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8:29pm: Several e-mailers have pointed out that Andruw Jones is in attendance at the Duke-Georgia Tech men's basketball game and is wearing an Atlanta Braves hat. Interesting, eh?
7:46pm: According to Ken Gurnick of MLB.com, the Dodgers are expected to officialy release Andruw Jones Thursday morning.
Jones, you'll remember, agreed to defer the $21.1MM remaining on his contract back in early January to open up payroll for the Dodgers, and for a chance at a fresh start with a new team. The Dodgers have reportedly discussed a few potential trades this week, but all talks have apparently fallen flat. He has expressed interest in returning to the Braves.
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My guess is that he'll sign with the Braves by Sunday.
Posted by: tolo316 | January 14, 2009 at 08:04 PM
OOOHHHH ooooohhhh OHHHHHH ohhhhh OHHH ohhhh. - ( That's the Tomahawk Chop)
Posted by: Mark Twine | January 14, 2009 at 08:05 PM
I bet teams are chomping at the bit to get in on Jones. Does he even warrant a major-league contract?
Posted by: JL | January 14, 2009 at 08:06 PM
I hope the Braves don't plan on him bouncing back like they are planning on Frenchy. They should get another outfielder plus AJ and see what happens.
Posted by: siskel_god | January 14, 2009 at 08:07 PM
I'm sure he can hit 300
Posted by: DoobieDave | January 14, 2009 at 08:11 PM
As long as the Braves get another cleanup-type LF, I am completely in favor of bringing Druw back on a cheap deal to compete for the CF job with Blanco/Anderson/Schafer. Low-risk, high-reward, in my opinion.
Posted by: sunking1056 | January 14, 2009 at 08:20 PM
Maybe of a scale.
Posted by: cheba63 | January 14, 2009 at 08:21 PM
I'm thinking he goes back to the Braves.
Posted by: kerelcooper | January 14, 2009 at 08:21 PM
M. Twine, that was more like a fake orgasm, really fake...
I say the Cubs sign him and do another Jim Edmonds resurrection project. It's low risk. 2 mil just to blow him out of the water?
Posted by: conorj | January 14, 2009 at 08:22 PM
*LBS
Get him in ATL for the minimum. We all know he won't 50 HRs or win a gold glove again, but he can provide some OF depth. If he sucks, you're only out 400k. If he's decent,FW=genius.
Posted by: DoobieDave | January 14, 2009 at 08:22 PM
"I'm sure he can hit 300"
Maybe on a scale.*
Posted by: cheba63 | January 14, 2009 at 08:22 PM
"I'm sure he can hit 300"
Based upon what?
Posted by: defense | January 14, 2009 at 08:23 PM
I'm sure he can hit .100... Wait, no I'm not.
Posted by: DoobieDave | January 14, 2009 at 08:11 PM
fixed
Posted by: Serg Rush | January 14, 2009 at 08:23 PM
Andruw was at the Tech/Duke game with a Braves cap on
Posted by: Victor | January 14, 2009 at 08:26 PM
He did look like he was in shape in that recent video that was posted on here. I was impressed.
I would not rule out, if he maintains the weight like it seemed in that video and that he takes some advice about his swing, him doing something like 80 RBI and 25-30 HR.
And lets face it, ATL is the best place for him to try tom resurrect his career.
Posted by: SoleMaverick | January 14, 2009 at 08:27 PM
A sad day indeed for the Greater Los Angeles fastfood industry.
Posted by: abcrazy4dodgers | January 14, 2009 at 08:27 PM
I should add, he was shown in the stands during the Georgia Tech vs. Duke basketball game wearing an Atlanta Braves hat.
Posted by: cheba63 | January 14, 2009 at 08:27 PM
See ya Andruw. Fat loser.
Posted by: NedCollettiClueless | January 14, 2009 at 08:27 PM
I hardly think the Braves would plan on him bouncing back, they let him go without so much as a goodbye, yet alone contract talks.
They knew he was slipping to the extreme.
The only way his next contract is over 1 million, is if he is paying a team to play him.
