Roy Halladay Rumors: Wednesday

the yankees should stick with what they have. with Hughes pitching well and Aceves doing well out of the pen. the Jays would expect too many prospects such as Montero, Romine, Jackson, Pena, Nova. which the yankees definetly shouldnt part with.

Dear Ruben,
When offers start being made please remember no prospect is untouchable when dealing for Halladay.

I really think the Phillies should go all in here. Drabek, Donald, Marsden and a couple prospects. Would prefer to hold onto Drabek and deal Savery and Carrasco but I don't think that will get it done.

I understand people not wanting to mortgage the future but this is a guy that will put you over the top this year and next. Hopefully they can also get him to sign an extention if he is traded here.

Sell the farm Halladay/Hamels are the future.

Meaning Halladay and Rios.

It would be certifiably insane for the Yankees to trade for him because it would mortgage their future and hamstring their payroll flexibility.

Indiana,

Post Madoff, the Mets can't afford Rios and Halliday.

LOL, Gurnick says the Dodgers won't be in for Halladay because of money, yet the Phillies are in for him and their financial situation is much tighter than the Dodgers.

Gurnick once again shows he doesn't know much about the Dodgers.

The Dodgers' payroll commitments total was about $94 mill to start the season, down about $25 mill for last years $119 mill payroll.

On top of that, Manny lost $7 mill for his suspension, which I think only saves about $2.5 mill this year due to the deferred payments in his contract. But they still will save the other $4.5 mill in future years.

So even if you figure that the Dodgers could get up to 90% of last year's payroll, which is about $107 mill, the Dodgers still figure to have $15 mill+ in salary room to get there.

They would only be on the hook for half of Halladay's salary for '09, which would be around $7 mill I think.

So Gurnick is WRONG. The Dodgers can afford to take on Halladay's salary.

As for next year, Schmidt's $12 mill comes off the books so they have his money freed up to accomodate Halladay's salary.

As a Mets fan, let me say that if the Phillies acquire Halladay I will stop watching baseball for the rest of the year.

Paulio I completely agree. I will not watch a single game for the rest of the year if the Phillies acquire Halladay.

For the Red Sox I would think this is a no-brainer. Isn't trades like this exactly why you build up your farm system in the first place? IMO, the chance to get the best pitcher in baseball doesn't come around very often so whether the Red Sox need another starter or not, I can't see why they wouldn't go out all and try to land Doc.

I mean, any trade that makes Beckett the number 2 on your staff and all you have to give up is prospects? Prospects are not guaranteed to work out, and with the Sox ability to draft well since Theo took over... why not?

I'm surprised no one has pointed out the insane comment by one scout that Halladay could win 27 games in the NL. No one has won that many games since Carlton in 1972. SP make 36 starts max nowadays. No one is going to win 27 in that few starts. Seriously go back to Maddux at his absolute peak in 94 and 95, and he still would have had to win every start he'd have left in a full season(if he got 36 starts) to get to 27 wins. That was while posting a 1.60 ERA and averaging almost 7.8 IP/GS (better than Halladay's career high). Scouts are absolutely ridiculous at times.

LOL, Gurnick says the Dodgers won't be in for Halladay because of money, yet the Phillies are in for him and their financial situation is much tighter than the Dodgers.

Gurnick once again shows he doesn't know much about the Dodgers.

The Dodgers' payroll commitments total was about $94 mill to start the season, down about $25 mill for last years $119 mill payroll.

On top of that, Manny lost $7 mill for his suspension, which I think only saves about $2.5 mill this year due to the deferred payments in his contract. But they still will save the other $4.5 mill in future years.

So even if you figure that the Dodgers could get up to 90% of last year's payroll, which is about $107 mill, the Dodgers still figure to have $15 mill+ in salary room to get there.

They would only be on the hook for half of Halladay's salary for '09, which would be around $7 mill I think.

So Gurnick is WRONG. The Dodgers can afford to take on Halladay's salary.

As for next year, Schmidt's $12 mill comes off the books so they have his money freed up to accomodate Halladay's salary.

Posted by: Die-Hard Dodger Fan | July 08, 2009 at 11:11 AM

Well, for one, you forgot you're paying Andruw Jones $5M this year to hit home runs for the Rangers (and another $16M to him through 2014)...

But more importantly, you are forgetting not one of Kemp, Loney, Martin, Ethier, Broxton, Billingsley, or Kershaw are locked up to long term deals and will start becoming very expensive very soon through arb awards.

