Marlins Looking For A Starter?

This is probably a stretch but Kyle Snyder + low-level prospect for old friend (undersized pitcher who is currently miscast being as a starter) Jesus Delgado.

Any Marlins fans out there (or are they just urban legends)? If so, you think they'd give up Chris Coughlan and a second-tier pitching prospect like Kyle Winters, Harvey Garcia, or Graham Taylor for Daniel Cabrera? He's pitched pretty well this spring and his upside is...huge, but I'm sick of him and the way he teases with his talent. I like Couglan as a mid-infield prospect...of which the O's have exactly none.

germano was kicking fantasy baseball butt for me last year. he deserves a shot at someones rotation. how bout votto and belisle for jacobs and someone else? that seems reasonable. i cant think of a way to put reyes in a trade unfortunately. reyes for south florida timeshare?

SrMeowMeow-

...and isn't that depressing?

Joelcards- better be a really good someone else for Votto. Jacobs doesn't get it done WITHOUT Belisle in the deal. Votto could probably outperform Jacobs NOW and his upside is MUCH higher.

jacobs, in his two years in the majors, has been the worst starting firtbaseman in that time period. He was the probably worst hitting first baseman in 2007 and was bottom 5 2007. Ontop of that he's been one of the three worst defensive firstbaseman both years. He's combination of bad offense and bad defense has to have him as the worst current starting firtbaseman in the majors.

He has to have about 0 trade value at the moment.

Now some would argue his struggles have been the likes of injuries and emotional distress (See:twins midseason), which could be. But while it's possible he can do better in the future, there's no denying how bad he's been in the past.

in other words, votto for jacobs is flat out ridiculous.

two points. jacobs didnt play a full year in 06, and got hurt in 07. if u project his numbers over 600 at bats they look like .265, 25, 90. also votto has 84 pro atbats. now how do u know what votto will do for the rest of his career? jacobs is slightly below average but thats still better than what the reds have. votto is completely unproven. at least jacobs has done something.

If 30 HRs is all teams are looking for, then Jacobs might be a good option for a team playing in a bandbox. But Jacobs' OPS hasn't cracked .800 in the past two seasons. Last year, his offensive performance was worse than J.D. Drew's in that respect. His glove at 1B does not compensate for the fact that he gives you the production you'd expect from a good catcher while occupying a position that traditionally generates heart-of-the-order numbers.

Jacobs might bring back a Kyle Snyder. The only attractive thing about him is that his age, combined with that tantalizing period of 100 ABs when he was with the Mets, might give a team hope that he can improve.

As a Cubs fan I feel the Marlins owe us for giving them D-Train (good solid mid roation pitcher. So here it goes. Marquis(SP), Gallagher(SP) and Cedeno (SS)plus a little $$ to offset Marquis salary for Hanley Ramirez(SS),Cody Ross(4thOF).

Yeah, where are you getting this, experience > talent crap?! I agree that prospects are just that: prospective major leaguers and wouldn't put too much stock into Votto's early numbers, but there are limits to the old axiom that a bird in hand is worth two in the bush!

It doesn't mean that the sick bird with the broken wing and googly eye is worth more than two majestic eagles (OK, that metaphor has gone on long enough). Votto's upside combined with his readiness is far more valuable than Jacobs...FAR more. Never happen. 'nuff said.

As for ryno23...? Next time use an emoticon or LOL or something, 'cause someone might take you seriously! That's the craziest friggin proposal I've seen since I started scanning this site. You couldn't get Brian Roberts for that, but the Fish'll give up only the most electric young player in the game; an MVP caliber, 5 tool, future HOF, do it all stud...who's still under 25?!!! Like I said, you could clear everything up with a...smiley face or something. Don't want to get swept off to a padded room somewhere. :)

Here is what you do. The Reds should trade Adam Dunn for whatever they can get for him. Yes, he has a No Trade clause but, like Johan Santana, it can be bought out. Then they should trade Matt Belisle for Josh Willingham.

Why do this? Because the Reds are NOT going to have a winning season in 2008 anyway and when you combine Dunn's Offense AND Defense, he is no better than an AVERAGE Left Fielder (see what Bill DeWan of The Fielding Bible said about Dunn). Now, when you look at the average National League Offensive Left Fielder for 2007 it turns out that Willingham is the closest there is, when you add all NL teams Left Field production together and then divide by 16.

So, the Reds would replace an AVERAGE Left Fielder who makes $13 million dollars with an average Left Fielder who makes less than a million dollars. Then, when KGJ's salary is off the books after the 2008 season (or before if he is healthy and allows himself to be traded) the Reds will have over $22 million free to sign a Pitcher. Say somebody like C. C. Sabathia.

Reds fans are ALWAYS bitching about the team losing because of the Pitching (but overlook Dunn's high salary, poor Defense and below average Offensive stats AWAY from GASP, against Left Handed Pitching AND with RISP). So, with Sabathia that argument would not be valid anymore. Also, Sabathia is a Left Handed starter which the Reds need.

So, Reds fans, are YOU willing to give up Dunn for the possibility of getting Sabathia or are you going to want to stay with the formula that has gotten you seven consecutive losing seasons?

Willingham and Dunn are equally bad with the glove, really.

If you go by Dewan's +/-, Dunn as at -29. Willingham was at -28 (Dunn played 13.1 more inn, so it's basically a push).

Joelcards: Jacobs has played 77% of the Marlins games the last two years. He is what he is, a below average player in batting average and OBP, and above average slugger, with a poor glove to boot. He's not worth Votto in any galaxy. And considering that the Reds have Scott Hatteberg, who has outproduced Jacobs in OPS the last two years, they dont need Jacobs if they dont start Votto.

Nny,

That might be true but here is the point. IF Dunn is on the team in 2009, he is most likely going to be paid at least $15 million dollars, where as Willingham WONT. So, the Reds would NOT be able to afford Sabathia with Dunn on the team. Plus, by moving from a Pitcher's aprk to a hitter's park, WSillingham's Offensive numbers would go up, just as Dunn's Offensive numbers would go down if he didn't play in GASP but in a Pitcher's park.

So, Dunn driving in 100 RBI's while costing the Reds 20 Runs on Defense and coting $15 million dollars compared to Willingham driving in 90 Runs while costing the Reds 20 Runs on Defense but costing only $1 million. Is the HUGE difference in salaries worth 10 Runs??

On top of that, if the Reds were to get Sabathia with the money saved by NOT having Dunn and KGJ on the team, he would more than make up for those 10 Runs because he would be so much better than what the Reds would have in the Starting rotation if he were NOT on the team.

Think of a rotation consisting of Harang, Sabathia, Arroyo, Cueto and either Bailey or Volquez compared to Harang, Arroyo, Cueto, Bailey and Volquez.

With Sabathia on the team, Arroyo gets moved down at least to the number three spot and the Reds would then have an extra young Pitcher just in case one doesn't work out.

Without Sabathia, the Reds would have three young and unproven starters who, if one doesn't work out, they would have to replace with a scrap heap player like Fogg or Affeldt.

Having Sabathia gives the Reds some leeway for a young Pitcher to not work out and the team would still be in good shape.