Posted by: quintjs | January 14, 2009 at 08:28 PM
I just don't understand how trade talks could have possibly fallen through from the Dodgers perspective. You know you're going to release the guy, all you have to ask for is for the other team to pay league minimum and take whatever the heck they offer. Now, the Dodgers will still pay everything but league minimum but they've missed out on a player. So it wouldn't have been a good player? Big deal, you never know what a player might do. Mike Piaza was drafted in the 62nd round. Just sayin. I don't know what the holdup was, maybe something I don't know about (obviously), but from here it looks like Ned Colleti did something stupid (again).
Posted by: pageian | January 14, 2009 at 08:29 PM
Yes, never mind the fact no matter how good of shape he is in, HE CLEARLY CAN'T SEE THE BALL ANYMORE!
Resigning Andruw would undo all the progress Atlanta has made.
Posted by: Serg Rush | January 14, 2009 at 08:30 PM
Andruw was at the Tech/Duke game with a Braves cap on
Posted by: Victor | January 14, 2009 at 08:26 PM
I should add, he was shown in the stands during the Georgia Tech vs. Duke basketball game wearing an Atlanta Braves hat.
Posted by: cheba63 | January 14, 2009 at 08:27 PM
Two sources, officially NOT a rumor:
Andruw has cart before the horse!
Prediction: Andruw hits .188 with 2 homers for Newark Bears.
Posted by: abcrazy4dodgers | January 14, 2009 at 08:31 PM
Pageian, I'd imagine it's the other teams being unwilling to give up anything and take on any amount of his contract.
Posted by: cheba63 | January 14, 2009 at 08:32 PM
"A sad day indeed for the Greater Los Angeles fastfood industry.
Posted by: abcrazy4dodgers | January 14, 2009 at 08:27 PM
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haha.
This wont happen but, what if he came back to Atlanta and hit 30 homers again with a 250. average. Does he get a decent contract or gets no love
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | January 14, 2009 at 08:36 PM
I'm sure he can hit 300
Posted by: DoobieDave | January 14, 2009 at 08:11 PM
The guy has hit above .300 one time (.303 in 2000 when he was 23), since then the closest he came to that was .277 in 2003. Since then .261, .263, .262, .222, .158. But yeah, he can hit .300. *rolls eyes*. i think you've been smoking too much of something.
Posted by: sjdurfey | January 14, 2009 at 08:39 PM
If anyone takes him, he go to the minors. So it isn't even worth speculating what if.
Posted by: Serg Rush | January 14, 2009 at 08:39 PM
what the mccheaps should have done is kept him all year on the bench and not worry about his salary ever again, now the mccheaps are going to bring up his salary for six more years!!!! The dodgers dropped alot of payroll this year, cheap bastards!!! Were still waiting for some kind of type A free agent!!!
Posted by: KingMayan! | January 14, 2009 at 08:43 PM
His 07 season should have been a clue he was on the decline. Why the Dodgers even signed him is beyond me.
Posted by: Serg Rush | January 14, 2009 at 08:44 PM
How much free cash do you think Jones can steal this time around?
Probably won't match the Dodgers' genius move of 36 million.
Posted by: strikethree | January 14, 2009 at 08:45 PM
Speaking of the Dodgers... Does anyone else think Manny doesn't perform after he gets a new contract. He seems to have the ability to turn it off and on when ever he feels like it.
Posted by: Serg Rush | January 14, 2009 at 08:47 PM
Altanta Braves?
Posted by: Scott Candage | January 14, 2009 at 08:47 PM
I would also like to point out that he was working out with Chipper and Mac this week at the Braves complex. He was on fox 5 news 2 nights ago saying he wanted to end his career as a Brave. I think it's pretty obvious he will be.
Posted by: siskel_god | January 14, 2009 at 08:49 PM
Crap
Posted by: Apollo'08 | January 14, 2009 at 08:51 PM
he's got phillies written all over him
Posted by: Da Man | January 14, 2009 at 08:51 PM
Do the Braves have enough money to sign Jones AND Dunn/Abreu?
Posted by: tolo316 | January 14, 2009 at 08:52 PM
"what the mccheaps should have done is kept him all year on the bench and not worry about his salary ever again, now the mccheaps are going to bring up his salary for six more years!!!! The dodgers dropped alot of payroll this year, cheap bastards!!! Were still waiting for some kind of type A free agent!!!
Posted by: KingMayan! | January 14, 2009 at 08:43 PM"
Every single one of your posts is a direct hit against the Dodgers. Just stop please. The Dodgers value the draft, they use the draft well. None of the Type A's make sense. No on Tex, Burnett, and CC kinda made sense but not too much.
