Cafardo's Latest: Buyers & Sellers

So honestly when will people stop talking about Melky like he's a good trading chip? the guys hitting .250 with a .312 OBP So he's a younger version of John McDonald but plays Center Field yipee, how do I trade a Ace type pitcher for that.

even if the phillies trade for CC, or any of those pitchers, they cant make it to the world serise. The couldnt even sniff the world serise.

Adding CC or Bedard would be huge for Philly. Such a trade would have to make them the odds-on favorite for the NL pennant.

Now that Keppinger and Hopper are back, the Red's lineup may begin to score more runs again.

But what type of net could Arroyo get the Reds? Melky for Arroyo?

"Adding CC or Bedard would be huge for Philly. Such a trade would have to make them the odds-on favorite for the NL pennant."

Not true. Even with Sabathia, the Phils would have probably the best 1-2 punch in baseball, but at the same time their 3-5 are still garbage, to put it kindly. Offense doesn't prevail in october. Ask the Yankees of 2007, or the Yankees of 2006, or the Yankees of 2005, or the Yankees of 2004, or the Yankees of.... well, you get the idea. The best offenses are capable of being shut down by a good pitcher in the playoffs. Look at what the good pitching of the Halo's has made the Philly offense look like these last two days. This is why I still love the Mets chances if they can stay close and get into the playoffs. Same with Arizona, and the Cubbies. You throw Johan Santana and Oliver Perez out against the phils and they are capable of keeping them in check. Same with Zambrano and Lilly. Trust me, I saw it happen to the Mets in 2006 (who are extremely similar to the 2008 Phillies, no starting pitching, offensive juggernaut, outstanding bullpen). And the Mets were shut down by Jeff Weaver and Jeff Freaken Suppan. Point is, I will take a hot pitcher (even a mediocre pitcher in a good groove at the time)over a monster offense come october everytime.

I love when East Coast writers muse on teams they are utterly clueless about, like the Dodgers, just to fill space. CC's lovely and all, but the last thing the Dodgers need is pitching, even *with* Penny and Kuroda (very briefly) on the DL. They have one of the best ERAs in baseball over past month and one of the highest K rates. What they can't do is hit or score with any consistency. To trade Kemp away for pitching is so dumb I'm not sure what to say. Even Colletti wouldn't be that out of it.

Trading away pitching for more hitting is more likely for the Dodgers, but they are just as likely to see how Jones and Furcal recover in July before being in the market.

“but the last thing the Dodgers need is pitching, even *with* Penny and Kuroda (very briefly) on the DL. They have one of the best ERAs in baseball over past month and one of the highest K rates.

Although I agree are some rather questionable statements in this article overall; I’m not so sure I can agree with that. Their starters have a 4.38 ERA while playing most of their games in possibly the easiest park to pitch in. Where their BP is great, their starters don’t really stack up very well at all. The hitters will come around, that’s an almost forgone conclusion ~ most arent as confident about the starters even keeping this up over the next 3+ months though…

I don't think there's any question CC is the impact starter a contending team could use to make a late season push. His value is certainly diminished because he's a rental but he's also the best arm available; even if Bedard is on the market.

Dodgers could use him, trading Kemp would be ridiculously short-sighted but would you really be surprised?

My guess is that CC doesn't leave Cleveland this season because the Indians want to contend and no one will meet their asking price.

First off the Indians are looking for close to or at major league ready thirdbasemen / catchers / powerhitting 1st baseman DH / Shortstop / second basemen / these are the area's of weakness next season and at the minor league level / they already have the piching to replace Byrd and Sabatha in the rotation for the rest of the season . Their top prospect David Huff has shot like a rocket through the farm system 7 inning no runs yesterday I'm sure they will want to see what he can do with about 5 starts. they also have a guy lofgren also that should get a look pitched well the last couple of years may be one of those plays that has beed left in the minors 1 year to long. So I don't know why everybody thinks that the indians would want a Outfielder or starter on the roster right now. I'm sure that a outfielder and a pitcher would be part of the deal but would most likely be a top prospect a year or two away from the bigs and would most likely fill in the tail end of the deal . Unless the Dodgers would center their package around Broxton who would be the Indians closer for the rest of the season and years to come.

even if the phillies trade for CC, or any of those pitchers, they cant make it to the world serise. The couldnt even sniff the world serise.

