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UPDATE, 12-10-07 at 8:41am: It's a done deal, pending a physical. Having watched LaTroy implode firsthand as the Cubs' closer, I'm skeptical as to whether he can succeed in New York. But the risk is low.
FROM 12-9-07 at 3:27pm:
Ken Rosenthal reports that the Yankees are close with LaTroy Hawkins on a one-year deal worth $3.75 million. If this proves true, the Yankees will have beat out the Rockies and Rangers for Hawkins. The signing comes as rather strange, being a one-year deal for a soon-to-be 35-year-old.
After a couple of stellar years with the Twins and the Cubs, Hawkins has been average in terms of ERA. He had a decent season last year, posting a 3.42 ERA in 55.1 innings, though he struck out only a batter every other inning, give or take. He did keep his walks low.
Apparently, the Yankees liked the idea of Hawkins on a one-year deal, rather than Luis Vizcaino for three or four. Vizcaino had a solid three months for the Yankees in 2007, but also had three months where he got beat around pretty bad.
After missing out on Hawkins, the Rockies are reportedly looking at Vizcaino.
-Joe
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If Hawkins thinks that Cubs fans are unfair, wait till he gets to New York. I smell Farnsworth Part II, but at least NYY isn't stupidly giving Hawkins a 4-year deal.
Posted by: CubsAddictMG | December 09, 2007 at 03:40 PM
Tim, I'm sure part of the appeal of Hawkins to the Yankees is that he didn't qualify as a Type A or B free agent.
That's why they steered clear of Vizcaino.
I wrote about this in my Hardball Times piece about the Yanks' offseason - the limitations on Type A/B FA signings impact their decision-making.
Posada/Rodriguez/Rivera/Petitte - that's four, and they can only sign one more. (Because Vizcaino was a type B too, the Yanks had five Type A/B FA's total...and they're allowed to sign as many as they had).
They don't want to waste that last type A/B free agent splurge on Vizcaino.
I think they'll still make a play for Rowand. That'll be their fifth Type A/B signing of the offseason. It also allows them to keep Cabrera in their Santana package. -Jacob
Posted by: | December 09, 2007 at 03:50 PM
I thought the rule was you could only sign three Type A free agents not originally on your team. So any players the Yankees were to resign wouldn't count towards that total. Is there another rule relating to Type B free agents, or relating to people who start with your team?
Posted by: | December 09, 2007 at 04:23 PM
I just hope that Hawkins fits under the "salary restraints" that prevented Cashman from trading for Johan.
Posted by: | December 09, 2007 at 04:53 PM
This is going to end up a bad deal. At least we know our relievers are going to pitch in 70 games a year with dumbass Toree.
Posted by: yankfan1 | December 09, 2007 at 06:05 PM
In his career, he has ERAs of 6.45 versus Baltimore, 5.79 versus Boston, 4.53 versus Toronto and 4.43 versus Tampa Bay. Yikes.
Posted by: yankfan1 | December 09, 2007 at 06:11 PM
Wow...didn't Hawkins learn by his experience in Chicago? If he thought Cubs fans were relentless and brutal...
Now he's moving to horrifying division for pitchers. I don't see an even remotely happy marriage in the Bronx.
Posted by: MarkH | December 09, 2007 at 07:19 PM
The MFY yankees getting a compensation pick for Vizcaino one in front of the Red Sox is offset by the fact that LaTroy Hawkins is now going to be tee'd off on. Seriously when has it even been a good idea to sign this guy as a free agent to a team supposively competing for a playoff spot? Since 2004 he hasn't had season that couldnt be repeated by a minor league equivalent.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | December 09, 2007 at 08:12 PM
Good news here for the rest of the AL East.
Posted by: | December 09, 2007 at 08:58 PM
/\ i agree. i'd rather see them sign a lefty and go with:
Mo
Farnsworth
Affedlt or Mahay
Igawa
Albedejando(sp?)
and let Bruney, Karstens, Rasner, etc battle it out for last spot with Mussina as the long&6th starter
Posted by: maximumpotential | December 09, 2007 at 09:00 PM
and btw: CUT GIAMBI!!!! or least trade him for a warm body. to TB for Navarro?
Posted by: maximumpotential | December 09, 2007 at 09:03 PM
Hawkins wasn't bad in chicago until baker decided he was the closer. He had failed two times before in minny and failed again in chicago. He's proof that the SABR theory anyone can be a closer doesn't work. He's a good setup man just a awful closer. Good thing he's not going to be closing in NYC.
