Towers Finds Third Team For Cubs-Peavy Deal?

Who is the third team? Kind of thing the A's do.

The Angles, it was reported by CBS sportsline. That's my guess.

From http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ti-padres111208&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Peavy gave his list of clubs he’d play for another good, hard look, and the New York Yankees continued to push hard, despite failing to make Peavy’s roster. Others have inserted themselves as well, including the Boston Red Sox and pitching-thin New York Mets.

my guess is the Rays, IMO they have the deepest farm system in all of MLB

This doesn't make sense to me. In order for a third team to get involved, the Cubs will have to offer them something of value.

The Padres are a rebuilding team; they want prospects. The Cubs are a competitive team; they want players to help them now.

How would getting another team involved help? Any rebuilding team will want prospects from the Cubs. If they don't have the prospects to get Peavy, obviously they don't have any prospects to spare.

If the third team is competitive, they'll want players that can help them now. Unless the Cubs have some redundancies I'm unaware of, they don't have any MLB players to spare.

I just don't see how this works. Am I missing something obvious? The Cubs send their prospects to a team C, team C sends theirs to the Pads, the Pads send Peavy to the Cubs and Giles or Greene to team C maybe?

If the third team involved is from the NL, that GM should go down as one of the worst in all of sports.

Explain to me how a third party could even be interested in doing such a trade. They do realize that they would not be getting Peavy, but the trash that was used to try and get Peavy at first. LOL at whoever is actually following through with such a task.

dchillis -

you got a link?

"One report, courtesy of Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com, suggests the Angels have moved on to CC Sabathia as their main target. It is conceivable they could sign Sabathia and also acquire Jake Peavy from the Padres, who have multiple needs the talent-rich Angels could satisfy."

ODP,

What you're missing is the following (i'll try and break it down as simply as possible):

Cubs want major league talent ready to win a WS.

Padres want young pitching, SS, CF talent. Cubs can offer SS and CF.

Team C: Has young near MLB ready pitching depth that has a weakness where the Cubs have a strength in their farm (Vitters). This allows the Cubs to trade Vitters to a team that needs a top 3b prospect in return for a deep SP farm going to the Padres.

I think this should make sense to you, but basically, where one team is weak (Cubs and farm starting pitching), another will be strong. Matching a 3rd team for pitching just means they need some minor league pieces the Cubs already have.

BDlugz, the reason I'm skeptical of that is because how often do GMs trade marque prospects for marque prospects? It might be a good idea to do it, but there's too much risk of looking like an idiot for most GMs to be willing to do it.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081126&content_id=3694591&vkey=news_ana&fext=.jsp&c_id=ana&partnerId=rss_ana

ODP, not often at all, that's why the Cubs were such a long shot. It does happen, but you are totally correct; very few and far between.

ESPECIALLY someone willing to give up top Starter for a top 3B prospect. I really still don't buy this. It's probably just Towers working on the price again. Don't you just love those magical "mystery" teams?

some of you are so delusional.
this is towers' way of trying to get who he wants out of atlanta. look for the braves to get the deal done by next week.

some of you are so delusional.
this is towers' way of trying to get who he wants out of atlanta. look for the braves to get the deal done by next week.

Posted by: ramonskee | November 27, 2008 at 01:32 AM

LOL...Towers already tried that method and as you can see, it FAILED miserably.

It would seem to me the most likely 3rd team would be Oakland or San Fran. I don't see the Dodgers matching up unless it is like Kershaw and Either.

How about:

LA gets Peavy and Green
SD gets: Kershaw, Either, and Hu

It might make since if it was the Angels... We could offer a pitching prospect such as Nick Green or Nick Adenhart and could receive a guy like Khalil Greene or Kevin Kouzmanoff (more likely Kouz since we already have Wood and Aybar at SS). I think it would make more sense for the Angels to acquire Peavy by themselves but a trade like this could work if they just wanted C.C.