Posted by: glover28 | June 22, 2008 at 12:22 PM

Maybe the Bucs make the world serise within the next few years?

how about this trade 1 of these three players (James Loney/BlakeDeWitt/Jonathan Broxton).
Plus these Three
John Lindsey /
Preston Mattingly /
Kenley Jansen

This is most likely the type of trade they will hold out for or they will most likely make the trade with the Rockies before the trading deadline

Now the yankees have Tabata / Jackson / and Montero or Cervilli as part of their package if they get desperate when hughes comes off the DL and he becomes the center piece of a deal with the other 3 that will be a done deal they have been told that the Indians have no interest in Kennedy they have one of those in Sowers.

The phillies have a by the book manager and when you give a manager like that the pieces he needs anything is possible .

It seems to me that nrmax88 is only saying that Santana/Perez or Zambrano/Lilly are good enough to compete with Sabathia/Hamels on any given day... which is plausible to me. The Phils would have a tough top 2 but the Cubs and Mets can easily split the difference -- then expose the Phillies lack of depth in their rotation. The Phils would then have to bring those guys back on 3 days rest with the very real possibilty that they would already be down 2 games to 1. It's not an outlandish idea at all.

I think LaRoche is a much better prospect than Marte at this stage. Unlike Marte, he hasn't really had a chance to show what he can do on a regular basis. The Dodgers would love to do that deal but I think the Indians should be pretty happy to get a power hitting, major league ready 3rd baseman for a starter they're going to lose anyway. Add a couple of minor leaguers from one of the top farm systems and it seems like a fair deal to me.

Craig Phillips is right. Not even Ned Colletti would be stupid enough to trade for more pitching. How many times can Ned watch the Dodgers score 1 run, and expect them to win? Andruw Jones has been a bust, so you can't say Ned didn't try. And most Dodger fans would tell you that they wanted all the youngsters to play this season as opposed to trading them last winter for a Miguel Cabrerra or Erik Bedard. But now it's looking like Ned should have made a trade. James Loney and Matt Kemp look like light hitting Tony Gwynn types. You can talk about potential until your blue in the face, but those two ain't hitting homeruns. Andy LaRoche will never play a complete season because he's more fragile than JD Drew. Chin Lung Hu cant hit major league pitching, and the Dodgers probably lost their chances of getting anything valuable for him by playing him everyday. To top this all off, Joe Torre is probably the worst possible "manager" for this young team. He looks like he is half asleep everytime they show a close-up of him.

Wow, trading Matt Kemp for CC Sabbathia? That would be ridiculous. Even better, the Met fans comments on his pitching staff and Oliver Perez. Oliver Perez is one step closer to being sent down. The best one, the Yankees trading there 3 best positional players and than even throwing in Hughes for good measures for the rent a player CC! What are you smoking Cleveland guy? CC is not gonna get you the top 4 prospects in the Yankee organization, or even the top 2 prospects for that matter. Why would any team trade there 2 top prospects for a rent a player. Unless those 2 top prospects wouldn't be 2 top prospects in any other farm. Ala the Santana trade. Those 4 players for Santana was a heist. Why would the Yankees now trade there top 4 prospects for CC Sabathia when there top 4 prospects blows away what the Mets gave up. Lets think these silly trades up before making them up. I can see the Yankees giving up a Melky and maybe IPK for a decent starter such as Bronson Arroyo. That may be too much to give up. Everyone has given up on IPK, but you need to remember he is still only 23 years old and will get better. Pitchers need time to develop. Volquez, Billingsly, Baily. These pitchers are valued higher than IPK and they all struggled when they first came up. In fact Baily is in triple A now!

