Mitchell Report Names

Only a handful of good players.

Barry's clean!! YEAH!!!

Hahah

If Matt Herges did roids, he needs his money back!!

Just skimmed through the report... names mainly came out in the second half of the report.

I'm sorta disappointed that more bigger and newer names didn't come out. Good to get some confirmation on rumored names, but still. Quite a lot of players linked to the Blue Jays, damn McNamee, haha.

Oh, and guys like Gary Matthews Jr and Troy Glaus were also mentioned... but the report mentioned how MLB thought there wasn't enough sufficient evidence of their roles. Only name that sorta surprised me was Gregg Zaun

i can't believe ed wade was stupid enough to trade for tejada the day before this came out. any other time may have been ok, but this is an embarassment for the stros

I'm so glad the Nats fired Logan last night...just wish they'd release Lo Duca now...pity too, I really thought he'd be a good addition to the team, but now I cannot root for him at all.

I hate all of you that posted that list with Bagwell on it, dont you know I have enough angst over the Astros trading for Tejada?!

I dont need any my childhood hero going down too! =P

i'll be the first to say it.....what a convenient lack of red sox on this list.

Whoever released that first bogus list with all those big names on it should be crucified.

and while the list does lack a significant amount of red sox, look at Donnelly and Gagne, both on the list. Red Sox brass thought htey might have been on steroids or HGH and STILL acquired them!!

Where's Varitek ???...we all knows he's in the report. And no doubt he was jacked up on 'roids when he attacked A-Rod

im glad there were no red sox on this list, for the exceptions of the ones nobody really cares about around Boston (i.e donnelly and gagne)

What i want to know is if Clemens was doping when he was with the sox, that will be important to find out

I know there are many more players out there that are taking steroids. One is probably Albert Pujols.

haha Rick Ankiel left off list? he is the most obvious. how does a shitty pitcher with no power go to a star outfielder crankin homeruns all the time in 3 years?

so much for the plan to pick up Jack Cust in the late rounds of my draft next year..

Ankiel, I figured was public knowledge.

I just did a Ctrl-F in the report for Varitek and nothing came up.

Turnbow only tested positive for andro, you know.

Manny Alexander
Chad Allen
Rick Ankiel

Mike Bell
David Bell
Marvin Benard
Gary Bennett Jr.
Larry Bigbie
Barry Bonds
Ricky Bones
Kevin Brown
Paul Byrd

Alex Cabrera
Ken Caminiti
Jose Canseco
Mark Carreon
Jason Christianson
Howie Clark
Roger Clemens
Paxton Crawford
Jack Cust

Brendon Donnelly
Chris Donnels
Lenny Dykstra

Bobby Estellela
Matt Franco
Ryan Franklin

Eric Gagne
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Jay Gibbons
Troy Glaus
Juan Gonzalez
Jason Grimsley
Jose Guillen

Jerry Hairston Jr.
Matt Herges
Phil Hiatt
Glenallen Hill
Darren Holmes
Todd Hundley

David Justice

Chuck Knoblauch

Tim Laker
Mike Lansing
Paul Lo Duca
Nook Logan

Josias Manzanillo
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Bart Miadich
Hal Morris

Daniel Naulty
Denny Neagle

Rafael Palmeiro
Jim Parque
Luis Perez
Andy Pettitte
Adam Piatt
Todd Pratt

Stephen Randolph
Adam Riggs
Armando Rios
Brian Roberts
John Rocker

FP Santangelo
Benito Santiago
Scott Schoeneweis
David Segui
Mike Stanton

Miguel Tejada

Ismail Valdez
Mo Vaughn
Randy Velarde
Ron Villone
Fernando Vina

Rondell White
Todd Williams
Jeff Williams
Steve Woodard

Kevin Young

Gregg Zaun

What is shocking about this list to me is the size. It is so SMALL.

What we have here is a sampling of actual abusers. When you realize that most of the information provided came from just a handful of sources you can see how widespread this really could become. If another trainer or coach flipped there might be an additional 20-30 names on this report. Additionally, what about those players that engaged in the activity without the aid of another. Buying steroids through others and administering the drug yourself or having a close friend do it would be simple and undetectable through the methods used by the Mitchell report.

I chalk these guys up as idiots who got caught. I bet there is a much larger population of the smart ones.