If anything you should be upset about the Saito/Mota clusterbomb.
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | January 14, 2009 at 08:55 PM
"Do the Braves have enough money to sign Jones"
The Braves will not even pay for his plane ticket for the spring training.
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | January 14, 2009 at 08:56 PM
"Speaking of the Dodgers... Does anyone else think Manny doesn't perform after he gets a new contract. He seems to have the ability to turn it off and on when ever he feels like it."
When Manny turns it off, he still puts up really good numbers. I don't think any Dodger fan expects him to match the numbers he put up last year as a Dodger. He was just unreal with them last year.
Posted by: cheba63 | January 14, 2009 at 08:57 PM
Oh well, at least the braves won't have to worry about him hitting into double plays, because he can't even make contact with ball.
I'm calling it now if the Braves take him back.
This season Andruw Jones founds the 300 Strikeout club.
Posted by: Serg Rush | January 14, 2009 at 08:58 PM
LOL, if the Braves pick up Andruw, that's just more free money for him.
He still looked fat in the Dominican Winter League.
Good riddance to a lazy, underachieving, smiling bum.
I usually try to be gracious and thank a player for his contributions but, honestly, this guy contributed NOTHING to the Dodgers and got paid a TON of money.
Whoever signs him should make sure to add a weight clause in the contract so maybe they can get something out of him.
Posted by: Die-Hard Dodger Fan | January 14, 2009 at 08:59 PM
I think if he gets playing time which if anywhere it'll be with Cox, he could hit .240-.250 with 15-25 homers and play above average defense. Certainly worth 500 thousand, once again saying could not will
Posted by: bravesfan22193 | January 14, 2009 at 09:01 PM
Whoever signs him should make sure to add a weight clause in the contract so maybe they can get something out of him.
LOL. Just reminded me of Bartolo Colon.
Posted by: Serg Rush | January 14, 2009 at 09:02 PM
In related news, Manny Ramirez was reportedly spotted with a hat of each team, rotating at each stoppage in play.
Posted by: letsgoyankees | January 14, 2009 at 09:03 PM
KingMayan is NO Dodger fan. He is what you call a BANDWAGON fan.
Bandwagon fans are not wanted by ANY team nor are they appreciated by ANY REAL FAN.
KingMayan, go root for the Orange County OF Anaheim OF Southern California OF North of San Diego OF South of San Francisco Angels. Or whatever their name is.
No one in Dodger Land will care.
Posted by: Die-Hard Dodger Fan | January 14, 2009 at 09:04 PM
I think if he gets playing time which if anywhere it'll be with Cox, he could hit .240-.250 with 15-25 homers and play above average defense. Certainly worth 500 thousand, once again saying could not will.
But will any of those long balls come in clutch situations? I doubt it.
Posted by: Serg Rush | January 14, 2009 at 09:04 PM
Serg Rush,
Look, we get it, you don't like the guy. No need to repeatedly post the same sentiment in slightly different ways. Anyways, while Andruw did show signs of struggling with the bat in 2007, he was still above replacement level offensively and among the best CF in the league defensively. Per FanGraphs his production was still worth $14.8 million in 2007. Anyways, he doesn't even need to get back to his 2007 level to be a worthwhile pickup for the Braves. All he really needs to do is show some life against LHP. If he can post a .700-.750 OPS against LHP (even with his struggles last year he was at .631) then he's better than any of the Braves other options.
Posted by: nixa37 | January 14, 2009 at 09:05 PM
from a guy who will be the #8 hitter most likely if he starts, i dont think you're realistically asking for clutch just some production
Posted by: bravesfan22193 | January 14, 2009 at 09:07 PM
rumor has it he has found a job as a vendor at a collegiate sports arena. good to see he's at least trying to do something productive.
Posted by: jmurray | January 14, 2009 at 09:08 PM
Isn't it amazing that a player that was nearly MVP of the league just 3 years ago has so quickly fallen from grace?
Posted by: scottandwtb | January 14, 2009 at 09:13 PM
Andruw did the Dodgers a HUGE favor orchestrated by Boras with the deferred payment. Without that the Dodgers would be SOL on signing Furcal, Blake and potentially Manny.
Posted by: optionn | January 14, 2009 at 09:15 PM
Fine, I'll try to form a coherent arguement.
