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By Ben Nicholson-Smith [June 11, 2009 at 12:56pm CST]
Here's another term for the MLBTR glossary...
Players to be named later must be named within six months of the trade they're a part of. They tend to be minor leaguers, as they cannot have spent time in the major leagues between the day the trade is announced and the day it is completed. Here are a couple instances in which the PTBNL can be useful:
- The teams are only sure about half of the exchange, but they want to deal right away.
- The clubs agree that the PTBNL will be chosen from a set list of players.
- Once a draft pick signs, he can't be traded for a year. If teams want to deal recently-drafted players, they can complete part of the deal and name the final player once he's eligible to be traded.
- Instead of naming a player, teams can exchange money to complete a deal.
- For example, Jeff Keppinger was dealt for a PTBNL earlier in the year.
Thanks to Cot's Baseball Contracts.
Micah Owings was a PTBNL in the Adam Dunn trade... he was in the major leagues... explain that
Posted by: Daniel | June 11, 2009 at 01:15 PM
My memory is somewhat hazy, but I think that the PTNBL more broadly cannot be from the same league, including the minor leagues. That is, I believe the rule applies not only to majors/minors, but minor leagues as well.
Posted by: JL | June 11, 2009 at 01:19 PM
Well Owings didn't play in the Majors after July 28th last year and the deal was made in late August.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?n1=owingmi01&t=p&year=2008
Posted by: Ben Nicholson-Smith | June 11, 2009 at 01:35 PM
I think the exception in the Owings case had to do with his stay on the DL or some element of him not being able to pitch for most of the summer until September. I'd love to see a good explanation of how that worked ... I can't find one.
Posted by: H0RAT!0SANZSERIF | June 11, 2009 at 02:22 PM
"They tend to be minor leaguers, as they cannot have spent time in the major leagues between the day the trade is announced and the day it is completed."
I'm fairly certain this is incorrect. John McDonald was the PTBNL that the Jays got in return for sending him to Cleveland. Yeah, that's right, JMac was traded for himself.
Posted by: 92-93 | June 11, 2009 at 02:23 PM
Actually, no. That's why this rule around -- because that instance occurred back in The Day with a player named Harry Chiti.
John McDonald was traded for Tom Mastny, essentially.
Posted by: H0RAT!0SANZSERIF | June 11, 2009 at 02:26 PM
From sonofsamhorn.net:
If a team receives a PTBNL, the player must not have been playing in the league to which he is being sent at the time of the trade (e.g. if the Red Sox receive a PTBNL, the player may not have been playing in the American League at the time of the trade). This rule was instituted after Harry Chiti was traded for himself in 1962 (he was traded from the Indians to the Mets for a PTBNL, which turned out to be himself). As a result, PTBNL's are usually minor leaguers. Sometimes, teams will use players on the disabled list as players to be named so as to avoid having to get special permission from the commissioner's office.
Posted by: Coffee | June 11, 2009 at 02:30 PM
PTBNL is frequently used when a guy is injured. The other team wants to see how he heals and has an "alternative" if he doesn't pass a physical.
Posted by: Burdell | June 11, 2009 at 02:33 PM
I looked into the John McDonald bit, 'cause I remembered the same thing. Here's what happened: 2005, he's traded from the Blue Jays to the Tigers for a PTBNL. Later, they settle it with cash considerations.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/news/050722mcdonald.html
THEN, the Jays reacquire him after the season in a parallel but separate deal.
Confusing, but he wasn't the PTBNL in his own deal, though he was essentially dealt for himself.
Posted by: Ben Nicholson-Smith | June 11, 2009 at 02:54 PM
QUESTION:
Is there an expiration on naming the PTBNL? In other words, if a GM really has a hard time deciding on some very young talent, could he wait a few years to see who is progressing the best?
Posted by: ChiSoxSLIM | June 11, 2009 at 08:05 PM
The compensation, be it a player or cash, must be agreed upon within 6 months.
Posted by: Coffee | June 12, 2009 at 08:41 AM