The Phillies mostly ran things back over the offseason. They re-signed Kyle Schwarber and J.T. Realmuto. Their only notable external acquisitions were Adolis García, Brad Keller and Jonathan Bowlan. They let Ranger Suárez and Harrison Bader walk while parting ways with Matt Strahm and Nick Castellanos.
It’s apparent the front office wanted to leave opportunities for two of their most talented young players to break into what is otherwise one of the older core groups in MLB. The door is open for both Justin Crawford and Andrew Painter to head north out of Spring Training. The 22-year-old prospects will look to cement their spots in camp.
Crawford is coming off a fantastic Triple-A season. He hit .334/.411/.452 while stealing 46 bases (albeit with 11 times caught). He walked in nearly 12% of his trips to the plate against a lower than average 18% strikeout rate. The lefty hitter only connected on seven home runs because his swing is geared to hit almost everything on the ground. While that caps his power potential, there’s no need to mess with the mechanics of a player who has hit .322 with a .385 on-base percentage in his minor league career.
Prospect evaluators had varying opinions on Crawford earlier in his minor league days. He was a first-round pick (and the son of a four-time All-Star), so he has certainly had his share of acclaim, but the unconventional offensive approach gave some scouts pause. It has played at every minor league stop, raising the confidence level that Crawford can continue to hit against the highest level arms.
Crawford probably would have made his big league debut late last season if the Phillies hadn’t acquired Bader. He enters Spring Training as the favorite to start in center field on Opening Day, pushing Brandon Marsh to left field. The Phillies could shield him from left-handed pitching on occasion but are planning for him to be a regular. “If you’re going to give Crawford an opportunity, you’ve got to give it to him, and that’s where we are,” president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski said in December. “We’re going to give him an opportunity and have him play a lot.”
Philadelphia won’t officially make the decision until Opening Day. They’ve had Crawford as the starting center fielder alongside their other regulars in the first few Spring Training contests. He should win the job unless he suffers an injury during exhibition play. If he does or struggles badly enough in Spring Training that they reconsider that plan, they’d probably be looking at Johan Rojas and Marsh splitting center field work with a rotating group of corner bats in left.
Painter might have a little more work to do during camp. Zack Wheeler won’t be ready for the start of the season. That draws Painter into the fifth starter role behind Cristopher Sánchez, Jesús Luzardo, Aaron Nola and Taijuan Walker. There are a few starters lingering on the free agent market (e.g. Lucas Giolito, Zack Littell, Max Scherzer). It’s early enough in camp that those pitchers could be ready for Opening Day if they sign within the next week or so. The Phillies have monitored the market for rotation depth, so an addition that pushes Painter back to Triple-A Lehigh Valley doesn’t seem out of the question.
Philadelphia’s rotation beyond their projected top six arms (Wheeler included) is thin. If they lose anyone else before Wheeler returns from his thoracic outlet procedure, they’d probably be pressed into using a minor league signee like Bryse Wilson or Tucker Davidson. There’s an argument for signing a Littell type and having Painter be their first man up in the event of an injury.
The 6’7″ righty also hasn’t mastered Triple-A competition the way that Crawford did last year. Painter made 22 starts and tossed 106 2/3 innings but struggled to a 5.40 earned run average with Lehigh Valley. He struck out an above-average 23.4% of opponents while walking just under 10% of batters faced. The stuff was quite good — a 97 mph average fastball headlining a five-pitch mix — but he was more susceptible to the home run ball than the Phils probably anticipated. While he remains one of the most talented pitching prospects in the sport, his seeming fast track to the majors was halted by Tommy John surgery that wiped out 2023-24 and last season’s uneven return.
Crawford and Painter meet the criteria for the Prospect Promotion Incentive. If the Phillies carry them for a full service year, they could each earn the team an extra draft choice if they play well enough to factor into awards consideration. They’d be on track to hit free agency after the 2031 season if they break camp and perform well enough to remain in the majors permanently. Keeping either player in the minors for a couple weeks would delay that by a year unless they finish in the top two in Rookie of the Year balloting.
Will both players be on the roster when the Phillies welcome Texas to Citizens Bank Park on March 26?
Will Justin Crawford and Andrew Painter break camp?
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Both players are on the Opening Day roster. 53% (1,262)
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Crawford breaks camp; Painter starts in the minors. 33% (794)
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Both players begin the season in the minors. 9% (212)
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Painter breaks camp; Crawford starts in the minors. 6% (133)
Total votes: 2,401

Crawford will be the opening day CF.
Painter will depend on how ST goes.
I agree with you. Though I believe the… how ST goes for Painter will be determined on a couple of factors.
How well he pitches during ST.
If any other pitchers have some injury or setback during ST.
If he isn’t totally sharp – then back to AAA.
If he is sharp and the rest of the staff is too – then back to AAA.
If any one of the starters have a setback or struggles and he is doing better in ST – then he will be on the roster.
As another poster said, it could change daily for Painter.
Crawford is a lock to make the roster. Unless he extremely falters or gets hurt in ST.
The Phillies rotation is a huge question mark after Sanchez and luzardo. Painter is one of those.
I agree with you… a lot of questions with the starters.
I am also concerned with having Sánchez, Nola AND Walker pitching in the WBC. It might sharpen them earlier in the season. But I feel this could be bad for the team at the end of the season, and if they go deep into the playoffs. It’s a known fact pitchers wear down by season end. They’re having three starters adding more innings pitched to their season and if they go into the playoffs. Not good.
Pitchers 40 or more years ago, they could do it. But today’s pitchers, nah.
I have them both breaking camp but ask me tomorrow and my answer might be different re: Painter. It’d also probably be different the day after that.