BucSox, are you kidding me? The only player of value the Dodgers would get is Peavy, while they would be giving two of the most valuable young players in the entire league and one pretty good prospect. I wouldn't do that if I was Coletti.

To run down a few possiblities that have been mentioned:
Rays: def have the young pitching to spare, Davis, Niemann, Jackson ect. but why acquire a 3B prospect?
Marlins: I think this could be in the ballpark, but it wouldn't be for Uggla and Hermida. maybe Hermida, more likly Ross + some of their young pitching.
A's: also make a ton of sense could use a 3B of the future and have some pitching prospects to spare. Not sure if Beane would want to give up on Anderson/Cahill, maybe move simmons but I dont know.
The O's are a team I could see interested in Vitters they def. have a void there and I know they were high on him in that draft. Don't think they'd give up on Tillman so Arrieta would have to be the guy but might not be the best move to weaken their pitching depth.

the third team is the royals, i just finish talking to JJ picollo and this is how it will be if everything goes as plan:
cubs get peavy
padres get pitching prospecte carlos rosas, danny cortes and 1B kila kalahuie
Royales get marshell and fontenot

I don't know why they would do it but the third team could be the Reds.

Jockitchy has said if he trades for a Third Baseman or Short Stop that he was going to have to be young. I would say Josh Vitters at 19 years of age woud be considered young.

So, maybe instead of the Reds trading Homer Bailey to the White Sox for Jermaine Dye, he would go to the Padres and Vitters would be coming back to the Reds.

Again, I don't know why the Reds would do this because it would allow their Division rival to acquire a really good Starting Pitcher.

Maybe the thinking is, the Reds know they aren't going to be in contention until at least 2010 or 2011 anyway and by then, the Cubs might be old and falling back in the Division while the Reds would still be young.

I mean, the Reds would potentially have Yonder Alonso at First Base, Joey Votto in Left Field, Drew Stubbs in Center Field, Vitters at Thrid with Edison Volquez and Johnny Cueto at the top of the rotation.

Who knows.

BTW, last post was to noemarquez

The Royals thing is obvious BS. As for the Reds, besides the inter division thing, Bailey isn't really even that highly regarded anymore, is he?

Then again, I don't really see the Twins giving up one of their young starters for Vitters and Greene. Vitters is probably more than a year away also.

OldDutchPots,

Well, on a couple of Reds boards they are arguing back and forth over it. Some say he is a bust and should be traded to the White Sox for Jermaine Dye if the rumor is true.

Others, however, say since he is still only 22, inexpensive and hasn't suffered any serious injuries yet, then that makes him a still highly rated prospect and that the Reds should either keep him or get more than just Dye if Bailey is traded.

I think Bailey is a bust for the Reds but would be perfect for a West Coast team that plays in a large ball park where Home Runs are much harder to hit than in Cincinnati.

This is why I think Bailey would have a LOT of value to the Reds if they were talking to a West Coast team about him.

"BucSox, are you kidding me? The only player of value the Dodgers would get is Peavy, while they would be giving two of the most valuable young players in the entire league and one pretty good prospect. I wouldn't do that if I was Coletti."

Seriously what package could the Dodgers come up with that would come anywhere near what Atlanta can offer?

Either is really good I agree but bringing Manny back should be their first priority and if that happens they have too many outfielders and noone is going to take Jones' or Pierre's awful contracts.

Kershaw, well simply put he would be the centerpiece, unless they were willing to part with Billingsly, yeah didn't think so.

