It’s been less than a week since the Giants fired Bob Melvin, ending his tenure with the organization after just two seasons even in spite of the team’s decision to preemptively exercise a 2026 club option on Melvin over the summer. It was a somewhat surprising decision given that context, and today Melvin spoke about his time in San Francisco, his dismissal, and his future plans with Shayna Rubin of the San Francisco Chronicle.
A Bay Area native who was born in Palo Alto and currently resides in Menlo Park, Melvin expressed gratitude for the opportunity to manage both the A’s while they were in Oakland and the Giants in San Francisco “in one lifetime,” calling the opportunity “more than I could even imagine.” Melvin had far more success in his time with the A’s, who he managed to pilot to a 823-764 record across 11 seasons that earned him six playoff appearances and two of his three Manager of the Year awards. By contrast, Melvin’s two seasons in San Francisco were generally disappointing as the club finished with an 80-82 record in 2024 before making only a token improvement to 81-81 in 2025, even after Buster Posey took over as president of baseball operations and brought in quality veterans like Justin Verlander, Willy Adames, and Rafael Devers.
That 2025 campaign is even more disappointing when one considers that the Giants were tied for the division lead in mid-June, shortly before the Devers trade. It would be easy to point to that second-half decline as the reason for Melvin’s dismissal, but Melvin told Rubin that he hadn’t received a concrete reason for his firing when he spoke to Posey about his decision the day of the announcement. Posey would later cite the club’s performance over the final months of the season as the reason for Melvin’s dismissal, but Melvin pushed back against that characterization. He correctly pointed out that Posey and the front office made the decision to sell off key pieces like Tyler Rogers and Camilo Doval at the deadline in July. In that context, the club’s 27-26 record over the final two months of the season actually looks relatively impressive.
Whatever the reason for Posey’s decision to go in another direction, Rubin suggests that Melvin hasn’t closed the door on continuing his managerial career. There’s a number of vacancies all around baseball (including attractive jobs in places like Atlanta and Baltimore), and a three-time Manager of the Year with 1678 wins under his belt seems certain to be an attractive potential candidate to any club hoping to find an experienced voice in the dugout. Another stateside gig may not be his preferred destination, however, as Melvin told Rubin that he’s “always wanted to manage in Japan.” Having managed Japanese superstars like Ichiro Suzuki and Yu Darvish during his career, Melvin went on to note that he “really enjoys the style of baseball they play” in Nippon Professional Baseball.
Expatriate managers in Japan aren’t especially common, but they aren’t completely unheard of with Bobby Valentine’s time managing the Chiba Lotte Marines standing out as perhaps the most notable example of an MLB manager finding work in an NPB dugout. Perhaps Melvin will follow in those footsteps, though he acknowledged to Rubin that it’s “tough to say for sure” what his plans are so soon after being dismissed by the Giants.
Giants were 41-31 before the Devers trade and went 40-50 after the trade. It could be argued that the Giants prematurely “sold” at the deadline trading away Yastrzemski, Rogers, and Doval, all moves made by Posey, not Melvin.
So you’re saying the Giants suffered from Premature Evaluation?
I think it has more to do with the brutal losing streaks the Giants had this year. Melvin is great if you want a manager that is calm and measured all the time. The Giants need someone with more energy and engagement.
No, the Giants don’t need a yappy manager, they need better players on the field. It’s about time a manager called out the front office after taking the fall for their decision making.
The Giants core is quite good in comparison to many teams, and the “loss” of Doval was no loss at all. Only losing Tyler Rogers can be considered noteworthy. But reality is that BoMel, while a nice guy, stuck with the same formula [Chapman batting 4th?! for instance] and showed no fire.
Melvin was not the reason the Giants played .500 ball—the players had a major hand in that too. But BoMel was also not the guy to lift them above .500.
As a Giants fan I wish him well, but it’s time to get the most out of this roster, as well as improving its weaker parts. In Buster I trust.
The Giants were 17th and below average in Runs scored, 26th in hits, 19th in HR, 17th in OPS+, and 26th in total bases, so the core isn’t “quite good” it’s below average in almost every offensive category. Colorado had more total bases, so, it’s time to face reality that the Giants have a highly flawed roster and that wasn’t on Melvin.
PoisonedPens, Core does not equal team. You can’t use team stats as a way to evaluate a team’s core. A core is something to build around, and is not reflected in overall team stats.