"So honestly when will people stop talking about Melky like he's a good trading chip? the guys hitting .250 with a .312 OBP So he's a younger version of John McDonald but plays Center Field yipee, how do I trade a Ace type pitcher for that."

The thing about Melky is that he has all the tools to be a star and is still very young.

"I think LaRoche is a much better prospect than Marte at this stage. Unlike Marte, he hasn't really had a chance to show what he can do on a regular basis. The Dodgers would love to do that deal but I think the Indians should be pretty happy to get a power hitting, major league ready 3rd baseman for a starter they're going to lose anyway. Add a couple of minor leaguers from one of the top farm systems and it seems like a fair deal to me."

Now that sounds like a win/win deal, unless the Dodgers are hell bent on making one of LaRoche or DeWitt Kent's replacement next year. Move a top prospect who is blocked for a big time starter who can probably teach Kershaw a thing or two, given that they are rather similar pitchers anyway.

"Also CC would help their hitting too, maybe not as much as a position player, but still."

CC's feast or famine bat every 5 days isn't nearly as enticing as Kemp's every day.

"Their starters have a 4.38 ERA while playing most of their games in possibly the easiest park to pitch in."

And most of that ERA is bloated by Penny's command troubles and likely still includes Loaiza's stats. Billingsley and Lowe have both been excellent, particularly more recently, Kuroda has had a lot more good than bad and Park was absolutely brilliant yesterday. Oh, and Eric Stults looks to be on one of his little call up runs again. CC would be great to have, but there is no way you trade someone like Kemp for him.

“And most Dodger fans would tell you that they wanted all the youngsters to play this season as opposed to trading them last winter for a Miguel Cabrerra or Erik Bedard. But now it's looking like Ned should have made a trade.”

…2 things can be said to possibly start and explain such a situation though ~ 1) they didn’t get enough real ML experience/playing time last year when they could have been and its hurt them this year 2) young people don’t do well when they hear their names in each trade rumor a reporter can fantasize about. You cant expect young players to have too much confidence when they are being called out by the old kook keeping one of them out of a job, and being shown no confidence by the management they report to while hearing they should be gone soon.

Also, best not to look at Dodger stats and complain about a lack of HR power, its not exactly an easy thing to show at this stadium. Loney was never a huge power-bat prospect anyway, and his power numbers are about what you would expect over his first at his age for his location (it will go up of course, but growing doesn’t happen overnight). Plus, its not like a .831 OPS is something to complain about from a kid in his first full-season… Kemp is 23 and on pace for about 15-20 HR with about 30-40 2B, a handful of 3B and about 30 SB if given a full seasons worth of AB. I’m not sure what you expected, but the only real flaw with him comes in the fact he seems afraid to take a walk.

If you want to look for something to complain about on the Dodgers, those complaints should probably be directed towards Jones, Kent, Nomar, Furcal, Sweeney, Penny, Kuroda, Proctor (poor guy, he probably thought he was free of Torre), etc ~ ie, basically every vet on the team who has under-produced or been out with injuries. If you look at the kids though, you will see something like ~ Martin (123 OPS+), Loney (115 OPS+), Kemp (102 OPS+), Ethier (100 OPS+) ~ the kids are playing atleast ML-Avg or much better ~ same cant be said for the vets…

Come on guys. Sure Melky's nothing special, but to rip on him and praise Crisp when Melky still has a better OBP is a pretty silly argument. BTW baseballnuts, you're so silly. I don't see how you can expect the Indians to acquire those guys from the Yankees when Santana didn't get them. But maybe Sabathia will get them since he's an Indian.

Baseball nuts. You are the typical fan that wants the world but fails to see the big picture. If the Mets traded a newly called up Carlos Gomez, 2 double A pitchers, and a projection single a pitcher for the best lefty in baseball. Why would the Yankees trade Hughes, there best pitching prospect that stormed thru the minors and is only 21 years old. He was ranked ahead of Billingsly, Baily, and many of these young pitching studs that are breaking into the league like Volquez who are older but also had there problems when they came up. Than throw in our best hitting prospect that will be in the top 20 of all prospects. Than you also want 2 more players regardless of single or double a that have higher projections than any player given up for Santana. All this for a rent a player that will only get us 2 draft choices if he bolts. You are the typical unintelligent fan that embarrasses the team you root for. Smoke some more Cleveland grass and keep CC Sabathia and the 2 draft picks you will get for him when he bolts for the Dodgers in the off season.

