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Report: Chris Carter Claimed By Yankees
7:07pm: Buster Olney has some more color to this "he claimed, she claimed" story.
Olney writes in ESPN the Magazine, "The rivalry between the Yankees and the Red Sox burns strongly even when it comes to waiver claims.
"When the Mets and Red Sox worked out a trade for left-hander Billy Wagner earlier this week, Chris Carter, an outfielder-first baseman currently playing for Class AAA Pawtucket, became part of the deal as a player to be named headed to Boston. In preparation for the deal, the Red Sox placed Carter on waivers, with the intention of moving him on to the Mets.
"But the Yankees placed a claim on Carter -- perhaps to create some 40-man roster discomfort for the Red Sox. In order to complete the Mets trade, the Red Sox are now pulling Carter back from waivers -- and for the rest of the year, they must carry him on their 40-man roster.
"And Boston may struggle to squeeze bodies onto its 40-man roster in September. When Paul Byrd was a free agent, he informed teams that as a condition for signing him, he wanted a guarantee that he would be added to the 40-man roster for the final month. If Boston has made that same concession, the Carter claim by the Yankees might have made that just a little more difficult."
5:50pm: In what should come as a surprise to no one, Amalie Benjamin clarifies that the Red Sox have pulled Carter back, and will deal him in the offseason.
5:30pm: Because it wouldn't be a normal day without some bad news for the Mets, Amalie Benjamin of the Boston Globe reports on her Twitter account that Chris Carter, the more significant of the two players rumored to be headed to the Mets in exchange for Billy Wagner, has been claimed by the New York Yankees.
It isn't clear that this hurts the Red Sox any, since the trade is not dependent on Carter passing through waivers. Instead, the claim prevents the Mets from getting a first-hand look at Carter until after the season. Presumably, the Red Sox will pull him back, though they also have the option of working out a deal with the Yankees (not likely) or letting the Yankees have him for nothing (see previous parenthetical statement). So much for city unity.
Worth noting: the Yankees have the best record in the American League, meaning that 1) no one else in the AL claimed Carter, 2) if they hadn't claimed Carter, the Red Sox could have traded him to the Mets without any problem had the National League followed suit, and 3) the Yankees, apparently, weren't willing to show pity upon their injury-shattered New York brethren.
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bitch move but who really cares..
Posted by: Baseball Nut | August 27, 2009 at 05:33 PM
It doesn't mean no one else claimed him. AL Teams get priority on AL Player placed on waivers... so NL teams could have claimed him but the Yankees would win the claim.
Posted by: TJ Sox Fan | August 27, 2009 at 05:34 PM
jeez them yankees are cold blooded...
Posted by: RickJames2213 | August 27, 2009 at 05:34 PM
What the hell is the point of this for the Yankees?
Posted by: CitizenSnips | August 27, 2009 at 05:35 PM
they are just doing it because they are mad and are trying to spite the mets for giving the sox wagner...
Posted by: Baseball Nut | August 27, 2009 at 05:36 PM
http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=667:waivers&catid=44:business-of-baseball-glossary&Itemid=75
August 1 through November 10
* The club with the worst won-loss record in the current season has priority, but American League clubs have priority for AL players, and National League clubs have priority for NL players.
Posted by: ebajek85 | August 27, 2009 at 05:37 PM
That was a real jerk move by the Yankees. We needed to see what this guy can do now, not next spring when the games don't count. Mets better get the Yankees back for this. Just a flat out classless move, no doubt about it.
Posted by: retiremikes31 | August 27, 2009 at 05:40 PM
This is hilarious.
Glory to the Yankees.
Posted by: nut bunnies | August 27, 2009 at 05:40 PM
Too funny. I'd have been disgusted with the Yankees had they done it to any other franchise.
Posted by: wesmantooth87 | August 27, 2009 at 05:44 PM
How weird is life right now for Carter? He knows he will be a Met, but he is still a Red Sox player. What happens if he gets hurt between now and when the season ends. What remedy do the Mets have in that situation?
Posted by: bjsguess | August 27, 2009 at 05:53 PM
This is not a classless move, how many of you think it is.
This is a business, and the Yankees are smart to try and void the deal or atleast stall it.
It's just funny, The Mets season is insane.
Posted by: kelvin | August 27, 2009 at 05:58 PM
So do the Sox still get Wagner right away even though the Mets don't get Carter?
Posted by: THEBIGFISH99 | August 27, 2009 at 06:00 PM
So do the Sox still get Wagner right away even though the Mets don't get Carter?
Posted by: THEBIGFISH99 | August 27, 2009 at 06:00 PM
"What happens if he gets hurt between now and when the season ends."
Good question... if it's a minor injury the Red Sox would probably be asked or be obligated to provide a better second player. A major injury and the the Sox will probably be asked to provide a similar player, if they refuse the commish office will probably step in. The Mets could ask that the Sox just shut him down...
