The Yankees have shown interest in Pirates right-hander Mitch Keller, reports Noah Hiles of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. They’re one of several clubs in the running for the 29-year-old righty, who’s signed for three additional years beyond the current season. Both the Mets and Cubs have been tied to Keller in recent weeks. Hiles adds that the Cubs currently view Keller more of a backup option in their rotation search, while the Mets are “very” interested.
Interest in Keller is only natural for the Yankees, who’ll be prominent players in the starting pitching market over the next two weeks. GM Brian Cashman acknowledged as much recently when indicating that pitching will be his top priority this summer. New York lost Gerrit Cole to Tommy John surgery before the season even began. Clarke Schmidt met the same fate earlier this month. Reigning AL Rookie of the Year Luis Gil still hasn’t pitched this season due to a lat strain. Lefty Ryan Yarbrough has also been out nearly a month due to an oblique strain.
At the moment, the Yankees have Max Fried, Carlos Rodon, Marcus Stroman and rookies Will Warren and Cam Schlittler in the rotation. The hope is that Gil, who’s already on a minor league rehab assignment, can strengthen that group soon. In theory, Yarbrough shouldn’t be far behind, but he’s yet to begin a rehab stint. That assumes no setbacks and a return to pre-injury form though — neither of which is a guarantee.
Keller has started 20 games for Pittsburgh and boasts a 3.48 ERA. He’s punched out 18.7% of his opponents and turned in a career-low 5.5% walk rate. Keller has been on a particularly strong run of late, pitching into the sixth inning or later in 13 consecutive starts and compiling a 3.04 ERA over 80 innings in that time. Ten of those appearances have been quality starts. Dating back to 2022, Keller is tied for the seventh-most starts (112) and tenth-most innings (650 1/3) in all of Major League Baseball.
Bringing Keller into the fold would make sense both to help this season and to provide some future stability. Stroman is a free agent at season’s end. Neither Warren nor Schlittler has cemented himself as a long-term rotation cog yet. Cole’s rehab will probably extend beyond Opening Day next year. Schmidt, given the timing of his surgery, won’t make it back to the mound until at least late next year — possibly not until 2027.
Keller would add durability to that group and create the possibility of a very strong midseason rotation next year. Health for all parties can’t necessarily be assumed, but there’d be a real chance that by June or so, the Yankees could deploy a rotation including Cole, Fried, Rodon, Keller and Gil, with Warren and Schlittler as the sixth and seventh arms on the depth chart. That sort of depth would rank among the best in baseball.
There are other factors to consider. Keller is midway through the second season of a five-year, $77MM contract. He’s being paid $15MM in 2025 and will earn salaries of $16.5MM, $18MM and $20MM over the next three seasons. That’s fine value for a mid-rotation arm of Keller’s caliber — particularly if you believe there’s still a bit of untapped upside in the former second-round pick and top prospect — but the Yankees would be on the hook for a good bit more than that due to their luxury tax status.
As of this writing, Keller has about $5.89MM of this year’s salary yet to be paid out. Add that to his future salaries and he’s still owed about $60.39MM over the next three-plus seasons. The Yankees would be taxed at a 110% clip on the roughly $17.8MM annual value of that remainder — assuming they remain in the top tier of luxury penalization moving forward, which seems like a good bet.
RosterResource projects the Yankees with about $187MM of luxury obligations in 2026, and that’s before factoring in arbitration raises for Jazz Chisholm Jr., Anthony Volpe, Fernando Cruz, Schmidt and Gil. Keller would add another $17.8MM to that number, and the Yankees will be in the market for help at third base, center field and in the bullpen this winter (depending on their trade deadline activity, of course). Each of Cody Bellinger, Trent Grisham, Devin Williams and Luke Weaver is a free agent in a few months. Even if the Yankees were able to drop down into only the third tier of penalization, they’d still pay a 90% tax on Keller’s remaining annual value.
If the Pirates do move Keller, they’ll presumably be most motivated by MLB-ready position players. Pittsburgh is deep in intriguing young arms (and just added another, Seth Hernandez, with the sixth overall pick in the 2025 draft) but hasn’t had much success in terms of developing young hitters. That’s not to say they’d have no interest in further stockpiling young pitching, but their aim over the next couple weeks is surely to add at least a few young hitters of note to help bolster a stagnant offense that ranks last in the majors in runs scored, home runs and slugging percentage.
Keller and Hayes for Dominquez and Spencer Jones
If you mean The Martian, no way. That kid is gonna be great
one of the red sox or yankees will bite on keller
whoever wants to give up real value instead of canaan, yajure, contreras, etc
keller is healthy and the best starting pitcher available
Ok if you say so.
Joe Ryan is the best SP available.
Depends. Will the Nationals and Twins cash in on Gore and Ryan.
I don’t think the Red Sox will go in on Keller. The Yankees may but I don’t know if they have the prospect capital though if Cashman is FINALLY felling pressure to win they could do it.
Why would the nationals trade gore he’s still so young and could become an ace
Bingo. I don’t know Keller’s metrics, but I worry about him in the AL East.
Phillies are going to die soon, Mets probably will compete for a while but lindor and Alonso are getting old, braves are in shambles right now
That’s not an excuse for the nationals to say they will never compete and intentionally lose for 5 more years
ManInThePlanet: Ryan isn’t necessarily available. The Twins don’t have to trade him.
He is not available.
In Keller’s 20 starts this year, 14 are considered quality starts
sad tormented neglected mariners fan:
Alonso is 30 and Lindor is 31. I wouldn’t exactly classify them as geriatric.
Please list the trades that worked out where a team traded away a young controllable starter and received 3 great assets. For every one that works there’s 10 that didn’t even net a big leaguers let alone 3. Nationals aren’t trading gore.
Gore has had injury after injury on his pitching arm. The Nationals would be dumb to hold onto him. They should most definitely sell high. Oh and the Pablo Lopez trade immediately comes to mind
You trade a stud for 3 and hope to hit on one. Teams don’t just trade a player because they are expecting studs in return. They trade them so they don’t have to pay them when they are losing. Some teams have great talent evaluators and some can’t seem to be able to buy a clue. The White Sox appear to have done well with the Cease trade except for the headliner but they got Cease as a throw in from the Cubs when they traded Quintana for Jimenez. They hit on Cease while Jimenez a top 5 prospect didn’t do much. That’s baseball man. The only fans that should complain about their team trading away stars are A’s fans. 😂 They seem to get burned every time since the Donaldson debacle.
GreatLiberator: Unless, of course, Dominguez is overhyped and overvalued because it’s the Yankees.
It’s happened countless times before.
Clint Frazier
No comparison to Frazier. Dominguez is only 22 and improving weekly. He’s gonna be really good.
In that case then just keep him then.
His fielding leaves a lot to be desired. I’m laughing at those who argued Boston shouldn’t have signed Bello and Rafaela long term They look like studs moving forward.
YanksPhan42: What’s he proven other than that he can hit .251 playing home games in the bandbox of Yankee Stadium?
Do you watch baseball other than the Yankees and that homer Michael Kay?
Whatever would still rather have Gallen on a bad year tough guy.
YanksPhan42: So you played pro ball.
Well whoopee-dam-doo for you. That doesn’t mean you know more about anything than anyone else.
Everyone’s entitled to act stupid once in a while, but you’re really abusing the privilege.
Keller is so emblematic of the ordinary veterans Ca$hman loves to trade for.
If you played pro ball mlbtr would love to have a chat with you. You wouldn’t be in here with your old man get off my lawn career era to evaluate players lol.
