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By Howard Megdal [October 21, 2009 at 1:50pm CST]
The Yankees may be one win from the World Series, but there is a lot going on with New York's other team today.
- Ray Ratto of CBSSports.com writes about the news from court filings this week that the Mets may have gained $48MM in the Bernie Madoff swindle, rather than lost a previously-reported range of $300MM to $700MM. Unfortunately, this isn't necessarily good news. Those who lost money to Madoff are in the process of suing the Madoff winners, and the uncertainty over $48MM could complicate offseason plans for the Mets.
- Metsblog's Matt Cerrone believes the Mets will return Josh Thole to Triple-A for more seasoning, and find a defense-first catcher to split time with Omir Santos. He mentioned Rod Barajas specifically, who seems like the best fit for a team that could use some offense from the position, too.
- Licey Tigers manager Dave Jauss was in New York on Monday to discuss a position with the Mets. Jauss managed in the Montreal system, receiving the honor of Eastern League Manager of the Year in 1994.
I doubt it effects what they do in the off-season.
Posted by: Baseball Nut | October 21, 2009 at 01:58 PM
Bernie Madoff proves that baseball is NOT recession proof. thanks bernie, hope your 100 year prison sentence is going well, thanks for screwing up pretty much everything
Posted by: 04Forever | October 21, 2009 at 02:09 PM
It will affect their plans if they are forced to give the money back, or a portion of it. who knows how thats going to work out
Posted by: 04Forever | October 21, 2009 at 02:09 PM
Yeah, now we might have an answer of why Wilpon said the mets have all the money they want to spend this off season. Cause he may have gained 50 million to spend. This could be a non-issue, but it could become a big issue. Who knows?
Posted by: james | October 21, 2009 at 02:14 PM
Ex Mets GM Steve Phillips just might be a giant sleezeball.
First he sends Scott Kazmir to the Rays for Victor Zambrano then he is sued for sexual harassment. Now, the ESPN analyst has his family being stalked by a psychopathic 22 year old ESPN intern that he cheated with.
Nice hair, bad father (4 kids) and horrible GM.
Posted by: Hellion | October 21, 2009 at 02:19 PM
Phillips didnt trade Kazmir... plus this isnt the first time Phillips has been involved in a sex scandal. He was involved in one when he was with the Mets as well.
Posted by: jaydh2 | October 21, 2009 at 02:21 PM
"It will affect their plans if they are forced to give the money back, or a portion of it. who knows how thats going to work out"
That isn't definite though. Either way, this clears up the idea they lost a ton of money. Even if they have to give back all 48 million (which they won't lose a single penny of), that would just mean it was another regular year of bringing in baseball revenue. It definitely proves they aren't in the hole half a billion.
Posted by: nrmax88 | October 21, 2009 at 02:26 PM
People said their off-season plans would be affected by Madoff last year and they weren't. I've yet to see a report come out that gives a concrete number as to how much they lost. It's all speculation.
Posted by: icedrake523 | October 21, 2009 at 02:32 PM
Maximus! Where you been, my dude? Rangers and Pens are coming out of the gates strong this year, my friend :) Here's to an interesting season.
Posted by: bucs_lose_again | October 21, 2009 at 02:57 PM
"He mentioned Rod Barajas specifically, who seems like the best fit for a team that could use some offense from the position, too."
Howard, man, this is just some bad analysis.
Barajas can help offensively? Are you looking at his 19 HR and 71 RBI, or his .282 wOBA, second-worst among MLB catchers with 300+ plate appearances?
Because if someone wants help offensively behind the plate, then Rod Barajas is one of the last guys that the Mets should to.
I say that the Mets should go after Gregg Zaun, a solid defensive catcher who's consistently posted a solid OBP over the years.
Posted by: scribbletone | October 21, 2009 at 03:06 PM
im jacking off
Posted by: mets rock PHILLIES SUCK BALLS | October 21, 2009 at 03:45 PM
Out of sheer curiosity, why does it seem that both (some) Mets fans and their front office are convinced that Omir Santos is a quality major-league player? A career minor league journeyman is now getting significant playing time for one of the highest payroll teams in baseball. Just doesn't make any sense to me.