Posted by: start_wearing_purple | August 27, 2009 at 06:00 PM
Yes Big Fish
Posted by: fitz | August 27, 2009 at 06:01 PM
At least I think so seeing as how he is in Boston and could pitch tonight although Francona said he won't.
Posted by: fitz | August 27, 2009 at 06:02 PM
Classless move, but considering the Mutts are the recipient all I can do is laugh. LOL!
Posted by: HumanToilet | August 27, 2009 at 06:09 PM
"This is a business, and the Yankees are smart to try and void the deal or atleast stall it."
I don't think so. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the deal states 2 PTBNL, not Chris Carter. Chris Carter is an unofficial acquisition, since he's not been officially announced, the deal has not been violated. From the rules I'm finding, PTBNL deals require the player to change teams within 6 months. In other words, this should not kill or stall the deal... making it NOT a business decision.
Posted by: start_wearing_purple | August 27, 2009 at 06:11 PM
I have a theory to the Yankees logic, since this didn't make sense at first besides being jerks. Chris Carter is on the Red Sox 40 man roster. By blocking him going to the Mets this year the Red Sox are now forced to carry him the rest of the year on the 40 man roster instead of clearing a spot in the trade.
Posted by: Socrus | August 27, 2009 at 06:23 PM
Chris Carter is currently on the 40 man roster. If they allowed Carter to clear waivers then that's a spot that is open for Dice-K or whoever they may want to bring up. This way the Yanks are forcing the Sox to DFA someone off the 40 man to add someone else. Carter has to remain on their 40 man and occupy a space or be DFA'd which isn't going to happen. Not a big deal but why not stick to the Sox whenever possible. Has absolutely nothing to do with the Mets.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | August 27, 2009 at 06:25 PM
[insert Japanese schoolgirl giggle here]
Posted by: InvalidUserID | August 27, 2009 at 06:27 PM
Get out my mind Socrus :)
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | August 27, 2009 at 06:27 PM
Mets fans shouldn't be worried about injury while playing. Carter has essentially been shut down already. He hasn't started a game since the 19th and has only had one pinch hit appearance on the 23rd and nothing since.
Posted by: JoeSox | August 27, 2009 at 06:32 PM
Socrus and Yanksfan, considering the Red Sox currently have two unfilled spots on their 40 man roster, i doubt that was the Yankees real motivation.
Posted by: gfulla | August 27, 2009 at 06:35 PM
Would Carter have to clear wavers completely to be one of the PTNLs or could the Mets have claimed him and then taken him as part of the Wagner deal? (Its moot now, but I'm curious.)
Posted by: Mule | August 27, 2009 at 06:37 PM
"This is a business, and the Yankees are smart to try and void the deal or atleast stall it."
But...how does stalling the Mets, a sub .500 team that they will most definitely NOT see again this year, help them in any way, shape or form?
"If they allowed Carter to clear waivers then that's a spot that is open for Dice-K or whoever they may want to bring up."
Except, as already pointed out, the Sox already have two open spots on their forty man. This serves no discernible purpose outside of just screwing over the Mets. It doesn't hurt the Sox in any real tangible way.
Posted by: 0bsessions | August 27, 2009 at 06:39 PM
Great move by Theo and the Red Sox.
What? The Yankees did it!?! ZOMG!!! Classless!!!
Posted by: Thirty5Thirty6 | August 27, 2009 at 06:45 PM
exactly.
Posted by: Casanova Wong | August 27, 2009 at 06:48 PM
Socrus and Yanksfan, considering the Red Sox currently have two unfilled spots on their 40 man roster, i doubt that was the Yankees real motivation.
Posted by: gfulla | August 27, 2009 at 06:35 PM
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Actually it does. It basically makes the Sox play with a 39 man roster instead of a 40. With roster expansion coming and not wanting to risk injury to Carter he basically takes up space and prevents them from adding anyone last minute. Not a big deal but serves a purpose.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | August 27, 2009 at 06:54 PM
From this website on 8/26 when Brad Penny was released:
"The Red Sox need a 40-man roster spot for newly acquired reliever Billy Wagner, and Tim Wakefield's fine performance Wednesday night -- seven innings, one run, three hits -- should have the club feeling confident about dumping a pitcher."
Either this post was wrong or they don't have as much room on the 40 man roster as some are saying.
Posted by: Socrus | August 27, 2009 at 07:00 PM
There's nothing legally obligating the Sox to not play Carter. If he gets hurt, they can use another player as the PTBNL. There is no sensible rationale for this move.
Posted by: 0bsessions | August 27, 2009 at 07:06 PM
"Actually it does. It basically makes the Sox play with a 39 man roster instead of a 40. With roster expansion coming and not wanting to risk injury to Carter he basically takes up space and prevents them from adding anyone last minute. Not a big deal but serves a purpose.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | August 27, 2009 at 06:54 PM "
Except as I said, they aren't even using all 40 as it is. There also isn't anyone in the system likely to take one of those spots before the end of the year. Even more there's several guys currently on the 40 man roster who could be released with out too much worry if necessary. The move was more about giving a big FU to the Sox and yet it will have far more of an impact on the Mets than any other team.
