Discussion: Changes Coming In Boston?

Following the Red Sox' three-game sweep at the hands of the last-place Baltimore Orioles, GM Theo Epstein insinuated that the team may need to make roster changes. In a piece by John Tomase of the Boston Herald, Epstein assesses the current state of his club:

"We’re still playing bad baseball. Unintelligent, undisciplined, uninspired baseball. It’s got to change…. It either changes itself or we have to do something to change it."

The Red Sox ranked first in baseball in offseason spending, investing in players like John Lackey, Mike Cameron, Adrian Beltre, and Marco Scutaro. The on-field product has underperformed so far though, looking up in the standings at the Rays, Yankees, and even the Blue Jays.

As Tomase suggests, it's hard to single out one player or even one aspect of the team as the root of the problem. However, when considering the likelihood of a drastic roster move, it's worth noting that many of the struggling players are in the final year of their contracts. Victor Martinez has had trouble throwing out basestealers and is hitting just .233/.298/.314. Designated hitters David Ortiz (.159/.254/.381) and Mike Lowell (.222/.300/.333) are underachieving and overpaid. Even Beltre, despite a .330 average, has yet to homer and has played mediocre defense by his standards, committing his sixth error of the season tonight.

The Red Sox are, of course, unlikely to become sellers, but they'll need to turn things around soon or risk falling from contention in a competitive division. If the Sox fail to make up ground on the Rays and Yankees in the AL East, what moves could you see the club making in the coming weeks and months?

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  1. Bonesaw McGraw 5 years ago

    cut Ortiz

  2. nhlegend 5 years ago

    The Sox have only one day off this month, so they will be tested. At the end of the month I think that David Ortiz will be released, Lowell will be traded (by the All Star break at the latest), Lowrie will be finishing his rehab in AAA and waiting for a call-up and the pitching staff will be May’s MVPs. I have no prediction for Dice-K yet, it’s too soon to tell.

  3. buxfan 5 years ago

    Allright Sox fans, what would you be willing to offer for Ryan Doumit, who’s currently tearing the cover off of the ball for the Pirates?

    • Nicolas_C 5 years ago

      But can he throw runners out? That’s all that matters to them right now, we all know V-Mart is gonna hit sooner or later.

      • buxfan 5 years ago

        He’s not a great defensive catcher, no. But he’s a true switch hitter with power from both sides of the plate, he’s locked in at a reasonable price, and he’s a good character guy. I was just wondering what kind of value others place upon him, and see what kind of prospect package could be available in exchange for him.

        • Nicolas_C 5 years ago

          Sounds like a Martinez clone to me haha. I think another team looking for a power bat at a position often lacking in good hitters could give a good return for Doumit. Maybe if the Tigers are in the race they could be a potential suitor. Also, teams might prefer Chris Ianetta over Doumit, given his age and a few years of team control left at a good price.

          • Ferrariman 5 years ago

            Vmart is a DH playing catcher. Doumit is a catcher who plays below average defense.

          • Nicolas_C 5 years ago

            I won’t argue that Martinez doesn’t belong at catcher, but if the Red Sox are going to upgrade defensively, they’re going to UPGRADE defensively. Meaning they would bring in a guy that’s defensive minded, like idk Ramon Castro when he’s healthy, just throwing a name out there. But as a mentioned below, the Red Sox have a bloated roster and are handicapped, so I don’t see them making a major trade this season unless they release Ortiz and/or Lowell, preferably for them both.

          • jwredsox 5 years ago

            Give Martinez some credit. He is still alright behind the plate and the only area he struggles is throwing guys out which he has improved on and as has varitek (they’ve thrown out the last 4 base steal attempts). I don’t think he is a DH though

          • Fangaffes 5 years ago

            I read in the paper this morning that the Sox have caught 6 of the last 7 base stealers (pickoffs included). VMart and the pitchers have been working hard on this. Maybe a little patience is due before blowing up the position and payroll.

    • thehimalayan 5 years ago

      We will take Bowden, Lars Anderson and Victor Martinez. Dream on. Doumit is not going anywhere but is a solid backstop and a great raker.

  4. its funny because ive been saying that the red sox were gonna struggle this year because of their moronic signings, but no. everyone disagreed when i said they werent going to make it. thats what happened when they got rid of manny. they were still a good team with jason bay, but now he is gone. in the pre-manny era, the sox struggled immensley to be a playoff contender. if you all recalled, when the bocox built their team on pitching and defense in 2006, they flunked. but dont take my word for it. everf sports illustrated predicted the red sox finishing 3rd in the AL east. if u dont believe me, go see for yourself

    • Nicolas_C 5 years ago

      The same magazine that picked the Mets for the World Series last year?

    • jwredsox 5 years ago

      What moronic signings are these? care to name a few and provide a nice reason as to why it was a bad baseball move?

  5. jwredsox 5 years ago

    I don’t see anything major being done outside of an Agonz trade. But I still think they are simply playing worse than they really are.

  6. Ferrariman 5 years ago

    red sox really buried themselves in a hole this time. i doubt the padres would even let adrian go now that they have shocked baseball and are in contention.

    who else is left that might be available……? drawing a blank here

  7. zippy18 5 years ago

    bring back Jim Rice, can probably hit better than Papi, hes more fit than Papi!

