Roy Halladay Rumors: Tuesday

As if Woody Paige couldn't make a complete fool out of himself on espn, now he thinks the rockies can get Halladay.

Sounds like just a bunch of more baseless speculation to me. I can't believe the BoSox or Yanks will really be willing to pony up enough to get Halladay. Neither team is exactly in desperate need of a frontline SP.

I guess the Angels could trade for Halladay for a package involving Brandon Wood, Kendry Morales and other prspects

One wonders when the Blue Jays' Roy Halladay steps on the mound at Busch Stadium tonight to start the All-Star Game if it's the mound he soon could be calling home for the foreseeable future. The Cardinals are one of the teams that could ante up the prospects and the money to land the pitcher universally thought of as the best in baseball.
With St. Louis ace Chris Carpenter endorsing the move and having had a long friendship with Halladay, it all makes sense, though Toronto general manager J.P. Ricciardi wants four top players/prospects in return, which, for the moment, has taken the Red Sox out of the picture.
The Sox, according to a team source, would love to compete for Halladay but would like the price to come down.

If the Yankees are going to panic I still don't think they have all the pieces. I guess Hughes and Montero to start with, but do they need more pitching beyond that, especially starting. They have OF already locked in for 6 years, and the yankees don't really have positional prospects.

He'll be a Phillie before 7/31 because they need pitching more than any team pitching.

He got the odds out of order, anyway. 9-2 is worse than 4-1, but the Cardinals are still listed higher than Philly haha

Bob Elliott of the Toronto Sun says the Angels and Yankees are the favorites to land Halladay.

It actually makes sense the Yankees have a cpl SS prospects. I know they have this guy in Gulf Coast League, Derek Jeter. He should fit in the long term plans for the Jays.

It is such a contradictory statement to say they are looking for SS Prospect and then Yankees and Angels are front runners. If I was looking for a definate SS prospect then it would obviously be T Beckham or Escobar from Milwaukee.

Steve Kornacki of MLive.com hears that the Blue Jays want a shortstop prospect and pitching in return for Halladay, He suggests the Tigers could include a shortstop like Brent Dlugach, Cale Iorg or Danny Worth in an offer for Halladay.

As a tiger fan i would love for that to happen, but it wont.

Could you imagine a SP rotation of Halladay, JV and EJ i'll put that up against any other teams top 3 starters

The whole "take 3A prospects, 2B prospects, and 1C prospect" thing is so stupid because Halladay is a FA after 2010, and don't think the Yankee Pinstripe or the Cubbie Blue at least won't entice him.

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thats part of the reason the price is so high. whatever team trades for Halladay when he does leave to sign elsewhere as a free agent he will be a type A free agent meaning that team will get 2 first round draft picks.
years down the road when you look back at the trade it will be Halladay/1st round draft pick/1st round draft pick for (prospects involved)

I really don't think that the Tigers have enough solid prospects to get a deal done for Halladay. Baseball America ranks them as the third worst farm system in the minors and their only prospect in the top 100 for baseball america's preseason rankins was Porcello.

Justdeal,

Would you trade porcello, iorg and prospects for Halladay?

Still have Halladay, JV, EJ, Galaraga and someone from the Bonderman DL Crew

The Detroit deal would be good for Toronto for sentimental reasons only—Cale Iorg's dad played for the Jays in the early '80s.

Sunrise, sunset ...

Would you trade porcello, iorg and prospects for Halladay?

Still have Halladay, JV, EJ, Galaraga and someone from the Bonderman DL Crew

Posted by: theJonathan | July 14, 2009 at 11:30 AM

as bad as i want Halladay i would not trade Porcello. But i have a feeling that Porcello would have to be apart of the trade

"I wonder if Chin-lung Hu still qualifies as a SS prospect."

No..

The Rockies could totally land Halladay. He's homespun, and we definitely have the young player base to get him.