Willy Adames was 22nd in runs scored, one behind Mookie Betts, and one better that Trea Turner. He was tied for 30th in HRs, and 57th in TB. Maybe 57th doesn’t sound that good, but it was more than Dansby Swanson, Mookie Betts, Bryce Harper, Steven Kwan, Teoscar Hernandez, and Kyle Tucker, to name just a few.
Rafael Devers was 13th in HRs, 16th in OPS. 17th in OPS+, 18th in TB, and 39th in hits.
Heliot Ramos was 27th in hits.
You’re confusing the core with the overall team. There’s big difference between those two things. Those players, as well as Lee and Chapman, and their established pitching, are a solid core to build around. Just clueless.
I’m not confusing anything with anything. If you want to shrink the “core” designation to Adames and Devers and maybe throw in Chapman (whose value gets pumped by his fielding) that means you still have six positions with subpar offensive production, and the fact that all three of those players came in via free agency/trades is an indictment of the team’s development problems overall. Ramos’ numbers were quite pedestrian for a starting OF.. as indicated by his 1.2 WAR, Lee much the same with a 1.8. Remember 2.0 is an average starting MLB player. It’s unlikely the Giants are going to leapfrog over the Dodgers and Padres in terms of production and you look at the roster (excluding Eldridge who is still a work in progress) and it’s a whole lot of meh. The reality is they need 2-3 more thumpers in the lineup. Can they get them?
To your original point, whether you think the Giants have a core in which to build around, or not, your using overall team stats was completely useless in trying to make the point that they don’t.
You’re trying to dismiss Chapman as a a valuable part of the core. The last time I looked defense was still a valuable commodity. He had a 120 OPS+ last season which has nothing to do with his value as a top defender.
Lee was essentially in his rookie season, learning the pitchers, parks, and MLB overall. Despite that he was a elite contact hitter. His chase rate was in the top 16%, his whiff and K% were in the top 5%, and his squared up % was in the top 4%. Admittedly his range isn’t great, but he has one of the best arms at any OF position.
Patrick Bailey is one of the top defensive catchers in MLB. And if you understand baseball, the importance of a defensive catcher exceeds their value as a hitter by a large margin.
Devers, Adames (2nd in HRs among all SSs in MLB), Chapman, Lee, Bailey, as well as Webb, Ray, Roupp, and a number of promising young arms provide a solid core for Posey to build around.
You say it’s unlikely they can leapfrog SD, yet the Giants scored more runs, had more HRs, and had a higher OPS+ than the Padres. Being 19th in HRs is more about the park. Giants’ pitchers allowed the fewest HRs in MLB. And because of the park, they don’t need thumpers. They need more contact hitters like Lee.
I really don’t think that keeping the players the Giants moved at the deadline would have moved the needle much. We’ll never know for sure, but the moves made sense, and the Giants going limp in the middle of the season was team-wide and unrelated to Devers or his acquisition.
The Rogers trade was a steal by Posey. Yaztremski was not in their future plans and Doval stinks as by his performance in New York
The loss of Rogers was they only real minus. No way the trades of Harrison, Hicks, and Doval, among the pitchers and Yastrzemski, accounts for the losing streaks. The Rogers’ trade, and the injury to Rodriquez hurt, but they also got useful pieces by trading Rogers.
The Giants started the season 19-11 which is the best start in decades and could be in their history! They had a 14-4 run in August/September that amounted for 33 (40.7%) of their total wins for the season.
Devers had zero to do with the rest of the season!
The Giants hitting has been at the bottom of the league since 2022, thank God we won’t be seen fan favorite Pat Burrell back, they were bottom of the league in RISP before the AS Break when they finally started scoring runs. They have over 60 games where they scored 3 runs or less, they lost over 20 games where neither team scored more than 3 runs.
Yastrzemski sucked, going 3-43 and regular was 2 or 3 hits for 20+. Thank God he’s gone. Doval was not reliable, Rogers is the only one you could count on.
Even with all of that they missed the playoffs by 3 games. It’s ridiculous to suggest that Yastremski, Doval, and Rogers were the reason for not making the playoffs. At least that’s what I read into they prematurely sold. They got a lot better in those trades. They weren’t going to win the WS this year.
Now that they’ve fired Melvin and didn’t bring Buch, they won’t be going to the Playoffs next year either! They should have fired Melvin and hired a manager last off season if they were going to make this move now.
