Dodgers Rework Andruw Jones Deal

smart move...

like now dude.

did the dodgers find a wait out? Highly doubtful. Colleti isnt that smart.

Interesting, didn't know this kind of thing was possible with a contract. If so you would think more teams would look for a way out of bad contract.

I wish the Yankees could have done this with Giambi and Pavano.

Not to nitpick, but not once in that report you linked do they have the word "Buyout" mentioned. It says they are working on a deal which could save them 12 million, which could be anything, a trade (Of course it doesn't mention if there's any salary coming back in such a trade), possibly a buyout.

This is Simers talking...pure sarcasm. What player gives away $10 mil?

Why on earth would Andruw Jones agree to this? All he has to do is show up for a year and he gets all of the money. He can agree to the deal, get less money and be banished from the players association for life.

The reason the A-Rod to boston deal didn't happen is because the Players Association refused to permit Rodriguez to have his contract slightly reduced.

Maybe the Dodgers could agree to give Jones the same amount of money but paid over say the next 10 years, with interest.

call me chipper
would you want to be known as the stephon marbury of baseball?? lol...........i would!!!

I agree with those that think if he was to be bought out (which really is not happening for the reasons stated), that the Yanks should take a chance.

Simers is in la-la land on this one.

Unless the Dodgers' Players Manual states that a player can be fired "for any reason or no reason," this ain't gonna happen.

Offer to pay him $18 million and you *might* get somewhere.

@ink-stained scribe: $4 million.

"you can never doubt the almighty Scott Boras."

Well said, Mr. Silva.

this thing has become a financial and cultural disaster.

Cosmo, that is an absolutely terrible proposal. That would never fly for one, and two, the Padres would never do that trade as they would be getting completely ripped off. Not to mention, who would the Mets get for Delgado?

Mets should just try to do the Castillo for Jones deal that was rumored to be discussed a week or two ago. That would fill some needs for both teams, as Jones could slot into RF for the Mets, and the Dodgers get a 2B after Kent leaves.

From what you describe Drew Silva, it sounds like an agreement to defer some of the money owed to Jones.

They could, theoretically, take 12 million off the payroll for next year (With Player/Agent consent of course), and agree to pay it (With Interest) spread evenly over 2011-2016, for example.

Cosmo Kramer always jokes. I think.

Cosmo Kramer has made me 5x dumber just by reading that absurd trade proposal.

Just a note...according to Cots Baseball Contracts, Jones is making an additional $2.1 million in signing bonuses, increasing the total liability to $17.1 million. As I've charted pitchers against Jones many times in 2008, the guy can't hit a breaking ball. Changing batting stances never helped his cause.

is it safe to say that andruw jones' next team is his last shot?

and who takes a flyer on him?

Sounds like shady dealing between Ned and Boras, the 2 slimeballs of the MLB.

This won't happen, because neither Jones nor Boras would accept him being worth anything less than 20million a year, when he isn't even worth league minimum.

Dodgers are stuck with him, and he will unemployed after this year.

The only thing in the Dodgers favour is if they play the real hard line, which they won't they could possibly force Boras into a tough situation given he represents Manny.

Dodgers next offer to manny should be 2/40, and not a cent higher.

By doing so, of course, Coletti would be conceding that he made a really big mistake signing Andruw. Then again, the Pierre contract was dumb, too.

Remember though that Manny, Dunn, Abreu, Bradley are all on the market, this doesn't get solved anytime soon if at all, because I have no idea why any team would be interested in him. If i were a GM, I would need the Dodgers to pick up most of the money, and chip in at least an A-level prospect.

I get Billingsly and Jones and the Dodgers get some salary relief.

Jones is owed 22.1 Million.

Dodgers say they will save 12 million. If I am reading that correctly, saving means it will never be paid.

So they would essentially only be paying him 10.1 million and Jones is just giving away 12 million.

Why on earth would Jones do this? Scott Boras knows there are no suitors for Manny at a price tag over 20 million and he is trying to pull this act of insanity?

Theo, I think the Dodgers think another team is going to pick up 10million, which is laughable.

The problem is the Dodgers don't want players in return, they want salary relief. They are not going to take on most of the burden. The above example of Melky is classic, Melky wouldn't see a game ahead of Kemp, Manny, Pierre and Ethier.

The Dodgers want to unload money, thats it and in this market it isn't happening.

Why is this being allowed? A few years back didnt the MLBPA refuse to allow A Rod to rework his contract in a deal to be traded from Texas to Boston?

even the MLBPA probably can concede anything that gets Jones out of LA is good for Jones, he isn't playing in LA and therefore hurts his long run value. If he doesn't get out of LA, I can see this being his last major leauge contract, maybe he gets minor league one but thats it.

A-Rod didn't need to take a pay cut to get playing time.

the MLBPA wouldnt let him just take a 10m paycut, but i believe they would allow him to reduce his base salary, and have incentives clauses that allow him to reach what his contract was.

But a club that just let 9 free agents (Penny,Lowe, Beimel, Saito, Maddux, Kent, Chan Ho Park, Nomar, Manny) is crying about $10m?