Hu is all defense he shown no ability to hit MLB pitching. Green is short term until Dejesus arrives then he is gone

Bottom line here, without Kershaw and Either minimum I don't see the Padres trading an ace inside of their own division

what the hell would the point be to trade a lefty who in two yrs will be better than who they are going to get to a division rival? u must be kidding. if the dodgers offered mcdonald, elbert, hu, and d. young, that could prob get peavy. honestly, this wouldnt make sense anymore. alot of fans, me included, wanted peavy. but now that the dodgers arent getting furcal, they can use berroa and hu at 2nd/ss respectivly and use all the money for manny and cc. there is no need to trade away top players for a player IN THE DIVISION. if they want, they could sign hudson for leadoff and use a stopgap of berroa and hu at SS, allowing dejesus to come up when ready. no reason for the dodgers to give kershaw for peavy straight up, let alone ethier to also get greene. one of the stupidest trade proposal yet

OK, this might be out there, but maybe in order to make this deal happen (that is, if the Cubs are that serious and determined to get Peavy), the Cubs trade a regular from their ML roster for a couple good prospects who are then packaged with Vitters for Peavy.

One potential match I see is the Phillies, who need a RH bat to replace Burrell in LF. Any chance the Cubs would trade Soriano to the Phillies with Carrasco and one or 2 others going back? The Cubs do this with the idea of signing Abreu and Juan Rivera to play the COF spots, and the Phillies get a long term RH power hitting LF.

of course Braves fans would be upset, only because your GM was too stubborn to make a deal. At least, if this is true, the Cubs are making more of an effort that the Braves have even thought of.

And I highly doubt if there is a decent third team involved that the Cubs would have to give up anyone high priced from their everyday roster to complete this, they have enough non-pitching prospects to satisify another team if they are willing to give up some pitching if it is in abundance to them.

how has no one said the orioles. they have an abundance of almost ready starters. liz, tillman come to the top of my head...they would probably have interest in vitters and maybe we could squeeze out roberts from them in a dream deal

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Yankees as the surprise 3rd team:

Yanks get Derrek Lee + 1 lower level prospect
Cubs get peavy and Matsui
Padres get Ian Kennedy + previously mentioned Cubs prospects"

so the Yankees are going to get Derek Lee for one year of an old and oft injured LF with at most 20 HR ability in Hideki Matsui and a back of the rotation starter with fringe stuff in Ian Kennedy??? That would be worse than the Ceda-Gregg deal for the Cubs.

Honestly, I think the Royals could be a player. They have done the 3 team deal before with Oakland and Houston in the Beltran deal, and Dayton Moore is being very active this off season. I could see them moving Hochevar, Rosa (maybe Cortes) and another prospect or two to San Diego and they would get Vitters, Fontenot and a pitcher from the Cubs, while the Cubbies get Peavy.

I also think it's possible for the Royals to ship Teahen to the Cubs in the deal along with them getting Peavy and they Cubs would send Vitters, Fontenot and Marshall to KC, while the Royals send Rosa, Hochevar along with Pie and another prospect from the Cubs to SD.

insomniac, that wouldnt happen for a few different reasons. The braves probably wouldnt want to help another team get Peavy, just would seem a bit counterproductive to me. second, fukudome produced for only half a season. The braves could go out and get a proven free agent for close to the amount of money fukudome is getting next year. Third, is pretty much just repeating second with more emphasis lol.

"would love for it to be the Giants, can't imagine they have what the padres want though. Vitters would be a perfect fit on the Giants"

ANYONE would be a good fit on the Giants. They're a friggin' farm team! I'd look pretty swell to the Giants right about now. LMAO. They are many years from respectability.

noemarquez, please pass the pipe, because you are smoking something. If the Royals were going to give up Rosas, Cortes, and Ka'aihue, then they would just trade for Peavey straight up, and wouldn't even need the Cubs. Thanks for the laugh.

hmmmmm red sox? i think they have enough pitching. i just dont know what they get. hahahahahahaha soto!

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/Angels-could-make-run-at-Sabathia-and-Peavy?urn=mlb,125155

angels want him too

I think it's pretty funny how all the cubs fans think they can trade away complete garbage and get peavy in return. no third team wants chicago's crap and the pads don't want it either.

I would say it would probably be the Royals. The Cubs are interested in Teahan, but don't seem to want to deal for what they want. The Padres could fill those needs and the Royals could also send the Pardes some young pitching, like Carlos Rosa.