How would Andruw Jones help the Braves in anyway? They have taken the steps they need to in order to rebuild themselves into a contender. Maybe, them could bring him in for a veteran leader on the bench like the D-Backs did with Tony Clark. He might be okay as a pinch hitter. But after the season he just had, it seems like have him start would only hinder the progress the Braves have made.
Posted by: Serg Rush | January 14, 2009 at 09:20 PM
abcrazy4dodgers had the post of day with "it's a very sad day for the greater LA fast food industry."
There's no way he signs with another team. Maybe this go round he will actually listen to Terry Pendelton. .250 25 80 and helping Schaffer learn how to play center.
Posted by: OklahomaBrave | January 14, 2009 at 09:22 PM
The Braves have absolutely no options that have shown the ability to play CF well and hit ML caliber LHP. As bad as Jones was last season, he was still better than any of the Braves other current options. Anderson has a career ML line of .254/.299/.286 against LHP, Schafer is coming off a line of .196/.306/.299 against LHP in AA, and while Blanco has a line of .248/.360/.333 he's pretty bad defensively in CF. For that reason it makes a ton of sense to bring in Andruw as a possible platoon option in CF, if nothing else. If he really turns things around he starts, if he only gets semi back on track against LHP we have a great platoon player, if he sucks we're out like 400k. I'm really failing to see the downside here.
Posted by: nixa37 | January 14, 2009 at 09:27 PM
Glass half full:
Braves sign him to a minor league deal for major league minimum salary. He bombs in Spring Training and is released.
Glass half empty:
Braves sign him to a major league deal for major league minimum. He hits .275 in Spring Training with a couple of homers and gets every ball hit between the foul lines.
Makes the big club in April and Bobby keeps running him out there until Memorial Day, when, hitting .190 with six doubles and 2 HR, he's released.
Posted by: ink-stained scribe | January 14, 2009 at 09:38 PM
"He did look like he was in shape in that recent video that was posted on here. I was impressed."
Impressed with 3-for-16 with 8 K's and a reportedly tortoise-slow bat in the Dominican Winter League?
Posted by: vtadave | January 14, 2009 at 09:47 PM
"Umm....no. Blake and Furcal were signed long before Andruw's contract was redone. Also, the Dodger's payroll was something like 80 mill before the contract was redone WITH Furcal and Blake. We still had a ton of money to spend before it."
And who are they going to spend that money on now? Rotation is in shambles, bullpen has taken a step back, and Manny isn't signed.
Posted by: vtadave | January 14, 2009 at 09:48 PM
Based on the numbers Andruw Jones has put up the past two years, he is clearly on the decline and unlikely to be any better this season. They say he is having trouble seeing the rotation on the ball meaning he is likely to get worse. Meaning he will strikeout more often then he will make a productive out. I don't think he will be any better offensively then your other options.
Posted by: Serg Rush | January 14, 2009 at 09:49 PM
I'm not bandwagon fan, if I was I wouldn't even talk about the dodgers, cuz as you well know the dodgers have been crap for 20 yrs!! The problem here is fans like Die hard dodger fan that still go to dodgers games and support them when the owners don't respect the fans, all the fans just want is a world championship team, not just trying to win the crappy NL west!! And when did the MLB draft become the NBA or NFL draft, most of those draftees are crap and will never make it to the Majors!!! Geeks!! If the mcCheaps would own the Phillies(champs) they would get a rude awakening!!! Those fans don't play!!
Posted by: KingMayan! | January 14, 2009 at 09:49 PM
"He did look like he was in shape in that recent video that was posted on here. I was impressed."
Impressed with 3-for-16 with 8 K's and a reportedly tortoise-slow bat in the Dominican Winter League?
Posted by: vtadave | January 14, 2009 at 09:47 PM
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So his performance in 24 PA (8 of which ended in BB FWIW) a month or two ago is all that matters? Ever think maybe he's dropped the weight since then and that dropping that weight might help him get that bat speed back? At the very least, the recent video shows that Andruw is doing what he needs to do if he wants any chance at a comeback. Whether or not he can remains to be seen, but the fact that he seems to be working hard for that chance is a big step in the right direction for him.
Posted by: nixa37 | January 14, 2009 at 09:54 PM
It would be an awesome signing if we can get him for less than $2mm.