Can we, however? I'm really not seeing the organization having the stones or the payroll to make it happen.

Issue is really that Woody Paige seems to think that our AAAA pitchers and crappy bench players would appeal to Toronto.

--"anything with Colorado would have to start with Ubaldo Jimenez and Ian Stewart.. Can the Rockies really afford to give away cheap young talent and pay Halladay??"--

Stewart maybe, also possibly Iannetta, and I'd wager Morales might appeal to them. I highly doubt the organization would move Stewart or Jimenez at this point.

I'm not suggesting that the Angels have the best young shortstops. However, it is just ignorant to assume that Aybar or Wood couldn't front a trade

NO actually it is ignorant to think that Wood COULD front a trade. He has been called up more times than angel berroa in NY. If he has such monster SLG why cant he stay in 3B, 2B, or SS? Even when Howie Kendrick went down to get himself right in the minors, a guy with a 1029 SLG was not the first person called up.

Aybar is also a throw in piece. In his last 3 years of MLB service he has an AVG of .262 and an OBP of .298. Really not a solid ML everyday player with those stats. If they want just fielding, they might as well ask for Ramiro Pena in a possible yankee deal. Also the Angels do not have any other prospects that would interest the Blue Jays, similar to the Phillies, Cardinals, Red Sox or Yankees.

Reckling or Walden should not be mentioned in the same breath as Bucholz, Drabek or Chamberlin.

"Angels have nobody at shortstop. You should cross them off the list. Wait. They do have Eric Aybar. The guy is 25, rated as the best defensive shortstop in baseball by Bill James in 2008, and is putting up a solid 750 OPS in 2009."

http://www.billjamesonline.net/fieldingbible/the-winners.asp

Jimmy Rollins won the fielding bible award in 2008. Aybar finished 4th, and was probably hurt by the fact he did not finish in the top 10 in +/-.

He also has a 92 OPS+ this year and has an 83 OPS+ in 98 games last year.

Aybar, who will be 26 next year, will never be the headliner in a trade for a top flight pitcher.

thank you Jonathan.. and nice Tommy Boy reference

just an idea i think the rangers need him more than the phils would a 3 team deal be posible of jays,sox,rangers
where the sox give up penny(pay some salary),buch,masterson and one more top 10 prospect kalish? or a better package of say bowden,delcarmen, anderson which ever package chosen goes to the jays who then trade halladay plus some of his salary this year to the rangers who then trade justin smoak,max ramirez and a player to dump salary with (hank blaylock?) but its aa suggestion that helps each team IMO what do u guys think

Ive said this elsewhere, I’d love to get everyones thoughts on it.

3 team deal

Yankees get:
Roy Halladay
Barry Zito (with SF paying his 3.5 million dollar 2014 option to be waived and the rest of his signing bonus)
72 hour negotiating window with Halladay

Giants get:
Vernon Wells
Shelley Duncan
$10 Million from Toronto

Blue Jays get:
Zach McAllister
Juan Miranda
2 PTBNL from NYY
1 PTBNL from SFG

If I was Brian Sabean, I would easily take that deal because its a big PR boost for my club, the team ERA is bound to go down, I can call up one of my stud kids in Zito’s place and wait for RJ to come back as my 3rd or 4th starter. I don’t have to go looking for too much in the way of a bat because I’ve turned a big negative into a positive, with respect to what I have now. Although Vernon Wells is no Albert Pujols, if I stick him in my lineup, he’s just potent enough to make me feel like I can take the division but guarantee the Wild Card.

If I was Brian Cashman, I would hesitate to pick up Barry Zito, but I could find a place for him as a mop up man (albeit a very, very expensive one) or someone who can eat some innings here and there. Worst comes to worst, Zito meets with Eiland and Nardi and they cook up something. Meanwhile I’ve guaranteed myself the division in adding Halladay to the front of the rotation, and will probably go to the World Series.