Also when you make your next user name don’t put phan in it. If you played for the Yankees or even in their system you would consider yourself a Yankee not a phan. But no one is going to believe you anyways liar. But at least make a better effort.
Baron- You, and many others, say that but independent scouts and evaluators don’t give prospects extra points for being drafted by the Yankees. Yankee fans, short for fanatic, over value and overhype prospects, but we live in the era of analytics and advanced scouting. The prospect grades on Dominguez are what they are. They have not been overblown to satisfy Yankee fanatics.
LOL Based on what? I can’t believe how many Yankees fans are in an Egyptian river about Dominguez. Jasson’s peaked physically as he is already musclebound and can’t add much to that tiny fame of his. He’s terrible defensively and has no power. And people need to stop calling him “Martian”, That name was given to him when he was signed at 16yo and had the expectations of a CF 30/30 guy. As they say in NYC “fugeddabougit:” The scary part is that some would rather keep him over Jones. SMH
Bright Side, I agree. I’m not even sure I would target him if I were another team, and I certainly wouldn’t give up a cost controlled # 3 starter for him.
The Pirates are under no pressure to deal Keller, and ought hold onto him if they can’t get true value.
@Bright Side
He’s on pace for basically a 15/30 season, has a 90th percentile hard hit rate, 63rd percentile avg exit velo, and 75th% percentile bat speed. His 150-game pace HR rate in the minors was 20.
I agree that he’s not exactly what was hyped from a few years ago, but he’s on pace for around a 15/30 season as a 22 year old and clearly isn’t a guy that “has no power.”
His xHR rate is higher than NYY in 20 other parks too, so he’s not some Yankees short porch merchant (feel like a 445 ft HR should also give credence to that).
Most Yanks fans I’ve spoken with would be happy to move Jasson for a comparable arm given his defensive liabilities and Spencer Jones knocking on the door. They probably feel that way even more now since Jones seems to have made *enough* improvements on his K-rate to survive MLB pitching. I think he’s probably going to only hit like .230 in a good year, but if it comes with a 30/30 type season, they’ll probably take that.
Either way, Jasson has at least shown he can handle MLB pitching as a 22 year old. Jones hasn’t proven anything because he’s had to spend so much time figuring out his k issues in AA for 3 years. By no means should anyone assume he’s a lock to be a stud.
mostlytoasty don’t count me among those fans. Dominguez is looking better and better the more reps he gets in the bigs. Jones has improved enough to hopefully sell high on him. And his strikeouts are still to high for major league pitching.
Ca$hman is trying to flip Dominguez for a 3rd baseman, preferably someone past his prime and overpriced like Arenado.
Agreed. And who wants Hayes? Plus, he’s signed through 2029.
Hayes probably has negative value at this point and the pirates would love offloading him
Also that’s way too much the Yankees are giving up
No way…the Yankees give up Jones and Dominquez for Keller and a kid who can’t hit….
how many games have you lost because of poor fielding at third base?
Keller, a guy who’s mlb career ERA is closer to 5 than it is to 3.5. he’s having an OK year and that’s supposed to generate two of a franchises’ top prospects? How about no thank you and let someone else overpay for Keller. If he was so good they wouldn’t be trying to break up the infamous Skenes-Keller 1-2 punch. I’ll pass.
No one is taking the awful Hayes contract. He can’t hit and his back is injured. If he played in the NHL he’d be a buyout candidate just to dump him. Keller to Mets for Sproat and a low level guy more likely.
Sproat
Gilbert
Lower level SS prospect
Or:
Vientos
Gilbert
lower level SS prospect
Yankees can get IKF and Heaney then since they aren’t willing to trade 2 weak defensive outfielders with awful swing and miss for a #2 starter and gold glove 3b both with years left on cheap contracts.
Boston Chicago LA have much better players to trade and they won’t be looking at completely worthless stats like career era!
I’m sure the Yankees would much rather trade with Arizona then Pittsburg anyway. Basically buyer-beware.
Yeah you actually played pro ball? Lol. Sure, on your Xbox.
YanksPhan42: “Total idiot take”
Spoken by an obviously total idiot! 🤣
YanksPhan42: You better run along now. Your village called and you’re due back for your next idiot shift.
But if I threw a stick, you’d leave anyway, right?
So you are lying and bragging about being in non MLB pro ball. Even more pathetic.
You’re old and miserable. I will probably be as well. But instead of lying to us how about try being part of community and have a good time. Do like everyone else and create a new name and try again. You could just apologize but that would be a first.
Insane bad for the yanks
Out of your mind….
Lol absolutely not. The yanks don’t need to be taking Hayes off Pittsburgh’s hands under any circumstances but Pitt would have to take less for Keller to do that. And no way are both martian and jones gonna be dealt for Keller on his own.
Keep Martin and Jones. Pirates couldn’t fix their awful swing and miss so they are worthless to them. Pirates need to trade Keller for good players. They will gladly trade no power bad back Hayes to Yankees though for someone other than those 2.
I’m glad you’re not my GM. Jones has the highest celling and should be considered untouchable. The Yankees should offer Riggio and Dominguez and that’s assuming the Pirates say ‘no’.
Lol OK buddy. Dominguez has been coming on strong with the bat at the mlb level as the season has gone on. Jones has been on a tear in aaa but has ongoing concerns about swing and miss in his game and has not had any mlb exposure yet. Dominguez has plenty of ceiling left and is a strong here and now mlb contributor on a contending team. He’s the untouchable one. Tbc I don’t particularly want the yanks to trade either for mitch keller.
I have watched a ton of Jones’s game in HV and now in Scranton. I’d trade riggio, maybe even along with an expiring contract for Keller, jones should be and probably is untouchable. I bet they’d trade Lombard jr before jones which I’d be ok with…
Lol guy using career era saying others no zero about baseball lol
It’s an interesting debate….
Dominguez has better plate discipline and is a better all-around hitter (from the left side). He’s an average defender in left, give or take, and he’s good on the bases (and fast). Very high ceiling.
Jones is a better defender, also fast, and has more power. But his swing and miss hurt his offensive value. He could end up being a Judge-type of player at his max talent, or a Gallo-type of player.
In my opinion (which is worthless), Dominguez is the better option to protect. But, it’s only because I don’t trust the Yankees evaluation of talent and I abhor the thought of another Gallo.
Well excuse me for differing with the Yankee “voice of reason” but it the Yankees are going to deal from their major league roster, be it Dominguez or Volpe, its got to be for a better player than Keller……he doesn’t move the needle significantly and he’s never been in a playoff race……I think the Yankees will need to deal from their current roster, but either of those guys straight up for a much better player is the debate……Jones doesn’t seem to be a Gallo type player but how knows…..at this juncture, it he’s included in a trade its got to be a 2 for 2 if Volpe or Dominguez are the headliners and its got to be a BIG return for the yankees…….
Rocky, I’m not sure if that was a response to me, but if it was, I don’t think we disagree, honestly. I was responding, in part, to which player is going to end up the better talent. I personally am more comfortable with Dominguez than Jones as a long-term option for the Yankees.
As for trading from the ML roster, I definitely would NOT trade Dominguez, unless it’s for something outstanding. Dominguez for Keller is too high a price for the Yankees future to pay, imho. We need the Dominguez types as a long-term investment, especially since the Yanks miss so often on prospects, imho.
Yankees fans don’t worry about losing can’t defend can’t hit a baseball Martian Jones. They aren’t going anywhere.