Several players have been quoted that around 50 percent of players were on some sort of performance enhancer. This list just scratches the contacts of basically two suppliers.

The Mitchell report is like a storybook filled with little interesting short stories. This is Christmas come early.

Agreed with the last few posters... this barely scratches the surface. Just the fact that Brady Anderson and Brett Boone weren't named in it is enough to prove that.

Hopefully this does bring some sort of closure on the topic. It will obviously continue to be talked about for months, and brought up for years/decades... but maybe now we can focus on baseball again and the great sport that it is.

No David Eckstein!!! I bet he'll sleep easy tonight.

"i'll be the first to say it.....what a convenient lack of red sox on this list.

Posted by: Nj_Intimidator | December 13, 2007 at 02:08 PM"

Player (Years with Boston):
Manny Alexander (2000)
Kevin Brown (2002)
Jose Conseco (1995-1996)
Roger Clemens (1984-1996)
Paxton Crawford (2000-2001)
Brendon Donelly (2007)
Chris Donnels (1995)
Eric Gagne (2007)
Jeremy Giambi (2003)
Mike Lansing (2000-2001)
Josias Manzanillo (1991)
Kent Mercker (1999)
Mike Stanton (1996, 2005)
Mo Vaughn (1991-1998)
Steve Woodard (2003)

Now shush.

You know, if i actually cared what other people put in their bodies I'd be really upset about Clemens and Mo Vaughn right now. Alas, i actually know how overexagerated the negative effects of roids are. Booze are much worse for you, as are cigs.

Oh and before anyone says anything i haven't taken roids. That comment was based on MANY comparative studies I've read that were trying to figure out a legitimate way of ranking drugs (for the purposes of prosecution mostly). Marijuana is a schedule I drug in the USA while, cocaine is schedule II and alchohol is legal?? HA.

what about luis gonzalez??!?!?!? he went from being in the same boat as sosa and mcguire and being in homerun derbys to being a nobody who hits like 8 HRs a year

Will people let the stupid Mitchell conspiracy theories go. The only reason the list has any sort of "NY bias" is that the main source of info was headquartered in NY.

The sports media is so funny, they all talk like MLB is now finished and fans are going to stop paying attention and going to games.... I DON'T CARE! Does anybody on here really see this report and now view baseball differently and don't like it as much?

This from Rotoworld:

Agent Randy Hendricks sent out a statement saying Roger Clemens "vehemently denies allegations in the Mitchell Report that he used performance-enhancing steroids."
Hendricks's release says that Clemens "is outraged that his name is included in the report based on uncorroborated allegations of a troubled man threatened with federal criminal prosecution."

What a fvcking loser.

david ortiz went from a so-so hitter in minn. to a very good hitter in boston???????

Yeah, writing a check for dope is not all that smart. I think a football player was busted a while back for writing a check to his supplier and putting 'cocaine' in the memo on the check.

Where's Ecksteins name ???

I heard that before that in the mid-ninties he was actually the guy who played mini-me in the Austen powers movies. And then all of a sudden he's like 5'5 and playing baseball.

Something's up

"something that wasn't illegal in the MLB at the time"

-that might be the most hilarious quote in the history of this cite.

"Barry's clean!! YEAH!!!

Hahah"

Barry Bonds was named countless times and is one of the main guys in the report...Barry Bonds did steroids...period. This report wasn't even necessary to prove that, it's already been proven, this report is just another source that proves it.

Wow, some of these names were very surprising, the most was Gregg Zaun.

"-that might be the most hilarious quote in the history of this cite."

Ok. Would you have rather me put it that taking steroids at the time had basically no risk because the steroid policy was terrible at the time? Up until 2004, using steroids and even getting caught had no implications whatsoever. And don't think like the head honchos of the MLB didn't know it was going on. They could have easily starting doing something about it in the late 90's.

They actually implemented a plan in 2002 where first time offenders of the new steroid policy wouldn't even have the name released and all they had to do was get "treatment". That shouldn't even be considered a punishment.

I went through the whole list of names in the report and clicked the wrong Kevin Brown. Wasn't thinking that deeply at the time or i'd have caught it. So sue me :p

As for '"something that wasn't illegal in the MLB at the time"

-that might be the most hilarious quote in the history of this cite.'

It WAS'T illegal in the MLB at the time. US Govt=/MLB.