If I was JP Ricciardi I would take the deal because I get some decent prospects, I don’t have to pay Vernon Wells anymore and I don’t have to take on a bad contract either. I’ve freed about 35 million a year or so. With the new baseball economy, I can grab a few discount players and try to compete for the wild card. But hey, its not like I can contend with what I’ve got now, so what am I really holding on to? Maybe I can firesale my way into a strong haul in the offseason.

I really just don't think that the Tigers have the system to pull off a deal without giving up one of their young ML starters. If I were Toronto i'd accept a deal revolving around Porcello but I can't imagine he would be offered under any circumstances. When it's all said and done I think Halladay will remain a Jay for the rest of this season.

Can people posting about their fave team getting Halladay explain to me how the Jays are going to be happy dealing him WITHOUT getting your organizations best prospect? It just seems ridiculous to think that they would give up the best pitcher in the game (AL dominance > NL dominance), for a group of players that arent the #1-#3 best prospects a team has.

Take the front runners, the Phillies, for example: Is Kyle Drabek, a man who has never pitched in the bigs and might be a flop, worth keeping over getting Halladay and winning another title? Ask the Red Sox if theyd rather have Johan Santana or Lester, Bucccholz and Ellsbury. Im saying theyd have another title if Johan was on board.

Im saying here is that when dealing with the cream of the crop, the best of the elite, its absurd to say "this guy whos never set foot in a big league game is untouchable". If you are the Phillies, 1.5 years of Roy Halladay is worth your best untried players, because you will most likely be winning another championship, and thats what matters most.

Espn.com insider is reporting the Angels are in the Lead to land Halladay (not Holliday)....package center piece Brandon Wood (SS)

If the Tigers want Halladay the conversation starts with Rick Porcello, or will Detroit become another team to say "we want Halladay but our best players and top prospects are all untouchable"

Lastly...

Can someone tell me what exactly makes the Angels a favourite to land Halladay?

They have NOTHING but Brandon Wood to offer and with Figgins hitting free agency this off season are they really going to move Wood.

Plus Wood is only a start. Sure one could mention Trumbo perhaps but the Jays have 1st base options in the system.

What makes the Angels favourites?

"There's one post per day that makes me laugh and yours was hilarious. Thanks"

No, whenever a franchise player (Halladay, Peavy, etc.) is on the trading block, its a bit more than 1 hilarious post per day.

"Can someone tell me what exactly makes the Angels a favourite to land Halladay?

They have NOTHING but Brandon Wood to offer and with Figgins hitting free agency this off season are they really going to move Wood.

Plus Wood is only a start. Sure one could mention Trumbo perhaps but the Jays have 1st base options in the system.

What makes the Angels favourites?"

I agree with this. I don't see how the Angels can put together a Halladay deal. Wood's a really good prospect but he's not an elite prospect anymore. Jordan Walden is injured, so he won't be a part of the deal. Aybar and Kendrick shouldn't be in a Halladay deal. The Angels can't make a deal for Halladay without giving up someone from the MLB club, namely Weaver or Napoli IMO.

"What makes the Angels favourites?"

Angels fans

Otherwise, no clue. This isnt a team that has ever actually traded prospects for a star at the deadline either. They have only really made one impact acquisition - Teixeira. He was pretty cheap prorated salary wise and cost only the person he was replacing.

So add a lack or track record to a lack of prospects and you have quite the question. That is, unless they are willing to include a Weaver (which just seems unlikely)

If Halladay wants to go to a winner, the Angels arent it.

Personally I could see the Tigers as a possibility if they were to include Porcello for starters and then work in a variation of 3-4 more players. Iorg, Larish and others are names that come to mind.

The Phillies remain the biggest possibility because lets not forget 2 things. The Jays arent trading Halladay in the division and Halladay isnt approving a trade to a team that doesnt look like a lock for the post season.