Posted by: ChiefTomahawk | January 14, 2009 at 09:55 PM
And when did the MLB draft become the NBA or NFL draft, most of those draftees are crap and will never make it to the Majors!!! Geeks!! If the mcCheaps would own the Phillies(champs) they would get a rude awakening!!! Those fans don't play!!
The players who get picked in the first 75 usually make it pro which would be a pick you lose when you sign a Type A free agent.
And I'm not really sure what that last sentence meant at all.
Posted by: Serg Rush | January 14, 2009 at 09:56 PM
At least, the angels got a real owner, even if they don't get to sign anybody they still got a wayyyyyy better team than the dodgers!!!!! I just wish arte moreno could be the dodgers owner!!
Posted by: KingMayan! | January 14, 2009 at 09:57 PM
Me either Serg rush!!! Hahahaha!!
Posted by: KingMayan! | January 14, 2009 at 10:00 PM
Ever think maybe he's dropped the weight since then and that dropping that weight might help him get that bat speed back?
I haven't seen him in the Dominican League, but I did see him last season. All the bat speed in the world isn't going to help him if he can't see the difference in ball rotation between a fastball and a slider.
Posted by: Serg Rush | January 14, 2009 at 10:00 PM
here's a crazy idea...if he would sign for league minimum, would it be worthwhile for the Jays to take a chance on him as DH???
Trade Overbay for some pitching, move Lind to 1B, Snider takes LF.
If he could regain a little form, Andruw Jones could compliment the Jays power quite well!
Posted by: Ontario Greg | January 14, 2009 at 10:06 PM
Ever think maybe he's dropped the weight since then and that dropping that weight might help him get that bat speed back?
I haven't seen him in the Dominican League, but I did see him last season. All the bat speed in the world isn't going to help him if he can't see the difference in ball rotation between a fastball and a slider.
Posted by: Serg Rush | January 14, 2009 at 10:00 PM
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And you know this as a fact how? It couldn't have been that he was cheating to try and catch up with fastballs because he no longer had the bat speed to catch up to them any other way?
If that's really the issue, then it just sounds like he needs a contact or Lasik surgery...There are at least 2 other players on the Braves I can think of off the top of my head who had similar problems that they had treated. Fixing his vision did wonders for Diaz's career, while the jury is still out on Frenchy.
Posted by: nixa37 | January 14, 2009 at 10:12 PM
Heck, might as well take a chance with Andruw. It doesn't seem like no one else wants to step up and take the CF job. Who knows? He might have another season like 05 (LOL! Sorry..couldn't keep a straight face)
But Wren should only do this AFTER he has secured a quality hitting LF
Posted by: homeofdabrave | January 14, 2009 at 10:20 PM
nixa,
You and I talked about that different look in Jones' swing while he was on the Dodgers earlier. Do you remember? I still saw that in the video of him. He looked physically better (as far as his weight) but I'm not convinced that his swing will ever recover. I know that he has always had a different-looking swing but it still looks differnt to me.
Also, you Braves fans are aware that even Pendelton attempted to help Jones last season aren't you? He refused to change anything about his approach last year. The dodgers coaching staff tried everything to get him to turn it around.
Also, just because Jones wants to be a Brave doesn't mean that the team will welcome him back with open arms. I think they will though, but he will have to swallow his pride and accept near league minimum.
Posted by: cutmeibleedblue | January 14, 2009 at 10:21 PM
Also, I don't want to open a new can of worms, but do any of you think that Andruw's violent decline could have anything to do with performance enhancing substances? I'm not accusing him of actually juicing, I just wanted to see what all of you thought about this. I just can't fathom how a player could drop off a cliff so quickly. It just seems strange that his performance dropped in such a pronounced way when such substance use became brought to light. Just thinking out loud.
Posted by: cutmeibleedblue | January 14, 2009 at 10:28 PM
Does everyone on here have ADD??? How quickly we forget that 2 years ago Mr. Jones had the best season of his life and should have won the MVP! Yes, obviously he's fallen far since then, but didn't all you so-called "Braves Fans" root for Andruw all thoes years when he was winning gold gloves and helping us get to the post season every year? Does anyone remember him being the best CF since Mays for most of his career thus far???
WTMF??
