Mets Considering Randy Wolf, Oliver Perez

so the market for Derek Lowe is now WHO???

I think someone's going to get him for a 3 year deal and maybe an option. His price per may come down as well. I'd love to see the Phils get him and Moyer and then leave Happ at AAA with Carrasco.

The Mets are just pretending to not be interested in Lowe to get the price down. Most of the big market teams look to be backing off him...

Yanks-CC/AJ
Phils-Signed Ibanez/ should get discount with Moyer
Red Sox-just wanted to keep him off the Yankees

If the Mets don't offer him a huge contract then who will? Possibly the Angels if they lose out on Tex but other then that, nobody with money. So that would leave the Mets to bid against teams like the Astros, Braves, Brewers... they could have the highest bid from that group and still not even sniff Lowe's asking price.

These are the two pitchers I've been wanting all the while. Ollie being a leftie and a big-gamer and Wolf being a Mets killer can't pitch against us anymore. Good fifth starter

Ollie has has his moments but deep down, I think he is much to inconsistent, wild at times, and can blow up in a matter of moments. Generally a fly ball pitcher, somebody who gets ground balls and is generally consistent would help this rotation much more --> Lowe. I like Lowe in big spots also, he is old, but a shorter commitment around 3 years opposed to 4-5 for Perez would allow future . I think its the best move and then plug in somebody like a Wolf if he can be had for a cheap price/Pedro on incentive based deal/Niece as the 5th starter with depth behind it.

As far as curing the starter situation via free agents, seems the simplest, but I think Omar should maybe look to get creative to fill one or both of these spots.

If Delgado has appeal to a few teams, I would look to move him for a younger starter that does not cost much, and is generally healthy to give 175+ innings, allowing 12 million cleared this year, a semi young, cheap starter and the appropriate funds for Manual Ramirez. eh eh.

Anybody have teams in mind that would be looking for a 1B/DH with power, at a 12mil clip for one season? Off the top of my head, Tampa, San Fran, Toronto... for a one year commitment, Nick Evans and maybe another prospect, one of these 3 might consider sending an ML ready pitcher the Mets way. Maybe a Jonathen Sanchez on SF, Sonnanstine on TB. Any thoughts?

As I stated on my own blog, starting pitching should be one of the Mets top 3 priorities this off season. I'd prefer Perez or Lowe over Wolf. http://www.ontheblack.com/2008/12/09/top-3-priorities-for-the-mets-this-off-season/

I agree with the above comment.

It appears that the Mets are the favorites for Lowe, which would be a HUGE addition for them.

K-Rod, Putz and Lowe would equal an extremely successful offseason for the Mets.

Thats not even a good joke.

I am sure I speak for everyone, and reality, when I say that the Mets are not getting Peavy.

Anywho, I'm excited about the players we've acquired that are actually excited about coming to New York. Even if he could be somehow coaxed into adding the Mets to his trade list, why would we want someone that doesn't really want to be here even if he is an amazing player?

"If Delgado has appeal to a few teams, I would look to move him for a younger starter that does not cost much, and is generally healthy to give 175+ innings, allowing 12 million cleared this year, a semi young, cheap starter and the appropriate funds for Manual Ramirez. eh eh.

Anybody have teams in mind that would be looking for a 1B/DH with power, at a 12mil clip for one season? Off the top of my head, Tampa, San Fran, Toronto... for a one year commitment, Nick Evans and maybe another prospect, one of these 3 might consider sending an ML ready pitcher the Mets way. Maybe a Jonathen Sanchez on SF, Sonnanstine on TB. Any thoughts?"

Why are so many Mets fans devaluing Delgado so much? Packaging him with a prospect for Sonnenstine, who would be a number 3 starter at best, would be a waste. Freeing up the money would make room for a possible Manny upgrade, but then there would be just another hole to fill.

The majority of you aren't going to agree, but I see Omar acquiring Manny without dealing Delgado....upping payroll to just under the luxury tax. The Mets are in must-win mode, and I think the Wilpons will pull out the stops.