Posted by: gfulla | August 27, 2009 at 07:18 PM
Yankees "playin' the game the right way."
Posted by: Chris | August 27, 2009 at 07:22 PM
""Actually it does. It basically makes the Sox play with a 39 man roster instead of a 40. With roster expansion coming and not wanting to risk injury to Carter he basically takes up space and prevents them from adding anyone last minute. Not a big deal but serves a purpose.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | August 27, 2009 at 06:54 PM "
Except as I said, they aren't even using all 40 as it is. There also isn't anyone in the system likely to take one of those spots before the end of the year. Even more there's several guys currently on the 40 man roster who could be released with out too much worry if necessary. The move was more about giving a big FU to the Sox and yet it will have far more of an impact on the Mets than any other team."
Even if it only effects the Mets, it's still worth it. Remember us Yankees fans don't care much for them either! I love this move!
Posted by: d32123 | August 27, 2009 at 07:32 PM
"It doesn't mean no one else claimed him. AL Teams get priority on AL Player placed on waivers... so NL teams could have claimed him but the Yankees would win the claim."
No shot someone else made a claim. Everyone knew he was traded, and everyone knew he would just be pulled back and traded in the offseason if they put in a claim. Not a team out there, including the Yankees, would have seriously thought they could obtain him so making a claim is pointless and shows absolutely nothing more then a lack of class.
Posted by: SuzysMan | August 27, 2009 at 07:42 PM
Does the 38 include Wagner and Carter? They still have Dice-k and Paul Byrd to put on. Say the 2 spots are for Byrd and Dice-K: they then reach their 40 man limit and can't call up any AAA or AA player in September who isn't already on the 40 man roster. May not be a big deal but may help wear down the pitching staff.
Posted by: nats apologist | August 27, 2009 at 07:48 PM
"No shot someone else made a claim. Everyone knew he was traded, and everyone knew he would just be pulled back and traded in the offseason if they put in a claim. Not a team out there, including the Yankees, would have seriously thought they could obtain him so making a claim is pointless and shows absolutely nothing more then a lack of class. "
Rather have a lack of class than a lack of wins! ;)
Posted by: d32123 | August 27, 2009 at 07:49 PM
Anyone who brings up "class" is just a complete clueless hater. It's the rules, live with it.
Posted by: Chris | August 27, 2009 at 07:52 PM
Hahaha, again with the "lack of class"
Sox make this move and it's genius, yankees do it and it's classless.
Posted by: Casanova Wong | August 27, 2009 at 07:56 PM
"Does the 38 include Wagner and Carter?"
Yes, it does. Their forty man has two spots for Byrd and Matsuzaka, and another spot can easily be cleared up by releasing Kottaras (Whose usefulness is officially up and is out of minor league options).
If affecting the Sox 40 man flexibility were the Yankees' goal, they've created a minor inconvenience at best. Exposito, Kalish and Anderson are the only three players not on the 40 man who might've been called up and none of them was likely to make any sort of tangible contribution. Cashman would've been better off flying out here and putting sugar in Theo's gas tank if he was trying to be of legitimate detriment to anyone in the organization.
Posted by: 0bsessions | August 27, 2009 at 07:59 PM
"Actually it does. It basically makes the Sox play with a 39 man roster instead of a 40. With roster expansion coming and not wanting to risk injury to Carter he basically takes up space and prevents them from adding anyone last minute. Not a big deal but serves a purpose."
They actually might have two ways around it if they were really worried about the 40-man rosters.
First, they can add him to the 60-day DL. It would remove him from the 40-man, and he couldnt be traded before it was up anyway. He then would have a 2 month paid vacation.
Or, if he was willing, they could DFA him. Once done, he could decline a claim put on him (like Penny apparently did) and sign with the team of his choice. Like I said, if he was willing, this could be done and he could resign with the Sox on a minor league deal or just go straight to the Mets on a deal if the trade write-up was one where one of the PTBNL could be changed to "cash considerations" at a later time.
"Anyone who brings up "class" is just a complete clueless hater. It's the rules, live with it."
"Rules" say I can do less then 500 dollars damage to your car and not have to leave a note. You wouldnt call that a rather classless move?
Posted by: SuzysMan | August 27, 2009 at 08:01 PM
"Sox make this move and it's genius, yankees do it and it's classless. "
Actually, it's mostly Mets fans making this complaint and they do have a vaguely legitimate beef. As pointed out repeatedly, this has effectively no effect on the Sox, but it really hurts the Mets, whose success this season has absolutely zero effect on the Yanks. It's a pointless move that did nothing to benefit them or deter anyone they're actively competing against. There's really no sound logic behind it other than screwing over a sub .500 team that doesn't even play in their league.
