Cafardo's Latest: Lowe, Lowell, Dye, Saltalamacchia

Finally asking for what Dye is worth. Sonnanstine > Homer Bailey.

i think all these moves the red sox are going to make are going to be parallel to what the yankees do. if the yankees sign sabathia, the red sox will probably go get lowe or bunett, the the yankees get manny, the sox will most likely, even though it would be painful to do, sign tex and somehow pack lowells bags. all the sox moves are going ot revolve around the yankees, thatswhy nothing has happened yet, but watch, if the yankees make alot of moves in the coming weeks, the red sox will have to make alot to in hopes to keep themselves out of third

04Forever,
I disagree on a couple fronts. I do think that if the Yanks sign CC (assuming they will), then I think the Sox sign Lowe, but I don't think Tex has anything to do with Manny. The Sox need another 40 HR guy, Tex is that guy. I also think that the Sox will get a young catcher from somebody, and that also has nothing to do with the Yanks

04 forever
why do the redsox have to "keep pace" with the yankees? They have a much better farm system, and in a much better position than the yankees.
The redsox wont sign Burnett OR lowe (despite who the yankees sign) and they will go after tex full force, despite who the yankees sign.

Its the yankees that need to jockey, to remain out of 3rd. Not the redsox.

"The White Sox would want more than Andy Sonnanstine or Edwin Jackson in exchange for Dye."

LOL. Not. Happening.

Young, cost controlled starting pitching is worth more than DHs/poor defensive RFs who make 11MM/yr and are only under control for 1-2 more years. If the Rays want a DH for the next 2 years for 11-12MM, they can go pick up Giambi or Milton Bradley off the FA market.

I'm not sure about Jackson for Dye straight up, and Jackson is much inferior a pitcher to Sonnanstine.

I dont know why these writers keep writing that Tex will be going to boston, when he ain't. He will either be a Yankee or an Angel. The red sox's will not offer him this giant offer that everyone is saying. They dont need him that bad. The yankees and angels need him more. And the yankees farm system aint that far from the red sox's.

I like Lowell to the Twins. I'd take him over Casey Blake, and he shouldn't cost any top prospects.

The Red Sox, right now, have the stronger team than the Yankees, and also have money to spend. Their primary target should be Teixeira, as the Yankees have made their primary target Sabathia. However, if the Yankees do land Sabathia, the pressure will increase on the Sox to land Lowe/Burnett.

You guys dont have to worry about dumping Lowell because your not getting Tex, so you dont need to trade any players.

Before a Boston fan gets defensive allow me to correct myself. Lowell's slugging numbers are better at Fenway not "only" good at Fenway.

Lowe better now than four years ago, thats a joke. Anybody who pitches in the minor league NL will improve his numbers, the NL is a joke and Lowe is no better now more likely worse. Thanks for the memories but stay in the minor NL league if you know whats best for you.

The AL East is a crapshoot. Every team will have its doubts, and there are three very strong teams.

Why would the Yankees, if inclined to do so, not be able to get CC, Burnett, Pettite and Tex? Are we broke or something? And guess what? it wouldn't cost them much more than what they spent on payroll last year:

2008 payroll= 209 mil
minus 85 mil off the books= 124 mil committed
CC= 25 mil per (est)
Burnett= 18 per (est)
Pettite= 16 per (est)
Tex= 23 per (est)
Swisher= 5 mil

totals 87 mil + 124 committed= 212 mil (3 mil over last years payroll).

DominicanYanks,
They dont have the memory to remember things like that. Don't forget yankee fans are the best in baseball, we know are knowledge and believe in are team no matter what(unlike red sox fans who started to boo Ortiz last year).

YanksFanSince78,
Just think if we sign Tex and AJ we would have a payroll around 175-180 million. Next thing you know the mets would have the highest payroll and then baseball can get off are backs about spending money.

Pettitte would be good in the 5th spot only if the yankees signed 1 starter. But if they signed 2 pitchers they should let him walk.

Rasner is in japan now.

"Rasner is in japan now."

I know. I meant similar pitchers, AAAA guys, etc. Guys a 200MM team should NOT be relying on to make starts in crunchtime.