Posted by: BF91 | October 21, 2009 at 04:13 PM
If i was a mets fan, Id be pissed... The Mets essitionaly used the Madoff scandal as a reason for not going after guys like Burnett, CC and Tex. Now, they may gain 48M? wow...
Posted by: lakersdodgersyankees4life | October 21, 2009 at 04:13 PM
The mets catcher is a serious issue. I can see them bringing back Schneider. Lefty, knows the pitching staff, pitchers apparently enjoy throwing to him, and he suffered a horrific BABIP in '09, although his .300 wOBA potential is atrocious, at best.
Posted by: theschmets | October 21, 2009 at 04:17 PM
"Mets may have gained $48MM in the Bernie Madoff swindle, rather than lost a previously-reported range of $300MM to $700MM."
The way I understand it yes they didn't lose real money, but Madoff probably lead the Mets to believe that they had alot more money.
They deposited 523Mil with him and withdrew 571Mil, however Madoff was supposed to be investing that money at a 5% interest rate yearly about.
Since the scheme started in the 1980s and the money was never Invested, Maddoff could have lead the Wilpons to believe that they had 800Mil->1.2Bil in the accounts. So the wilpons might not be real losers but they are certainly not as well of as they believed they were.
Posted by: Jeff | October 21, 2009 at 04:18 PM
"Out of sheer curiosity, why does it seem that both (some) Mets fans and their front office are convinced that Omir Santos is a quality major-league player? A career minor league journeyman is now getting significant playing time for one of the highest payroll teams in baseball. Just doesn't make any sense to me."
Huh?
You're surprised that a guy who posted OBP's of .328 and .278 in his first two stints in AAA in 2007 and 2008 and a .296 OBP in his first MLB stint, all the while closing in on his Age-29 season, is getting everyday playing time for a big-market team that expects to contend?
I'm trying to figure it out, too.
Are they trying to offset all of that extra offense that Piazza gave them at the position a few years back?
Posted by: scribbletone | October 21, 2009 at 04:25 PM
Well scribble, its nice to see that there are some people out there that aren't completely oblivious to the fact that Santos sucks. The way I see it, the Mets are going to have to do some serious re-tooling this offseason to force their way back into contention. They need an upgrade at 1B, both corner OF spots, and catcher. They also need to add a starter or two and some quality arms to the bullpen.
The fans that suggest they should extend Francoeur, use Santos/Murphy as full-time players, and sign Marquis are far off base if they think that would fix the Mets.
Posted by: BF91 | October 21, 2009 at 04:38 PM
Either way, the Wilpons should still sell. They've already held this team hostage for too long.
Has anyone entertained the possibility that the Wilpons knew what Madoff what doing for all these years?
Posted by: mookie and doc | October 21, 2009 at 04:44 PM
"They need an upgrade at 1B, both corner OF spots, and catcher."
Here's what I would do:
Trade for Kila Ka'aihue from the Royals and Matt Joyce from the Rays, sign Randy Winn, sign Gregg Zaun, and non-tender Francoeur.
SS Reyes
2B Castillo
3B Wright
CF Beltran
1B Ka'aihue
LF Joyce
RF Winn
C Zaun
With a bench of Santos, Murphy, Pagan, and some sort of utility infielder.
Then they can use the remaining money to add to the rotation.
The Mets don't need more stars in their lineup, they already have three, what they need is depth so that guys like Omir Santos and Cory Sullivan aren't getting major playing time.
Posted by: scribbletone | October 21, 2009 at 04:49 PM
why would they non-tender francouer after he hit .311/.836ops? first priority for the mets should be upgrading the rotation and bullpen if they let putz go.
Posted by: jaydh2 | October 21, 2009 at 05:08 PM
agreed. Non-tendering Franceour sounds absurd.
Posted by: mookie and doc | October 21, 2009 at 05:27 PM
Because, if they tender him a contract, chances are he will get around 4 mil. A guy who doesn't walk and only really looks like a decent player when he gets insanely lucky.
He's way overrated defensively, has zero plate discipline. He really ain't a 4 million dollar player, anywhere close.
Posted by: R y a n | October 21, 2009 at 05:50 PM
4mil is nothing. they arent going to get anything better for 4mil....randy winn lol. i will take what frenchy did in 07 and be happy. that would be plenty out of the #6 hitter.
