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Jake Peavy Will Not Accept Trade to White Sox
6:10pm: Ken Rosenthal argues that Peavy's decision to nix the deal was justified, saying, "If I were Jake Peavy, I would not go to the White Sox."
Rosenthal thinks back to the offseason, when the Padres "blew two chances" to trade Peavy. "The Braves clearly offered a better package than the White Sox. The Cubs' deal might have turned out better, too." He writes tha the longer the Padres take to deal Peavy, the less they will get in return.
Rosenthal has doubts about the White Sox's ability to compete in the future, and he says that this may have been on Peavy's mind when he rejected the trade.
5:53pm: Jon Heyman writes that Peavy will speak to the media shortly after 6pm CST. He also mentions that the White Sox were asked by the Padres earlier in the day if they had "any ideas on how to persuade" Peavy to accept the deal.
5:41pm: Joe Cowley and Toni Ginnetti of the Chicago Sun-Times are reporting that sources close to Peavy say that he has notified the Padres that he will not accept a trade to the White Sox. Peavy talked it over with his family and decided not to make the move. Manager Ozzie Guillen admitted he was surprised the Sox were willing to take on the $60MM commitment.
5:25pm: Via Twitter, Jon Heyman reports that the White Sox will not try to convince Peavy to agree to the deal by committing to pick up the $22MM option in his contract for 2013. This is still in Peavy's hands.
1:27pm: Gonzales has more from Linebrink about his conversation with Peavy. Linebrink didn't see the AL/NL thing as a big concern for Peavy.
Also, Diamond Leung passes along a Ned Colletti interview with Dan Patrick today. The Dodgers GM spoke to Towers about a Peavy trade as recently as a month ago but the asking price was too high. Meanwhile the Red Sox have not been involved, according to Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe.
12:47pm: Tom Krasovic of the San Diego Union-Tribune says Peavy will likely not be traded to the White Sox, presumably because he'll veto the deal if it reaches that point. Krasovic notes that in addition to Poreda and Richard, Lance Broadway has been discussed.
Joe Cowley of the Chicago Sun-Times explains why the trade would make sense for the Sox and why it wouldn't.
12:21pm: Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports says beyond Poreda and Richard, the Padres would choose two players to be named later from a list of four. Axelrod explained the situation to Rosenthal:
"Approval or disapproval is not necessarily black or white. Depending on what is involved could make it more desirable or less desirable. There may be certain things he has to have as conditions. We're not near the point of talking about that, what he would want to see adjusted if he were to approve."
11:52am: ESPN's Jerry Crasnick talked to Axelrod, who gave the impression that Peavy is leaning against accepting the trade:
"If I had to make a bet on it, I would guess that Jake would say he's not ready to take that step today. But he wouldn't necessarily preclude it at any time in the future."
Peavy maintains his strong preference for the NL.
11:31am: Brock talked to Peavy's agent Barry Axelrod. Axelrod hasn't spoken to Peavy yet today, but was asked by the Padres "about Jake's feeling about the possibility of (playing for) the White Sox."
10:11am: ESPN's Peter Gammons says Beckham is not part of the deal. CBS' Danny Knobler says it would be Poreda, Richard, and one or two others. The others would also be pitchers, says Knobler. Yahoo's Gordon Edes says the White Sox have agreed to send four pitching prospects including Poreda and Richard.
ESPN's Bruce Levine talked to White Sox pitcher and former Peavy teammate Scott Linebrink, who gave Peavy a 50-50 chance of accepting the deal.
9:39am: MLB.com's Corey Brock and Scott Merkin say Poreda and Clayton Richard are believed to be part of the deal.
9:19am: Jon Heyman says the White Sox and Padres have agreed to a Peavy trade, and await the pitcher's approval. MLB.com's Corey Brock agrees. Ken Williams, always operating under the radar. Now we get to see just how much Peavy hates the AL.
Peavy is owed an additional $8.35MM this year, $15MM in '10, $16MM in '11, $17MM in '12, and a $4MM buyout for '13. Total: $60.35MM guaranteed through 2012. It is surprising to see the White Sox willing to take on such a commitment to a pitcher.
No idea if he's involved, but yes, the Sox could trade Gordon Beckham in this deal as a player to be named later.
9:09am: Via Gonzales on Twitter: "Waiting for approval from Peavy on SD trade, according to source."
6:51am: Tom Krasovic of the San Diego Union-Tribune is reporting that the Padres are in discussions to send Jake Peavy to the White Sox.
According to Padres personnel, Peavy met with Padres manager Bud Black late Wednesday night to discuss a trade overture from the Sox.
It is apparently a four-player offer, which would presumably gut Chicago's farm system. Peavy would have to approve any trade and according to Krasovic Peavy is telling people that the trade is "something to think about." However, Krasovic says Peavy "may have reservations about pitching for Ozzie Guillen."
MLB.com's Corey Brock asked Peavy about the rumor. He said, "I only know what you guys [media] know." Brock expects the Padres would require a frontline pitcher like Aaron Poreda. Scot Gregor of the Daily Herald makes the Poreda link as well, but finds Peavy's contract prohibitive. Mark Gonzales of the Chicago Tribune says the Padres had a scout watching the White Sox last weekend in Toronto. Meanwhile, SI's Jon Heyman says Peavy still prefers the West or Midwest and the NL. Heyman likes the Cubs or Brewers.