Remember that even though people think the Indians are in a horrible barganing position here for a rent-a-pitcher and will get nothing for him, they actually get a pretty good package if they keep him and he walks. The #31 compensatory pick in the June draft, along with an additional top 30 pick from the team who signs him, not to mention the teams own pick which they keep regardless.

A team who trades for CC will have to have a package better than 2 first round draft picks. It also will be tough, because even though the Indians have all those players on the DL and are not a very good team right now because of it, that division is so bad, they are going to stay in striking distance which is going to make it harder to pry the AL Cy Young winner away. Even though they choked last year in the ALCS, and lost the last 3 games to Boston, having 3 studs in the playoffs (Sabathia, Carmona, Lee (he is doing it this year)), can get you a ring even if your hitting is lousy.

"CC's feast or famine bat every 5 days isn't nearly as enticing as Kemp's every day."

I don't think anyone is going to argue that point, but I hardly consider CC's bat "feast or famine."

The guy has a .300 lifetime average. I'm not saying he will always hit that well, but the measuring stick for a pitcher isn't set that high anyway.

"I don't think anyone is going to argue that point, but I hardly consider CC's bat "feast or famine.""

Did you see his ABs yesterday? Park threw him a fastball that got crushed, but once C.C. saw a breaking ball, he was swinging out of his shoes and back to the bench.

Couple things guys,

First ~ why does everyone keep trying to compare the Johan deal to a possible CC package? It really has very little in common, and the point attempted with “they only got” is rather incorrect (or atleast misleading) anyway.

See, the Twins were basically limited to 3-4 teams with which to deal with; Johans no-trade and stating he would exercise it if a contract wasn’t reached ensured that. But even with that being the case, Minnesota still turned down packages which included Hughes, Ellsbury and Lester ~ they might have “only got”, but it was their decision to “only get”. Indians have the deadline-frenzy behind them ~ unlimited teams they could deal with, many of which would have their biggest fear come true if he went to a competitor. Also, the Indians don’t have a GM who has been on the job for only a month or so…

We just see it in each of these threads, but the situations probably couldn’t be farther from eachother really… Not saying it will be extreme package for CC (if he is dealt), just saying that pointing to the Johan trade is illogical…

Secondly ~ I am not 100% sure that the baseballnuts guy is actually an Indians fan. He might just follow them closely more than be a true fan. Maybe he is, but…

Just to correct another stupid posting. Darkstar, Philip Hughes was never offered by the Yankees to the Twins. The Twins wanted him in the deal and the Yankees walked. FACT!

People please post intelligent and correct information to keep the intelligent people involved in the postings so that we all receive accurate and intelligent information.

"Just to correct another stupid posting. Darkstar, Philip Hughes was never offered by the Yankees to the Twins. The Twins wanted him in the deal and the Yankees walked. FACT!"

Actually, I was under the impression that the Yankees walked when they wouldn't include Ian Kennedy along with Hughes. I'm fairly certain Hughes was indeed offered.

As a matter of fact, Bruce Drennan, Cleveland's local sports voice, has his on TV show on all Cleveland sports that is broadcast throughout Ohio on STO, where the Tribe games are broadcast, a FSN station.

Basically, he talks about CC rumors every day and has mentioned multiple times that Hughes was indeed offered to the Twins.

I know reading this you don't know Drennan and think the show is no big deal, but it is. He had Tiger Wood's agent on the day his season ended and had David Stern on the day after the Donnahly acquisations, so it is a big deal, he knows what he talks about.