I'm THRILLED to hear that we might have a chance to get him back (and at a f&ck cheap salary)! Ya, so he his -.103 last year and stunk up LA, SO WHAT! I saw him on the sidelines of the G-Tech game in that Braves hat and almost sh!t, I got goosebumps! I can't wait to see #25 back out roaming CF....whenever/ IF ever that happens.
GOODLUCK AJ! I'll be rootin for you this year. I hope you prove the haters wrong (and me right) by having an incredible comeback this year... Just lay off the burgers, don't drop that shoulder, lay off the high fastballs!
Posted by: kidlax17 | January 14, 2009 at 10:30 PM
kidlax17,
We all know how great Jones used to be, but we also know that he was the most grossly overpaid player in MLB last year. That is something you have to keep in mind.
So then do you blame the Braves front office for not signing Jones last offseason rather than letting him go to free agency? I would guess not. Baseball, as well as most other sports, are more concerned with current performance than prior performance. Based on Jones' past two years of play, Braves Fans have all the right in the world to be concerned about Jones performance.
Also, it wasn't the fastballs that gave him trouble it was the low and away breaking balls. Then again, pretty much each and every pitch he saw last season gave him trouble.
Posted by: cutmeibleedblue | January 14, 2009 at 10:38 PM
Andruw is one of the last guys I would ever think used PEDs. He never had a defined body and he never really bulked up in the offseason. He just slowly added a few pounds every year, and it wasn't muscle for the most part. Honestly, he strikes me as the sort of person that always had a high metabolism until he hit his mid to late 20's. Once that started slowing down, he did nothing to change his workout or eating habits, and the pounds slowly started to build.
Also, I think the toll his body took playing CF the way he did almost every single day for over a decade is really overlooked by most. His style of play led him to make far more diving catches than anyone else, and doing that day after day really seems to have taken a toll on his body. The fact that he was doing it at higher weight than other CFs definitely didn't help things either.
I think one other thing that has to be considered is that Andruw might just be older than we actually realize. I don't know how easy it would be to get a fake birth certificate in Curacao, with its ties to the Netherlands, but considering what Andruw did at such a young age and how quickly he fell off, maybe he's just a couple years older than we realize.
As for his swing, it actually looked better in the video, but he was also just taking BP as opposed to in game swings. Still, it looked like he was staying back a little better, actually keeping his balance, and cutting down on his forward stride to a degree. Those are the things he really needs to work on (other than the obvious stuff like bat speed and pitch recognition). It'll be interesting to see if that can actually translate over to ST games.
Posted by: nixa37 | January 14, 2009 at 10:40 PM
Ontario Greg,
he might be willing to do anything to resurrect his career if the braves don't give him a shot, but i really don't think he would consider playing for the blue jays.. as someone who doesn't cover as much ground as he used to and has struggled with injury problems lately the chances of him going and playing half a season on turf are slim to none.. personally, i think he's either signed by the braves or he hangs em up
Posted by: bravesfan2707 | January 14, 2009 at 10:42 PM
the same time the Mitchell report came out he's decline started happening!! One of the side affects of stopping a steroid cycle is Fat gain!!!
Posted by: KingMayan! | January 14, 2009 at 10:42 PM
Bring him back on a minor league deal, let him prove whether or not he can hit. If he can, all good. If he can't, well, there's always Jordan Schafer.
Posted by: FineHamAbounds | January 14, 2009 at 10:43 PM
Nixa, you know nothing of roid's!!
Posted by: KingMayan! | January 14, 2009 at 10:45 PM
"Also, it wasn't the fastballs that gave him trouble it was the low and away breaking balls. Then again, pretty much each and every pitch he saw last season gave him trouble."
Sorry, but I have to seriously disagree with you on this one. If it was truly breaking pitches low and away that were giving him trouble, we'd expect teams to have thrown him more breaking pitches last season and that he would have swung at a higher percentage of pitches outside the zone. In fact, the exact opposite happen. Jones saw a significant increase in the percentage of fastballs he got last season, and while his O-Swing% went up slightly, it was was the big time drop in his Z-Swing% that was the biggest cause of his problems. Those numbers paint a picture of a hitter who pitchers knew couldn't catch up to a fastball, so they were willing to throw it over and many times Jones wasn't even quick enough to react and muster a swing.