Cork Gaines writes for RaysIndex.com and can be reached here. Tim Dierkes also contributed to this post.
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Wow, any speculation for who? I'd be okay giving up Flowers (the Padres wanted him from the Braves) and Alexei, but I hope they aren't giving up Poreda or Beckham, their supposedly untouchable prospects.
Posted by: Christina | May 21, 2009 at 07:06 AM
If there is a grain of truth to these rumors, I have to believe Poreda is the centrpiece of the deal. Towers wants an elite prospects and his previous trade partners have little to offer.
Posted by: OmegaMan | May 21, 2009 at 07:09 AM
@ Omega
I agree, Poreda would almost certainly have to be in the deal.
Posted by: seanh | May 21, 2009 at 07:12 AM
I agree Omega, I think it'll center around Poreda and Alexei and probably a few C prospects. Crazy news to wake up to. I hope this gets done.
Posted by: astralpanda | May 21, 2009 at 07:19 AM
This is a very intriguing rumor. I know the White Sox have the pieces to get it done, but would they give up a Poreda to get it done? Poreda is practically guarenteed to be included in any deal. The Padres want more than Poreda though. I think Christina was right in assuming that Alexei would be included, too, as the Padres need a Shortstop. We'll see what happens.
Posted by: soxfan93 | May 21, 2009 at 07:19 AM
If you trade Alexei, you have Jayson Nix as your starting SS. This trade seems like a move to keep them competitive this season. I don't see how trading Alexei does that. Beckham isn't quite ready, or at least Ozzie doesn't want him up yet.
Posted by: seanh | May 21, 2009 at 07:24 AM
Can anybody give me a little background on how good Poreda is?
Posted by: Jdececchi | May 21, 2009 at 07:28 AM
No chance the Pads make this deal without getting Beckham and Poreda in return.
Posted by: E K | May 21, 2009 at 07:28 AM
i would crap my pants. seriously. poreda and beckham? kenny isn't that desperate...
Posted by: part-time pariah | May 21, 2009 at 07:32 AM
Correct me if i'm wrong, but a player cannot be traded the first year after they sign their initial contract. (Beckham)
Posted by: seanh | May 21, 2009 at 07:32 AM
You can't trade Beckham per MLB rules - minimum 1 year from contract signing date which was August.
Posted by: 4appling | May 21, 2009 at 07:32 AM
If I am Jim Hendry, I am back on the phone looking to see how I can clear payroll to get Peavy.
I'd look into dealing Lee (to dump salary). Problem is he has that no trade clause and has said in the past he'd waive it to go to a West Coast team. Assuming he would decline a trade to the Mets (perfect fit), I'd look to the Angels for Brandon Wood. The Cubs could look into converting him to first when ARAM comes back. Dumping Lee would then allow them to take on Peavy's contract. Then I'd look to deal Wells (while he's hot), Marshall, and Vitters for Peavy.
If possible (but OBVIOUSLY not likely)....see if you can get Heath Bell by throwing in Samradjza and whatever else it would take.
I am well aware this is VERY unlikely to happen......but fun to think about.
Posted by: E K | May 21, 2009 at 07:33 AM
"Can anybody give me a little background on how good Poreda is?"
Needs better breaking stuff, but has a blistering fastball. Not necessarily MLB ready, though i'd have liked to see him in the bullpen. He threw a rain-shortened no hitter, but can also be a little bit wild...
i know that's not the full rundown, but i'm late for work, lol...
Posted by: part-time pariah | May 21, 2009 at 07:33 AM
Beckham could technically be traded as a PTBN.
Posted by: soxfan93 | May 21, 2009 at 07:34 AM
"Beckham could technically be traded as a PTBN. "
and that's what scares the hell out of me. i still don't see this happening though. it doesn't scream 'this is a move kenny williams would make' to me.
Posted by: part-time pariah | May 21, 2009 at 07:35 AM
damn you soxfan 93
Posted by: oxfrat1665 | May 21, 2009 at 07:36 AM
I agree completely. Kenny Williams kind of reminds me of Theo Epstein. He might consider dealing the future but it's very unlikely to happen. It's possible, but it would really take Alexei to figure it out again.
Posted by: soxfan93 | May 21, 2009 at 07:37 AM
"You can't trade Beckham per MLB rules - minimum 1 year from contract signing date which was August."
I know that is true for free agents who have just signed. Wasn't aware that was the case for draftees. Not saying you're wrong, just wasn't aware that was the case.
So then SD would have to ask for Poreda and Alexi. They aren't going to trade away Peavy this far away from the trade deadline unless they get blown away.
Posted by: E K | May 21, 2009 at 07:38 AM
i came here to say that i thought beckham couldn't be traded yet, but i was beaten to it.
i'd be surprised to see the sox do this. they VERY begrudgingly gave buehrle his extension a couple years ago, they don't like giving pitchers extended years/dollars. peavy's owed a good chunk of change over the next few years, and they've been cutting payroll wherever they can this year. and, if you believe some speculation out there, peavy's a prime candidate for an injury. that said, if there's anyone who can surprise, it's KW.