Boston is willing to trade real prospects, why they have Crochet.
LA will just defer a large pile of $ so what do they need prospects for?
SD will not be denied if they want someone.
NY is a last resort to trade with. Keller doesn’t have to be traded. You guys keep Frazier Andujar I mean Martian Jones.
We will. You can keep the fifth starter that Mitch Keller would be on a real MLB roster.
AI GM those ESL classes aren’t paying off for you.
Pirates probably will keep him. He’s on a bargain contract for multiple years and loves Pittsburgh. This is just click bait something to talk about. Cherington listens on everything. He may trade him but doesn’t need to. 5th starter though lol. And just so you know the terms 5th 3rd starter ace etc aren’t determined by what team you are one. It goes by talent and innings. So a team could have 2 aces 4 3rd starters etc.
What is the list of MLB teams on which Keller would be the #5 starter?
Good on you for self-awareness in recognizing that in yourself. Admitting you’re a moron is the first of the 12 steps.
I said a championship team. No championship team will feature Mitch Keller as their #2 or #3.
Are you on drugs dude?!!! That’s a stupid trade proposal!!!
The Yankees hang up if they ask for either of those guys. You might get a grip of good prospects from the Yankees if you have a realistic ask.
LMAO thanks for the laugh
No!! The Yankees need a pure rental. A solid #3 workhorse rental won’t cost anywhere near what Keller would. They have Schmidt and Gil plus 2 top 100 prospects. They don’t need 3 years from a starter. Only half a season.
Pirates will be looking for ML ready hitters,especially those with power.
Keller is a good pitcher and the Pirates need to get someone who will help their anemic offense.
Vientos
He has no position on the Mets.
No defensive value
Out of options.
He bats 4th for Pittsburgh if they get him.
The Mets aren’t trading Vientos.
Vientos should be the odd man out based on the reasons I described above. You can’t get something for nothing.
With the current ownership group the Pirates only real hope for post season success is to try and get a “wave” of quality minor league talent to hit the majors in a 3-4 year timespan and support it with some trades and cheap signings.
Cubs – Back up to who ? Aww the great cubs front office minds who can’t seem to draft all that well especially past the 1st round hints why they are in the situation they are in
Ha, leading their division and possessing the highest run differential in all of MLB?
“ Yankees gonna get some Small Market team’s best player for a Bag of Chips, Flavor to be Named Later …… “
Contrary to opinion, Small market teams don’t exist to simply be Farm systems for LA, NY, Boston, Philly, CHI, etc.
People say this all the time but the lack of effort from those teams tells a different story
Queue up the silly posts that suggest Cleveland should trade Jose Ramirez..
They would not be in this mess if they had not given away JP Sears for obviously damaged goods
That was such a pathetic trade
Keller is a great match for the Yanks, he is my first choice. It would take Jones/Lombard, Peraza and Cruz to get him, or maybe IKF and Keller for Volpe, Vivas, and Pereira
What the hell are you smoking with that comment….
Whatever he is smoking I definitely need some.
Trade deadline is funny. Keller is a fifth starter on a championship team.
You need to stop. Keller would slot in at 3 for the Yankees and you know it.
short list of Pirates SPs who got better after they were traded away:
Cole
Musgrove
Baz
Glasnow
Name the championship team.
I don’t know that. Will Warren is the Yankees current #3. Luis Gil would slot in ahead of Keller when he is back. He is a moderate upgrade to Marcus Stroman.
This dude don’t know Baseball
He can pitch past the 5th inning, has made more starts in the past month than Stroman has made all year AND he can reach stuff on the top shelf at Walmart.
I think the Pirates will want a good, controllable position player AND pitching, honestly. I could see something like Schlittler or Hampton, with possibly Jones or Roc Riggio as the main return.
To clarify, I don’t necessarily think that’s indicative of Keller’s value in a value-based case study; rather, I think it’s going to take that because competition for scarce quality SPs will drive up Pitt’s asking price.
I wouldn’t do that trade for nothing. Keller is a moderate upgrade to Marcus Stroman.
Lark, I’m fairly certain Cashman won’t either, brother.
Stroman wouldn’t make the pirates roster dude.
Sure he would. They’re too cheap to cut him and pay his salary while he plays elsewhere.
Another pitcher Cashman will trade for and will turn into a pumpkin
My biggest concern with Keller is the mileage. Almost all pitchers break eventually. There’s a very good chance you’re going to be paying him to rehab for roughly half of his remaining contract. If you’re the Pirates, that’s not so bad because you’ve already gotten great value from him. For an acquiring team, that’s pretty steep.
What mileage? Keller wasn’t a full-time SP until he was 25 and he’s 29 now.
“Dating back to 2022, Keller is tied for the seventh-most starts (112) and tenth-most innings (650 1/3) in all of Major League Baseball.”
-per the article
The idea of mileage is overblown. A guy is good at not getting hurt and we interpret that to mean he’s more likely to get hurt. I’m not saying someone can’t wear down but it doesn’t mean you will just because you haven’t yet. Even if the injury comes it doesn’t mean it’s verification that it was “due”. A lot of times teams overuse their “horses”. A guy will be good at staying healthy so they start letting him pitch 200 innings every year. Some people are just good at keeping their arm/body healthy. But even they may have a time where they are not quite right and get hurt.
Your mistake was reading the article.
The Yankees horse, Cole, had TJ this year!
Your logic used to be true, and certainly can be true or should be true today, that a durable pitcher should not be due for an injury. However, in this day and age, not too many stay near the top of the IP/yr for as long as Keller has and continue at that pace. I think the comment that started this was trying to point out, buyer beware, money increases every year. Sure, he still is an assett, but I would not give up any Dominguez or Lombard or Jones. If lesser prospects like Pereirra don’t getit done, and another team offers Pitt something they value more, that’s fine.
I’m about done with Volpe.
In fairness I would imagine with a lot of pitchers that have stayed healthy for 5 years or so that they are about as likely to have an injury as the average pitcher. I don’t think it’s necessarily a red flag but it isn’t necessarily a great indicator either. There will be guys that don’t really get any major arm injuries though (or only one).
No need to be concerned Don. It’s actually a plus for me. All that work and he hasn’t broke. They baby all these arms and they still break left and right. Don’t think it matters. Keller has body mechanics. So did Cole Verlander. So he might break but it might be a while.
You should do some prop bets on stuff like this.
Yankees farm has nothing worth it. Keller is on a great contract. Package Bednar and Keller and see if Philly bites for Justin Crawford.
You are sadly mistaken….they have 3 players…Jones, Shittl, Lombard….maybe more that teams would like to acquire….put your Yankee hatred in your back pocket when it comes to commenting…..
They ALWAYS have ‘guys’. They almost never work out. They wanted the world for Volpe at one point too. Frazier. Refsnyder. The list goes on. No hatred for the Yankees, just I understand their consistently overblow farm system.
The Yankees don’t evaluate their prospects for other teams. Each team has their own scouts and does their own evaluations. Also, independent outside scouts will also grade Yankee prospects for you if you would like to look. The Yankees had Luis Gil as ROY last year, and will Warren just might be this year’s ROY. Don’t let hate cloud facts.
I heard on Joel Sherman’s podcast (FWIW) that the only prospect likely off-limits in any trade would be Lombard. Every one else fair game. (The way Volpe is looking, they will need Lombard to take over SS sometime next season.)
And Volpe was supposed be better than Dominguez. Lombard isn’t exactly setting the world on fire, and has a puncher’s chance of joining the Clint Frazier Club.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b:
Very convenient since Lombard is probably the only top 100 prospect in the Yankees system.