Johns,
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/621317/baseball_ranking_mlbs_farm_systems.html?page=6&cat=14

Before the 2008 season this site ranked the yankees 5th and the red sox's 4th. I said the yankees were not far from the red sox's farm system. I never said they had a better one.

First off we lost more players to injures then the red sox(Jeter,A-rod,Wang,
Hughes,Kennedy,Matsui,Posada,Bruney).

And no one is crying about anything. If anything red sox fans and other fans cry about how much the yankees spend and make.

RED SOX DYNASTY: "Can someone please get a hanky for the Evil Empire to cry in!"

Hey, cut 'em a break. The Yankees were the only team to have injuries last year.

Anyone here know where Boras is a season ticket holder?

"Anyone here know where Boras is a season ticket holder?"

I'm 90% sure its the Angels.

You Yankee fans are pathetic. Boston sucks and we know nothing about sports yet our teams knew enough about what they were doing to win 6 championships in the last seven years. Not to mention coming an inning away from another world series and a miraculous catch away from another superbowl. How many have you won over the last seven years? You don't have to reply to that question as we all know the answer. Go spend your money stupidly as usual and when you do finish in third again come talk to me. The Red Sox have a much better farm system which is why the Yankees aren't getting any trade offers and the Sox are. I am a born and bred true blue Sox fan from Boston, ten minutes from Fenway and I usually go out of my way to tell everyone around me to stop counting the yankees out. Stop insulting the Yankees. I never say Yankees suck because it's not true. I have an immense respect for the Yankees especially your captain who is one of the purest talents in the league since Mantle. But it is very hard for the people in Boston who feel the same as me to actually say this because you guys are so freaking obnoxious. It's bad enough you can't admit when the Sox are better than you but now we're seeing the same thing with the Rays. I just bet $100 on the Jets to beat the Broncos because I am not blinded by stupidity and can see they are a great team this year who actually has an edge on the Pats for the division and Superbowl chances. Not that I am counting the Pats out but I take the time to say "wow, they're a great team this year we have work to do." Never once have I heard Yank fans say anything about the Sox that wasn't insulting. Why don't you guys just grow up and take it for what is is. You finished third last year, therefore until you finish in a better position you are a third place team. Take a lesson from your captain and tip your cap to the Sox and Rays for getting it done better last year, and hope things are different this year. Stop crying and whining about how the Sox fans are proud of our team. We should be considering what thy have accomplished.

Whoever signs Man-NY would be better off offering him a 4 year deal w/ NO options. Offering him anything that doesnt end when he's 40 or needs an option to be picked up might put that team in the same situation he was in with Boston.

RSD. That is an absolute lie. Hughes fastball was in the 94-96 range prior to getting hurt i07. When he returned it topped out around 92-93 mph. In spring training of 08 it was back around 94-95 mph. After coming back from his 08 broken rib injury it was back down around 90-93 mph. During the AFL it was back around 95-96. Please dont just say something just to say. Stop drinking the hatorade dude.

Why do people waste their time with certain posters who need to be banned?

RSD: So every article I show you, every scouting report is wrong right? I did say Hughe's fastball drooped to low 90's after he returned back from his injury but of course the Yankee hate will force you to keep spewing the lies. Not that big of deal anyway. Your like the toilet tissue that sticks to the bottom of your shoe when you leave the mens room.

maybe...

You've probably been in more "downward facing dog" positions then most yoga instructors on the west coast dude.

Now on to more intelectual conversations. DOes anyone think CC and Tex will be locked up before Xmas?

I think that Boston should find a balance and sign Lowe since he's a sinker ball pitcher which fits small ballpark of boston perfectly. sign him for 3 year maximum since he'll be 36 next year. By the time of 3 year contract expired, masterson (another sinker ball pitcher) will be fully ready to take over.
As for Tex, if boston can sign him, that'll be the best, if not, Boston should be fine...hopefully

04forever,

I usually feel that you are sensible but strongly disagree with your sentiment that "i think all these moves the red sox are going to make are going to be parallel to what the yankees do."