Posted by: 0bsessions | August 27, 2009 at 08:02 PM
Is there a gentleman's agreement? You know, kind of like there is about signing Japanese amateurs. Too soon? You're all right the Yankees are so classless. (rolls eyes at all the hypocrites)
Posted by: Thirty5Thirty6 | August 27, 2009 at 08:06 PM
Gamesmanship.
Nothing illegal about it.
Posted by: InvalidUserID | August 27, 2009 at 08:10 PM
The difference, Thirty5, is that signing Tazawa actually benefited the Sox. The Yanks did something that screwed the Mets and there was no good reason to do so.
Yeah, what the Sox did was classless if you want to get into it, but at least SOMEBODY benefited from it.
Posted by: 0bsessions | August 27, 2009 at 08:29 PM
Before you screw with someone you should always ask: is the juice worth the squeeze?
For Chris Carter? No. The Yanks are pissing off the Red Sox and the Mets for no good reason.
They'll get payback twice- and for what? Stupid move. The Red Sox get to keep Carter, that helps them...
Posted by: DirtyWaterBeatdown | August 27, 2009 at 08:38 PM
I guess now that Martinez showed he can catch the knuckleball they can get rid of Kottaras. While certainly not a "legitimate detriment" to the sox the claim absolutely makes the Sox have decisions to make that they would not have to deal with if Carter made it through waivers, which as Olney says was the purpose of the claim. I would say the Yankees acheived exactly what they wanted.
Posted by: nats apologist | August 27, 2009 at 08:43 PM
The Skanks are a bunch of PANSIES!! Making a move that has barely any effect on 1 team and just pisses off the other. Classless pieces of s**t
Posted by: PhukdaPhils | August 27, 2009 at 08:47 PM
hahaha phukda u are the winner
Posted by: Casanova Wong | August 27, 2009 at 08:49 PM
Thank you Spankee fan
Posted by: PhukdaPhils | August 27, 2009 at 08:58 PM
Three words "Get A Life". If this move is even a minor inconvenience to the Sox then so be it. Does anyone think that the Sox truly care about doing it to the Yankees if the roles were reversed? It was 100% clear the Sox had no interest in CC but they still set up a meeting to discuss it and give something to the Yanks to think about right? Classless? People this is a business. And the Yanks owe nothing to the Sox and Mets. This is the ultimate non-issue. I'm sure stuff like this happens all the time and it gets ZERO print.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | August 27, 2009 at 09:12 PM
"Chris Carter is currently on the 40 man roster. If they allowed Carter to clear waivers then that's a spot that is open for Dice-K or whoever they may want to bring up. This way the Yanks are forcing the Sox to DFA someone off the 40 man to add someone else. Carter has to remain on their 40 man and occupy a space or be DFA'd which isn't going to happen."
Except that Boston currently has 2 open spots on the 40-man roster, even after adding Billy Wagner. They did, after all, DFA Cabrera and Enrique Gonzalez prior to making this move.
The Sox also could have put CArter on the 60-day DL, making him unavailable for the rest of the season (as if they want him playing and risking injury now anyway) and then taken hom off the 40-man.
The Mets might have liked him now, buit the reality is, they aren't going to play any meaningful games until April. (Sorry, Mets fans.)
The only one hurt by this was Carter himself, who is denied an opportunity to play Major League Baseball in 2009 by the New York Yankees. The Evil Empire shows their evil.
(Technically, the Sox could let the Yankees have him, but does anyone think he would be playing in pinstripes? These moves are usually vindictive an ineffective, such as when TB tried to disrupt the Red acquiring Javy Lopez from Baltimore 3 years ago by claiming PTBNL Adam Stern. Stern simply went to Baltimore in the off-season.)
Posted by: notin | August 27, 2009 at 09:18 PM
Wow. Rare type form for me. Never type with a 2 year old on your lap.
Posted by: notin | August 27, 2009 at 09:19 PM
Type = typo. I need to just quit trying.
Posted by: notin | August 27, 2009 at 09:19 PM
How does this hurt the Mets at all? Their season is over, no one playing right now expect to catch up or even get the Wild Card spot.
If you think this move is a classless act then every team is classless. How is this any different from blocking a division rival during the waivers period?
And regardless of what you want to think, this move actually has a purpose, it wastes 1 spot of the 40-man roster for the REd Sox. Whether it hurts them or not its another case.
Posted by: Wek | August 27, 2009 at 09:25 PM
The Yankees are such a classy organization. /sarcasm
Posted by: icedrake523 | August 27, 2009 at 09:34 PM
"And regardless of what you want to think, this move actually has a purpose, it wastes 1 spot of the 40-man roster for the REd Sox. Whether it hurts them or not its another case."
Ot does nothing to the Sox, either. They have 2 open spots and rosters expand in less than a week.