As for Halladay to the Dodgers, if we were willing to do a Loney + top propects + salary relief for Halladay and Rolen, would they take it? It could work really well for both teams. Dodgers get an elite starter to help Billz and Kershaw grow into stars, and good defense with a bat similar to Loneys(look it up) for A LH young 1B, a great contact guy with ability to walk, great D, and power that will hopefully come, top prospects like Dee Gordon, DeJesus, etc, and 30M in relief....

'I wonder if Chin-lung Hu still qualifies as a SS prospect.'

because of defense, yes. But he has NO bat what so ever

you do realize lester is an ace on most teams buch has a no hitter and once he gets his job back will perform extremly well and ellsbury was one of the key reasons for the 07 title while johan is one of the best pitchers in the game hes not worth an ace,a future ace and 300avg 75 SB center fielder

Posted by: zeppelin3593 | July 14, 2009 at 03:52 PM

zeppelin,

exactly when did you learn how to tell the future? How do you KNOW that Buch will perform "extremely well".

Oh and as for no hitters there is a record book littered with average pitchers who threw no hitters and great pitchers that NEVER threw a no hitter so that premise has no bearing in fact.

re: So now if you are Ruben Amaro, knowing you hold the hammer, do you really give up ALL your prospects NOW, knowing full well no one else can match you? I wouldn't.

Ruben Amaro is going to to be caught still holding his hammer when the Halladay trade announcement is made

For Halladay, I see the Blue jays considering this package from the Dodgers:

(a) pitchers McDonald, Elbert and Stults, and
(b) shortstops Devaris Gordon and Ivan DeJesus.

They are all good players/prospects, but if I am the Dodgers, I make this deal. And I would be willing to substitute Lambo for Gordon if that is the Blue jays preference.

I dont think that theyd include both Gordon and DeJesus, but the dodgers would jump at that deal. Theyd do McDonald, Elbert, Stults, DeJesus, and Lambo in a minute...

All you Dodgers fans mean the DeJesus who broke his leg at the start of the season and wont play till next year, if he ever plays again?

Come on guys, can you at least try to get serious?

NYY get:
Halladay

TOR get:
Chamberlain
Pena
Romine
maybe Wang(pending if we need to cut some salary)

That's a fair deal for both sides.

Our rotation for the rest of the season:
Halladay-true ace
Sabathia-ace like pitcher who would the best number two in the league
Burnett-amazing number three
Hughes-heads into rotation
Aceves

Ah yes, the awful dodgers offers start to come in. Right on time.

The last three dodgers offers on this thread have ranged from bad-god awful.

All you Dodgers fans mean the DeJesus who broke his leg at the start of the season and wont play till next year, if he ever plays again?

Come on guys, can you at least try to get serious?'

Wow, never comment on the Dodgers again, because you obviously dont follow them. He is doing great in rehab/extended spring training. He will be back in Sept. And he is playing better than he was during last yr and is expected to be A Furcal-type player with more power(when furcal was in his prime, obviously).

BlueSky, im sorry, but thats a horrible offer. You need to include multiple pitching prospects, because, while some of ours may be better in the long-term, they are futher away, which makes them a bigger risk. That is why I think that Loney may be involved, espically because there was the Twitter-report a few days ago saying the dodgers were scouting Rolen....

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090714&content_id=5875808&vkey=news_la&fext=.jsp&c_id=la

Eric Milton needs back surgery. He was our 5th starter for most of the yr. another reason for a starter

Unless your team is the Rangers, Yankees, Red Sox, Cardinals or Phillies, you don't belong in any Roy Halladay discussions. Angels? Give me a break. You guys held onto all your decent prospects until they lost all value. They're just a bunch of players with stunted developments.

Also, anyone who thinks getting pitching would be Toronto's main focus in a Halladay deal, doesn't know the Blue Jays very well. We still have pitching and more will come.

The Phillies; farm is overrated (anyone who considers Jason Donald as a good shortstop prospect is ridiculous) and full of mostly outfielders and pitchers so it doesn't make them a good fit.