Posted by: MaxxPower | December 09, 2007 at 09:27 PM
this is a good signing, he will pitch the 6th inning, makes sure we don't bring back vizcaino who is terrible and wanted linebrink's deal, and a 1 year deal enables us to have the spot open next year for more kids like melecon and sanchez. plus if he is aweful, we can trade him or cut him, its only 3.75 mil. Now only if we could trade mussina
Posted by: | December 09, 2007 at 09:55 PM
"and a 1 year deal enables us to have the spot open next year for more kids like melecon and sanchez"
I as a Red Sox fan pray for the day that they take up a MLB roster spot for the MFY.
Posted by: | December 09, 2007 at 10:17 PM
@MaximumPotential:
You forgot Ohlendorf on your list. I'm guessing that he will have a big role in the bullpen. And there's always the impending Matsui trade.
Posted by: JD | December 09, 2007 at 10:29 PM
dont trade Matsui CUT GIAMBI
LF-Damon
SS-Jeter
RF-Abreu
3B-A-Hole
DH-Matsui
C-Posada
2B-Cano
1B-Shelly Duncan
CF-Melky
Posted by: | December 09, 2007 at 10:59 PM
"I as a Red Sox fan pray for the day that they take up a MLB roster spot for the MFY."
Just like Yankee fans love the fact that Jon Lester, Jed Lowrie, and Coco Crisp will most likely be in the Red Sox system in 2008.
Posted by: Andrew | December 09, 2007 at 11:28 PM
by next year i mean 2009, and yes im quite comfortable having young kids in the bullpen, im sure "sox fans" are happy about delcarmen. melecon and sanchez could both be better than him
Posted by: dewallace | December 09, 2007 at 11:29 PM
"Just like Yankee fans love the fact that Jon Lester, Jed Lowrie, and Coco Crisp will most likely be in the Red Sox system in 2008."
Cheering to face Lester makes sense, because he is the perfect pitcher for the Yankees to annihilate. A guy with disgusting stuff, who just has a complete disregard for the strike zone. I've been praying for the tubby blowhard to sit him down for a while now and smack him until he says "THROW STRIKES" over and over and over again.
Once again I will point out that anyone who knows a god damn thing about baseball, and talent evaluation will know that Coco Crisp is ridiculously talented and should be traded for right now. Cost controlled and far more valuable to a baseball team than Torri Hunter.
"lowrie"
The only way he would be playing for the Red Sox is if Lugo got traded. SO basically your "yankee fans" pray for him to play for Boston comment makes any sense is if we lose the dead weight of Lugo and start Robinson Cano at SS for 300k. You are loving that that might happen?
"by next year i mean 2009, and yes im quite comfortable having young kids in the bullpen"
Bullpens should be built with Humberto Sanchez, or Manny Delcarmen's, someone way smarter than me really needs to make a benefit to cost breakdown cause outside of shut down relievers no bullpen pitcher should ever be paid over league minimum. Until someone can definitely show that a non bullpen ace deserves any salary I'm holding to my position.
Posted by: | December 10, 2007 at 12:27 AM
That was me.
Posted by: | December 10, 2007 at 12:28 AM
What the f*ck.
Posted by: ArodSucksAtLife | December 10, 2007 at 12:29 AM
Linebrink getting 4/$19M was completely ridiculous. Considering that he was a type B and the White Sox were protected, I think there was probably little to no competition for him. What a horrible signing.
Posted by: JD | December 10, 2007 at 05:55 AM
Linebrink was a Type A, but as you pointed out, the White Sox were protected so it made little difference - the second round pick isn't worth nearly as much. And yes, his contract was ridiculous.
Posted by: achilles17 | December 10, 2007 at 07:06 AM
Doesn't anybody understand? This move is purely to bridge the gap for the Yankees. With Luis Vizcaino, Ron Villone, and Mike Myers out of the picture, the Yankees are going to have an exceptionally young and inexperienced bullpen in 2008. Pitchers such as Jose Veras, Ross Ohlendorf, Chris Britton, and Edwar Ramirez are going to have to step up in a big way. Same with the new pitcher they acquired for Tyler Clippard. And everybody knows that putting your season in the hands of young pitchers can be a dangerous thing. LaTroy Hawkins isn't going to suddenly come in and save the situation. He's a 6th or 7th inning man at best at this stage in his career. But he brings a veteran presence out of the bullpen to help those above pitchers get their feet wet in the ML. Not to mention, Hawkins will be a stopgap until prospects such as Mark Melancon, Humberto Sanchez, or J.B. Cox are ready to come to the show. It's not a signing that is going to change the division ... but it will prove useful when the Yankees need some leadership and composure out of the bullpen.
