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Indians Notes: Free Agent Targets, Marte

Paul Hoynes of the Cleveland Plain Dealer answers readers' questions in a mailbag piece. Within the article, he provides his opinions on a few Indians-related topics....

  • There's "no way" the Indians will sign someone as expensive as Kerry Wood this year.
  • If the club is involved in signing free agents at all, Hoynes expects the deals to happen later in the offseason, and at very little cost.
  • Hoynes wouldn't be surprised if GM Mark Shapiro targeted one or two inexpensive, low-risk starting pitchers. Hoynes doesn't offer any specific names, though one reader suggests Noah Lowry. Check out MLBTR's free agent list for an idea of what type of reclamation projects the Indians might look at this offseason.
  • Hoynes thinks Andy Marte has a decent chance of remaining on the roster through the winter and competing for a spot on the team in the spring


Comments

2010 is a season of low expectations for the Tribe. A good 2010 would include:

1. Kerry Wood pitches well and the Indians find a suitor at the deadline w/o having to eat any salary.
2. Westbrook is healthy and can be dealt for quality prospects at the deadline.
3. Peralta rebounds and is dealt which is why Marte should be retained as a placeholder for Chisenhall.
5. Hafner's shoulder is better and he earns his keep.
4. Belcher manages to fix Carmona and return him to form.
5. One or more of Masterson, Carrasco, Huff, Laffey or Sowers develops into a solid middle of the rotation contributor.
6. C. Perez, J. Todd and other new acquisitions stabilize a miserable bullpen including R. Perez finally looking more like himself.
7. Shapiro resists any delusions of competing in '10 and stays away from the free agent market.
8. Newcomers M. Brantley, M. LaPorta, L. Marson, J. Donald turn out to be the real deals.
9. C. Santana is up by the break and helps everybody forget about the loss of V-Mart.
10. Sizemore is healthy
11. Choo finally gets the recognition he deserves and a contract to buy out his arbitration years and beyond.

12. Shoppach dealt for whatever they can get (better than non-tendering him).

If the Indians are trading Shoppach, Omar should look into it. Any ideas on what the Mets should give?

"If the Indians are trading Shoppach, Omar should look into it. Any ideas on what the Mets should give?"

A player or two in A ball that won't have to be protected from the Rule 5 draft. Indians have a real roster squeeze. It won't take much to land Shoppach.

If the Mets trade for Shoppach, they would need to give up young pitching. Perhaps a developing closer? (Keep in mind, I have no knowledge of the Mets or Indians farm systems, I'm just going on what their major league teams look like.)

That said, I think the Brewers might want to give him a shot. He's only signed for another year, right? If that's true, we could use him as a stop-gap until Jonathon Lucroy is ready to come up and start.

Mick - great points on the Indians. The problem for teams and fans is that rarely does everything work out like it's supposed to. When it does it's usually a result of career years and it ends up raising expectations to unrealistic heights. Every team would be better if the players all turned out to be what the fans expect, the problem is that fans don't recognize that their expectations are all best case scenarios. You seem to get it though, that's nice to see for a change. Maybe Indians fans are smarter than most?

I think the Mets, Jays, Mariners, Marlins, Blue Jays and Reds might be logical landing spots for Shoppach. I hadn't thought of the Brewers. I'm terrible at proposing trades, always over or under valuing players, so I resist it. A guy like Oscar Puello from the Mets, Maikel Cleto from the Mariners, Markus Brisker from the Jays, Brad Hand from the Marlins or Wily Peralta from the Brewers would be great but, like I said, I'm terrible at this. The Indians have lots of other nice pieces to offer with Shoppach as a package. If the Indians could offer Shoppach a contract and accept whatever arbitration salary he would be granted they could package Shoppach, Westbrook and Kerry Wood at the break, maybe add a Matt McBride type and get a nice young group of players.

Mick - great points on the Indians. The problem for teams and fans is that rarely does everything work out like it's supposed to. When it does it's usually a result of career years and it ends up raising expectations to unrealistic heights. Every team would be better if the players all turned out to be what the fans expect, the problem is that fans don't recognize that their expectations are all best case scenarios. You seem to get it though, that's nice to see for a change. Maybe Indians fans are smarter than most?

Posted by: pageian | November 08, 2009 at 01:15 PM

Yeah, the Indians would have to have a perfect storm of a season in order to be competitive in 2010. Their best hope is to shed some salary and get a few prospects by dealing some non-core players and to see some progression from some youngsters. Jason Knapp, for example, will be the difference between Shapiro looking like a genius or a fool in the Cliff Lee trade. I know the Lee trade doesn't look good now but the Bartolo Colon trade didn't look good either at the time.

Boy, Travis Hafner's deal is an albatross for a non-contender:

2010: $11.5M
2011: $11.5M
2012: $13.0M
2013: $13.0M
2014: $13.0M option /$2.75M buyout

Anyway...

It will be interesting monitoring the progress of Lou Marson, Carlos Carrasco, Jason Donald, and Jason Knapp this year. Guessing the Phillies are ok with the Cliff Lee deal, but the Indians could come out looking ok here too.

Well... what a shock !!!

Paul Hoynes offers Indians fans the idea that they won't get any free agents of consequence, the Indians won't spend any money, and if they do, it won't be until later or if ever. This is the same Paul Hoynes "crapola" story that he's been running / posting for the past 18 months. Why bother reading his crap?

what say you?

how about the mets trade a used ball bag for shppach and his .214 BA

how about the mets trade a used ball bag for shppach and his .214 BA

Posted by: eiubaseball | November 08, 2009 at 04:33 PM

...and an OPS of .734 versus Brian Schneider's .627

Or let's compare '08 lines:

Schneider: .257/.339/.362
Shoppach: ..261/.348/.517

Shoppach is a slugger and while he didn't have a good '09, he is what's called a "buy low" opportunity.

maybe they shouldve kept ramon castro, very similar numbers shoppach 22.6 ab/hr and castro 22.1ab/hr, with almost identical BA's, all the mets got back from the castro trade was lance broadway who will never live up to his 1st round hype

On another front, Noah Lowry is the kind of pitcher the Indians already have out the wazoo. I fail to see the point.

On another front, Noah Lowry is the kind of pitcher the Indians already have out the wazoo. I fail to see the point.

Posted by: MickS | November 08, 2009 at 05:38 PM

he is just like sowers except coming off an injury, which makes me wonder why anyone who is an indians fan would want him, and he pitched in the NL

im a phils fan and beleive me in a year or 2 marson will be very good i saw him play

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