Getting rid of Luis and signing Hudson would ruin everything good Omar has done this off season. It's called learning from your mistakes. Hudson can come on a two year deal... other wise good luck wherever you land Orlando. Garland is the worst idea in the world. Paulio, you aren't missing anything. Jon Garland is not good, he never has been good, and he will never be good. He will eat innings with fringe stuff and put up a mid 4's-5 era. Eventually, he will turn into the Steve Trachsel we got to see in NY. Ugh. On a one year deal for Garland, sure, why not, although he still stinks. On a 3/4 year deal for him..... gag.

garland has played inthe al most of his career an era of 4 is good when he comes to a nl team.

he also pitchs a lot of innings

daniel murphys hitting skills are GREAT.
his whole minor league year he batted above 300 and in the afl.

Manny and NY.. I can't think of a more toxic mix. L.A. is by far the best fit for him. L.A. loves him and being a somewhat whacked out place it really neutralizes all that dysfunctional tendencies that Manny possesses . No doubt about it.. Manny is one of the premier hitters of this generation, and none is better in the clutch. but he would be a disaster in a NY clubhouse.

Why are so many Mets fans devaluing Delgado so much? Packaging him with a prospect for Sonnenstine, who would be a number 3 starter at best, would be a waste. Freeing up the money would make room for a possible Manny upgrade, but then there would be just another hole to fill.

I am not devaluing Delgado, but he is another year older and yes only signed for one season. My thoughts are trade him while he has value to another team and if it means acquiring Sonnastine to be a 4/5 starter cheap and under team control for a while.. I am all for it. That would avoid the signing of a guy like Garland in addition to Lowe... Sooo instead of Garland for 10 million and Delgado for 12... 22 million or so to ManRam and he is a much better hitter than Delgado in the middle of that lineup. Delgado is good but cman, seriously, the opportunity to see the best righty hitter in the game behind the kid Wright, and Beltran behind him. We get a younger pitcher under control, and there is no extra hole because Murphy slots in a more natural position at 1B instead of OF. I know it may be fantasy world, but I think that is a clutch GM move and sets the team up much better for the future in doing so. Manny for a couple years, and get something for Delgado, a pitcher who could help down the road for cheap.

What kind of prospect are we talking about with Delgado.

Nick evans could go

Tampa Gets
Carlos Delgado
Nick Evans

Mets Get
Andy Sonnastine

beastOftheEast: That rotation and lineup would make me beyond ecstatic.

"This would require the mets to eat a chunk and maybe 6 mill of Delgados 12 mill."

I am not so sure they would have to, the Rays are looking to add a power bat to DH. They would be looking at spending around 10 million a season for any of the options currently out there (Giambi, Bradley, Dunn) and for the money and one season, Delgado could be the best option.

As for the trade with a prospect, Delgado and Evans might not be that far off..
Anyone agree?

Delgado's numbers might dip, but showed he can hit and with that lineup they have in TB, he could put up 30/110. They are not impossible numbers and when he is hot, carries a team for a month, and might be hitting those catwalks in tampa.

Sonnastine should be a solid 5 in the NL. It could work well for both sides. Someone give me Omar's cell! we need to talk about this.

1. A deal that involves Delgado being packaged with another prospect for Sonnanstine would be rejected by the Rays. The Rays can grab a DH for much less than 12MM + a cheap, team controlled good pitcher. Unless the Mets are giving up one of their top prospects, but then what's the point of making the trade involving Delgado. Make the trade with prospects only then.

2. Signing Manny Ramirez is a great idea. About blocking Daniel Murphy: I think he should get consistent ABs. If he's not given a starting job on the MLB team (platoons count as a starting job btw), he needs to be in AAA getting full time ABs. Personally, I relegate Castillo to the bench and play Murphy at 2B. Castillo sucks at defense. Murphy also sucks at defense, although Murphy's probably a tad worse than Castillo (but this is like the Ibanez v. Burrell defense argument.. Murphy has the vastly superior bat, so he should be full time starter at 2B IMO. Sometimes you just have to eat losses and shove Castillo on the bench.

3. Garland sucks. The Mets shouldn't touch him, as should any other team. He will be a bad signing for whoever signs him at 10MM++ per year. Can we get over that? I'm sketch on Wolf at a 3 year deal as well.

For dunn they will have to commit to 10 plus at 3 years.

Not better than

10 at 1 year

They have a option to resign or release. A great option for a team like the rays.

Whay aren't the mets looking at rehab projects like Brad Penny and Ben Sheets, rather than oliver perez and especially.. Randy Wolf? Wolf is going to *hurt* his team pretty much whenever he pitches anyway and not sure about how well the ball is going to carry in the new mets stadium, but he could actually be worse next year for them than he previously has been.