The mechanics of this deal could go something like this. Say the Dodgers wanted to reduce Jones's salary to 5 million. They would use the remaining money owed to him to purchase an annuity from an insurance company (similar to what state lotteries do). The annuity contract would then pay Jones at a certain rate for a certain time. For simplicity's sake, let's say it will pay 1 mil a year for 16 years. The result is that Jones has a 5 mil salary, which is then more tradeable. They could also decide to buy him out fully using a similar purchase of an annuity. I would assume that for salary cap purposes, the Dodgers would be "on the hook" for whatever they reduce Jones's salary to, plus the cost of the annuity. Hope this helps.

"melky makes next to nothing ?? Why wouldn't the dodgers bite since he is also a trading chip.."

Better question... why would the yankees make that trade. Melky is an average player... but frankly that's better for the yankees than gambling jones has something.

Nobody is giving anything for Jones until he proves he can still play. He's in the winter league now and "is hitting .188 through five games with three singles and eight strikeouts in 16 at-bats." And he still has the WBC and Spring Training, if he regains something he'll get traded, if not he'll be in dodger blue

If my figures aren't exact, forgive me, but whatever Jones is owed can be deferred using the purchase of an annuity to make it work. Jones will still be paid full value, but just get it over a much longer period of time.

plus deferred money is future income, income he won't have unless he starts playing, becuase no one is going to sign the guy next year unless he starts playing good again.

Queenscat, Melky's value decreased after a poor season, and he wasn't a main piece in any Santana deal, it was "also Melky and.."

Boston just had a hard time trading Crisp, who had a better season, including a good postseason and is better in CF - only one or 2 teams interested. CF is a full position, no one is shopping for CF's anymore.

Just to complicate matters a little more, the MLBPA should balk if the final payout to Jones does not equal 22 million in present day dollars. But as long as the annuity contract is constructed correctly, Jones will get more money over time, but equal to the present value of 22.1 million (as a dollar today is worth more than a dollar 20 years from now, because you can put, for example, 50 cents into a bank account and, with compound interest, get a dollar in 20 years).

i've from my sources that the dodgers will be paying jones 10 million this year while spreading out the other 12 across the next three yrs at 4 mil a piece.

He got fat, lazy, and rich.
He wasn't a young kid trying to provide for his family anymore, he got his paycheck and let his weight balloon to 260lbs, and it wasnt muscle. The weight caused him to lose bat-speed and the decline in the range.

Deferring Jones' salary reduces it in terms of real dollars, and given the current interest rate environment, any increase in the total payout may actually result in Jones receiving less in terms of real dollars than if he received all the money in 2009.

If I am Jones, I don't want my agent negotiating to alter my contract so that another of the agent's clients can benefit.

well rich...if your jones, do you sit on the bench the whole year at 22 mill or do you defer some of the money and hope to find a new team offering more pt in hopes to restore you career.

the talent is there, just hidden beneath 40lbs of fat. look at him, he has the body of Miguel Cabrera when he should be like Arod.
it's sad the dodgers cant force him to have a personal trainer and make him lose a bunch of weight this offseason.

What's even more sad is that he is letting his career go down the drain which is more the reason why he's a good risk...I'm sure he sees everything being written about him..isn't that and walking into a walk year enough motivation!!

the annuity idea makes a lot of sense. Jones gets his money, deferred with an inflation hedge, and gets traded to a team where he'll get some playing time. There's got to be an end-of-the-rotation pitcher out there that the dodgers can get in return. Or even a prospect or two. Anything would be an addition over Jones' contribution to the dodgers over the past two years. Is there an open roster spot in Pittsburg? Kansas City? Oakland? Seattle? Anywhere?

Andrew was finished when he left the Braves. this is one that Scott Boras got by on this one,you might as well say Amdrew pulled a robbery on the Ned, Just like Hampton rob the BRAVES,when he signed with the Astros,good luck with them two players,never in the Braves plans again

CutMe,

1. I was being sarcastic because to get rid of Jones, you have to give up something else with him.

2. If Manny is signed, LA owes close to 60 million to outfielders who will be sitting on the bench.

Plain and simple ...jones is a sad case!!! Seems like yesterday when he hit the 2 homers in the WS vs. The yanks for the braves....would be a nice comeback story!

I was going to also say that the situation regarding Andruw Jones is quite similar to the reconfiguration of a contract that Bobby Bonilla got while playing for the NY Mets in 2000. If this allows the Dodgers to pursue Manny Ramirez, then kudos to Ned Colletti

the talent is there, just hidden beneath 40lbs of fat. look at him, he has the body of Miguel Cabrera when he should be like Arod.
it's sad the dodgers cant force him to have a personal trainer and make him lose a bunch of weight this offseason.
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According to reports I heard he reported to the Dominican winter league in pretty good shape having lost a lot of weight. Getting his hitting and timing together after being off the field for so long might take some time though.

thats what I had seen also about him reporting in good shape..

Why the hell do you keep calling him Man-Ny? His name is MANNYWOOD!!!