Posted by: 100backeduptrucks | May 21, 2009 at 07:39 AM
This would just be the final nail in the coffin that is the utter dismal failure of an offseason that Jim Hendry had. Have at him White Sox. Good for you. If anyone needs me, I'll be on the ledge.
Posted by: MGb | May 21, 2009 at 07:42 AM
Yes, SD could take a PTBNL in a trade but Towers would get strung up if he didn't bring back immediate help. Poreda would seem to be a sure thing. I'm worried about losing Brandon Allen as much as Alexei Ramirez but it will take a lot to get JP. Funny, he has concerns about playing for Ozzie - Sox player always say they love playing for him. Outside perception becomes reality I guess.
Posted by: 4appling | May 21, 2009 at 07:52 AM
I would build a package around Poreda - no way would/should Beckham be included.
Posted by: southsider | May 21, 2009 at 07:54 AM
Guys, Beckham is not going ANYWHERE! He is one of the best prospects in baseball and clearly the future of the White Sox, so stop worrying about him being in this deal. Kenny is aggresive and he likes to gamble, but he's not an idiot.
As a Sox fan, I'm not even sure I want this to happen if we have to give up any of our top position prospects. Peavy is a great pitcher, but I'm not sure even he can right the ship this season.
Posted by: Joe | May 21, 2009 at 07:54 AM
I'm from the San Diego area and believe it or not this trade is alot closer to happening then some people think. Based on what I've heard online, the radio and tv the White Sox have offered by far the best package for Peavy to date. The deal supposedly would be Peavy for Aaron Poreda, Clayton Richard, either Chris Getz or Alexi Ramirez and a 4th player that has been rumored to be anyone from Jermaine Dye, Jordan Danks or Tyler Flowers. There is also a talk now that David Eckstein would also be in the deal to the Sox to presumably hit leadoff and play either second or short depending if Ramirez or Getz was the one traded.. I do not know much about Clayton Richard, Jordan Danks or Aaron Poreda (other then he throws really fast)any info from White Sox fan on those guys would be appreciated.
Posted by: KDfriars | May 21, 2009 at 08:21 AM
"I agree completely. Kenny Williams kind of reminds me of Theo Epstein. He might consider dealing the future but it's very unlikely to happen. It's possible, but it would really take Alexei to figure it out again. "
is this a serious comment? Kenny Williams has sold the farm to bare bones several times.
Posted by: Devmac | May 21, 2009 at 08:22 AM
I see it's been a hot topic, but every deal I have heard so far from sports people in our end has NOT had Gordon Beckham in it. That doesn't mean it won't change, but so far his name has not been mentioned in any of the packages. btw, is Jordan Danks related to the starting pitcher John ? Seems like he would have to be since that name isn't very common
Posted by: KDfriars | May 21, 2009 at 08:24 AM
Buster Olney said on the radio this morning that Peavy will most likely not wave his no-trade clause to go to the ChiSox. Apparently one of Peavy's teammates has said that Peavy has no desire to play for Ozzie Guillen.
Posted by: RoyalBlue | May 21, 2009 at 08:28 AM
"is Jordan Danks related to the starting pitcher John ? Seems like he would have to be since that name isn't very common"
Jordan Danks is John Danks' younger brother.
"The deal supposedly would be Peavy for Aaron Poreda, Clayton Richard, either Chris Getz or Alexi Ramirez and a 4th player that has been rumored to be anyone from Jermaine Dye, Jordan Danks or Tyler Flowers."
There is a HUGE difference between Getz and Alexei Ramirez. Huge. And, I'd assume the 4th player is not Dye, as he's only controlled for a year.
Posted by: melonis rex | May 21, 2009 at 08:32 AM
You are thinking what I was thinking Melonis. The only thing would be if they had a second trade in the works already for Dye. As everyone is well aware of, this isn't a team that is going to take on a player that makes 10 million or whatever Dye makes. Just to be clear there has been no reports or rumors of that second trade for Dye if the Padres even got him in this trade.
Posted by: KDfriars | May 21, 2009 at 08:35 AM
1. The problem with trading both Poreda and Richard is one thing. The White Sox still have Colon in the rotation. The White Sox now have even less pitching depth.
2. If Alexei is indeed in the deal, isn't this a problem? This is completely banking on Getz, who is struggling, and Lillibridge, to man 2B, because the system doesn't have another 2B/SS. And Jordan Danks has to pan out and play CF, or CF remains a black hole in the system. And Gordon Beckham HAS to pan out or the team is screwed.
I do agree that you have to give value to get value, and Peavy's got a lot of value, but I think Kenny should take a good, hard look before dealing Alexei. And this is coming from neither a White Sox nor a Padres fan.
Posted by: melonis rex | May 21, 2009 at 08:40 AM
670 The Score in Chicago is now reporting it is a done deal pending Peavy's waive of the NTC. Sounds like KW needs to turn into a salesman and sell Peavy on the deal in order for this to happen.
His supposed reservations about Ozzie are a little confusing. Ozzie's biggest strength is arguably his handling of the starting pitching staff and he is a big time players manager despite all the nonsense that he gets involved with every season.
Posted by: SoxWin | May 21, 2009 at 08:42 AM
"Buster Olney said on the radio this morning that Peavy will most likely not wave his no-trade clause to go to the ChiSox. Apparently one of Peavy's teammates has said that Peavy has no desire to play for Ozzie Guillen."