The best post so far has been from Yankees fans. Not really that surprising since a lot of Yankee fans know what it takes to be winners and to operate in the MLB.

If we were taking Joba (headcase) Chamberlain in a deal instead of Hughes, then Montero would certainly have to be involved. In fact, you can take out Jackson. Hughes/Chamberlain, Montero + + could lead to a good deal.

Still nobody could really compete with the Rangers if they got seriously involved. The Jays need middle of the order bats. That the Rangers could start off an offer with Smoak would be huge.

“Wow, never comment on the Dodgers again, because you obviously dont follow them. He is doing great in rehab/extended spring training. He will be back in Sept. And he is playing better than he was during last yr and is expected to be A Furcal-type player with more power(when furcal was in his prime, obviously).”

Wow, you obviously know nothing about the team you claim to follow if you think he was ever expected to be a “Furcal-type player with more power” – he is projected to have little to no power because of his frame and ground ball tendencies.

“DeJesus has an extremely advanced approach at the plate. His batting eye and plate discipline are excellent and has the hand-eye coordination to make consistent, hard contact all over the field. The biggest weakness for DeJesus is his power”

There is also the concern he will play his way out of short, which makes him a likely below average hitter at second, dramatically lowering his value. He has good instinct and range, but is often wild with his throws. Further questions come in how he will adjust with a metal bar in his leg. People have also begun to question his work ethic and desire. Keith Law even dogged him for not running out ground balls. And we are talking a second to third tier prospect to begin with.

Then, so give us a link that he fully recovered from his injury and back in the instructional league “playing better than he was during last yr”. And just so you do know, he actually played well in 08 mainly because of an extreme BAbip of .381, - that is a 15-25 Hit rise which would see his AA line to between .263/.368/.363 to .289/.390/.389 under normal rates. But, whatever.

Actually, don’t even worry about it. I don’t care to hear anymore Dodger fans trying to illogically talk their players into something they just flat out arent.

Well, you're an idiot:

Heres the projection for him:

'Projection-DeJesus' ceiling is as a borderline All-Star caliber shortstop. Ideally, he would hit around .290-.300, with about 7-12 HR, and a .360-.370 OBP. Given his improvement at every stop, his ability to make adjustments, and his control of the strike zone, I give him a better than average chance of reaching his ceiling. Worst case scenario is that his defense doesn't hold water at short, and his lack of overall strength causes his hitting skills to deteriorate in the bigs. In that case, he would be about a fringe-average second baseman.

Despite his very impressive 2008, I think the Dodgers would be wise not to rush him to the majors like they did Chin Lung Hu. DeJesus could still use some development time at either AA or AAA while he continues to mature and add strength. He'll probably be ready for a full-time role in 2010, but his path at shortstop is blocked for now. Second base will remain a very strong possibility because of this.'

So yea, if he cant do anything that he has already been doing well, making solid contact, playing great defense, etc, then he could become a crap 2B. But even with this injury, he is an all-star caliber talent. And the only reason that he would go to 2B is because of Furcal.

Heres the rest of the report:

Overview-In his third full season as a professional, DeJesus continued to make progress. He led the Southern League in OBP, and was named the Dodgers' Minor League Player Of The Year. There are still some questions about his future position and overall strength, but he's right on track to become a productive major league regular.

Hitting-DeJesus has plus bat speed, excellent strike zone judgment, and the bat control to make consistent solid contact. His plate coverage is solid, but he's still geared to drive the ball towards right center more than anything. On the other hand, he is learning to pull the ball with more authority, but not nearly enough to be considered a long-ball threat. He's been slowly adding some strength, and a little more would lead to adequate gap power in the majors. His overall power projection is average, but it could very well end up lower than that if he stagnates. When everything is right, his swing mechanics are almost ideal, but because his swing path stays on top of the ball most of the time, it makes him prone to hitting a lot of groundballs.