Dunn would be a better sign than Wolf even, find a rehab, or look in spring training, or even catch a castoff whom misses the big dollar boat later on this winter, just hate to see anyone flush big dollars down on a jared washburn imitation.

How is Delgado not a "good clubhouse presence'? God, with all the Bradley talk and the Bonds talk, aren't we in the good ol' US of A?

Just an FYI to those who think Evans would be of value to TB...they already traded Edwin Jackson for Matt Joyce. Add in Gabe Gross and Fernando Perez and you have a full outfield with two defensive replacements already.

They might, just might, think about Delgado for DH...but I bet NY would have to eat quite a bit of salary for them to want to trade a young pitcher for him.

I meant to say you don't just make a bad adjustment, and lose all your batspeed, make another adjustment, and get it all back. When a guy that good slumps for a whole year and then all the sudden is on fire again, it is usually injury. I would have definitely just thought he was old and finished, but guys that are old and finished don't post a 1000 OPS over a prolonged sample size against major league pitching.

Delgado is not coming to Tampa, unless the Mets pay at least 1/2 of his contract, same with lee of chicago. The league knows both of those guys are making tons of cash and aging vets waiting to crash.

With Burrell and Dunn still available at 3+ years younger and all more than likely signable for less than 12 million per year and 3 year contracts, why even consider Delgado?

"do you really think the Mets are taking on 40 million in payroll? There is NO way that will happen. Its a nice little fantasy team, but that is all it is."

I don't think the Mets will increase payroll THAT much, but I'll bet money that there will be some sort of increase.

"Delgado is not coming to Tampa, unless the Mets pay at least 1/2 of his contract"

That would make the trade totally not worth it for the Mets IMHO. Don't get me wrong, I don't want the trade, but I think it would be just about fair. The Mets get a fairly decent starter and a salary dump, and Tampa gets a decent prospect and a discount DH. It's not going to happen anyway because Delgado is going to start at 1st base this spring. He's earned it.

Steve Howe's Ghost: "It is fun reading Mets fans try to sell Delgado off as someone you'd trade young cost-controlled pitching for. Meanwhile there's Giambi, who has been better the last three years, and Dunn, who's better than the both of them. And they wouldn't have to trade players for either of them."

The only thing funnier than Met's fans trying to sell delgado is other fans that do not know what they are talking about.

In the past FIVE seasons Giambi topped 100 RBI's once in that Yankee lineup. He has been hurt over that period too, thats a risk and hit .253, .236, .247 the past 3 years, I will give you he is good for a good OBP though.

Dunn hit .234, .264, .236 over the past 3 years while striking out an avg of 175 times a season. He will hit 40 homers, but prob hit .240 and K 180 times, see how long you can watch that without pulling your hair out.

Pat Burrell is a solid player and younger, that is a fair point. He is a righty and if that is what TB needs, than clear choice here. But Delgado has had two seasons (2006 and 2008) with better numbers than Burrell's best season the past 3 years.

nrmax is right about his wrist, and Delgado hit .271 last season with 38/115, the last time Giambi and Burrell hit .271 was 05' and Dunn has never hit .270 in his entire career. Delgado has 30+ doubles each of the past 4 seasons. Between Dunn, Giambi and Burrell, in their past 4 seasons each, they have a combined TWO 30+ doubles seasons.

The other hitters out there may cost less than 12 million, I am not sure what they will go for, but at 12 million for one year, Delgado is better than all of them, pay for what you get. In the posts above it was Delgado, Evans and another prospect (maybe a younger SP) for Sonnanstine, who would be the 5 starter on either team anyway. If the Rays do not want to trade him, then fine, but its not a ridiculous idea.

PhilsWSchamps: Fantasy lineup hardly, the mets seam to be a frontrunner for Lowe. If they ink that deal, slot him in the rotation. The mets are looking to add another SP after him for around 5-10 million, in the proposed lineup, Delgado would be moved (albeit at high value point) for a cheap SP. Save that 12 million (Delgado), plus the 10 million for another starter = Manny. The increase in payroll would be roughly the money they spend anyway.

Who cares what Dunn's batting average is? He's still creating more runs and more runs per game than Delgado. He's also been on base more often. Would it be better if he was grounding out to second instead of striking out?