Lombard doesn’t look really for the majors any time soon!
Lombard isn’t having a good year with the bat!
Its not who they have in their farm system. It comes down to who they are willing to trade from that farm system. Take out the “untouchables”, and that farm system is not as attractive in trade talks.
This guy would win 18 games a season with NY.
This guy would win 18 games a career with NY.
Yeh….he hasn’t exactly lit it up in his career in Pitt other than being a durable starter….let’s not put this guy in the HOF as far as trade value…..he’s a 4 starter which the Yankees could use but please with the ridiculous trade value already……..
Is he an ace no but u call people ridiculous then u call him a 4 an want to give up nothing for him which makes everything u say stupid after that Keller is a good 3 solid 2 on yankees an pitchers like him cost not crazy but good returns
Obviously you and your Pitt buddy who gave you a second thumbs up need to drink a bit more beer….if anybody;s stupid…look in the mirror…….jackass.
Oh look. A keyboard warrior. Sad.
Stroman for Keller. Too much?
Sounds perfect to me!!!!!!
Throw in the remainder of DJ’s contract and you got a deal.
People will say the Yanks don’t have enough to trade for Keller and a relief pitcher. That’s what Brewers and Marlins fans said before the trades, but now they are happy with the players they received form the Yanks.
Good point to counter some of the comments above. Agustin Ramirez plus others for Jazz and Caleb Durbin to help the package for D. Williams.
Just a side note: Baltimore got 4 draft picks before the Yankees selected their first.
Yankees do develop players, but yes, they are not as deep as other farms because they draft low and also use talent to trade for vets every year because they think they have a chance to win every year, which is not always the case and becomes a mistake long term. The Yanks will never do a full reset, rebuild, but I would like to see them hold on to good young talent (Jones, Schlittler, Warren) that is affordable and attempt to not be penalized as harshly as they have been recently.
Yankees should just focus on BP help and Suarez, Keep Schlittler if you can, I would prefer rolling the dice with him over Keller if i were a Yankees fan.
Sellers market. Keller doesn’t HAVE to be moved. Cubs, Sox, Mets, Yanks all interested. It would be painful to give up a haul, but prospects are just prospects. It’s gonna cost to get him. Only way it won’t is if they try and unload Hayes with him. And even then, Hayes is a GG defender at 3B.
Exactly sw! Fans always insanely over value their teams prospects. Guilty of doing it myself.
That’s what Zack Scott says about the PCA trade in 2021.
How about Navarez and Durbin?
With the luxury tax, the Yankees would pay a 110% tax on Keller’s $17.8 mill. salary. He would end up costing $37.4 mill. a year. That is Skubal money for a solid #3-#4 starter!
It’s a lot of money, but the Yankees need more relief help. Although a starter would go a long way. Hal might have to bite the bullet if he wants a shot at a championship.
Don’t they only have to pay the 110% on what is remaining for this year? The fee would be lower for 2025.. Now next year….
He is owed 8 million this year, so it would cost the Yanks 9 million, not a deal breaker.
At the deadline he will be owed $5.1 million this year. The fine would be 110% of that, so he would cost the Yankees about $10.7 million this season. As you said, not a deal breaker.
He is owed $55.7 million more from 2026-2028. Its pretty much a given that the Yankees are not going to be cutting payroll, so basically double that. Is Keller a $30+ million AAV starter?
Has a pulse and throws a ball?
Yanks have interest.
Keller and Hayes for Pereira, Peraza, and Spencer Jones. It’s Pittsburgh wants Dominez, then let’s talk Skenes.
lol talk dominguez for skenes. My favorite comment today, thanks.
Yankees fans probably going to be very disappointed with the Martian.
LOL!
Pereira and Peraza are together worth exactly nothing. Neither has shown any ability to hit ML pitching. Hayes is better defensively than Peraza and can at least hit a little bit. If Pereira brought any value he’d have made the ML roster by now.
Hayes couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat….come on man……
Breaking!!! Every team near .500 interested in everybody not on the IL.
This is a hot take! Have you told mother?
Are you new to this site?
You missed the point, and the joke.
No. You did
🙄
So tell me, then.
Lol
Pass.
Dominguez and Jones will be the next Judge and Bellinger.
Next Andujar Frazier
The Yankees can’t get a deal done for Keller without a 3rd team in the mix. Even the guys they consider elite prospects aren’t especially good – Dominguez and Jones – and the rest of their farm system is pretty meh. Keller is not getting moved to anyone who cannot offer an MLB-ready player, a good one at that, which is something the Yankees simply do not have.
The Pirates already have Jones on their roster, his name is Jack Suwinski. Dominguez is young and may yet figure it out, but what’s been said about him in terms of potential, he sure isn’t showing it WITH all kinds of lineup protection, let alone on a team like the Pirates.
If the Pirates aren’t looking to land DeLauter from Cleveland or Caissie from the Cubs for a Keller package, they may as well not trade him at this point. (As a side note, I doubt Cleveland has much interest in Keller or moving DeLauter.)
Nothing in the Yankees’ piggy bank comes close to Caissie as a headliner in a Keller deal, let alone a package with Hayes. The Yankees will be aggressive at the deadline, to be sure. By while they have lots of money, nearly every other contender has better players/prospects to send back for the top pieces in the market.
I think you are going to be very disappointed in the return if Keller is traded. He is owed $55.7 million after this season and has been a very mediocre pitcher.
The demand is much higher than the supply. The Pirates have no urgency to move Keller now. If the return isn’t considered somewhere between an overpay and an absolute fleecing, Ben Cherington should be fired the next day.
The contract only slightly diminishes his trade value, he’s not being grossly overpaid. There are 43 pitchers who make more money than he does, he’s younger than most of them. If he stays healthy, which he has done a good job of over his career, he’s going to provide value on par with his contract.
A trade with the Cubs should net Caissie at all costs (even if it requires adding more to the deal) as the trade is in the division. It’s not that the Yankees, Padres or Mets couldn’t provide fair value for Keller, they don’t have anything much to overpay with. My guess is that Keller stays.
The Pirates always have urgency to cut payroll. Keller is one of their expensive assets. They won’t be keeping him, and they will want prospects back, because they get paid less.
There’s no urgency to cut payroll right now. If there was, Keller, Hayes and Reynolds would have been gone by now for pennies on the dollar. Flipping rentals (Pham, Frazier, Ferguson and IKF) for low-level prospects will take care of that.
The urgency on payroll will come when the team has more around Skenes in terms of offense and the young arms are ready. And the team would take MLB players if they were being offered, teams looking for rentals typically don’t trade off an established player, and teams with change-of-scenery guys (Jake McCarthy) typically don’t want rentals.
This is standard operating for teams who don’t have the GDP of a small country for their TV deal. (The Pirates make less on their TV deal than the Yankees are paying Gerrit Cole this season.) About 22 teams operate in this fashion, the others devote a large amount of time and energy into try to bury the economic truths of the sport.
Pundit- I do have one small quibble.
You are presuming that Nutting will pay to put better offensive players in support of Skenes.
That could be a very big reach.
I make no presumptions about the Pirates’ spending, other than spending more than around $130 million on MLB payroll for a season or two is completely unsustainable if nothing changes for them. The realities of the Pittsburgh market are fairly grim in terms of growth potential. As fans we chafe at this, but the Pirates were wise to invest in some tangible assets at the expense of player salaries during seasons when it’s clear they’re not competitive.