The only possbile effect this move might have is it could if the Sox decided to surrender Cater to the Yankees, then the Sox and Mets would need to work out a new deal. The Mets' leverage in this case would be significantly less, since Wagner is already in Boston, so they could get an even lower return. Oddly, this move would force the Yankees to be the team to carry Carter on the 40-man, and if this is really the penalty anyone thinks it is, then why not?
Anyway, if the Sox did need 40-man space, Carter will end up on the 60-day DL win Fenway Flu. Then he comes off the 40-man.
Like I said, these moves are usually vindictive and pointless. Tampa tried it 3 years ago, blocking Adam Stern. What did it do? All it did then and all this move does is prevent a player from playing on his new team. It doesn't take up anyone's 40-man, because there are ways around it, and everyone has done them all before.
Of course, I should acknowledge that it is possible the Yankees did actually want Carter.
Posted by: notin | August 27, 2009 at 09:34 PM
The only one hurt by this was Carter himself, who is denied an opportunity to play Major League Baseball in 2009 by the New York Yankees. The Evil Empire shows their evil.
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"Evil Empire"..
(Somewhere in the Gotham city, Cashman lets out a dastardly laugh as word of his evil machinations makes headlines everywhere) "Rumble and bumble, fire and smoke I claimed Chirs Carter now I have them by the throat. I shall deny him playing time, let him ride the pine, my plot has succeeded victory is mine!!!! Next I will force his house into foreclosure and break up his happy home! I shall make his children homeless and buy their modest home. I shall turn brother against brother, mother against son… their 40 man roster has been reduced by one!! Now I'll order my minions to scourer the waiver line and I'll claim any player who DARES to go to an enemy of mine!!! MOOO HAAA HAA HAA HAA HAA (as he rubs his hands feverishly and sips blood drawn from baby lambs out of his gold and 26 daimond studded stein).
Comical...
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | August 27, 2009 at 09:35 PM
The Rule? The rule is the Yanks were allowed to make this move, not they HAD to make this move. They only did it to get back for the Mets trading Wagner to their rivals. Like the Mets were suppose to pass on the deal for the Yankees sake....
The Steinbrenner Yankees, as usual, showing why no one has any use for them other than their own fans.
This move had nothing to do with a 'business' move. It's a non issue for Boston. It's just pay back to the Mets.
Just typical for an organization that routinely makes 'business' moves such as this that go all the way back to the circus act revolving door that was Billy Martin.
Posted by: Suse | August 27, 2009 at 09:37 PM
Would sending Carter to the 60-DL affect the Red Sox - Mets trade? Even if it isn't I'm sure it pissed off the Red Sox. So it still have some sort of effect.
I'm not sure how you can call these moves vindictives. The Red Sox are the competition, Yankees are just trying to disrupt the Red Sox FO. Would you just let your competition improve while you do nothing?
Posted by: Wek | August 27, 2009 at 09:41 PM
On Cashman's behalf I truly, truly don't think he, or anyone associated could careless about doing anything that effects the Mets in any way shape or form. To say this was a move to "pay back" the Mets for trading Wagner is as much of a joke as I can imagine. WE ARE NOT RIVALS. WE DON'T PLAY IN THE SAME DIVISION AND WE ARE NOT IN COMPETITION WITH YOU FOR HEADLINES.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | August 27, 2009 at 09:46 PM
"(Somewhere in the Gotham city, Cashman lets out a dastardly laugh as word of his evil machinations makes headlines everywhere) "Rumble and bumble, fire and smoke I claimed Chirs Carter now I have them by the throat. I shall deny him playing time, let him ride the pine, my plot has succeeded victory is mine!!!! Next I will force his house into foreclosure and break up his happy home! I shall make his children homeless and buy their modest home. I shall turn brother against brother, mother against son… their 40 man roster has been reduced by one!! Now I'll order my minions to scourer the waiver line and I'll claim any player who DARES to go to an enemy of mine!!! MOOO HAAA HAA HAA HAA HAA (as he rubs his hands feverishly and sips blood drawn from baby lambs out of his gold and 26 daimond studded stein). "
Now THIS was gold.
Posted by: 0bsessions | August 27, 2009 at 09:49 PM
ahh screw the yankees...they got everything else in the world right now and they can't show us a little pity?...ahaha has anyone ever read the book or saw the move The Outsiders? because i always feel like the mets are the greasers and the yankees are the socs. ahaha okay im done
oh yeah p.s. i love david wright just saying okay really done now kbye.
Posted by: dugoutstepshaterrrx3 | August 27, 2009 at 09:52 PM
"All is fair in love and war".
Baseball is a business. Teams are out there COMPETING. They aren't out to make friends, share scouting reports or play nice-nice with each other.
If the Red Sox had an opportunity to d!ck the Yankees, I would expect them to do it. If they didn't, too bad for them.
Posted by: InvalidUserID | August 27, 2009 at 10:10 PM
And yes, I hope David Wright is OK and gets well soon.
Difference between not liking another team/how they do and a guy's health and livelihood.