Trey Hillman managed in both Japan and in South Korea. Won a championship in both of those leagues as well…
Bab Meruvin
If you watched the Giants all summer you know why BoMel was fired.
Healthy Webb, Ray, Roupp and Verlander before they sold at the deadline.
Lots of blame to go around but Bob had to go.
B.S.
Bummer situation?
Bachelor of science?
For the record, I love Bob Melvin. Bay Area guy, grew up a Giant fan, played for them. I know he wanted to win but it didnt work out.
Crazy season couldn’t hit struggled offensively. Got devers didn’t help up to the deadline. Sold bullpen at the deadline , team got hot started hitting scoring runs fighting got back in the race but couldn’t make it because the bullpen . Guess they just didn’t like ya Bob.
Silly. Melvin went 0-0 when it came to hitting with runners in scoring position. His ERA was 0.00.
He wasn’t the one who did a poor job of situational hitting. and he didn’t blow numerous saves, as Walker did. Given the same level of performance by Giants hitters, the new manager won’t fare much better than Melvin.
It’s not silly at all. Stating that Melvin didn’t hit, or pitch, in any situation is what’s silly. Dave Roberts didn’t hit or pitch well for the Dodgers last season, nor any other manager, whether they won or not.
You want to blame the hitters, fine. So why didn’t they hit better? Didn’t Melvin pick the hitting coaches? Doesn’t he set the philosophy for the hitter’s approach at the plate? If not, then he should’ve been fired for negligence, because he should.
If the hitters were just bad, that would be one thing. But they weren’t, and then they were, then they weren’t, then they were again, up and down all season long. Totally inconsistent. Melvin deserved being fired.
Not silly. Melvin managed without aggressiveness. The Giants now have quite a lot of speed (Ramos, Lee, Koss, Gilbert, Chapman, Adames, McCray.) Why didn’t they steal bases? Why didn’t they bunt more? Why were pitchers left in too long and why were the same (faulty) uses of pitchers repeated over and over?
Tough to win when your lineup only has two hitters to fear (Devers and Adames). Ramos started off okay but was only so-so the rest of the way.
However, ever since the game was invented, if the team doesn’t win the go-to solution is to fire the manager.
If you don’t have the horses you don’t win, and Melvin didn’t have the horses.
Unlike the Phillies Rob Thomson, no genius IMHO, who has any number of horses on the pitching and hitting side and his team ends up with the second-best overall record in all of MLB.
Exactly. I know there are certain Reds fans who piled on Tito for the early playoff exit, but it was really the failure of the front office not getting him the horses he needed to succeed in the playoffs. That is also why they only won 83 games and barely made it in.
I’m sure the idol worshippers will disagree, but facts are facts and I will always be realistic.
So far not much Posey has done has worked out just sayin 😳
It’s almost as if he’s vastly inexperienced as front office manager. Who could have possibly guessed that hiring a fan favorite former player to run operations would lead to mixed outcomes?
He’s barely been in the job a year. Signing Adames and trading for Devers were foundational moves, giving the team a core that it previously lacked. Considering that the organization is short on top-end prospects (Eldridge, and then who?), he’s going to need a little time to build a winner via free agency and trades.
It’s been on the job only one year.
ptpheonix —
That’s clearly not true. Chapman, Adames, Devers and Verlander were solid additions. The core of this ballclub is solid.
Headcase Doval made the Giants worse. Yaz is a weak .230 hitter. Rogers was definitely a loss, but the return was substantial for a rental. The Giants had that post-Devers record mostly due to Chapman’s injury and the starting staff tiring or just plain stinking. The hitting was streaky. But BoMel couldn’t find a way to wake everyone up when they were slumping, mostly because he himself was always asleep. And at the time of the Devers trade Melvin suddenly decided to sit the team’s best RBI man in Flores. He also kept trotting out Ryan Walker to blow multiple games.
He needed to go.
I’d I were a manager candidate (which I take I am not since the phone didn’t ring), I think the Baltimore job is the most intriguing, although I wouldn’t throw stones at Atlanta either.
If you can’t find the sucker in 30 minutes then you’re the sucker – Rounders
Buster knows this.
Offense doesn’t score. Pitching is great. Trades pitching. Offense starts scoring. Pitching can’t hold games. Blame manager.
I think Buster just wants his guy in the role and that’s fine.