If the Pirates overcommit to payroll in the future, the team can use its real estate holdings as collateral instead of team equity. The value of those investments will provide revenue streams year-round, totally independent of the team’s performance. It makes it easier to commit to player salaries when year-to-year income is less of a moving target.
In this case, the supply is not worth nearly as much as some people, like you apparently, think. Keller has pitched like a back of the rotation starter the past 3 seasons. He will start making TOR money the next 3 seasons. The Pirates will get very little in return for him unless they are eating some of the $55.7 million he is owed for the next 3 seasons. Do you think Nutting will pay some serious money to get top prospects in return? I don’t.
You obviously don;’t watch a lot of baseball…..Dominguez is a switch hitting center fielder playing out of position with speed and power….and he’s hitting mid .260’s so your observation is of a blind man…..Jones….may or may not be an Aaron Judge type of hitter…only time will tell but to denigrate both Joes and The Martian is just plain stupid……..If in fact Dominguez was in play it would be a 1 for 1 trade…….and you folks in Pittsburgh would be lucky to get him a league minimum as compared to the ridiculous contract you gave Keller……
Watched thousands of games at every level, coach it, study it and learn new things about it just about every day.
Dominguez is at a crossroads. He could become what’s been said about him, he could be what is right now – a 1.3 career WAR player who’s done most of that this season. I’m struggling to understand your suggestion that a center fielder playing an easier outfield position is causing him to struggle defensively. He is striking out at an alarming rate, despite hitting .260, while he’s also walking less. His BABIP is slightly unsustainable at .358.
There are things to like about Dominguez: he’s still young and some of his struggles are likely caused by his relative immaturity. He’s playing on the biggest stage in baseball with the weight of somewhat unfair expectations on him; he might thrive in a more relaxed environment. His mental makeup will determine whether he becomes any more than what he is now. I’m not optimistic about his future (at least to the point of being an above average player).
Jones – I’ve seen him hit against both good pitchers with a possible MLB future and organizational filler playing for Somerset in Altoona. Fastballs give him fits, and that is not a good sign, because they only get better in the majors. He’s had a little bit of a run since being promoted to AAA but hasn’t shaken the Ks. If you shorten his swing, you’re limiting his best tool (power). It almost seems inevitable that he’s going to be an AAAA player – one who frustrates because of the power potential and the uncanny ability snuff out an inning with inopportune whiffs at hittable fastballs.
As for Keller’s contract being ridiculous – how’s Marcus Stroman working out for the Yanks? He’s making more than Keller AND he’s got a player option to make about the same next year, so that he can pitch 6 games before the All-Star break next season too. Keller is 2 bad starts from a sub 3.00 ERA. The Yankees will have paid over $30 million to Stroman for…wait for it…0.4 WAR across 2 seasons. His contract was signed after a 1.2 WAR season at age 32.
And they’re paying Rodon $10 million more per year than Keller and have gotten less production over that time than Keller has provided. AND the Yankees still owe Gerrit Cole over $100 million for his age 35, 36 and 37 seasons. I’ll be surprised if they wring one season where he’s worth $36 million, let alone all three.
And you’re ripping Keller’s contract?
Pundit-There you go again using common sense and logic and factual thoroughness in an argument.
Shame on you.
Cubs won’t trade Caissie for Keller!
Keller will get the Pirates a return of a couple of 2nd tier prospects unless the Pirates are willing to eat some of his contract.
Long and Nealy? Possibly Birdsell?
The top wild cards are Gore, Ryan and Alcantra. Those guys have high ceilings or in Ryan’s case a good track record.
The other question are Springs, Severino, Peralta, Efflin, Lugo, Bubic and Nick Martinez more desirable for a better price .
With the Pirates ownership I can see them moving him for some decent prospects if the other team takes on the Hayes contract.
Unfortunately, that may well be true. It would be very Nutting to use the deadline to offload a costly contract or two (costly in the Pirates economy) by attaching players to trades for prospects. So Keller and Hayes for much less than Keller is worth is sadly likely.
The Pirates have an actual valuable chip in Keller, and Bednar, and better not screw it up. While it would be nice to keep a strong rotation, it probably makes more sense to trade Keller for two guys near mlb ready. Overpay or no deal.
I also wonder if the Yanks would want Dennis Santana back? Who’s been lights out his entire time in Pittsburgh.
Jones and hess for Keller and Bednar
@RichardJarzynka
Jays don’t have the prospect talent to get him. Spoken as a Jays fan.
Which Keller would the Yankees get? The back of the rotation starter he has been the last 2 seasons? Or the middle of the rotation starter he has been the last 2 months?
Just realized that Keller is owed $61 million for the the balance of 2025 and the next 3 seasons after that. Pretty expensive for a guy that has had an ERA about league average the last 3 seasons.
Please Yankees! Sign him and throw him an extension! He would do fine in a large stadium,but in Yankee softball field !
Homer-made fly ball fly ball pitcher!
Oh, yeah! That’s what we need, more deep fly ball , hard contact guys! KC dumped him!
@Dad: You’re thinking of Brad Keller, former KC pitcher. Mitch Keller is the Pirates #2 starter (by default due to Jared Jones injury.)
Dad is thinking of Helen Keller.
Dad loves to yell
Didn’t play for KC wrong pitcher! Don’t post if you don’t know what your talking about!! Yankees going to play to play! Maybe a larger deal!?
Hard to imagine Yankees taking on Keller’s payroll + 110%. That makes him a $35M burden in ’26. But I’m all in for Ben Rice. And maybe some cash going back to Yankees for this season. Or a draft pick. They like Rice, Pirates love Keller, but a win-win trade.
Na not enough! Deal may be larger,Pirates have good younger pitching to move!?
Looking ahead to next season, Keller is the kind of pitcher the Orioles need. Start by offering Mayo and Kjerstad and go from there. I think the Bucs and O’s could help each other out.
@steve: Reasonable— especially your last sentence.
Like that idea!
I was thinking the same. Pirates see it worked for Marlins with Os. Then they still have Bednar to shop. Os can still shop the relievers and Ohearn this season
@1979: W/the exception of Comp picks, draft picks can’t be traded in baseball. The idea of Nutting giving the ok for cash to be sent in a deal is funny.
If $$ made Hayes go away, I could see the Nut making an exception.
Not sure the Yankees could offer the top package.
YanksPhan42 – “He’s not Skenes” Well done Captain Obvious, no one in baseball is Skenes….”97 ERA+ in his career” Good job in understanding stats and not taking them out of context….He’s got an average ERA+ of 108 over the last 4 years, meaning he’s improved since his first 2 years in the league, you should stop posting until you can contribute something meaningful
Any deal will result in savings for Nutting’s pocket. You can count on that.
I don’t count on that. The luxury tax situation doesn’t dictate it this season, but if the Phillies offered Justin Crawford, a low-A prospect and Max Kepler for Caleb Ferguson (to free up luxury tax space), that deal gets done tomorrow because the money is already budgeted for this season and nets them a much bigger return than Ferguson would normally fetch.
The Pirates haven’t made a salary dump trade in nearly a decade (Francisco Liriano in 2016). One year deals to build value to turn into prospects is not attempting to save money, it is essentially buying prospects from other teams’ systems. An example of recent success with that would be Jose Quintana. Trading guys toward the end of arbitration is about getting a return for someone you’re never going to be able to afford. Those trades are akin to trading in your old car while you can still get something for it to buy a new one. At the end of the day, you still have a car payment, but you have a newer model.
