Cafardo On Cabrera, Penny, Upton

if the angels don't bring back lackey or figgins and the M's can sign bay and and 2 of the following pitchers

/sheets/harden/Duchscherer/Marquis/Wolf/Pineiro

they have a chance in that division

There is no way Detroit trades Miggy. End of story.

A Miguel Cabrera to the Saux trade will start with Clay Bucholz.

Maybe, something like Bucholz, Ellsbury, Bowden and Anderson.Even then, I'm not sure that's enough to get it done.

Posted by: angryredmenace | November 15, 2009 at 09:52 AM

NO FREAKING WAY, IT'S NOT LIKE HE'S COSTING 400K A YEAR.

HE IS GETTING PAID 20 MILLION A YEAR

BxSquad: Perhaps you disagree, but the Red Sox would make that deal in a heartbeat, as they should. Fortunately for you, I don't think Detroit would do it.

Why the hell would Detroit want a light hitting, horrible fielding centerfielder and an over rated pitcher for one of the best hitters in the game?

Why would the Red Sox give up their number three pitcher, starting centerfielder and leadoff hitter, and two of their top prospects (who make less than 2 million total) for a $20 million a year player? I'd much rather see the Red Sox get Adrian Gonzalez...he is a better player and he's not a scumbag like Cabrera.

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And you do?

Yeah, Holliday isn't worth Teixeira money. Sorry, but Holliday isn't a player that hit about .290 with an AL leading 39 homers and 122 rbi's while winning a gold glove and a silver slugger, and is up for the AL mvp. Boras needs to get real, ASAP.

As for Lackey, I don't think it's possible that he'll get Burnett money. Burnett's 2008 season was an excellent season, and Lackey just doesn't put up the numbers he does aside from wins. Lackey is not an overpowering or a great strikeout pitcher, he has decent stuff, and a knack for getting outs. He won't be up there in the league lead for K's or ERA, but he'll get you wins. Reminds me a little of Chien Ming Wang.

the red sox will not trade kelly or westmoreland.. they have plenty of other prospects to get the deal done. we got buchholz, bard, reddick, bowden, kalish, tazawa, anderson, pimental, doubront, exposito, navarro, rizzo, jimenez, federowics, richardson, lavarnway, place, britton.. all in the top 30.. overrated my ass

I do not get why people are going crazy. Is Cabrera going to be traded? Probably not but Cafardo didn't say he was going to be he was just speculating on it. Honestly don't blame a sportswriter for writing about your team possibly trading your young power hitter just because your team is cutting payroll. It isn't his fault your team gave Willis that extension, he didn't let Ordonez's option vest, he didn't give out all the bad contracts that your team did. He isn't saying the Cabrera will get trading he is just speculating on it so quit freaking out.

The only way I want to see Bucholz go to Detroit in a deal for Miggy is if the Sox sign Lackey first, cuz I think after Lackey, Bucholz has the potential to be as good if not better than any other FA starting pitcher. If we sign Lackey, I say go ahead and get Miggy as long as we dont need to throw in Ellsbury, unless we somehow get Granderson as well.

I would hope the Giants interest in Penny is to allow them to trade a pitcher (other than Tiny Tim) for a bat.

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Tell me why you think the Red Sox would EVER trade Clay Buccholz for "Miggy?"

"I say go ahead and get Miggy as long as we dont need to throw in Ellsbury, unless we somehow get Granderson as well."

So youre saying
Boston Gets:
"Miggy" and Granderson
Tigers Get:
Buccholz and Ellsbury

That is the stupid trade. I cant belive you said that, and You are a Red Sox fan...?

For everyone that is saying the Red Sox would have to trade Ellsbury, Buccholz, Kelly, and Anderson, they will not trade Jacoby, or Kelly.'

Why would the Red Sox ever trade Jacoby Ellsbury??

So... it "isn't far-fetched" that Upton gets traded. What kind of a haul are the Rays looking for in return? Are they looking for particular positions? More prospects? Bullpen arms (really good ones)?

Thank you Beckett Lester.

Red Sox would have to give up Buchholz, Anderson, Ellsbury, and Kelly to land Cabrera. Anything less, they would fleece the Tigers

Posted by: QueensKing | November 15, 2009 at 10:12 AM

Sold.

why the hell would the tigers trade cabby

Posted by: gottschalk47 | November 15, 2009 at 11:33 AM
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Because the economy has trashed Michigan in general and Detroit in particular and because owner Mike Ilitch didn't become worth $1.5 billion by making bad investments. The losses can continue for a LITTLE while longer but if team revenue continues to plunge, the Tigers will be forced to have a fire sale. This assessment isn't based on any bias. It's just a cold hard economic reality.