You put a lot of interpretation into Olney's report. First, Olney speculated that Peavy wouldn't waive the NTC. And it was hearsay that Peavy MIGHT not want to play for Ozzie. The truth is that pitchers especially love Ozzie - he gives them every opportunity to succeed. Veterans also love Ozzie. One phone call clears that up. If Peavy refuses this trade I SPECULATE that it is because US Cellular is a HR heaven and he has already stated his apprehension about playing in the AL.
Posted by: southsider | May 21, 2009 at 08:43 AM
@melonis
Nix can play 2B
Posted by: striker | May 21, 2009 at 08:44 AM
Jordan Danks was just drafted last summer, right? If so, he can't be included in the deal until at least August, unless he's going to be a PTBNL.
Posted by: William | May 21, 2009 at 08:44 AM
because i'm bored and my cubs suck (at least right now they do), i have a conspiracy theory to offer: the padres are leaking info. out to get the ball rolling on moving peavy. they know he likes chicago, but don't want to go through the cubs nonsense again (at least not publicly). the padres stink, this is common knowledge, their attendance is tanking and this move was always going to happen. they just don't want to wait until the deadline. i guess when the padres played the cubs at wrigley last week, their radio broadcast team flat out said peavy WILL be traded (i myself didn't hear it) and made it sound like it would be sooner rather than later. who knows? still find it hard to believe that the white sox, of all teams, would take on a contract that size/length for a pitcher supposedly with injury concerns.
Posted by: 100backeduptrucks | May 21, 2009 at 08:45 AM
Why would the Padres want Dye for a prorated $11M just to see him walk in the end?
Posted by: southsider | May 21, 2009 at 08:45 AM
If Eckstein's going back in the deal, then that puts him with Getz/Lillibridge/Nix in the MI. Don't see how this is what the ChiSox need to get over the top and stay in front for the rest of the season, though.
Posted by: William | May 21, 2009 at 08:46 AM
I'm fine with giving up Poreda and Richard. I hope that if this deal actually goes through that Beckham, Viciedo, Flowers, and Jordan Danks are not one of the PTBNL's.
Posted by: SoxWin | May 21, 2009 at 08:47 AM
Any deal I have seen has only been Clayton Richard, Aaron Poreda and two PTBNL. The PTBNL scares me. KW can not give up Beckham in this deal!!
Scouting report on the names mentioned: Clayton Richard, LHP throws 90-92 FB with good deception, slider and change needs work but has potential to be middle/end rotation starter down the road. Aaron Poreda, Sox 2007 1st round pick, sits in the mid 90's, but can touch 100 with the FB. secondary offerings are improving but still need work. probably a year away from being a starter but could be a dominant bullpen guy. The other name I heard floated would be Chris Getz, the Sox starting 2B right now. Good contact hitter, no power decent defensive 2B.
If there tryely is PTBNL then I could see CF Jordan Danks going. Good athelte, best college athlete in the draft last year. Good speed, good arm and range on the OF. Power has not developed but he is maintaining a high average and has already moved a level this season.
Posted by: mboss | May 21, 2009 at 08:47 AM
"Funny, he has concerns about playing for Ozzie - Sox player always say they love playing for him. Outside perception becomes reality I guess."
I wouldn't go that far. Some players take shots at Ozzie when they leave town. Ordonez, McCarthy and Swisher come to mind. Not saying they are or are not justified or whatever. Just saying not everyone loves playing for Ozzie.
"btw, is Jordan Danks related to the starting pitcher John ?"
Yes, Jordan is John's younger brother.
"I'm from the San Diego area and believe it or not this trade is alot closer to happening then some people think."
Don't forget, in Chicago Peavy was a Cub a few months ago because of the buzz and reports. Each town has 'hype' generated reporters and radio show hosts and other. I'll take your word the talk you are hearing out there is from the sources who report and do not create. In a way, Williams would be smart to pull this off. The team is basically older (but have some younger guys) and the farm is not strong. If he has enough to interest Towers than he should do it. They have massive rebuilding to do, but this year they can give it a shot. The Sox need somthing to seperate themselves and add pitching. They are in a window of do something now. Seems odd they would go after Peavy though. He is owed a lot of money in Sox pitching terms. Most everywhere else he is considered a bargin.
Posted by: studio179 | May 21, 2009 at 08:47 AM
If this is true I'd have to say it's a good deal for both sides, but I hope the Sox get some $ from the Padres and I don't think he's worth as much as he's getting paid (which is my opinion on most MLB players). Even $3/mil/year.
Richard can be a very effective pitcher and the fact he will have a low pressure situation in SD, full time opportunity and a pitcher's park all go in his favor.
One thing I do have to say is that none of the prospects KW has traded so far have really contributed much anywhere (Young, Sweeney, Gonzalez, Reed).
Posted by: striker | May 21, 2009 at 08:48 AM
"The deal supposedly would be Peavy for Aaron Poreda, Clayton Richard, either Chris Getz or Alexi Ramirez and a 4th player that has been rumored to be anyone from Jermaine Dye, Jordan Danks or Tyler Flowers."
Way to much to give up for Peavy in that scenario. If the Sox give up Poreda and Richard (who pitched very well in front of SD scouts last week)the other 2 players will not be high profile.
