Mets Interested In Javier Vazquez?

Flame me now.

Heilman had a BABIP of .326 in 2008. Bloody unlucky, along with that injury. Vazquez was unlucky too, but I don't see the difference b/w Heils Bells and Vaz being one worth 10++MM and prospects (Heilman's value is at a big low right now, it will cost more to acquire Vazquez, but I'm 90+% sure he'll be rebounding).

I'm guessing Heilman + Niese/Evans gets it done, with Sox maybe eating some salary (they should eat some, to bring back a good prospect).

I don't think this will happen Unless we get real good prospects.

Quick addendum: When i speak of the differences b/w Heilman and Vaz, I mean him in the rotation, not the pen.

I see a 4.70/1.40 line, with ~200 IP as attainable for Heilman. The definition of an innings eater.

I could definitely see the Braves getting involved. Braves have the depth to make a trade without using one of the big guns.

Tyler Flowers looks like a starting point, as AJ's possible replacement.

Speaking completely from a Pro-Sox point of view I would love to see if Kenny Williams, the master mind that he is, could pull off a trade that sent Javy to the Mets, maybe with another player, and in return we got a package that surrounded Daniel Murphy. He was brought up as a third basemen. The kid is an obvious talent emerging from A- to the majors in 2008. If Kenny could pull off a trade to acquire him I'd elect him as President of the United States.

Tough- Maybe if the Sox ate all salary...hmm..that's a head scratcher. I'd say eat all the salary, but its the Mets, and they have cash to burn. If Omar doesn't want Murphy playing 2B, then the best thing to do is trade him though (although I think Murph should be given 2B). If Kenny can pull that off, awesome. I would like it if the A's also inquired about Murphy, but that's just me.

I really, really like Murphy as a player, by the way.

daggins- Didn't know about the catchers in the Sox system. Enlighten?

I was pointing to Flowers b/c AJ is only signed through 2010, which is when Tyler would be ready. Obviously, other pieces would have to be added to a potential trade though.

"No slight to Flowers but the Sox have a couple decent catchers in their system."

What?!? No they dont, what catchers are you talking about, Cole Armstrong, a 26 year old career minor leaguer who is a career .257BA nad .716 OPS?? Just becasue someone has a godd AFL performance does not make him a prospect. The Sox have absolutely nothing with regards to a catcher and a replacement will have to be found for AJ. I think Flowers as a starting point is fair.

Melonis Rex -

I agree with you that Murphy should be given that second base position in New York but like I said before Kenny WIlliams has made a habit of acquiring people that seem to be untouchable. Murphy would fit in perfectly with the Sox because he can play the 2 Positions that are hurting in the Sox infield. It may be a pipe dream but it is something to get excited about for this off-season... Setting the expectations high that is all I am doing

Tough-

I didn't say Murph is untouchable. I think Kenny has the acumen to pry Murphy away from the Mets. Multiple teams should/will be calling Omar over Murph, that's almost a given, and the Sox should be one of them. It's not a pipe dream, but it will require some manuvering by Kenny.

If the Mets don't want him starting at 2B (which they might not), they should trade him, and a trade for an SP++ is ideal.

Only way I do this deal is if Castillo is involved.

Tough-

I think so too, its just not set in stone. I don't think the Mets give him LF; I think they go after a big bopper for there (unless they go for someone like Orlando Hudson for 2B and possibly relegate Castillo to the bench/dump him). I've gotten the vibe that the Mets might not be willing to give him the 2B role, at which he would be best suited traded to a team that needs a 3B (Sox, A's, etc.)

"Vazquez is not a bad contract.

Castillo is a bad contract."

Vazquez is a bad contract. Not nearly as bad as Castillo, but still a bad contract. He is the antithesis of clutch, and Ozzie hates him. The White Sox have already come right out and said they want him gone.

As far as the braves go, if the Peavy pursuit seems that It will take to long or that it might be too much of a loss to get him, and the braves also cannot land Maggs decently, how about making a trade to the sox for Vazquez and Dye? I think Kelly Johnson, Flowers, and Medlen would definately be an attractive offer to start out with. The braves answer their two biggest questions while also keeping Yunel and all of our best prospects. The Whitesox fill a lot of holes, as they get a near ready Catcher/DH, they get their second baseman of the future so they can move Alexi to short, and they get a young controllable swingman who could excel at reliever or starter. I think the trade would definately benefit both teams.

Sox need a 3b of the future. They have Gordon Beckham waiting in the wings and is projected to be their starting 2b by 2010. If Getz steps up and shows he can play 2b at a high level in the majors I could see Beckham getting moved to 3rd base. The Sox have older players in Thome Konerko and Dye. Thome will be gone probably after this year so Konerko or Dye would move to DH. Sox definitely need to pick an OF either way. Swisher can take over at first if it is Konerko but leaves a hole in the OF. 3B and either RF / CF is the main targets for the Sox I believe.

Their pitching staff is young with Danks, Floyd, Buehrle, and what is seeming to be Poreda and Richard next year. It maybe a bit too young in my opinion but I have lost all confidence in Javy. The guy is the most hated player in Chicago right now. He is worthless to this organization.

The pitching staff is very young and talented, but putting Poreda and Richard in the rotation gives you four lefties, three of which have similar styles of pitching (Danks, Buehrle, Richard). I could see Poreda being put in the rotation because he pitches differently than the others, but I would imagine the Sox would try to trade Richard and get a right-handed pitcher in return.

Taking Castillo's contract back in a Vaz deal is a pipe dream, however, trading for Vaz isn't.

drumzalicious, The White Sox need a CF, 3B, 2B, and another starter and perhaps bullpen help but who doesn't need bullpen help.

They have potential internal options at most of those positions particulalry CF, 3B, and 2B, but they are not 'sure things', if you will as far as getting the job done.

Poreda's a reliever, not a starter.

Dye is the Sox fans least wanted slugger to move, we'd prefer Konerko and Thome out instead.

And when I heard of the Mets being interested in Javy, Castillo and Heilman was the first thing that popped into my head. We'd likely need to throw in another player for it to work, though.

"Poreda's a reliever, not a starter. "

he started in the minors this year..... so i dont know where you're getting that info from... sure hes worked out of the pen in the AFL, but that doesnt mean anything.

and as a sox fan, we wont get jack sh*t for thome or konerko, so id be willing to move dye if it was for useful parts.

I don't think Kenny will trade Vasquez for a bad contract, a reliever and prospects. The Sox are not rebuilding they want to win the division. Kenny will make a trade that helps the team win now or he won't make a trade.

bravesbeast,

I think your trade would work. Would you rather have Dye than Swisher if either is avaiable?

Love JD, but Swisher is a lot younger and cheaper and may well put up comparable numbers the next two years.

Mets get: Vazy
Sox get: Niese, Smith, Heilman
Or
Reds get: Vaz + Dye + big cash
Sox get: Bailey, EE, DIckerson, Stubbs
This is prolly ridicilis (like the back of yo head, lol) but idk .

El Duque wants to pitch again next year. He and Vasquez could complete the Met-inos rotation.