"So... it "isn't far-fetched" that Upton gets traded. What kind of a haul are the Rays looking for in return? Are they looking for particular positions? More prospects? Bullpen arms (really good ones)?"

It's really tough to gauge Upton's trade value.

He's developed into an elite defender in center field, but after breaking out in 2007, he had a disappointing 2008 before falling apart offensively in 2009.

He's a patient hitter with plus power and he's stolen 86 bases in the past two seasons, but he's also had issues with strikeouts, and his walk rate took a massive step back in 2009.

The Rays could certainly land a haul for him, his combination of present defensive value and absolutely massive offensive upside make him a really, really interesting piece, he's got the ability to be Carlos Beltran if he can put it all together.

I talk about the Rays, specifically the Matt Joyce situation, among other things (Granderson to the Angels rumors, Looper's option being declined, etc.) on my new blog, Scribbling the Majors.

If anyone's interested, just search "scribbling the majors" on Google, the first page it finds is my Matt Joyce post.

I would hope the Giants interest in Penny is to allow them to trade a pitcher (other than Tiny Tim) for a bat.

Posted by: studio179 | November 15, 2009 at 10:59 AM

i hope they do sign penny, but they will never trade lincecum. he will be a giants his whole career. the best pitcher they might trade would be cain. but sanchez would be the first starter to go.

As for Lackey, I don't think it's possible that he'll get Burnett money. Burnett's 2008 season was an excellent season, and Lackey just doesn't put up the numbers he does aside from wins. Lackey is not an overpowering or a great strikeout pitcher, he has decent stuff, and a knack for getting outs. He won't be up there in the league lead for K's or ERA, but he'll get you wins. Reminds me a little of Chien Ming Wang.

What are you smoking??? A.J. Burnett has only had 2 real good seasons in his entire career and has only thrown 200+ innings a few times. He only pitches dominantly in contract seasons. He can't get his ERA below 4.00 most seasons, including this season. Want proof?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/burnea.01.shtml

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lackejo01.shtml

The biggest difference between the 2 does not show up in any box score or statistical table, it's on the field. Burnett lets the pressure get to his head and, as a result, has serious laspses in control from to time. Whereas Lackey does get fired up, but he buckles down.

I'd take Lackey over Burnett no matter what, hands down.

Does anyone see the possibility of the Cubs getting Upton for a package revolving around Szamrdjia. Throw in Sam Fuld and Jeff Baker.

"Does anyone see the possibility of the Cubs getting Upton for a package revolving around Szamrdjia. Throw in Sam Fuld and Jeff Baker."

No.

Samardzija has a no-trade clause. But even after that, he just isnt that good. He has pour control and doesnt K nearly enough players to make up for it. In fact, look at his career (both majors and minors)

4.25 FIP 06 in Low A
5.29 FIP 06 in A
4.34 FIP 07 in High A
5.94 FIP 07 in AA
4.81 FIP 08 in AA
4.16 FIP 08 in AAA
3.06 FIP 08 in ML (more on this season after)
4.37 FIP 09 in AAA
5.90 FIP 09 in ML

the 3.06 in the majors is the only positive blip on the record, period. But even it is misleading. The first 10 games he threw 14.2 innings of 0.915 WHIP, 8 H, (4.9 H/9), 5 BB (3.07 BB/9) with 15 Ks (9.2 K/9 and 3.0 K/BB) for a line against of .157/.232/.216/.448. The next 16 Games saw 13 IP, 2.00 WHIP, 16 Hits (11.1 H/9), 10 BB (6.9 BB/9) and only 10 K (6.9 K/9 and 1.0 K/BB) for a .291/.403/.327/.730 line against.

Nothing in his minor or ML track record (sans his first 10 games) indicates the Shark will be that good. I‘m not even sure how he got the prospect ranking he held. But I sure wish Hendry hadn’t given him that No-Trade and dumped him on someone else while he still had trade value.

Tampa Bay wouldn’t be foolish enough to greatly overvalue him in a deal like that. And outside of him, you have merely a 28 year old 5th OF that you can find comparables to on the Minor League free agent market and a 29 Year Old Utility Infielder who we got for nothing.

"Teixiera only worth 12 mil?"

Ok, $15 million, and that's pushing it.

I've seen many a slugger put up bigger numbers while making less money at the exact same stage in their careers. Perhaps, it was a down year for Yankee Stadium standards. Who knows? He might hit 50 HR and drive in 140 RBI in 2010. Juan Gonzalez did it, Albert Belle did it. Why can't Mark Teixeira do it with one of the shortest porches in the history of MLB?

If the Mariners sign Jason Bay I'll hate life.