Posted by: InvalidUserID | August 27, 2009 at 10:11 PM
A perfect example of why no one but yankee fans likes the yankees. They are kicking the mets while their down. For all you yankees making the 40 man roster spot excuse it makes no sense because the yankees know the sox can just put him on the dl they just did it to complicate things a little bit but hey karmas a bitch and in sure the mets will take note of this and do something in retaliation in the future. The yankees are the most disgusting team in baseball. Yeah the mets might suck right now but at least they dont do things like this. as the great ari gold said "we may be whores at our agency but we 'aint pimps"
Posted by: mets3024 | August 27, 2009 at 10:38 PM
Seriously.....can you Met fans get over the "little brother syndrome". Is this really that big of a deal? Is it going to block Wagner from being traded? Non-issue really.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | August 27, 2009 at 10:50 PM
Don't do a deal with the devil next time. :)
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | August 27, 2009 at 10:50 PM
its not a big deal its just the fact that it was a move the yankees didn't have to make that pisses me off. FYI the yankees are the devil not the sox.
Posted by: mets3024 | August 27, 2009 at 10:55 PM
On Cashman's behalf I truly, truly don't think he, or anyone associated could careless about doing anything that effects the Mets in any way shape or form. To say this was a move to "pay back" the Mets for trading Wagner is as much of a joke as I can imagine. WE ARE NOT RIVALS. WE DON'T PLAY IN THE SAME DIVISION AND WE ARE NOT IN COMPETITION WITH YOU FOR HEADLINES.
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Of course it was. As many of the sports analysts are reporting tonight.
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Seriously.....can you Met fans get over the "little brother syndrome". Is this really that big of a deal? Is it going to block Wagner from being traded? Non-issue really
If this is such a non issue, why even do it? OF COURSE it's an issue.
Posted by: Suse | August 27, 2009 at 11:00 PM
Show many 1 report where it said the Yanks were doing this to spite the Mets.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | August 27, 2009 at 11:13 PM
"Show many 1 report where it said the Yanks were doing this to spite the Mets."
Found one. Logic.com
"Seriously.....can you Met fans get over the "little brother syndrome". Is this really that big of a deal? Is it going to block Wagner from being traded? Non-issue really."
Woah! My head hurts. It must be because i was just dealt a huge heap of condescension and brutal idiocy.
"WE ARE NOT IN COMPETITION WITH YOU FOR HEADLINES. "
The NY Post, NYT, Newsday, etc. all say hi.
Posted by: gmailblows | August 27, 2009 at 11:32 PM
There doing it to spite the red sox but it isn't cause the rd sox can work around it so in the end it just hurts the mets. Also they would never come out publicly and say we are just doing this to spite the mets or any other team
Posted by: mets3024 | August 27, 2009 at 11:36 PM
Honestly speaking. Do you really think the Yanks are in competition for headlines this year? Do you really think Cashman said "Let me clain Carter to screw with the Mets"? Really...c'mon.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | August 27, 2009 at 11:40 PM
"Do you really think the Yanks are in competition for headlines this year? "
Why do you add "this year" all of the sudden?
By rivals, we/you/i mean perpetual rivals. Fighting for headlines EVERY Year....which they certainly do. They are rivals no doubt about it.
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Do you really think Cashman said "Let me clain Carter to screw with the Mets"? "
No, he thought he would do it to screw the Sawx, which failed ridiculously and inadvertently hurt the mets.
Posted by: gmailblows | August 27, 2009 at 11:45 PM
Any self-righteous Mets fan out there claiming that the Yankees are fighting for headlines should get off their high horse and actually LOOK at their team this year. I would be happy if I were you to take some attention away from your old and battered team and terrible (to put it nicely) GM.
Posted by: bronxbombers2 | August 27, 2009 at 11:54 PM
Unless, of course, you like seeing Tony Bernazard in the paper with his shirt torn off. Then by all means, have your headlines!
Posted by: bronxbombers2 | August 27, 2009 at 11:56 PM
Since when does Cashman or anyone else within the Yankees have any obligation to lookout for the Mets?
Are you telling me that every other GM and/or organization plays nice with each other? You honestly think that this is the first time that a GM has made a move to block other teams moves? Greg Myers from back in the day anyone?
As for headlines...c'mon, the Yankees don't need to help the Mets out with that. The Mets will have all the headlines soon enough, if not already, with the season they are having. Or have had.
Posted by: InvalidUserID | August 27, 2009 at 11:58 PM
this just shows the lack of class by the yankess. all i have to say is karma is a bitch, and they will get theirs in the end.
you know what would make this great, something along the lines of carter, while playing for the mets, goes big fly in the bottom of the 9th, to win the ws for the mets vs. the yankees.
(but that would mean the NL would act. win an all-star game)
Posted by: mfn'dags | August 28, 2009 at 12:00 AM
actually, i know what would be better... when steinbrenner kicks the bucket and the yankees are sold to jim dolan.