Posted by: southsider | May 21, 2009 at 08:50 AM
Poreda, Richard, Ramirez, and Flowers would be a very good return for the Padres.
That's pretty similar to the package they were asking for from the Braves last winter - a young, under team control shortstop (Ramirez/Escobar), a young catching prospect (Flowers), and two young pitchers that could conceivably step in and help out the ML club this year.
Posted by: William | May 21, 2009 at 08:54 AM
There was a post on the White Sox message board last night from a guy that broke the Garland/Cabrera trade 2 days before it happened last year.
He said it is a done deal if Peavy waives the NTC. Again this was last night, go to the board if you don't believe me (the official one).
I thought it was BS at the time but a wake up this morning and everyone is all the suddent talking about it and Peavy has met with his manager which usually indicates the GM's have agreed to terms.
Posted by: SoxWin | May 21, 2009 at 08:54 AM
White Sox:
Jake Peavy, RHP
Padres:
Aaron Poreda, LHP
Clayton Rihcard, LHP
Chris Getz, 2B
Brent Lillibridge, SS
Posted by: FreeSide | May 21, 2009 at 08:54 AM
I don't know about the Ozzie factor in this rumor. I suspect Ozzie is not different than most managers in terms of guys liking him or not. I'm sure there are many who are happy with Ozzie and his style. Like I posted above, some not so much and some do not say, I would guess. If Peavy says no, I suspect there are other reasons (AL) than just Ozzie. Then again, maybe Ozzie would rub Jake the wrong way. We don't know.
Posted by: studio179 | May 21, 2009 at 08:55 AM
"Way to much to give up for Peavy in that scenario. If the Sox give up Poreda and Richard (who pitched very well in front of SD scouts last week)the other 2 players will not be high profile."
I don't know. I don't think Poreda, Richard, and 2 fringe players gets it done. There has to be at least one other top prospect. Poreda, Richard, a top prospect/young player (Jordan Danks, Alexei, Beckham, etc.) and a fringe guy makes sense.
Posted by: melonis rex | May 21, 2009 at 08:56 AM
I know things can change fast but i still don't think it would be a good idea to waive no-trade rights to go to the white sox. peavy wants to win and being with the white sox who just surrendered the farm to aquire him doesn't put them in contention imo. neither this year nor the next couple. Additionally, U.S. Cellular Field won't help Peavy keep up his good career numbers which he seems so worried about.
Posted by: Baseball@Europe | May 21, 2009 at 08:58 AM
If KW past is any indication at all this deal will not go through because KW has a way of pulling deals out of his a** that no one in the media or fans have even caught a whiff of.
Posted by: jaybruce32 | May 21, 2009 at 09:02 AM
Melonis if you are referring to Chris Getz as that fringe guy, its ok i would have to agree with you as well, but Getz is a top ten prospect in the White Sox system and we all know how badly the Pads need a 2B/SS. If they were too get two in Lilli and Getz i think they would be emphatic.
Posted by: FreeSide | May 21, 2009 at 09:03 AM
"peavy wants to win and being with the white sox who just surrendered the farm to aquire him doesn't put them in contention imo."
The Sox would not be giving up the farm. They will still have Beckham, Viceido (who is starting to heat up after a slow start) Allen, Flowers who will all be with the big club in the next year or so. All are pretty highly touted. For what its worth, the Sox own 4 of the top 100 picks in this years draft, plenty to replenish the system. Losing Poreda is tuff, but you gotta give up something to get something. The young core of Danks, Quentin, Jenks, Ramirez is still under team control and relatively cheap. This deal if it happens does not take them out of contention this year or next.
Posted by: forlife61 | May 21, 2009 at 09:04 AM
Melonis,
Poreda is the Sox top prospect, so it includes a top prospect. He's ranked higher and is more major league ready than the other guys you mentioned. (outside of Alexei who ISNT a prospect)
Posted by: rockraines | May 21, 2009 at 09:04 AM
Poreda is the Sox top prospect, so it includes a top prospect. He's ranked higher and is more major league ready than the other guys you mentioned. (outside of Alexei who ISNT a prospect)
Posted by: rockraines | May 21, 2009 at 09:04 AM
Poreda is far from a sure thing. He only has one plus pitch which is his fastball. There was speculation as recent as spring training that his destination might ultimately be the back of the bullpen if he can't develop more pitches.
So you are trading an ace starting pitcher for a potential front of the rotation starter. If Poreda is the major part of the deal, then this is a no-brainer. Even with the questions surrounding Peavy outside of the NL and Petco Park.
Posted by: SoxWin | May 21, 2009 at 09:17 AM
"Poreda is far from a sure thing. He only has one plus pitch which is his fastball. There was speculation as recent as spring training that his destination might ultimately be the back of the bullpen if he can't develop more pitches."
...which is exactly why the Sox will probably need to add in another top prospect besides Poreda to get this done.
Posted by: melonis rex | May 21, 2009 at 09:22 AM
@baseballeurope
I would hardly call that trading the farm. White Sox have Buehrle, Danks and Floyd under control for the next 3 or so years and they would have Peavy for that same amount of time so Richard and Poreda are expendable.
They are in a very weak division and pulling this trade off would make them even more competitive.