That is what the old Red Sox management would have done (see: Offerman, Jose) Now, the Red Sox don't worry about the Yankees, and they make the best moves for their organization. One might argue that the Yankees still make moves based on what the Red Sox do (see: Igawa, Kei)

Jesus christ, yanks12025, will you please STFU. Every fuc#ing comment in every fuc#ing thread is you reminding everyone that tex will either be an "angel or a yankee." Seriously. Yeah, we get it, you're an idiot. Go back to espn for christ's sake.

I like how Boston doesn't go hard on each free agent that Yankees is interested. Boston front desk management just wanna go in and drive up the price and contract year for other teams to compete. In the meantime, Boston management looks at the details of how they can improve their team step by step without thinking that "wow, a big free agent is gonna be the saviour of the team."

i've always been a fan of willie bloomquist, he's always been a little underrated in my books, he's the supersub we want, he can play the outfield, if jacoby or jd get hurt, and he can play infield if someone needs a rest there too. now im not as big a fan of salty, but those are some pretty intense numbers, i've heard some rumblings on how he may not be able to stick at catcher, which makes me concerned about finding teks replacement, at least until mark wagner or luis exposito are ready, since they're both in A ball right now. i would love to have taylor teagarden, but salty would be a great guy to have for the team, and he's wants to learn from tek'

"I'm not sure about Jackson for Dye straight up, and Jackson is much inferior a pitcher to Sonnanstine."

LOL are you serious? You dont get a 30HR 100RBI man in Milton Bradley or Giambi. Dye is one of the best hitters in the game and you're questioning Edwin Jackson straight up? Thats ok, good luck finding a DH on the market that just hit .292 34HR and 96RBI's

It is funny watching yankees fans live in the last millenium. What do past accomplishments have to do with how good your team is now? What I think you keep forgetting is that while you finished third with a decent record and whatnot you still were clearly worse than the two teams ahead of you. Two teams that have reason to expect improvements as well. Can you really sign enough players to clearly push you past both of them going into the year? Doubtful. No one with half a brain is saying you will not have a shot but it will take a pretty insane spending spree to make you anything but third place on most lists going into the year.

Do u think that the Padres will pry to get Jarod Salty???

"will it be possible to trade JD drew for vernon well from toronto?"

That deal would be a MASSIVE win for the Jays. And doesn't make that much sense for the Red Sox, since Ellsbury is their CF and Wells doesn't produce that well for a corner OF.

"LOL are you serious? You dont get a 30HR 100RBI man in Milton Bradley or Giambi. Dye is one of the best hitters in the game and you're questioning Edwin Jackson straight up? Thats ok, good luck finding a DH on the market that just hit .292 34HR and 96RBI's"

First of all, I'm not a Rays fan. So this isn't me trying to be a homer here.

Let's assume Dye's option is picked up, giving him a 2/23.5 contract. Pretty fair? OK. That's fair market value for a DH like Dye. You shouldn't be giving up much in terms of trade pieces to pay fair market value for a player.

Dye is a VERY bad defensive RF. He needs to be DHing, he just can't b/c of Thome/Konerko.

So, Giambi/Bradley might not give you as much production out of DH. They also will cost about the same as Dye, coming on a 2 year deal (this is just a rough estimate, but I don't think they get more than 2/24, etc. with the large scope of FA DH options) But, the difference between Giambi/Bradley and Dye won't be enough to warrant giving up your #1 trade chip (Jackson) AND paying market value for when you have other needs (bullpen) to fill.

You may ask, why did Matt Holliday command the bounty he did? Because, he's paid about the same as Dye (13MM for Holliday, 11.5MM for Dye), puts up similar numbers, is an elite defender, AND is an SB threat. Dye only does one of the three. Holliday is a 4-5 win player, Dye is a 2-3 win player.

YanksFanSice78...yup..just keep staying in your glorious past while every other team is moving forward. When you get old, you can tell all your grandchildren how good NY teams were , while everyone else will be saying how great boston was and IS.

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Wow is it possible for a Yankee fan to have an intelligent conversation with Yankee haters...damn? Did I say the Yanks were a better team than the Sucks or Rays or did I say that we would've given them a much better run had they had a healthy Wang, Posada and Matsui? Can anyone deny that the Yanks would've been a better team with them? WOuld that not have bridged the gaps (6 gm differential) between the Yanks and Red Sox or (9 games) between the Rays?

Are you people that biased?

