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9/25/08: Griffin was correct; the Gaston extension implied another year for GM J.P. Ricciardi. Blue Jays president and CEO Paul Godfrey announced today that Ricciardi will be back for the '09 season. You have to figure he's gone if the Jays don't reach the playoffs next year. Will Ricciardi's job status affect his offseason plans?
9/17/08: According to Richard Griffin of the Toronto Star, the Blue Jays will announce an extension for manager Cito Gaston soon. Griffin believes that the timing of the announcement indicates that GM J.P. Ricciardi will be back for the 2009 season. The team's recent success apparently convinced the Jays to give Ricciardi one more chance.
If he does stay, Ricciardi will have to find a starting shortstop and decide whether to offer more money/years to A.J. Burnett.
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"You have to figure he's gone if the Jays don't reach the playoffs next year. Will Ricciardi's job status affect his offseason plans?"
No. Everybody thought and wrote the same thing heading into 2008, that if the Jays didn't make the playoffs JP would be on his way out. While fans may take their issues with him, the higher-ups at Rogers don't really have a reason to. Attendance is up again for the 6th straight season I believe, as are the TV audiences. I'm fairly confident that Mr. Rogers is quite happy with where the team is at right now.
Posted by: 92-93 | September 25, 2008 at 11:19 PM
What a joke. The Jays are packin it in already. I wonder if JP will try and sign Adam Dunn this offseason.
Posted by: twoseamer | September 26, 2008 at 02:00 AM
It makes sense to bring JP back for 2009. If you want to cut bait after 2009, it would make some form of a firesale easier, because at the moment Halladay, Ryan, Downs, Overbay and Rolen's contracts all expire after 2010. The Jays are in a precarious position. The way they played after Cito was hired as well as their run differential suggest an improved record next year, but the statuses of Burnett, McGowan and Marcum negate this improvement.
Either way, I expect the Jays to compete with the Yankees and Rays for 2nd place in the AL East (AKA the wildcard) with Boston being the best team in the division by quite a bit. Of course, the Yankees could add Tiexiera and CC and the Rays could climb closer to a middle-of-the-pack payroll, but at the moment neither teams seems considerably better than the Jays.
Posted by: Jays2010 | September 26, 2008 at 02:12 AM
jays2010 is exactly the kind of fish ricciardi likes to hook and dangle in front of his bosses: "We can compete against the Yankees-Bosox"
add in the annual delusional wins in september and it's "see how close we are?" all over again
of course paul godfrey re-ups/endorses jp. that's because he brought the guy in and needs to save face. (face - and hair - is all that godfrey has, because there's relatively little substance)
also, it's really not about ricciardi's baseball acumen anymore. it's his perception among the canadian baseball public. trust me, the jays are by no means "canada's team"
reality or not, jp radiates a condescending arrogance - like how could us igloo-living hockey-pucks have any clue about the finer points of his game.
this – again, not baseball knowledge – is what makes him seem like a pompous asshole.
Posted by: crash | September 26, 2008 at 03:31 AM
jays2010 is exactly the kind of fish ricciardi likes to hook and dangle in front of his bosses: "We can compete against the Yankees-Bosox"
add in the annual delusional wins in september and it's "see how close we are?" all over again
of course paul godfrey re-ups/endorses jp. that's because he brought the guy in and needs to save face. (face - and hair - is all that godfrey has, because there's relatively little substance)
also, it's really not about ricciardi's baseball acumen anymore. it's his perception among the canadian baseball public. trust me, the jays are by no means "canada's team"
reality or not, jp radiates a condescending arrogance - like how could us igloo-living hockey-pucks have any clue about the finer points of his game.
this – again, not baseball knowledge – is what makes him seem like a pompous -hole.
Posted by: crash | September 26, 2008 at 03:37 AM
Tim I'm curious on what your thoughts are on what the Jays could get for Halladay if he was delt.
The Idea was brought up again by Jeff Blair.
www.fan590.com/media.jsp?content=20080925_195350_11408
I was thinking the Rockies could be a good trading Partner if it were to ever happen. Stewart and Jimenez or something a long those lines.
Posted by: Dev0 | September 26, 2008 at 06:09 AM
And people think Minaya getting extension is bad. This is worse. Riccardi is an a-hole and has only finished as high as 2nd place which was only because the Red Sox tanked in 2006.
Posted by: icedrake523 | September 26, 2008 at 08:25 AM
It's not like Ricciardi has done THAT bad of a job, compared to his predecessors. He's made the team more competitive, although that could have been as a result of higher payroll.
I think the only things that would be a knock on JP are his draft picks (that whole Moneyball thing is done, I tell you) and retaining Gibbons far longer than he should have.
He's signed:
- Burnett (even though he's been hurt quite a bit, he HAS delivered, considering how much he's getting paid)
- Overbay (He was a great contact hitter when he was signed, although I think age has started to catch up to him)
- Glaus/Rolen (Although Rolen has been a little disappointing offensively)
- Got Rios and Wells to sign their extension (Although Wells is starting to get overpaid, they were paying him as their best player, and he was coming off his best season)
- BJ Ryan (ask any scout, when he's healthy, he has the stuff to be a top 5 closer, not to mention they pried him away from a division rival)
So no, I don't think Ricciardi is as bad as people think he is. It's that damn middle infield problem, Lilly/Hillenbrand-Gibbons fiasco, drafting college arms over potential (no one will ever let him live down that Romero over Tulo pick), keeping Gibbons longer than he should have, and the Adum Dunn public diss that has become a knock against him.
Posted by: Ink&Paper | September 26, 2008 at 09:10 AM
"....and the Adum Dunn public diss that has become a knock against him."
Which can be HUGE in dealing with certain FA's and agents.
Posted by: abcrazy4dodgers | September 26, 2008 at 12:33 PM
"I think the only things that would be a knock on JP are his draft picks (that whole Moneyball thing is done, I tell you) and retaining Gibbons far longer than he should have."
-Bleedinblue
Where have you been? He had 3 terrible drafts and then they figured out what was going on and have actually been picking wisely the last 3 years (or so it appears so far).
I don't want to be a JP apologist, but if you throw out the fact we could have had Troy Tulowizki (who hasn't been nearly as good as last year anyway) instead of Ricky Romero (who still might do something) then he's done okay in drafts.
Also - I think you need to be more clear what you mean when you say "moneyball" - if you mean finding exploiting market inefficiencies, then the term still has some currency- if you mean "drafting low-ceiling college kids" then you can just say that and not conflate the two things.
Posted by: fastfuture | September 27, 2008 at 11:29 AM
Haha, you know what I mean: college prospects who can reach the majors quickly.
As for the Romero pick, I believe Ricciardi was going for restocking the farm with pitching arms. I believe, when Tulo was already drafted, that they had Russ Adams already, who they projected as their SS of the future (which hasn't worked out).
I guess we can say that JP does not have good foresight, though.
Posted by: Ink&Paper | February 12, 2009 at 07:50 PM