Posted by: striker | May 21, 2009 at 09:26 AM
according to heyman on twitter the deal is agreed to on both sides , with just peavy needing to ok it
Posted by: returner3 | May 21, 2009 at 09:27 AM
Wow...didn't see this coming. Can't say I'm upset he's going to the AL.
Posted by: 86 Mets | May 21, 2009 at 09:27 AM
SI.com has the story right now
Posted by: returner3 | May 21, 2009 at 09:29 AM
White Sox, Padres agree on trade for Peavy, await pitcher's decision
By Jon Heyman, SI.com
The White Sox have reached agreement with the Padres on a trade for Jake Peavy but are awaiting Peavy's approval now, SI.com has learned.
Peavy has full no-trade power and the trade will be entirely his call.
Peavy's agent Barry Axelrod said that Peavy prefers "Middle America,'' so that should work. However, Peavy is also known to like the National League.
The San Diego Union-Tribune reported this morning that the sides were close to a deal.
John Danks and Gavin Floyd have been struggling for the White Sox, who are off to a slow start (17-22) but still have plenty of hope being in a tight AL Central.
The Padres need pitching. Aaron Poreda is the White Sox's top pitching prospect. San Diego also needs a shortstop.
Posted by: returner3 | May 21, 2009 at 09:30 AM
This would just be the final nail in the coffin that is the utter dismal failure of an offseason that Jim Hendry had. Have at him White Sox. Good for you. If anyone needs me, I'll be on the ledge.
Posted by: MGb | May 21, 2009 at 07:42 AM
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As a Cub fan I am wholeheartedly in favor of this move for two reasons: One, because the Cubs don't need another starter. Zambrano will be back this weekend and he, Harden, Lilly, Dempster, Marshall, and even Wells in his 2 starts have all been solid. The Cubs need to fix the bullpen and add a bat, and the best position to find a hitter at is shortstop. I say see what the Nationals will take for Cristian Guzman, move Theriot to 2B and Fontenot back to the bench.
The second reason I like this move is because it prevents the Brewers from getting their grubby little hands on Peavy. Let the Sox have him, it's not like they'll be contenders this year with or without him. Then let the Brewers fumble around the bargain bin for another second or third tier starter who's no better than what they already have.
Posted by: Pinky29 | May 21, 2009 at 09:32 AM
happy he's not going to the Cubs/Braves.
Imagine how ticked their fans must be now that they spent their whole offseason pining for Peavy. Glad he's in the AL.
I'll be interested to compare what the Pads eventually get from this compared to what they were rumored to have received from the Braves or Cubs.
Posted by: philsWSchamps | May 21, 2009 at 09:36 AM
I really don't think this trade will go through (and that's not just my bias as a Royals fan). The White Sox are more than just a starting pitcher away from righting that ship, and I think Peavy knows that.
Posted by: RoyalBlue | May 21, 2009 at 09:38 AM
If Flowers and/or Beckham are not involved the package going to San Diego, then LOL at Padre's fans because you can't tell me that is a better haul than what the Braves were offering.
Posted by: Bravesfan89 | May 21, 2009 at 09:40 AM
I really don't think this trade will go through (and that's not just my bias as a Royals fan). The White Sox are more than just a starting pitcher away from righting that ship, and I think Peavy knows that.
Posted by: RoyalBlue | May 21, 2009 at 09:38 AM
I disagree wtih you big time there. The AL Central IS GARBAGE. Complete garbage, a .500 team will probalby win this division. Sox offense always gets better in the summer and I think you aren't taking into account that Peavy slides into the rotation as a #1 and pushes everyone back a slot and that makes a huge difference. Now Buehrle is your 2 (as he has always been essentially), Danks 3, Floyd 4, Colon 5.
Posted by: SoxWin | May 21, 2009 at 09:42 AM
"If Flowers and/or Beckham are not involved the package going to San Diego, then LOL at Padre's fans because you can't tell me that is a better haul than what the Braves were offering. "
I guarantee you that neither one of them are involved. Beckham for sure KW is not trading him for anything especially a starting pitcher.
Posted by: SoxWin | May 21, 2009 at 09:45 AM
Your all assuming Peavy will even be good in the AL. Most NL pitchers generally take a year to adjust to the AL. Not to mention there are a lot more hitter friendly parks in the AL.
Posted by: Devmac | May 21, 2009 at 09:46 AM
The Sox are next to last in the AL in virtually every offensive category
.245 BA (13th)
157 runs (14th)
.316 OBP (12th)
.389 SLG (12th)
.704 OPS (12th)
23 SB (11th)
Meanwhile their pitching ranks in the middle of the pack in the AL. That's a bold statement to assume that the offense will get better in the summer.
Posted by: RoyalBlue | May 21, 2009 at 09:48 AM
I have zero doubt that he'll adjust to the ballpark and the league. I LOVE KENNY WILLIAMS!!!
Posted by: MPM | May 21, 2009 at 09:48 AM
Wow, cool, finally some real news. Thats cool stuff.
I had heard Chris Young rumours as well recently involving the Yankees, Jays, Angels and others. I wonder if he will be the next to go?
Itll be interesting to see who else is involved with this trade. I have a feeling that it wont just be Peavy coming from SD, I have a feeling that SD will want to send a salary dump along with him.