I'll say it again so nothing is misconstrued. The Rays and the Sucks are a better comprised team on paper than the Yanks. Does that mean that every other team in the AL East has to roll over and just forfeit their season. Can you honestly say the Rays can be penciled in as the champs again next year? Can you say that Boston doesn't have any question marks (Drew, Ortiz and beckett's health? Starting catcher? A rookie SS who hit .258)? C'mon people.

"With the question marks the Yankees have right now there is no chance they finish higher than third and again"

Didn't..umm...the Rays, Phillies, and White Sox have major question marks coming into this season? Didn't they all make the playoffs?

I couldn't agree more. Their rotation is unstable at best, especially losing Mussina and probably Pettite, who's best days are behind him anyway. The Sox have a good mix of youth and are pretty deep and well rounded, The Spankees are really scrambling.
If they sign all these savior free agents, their farm system will be even thinner down the road with the loss of draft picks.

I don't think they are hopeless at all, but I certainly don't see them as better than the the Rays or the Sox. I don't hear what I want to hear, it's just a fact. They have a chance just like everyone else but it seems that you think they are better than they are.
I agree they will be better if they stay healthy but so will the Red Sox(Drew, Lowell, Ortiz, Beckett, Wakefield, Lugo) and Rays (Crawford). Face it the Yankees are starting behind the 8 ball and they should hope to sign some big ticket guys to compete. The point is, they NEED to sign those guys to compete, we don't. But, it's played on the field and not on paper right? (See: The Rays)

Yeah that was my whole point. The way RSD was making it sound was as if we went from being a playof team to a team destined for .500. Even with all of what we went thru last year we still only finished 6 games behind the Sox and 9 behind the Rays. Things aren't that bleek and there's no need for anyone to panic. Just make a couple of changes. I think some of the moves the Yanks make this year will put us in a much better position for a few years, not just next year. Also, we can pick up 3 or 4 FA this year and still come out at the same payroll as last year. And in winter of 2009 we let Damon and Matsui walk, will priobably get picks for them and will have another 25 mill coming off the books and can resign Nady if we want (age 30) and will have Swisher under contract at age 29.

RSD: Coming from a diehard Sox fan, for the love of god never post again. Everything you say is simply insulting.

The same goes for you Yanks12025, you're no better then RSD.

Thanks guys for totally ruining this post. Alot of people enjoy coming to this website and reading INTELLIGENT conversation in the comments section. Instead we have to level through 50 posts of Yankees and Sox fans insulting each other. Do that crap elsewhere, the only appropriate discussion in this place should be INTELLIGENT debate on trade and free agent ideas.

I've tried to defend Red Sox fans on here, but RSD is sure doing everything he can to make that impossible. Go get him Yanks fans.

With that said, I wouldn't mind Lowe back in Boston. Nor would I mind Willy Bloomquist, he would be a great utility guy.

And Colin, you say you are a diehard sox fan yet seeing bitter rivals argue here upsets you? Welcome to reality!

Posted by: RED SOX DYNASTY! | December 01, 2008 at 05:37 AM

I couldn't care less if Yankees and Red Sox fans argue. Just don't argue here. Does this post say "Please Argue About the Yankees vs. Red Sox Here"? No. That's not what this site is for. All you are capable of here is insult, you can't go one post without insulting the Yankees.

A REAL fan is able to have an intelligent discussion with the fan of another team without it falling into schoolyard insults. The reason why no one here takes you seriously, or even listens to you, is because you're incapable of being rational and/or mature. Learn those things, and then perhaps someone here will take you seriously. You disgrace all Red Sox fans.

I think chances are pretty good that Tek accepts arbitration if they offer it. I don't think there are many teams willing to give him more money on a multi-year deal than he could get in the 1 arb year. But if he does get arb, I doubt his salary goes down, despite his bad numbers. It's very rare that someone gets their salary reduced through arb.

I think Tek would be fine staying the captain, tutoring his eventual replacement and take his $10M and Boston would be more than happy to bring him back for only 1 season.

LOL,The NL is the Minor leagues of baseball!!Maybe you overslept and missed out on the World Series winner! They actually won without home diels advantage.And beating the team that finished ahead of the Red Sox and Yankees.Go ahead and spend all your money !