Straight from Hank’s mouth:

“I don’t want to continue this dog-and-pony show, playing us against the Red Sox,” Steinbrenner said. “I’m not going to participate in that. This is our best offer. Minnesota knows it’s our best offer. Everybody knows it is. We need to get this done. If we don’t, I certainly won’t be upset about keeping Hughes and Cabrera. I definitely won’t. I don’t think Minnesota wants to be stuck negotiating with just one team.”
( http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/03/sports/baseball/03yankees.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss )

So I’m not sure where you get your “FACT!”s from BillyBalla, but if you want “intelligent and correct information”, then I suggest you take the whole 10 seconds to look something up before giving bogus info in "another stupid posting"...

"First ~ why does everyone keep trying to compare the Johan deal to a possible CC package? It really has very little in common, and the point attempted with “they only got” is rather incorrect (or atleast misleading) anyway.

See, the Twins were basically limited to 3-4 teams with which to deal with; Johans no-trade and stating he would exercise it if a contract wasn’t reached ensured that. But even with that being the case, Minnesota still turned down packages which included Hughes, Ellsbury and Lester ~ they might have “only got”, but it was their decision to “only get”."

This is absolutely correct. You have to look at the fact that both Johan and the Twins had significant bargaining power. If they Twins didn't get a deal they liked to a team Johan wanted to pitch for, they could have just put up the cash to keep Johan, which was always an option. Further, they were doing it in the off season, when the market is very different. I also think they turned down the better offers from Boston and the Yankees because they wanted him out of the AL, not to mention that Gomez has been excellent anyway.

"LOL, are u kidding? He was fooled on a breaking-ball in his first AB of the season and that makes him feast or famine???

I see regular position players fooled by breaking-balls every game. Jhonny Peralta is a regular example lol.

I'm not sure how you can possibly defend the point of a .300 lifetime hitter being feast or famine"

It was his second AB. He hit the bomb in his first AB. Further, his ".300 career average" is in only 40 ABs. I mean, come on, that isn't a good sample. Hershiser was a good hitting pitcher. Gibson was a good hitting pitcher. Newk was a good hitting pitcher. Sabathia may well be one, but he would almost certainly see a steady diet of breaking balls if he moved to the NL.

Darkstar,

"…hahaha, no kidding. BTW, where you been man?"

Hey dude. I've actually been refraining from posting here because of sheer inanity that I've been seeing lately from malinformed commenters who severely overvalue their teams.

Also, I've been busy with my Strat-O-Matic league which takes up a lot of my baseball thought process lately.

Good seeing you though!

If Bedard doesn't wan't to be a #1 (which he honestly isn't, a strong #2 at best) then I really think he'll end up in a Braves uniform. He'd be the second or third best pitcher in the rotation behind Hudson and Jurrjens and a strong veteran lefty in a young rotation. It just makes too much sense for him not to end up here.

I can't see the Phils bringing up Carrasco this early in his development... They'd be rushing him... Just late last season he was in A ball... He still hasn't figured out his 3rd pitch and is working on it... He needs more seasoning and needs to dominate a level before coming to the show...

I could see the Phils going after someone like Oswalt... This season has been his worst ever and I attribute it to not being in contention... This guy needs to be on a winning team... I would imagine he'd get his mojo back on a contender....

Would Oswalt be a good addition to the Phils in a vacuum? Of course, even though he has been missing fewer bats the past two years.

But he's signed to a very team-friendly deal (a la Peavy) and I believe he has at least a partial no-trade. He'd also probably command at least as much, probably more back in terms of prospects than a CC or Bedard, including Carlos

Calling up a prospect with Carrasco's experience wouldn't be unprecedented. Look at the lift they got last year from Kendrick, who is a far inferior talent, and wasn't much more seasoned at the time of his promotion last year.

What I'm basically saying, I'd rather just give a Bastardo and Carrasco shots instead of trading them for a definite rental #1A pitcher.

Melky doesn't impress me either, but he has "range" supposedly and he's a switch hitter and he's under 27, these things alone raise his value, oh and a little bit of hype sprinkled on top.

