hope to God they move Adell off CF, regardless of how well he’s hitting. He’s not a good CF.

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        • AngelsFan1972

          1 month ago

          Well you arrogant nerd….

          Bottom line is you need to accept the fact that you are just another fan. Just like the rest of us.

          Just because you tout how and where you gather your information, it does not mean other people aren’t allowed to think otherwise.

          I support my opinion that moving him NOW should be the least of the Angels concerns, something you conveniently seem to keep dropping off of your rebottles. I have stated repeatedly that same thing, Moving him now only creates more holes.

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        • Rexhudler86

          1 month ago

          @angelsfans1972. Maybe we can get volpe from the Yankees he has 5 better range than neto according to nerdcast. I forgot the part the Yankees might demote him because of his defensive issues, but all hail the range rating.

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        • AngelsFan1972

          1 month ago

          @rexhudler I was going to use Volpe as an example! You cannot play a game of baseball based off of an excel spreadsheet.

          I would take Neto over Volpe !

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        • Rexhudler86

          1 month ago

          @angelsfan1972. Its supposed to be used as a benchmark not the gospel. His rebutall is the defense sucks, and it does, but it’s mostly because of injuries/random waiver wire guys and the biggest culprit rengifo.

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        • AngelsFan1972

          1 month ago

          @rexhudler I run several sales offices, and one of my policies is if you want to complain about a procedure, you better have a solution that makes it better, otherwise it just a waste of my time.

          The same principle applies here. I hear complaints and when asked what’s the solution, it is countered with another complaint.

          Moving Neto creates more issues than it solves. ergo….a waste of time.

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        • Rexhudler86

          1 month ago

          @angelsfan1972. He just likes to argue points that weren’t discussed for a good reason. If anything he’s pointed out statcast is flawed and proving his point is invalid. I do agree the infield defense is flawed, but its definitely not neto. Perry must’ve given him a wedgie in high school, because that’s all he looks for is to criticize him even if its some obscure stat. His picks aren’t great, but he’s doing better than the other gm’s. Plus they fire him arte will hire his pool guy.

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        • Halo11Fan

          1 month ago

          Why do people like talking about me and not to me? It’s a weasel move.

          Everything has flaws, but statcast measures just about everything. Where a player is positioned, how fast a ball is hit, how fast it gets to a certain point, how far the fielder travels, how quickly the fielder gets rid of the ball and how long it takes to get to the destination.

          Fans eyeball it and often confuse flash with efficiency. It the difference between you measuring with your eyes vs a tape measure.

          Last year we could have drafted the number one prospect in baseball. Why didn’t we? Maybe it’s because the brass already thought we had a shortstop. Maybe it’s because our brass thinks band-aides work. Both are stupid reasons.

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        • Rexhudler86

          1 month ago

          @halo11fan. Not really being a weasel. Were all three tagged together in this conversation. I didn’t just jump in this.

          Was pointing out flaws volpe has better range. I wouldn’t hang your hat on it. If that information was flawless the mlb draft wouldn’t be one of the worse on evaluating. Its meant to be used as a baseline and remember players can develop. Just saying moving neto is a stupid argument and it is. You dont like perry its fine we get it, and you complain about everything.

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        • Halo11Fan

          1 month ago

          I’m pretty good at providing my own opinion, and people seldom present it accurately. I’d rather they just go to the source.

          Volpe is not a highly rated shortstop. Out of the 26 shortstops that have 500 IP, fangraphs him at 19. Neto 24th.

          Question for you, how do you know an umpire has missed a call. Technology.

          Here a man, standing right behind home plate, he has the best view in the house, he’s an expert at what he does, and one of the best in the world at what he does.

          You can ump a better game sitting at home. Technology is better than your eyes.

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        • AngelsFan1972

          1 month ago

          Halo11Fan. OK I will play along.
          Since you seem to have a strong dislike with Neto playing short for the Angels.
          Should the Angels follow your advice, who would you out at shortstop, and what position would you move Neto to?

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        • Halo11Fan

          1 month ago

          I don’t have a strong dislike for Neto playing shortstop, but it’s a symptom of what is wrong with this team. He’s playing out of position.

          We don’t think about tomorrow. We are constantly trying to band-aide issues.

          We need to start thinking about tomorrow. This team is a mess from top to bottom. I can’t believe who we drafted in this draft.

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        • AngelsFan1972

          1 month ago

          Are you for real?

          You argue about how he needs to move off short, and you have nothing further to add other than move him?

          You might as well say I don’t want Bobby Witt Jr to play at short, because I don’t like the fact that he is a JR and no Jr’s should ever play shortstop.

          You argued so passionately about Neto is not the answer at short, but yet you have no answer other than you think he should not be there.

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  22. raulito23

    2 months ago

    Deben cambiar a Soler, Jansen, Rengifo, Moncada,Anderson y Trout.

    Deben quitar de la receptoría a O’Hoppe y ponerlo de DH y otra posición.

    Adquirir lanzadores.

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  23. bronyaur1

    2 months ago

    They should sell.

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  24. Captain K-Mid

    2 months ago

    I think they will just put everyone on waivers instead of trading them

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    • kellin

      2 months ago

      Only if it’s required to put them back under the luxury tax line.

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  25. Sorinotsori

    2 months ago

    Honestly what is their “window”? I don’t even know. It’s kinda sorta now? Now-ish?

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  26. freddiemeetgibby

    2 months ago

    The angels GM looks like that Costco kid grown up

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  27. So many crybaby Mets fans

    2 months ago

    I always wondered what happened to this franchise. In the early 2000’s, they were the team to beat in the West and often talked more about than the Dodgers

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  28. AngelsFan1972

    2 months ago

    I’ve felt since day one this season, if the Angels finish at or above .500 ball, the season is a success. That being said, if they can fleece someone like the Red Sox like they did last year, sure why not.

    But…..realistically they do not have anyone of any real value, other than their core young group, that they can get much value back. I do not believe they should trade anyone less than 28 years of age this time around. Trade expiring contracts to desperate clubs, and build the team for more wins next year.

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    • So many crybaby Mets fans

      1 month ago

      The Red Sox fleeced themselves in that trade. If you’re looking for a reliever at the deadline, it needs to be high quality. He never was.

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  29. jabronieramone

    2 months ago

    No.
    Because Moreno is an idiot.

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  30. MrJimi

    2 months ago

    You have to have something that somebody else wants in order to sell. Saddy, they do not.

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    • AngelsFan1972

      2 months ago

      MrJimi
      You say that but look what they got for Garcia last year. The trade deadline brings out some desperate teams!

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  31. leftykoufax

    2 months ago

    Sell what?

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  32. Unhappy Halo Hopeful

    2 months ago

    Sell, sell, sell then sell some more!! Please!!!

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  33. pstef123

    2 months ago

    They should but they won’t. Another year another missed opportunity. They should have traded Rengifo last year when he had some value.

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  34. Halo11Fan

    1 month ago

    Now four games under… sell.

    Man I wish we had a real GM.

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