Posted by: jaydh2 | October 21, 2009 at 05:53 PM
"Out of sheer curiosity, why does it seem that both (some) Mets fans and their front office are convinced that Omir Santos is a quality major-league player? A career minor league journeyman is now getting significant playing time for one of the highest payroll teams in baseball. Just doesn't make any sense to me."
I don't think anybody is particularly thrilled about the idea of Omir Santos playing a significant role next year.....but at the same time, what's the alternative? Brian Schneider? Rod Barajas? Pudge? Jason Varitek? Bengie Molina? I'd rather have Santos make 400K to be the Catcher and suck then pay any one of those guys significant money to suck.
Really though, the Mets would be well served to give Josh Thole a real shot to win the job. If for nothing else then being better then the alternatives.
Posted by: AdropOFvenom | October 21, 2009 at 06:03 PM
"If i was a mets fan, Id be pissed... The Mets essitionaly used the Madoff scandal as a reason for not going after guys like Burnett, CC and Tex. Now, they may gain 48M? wow..."
Might want to check your facts....the Mets have NEVER used the Madoff scandal as an excuse. They have specifically said repeatedly that it has zero impact on the day to day operations of the Mets. It's been the media all along making up a story when there was none.
Posted by: AdropOFvenom | October 21, 2009 at 06:12 PM
"4mil is nothing. they arent going to get anything better for 4mil....randy winn lol. i will take what frenchy did in 07 and be happy. that would be plenty out of the #6 hitter.
Posted by: jaydh2 | October 21, 2009 at 05:53 PM"
Actually, Randy Winn on 4 mil would be a better deal than Frenchy on 4. At least Winn plays much better defense than Francoeur, and while he probably isn't hitting the ball as hard as he has in the past (his LD% went up to 22, but BABIP declined a significant amount to .308)Winn should be a pretty safe bet to hit something around .270/.340/.390, better than the likely sub .300 OBP and poor defense the Mets would get from Francoeur.
Posted by: R y a n | October 21, 2009 at 09:58 PM
sub .300obp is no guarentee. i would still take a chance on a young player with good potential than an aging player who isnt anything special.
Posted by: jaydh2 | October 21, 2009 at 10:59 PM
sub .300obp is no guarentee. i would still take a chance on a young player with good potential than an aging player who isnt anything special.
Posted by: jaydh2 | October 21, 2009 at 10:59 PM
I watched Francoeur from the time he came to the majors til the Braves traded him. He's had an OBP under .300 in two of his four full years in the majors and it took a ridiculous climb in his BABIP for it to be over in 2006 and a luck-filled second half performance for him to barely break .300 this year.
Most people see that Francoeur is still relatively young and has that all-important "potential" surrounding him. What they fail to realize is that he's spent 4.5 years in the majors and has not improved in the slightest. He's simply not a good player and an offensive black hole when he's not being buoyed by a ridiculously high BABIP.
The Mets would be much better off by bringing in a guy like Winn, Byrd, Cameron, etc to man one of the outfield spots and filling the other corner with F-Mart. After that, I like what scribbletone suggested. Trade for a young, blocked 1B like Ka'aihue and sign one of the free agent catchers that will produce decent numbers.
Posted by: BF91 | October 22, 2009 at 12:41 AM
"sub .300obp is no guarentee."
When that is the best thing you can say about a player. He SUCKS!
Francoeur SUCKS.
Why do so many Met fans think guys like Omir Santos, Alex Cora, and Jeff Francoeur are good players? They SUCK.
I am not one to use bold words but is amazing to me. These guys are all blatantly bad players and for some reason people see something that simply isn't there and think these guys are somehow good? They all suck. Francouer is a bad hitter and a bad right fielder. What is good about him? His arm? Can he throw a curveball? Maybe they can put him in the bullpen and he can take over for BB-Rod, throwing as hard as he can with no idea where it will end up.
Posted by: nrmax88 | October 22, 2009 at 02:22 AM
Wow, BB-Rod. LOL Is that old or did you just make that up right here? Either way, brilliant!!
Posted by: East Coast Bias | October 22, 2009 at 03:47 AM