I think the Phillies will not be making any of these trades. As good as Hamels is, these pitchers would require him as the centerpiece of the deal and for the names listed, the move would be a lateral one, not a vertical move at all. I've looked at the prospects they have in Philadelphia and it's not enough to get a front line pitcher... They'd have to move a key cog in the lineup to make this type of deal. I know the Mariners can't trade Bedard unless they get a legitimate now pitcher in his early 20s, a potential starting in the field and a bullpen arm, otherwise it will be a huge PR move, I'm sure most players listed will command a similar group of players.

Coming off 4+ losing seasons, I expect Bedard to stay in Seattle as they are going to quickly realize that the market for a rental player is not what it used to be. You can make the trade the Mariners did, if you are looking to keep the guy, but you can't throw 5 prospects out there and resell him at the deadline.

I just can't see this going well for Seattle from a PR standpoint if the buy high and sell low on Bedard. A Jon Lester, Jacoby Ellsbury, AA pitching prospect would probably get the deal done. If you all remember, this was what was offered initially for Johan Santana, but the Twins then asked for Jed Lowrie or Justin Masterson, and I believe at one point wanted all four...

The point being that if that's the starting point for Santana, it's definitely a reasonably finishing point for a Bedard deal. Let's remember that Bedard posted a better ERA then Santana last year and led him in almost every category but IP, also, Santana is only 93 points lower and everyone knows about the .40 that you lose on your ERA changing leagues, so that's a 53 point difference and Bedard's best months are June-September, minus August (but he's been injured in that month twice in his career, so who knows how much that waters down his numbers).

Either way, Bedard is equal to, if not better than Santana over the course of a season in many respects an based off comparing last year and this year, it wasn't a fluke season in 2007. He's actually had one less bad game this year and is relatively close to his ERA from 2007 at this point last season, so it looks like we should be watching his numbers lose altitude in a good way over the final 3+ months.

Just clarifying my belief that Bedard can command top dollar, but it's still not what they paid for him. Also, it would take some very marketable players like the ones listed in order to settle the fans. I've never seen Seattlelites like this in 15 years of watching baseball in the NW.

My picks:

*Bronson Arroyo to the Phillies.
*Derek Lowe back to Boston.
*C.C. Sabathia to New York.
*Erik Bedard stays in Seattle.
*AJ Burnett to Houston.
*Melky goes to Cleveland in the C.C. deal, along with Ian Kennedy, and one of their younger relief pitchers. New York gets a negotiating window because of it and Sabathia's deal is done by July for 6 years. If New York will give him the money, he won't need to test free agency.
*Carlos Silva to the Mets.
*Jarrod Washburn to the Brewers.
*Jose Vidro stays but doesn't vest his contract, retires end of the year or become a pinch-hitter/bench player in the NL.
*Raul Ibanez stays in Seattle.
*Mark Teixeira stays in Atlanta as no one would give much for a two month rental, knowing they couldn't re-sign him, as he's a Boras client and destined for FA.
*IF Bedard were to go to the Dodgers, the starting offer would be Matt Kemp, James Loney, Brad Penny. Penny would give a pitcher with huge ability who has under performed drastically, Kemp is thought to be a cancer on the team and because their disdain has been public, his value has dropped and the Mariners would want a 1B back in any deal for Bedard as young pitching like Kershaw, won't be traded by the Dodgers. The Mariners would probably have to send someone who could play 1B and in this instance it could be Kenji Johjima to allow Martin to play 50-60 games at 1B or it could be Ibanez who would give them a left-handed power bat to plug in at 1B. This seems unlikely all the way around, but these are the variables that would have to be considered.