Fielding-Some scouts think he has a better future at second base, but I still think he has all the raw tools to stick at shortstop. He has good hands, solid instincts, and is very intelligent. His range is limited by his overall speed, but his good jumps help him overcome that. His arm is more than adequate, but his throws are erratic at times. It's hard to tell if those throws were a result of incorrect footwork or if he just got lazy like Furcal does from time to time.

Baserunning-Possesses well above average speed, but needs to work more on jumps if he's going to swipe bases in the majors. I doubt he ever matures into a huge running threat.

Mental-His baseball intelligence and willingness to make adjustments are topics of constant praise. However, in the Arizona Fall League, there were questions about his effort and work ethic. Still, i'll give him a pass for now, because those were the first negative reports i've heard about his makeup. It is something worth monitoring though, because a poor work ethic can sabotage any player's career.

Health-No major injury history that i'm aware of.

Performance-His one consistently outstanding tool is his plate discipline, and he didn't stop showing it off in 2008, as he put up a .419 OBP to lead the Southern League. His BB% has improved at every full season stop (11.6% to 11.8% to 14.1%), and it's promising that his K% is holding steady (17.7% to 15.0% to 17.5%). In addition, DeJesus posted a career high in average at .324, albeit with a unsustainable BABIP of .381. Despite that, his rising average is more a sign of progress than pure luck, because his LD% has risen in every year (11.4% to 13.0% to 18.1%).

One of the main worries about Ivan's skill set was that his lack of power would hinder his hitting ability as he moved up levels. Well, not only has it not hindered him, his ISO has been on a steady upward trend (0.5 to 0.93 to 0.99). Still, he does hit a lot of groundballs, and this will limit his extra base potential unless it changes.

As somewhat of a bonus, if you believe in a clutch factor, he's also an excellent timely hitter. For his career, he has a .749 OPS with nobody on, a .764 with RISP, and a .855 Close And Late. In 2008 he was even better, posting a .819 OPS with nobody on, a .901 with RISP, and a 1.051 Close And Late. More than anything, I think this reflects his intelligence and approach to every at-bat more than it does some innate skill.

The only thing i'm looking for in 2009 is for DeJesus to repeat his 2008. No, he doesn't need to hit .330 with a .420 OBP again, but he does need to show me that this breakout represents a permanent upswing in his skills. Everything points to progress when we consider his past history, but I would like to see it repeated before I dub him the next Dodger infield regular.

Other-Very athletic. Dad had a career OPS of .649 over 15 major league seasons.'

And this writer is very tough on rating prospects.

http://www.memoriesofkevinmalone.com/2009/02/prospect-profiles-2009-ivan-dejesus_05.html

So please, stop looking like a fool and do some research.

'Unless your team is the Rangers, Yankees, Red Sox, Cardinals or Phillies, you don't belong in any Roy Halladay discussions.'

zaunbie, are you kidding? You really think that the Cards have a better system than the Dodgers? Their two top guys have been said to be untouchable, in Wallace and Rasmus. The Yanks are trading away Joba and top prospects to a divison rival, adn the Sox arent trading Clay to the Jays. It is Rangers, Phils, Angels(if they give up their top players, and it isnt sure if they will), and the Dodgers(if they include a young player, like Loney, or all our best prospects.) The Rangers arent trading their prospects because they are built for the future and have had to borrow money from the MLB, so they wont take 20M+ on...

And guys that people arent talking about are that are middle of the order guys are Andrew Lambo(said to be a Ethier-type player with more power), Josh Bell, a power 3B with 35Hr power, Pedro Baez(another power 3B, who is finally learning patientice), and another guy is Russel. I cant find a scouting report, but he is power guy that will be a middle-of-the-order bat.