Posted by: | December 10, 2007 at 12:10 PM
"but it will prove useful when the Yankees need some leadership and composure out of the bullpen."
I don't think you understand...did you see him with the Cubs?? Hawkins and "composure" have NOTHING to do with eachother...
Posted by: | December 10, 2007 at 12:23 PM
i hate the yankees and red sox. they have so much money to spend that if they see some other team about to get a good player, they get in there and offer a bit more to get em. Yes, the yankees are terrible and i think Hawkins will help them, but they could also have easily found somebody better, they just wanted to screw the rox
Posted by: bronx | December 10, 2007 at 12:24 PM
Yeah, I said in the Red Sox system, not roster. He and Brandon Moss are the types of players who would start and have a slight chance of becoming more than mediocre players on a team like the Pirates, but have no place other than possibly the bench on teams like the Red Sox.
Everyone loooves Jed Lowrie, but everyone loved Brandon Moss in July, saying he'd be a staple in the outfield for six years. You, I think, said that. Right. Comparing Lowrie to Cano is moronic at best. Cano is one of the top young players in BASEBALL. Lowrie is nothing more than a defensively-mediocre infielder who had a solid thirty games at AAA. He's not much right now. If he continues putting up good numbers at AAA, then yes, he is a guy who could be a solid player in the majors if given the chance. Even then, it's a probably-not.
Anyway, it was a response to an idiotic comment by a moronic Sox fan who probably thinks Craig Hansen is once again the second coming since his sleep apnea has been treated.
Posted by: | December 10, 2007 at 12:48 PM
This is great news for the AL East. He will implode in that kind of hitting division back on it. The yankees bullpen to me seems to be a weakness. I think it will keep them out of the playoffs!
Posted by: CUBS=NOTHING | December 10, 2007 at 01:08 PM
Bronx, why would the Yankees sign a mediocre player just to keep him away from the Rockies? The Rockies are in the only division the Yankees don't go near next year (interleague pits them against the Central, plus they play the Mets from the East).
I somehow doubt the Yankees were sitting there saying "Damn, I hope the Rockies don't make it back to the World Series next year. Let's sign one of their old, mediocre relievers! That'll stop them!"
The only time the Yankees interest in someone is dependent on another team's interest is interested is if it's the Red Sox. Or if you catch George on the right day, maybe the Mets.
By your logic every good player would be on the Yankees or Red Sox, yet there are more good players not on those teams than there are on those teams.
Posted by: | December 10, 2007 at 01:44 PM
bronx, I don't think the Yankees are targeting the Rockies. They simply do not want to sign Vizcaino to a three or four year deal. Management has continued to get burned by giving big contracts to relievers such as Farnsworth, Karsay, Hammond, etc. So they signed a similar pitcher to Vizcaino in Hawkins (in retrospect, probably a little bit weaker) for less years. It's a solid move by Cashman.
The Rockies will probably counter it by signing Vizcaino, who has shown how good he can be by posting some very good seasons with the Diamondbacks.
Posted by: | December 10, 2007 at 02:55 PM
Remember when this guy was almost lights out in the setup role for the Twins? What happened? He went to the Cubs...
Since he left Minnesota he hasn't stayed on one team more than a season and a half. Looking at his stats since 2003 shows him as someone you can expect a 3.10 or so ERA from. But as a Cubs fan we all know how deceptive his 2004(2.63ERA) and 2005(3.32ERA) numbers were. Sure they averaged out to look pretty decent on paper, but if there was a stat category for Clutch Ability...LaTroy Hawkins would be rated around -300,250.
Still responsible for one of the biggest on field blowups at an umpire this side of Milton Bradley.
Posted by: | December 10, 2007 at 05:51 PM
The only reason the yankees signed him because he's the only reliever willing for a one year deal.
Posted by: yankfan1 | December 10, 2007 at 06:03 PM