DarkStar,

Here are the FACTS DarkStar, and it will be the last time I post on this subject. By the way a subject you brought up by posting a ridiculous trade of Hughes, Jackson and 2 other minor leaguers for Sabathia. Hank Steinbrenner at the winter meetings threw the Yankees in the mix for Santana. Fact. When asked he stated he does not want to trade Hughes but would consider it if its the right deal. He supposedly stated this to a beat writer. Brian Cashman soon thereafter stated that Hughes will NOT be involved in any deal for Santana as he and Chamberlain are off the table. Steinbrenner ran off his mouth after a beat reporter asked him if he would compete with the Sox to get Santana. Like I said, Cashman soon thereafter dismissed any rumor of including Hughes in the deal. Now to read what the beat writers say and quote it as gospel is a tad ignorant, especially after listening to Steve Phillips on ESPN, a known NY Yankee hater, state that the Yankees would include Hughes and Kennedy, and Jackson, and Tabata with no source to back it. That week Cashman was on WFAN and was asked by Mike and the Mad Dog if he would include Hughes in the deal and he said Hughes is an untouchable and the Yankees would not include him in a deal. Recently, a week ago Cashman was on Mike and the Mad Dog and was asked again based on Hughes unproductive season plagued by injuries what the trade for Santana consisted of. From the horses mouth, Cashman stated that Hughes was not part of the package, the Twins wanted Hughes and IPK in a deal and the Yankees rejected it. At the 12th hour before the Mets trade the Twins came back and told the Yankees they would remove Hughes from the deal but want Wang to replace him. The Yankees quickly rejected that as well. The Yankees were willing to trade IPK but not Hughes. These are the FACTS! Straight from the horses mouth. Maybe you can go and ask WFAN for the transcripts of those conversations, but this is what I am telling you I heard on the Radio from the GM of the Yankees. I hope that helps you and I truly hope that educates you on the facts of this subject. Calling you a moron was over the top, but I guess listening to posts such as yourself who state things as facts and come up with ridiculous trades can be annoying. I expect ridiculous trade offers from non intelligent fans and believe me we have plenty of spoiled Yankee fans that come up with doozies. But it is quite annoying when other teams continue to ask for the world from the Yankees and settle with allot less from other teams. Good luck with your season and I hope you get back allot for CC

BillyBalla,

Ok, yeah obviously you are not one which we should bother listening to. I mean, take the first two sentences you provide: “Here are the FACTS DarkStar, and it will be the last time I post on this subject. By the way a subject you brought up by posting a ridiculous trade of Hughes, Jackson and 2 other minor leaguers for Sabathia.”

…So, in this one we have the “FACT” you provide where I posted a trade proposal I have never even remotely began to commented on! Infact, I don’t think I have even ever mentioned the Yankees in any single CC thread ~ making it beyond classic really. But seriously, come on man ~ how can you flat out make sh!t up and then call it “FACT”… But hey, when someone doesn’t even know who they are talking to you tells you they heard something on the Radio it must be a “FACT” right… ***rolls eyes***

Anyway, this is how said conversation was described:

“To review, the Yankees were originally talking to the Twins about a deal that would have sent Hughes, Cabrera, pitching prospect Jeff Marquez and a fourth prospect, a player at Class A Charleston, to Minnesota for Santana. But after Andy Pettitte opted to return, Cashman convinced his higher-ups to pull Hughes from the deal. That's when the Twins requested that both Chien-Ming Wang and Kennedy be substituted to replace Hughes, whom they apparently loved.”

I really am not sure why people think the dodgers need starting pitching, its just fine on the Dodgers. There have been rough patches for a few of them, but now they have seemed to have settled down.

Billingsley had a very rough first 4 starts and 6 appearances, and had some bad luck in those games, but since has been very ace like.

Lowe had a very bad early may, but since has been great minus his last start.

Penny started off very well, but had a lingering injury that no one seemed to know about, and after he gets off the dl should be back to normal.

Kuroda has been adjusting to the league, and has not been that bad at all, and has the same thing as penny i believe. They both just need rest.

Kershaw hasnt pitched very well since his call up, but he is striking out almost 9 per 9 innings, and if he can get his walks down, he will start winning.

Kuo and Park can be more than the spot starters they are starting to be, and if lowe and penny are traded, can step in quite easily into the rotation.

Stultz has 2 starts since being called up, pitched freaking great his first start, then a shutout tonight against chicago.

Pitching is not the concern in the slightest.

The biggest concern on the dodgers is last in the nl and maybe mlb in homeruns, and the drop in average and obp.