Posted by: xethicx | May 21, 2009 at 09:49 AM
Peavy will be a 5.00 ERA pitcher for the White Sox. He's a product of SD and has bad NL away numbers, I shudder to think how bad he would be moving to the better-hitting league.
If KW gives away his farm for him, he would traded away most of the chisox best prospects for Swisher-->Betemit and Peavy. That cannot be considered good GMing.
Posted by: PL | May 21, 2009 at 09:52 AM
I'm guessing that Ramirez is part of the deal and the Sox will go with Nix this year and hopefully Beckham is ready next year.
Nix will probably be a pretty decent player (avg SS) so given how poorly Ramirez was playing the team will be substantially better in the short term.
Posted by: OPSMAN | May 21, 2009 at 09:53 AM
"happy he's not going to the Cubs/Braves.
Imagine how ticked their fans must be now that they spent their whole offseason pining for Peavy. Glad he's in the AL."
I am not ticked at all. I felt the Cubs needed BP help more than SP help...even though Peavy is a top of the rotation pitcher. They do need BP help. I did not think they would need hitting help, but obviously they do. Same as offseason for me...Peavy would be great, but other areas need improvement.
As for the Sox, good move if they get Peavy to say yes. Keep him away from Milwaukee. The Cubs clearly have their hands full looking up at both the Cards and Brewers.
Posted by: studio179 | May 21, 2009 at 09:54 AM
"The White Sox are more than just a starting pitcher away from righting that ship, and I think Peavy knows that."
Couldnt disagree with you anymore. The AL central is relatively weak. This is not just a 3 month rental, but a guy who can help you for the next 3-4 years. This stabilizes their rotation, putting Danks and Floyd as your #3 and #4. All this and they still have some guys in AA ( Beckham, Viciedo, Allen, Flowers) who will all be in the bigs in the next year or so. This helps the sox immensely this year and beyond
Posted by: forlife61 | May 21, 2009 at 09:55 AM
Sending Jodie Gerut along with Peavy could solve the lead off problem. Depending on what Chicago gives up, Eckstein may be in the deal.
Whitesox bats will turn around. They do need a lead off hitter though. This offense led the MLB in HRs last year; they will heat up.
Posted by: MetsWhiteSoxFan | May 21, 2009 at 09:57 AM
I say it's gonna be:
Peavy
for
Poreda, B.Allen, Broadway, & Richard
Posted by: peter | May 21, 2009 at 09:58 AM
"Peavy will be a 5.00 ERA pitcher for the White Sox. He's a product of SD and has bad NL away numbers, I shudder to think how bad he would be moving to the better-hitting league. "
I agree with you to a certain degree but you are exaggerating big time. He is definitely a good pitcher and would be an ace on the Sox despite the switch. He still has good splits away from Petco Park and against the AL. Yeah they are not nearly as good as his PETCO stats but they are still good and well above average.
Posted by: SoxWin | May 21, 2009 at 10:01 AM
I'd prefer Giles, but he gets like 9 mil/yr
Posted by: MetsWhiteSoxFan | May 21, 2009 at 10:01 AM
Guillen is a polarizing factor and Peavy is a low key guy. If Peavy does nix this deal, i could see Gullen being the sole reason. He can be harsh and uncontrollable during and after games yaking far to often. Some players may like and need this, but others may be the opposite and Peavy will have the final say.
On the other hand.. Wow.. It will cost the Chisox (probably, not really familiar with the farm hands they have) but the addition of him, along with Floyd, Danks and a healthy Colon should give them the boost they need to push them over the top and as good of a rotation as the "big 3" nearly in the AL East.
Posted by: johns | May 21, 2009 at 10:02 AM
"Peavy will be a 5.00 ERA pitcher for the White Sox. He's a product of SD and has bad NL away numbers, I shudder to think how bad he would be moving to the better-hitting league."
I love when people say silly things. So now Peavy is a bad pitcher and purely a product of Petco? lol.
And yes the offense will get better Royal Blue as it does pretty much every summer. The central is just too weak not to go for it.
Posted by: tdogg | May 21, 2009 at 10:03 AM
Giles is an FA at the end of the year, and besides, if you're playing him, where are you putting Dye?
Posted by: William | May 21, 2009 at 10:03 AM
""Peavy will be a 5.00 ERA pitcher for the White Sox. He's a product of SD and has bad NL away numbers, I shudder to think how bad he would be moving to the better-hitting league.""
I actually agree with you.
Is Peavy good? Yes.
He's not going to be a 5.00 ERA pitcher.
However, he's not going to be the ace the Sox will trade for him like and pay him like.
"If KW gives away his farm for him, he would traded away most of the chisox best prospects for Swisher-->Betemit and Peavy. That cannot be considered good GMing."
Last offseason was awful for Kenny.
Posted by: melonis rex | May 21, 2009 at 10:11 AM
"Guillen is a polarizing factor and Peavy is a low key guy. If Peavy does nix this deal, i could see Gullen being the sole reason. He can be harsh and uncontrollable during and after games yaking far to often. Some players may like and need this, but others may be the opposite and Peavy will have the final say."
Ozzie is actually a big time players manager though. As long as you are putting in 100% effort and not doing dumb thigns he will always be in your corner. He is great at handling starting pitchers also, notice how the Sox never have DL issues with starters.
