C.C. Sabathia Rumors: Thursday

Happy Thanksgiving, Tim! I'm a long time reader and first time poster, and it's awesome your on here today! Thanks again, and keep up the great work! You have all of our support.

C.C. should be very thankful this Thanksgiving. Even without an official offer by the Angels, NY has already decided to raise the stakes "if" the L.A. were to join the bidding. I bet C.C.'s already hoping that the Tex goes to Boston.

Or we can let Coke start, since we do have Marte Locked up. Manny plus Texiera and Sheets are all we need. We can always trade Matsui, I am not saying we're getting anything good back. Just frees up space for Manny to DH everyday.

RSD: If memory serves correctly you shouldnt be bashing the Yankees because at one point in 2006 your Red Sox were in the same position. Now i am not a Yankee fan but i do remeber the Yankees running away with the division in 2006 and the Red Sox coming in 3rd as well. The Yankees i fear will look to strike big time in the free agent market and will look to acquire the best talent in the draft after being hurt big time by injuries this season. The Red Sox are a great team they have a tremendous chemistry they always have but this team is getting old and if the Yankees acquire 2 pitchers say (Sabathia and Burnett) along with a power hitter (Ramirez) the Sox should be scared and the Mets as well.

Happy turkey day all, all the Yankee hatred is to be expected with our rotation the way it is, but don't get too used to it.

Cash will do something; don't worry red socks nation, we're coming.

"The Red Sox are a great team they have a tremendous chemistry they always have but this team is getting old and if the Yankees acquire 2 pitchers say (Sabathia and Burnett) along with a power hitter (Ramirez) the Sox should be scared and the Mets as well."

You do realize that those are same MASSIVE ifs?

If the Yankees sign Burnett, it'd likely be for either 4/72 or 5/80, both deals look like likely disasters for whoever signs him.

As for Sabathia, it's not sure thing that he ends up in New York, and if he does the price will be exorbitant.

If the can land Sabathia, I'd find it highly unlikely that they would be willing to give Manny the 3-5 years at around $25M that he's desiring.

I just don't think your scenario is likely.

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I think the Yanks should make an offer of 3/30 to Sheets with this incentive. Offer traditional incentives likes innings pitched, etc. In addition add an overiding incentive where at the end of every year, if he is voted top 3 in the Cy Young award then the Yanks pay the difference between his guaranteed 10 mil and that years top 3 salaries. So let's say Sheets finished top 3 in the voting in 09 and that CC, Santana and Zito earned the top 3 salaries in 09. Average out the their top 3 salaries and subtract Sheets 10 mil guaranteed and that's his bonues at the end of the year. This way, every year he has a chance of receieving among the top 3 salaries for a pitcher. Thoughts?"

I actually think this is a very, very interesting concept. Sheets will be very hard-pressed to land a three year deal, and even though it's likely he could get far more than $10M a year, if you offered him huge incentives like the ones you described, that could make for some very interesting negotiations.

I really don't understand the whole Burnett being considered a far better value than Sheets thing.

I mean I know that Burnett was healthier in 2008, and Sheets hasn't posted 200 innings since 2004, but the guy came close in 2008, and when he's healthy he's one of the most dominating pitchers in baseball. Even in the AL East, Sheets has the stuff to completely dominate, and if he could stay healthy he would be the second best pitcher on the market. I think that sort of deal would be a solid risk for the Yankees to take on, and a much better option than throwing huge money at a different high risk guy like Burnett.

YanksFanSince78,

You gotta admit that the Red Sox win in the whole who has better young talent on their MLB team thing.

Boston has Lester, Matsuzaka, Pedroia, Lowrie, Ellsbury, Masterson, Papelbon, Youkilis, Buchholz and Bay.

New York has Joba, Hughes, Kennedy, Coke, Cano, Swisher, and I guess Melky and Gardner.

Don't lie to yourself..

a lot of people expect things to be the same way next year. Injuries happen and players underperform. You never know what is going to happen in baseball. The Yanks had a season full of injuries and underperformance and still won 89 games with guys like Ponson and Rasner pitching. Fuerthermore Beckett will soon be a FA I think, and look for him to ask for a big contract as well. My point here is, Beckett could be let go just like they did with Nomar, Pedro, Damon and Manny.