Wouldn’t trade Keller if I’m the Pirates. It’s much easier to find good hitting than to find good pitching.
Keller is a solid starter, a #2 or #3 on most teams. Record is bad but could easily be 10-3 instead of 3-10 if the Bucs could score. A lot of quality starts & 1.96 ERA in last 6 starts & under control. Bucs need an MLB hitter to start any deal ! I would talk to Boston(Abreu) first
Take 2 aspirin and go to bed if you think he’s a #2 or #3….he’s a 4-5 at best giving innings with an ugly ERA. or multiple seasons……
That’s laughable. Watch Keller pitch and put away the stats readouts.
Keller is below average in strike outs, about average in BB, and has a 4.01 ERA since 2022. He is the poster boy for a #4 starter. He has 2 months in the last 4 seasons when he had a lower ERA than that. On a healthy Padres squad he slots in at #5 behind King, Cease, Pivetta, and Darvish. For any contending team, the only teams that may trade for him, he slots in at #4 or #5.
Thanks for the good laugh.
Thanks for admitting you have no clue about baseball.
I forgot more about the sport than you’ll ever learn, smart guy. Just another “fan” who wants to get some help for the stretch run by dumping deadwood on the Pirates with self indulgent “logic”. Run along, clown
The problem is that you are so old you forgot everything you thought you knew about the sport while baseball moved on and technology taught us things you never even learned. Go on back to your rocking chair.
Of course Ca$hman would prefer an ordinary veteran — oh, I forgot, “Proven Pro” — to promising arms already in the organization, such as Cam Schlitter.
And that FIP and WAR is based on performing on a last place team going nowhere………in the fishbowl known as the AL East…..this guys a #4-5 and only fools will overpay for his service…..
@rocky7
FIP and WAR don’t have variables for team position and what division they play in.
Id rather have a pitcher with more wins, I get that he is on some bad teams but Keller would be my 5th starter on the yankees. Also I’d want more. Through in Hayes and 1 of Santana or Bernard. For this the pirates could have vivas or peraza Spencer Jones or Dominguez for the yankees taking all of Hayes contract they should take stroman and I would include 2 other prospects like Clayton beeter and maybe Thatcher hurd
I understand that, but his record should be a reverse of what it is. He’d be an immediate upgrade to the Yankees staff and certainly not a number 5
And by all means, take Hayes. What a bust he’s been. But not for Stroman. One thing the Pirates don’t need is pitching
Stroman is a much worse bust than Hayes any day of the week.
Dominguez is the only young player that they have that would be desirable from a Pirates standpoint.
The Yankees are #25 in system organization prospects for a reason.
Yanks want to move on from stroman if the yankees take 2-3 pitchers and take the whole salary of Hayes for 1 year of stroman it’s sort of a wash. Not saying Pitts wants him but yankees should try to include him
I hope the Yankees call up Keller from AAAA.
Ally McBeal, pepperoni pizza, Ashton Kutcher…nice
Lol 🍕
Baty, Clifford, acuna
Throw Reynolds in it and I’ll throw in sproat and take on all the money.
Looking at the Pirates roster, trading Keller would be the 2nd dumbest trade idea I could think of (Skenes obviously the 1st). (1) Teams in contention aren’t trading GOOD established MLB hitters at this point. (2) Trading for prospects is hit or miss (mostly miss) — just look at the top prospects list from 4, 5, 6 years ago and the very low percentage that actually turned into top MLB players. This will also likely apply to the Pirates minor league pitching prospects. (3) The most important player on the field in any given game is the Starting Pitcher (this applies from Little League all the way up to MLB, and in fastpitch softball). (4) Trading expiring contracts when not in contention is fine. Trading bullpen arms when you don’t have enough leads to protect is OK.. And yes, trading prospects for GOOD MLB players is OK as long as you are getting good players (again, look at the prospect hit rate), and salaries do come into play. (5) I’d be looking at the possible return for Oneil Cruz. Would have to be at least one good MLB hitter to step right into their lineup + more to possibly fill other positional lineup needs. From the Yankees, that would be Dominguez + more (not sure what the more would be-but it couldn’t be the former top prospects that have failed at the MLB level). Cruz is arb eligible for 2026, Dominguez not until 2028 (a factor for Pirates). Cruz in front of Judge would be awesome for the Yanks. The Pirates just need more MLB quality hitters to lengthen their lineup.
Ok so good job you basically said that bubba chandler (Keller replacement in rotation) will become a failure and you want the pirates to keep Keller until he leaves in free agency for nothing even though they won’t make the playoffs for the foreseeable future
(1) Didn’t say Chandler would become a failure. Expect him to be good. Sometimes top prospects do turn out as expected, but quite often they don’t. It’s not a guarantee (and the same principles would apply to any prospects received for Keller). Despite the talk of the Pirates starting pitching strength, the reality is they have 2 good starting pitchers (Skenes, Keller). Even if Chandler could replace Keller, they would still only have 2 good starting pitchers if Keller is traded. Where would the rest come from?
(2) Keep Keller until he leaves in free agency? That’s not until 2029. If keeping Keller for 1, 2, or 3 more years gives them a better chance to compete in 26, 27. and 28, they should choose that option. If the trade return gives them a better chance to compete in 26, 27, and 28, they should choose that option. But, giving up on 26, 27, and 28 should not be a chosen option.
I understand many of your ideas and they make a great deal of sense. Problem is, the Pirates rebuild was a train wreck. Other than pitchers and Griffin, the farm offers no hope
And the big league club plays with no passion. They dog it night after night. Last night’s game was nauseating to say the least. Packed house for Fireworks Night and basically, that’s all fans got
What the franchise needs is a complete house cleaning. Get young, hungry people who wish to make a name for themselves in the front office. Then re-do the player development department with the sane types.
Then burn it all down.
No one here should be untouchable. Skenes is a generational talent. Keller is a good arm who’ll help a contender. I get all that. But this team is not a player or two away from even being a .500 team
The worst thing I can say about a team is that they dog it and don’t care. That’s the Pirates now. And if that’s the case, why hold onto anyone?
honeliah-What many posters on here do not realize is that they do not need to trade Keller,he is a much better pitcher than almost all fans from other teams realize,and that some teams need a dependable #3 starter sooner rather than later in order to compete this year for a WS championship.
What all of that means is they have to overpay for him.
The Pirates need outfielders who can hit and hit with power
Heaney and Falter are not dependable anymore and Burrowes is a reliever.
Perhaps both Chandler and Barco will be up soon as and we will see what they can do.
I think that the Pirates will have to trade from their strength but if Cherington is the one to do it he will have to make sure that he is getting young strength for middle age strength for once.
Old Timer-You watch the Pirates more than me so take this with a grain of salt but I have not seen them dogging it after Kelly took over.
I think though that what I sense is more of the inevitability of continually losing and the chronic lack of hitters and offensive power that has been going on under Cherington.
This would try even Job’s patience.
These guys are not stupid.I think that Shelton still being here got them down and after some respite after he was fired this last losing streak has sapped them.
They are professionals,yes.But they are human beings first and foremost and good competitors to get as far as all of them have.
Losing begets losing and this is one of the main reasons.
Think about how losing so many one run games does to your confidence.
See how adversely this has affected the fans,but put yourself in the players’ places.
Nobody likes to lose.
Mendoza, today’s article by Mackey in the PG confirmed what I saw last night. And in fact, Mackey has hit upon this theme a few times recently
As a player, I played on many losing teams. Nothing near professional of course, but playing the games was enough for inspiration where myself and teammates were concerned
As a coach and manager, I had a few teams that were .500 and perhaps one or two that just lacked talent and lost consistently. In this regard, I get your point
But in those situations, it’s incumbent upon managers, coaches and leaders of the team to find positives, to inspire, to draw out passion.