Posted by: mfn'dags | August 28, 2009 at 12:02 AM
Actually, you know what would be better? If the Mets could actually finish above .500 in the near to somewhat distant future.
Sorry, I forgot to leave my sarcasm out of these comment.
Posted by: bronxbombers2 | August 28, 2009 at 12:06 AM
when did i or any other mets fan on here state that the yankees did this to steal headlines from the mets i dnt understand who you are attacking because no one said that. im not saying he has to look out for the mets but this is a different situation were not talking about a star player or even a proven player were talking about a guy who it wouldnt impact the yankees in anyway whether he was on bostons 40 man roster or not. i would totally understand if this was a proven major leaguer. its like they just made the claim for the sake of making a claim. which i think is not classy.
Posted by: mets3024 | August 28, 2009 at 12:08 AM
So if the Mets decided to do the same thing, would you consider it classy?
Oh and I think someone here mentioned the fact that the Yankees must have been upset the Mets gave Wagner to the Sox. Well guess what, you can have him. I wouldn't take a chance on him even if we were up 15 games. The Red Sox are just desperate, you can tell.
Posted by: bronxbombers2 | August 28, 2009 at 12:14 AM
desperate, well, desperate to win a 3rd championship in the last what, 6 years? the yankees will not win a championship this decade, or even with a-rod.
i think the yanks are the ones who are scared, they are desprate to take back the AL. too bad they won't.
Posted by: mfn'dags | August 28, 2009 at 12:30 AM
i would think omar was being an a-hole. For you to rip billy wagner is ridiculous i think his career stats speak for themselves. the red sox made the trade because it was a win win for them they get one of the best relievers in the game and most likely a first round pick and sandwich pick for two mediocre prospect i dnt call that desperate i call it smart. Also im sure if the yankees got him you wouldbe saying how great he is.Admit he is better then every man in the yankee bullpen excluding mariano rivera
Posted by: mets3024 | August 28, 2009 at 12:33 AM
Carter was a D-Backs prospect traded to Sox on the verge of making it to the show. September 08' Sox call up and a few miserable ABs this year. Decent pop, weak defensively. Sox could have brought him up numerous times this season but didn't despite decent AAA stats. Sox know he will never hit consistently at big league level and is a defensive liability. Maybe that's why no other AL team claimed him. Mets would be better off without Carter anyway.
Posted by: DiamondGuru | August 28, 2009 at 12:33 AM
"Are you telling me that every other GM and/or organization plays nice with each other? You honestly think that this is the first time that a GM has made a move to block other teams moves? Greg Myers from back in the day anyone?"
Yeah, because God-forbid the Mets get a AAA OF. Obviously he would have made them one of the most dominating clubs in the game, and he was way too big of a threat against the Yankees in the world series for them to take the risk.
Its a move that does nothing but make the Yankees look foolish, cost Cater ML playing time and hurt a lowly Mets roster even more. It doesnt hurt the RedSox, it doesnt stop the Wagner trade, and it doesnt help the Yankees by removing a threat.
And there is always the possibility it could be damaging for them too. You think all the players are going to think lightly about the Yankees keeping a prospect in need of a chance, for a club in desperate need of bodies, out of the majors for no real reason? Even if it influences only one or two players to the point they wont sign with the Yanks, that is one or two fewer possibilities the Yankees have.
Posted by: SuzysMan | August 28, 2009 at 02:14 AM
Well said DiamondGuru.
a 28-29 yr old career minor leaguer ,it's not like we're talking about Shelley Duncan or somethin'
Smoke and mirrors.
Posted by: ToBe | August 28, 2009 at 02:20 AM
The person I feel sorry for who seems to have been forgotten in this game of one-upmanship is Chris Carter. He could have had a chance to get some at bats for the Mets this September, maybe throw his hat in for a role with the club next year. Instead he has to wait for next season and who knows what additional competition.
Posted by: DeJay | August 28, 2009 at 05:04 AM
Well the Yankees are going after Garland. If I was the Red Sox I would put claim on him and let the Yankees sweat it. It would be a nice paypack.
Posted by: terry180 | August 28, 2009 at 07:27 AM
you know what would make this great, something along the lines of carter, while playing for the mets, goes big fly in the bottom of the 9th, to win the ws for the mets vs. the yankees.
(but that would mean the NL would act. win an all-star game)
Posted by: mfn'dags | August 28, 2009 at 12:00 AM
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(but that would mean the NL would act. win an all-star game).....that would also mean that the Mets would need to play above .500, would have to beat out the Phillies, would have to be able to stay together as a team despite the circus atmosphere Manuel and Minaya have fostered....and of yeah...pigs would have to fly out of Wilpon's ass). Then and only then would that fantasy be realized.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | August 28, 2009 at 08:51 AM
actually, i know what would be better... when steinbrenner kicks the bucket and the yankees are sold to jim dolan.