I'm going to stay away from this Yankees-Red Sox discussion. The fans from those two teams always start to get all emotional and stuff and the arguments end up boiling down to arbitrary personal opinions. Have fun.

I hope you Sox fans really don't think that your team is exactly young... For all intents and purposes for the guys in the mound the ages are almost identical...

but, if you look at the starting 9

LF - Bay (30)
CF - Ellsbury (25)
RF - Drew (33)
3B - Lowell (34)
SS - Lowrie (24)
2B - Pedroia (25)
1B - Youk (29)
C - Tek (36) / Cash (30)
DH - Ortiz (33)

29.8 with Tek; 29.2 w/Cash

LF - Damon (35)
CF - Melky (24) / Gardner (25)
RF - Nady (30)
3B - Arod (33)
SS - Jeter (34)
2B - Cano (26)
1B - Swisher (28)
C - Posada (37)
DH - Matsui (34)

31.2 w/ Melky; 31.3 w/Gardner

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So the starting 9 for the Sox, is what 2 years younger?

Not to mention that 3 of the starting 9 for Boston are all coming off subpar injury years.

Versus the 2 that NY has... and I don't think anyone on either team has been injured more in their career then JD Drew...

For the pitching staff (currently listed on their ESPN rosters).

Avg Age of Pitching:

27.72 boSox
26.44 NYY

Total Team age:

Avg NY age 28
Avg Bos age 28.2

So; who exactly has the "younger" team?

correction:

So you think the Sox have spent less on payroll from 1919-2003 then NY has from 2001-2008 ??? lol

But im also sure that the Yankees not winning a World Series since 2000 (the last of 3 in a row and the 3rd of 4 straight appearances) is a lot worse then the Cubbies not winning in 100 years too...

The amount of hypocrisy in baseball is ridiculous. At least we can see and criticize our faults. Funny how you guys can't.

dmitch86, the Yanks don't have a 207 million payroll in case you didn't know

That figures.. (Twins Fan)

I won't begin to say that Derek Jeter is a defensive shortstop - however last year he had been hurt...

He's just sour they're owner is to cheap to pay for their own players.. and probably that they haven't even gone to a WS since Puckett patrolled CF.. It's ok -- they'll get there sometime in the distant future..

btw.. that bad shortstop will be a first ballot HOF.. when was the last time you guys had a first ballot in MN? we have (2) patrolling the left side of our infield... Heck, he might even beat Pete's all time hit record... I bet you'd love to see that...

Yeah the TERRIBLE Yankees that had their best hitters and best pitcher sidelined for most of the year won a pitiful 89 games... still more then your Twinkies.. Considering NY had the 7th best record in baseball..

I love the Yankee haters.. envy makes people do some interesting things...

thebebe666 - do you really think that your team is going to sign every free agent on the market this offseason? ha ha yankees fans really think you are going to get cc sabathia and tex huh..geez im with scribbletone on this one.have fun debating that one

Oh and for those boston fans out there, after ny taxes which are the highest in the country, The yankees don't have the highest payroll, but we compensate for how great our state is by giving them the tax money in their contract to even out what they would get elsewhere. Deal with it, NY is greatest city in the US with the best teams, Boston is just a second rate city with a less storied franchise that couldnt compete with the yankees any day of the week

"So you think the Sox have spent less on payroll from 1919-2003 then NY has from 2001-2008 ??? lol"

yes i would think that's true. count it up. i'd almost guarantee the sox spent less in that time.

you go ahead and count it up..

A.. it's the same reason that I was at a game in TB (Boston vs TB) and it was actually an off day for NY, and people chanted "Yankees suck" for 5 minutes.. or how i am at the Giants/Bucs playoff game last year wearing a Giants shirt and someone looks at me and says "YANKEES SUCK" .. lol...

It's just the way it is, i guess.

It's because you're wrong.