Hopefully nobody slides into buster. I can see the tears from here
He always looks like he would rather be anywhere but the dugout.
Melvin will go from the SF Giants to the Yomiuri Giants.
He was fired because SFG lost 15 out of 16 home games in the second half, and after each loss Bomel would say “I have no idea why.”
That and because he didnt have the balls to give Ramos a day off when he was in the middle of that stretch of bad defense and horrible base running. How do you get thrown out straying too far off second base on an infield fly rule and your manager does nothing?
Melvin was fired because of the team’s inconsistency. They’d look like world beaters one week and then like they couldn’t get out of their own way a week later.
From 6/1 to 6/13 they went 9 and 3. They averaged over 5 runs per game in the 9 wins. Starting the next day, 6/14 to 7/1 they went 4 and 12. In those 12 losses they averaged 3 runs per game, and scored 2 or fewer runs in 8 of them.
The day after that run, 7/2 to 7/11, they went 7 and 2, averaging almost 6 runs per game. They immediately followed that up, 7/12 through 7/30, with a 2 and 12 run. They averaged less than 2.5 runs per game in those 12 losses., They scored 3 or fewer runs in 9, and 2 or fewer runs in 7 of the losses.
I’ve long been critical of the Giants’ hitters approach at the plate. It appears the hitting coaches preach aggressiveness, and trying to hit HRs. IMO that’s not the best approach for Oracle. There’s nothing wrong with being aggressive, but that needs to be in the zone. The hitters are too anxious to swing at anything close. Sometimes that works, but a lot of time it doesn’t, as the up and down nature of their hitting implies.
Every team has ups and downs, but not to the extreme that characterizes the Giants. The choice of coaches was Melvin’s. The overall direction was also Melvin’s. I’m not sorry to see him go.
Good analysis on the misguided plate approach. I think that what the coaches were trying to do was curtail strikeouts. It was frustrating to see guys like Belt get the bat taken out of their hands whilst waiting for the perfect pitch. But the opposite of that is what you pointed out: that guys get too swing-happy, get down early in the count, and then hit into a GIDP or strikeout anyways.
That’s a good point about the called strikeouts. But it seemed like some hitters would swing at the first pitch a couple inches off the plate for strike one, then get caught looking on a pitch that was in the strike zone. I think it’s because they had guessed wrong. Which I think was another problem. The coaches seemed to favor the hitters guessing.
Plus the over-aggressiveness led to too many one-pitch outs, 7 pitch innings for the opposing pitcher, not working the count, and not making the pitcher work. I’m not against swinging at the first pitch, but I am when it’s the first pitch in the game, and not sure it’s good the first time through the lineup. I think it all comes down to a faulty approach coming from the coaches.
Can’t blame Posey for deciding to turn the page. Bob Melvin is a perfectly cromulent manager, a keep-the-ship-afloat captain, not the kind of guy who’s going to move the needle one way or the other. The Giants are probably going to trot out most of the same guys next season, so they need a driven, difference maker to give the players a shot in the arm and to get the most from them.
Buster isn’t accepting mediocrity. To me, he’s is making that very clear.No specific reason, just didn’t get it done. Sorry Bob. Gone. Throw in the trade deadline decision and the fed up tone of the presser on Melvin, and I’m thinking Buster is a hard arse type of Boss when it comes to the cost you pay for losing.
How would managing in Japan work when he doesn’t speak the language?
I understand that the managers job is to keep his team motivated to win but I’m so tired of the managers getting blamed for the team going on losing streaks. It’s to hold the players accountable for not doing their part on the field because the last time I checked the manager isn’t on the field every play.
Are you saying Melvin is blameless for the disappointing season? Tell me why he had Ramos batting leadoff the 2nd half of the season. Melvin put him in the leadoff position on 7/4, and Ramos responded with a .623 OPS that month. Yet Melvin kept him there.
Ramos had 291 ABs from 7/4 to the end of the season and he batted leadoff all but 14 times. Ramos was 7th on the team in OBP. Why have a guy like that bat leadoff?
Despite Ramos going in the tank in the 2nd half, when he wasn’t leading off, he batted 2nd 13 times.. A lot of managers put their best hitter 2nd to give them as many ABs as possible. Ramos was 7th on the team in OPS+. Is that the guy you want batting 2nd?
No, Melvin deserved to be let go. They were the most Jekyll and Hyde team in baseball. He’s responsible for that inconsistency.