Posted by: nixa37 | January 14, 2009 at 10:46 PM
i think he looked like he was in decent shape in that video that was posted before.. hopefully he's motivated now more than ever.. his balance looked terrible on there though but i guess one positive is he was attempting to hit the ball to the right side (on his own free will rather than being forced by coaches which he probably never was anyway)... he was hanging around the right guys though if he wants to get his hitting back up to par... hopefully he'll listen to chipper and mccann
Posted by: bravesfan2707 | January 14, 2009 at 10:48 PM
nixa,
Its a myth that PED cause you to bulk up. In some cases this is a result, but not in all. Look at some of thoes guys in the Mitchell Report, not all of them looked like Canseco or had a melon head like Bonds (even though Andruw has a melon head--but he always has). I don't think LoDuca or Gagne looked ripped when they were jucing and on the Dodgers. I am starting to think that it is a real possibility.
You do bring up good points though--age and style of play. Also, I still saw Jones' front knee "giving" a bit like it was last season. He did look better, but every pitcher in baseball knows that all you have to give AJ is a steady diet of low and away breaking balls and he will swing over the top each and every time (at least he did in LA). Most of the time the pitches weren't even close, practically in the dirt, but he would still swing. As you mentioned, BP can be quite deceving.
Posted by: cutmeibleedblue | January 14, 2009 at 10:49 PM
KingMayan,
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. The Mitchell report came out after the 2007 season. Andruw's decline had started by the 2006 all-star break. He also posted his best years after testing for PEDs started. He didn't just suddenly start getting fat either. He's been getting pudgier and pudgier for years and years now. This isn't a new thing. Braves fans were complaining about his physique for a long time.
Posted by: nixa37 | January 14, 2009 at 10:50 PM
I know not all PEDs cause you to bulk up, however I have yet to hear about a PED that causes you to get fatter and fatter every year. Jones was never really gaining muscle. He just slowly got thicker and thicker because he never needed to be in good shape to be a great player. Jones looks far more like the skinny kid from high school whose metabolism slowed down and caused him to gain a lot of weight because he was used to eating whatever he wanted than he ever looked like a PED user.
Posted by: nixa37 | January 14, 2009 at 10:54 PM
I'm a amateur bodybuilder I think I know what I'm talking about!! And for the Mitchell report, Mitchell started investigating around that time!!! Also, there all type of "peds" (prohormones, dianabol, test, etc.)!!
Posted by: KingMayan! | January 14, 2009 at 11:00 PM
Ok then nixa he was just taking HGH!!
Posted by: KingMayan! | January 14, 2009 at 11:02 PM
Jones' contract was no bueno.
Posted by: kdub | January 14, 2009 at 11:05 PM
And I hate the Tomahawk Chop.
Posted by: kdub | January 14, 2009 at 11:07 PM
If the Braves bring Andruw back it shouldn't be for anything more than the minimum $400k. How could you justify giving him 7 figures when you wouldn't even pony up a couple extra million to keep Smoltz around.
Also, several people have mentioned that Jones would be a better CF option than anything the Braves currently have in their system....Seriously? Did you see him last year? As long as that person plays solid defense and hits .250 they would provide more than what anyone would guess Jones would do. I don't care if he looks fit now, because that doesn't necessarily translate to him being able to return to old form and actually make some contact.
I say sign him, but for nothing more than a 4th outfielder. Then, if he doesn't pan out, you've lost nothing.
Posted by: bobby cox is my father | January 14, 2009 at 11:09 PM
I know a lot about PEDs myself. I go to a technology/science based school and I've learned the chemistry behind them and I understand how the different PEDs work. You're talking about a guy who never underwent any significant body changes, never had a truly discernible spike in performance, and who performed at a very high level from the time he was an 180 pound teenager until he was a 30 year that looked pudgy and out of shape. What proof do you have other than him gaining weight (which he had been doing for years) and his sudden drop off in performance (which has happened to many players who clearly never took steroids...case in point Dale Murphy at age 32)?
Posted by: nixa37 | January 14, 2009 at 11:10 PM
"I know a lot about PEDs myself. I go to a technology/science based school and I've learned the chemistry behind them and I understand how the different PEDs work."
Posted by: nixa37 | January 14, 2009 at 11:10 PM
Really? Why don't you explain then? And what school is that?
Posted by: bobby cox is my father | January 14, 2009 at 11:12 PM
Ummm...HGH is supposed to help decrease body fat and improve lean muscle mass...When exactly did Andruw experience any of those effects?