Either way I’d love to see DD sign a Giolito or someone to push both Painter and Walker. I wouldn’t be upset to see that person be sp4 and Painter sp5 pushing Walker to the BP
Either way as per usual since he took over, I don’t feel like DD did nearly enough to address the pitching staff
I think a major acquisition depends on how confident they are that Wheeler will be back and elite by June.
Oh I have no hopes of it happening. I just as per usual am disappointed with our pitching going into the year.
215,
You’ve been annually disappointed with a front three of Wheeler, Sanchez, Suarez prior to this season? You set a high bar.
I’m sorry I didn’t realize pitching staffs stopped at 3-4 starting pitchers. Usually its the full rotation, 1-2 depth signings and a bullpen. I guess if it’s only the first 1-3 guys nobody should even worry about anything else.
I’m sorry, I didn’t realize I had to list every good pitcher. Here are a few others.
Jesus Luzardo
Aaron Nola (pre-2025)
Jhoan Duran
Orion Kerkering
Jose Alvarado
Matt Strahm
Jeff Hoffman
No team ever has “enough” pitching, but the Phillies have been in pretty good shape the last few seasons.
Lol you just dropped down to bottom 100 with that comment.
I think DD has salary restraints. At some point the Phillies need to develop young players and not have to depend on FA signings. I was 50/50 with them signing Bichette. He’s a great offensive player for sure but a man with no real position – at least none the Phillies need. If by 2027 Aiden Miller and Crawford are productive everyday players they will be in great shape. I know that’s a big if but they need it. Bohm has never developed into much and is probably in his last year. I have a l0t more confidence in Stott becoming a much better than average player as he does so many things well.
Painter used his injury to catch up and get his GED while finally getting his reading level to a high school level. Really respectable stuff and effort well spent. I’d love to see him break camp, but he needs some seasoning.
What?!?
Nachos reminding us why the Mute button exists.
Painter had control issues last season. He consistently fell behind hitters. That’s not something you want to try to figure out in the majors. He could probably use more time in AAA
Generally, with TJ control is the last thing to return. Painter will be fine long term.
I agree Painter will be fine long term. I’m just not sure he’s quite ready for the show right now
Crawford is probably all but certain to break camp as the everyday Center Fielder. Painter is less certain, if the Phillies add another starter (which is possible). I wouldn’t be surprised if they carried an extra reliever and did bullpen games every 5th day to start the season
Crawford is a lock just because the outfield is just that poor. Its not gonna be an easy year for the team and I suspect that CBP might not be a friendly place for the hyped rookie if he’s more Ben Revere than Shane Victorino so we’ll see how that goes…
As for Painter…well…he could get a nod just out of desperation but he hasn’t shown he belongs at this point. He really needs to be in Lehigh Valley again but the rotation is so thin out of the gate that they may throw him to the dogs.
This is gonna be a long year….or 10.
Wow, Citizens Bank Park a loss-filled hate-fest for the next decade. I’d better dump my season tickets now. Thanks for the heads up!
Expectations. This could end up being an 81 win team. No wild card. It could be a huge letdown if a repeat of the past few seasons are the benchmark.
Enjoy your season tickets and the happiness just being at the ballpark can bring….like 2012-2021.
Could you not see a hyped up Crawford go the way of a hyped up Dom Brown?
This team has 2012 feels…it got dark real fast when that window slammed shut…and it was a decade before it got unstuck.
I’ve been attending Phillies games since 1967, starting with my Dad at Connie Mack Stadium. I’ve seen the good and the not so good, but thank you for trying to shield me from impending disaster.
And while we’re at it, all you kids get off of my lawn!
You got a decade on me….I got my phillies addiction in the mid 70’s…inherited from my Grandmother. She was a fan from the 30’s til she passed in 1991. I was a lucky happy boy in 80 but I know her experience was way different than mine with all those bleak decades as a loyal fan of a bottom dweller. She would talk about the whiz kids and adored Whitey….then tell me about the 64 collapse as if to remind me that you can love them but they will let you down…lol….then 80 changed that..to a degree.
I guess its my gram’s fault that I keep my expectations guarded with the Phillies…lol…now I am an old Phillies carmudgeon passing it on to my kids…
Ben Revere offensive production would be a little disappointing but probably good enough. He had no power but didn’t strikeout much and had elite speed. What the team cannot afford is Crawford being another Johan Rojas.
Totally different skill sets. Crawford has excellent bat-to-ball ability, which Rojas unfortunately hasn’t. Rojas has excellent natural centerfield defense skills, while Crawford remains a defensive work-in-progress.
If Crawford can’t cut it, this already weak outfield is in deep trouble.
I hope Crawford makes the team…I think he starts the season in AAA.
We are looking at (instant out) Rojas CF and Marsh LF
GO SIGN Big Foot Giolito NOW!!!
It is baffling to me that not a single talent evaluator saw Andrew Painter get beat like a drum last year in AAA despite being neither healthy NOR good since 2022. Keith Law on The Athletic started a pissing contest with me because 2022 data is still relevant 4 YEARS later, I guess and he has a holier-than-thou attitude on the internet, the attitude that stopped him from ever becoming a PBO. He would be excellent at it, but everyone eventually discovers what an @$$ he is, so he never will be.
Anyway, I firmly believe Mick Abel will be the better pitcher this year. I will send a letter to Keith saying “I told you so” when I am right.
Speed is a depreciating asset without much need for refinement compared to hitting. If Crawford shows that he can get on base, the Phillies would be foolish to not use that asset to their maximum benefit.
Crawford and Painter will both be handed jobs regardless of how well they do in Spring Training, that is why the Phillies let Bader and Suarez go and brought back their other free agents.
Now I certainly wouldn’t hand Painter a rotation spot after he was terrible at Lehigh Valley, but their offseason is done and they only have five healthy SPs on the depth chart.