You may be right about everything you note here and quite possibly, being exposed to Shelton and losing has bred a kind of PTSD in some players here, but at the pro and even collegiate level, that only spreads like a cancer in the clubhouse.
Nobody like to lose and yeah, I’ve been in the players’ shoes. Still, as a pro you need to remember the fans deserve more. Being casual, aloof or ok with losing can’t be part of the job description
The Pirates aren’t looking for an established MLB hitter. Yes, its what they need, but its not what they are looking for. Established hitters cost more, and have less control. They want cheap, near ready players, with a full six years of control.
“In other baseball news, Yankees believe they can acquire Paul Skenes, Junior Caminero, and Mason Miller as part of a four-team trade in which they give up only Spencer Jones.”
Yankees minor leagues are horrible
Instead of listing the teams, they just should have said “the usual suspects”.
@YanksPhan42
Us sixty-somethings use it too.
@YanksPhan42
For pitchers or hitters it’s one stat that calculates the value a player contributes. You wanna talk ridiculous stats look at batting average or my personal favourite RBI’s. Now that’s a really dumb stat… For pitching, anything per nine is dumb, ERA alone is pretty bad too.
This just in, the Yankees are interest in having another subpar postseason and further wasting Aaron Judges prime.
tick tock tick tock tick tock
Assuming Domínguez is ‘untouchable’
To get started:
Spencer Jones
Bryce Cunningham
And someone like Flores or Perez
Bryce would be the centerpiece coming back hes got some real upside based on the tiny bit i’ve seen, Spencer’s contact rate is shaky but has been doing much better this year (from a glance at the stats). And getting a potential 1b prospect in flores or perez. Also shorter estimated callups that could work well with the current Skenes timeline should any of the perform.
Keller, having the best season of his career. with reasonably cheap, especially if he finds his ceiling going to NY getting out of the pirates system. Plus over three years of control. at worst you got a 4/5 type guy, at best you got a 2/3 guy.
It’s not the worst idea. Cubs offer:
Any of Owen Caissie, Kevin Alcantara, James Triantos
Drew Gray (LHP, ranked 27 in the Cubs’ top 30)
An A-ball lotto ticket
Which deal do you take? Personally, as much as I’d hate the idea of Keller being on the Cubs, I take the latter, based on what I’ve seen of recent Yankees’ “untouchables” (Volpe, Dominguez) in terms of development versus what the Cubs have done recently with PCA and the now-traded Cam Smith in Houston.
Your proposal, hopefully, is the worst case scenario for any Keller trade.
@PiratesPUndit:
I’d like Cassie too, maybe Rojas. If you can get one of them… Both seem like better options than Spencer Jones. Find arm that is projected to be a competent pen arm as the floor and a crapshoot far out prospect and i think you got a serious conversation.
But… its the cubs… I’d only trade keller to the cubs if I didn’t plan on trying the next few years.
Yanks, IF you want Keller then you got give up something pretty good to get him. Since it appears that we think Dominguez isn’t available, they don’t have anything else of any value to give up. Even this value is fairly low for as much control as Keller has.
The Yankees do have value in their farm system, just not the kind of stuff that matches up to what the Pirates need. The Pirates probably reasonably have two more seasons of Skenes, maybe three, and need to put together a mix of talented cheaper players to have a shot during that window. Trading Keller is an opportunity to get that done. If the Pirates already had their own version of PCA performing like PCA right now, it might change their asking price. As it is now, Reynolds is slowing down, their best bat in the minors is still at least a season and a half away with no guarantee of success and very few of the young guys are showing signs of growing into consistent hitters. The Yankees can just throw money at their issues, the Pirates cannot.
The Yankees’ problems at the deadline are only going to get worse: they draft toward the bottom and are in the payroll tax range to have next year’s pick moved back 10 spots. Unless they start seriously restocking their system, they’ll be sidelined by other teams having better stuff to offer, which is clearly the case in terms of what the Pirates are looking for.
The Yankees traded Brito, King, and Vazquez for Soto and then turned around and still had the ROY in Gil in their farm system. This year’s ROY, Will Warren, then came out of that same system that has no talent/value in it. What a bunch of haters. If Keller is so valuable, then why is his team so terrible? They can trade him to the Mets.
Larkraxm: Agreed about the Mets for sure, they have more quality options that fit the Pirates needs in their prospect pool.
Team is terrible is because they have no offense. even if the collective offense was twice as good as now they’d still be last in the NLCentral and bottom third overall.
In 20 of Keller’s starts, 14 are considered quality starts.
Keller, like every other Pirate starter doesn’t get enough run support for their records to be better
Never trade a Burrito except for a Chimichanga
Well then why don’t you just go away?
Phan-The problem is that Pirate fans on here are just plain stupid,and you are quite intelligent as judging by your posts.
Although every team overvalues their players,some team’s fans do it more than others,especially with regard to rookies or high minor league players.
Keller took several years to mature into a good pitcher so his early data is not representative of the current player.
I would have thought that as smart as you are that you would have known that.
He does tend to go downhill the second half of the season but you being so knowledgeable of the players on other teams you of course knew that already.
The results of 2025 to date show a pitcher that any team,including this great Yankee team,would be happy to have as at least a decent #3 starter.
But you being a baseball expert you of course knew that.
The Yankees do not really have anybody that the Pirates would want unless Cherington who may be a Steinbrenner plant makes another stupid trade with the Yankees.
You must have had some natural athletic ability if someone paid you to play and that definitely gives you an advantage in weighing trade possibilities from other teams.
Typical arrogant reply in the last paragraph.
Here’s a hint- It is not too bright to lump everyone in a set together as stupid.It makes you look like a know it all on all subjects just because you had physical ability to play a sport.
The Pirates do not have to trade Keller.The Yankees are the team that needs pitching and would have inquired about him.They may very well have a better alternative but teams know that they need someone and will have to pay a premium for their pitcher.
If the Yankees want to win this year for the second time this century then they will overpay for a decent #3.They can just buy more people next year even with that tax that would have to be paid.
I generally like the Yankees until I remember their fanbase is made up of guys like Phan. And he uses the word “arrogant”. Is he joking
It’s nice to have deep pockets that will guarantee contention for a championship each year. Congrats. But writing drivel that amounts to the idea that perennial weak sisters like the Pirates should essentially hand over whatever talent they have to big market teams and take their deadwood in return is hilarious
To me, the Pirates most recent rebuild is a train wreck and everyone from the GM to the guys who run pierogi races should all be gone. Burn it all down and start again from scratch
But have a GM that demands that if a contender wants what little talent is here they pay for it with guys who can turn this franchise around
Want to thank Phan for making me a Blue Jays fan
You can’t tell me Bauer for the minimum isn’t a better addition?
Yes please…..
The last I saw, Bauer is performing poorly in Japan.
Iirc, I read recently in the comment section here that Bauer was just released by his Japanese team.
No expert in foreign leagues but seems like he was ‘demoted’ to their equivalent of MiLB.
Guess he is one of the worst pitchers this year over there.
Dominguez basically by him self for Keller by himself.. Is fairly tough to swallow. Keller and Hayes… eh.. depends on how you value Hayes, that could go either way. From the Yankees point of view I’d say no way. From my point of view.. hell ya 😀 Hayes’s defense is pretty great but his bat, well its the worst on of the pirates regulars on a horrible offensive team…. Might actually make the deal worse for the Yankees.