Dodgers, Pads, and Cubs receive:
Cubs - Peavy, Juan Pierre;
Pads - Chin Lin Hu, Delwyn Young, & James MacDonald from Doders, and a Cubs pitcher and infielder;
Dodgers - Aramis Ramirez and Kalhil Greene.

"Yankees as the surprise 3rd team:

Yanks get Derrek Lee + 1 lower level prospect
Cubs get peavy and Matsui
Padres get Ian Kennedy + previously mentioned Cubs prospects"

God i was hoping this wouldn't come up but it did. Do you watch baseball? The Yanks just acquired Swisher and will be in pursuit of Tex how on earth would Lee make any sense?

Cltdodoger- your trade actually makes sense but i don't think it can involve Pierre, unless the Dodgers eat some of his salary.

I can't see any players on the Padres or the Cubs that they would be willing to give up that would be improvements over what the Angels would likely have to give up. If anything, it makes more sense to just trade for Peavy.

^^ Matt I 100% agree with you. I think I heard the Angels werent going to wait for Tex, so this makes sense. I think there is a good chance this will happen. Cant wait to find out.

People keep coming up with these scenarios for theier team to aquire Peavy but most of them aren't offering a pitcher as the centerpiece which is the whole reason a 3rd team needs to be involved seriously readt the article before you post.

Also whoever said in 2 years Kershaw will be better than Peavy is the perfect example of fabs overrating their team's prospects.

People see to think because the cubs system doesnt have 5 star prospects (outside vitters) that we have no talent. The cubs system has a ton of talent in high A ball, however its hard to trade those players but most scouts love their upside. Among the teams AA/AAA prospects that have talent, most scouts still love Pie, its the cubs poor development thats holding him back. Plus hes still very young. After that we have just average players who can get a player like harden if a team wants to put 3 or 4 starters out their. They dont have a horrible system though, in 2 or 3 years when their young talent hits AA or AAA it will look much better.

The third team will probably get D. Lee and or Marquis, and send prospects to SD along with CHC sending them prospects.

"Fish have a top flight prospect already at 3rd base that is just as far away as vitters. Makes little sense"

Fishfan

Yeah, I know about Matt Dominguez. That's why I specifically stated that they could use Vitters long-term (and didnt put 3B) as I dont think he's going to end up playing the hot corner.

I think he gets moved to LF or 1B eventually

I don't understand why teams don't want to give up good players in order to get them?

Yes, Kershaw is a great pitching prospect, but who knows if he will ever be as good as Peavy? He is a proven Cy-Young winner who is locked up for quite a few seasons. He should be getting a great haul of players.

The reason is his injury history. Plus the fact that hes throwing more sliders than every and his elbow is about to shatter because of it. Oh and the fact that he doesnt make it out of the 6th inning is great news either. Between him and Harden the cubs bullpen would basically need 2 guys in long relief, which is why marshall cant go.

Anteater, The Angels could send Jered Weaver and Nick Adenhart for (and maybe sean rodriguez for Peavy and Kahlil Greene. Your trade is way too much

I just dont understand why people keep coming on here and posting possible trade opportunities for their teams (Angels, Dodgers.....) come on.. I mean just because the premier player being traded in a 3 way trade doesnt send him to your team doesnt mean that you are losing. If the Angels WERE the 3rd team, they wouldnt be in it if they werent addressing some sort of hole they have. Also, I doubt that its DLee going to Aneheim or NY. As many people have said in several other articles and posts, Lee has a NTC. Towers wouldnt have been searching for a team that Lee would/could shoot down. Also, why would Hendry give up Lee or Ramirez like a few have suggested? That would be creating holes in our team that would be difficult to address with an even more limited budget. The only logical player that would be part of this deal is Marquis, he would be out of a job and would be more payroll that the Cubs can take.

Lets be sensible about this..........