Posted by: SoxWin | May 21, 2009 at 10:12 AM
The truth is nobody knows how Peavy will translate. Everyone knows he's been lights out in Petco, but he also has been pretty good away. His small sample interleague stats are good. Peavy's future performance if healthy (enhanced by a great medical White Sox Staff) really should not be a problem.
I hated the Swisher deal. No defending it. We need to see the real names here before judging this deal.
Hard not to like Peavy in the rotation though.
Posted by: tdogg | May 21, 2009 at 10:24 AM
wow. 17-22 and Kenny Williams is making power moves.
you taking notes Omar?
Posted by: bishop2136 | May 21, 2009 at 10:27 AM
The ChiSox continue to Bitch slap the Cubs.
Posted by: DKA | May 21, 2009 at 10:29 AM
Now that Beckham has been ruled out, I think one of Alexei or Getz is involved. I just see them getting a middle infielder in all this.
I know, HUGE difference between Alexei and Getz, but if the 3rd player is Alexei, then the 4th player will probably be some AAAA fringe type.
Posted by: melonis rex | May 21, 2009 at 10:30 AM
MLB.com is saying Clayton Richard and Aaron Poreda will be the center pieces of the deal.
Posted by: pavilionbum | May 21, 2009 at 10:30 AM
Great move, if they can get it done, as long as Beckham isnt in the package.
Gotta love Kenny.
Posted by: southsideirish | May 21, 2009 at 10:34 AM
I cant believe there's Sox fans that are actually against this deal. Seriously?
This guy is one of the best pitchers in baseball. How could any fan of any team be angry about this acquisition? I really dont understand the mindset here.
So many fans want their teams to win right now and they complain endlessly about what the teams and management are doing wrong when their teams are losing but then when the team goes out and tries to make a deal for one of the best pitchers in baseball, they complain more.
What would all of you sox fans who obviously know more than Kenny Williams do to solidify the rotation? Who would all of you put in there?
What you guys are missing is that yes its true Peavy pitches in a pitchers park BUT he also isnt a fly ball pitcher, he gets a tonne of strikeouts and groundballs and that works out well regardless of which park the guy pitches in.
If my Jays were to go out and get Peavy tomorrow, I would do a standing backflip, nevermind sitting here moaning and groaning about it.
I fail to see the logic in complaining about the addition of a guy like Peavy to a rotation that already boasts some real good arms.
Posted by: xethicx | May 21, 2009 at 10:36 AM
I must have missed the backlash from Sox fans posts.
Posted by: tdogg | May 21, 2009 at 10:39 AM
I must have missed the backlash from Sox fans posts.
Posted by: tdogg | May 21, 2009 at 10:39 AM
wow. 17-22 and Kenny Williams is making power moves.
you taking notes Omar?
Posted by: bishop2136 | May 21, 2009 at 10:27 AM
Yeah but our division is garbage. A .500 team will win the Al Central easily.
Posted by: SoxWin | May 21, 2009 at 10:41 AM
The ChiSox continue to Bitch slap the Cubs.
Posted by: DKA | May 21, 2009 at 10:29 AM
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Please enlighten me as to how this is "bitch slapping" the Cubs. The White Sox will still be bad this year, with or without Peavy (although he certainly won't hurt). The Cubs have one of the NL's best rotations already. The Sox getting Peavy prevents the Brewers or Cardinals from getting him, thereby helping the Cubs. Win-Win as far as I'm concerned.
Posted by: Pinky29 | May 21, 2009 at 10:46 AM
It would be kinda cool if news of this deal was leaked to get Peavy to agree to a different one ... say: To NYY (for Hughes, Wang, Duncan, De la Rosa / Kontos)
Smokescreens are rarely ever used anymore.
Posted by: rossdfarian | May 21, 2009 at 10:48 AM
If the Pads get Poreda and Richard, this is already MUCH better than what the Braves or Cubs offered. We get the Whitesox (#16 in overall talent) #2 and #3 prospects for 2009 according to the BA. Also, they are both pitchers who are MLB ready or very close.
Love this for the Pads. The other two players are gravy.
Posted by: SoCalFriar | May 21, 2009 at 10:51 AM
The difference with the Cub rumor was that the teams never agreed on the players. Apparently, the team have already come to terms. It's up to Peavy.
Posted by: southsider | May 21, 2009 at 10:57 AM
Dexter Carter, maybe, if the guys are both pitchers? He'd have to be traded as PTBNL as well.
A ball pitcher, in his first full season of pro ball, has dominated both rookie and A ball, strikes out a lot of batters (11+ K/9 for both pro seasons), good FIP.
This is just me looking at a Sox prospect list though.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=paM05013&position=P
Posted by: melonis rex | May 21, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Poreda and Richard suck, that's the worst offer I've ever seen. Cubs had a way better offer on the table. Hendry better get back on the phone and offer 4 scrubs like the Sox did.
Posted by: Deuce | May 21, 2009 at 11:05 AM
At least you're being reasonable about this.
Posted by: William | May 21, 2009 at 11:07 AM
Would hate to lose Carter but the Sox keep all positional prospects. I like...
Posted by: tdogg | May 21, 2009 at 11:10 AM