Heres the latest projection for Lambo and Bell:

Projection-I think Lambo could eventually be a borderline All-Star in left field. Maybe a middle of the order type hitter that tops out at 30 home runs and hits .290-.300 regularly. I also think he could be an above-average defender. Worst case scenario is that he ends up as an above-average hitter, but is limited to first base defensively, and tops out at 20-25 homers. There's also a chance he never learns to walk enough, and his OBP is less than premium for a hitting position.

Lambo is still a ways off in his development, but i'm already very optimistic (a rarity!) about his chances of achieving something close to his ceiling. Actually, his projections sorta remind me of Andre Ethier.

Last year, I said my gut feeling was that Lambo would soon vault to the top of the Dodgers' system. I still have that feeling, but he hasn't had his breakout year yet. Regardless, he still has a lot of time to prove himself, and there's not much to complain about right now.'

Projection-Bell's ceiling is as a middle of the order third baseman. He has the ability to hit .270 with 30-35 home runs if he manages to put it all together. Worse case scenario is that Bell never figures out the strike zone and can't stick at third. In this case, he would probably end up as a first baseman who still has 30 HR power, but hits for a low average and doesn't walk enough.

I think a realistic prognosis is as a below average defensive third basemen who can hit 4-6 in a decent lineup. I seem to be a lot more positive about Bell's offensive prowess than most though.''

"Well, you're an idiot:

So yea, if he cant do anything that he has already been doing well, making solid contact, playing great defense, etc, then he could become a crap 2B. But even with this injury, he is an all-star caliber talent. And the only reason that he would go to 2B is because of Furcal."

Ahhh, but it is actually you who has proved himself the idiot. Everything I said is outlined in your scouting report - and I mean everything!

Don’t believe me?

“He is projected to have little to no power because of his frame and ground ball tendencies.”
Which you gave us
“Still, he does hit a lot of groundballs, and this will limit his extra base potential unless it changes.”

“There is also the concern he will play his way out of short, which makes him a likely below average hitter at second, dramatically lowering his value.”
To
“Some scouts think he has a better future at second base, but I still think he has all the raw tools to stick at shortstop”

“He has good instinct and range, but is often wild with his throws.”
To
“His arm is more than adequate, but his throws are erratic at times. It's hard to tell if those throws were a result of incorrect footwork or if he just got lazy like Furcal does from time to time.”

“People have also begun to question his work ethic and desire. Keith Law even dogged him for not running out ground balls.”
To
“there were questions about his effort and work ethic.”

“And we are talking a second to third tier prospect to begin with.”
To
“Everything points to progress when we consider his past history, but I would like to see it repeated before I dub him the next Dodger infield regular.”

“Then, so give us a link that he fully recovered from his injury and back in the instructional league “playing better than he was during last yr”.”
(Although, this is the one thing you did avoid)

“And just so you do know, he actually played well in 08 mainly because of an extreme BAbip of .381, - that is a 15-25 Hit rise which would see his AA line to between .263/.368/.363 to .289/.390/.389 under normal rates. But, whatever.”
To
“In addition, DeJesus posted a career high in average at .324, albeit with a unsustainable BABIP of .381”
(and if you want to know what his line is with a .330 BAbip (like his previous two seasons) then look at the .289/.390/.389 line I provided. Sadly, a .389 SLG looks pretty dang weak huh, and although a .289/.390 BA/OBP looks nice, it translates to about .250/.330 – right in line for him to match one of his more comparable players, Mr. Howie Kendrick (just with much less power)

“Actually, don’t even worry about it. I don’t care to hear anymore Dodger fans trying to illogically talk their players into something they just flat out arent.”

Oh, this one didn’t come true though :( Instead you did exactly what I said you would in your attempt to make yourself look like the Dodger-FAN-tastic fool you must be.

Do I really think the Cardinals are a better fit than the Dodgers? Of course I do. Your top prospect is Andrew Lambo. The shortstop prospects that you're talking about are guys with small chances of even being above average MLB players. Wow, you quoted a report that Dejesus' CEILING is that of a borderline all-star. Give me a break. The top 20 prospects in most organizations could be classified as having a ceiling of a borderline all-star.