Of course motivation might play a role. If the trade market for pitchers dry up and NYY have a huge hole for a run.. maybe they consider it a bit more.
Ian Hamilton? After the All Star break? Seriously?
Boone said in the presser that they wanted to give Warren an extra day of rest.
hope the mets get keller. trade that midget acuna, gilbert, and some AA-AAA SP that hasn’t lived up to things. get keller and reynolds.
mets might even take hayes (although i don’t like him) in order to get keller and maybe even reynolds as well. can’t rule out baty or vientos going to pitt as well
Love your thinking. Get Keller, maybe Hayes and Reynolds, too, and dump your never-did-develop types here. Yeah, why not? They’d be right at home.
Old Timer-Trade proposals on this site are for entertainment purposes only!
I have never seen a good one at thinking outside of the box and do not expect to see any either.
How about Don Kelly for a better manager
Just what the ChiSox needed, a nice little trip to Pittsburgh to get untracked
Burn it all down, Bob.
It’s embarrassing that the Bucs will be swept by the worst team in baseball after this weekend
And unless they come back from a 6 run deficit,,they will have lost 11 of their last 12 games
I read in today’s Trib that Nutting said he is disappointed with this team this year
Says alot about his knowledge of baseball
I think we all are. I didn’t expect taking the division, but I did expect something remotely close to .500.
I predicted 70-72 wins. This is my 3rd straight season of being in the ballpark, as others somehow pointed to being “in contention”
Yes. I’m proud of myself
I heard a lot of boos coming from the packed stadium.
Good for the fans.
They should have gotten their money back.
I expected them to be bad the first couple years but this is pitiful.
It is on Kelly as these pitchers did not pitch in a week.
They had been playing well at home but awful on the road.
These are bad times for the Pirates.
Again, Mendoza, the lack of talent is one thing and it’s glaring. The lack of passion, immediacy another.
I’ve said it to you a hundred times that I’d take a .500 team that leaves it all out there on the field game in and game out. A team that is fundamentally sound with a manager who consistently puts pressure on the opponent’s defense.
Maybe I’ll amend that to a 75 win team
WashedUp, they haven’t had fire in the belly for years. Maybe they could hire AJ Burnett to manage. Miss his fire.
Agreed, Skeptical
Please make no mistake about my observations. I am not saying they need to be rah-rah types every time out but jeez, show some fire
I don’t know if I’ve ever seen individual players so ok with strikeouts or pop flies, or a team so ok with losing.
The Pirates are just plodding along as if they are playing/praying for the end of the season.. Time to stop playing guys who will not be here next year. Call up the question marks in AAA and give them a long look.. No one start every three or four games, treat them like a regular. If they don’t cut it, time to move on. Given how bad the Pirates are and given the number of questionable prospects the Pirates have in the minors, it is the time for “tough love”, tough decisions about who to keep, who to get rid of and who need a change of scenery.
Yeah. Agreed. It seems we’ve been saying this for the past few years. Biggest problem is, their farm system has few answers
the trade of Priester last year to Boston is looking like it might be ranked as one of Cherington’s worst.
Yesterday he pitched 6 innings against the Dodgers; struck out 10 without giving up run.
what is the rationale behind playing Horowitz lead off?
Being ok with losing starts with the manager.
Kelly has not impressed me at all since taking over for Shelton.
Looking at who is available, does it matter? I am more bothered by giving ABs to Cutch and Reynolds at this point of the season. Use the ABs to evaluate all the prospects Cherington has traded for. Bring up Yorke, Bae, Cook, Williams, etc. and give them real playing time, not a start a week. See if they are worth keeping or not.
Also, like Cutch but I wouldn’t bring him back next year. Nostalgia is great but it is time to move on. Having said that, I do not expect a winning record next year so clear the roster and evaluate what talent you have in the minors.
Alika has repeatedly proven that he can’t hit major league pitching but I agree, bring up the rest of those players.
They can’t be any worse than what we have now
Getting swept by the White Sox is one thing. Getting embarrasssd by them, another
Let’s say it again: these guys play like they don’t care. Mendoza can talk all about what losing does to players. These are not kids. They’re supposed to be professionals. They get paid well to entertain.
The lack of fire here is outrageous
Skeptical is right. Bring up literally everyone who’s shown even the slightest ability. Trade the guys you can get some prospects for. DFA everyone else
The worst team I’ve seen since the Russell era.
Burn it all down, Bob. From top to bottom.
we’ve been saying this since Cherington was hired.
Minus the covid season, they have literally been horrible.
AJ Burnett really did have fire when he pitched for us and was a great leader in the clubhouse and dugout
I agree that it should be burned to the ground from top to bottom, but depending upon who replaces Cherington, the perpetual rebuild could take another five years for this team to be competitive.
If Cherington remains as the GM, his failure as someone who understands talent, it could be a number of years before they are actually competitive again
I agree with you and it’s all exacerbated by the fact that where position players are concerned, the cupboard is largely bare. It’s incumbent upon a GM to be able to determine young talent.
But TheMan3, let’s face it. If this franchise contends by 2030, it’s a small miracle
IMO. AJ and Martin were the catalysts a decade ago. Hire them on in some fashion may give the team a kick in the butt.. or be a waste of money lol
they will be lucky not to lose 100 games again this year
Joey Bart’s 2024 season now seems like a fluke
He struck out 3 times today, the last one on a pitch a foot bell the plate which went as a wild pitch
Cruz added 2 more to his season total after fanning 3 times last night
Scoring one run against a starter with an era of 5.50 highly suggests that not only does this team lack talent they lack passion to play well
Another double digit strikeout performance by the worst offensive team in baseball
Cherington must be proud of the team he put together
and Cruz does what he does best
strikes out looking to end the game
At least Cutch hit a double and scored on a ground out by Gonzalez to give us 2 runs
It’s worth repeating , it’s really an embarrassing time to be a Buc fan
Cutch is the only ball player they have unless like Greg Brown, exit velocities are your thing
There was someone here saying Cruz would fetch a nice group of prospects. I just don’t think opposing scouts are that stupid
Cruz (104) and Gonzales (109) are the only Pirates with a OPS+ above 100 this season. Cruz (1.3) has the second highest WAR amongst position players on the Pirates. I can take Cruz with his shortcomings this year as he is at least contributing positively. Reynolds is a different case. OPS+ 85, WAR -0.6. and he makes a lot more..
Notes Hayes has a positive WAR (0.9) despite having a terrible OPS+ (57). I’d trade Reynolds long before I’d trade Hayes.
I watch these guys game in and game out. I’m sure you probably do, too. I mean no disrespect in saying, I don’t care what the stats say.
Gonzales is a gamer. The kid works hard. I think there’s upside to him.
Cruz is another story. He reminds me a great deal of Gregory Polanco, except for the fact that Polanco worked hard in all areas of deficiency, but just couldn’t succeed. Someone replied to me that Cruz has made improvements this year. If that’s the case, he should never leave the ballpark and just keep working. He has miles to go
Hayes is a good glove. He was never a hitter and never will be a hitter. It would be great to see some semblance of fire from the kid but I guess that’s just not cool. Better to look unflappable. Here was a guy heralded as “the cornerstone of the franchise”. What a signing he’s been
Reynolds is the mystery here.
Hard for me to believe there is a market for anyone other than Skenes and Keller at this point, in terms of return.
Keller and Hayes for cash considerations.