So just maybe McCourt's thinking what it's going to cost him once these guys stop making $400K a year.

theJonathan,

agreed that we don't match up very well when it comes to need and what talent we can deliver.

That's fine. I'm more than happy to keep one of the top OF's in MILB in Taylor who is a legitimate triple crown threat in AA right now and a stud pitcher in AA in Drabek with top of the rotation stuff.

Will we win this year, not likely but it gives us a great shot in 2010 and beyond as long as they continue to progress.

Last year all of US fans of the Phils whined when we didn't get CC or Harden and instead got Joe Blanton. Sometimes the best deals are the ones you don't make.

The chances Halladay come to the Red Sox are remote enough its probably not worth talking about. Not to mention when considering he's 34 and how much the sox will have to overpay, he's got a big "do not want" stamped on his forehead.

Well, for one, you forgot you're paying Andruw Jones $5M this year to hit home runs for the Rangers (and another $16M to him through 2014)...

But more importantly, you are forgetting not one of Kemp, Loney, Martin, Ethier, Broxton, Billingsley, or Kershaw are locked up to long term deals and will start becoming very expensive very soon through arb awards.

So just maybe McCourt's thinking what it's going to cost him once these guys stop making $400K a year.

Posted by: carini26 | July 08, 2009 at 11:59 AM

Andruw is going to be paid $2.5 mill, interest free, for 6 years and his amount towards '09 is included in my figure.

You bring up good points but also consider that Manny's main money goes away after 2010 and so does Kuroda's $13 mill.

The Dodgers will have payroll room to sign some of these guys long term.

Question is, who the Dodgers want long term. Billz, Kershaw, Kemp and Broxton are no-brainers to me, although Broxton may end up waiting until free agency to get paid considering the delicate nature of closers.

Ethier may end up leaving after his arb years since, if we keep Lambo, he figures into the OF or 1B mix.

Speaking of 1B, Loney may also end up leaving via free agency to be replaced by Lambo.

Martin is the only player who does not have significant competition coming from the minors, yet, BUT the Dodgers also drafted a plethora of catchers this year and also have A.J. Ellis in the minors.

If Martin were to bring nice value back in a trade down the line, he may end up not signing long-term either.

Its always nice to have a good farm system because it always leaves you with some flexibility for future roster moves and/or trades.

But more importantly, you are forgetting not one of Kemp, Loney, Martin, Ethier, Broxton, Billingsley, or Kershaw are locked up to long term deals and will start becoming very expensive very soon through arb awards.

So just maybe McCourt's thinking what it's going to cost him once these guys stop making $400K a year."

LIke Die-hard said, not all are going to stay. Im going to guess that Billz will sign an extension this yr, along with maybe Kemp. Both will be in arb, and they really enjoy LA. Martin didnt sign one this offseason and wont sign one next yr, because of a down yr. Broxton probably wont sign one until FA, because closers get hurt so easily, espically flame throwers. One of Loney or Ethier, if not both, will be replaced by prospects. If Lambo is in a trade for Halladay or another pitcher, then Ethier will probably be traded or extended this offseason. I really dont think that Loney will stay in LA for his whole career, because he isnt a traditional 1B, less power, great glove, good average. Most 1B have no glove, OK average, and great power.

In these sweepstakes, if he is traded, it is Philly vs LA, both. Philly has closer MLB ready prospects, but the Dodgers' probally have higher potential. the angels have prospects that fill the Jays needs long term, as do the Angels. Besides Donald with Philly, do they have enough prospects that fit the Jays needs? Also, are they really willing to go all in this yr? Look at the Philly rotation, the have Hamels=ace, then... no one. Many of those pitching prospects that would be required are in the rotation right now. can philly afford to lose 2 or 3 starters in the rotation for another ace? Lee, for example, wont cost nearly as much as Halladay, abd you can keep more of the rotation in tack, IMO. Another thing, with the Philly rotation, you would have Hamel, Halladay, and then... Blanton? can you rely on Blanton, Myers, Moyers, etc to win a playoff game? In a 5 game series, if one of Hamels or Halladay lose, will you be confident in winning the next game? Also, does Halladay want to go to the NL East? It hasnt been nearly as strong as it was supposed to be(with the NL West being better), but it will be cold in Oct, while he plays in the dome in toronto, and the competition will be tough this yr and next when the mets are healthy. Does a trip to Philly guarrentee a playoof spot? I dont think so...

That is why I dont think he will go to Philly or will get MLB players. The thing the Dodgers did was build a team cheaply. They shed 20M from last yr payroll, knowing they would need to get a pitcher at the deadline.