Glavine May File Grievance

I wonder if I sent a personal, hand-written letter to Tommy, pleading & begging to please just let everything die, if he'd let it go. I think I speak for all Braves fans (and most baseball fans in general at this point) when I ask please let all this nonsense die over.

What a bitch.

There was a post about this last night, just so you know.

I find it weird that teams aren't allowed to cut a guy for monetary reasons. That doesn't make sense. There should be two reasons to cut a guy. 1... Performance, 2... money.

"Perhaps the Braves could file a counter-greivience on Glavine and demand the return of the $8M he stole in 2008 and the first round draft pick (18th?) surrendered to the low-life Mets."

Yes, they got Ike Davis with that pick, but more importantly, they got Brad Holt with the comp. pick. The Mets seem to have a good history with the draft picks they collect from letting their LH starting pitchers depart. Mike Hampton brought David Wright.

"Perhaps the Braves could file a counter-greivience on Glavine and demand the return of the $8M he stole in 2008 and the first round draft pick (18th?) surrendered to the low-life Mets."

The Braves front office made the stupid decision to bring him back...they were definately bidding against themselves on that one. If nothing else, they should have waited a few weeks to avoid the Mets offering him arbitration. I'm glad they didn't though...besides taking the 18th pick from Atlanta, the compensatory pick turned into Brad Holt.

"How do you steal what is given to you? The Braves have only themselves to blame for giving Glavine $8M."

No doubt.

The guy had an average FB velo of 83.7 in 2007, his last year with the Mets, which was down from the 85-86 average he had posted in previous years. He showed a similar decline in velocity with his changeup and slider as well.

He struck out only 4.00 per 9 innings, and posted his lowest GB% since 2002.

He posted a 4.86 FIP in 2007, and had posted an FIP under 4.00 just ONCE since 1998 (!!!), so clearly the guy just wasn't close to deserving that investment by Atlanta.

This is ridiculous. Glavine seriously? You weren't our best option so quit being a baby.

Tommy Glavine's never been a man to grab headlines or even complain about his lot in life. If he believes there's some issue that hasn't reached us yet, I believe him.

Wahhhhh.....Waaahhhhhh.......Waaahhhhh

They don't want me any more.....boooooohooooooooooo!!

It's funny that Braves fans get on Glavine for having no class, and then post stuff like this. What a way to treat one of the faces of the Braves over the last 2 decades.

Posted by: 86 Mets | June 07, 2009 at 07:20 PM

I never said he had no class. He is a whiny little girl though. And you can have him if you want him. I would love to see him play for the Mutts again.

I haven't liked Glavine since 1994 when he was the big union man in the player's strike. Then when he left for the Mutts that just sealed the deal. He got what he deserved....after all, it's just business...isn't that what he said when he left the Braves.

Pfffft.......

Wek: Hate to correct ya as I agree with most of your post. But Maddux was hittin 95 when he first entered the league and had one of the most devestating fastballs that this game has ever seen. Besides that you are right tho. Glavine never really broke 90. He's always been a control guy. Wakefield has made it with an 80mph fastball (when he's got high heat lol). But Maddux my friend, was definitely a power pitcher back in the day.

"just another example of why emplyees that make a minimum in the mid six figure range have no business having a union!!!!"

Read your history. Before the players union a team owned a player in the most literal sense. The decided the contract, whether he would stay with the team, etc. It's because of the union that the owners were forced to start doling out the profits.

And I'm not sure how you can attack Glavine for being unloyal and leaving for the Mets better offer when I strongly suspect you don't feel the same when Maddux dumped the Cubs under similar circumstances.

Posted by: start_wearing_purple | June 07, 2009 at 07:46 PM

I'd be surpised if anyone criticizing him for that would have acted any differently in Glavine's shoes. The Braves didn't want to give him 3 years, the Mets gave him 4.

unions have also wrecked the auto industry

Posted by: kevin1013 | June 07, 2009 at 08:07 PM

You sound like you're upset that Taco Bell employees don't have a union.

With the way Smoltz left in a hurry, and now Tommy Glavine who as purple said never complains... I have to think something is going on in that front office in Atlanta that is not "kosher".

Posted by: Santana/Beckett FTW | June 07, 2009 at 08:14 PM

Don't forget that the union has mentioned that they'll file a grievance if they feel Tellum clients are being treated unfairly due to their choice of representation. Wren handled the aftermath of the Furcal thing very poorly.

I dislike unions but they are a necessary evil. The MLBPA takes the "evil" to an extreme degree. The real problem is MLB has had an incompetent commissioner who let the union do whatever it wanted.

And I'm not sure how you can attack Glavine for being unloyal and leaving for the Mets better offer when I strongly suspect you don't feel the same when Maddux dumped the Cubs under similar circumstances.

Posted by: start_wearing_purple | June 07, 2009 at 07:46 PM

To the contrary. If the Cubs offered a similar amount of money to retain him then he wasn't being loyal to them. And I would fully expect Cub fans to intensely dislike him for leaving them to play for the Braves.

"unions have also wrecked the auto industry"

That is, for lack of a better word: absolute horses--t. The fact that the auto industry sacrifices American jobs for cheaper overseas jobs is a fault not of the unions... unless of course you believe American workers should work under conditions such as 1/10th their salary, no health benefits, no retirement plans, few safety regulations, etc? The Men who started the unions were true American Patriots and died for the rights that the average American takes for granted. Attack the Players Union if you want for being greedy, but don't regurgitate that nonsense on the American Unions.

The fact is Atlanta used to be considered a classy organization, and when Bobby retires, any and all of those thoughts will cease to exist. I do think Glavine is being a big baby, but if I where in his shoes maybe I would too. He desereved the option to go the pen, and have a chance to start if an injury arose. He may have still turned it down, but he deserved that respect, and should have been offered a contract such as what the Astros gave Bagwell and Biggio on the spot.

Anyone can file a grievance. That is a given in a CBA environment. Just because it sounds silly does not mean that it can't happen.

But, having an arbitrator find for Glavine? That would take some rather perverse logic that is only found in arbitration, not the real world. This sort of silliness often causes management to cave in and negotiate a settlement. That may be Glavine's gambit in the first place.

I hope he does, he is classless, he left the team that stuck with him, led the strike, and now this? I have never liked Tom Glavine!