You can talk all you want about the Cardinals saying Wallace and Rasmus are not available (they certainly haven't said Wallace isn't available in a Halladay trade though). Really doesn't matter what people say. I didn't say the Cardinals were going to make the best offer, I said they are a team that could be in the discussion if they wanted to be. The Dodgers certainly shouldn't be with what they have in their minors.

The only way the Dodgers get in the discussion is if they start with Kershaw and add multiple good pieces on top of it. We aren't interested in prospects who have about a 15% chance of becoming above average MLB players. Sorry. Maybe you can get Halladay after 2010.

I don't need anymore novels on how great the Dodgers prospects are from a Dodgers fan thoough. So thanks anyway but you can save your time.

Dodgers fans think that they can trade nothing for all-stars cuz of the Manny trade last year forgetting that the dog shot his way out of town last year thus causing Pitt to get raped in the 3 way deal for Bay! Dodgers fans won't get Halladay unless Kershaw is part of that package for him.

28 out of 30 teams would take Bills over Halladay... BAHAHA that's hilarious.

Payroll is the only reason teams would take Billingsley over Halladay. Age? Does Halladay look like he's slowing down? lol Nobody on the Blue Jays can keep up with Halladay's workout routines. He doesn't rely heavily on velocity.

Talent? Performance to date? lol Give me a break.

Wow, you could beat the offer the Twins got for Johan, which was crap? Good job. If the Jays don't get an over way, WAY better than the slop the Twins got, then Halladay isn't getting traded. He's certainly not getting traded for the minor league slop in the Dodger's system.

Lots of team's fans on here seem to be making reasonable assumptions on what it'd take to get Halladay, except the Dodgers fans. Never had much interaction with Dodger fans. Pretty bad impression on their baseball knowledge based on this. You wouldn't see me talking up Justin Jackson as a big part of a deal for the best pitcher in baseball as a Jays fan.

It's funny the number of poster here who think they are GMs, and who are sure they know what it would take to trade for Halladay. Maybe Hallday is going nowhere, because the Jays' price will be too high. Have any of you armchair GMs considered that? You know, like Jake Peavy? Maybe he'll go for surprisingly little, because the Jays will aggressively dump salary. These transactions are almost never a matter of simple like for like -- what makes them work or not, nobody really knows until they happen or they don't.

Speaking of baseball knowledge, I'm still trying to get someone who actually believes that it makes sense to trade one starting pitcher for another, when the problem to be solved is an insufficient number of starting pitchers.

"Speaking of baseball knowledge, I'm still trying to get someone who actually believes that it makes sense to trade one starting pitcher for another, when the problem to be solved is an insufficient number of starting pitchers."

Dont know, you tell us. It is your fan base continually trying to bring your team into an equation they are otherwise left out of.

"Dont know, you tell us. It is your fan base continually trying to bring your team into an equation they are otherwise left out of."

I notice you didn't attempt to answer the question. Nobody does.

I'm not the one trying to guess where he'll go, if anywhere, let alone for how much. I'll leave that kind of wild speculation to armchair GMs, of which we have plenty around here. I though I was perfectly clear on that point.

MikeClarke, you are out of youre mind. There is no way in hell 28 out of 30 GM's would rather have bill then halladay. If you had to choose a starter for game one of the world series would you want bill or halladay? I would want halladay.

Secondly, all the dodgers homers point to kershaws stats and say they are absurd. Those numbers resemble Dice-K numbers. Lots of walks, low batting avg against, and era in the 3.00s. I will agree that kershaw will be better than dice k, but just stop. Halladay is one of the best pitchers in the league, pitching in the toughest division in baseball.

I hope the dodgers do not get him but get to face him sometime in the playoffs with bill going for them. I am just going to laugh at the outcome.