Posted by: nixa37 | January 14, 2009 at 11:12 PM
And why did he stop taking HGH if it still isn't tested for?
Posted by: nixa37 | January 14, 2009 at 11:13 PM
AJ's drop in performance was FAR more severe than Dale Murphy's. Murph became average for a couple of seasons before he finally had to walk away. AJ went from Very Good to Terrible over the course of a season.
Posted by: FineHamAbounds | January 14, 2009 at 11:14 PM
Well your saying he was a skinny kid with a good metabolism!!
Posted by: KingMayan! | January 14, 2009 at 11:15 PM
HGH isn't the only performance enhancing drug out there.
Posted by: bobby cox is my father | January 14, 2009 at 11:15 PM
Really? Why don't you explain then? And what school is that?
Posted by: bobby cox is my father | January 14, 2009 at 11:12 PM
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Its really none of your business and I don't like giving out information about myself on the internet. Suffice it to say, its one of the top few in the country. If you really want to know, why don't you post your email address and I'll send you an email from my school account.
As for explaining how PEDs work, you'd have to specify which PED first...different ones work in different ways.
Posted by: nixa37 | January 14, 2009 at 11:16 PM
riiiight.
Posted by: bobby cox is my father | January 14, 2009 at 11:16 PM
besides, i was being sarcastic. my point is that not only are there many different PED's out there, that act in different ways with different people. it'd be hard to look at most people (bonds being an exception) and tell whether or not they've used PED's before.
Posted by: bobby cox is my father | January 14, 2009 at 11:20 PM
As quoted above:
"I saw him on the sidelines of the G-Tech game in that Braves hat and almost sh!t"
Funny, I had the same reaction, but as a Dodger fan, not in a good way.
So he shows up with his new contract last season bloated and sluggish. Was absolutely putrid all season and could not wait to get out. Then even though he's still officially a Dodger (for at least a day), he shows up wearing a Braves hat. How am I supposed to feel about that other than utterly irritated (at best)?
Anyway, he's all yours, enjoy him. Meanwhile, thanks for nothing, 'druw.
Posted by: underdog | January 14, 2009 at 11:20 PM
well i believe a few things need to change for the braves to turn it around, bringing andruw back doesn't hurt us but doesn't help us tremendously either as everyone said already, but i strongly believe bobby cox needs to go... im sick of hearing "oh they love playin for him" when it doesn't seem that way at all and i still dont believe he deserved a contract extension... but back to the andruw topic he can be in the best shape of his career but that's not gonna help him hit a baseball if he can't see it and is too arrogant to receive help from pendleton. I believe thats why many braves fan were happy he was leaving when they heard he refused help and now he is crawling back to us hoping we accept him with open arms.
Posted by: atheleticsNbraves | January 14, 2009 at 11:22 PM
Wow since I'm arguing with 3 different people apparently...
FineHamAbounds, go check out Murphy's baseball-reference page. He went from posting OPS+ of 142, 149, 149, 152, 121, 157 to posting 106, 89, 99...Andruw was never nearly that good offensively to begin with. His decline also happened over the course of 2.5 seasons, and last year was a fairly small sample size in which he was dealing with injuries. It is hard to find a good comparison to Andruw, but then again there have been very few like him in ML history to begin with.
Bobby cox is my father, of course there are other PEDs. If you bothered reading the posts above, KingMayan accused Andruw of using HGH specifically so I responded to that.
KingMayan, are you insinuating that Andruw was taking HGH from the time he was 18 or 19 onward? People's metabolism's slow down during their 20's. That's a fact of like. If you think every person that gains weight in their late 20's is coming off of HGH, you must think there are a lot of users out there. And again, why would he stop taking HGH when there is no way to test for it? That's just completely nonsensical. Of course in your mind, that apparently more likely than the natural body changes we expect to see in humans.
Posted by: nixa37 | January 14, 2009 at 11:24 PM
There is alot of people that think old school MLB players didn't take steroids, well steroids have been around a long time! Don't be fooled!!! Even babe ruth couldve took steroids, I'm not saying he did but if he wanted to he could!!! The difference is there better roid's out there now, back then they did just more harm than build muscle!!!
Posted by: KingMayan! | January 14, 2009 at 11:28 PM