I still don't understand why people are so up in arms about all of this. Do any of you have any idea about how many performance enhancing drugs are still legal?

First steroids were made illegal and then they came out with prohormones that were essentially derivatives of steroids. Then they make prohormones illegal and now you can find products that inhibit the estrogen-negative-feedback-loop and the androgen-negative-feedback-loop . Essentially what that means is that it prevents testosterone in your body from decaying into estrogen and also reacts with the bonding sites in your hypothalmus making your body THINK your testosterone levels lower. As a result your body pumps out more testosterone and less of that testosterone is then converted into estrogen. They all have the same effect. Are you gonna ban them too even tho they haven't been shown to have any serious side effects? People like to ban these things without knowing anything about them :p

Oh and a little food for thought. Broccoli contains a chemical indole-3-carbinol (also known as DIM). The chemical in the long run decreases the concentration of estradiol (strongest form of estrogen in the body) and as a result increases testosterone. If people were to engineer strains with a higher concentration are we going to start banning them as well?

What about actual dietary consumption of hormones (not just chemicals that affect the ratios in your body but the hormones themselves). You do all realize how much you get from all the meat you eat as well as phytoestrogens from plants like soy (not sure if phytotestosterone exists...). Anyways, the point i'm trying to make with this LONG rant is that rather than condemning people for the use of substances that affect their body chemistry, people should simply concern themselves with their own body chemistry and make the right choice for themselves. Feel free to educate others on the subject (as well as yourself whenever you can get the chance), but why bother passing judgement on someone trying to make the most of their human form.

Most of these athletes are much more aware of what they're putting into their bodies than the average poster on here. At the very least they pay someone to have a clue for them :p

This whole thing kind of makes me wonder what will come of Larry Bigbie. He was still an active player, I believe in the Braves farm system, in 2007 and he still went out and outed former teammates. I gained some respect for the guy for coming out and doing this, but I'd have to imagine his career is over.

Baseballguru while i agree with the general tone of your post, you do have a few of your facts wrong. First off steroids will NEVER make you gain more fat than if you weren't on them. That's an utter fallacy and one i've definitely heard muttered too many times on the internet. "A friend of a friend took roids and just sat around and ate and he got REALLY fat!!" Yah that might have seemed to actually happen, but likely it was just that the guy either got a ripped off and got some kind of saline solution or something or he just ate like a pig and expected all the calories would go to muscle. All other variables equal steroids will always help with the ratio muscle/fat you gain, but they aren't a cureall. You still need to eat well and exercise to take full advantage.

Anyways i don't remember where the exact article was but check the articles by Author Rea (author is actually his first name) on bodybuilding.com. He talks about how your body each year breaks down some obscene amount of muscle and rebuilds a comparable obscene amount. I know that's really vague, but it was at the very least enough for all the muscle in your body hundreds of times over. If you've ever taken any kind of chemistry class you should be familiar with the concept of equilibrium. What it means is that a chemical reaction is happening simultaneously in both directions. For some reactions it may occur much more rapidly in one direction than the other until it reaches almost completion. In the human body, however, catabolic (breaking down muscle) and anabolic (building muscle) reactions are balanced out fairly evenly over the course of the year. When it comes to testosterone and other androgens, whether they are naturally produced, injected, or ingested, they will shift the rate at which muscle is built while decreasing the rate at which it is broke down. Spread that out over a long period of time and even a TINY little shift will add up to lots of muscle :)

Again, i just want to reiterate, i've never taken steroids, i just like to read (and i'm a chem major so i like to look at all the structures and reaction mechanisms and such).

Oh and also. Muscle is muscle...well actually it depends on the kind of muscle fiber whether it be slow twitch of fast twitch but that has nothing to do with what we're saying. If you increase the amount of muscle you have you will get stronger and faster (in general). Steroids don't just "puff up" your muscles like you seem to be suggesting. Well actually they do increase the size of the individual cells (where as HGH would instead causes your body to create more muscle cells), but it's not simply an aesthetic change. The muscle is fully functional. This isn't some kind of video game where the big character is powerful but slow. Speed=power in the real world (well assuming he's not big, fat and powerful :p).

Anyways, sorry i rambled a few places in there :)

My argument isn't that they don't help. My argument is "why do we have to label them as 'cheating?'" Who cares? There are other similar things that are legal anyways.