Posted by: mfn'dags | August 28, 2009 at 12:02 AM
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Ahhhh....now THAT'S classy. Wishing death upon someone over a business move that effects not a single baseball fan on a personal level. I hate the Red Sox and now the deep, dormant hatred that I have had for the Mets is starting to rise back up to the top based upon idiotic prattle here, but even so I would never, ever wish death upon any member of those organizations I hate. I might wish a sore "hammie" or a groin pull but never death. I might wish some sort of STD even but nothing penicilin couldn't clear up.
(Sigh) and to think; whenever I thought of the Flushing area of Queens, NY, or the hallowed halls of Shea Stadium
I always thought.....CLASS... now? ....What a difference a new year and a new stadium makes.
I hope my obvious sarcasm wasn't wasted here.
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | August 28, 2009 at 09:02 AM
The mets could put a claim on garland if they want a little payback cause they have priority over the yankees and sox and if they get stuck with him its not a big deal he's on a 1 year deal and they could really use a decent pitcher in the rotation to finish up the season .
Posted by: mets3024 | August 28, 2009 at 09:09 AM
And there is always the possibility it could be damaging for them too. You think all the players are going to think lightly about the Yankees keeping a prospect in need of a chance, for a club in desperate need of bodies, out of the majors for no real reason? Even if it influences only one or two players to the point they wont sign with the Yanks, that is one or two fewer possibilities the Yankees have.
Posted by: SuzysMan | August 28, 2009 at 02:14 AM
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Yes I can see it now...
"Hey Boras, what's up this is (insert your favorite top FA). Dude......I heard the Yanks put a claim on some AAA guy and cost him some PT time with the Mets. That move was totally bogus dude. Look Scott, I know I'm a free agent and I have a family to look after but I want to make this clear. This winter I want no parts of that situation in the Bronx. What? Yes I know they are a perenial playoff team. What? Yeah I know they are one of the wealthiest teams in baseball and have the ability to offer a better than market deal. But dudddddeeee....they claimed that rookie with the Oakland A's and totally...oh it wasn't THAT Chris Carter. Oh it was some fringy guy coming from the Red Sox. Well whatever dude. I don't want to be associated with an organization like that. I'd rather go to Boston where they know how to care of their veterans like Pedro, Nomar or Johhny Damon. Or to the Mets where their VP of Player Personnel totally knows how to relate to today's younger generation with heart and compassion. Either way dude, the Yanks cost that Carter dude some playing time and I want nothing to do them even though it might be a totally amazing experience....(click) hello? Hello...Scotty you there (dial tone)?
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | August 28, 2009 at 09:16 AM
(but that would mean the NL would act. win an all-star game).....that would also mean that the Mets would need to play above .500, would have to beat out the Phillies, would have to be able to stay together as a team despite the circus atmosphere Manuel and Minaya have fostered....and of yeah...pigs would have to fly out of Wilpon's ass). Then and only then would that fantasy be realized.
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but that would also mean that the yankees would get past the red sox and make it back to the world series, and we've seen that that is not such a small task.
also, where exactly did i wish death upon anyone? i think you need to learn to read. nowhere did i wish anyone to die.
exactly.... looks like the only one without class remains to be the yankees and their fans who think its great. don't worry karma will come around, and they will get theirs.
Posted by: mfn'dags | August 28, 2009 at 10:55 AM
that is not much OF A small talk. sorry for the mistake.
Posted by: mfn'dags | August 28, 2009 at 10:56 AM
small task... dam netbook, the keypad is too small..
Posted by: mfn'dags | August 28, 2009 at 10:56 AM
this word pad is horrible to work with. it was meant to say "not too much of a small task"
Posted by: mfn'dags | August 28, 2009 at 10:57 AM
"Yes I can see it now..."
Posted by: YanksFanSince78 | August 28, 2009 at 09:16 AM
Like always, youre the idiot we have come to expect.
Here, going against your extreme fantasy conversation, we will go with a more realistic one.
Chad Tracy (or whoever) is a FA, and has options from the Yankees and another team. Tracy, knowing what the Yankees did to someone he knows, decides he doesnt want to be a part of an organization who is willing to play childish games resulting in players careers being hindered. Tracy signs the other deal instead. Yankees, for no reason what so ever, would then have made this claim only to cost them players in the future.
You can write it off, but doing so is solely denial. The players association is strong, and players often take notice when one of their own is hurt for idiotic reasons. This illogical claim of a minor leaguer who will now have his ML career hurt, will get noticed. And you never know what the repercussions of that will be.
But we all know you to be the typical Yankee fan, always dismissive of anything that doesnt illuminate them in the light you feel they deserve. So of course you would be arguing against something ever going anything but perfect for your favorite club...
Posted by: SuzysMan | August 28, 2009 at 10:59 AM
Do the Mets still get Carter after the season is over or do they get another player or do they get nothing at all?
Posted by: diehardmets | August 28, 2009 at 11:56 AM