"False presumptions about steroids:
You don't hit the ball farther.
You don't hit for a higher average.
You don't run faster.
You don't throw any harder You don't gain any more accuracy with your throws"

Then why do they do steroids? Because they want to look good at the beach? That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in my life. He tells US to get our facts straight, hilarious.

Steroids will make your body break down much faster whereas HGH does not. HGH and steroids are not the same thing and people need to realize that. HGH has many beneficial health attributes and I think HGH should be a manditory part of injury recovery. Anyone found using when they aren't injured are gone for three years without chance of appeal. Don't make everyone else suffer because one person wants to abuse the privledge. Everyone who could benefit from HGH replacement therapy have to suffer because these guys want to use it to cheat.

Yeah, and who cares if they cheat. That means anyone else who doesn't use that has their job stolen by someone using steroids must also risk his health and use steroids if he wants to keep his job and that is BS. Everyone should be on an even playing ground and we don't need to be shortening players lives by allowing steroids to continue to manifest in the game. Steroids are damaging to the body even when used as directed, but who cares if they use it and end up dying before they are fifty. There are other things that are legal that aren't deadly or so damaging to the body. Glutamine and Arginine are both great with this. I personally use them and they work great and have no side effects or long term damage whatsoever. At least give the players something that isn't going to kill them or shorten their lives/careers. How f'd up do you have to be to say "who cares"?

By the way, corking a bat is actually counterproductive. Less weight = less mass and that means the ball doesn't travel as far. They did this on Mythbusters some time ago and a corked bat absorbs half the impact, literally half. There is something to be said for the potential psychosomatic effect though.

Too funny BB.

If the day job doesn't work out, you could always take Dave Berry's old spot...

Pujols might now becoming clean though. His numbers were down last year, and he doesn't look as buffed up as he used to look. With all this stuff going on, we will see what kind of offensive numbers Poohole will have next year.

First off, I did not contradict myself by saying the ball goes farther but doesn't leave the yard more often... The players as I stated work out more because of the steroids and as a result their workouts cause them to hit the ball further than when they depended on their natural build to get them by.

In the case of Bonds, you can see a steep rise to his production, but he also was training religiously starting about 6-7 years ago, before he admitted that he took the offseason as a break from athletics in general and he has always been on a Hall of Fame pace.

My general point is that where do you seperate the competitive advantage?! Should guys like David Ortiz be forced to lose 40lbs. because he has an unfair advantage in terms of power over guys like Eckstein who will never be big enough to hit 30 HRs?! What about guys like Rickey Henderson that workout year round like animals, he was stated as having the best body in the clubhouse when he was a Mariner at age 43 or so. Should we limit the amount of hours that a player can lift weights or run to compensate for those that don't train as hard?! What about intelligence, should we make the strike zone smaller for pitchers like Schilling and Moyer that take a rediculous number of notes on batters. I mean it's unfair that they do research and prepare better than their oppositions' pitcher, right?!

A side note about steroids, when I was a freshman in H.S. years ago, my whole team was on steroids and we lost almost every game. We had some amazing NATURAL athletes that when we played Little League Football led us to league championships against the same kids we played in H.S., but a sport always finds it's own level like with water. Parity exists when we finally stop screwing with the system and just let it play. Notice baseball players say do this, do that, but no one is bitching about the on the field results. No one is complaining about Bonds breaking records or teams like the Yankees winning championships, the only people complaining are the fans who echo the sentiment of the media like lemmings.

Oh and to further breakdown my comment about farther but not more frequently.

One, only Brady Anderson, Luis Gonzalez, and Henry Rodriguez woke up one morning and decided to double their HR output or in some cases triple it. Aside from those guys there is no rise in slugging percentage by current athletes that is any more eye-catching than 40-50 years ago, players have up and down years and three guys in the last 20 years happened to have their best year at the plate when their swing was projecting the balls appropriately to clear the fence.

Two, a player can hit the ball as hard as they want, but if they don't have the right angle to their swing then they won't hit the ball out of the yard. Pentland with the Mariners worked with Ibanez a couple years ago on his "swing plain" and figured that if he added just a little more uppercut to his stroke he would hit 10-15 HRs more and magically it happened in 2006. There is not always a battle of good or evil, sometimes it's just about ratings and money.