  8. Twins45 5 years ago

    They need to do something our its gonna become to hard to catch up. Kubel and Ramos for Youk.

    I kid, I kid

  9. Yankees420 5 years ago

    I think a 3 way trade involving Paplebon would be smart for the Red Sox, because then they trade a valuable piece that won’t hurt very much due to Bard. They trade to a team looking for a closer while that team gives up prospects to SD, the Sox would probably have to throw in a B prospect or something to complete the deal but I think it’d be worth it for them. Now as a Yankee fan I hope that this doesn’t happen, I hope they trade Paplebon for a marginal return, Bard falters in the majors, and they either don’t trade for offense or get fleeced in a deal where they do.

    One dumb thing I believe Boston did this offseason was make it very difficult to make a mid-season acquisition. They signed Beltre which prevents Youk from sliding across the diamond to make room for someone like A-Gon. Add to it V-Mart is looking more and more like a 1B/DH and it jams their roster up even more.

    • ELPinchy 5 years ago

      Yeah but they expected Lowell to be gone….and expected Vmart to actually hit at least for a decent average.If it were not for that and the injuries it might not look as bad as it does. That being said you are totally correct,they really left no wiggle room.

      • Yankees420 5 years ago

        True, Boston seems to have had a lot of bad luck this season, and I know that V-Mart will start to hit, it’s just the amount of baserunners that are stealing on him, if you can’t stop anyone from stealing second then it makes the game pretty difficult.

    • Marcos 5 years ago

      I think that while they would like to get AGonz, it would be better for them to obtain a solid catcher who can handle the bat and throw out runners. The only name that comes to mind right now (even though he is struggling offensively) is Iannetta. But then they play their aquisition at C, slide VMart to 1B/DH and Youk to 3B/1B/DH. Unless they can somehow get rid of Papi, Lowell and somehow Beltre, then they should focus on a catcher. Although a good 1B wouldn’t hurt their offense.

      As a yankee, I hope this never happens for them…

    • quintjs 5 years ago

      I don’t think that is exactly true.

      Now they were hoping to unload Lowell.

      THe Sox however knew if they got Gonzalez midseason, they needed the offense, which means they probably were not getting offense from 1B or DH.

      Lets face it, Ortiz is the reason the Sox need another big bat, so get Gonzalez at 1B, Youk can DH and play LF (has before, odd game when needed) and Gonzalez and Martinez can also have the odd game at DH. Ortiz is released in this scenerio.

      The fact the Sox have made no effort to sign Martinez long term is probably a good indicator they do not think he is their catcher going forward.

      • Marcos 5 years ago

        Ortiz is only a part of why they need more offense, along with Lowell, and a in a very small way Beltre, as well as the Cameron signing (not that it was a bad signing, he’s just mostly glove) and the injury to Ellsbury, as well as poor play by Martinez (who, unless is injured, WILL start batting any moment now), J.D. Drew and Beltre.
        Simply put, it’s a “perfect storm” of injury/poor play/sub par players.

  10. adamdm07 5 years ago

    Maybe you could call the Braves. You won’t get McCann but I am sure if you gave a good enough offer you might get David Ross who has swung a pretty good bat and is fairly decent defensively as well. Just a thought!

    • jwredsox 5 years ago

      I hope the Sox think like me and don’t trust unproven catchers. Seems like too many of them struggle in the bigs even after being solid in the minors

    • adamdm07 5 years ago

      I also blieve the Red Sox aren’t this bad. I agree with an earlier comment that they were loaded between catcher and first basemen, then when they signed beltre they lost alot flexibility with guys like youkilis and Lowell. Lowell will prolly be traded but they might have been better off signing a more flexible player instead of beltre, the lineup in my opinion would not have be affected much by Youkilis at third and VMART at first.

  11. bomberj11 5 years ago

    I wouldn’t mind if the Sox became sellers. I mean we have some young guys in the minors who’ll be nice to have in a few years. But what could we sell? Not much, but returns for Ellsbury and Pedroia could be nice.

    • jwredsox 5 years ago

      No reason to get rid of either though. Pedroia is locked up and cheap and at a premium position and ells still has arb. Not reason to get rid of those young guys. Especially since there is no can’t miss prospect in the minors that they are blocking.

    • BoSoxSam 5 years ago

      But Ells and Pedey are exactly the kind of guys you’d want to hang on to if you became a seller…that makes no sense. If they were gonna be sellers, they would start unloading guys like Youk, Beltre, Cameron, V-Mart, etc. Still this is much too good of a team to be sellers. As a couple other commenters said, they are playing much below their potential right now.

      • ELPinchy 5 years ago

        They won’t unload Youk but all the guys that are done at the end of the season (Ortiz,Lowell,VMart,Beltre,Tek) or like Drew who has one more year left. I can see them unloading any of them for some roster fillers in the low minors if they fall out of contention.

  12. dodgers1 5 years ago

    big papi to LA

  13. BoSoXaddict 5 years ago

    Obviously, the Sox don’t have a ton of options for trading Major League pieces unless they decide to part with Youk or MDC, neither of which seem likely. Buchholz also isn’t going anywhere at this point unless it’s for A.Gonz, Fielder, Cabrera, etc. and none of those players seems likely to be traded anytime soon. But since Ortiz is a likley candidate to be released, and Lowell a POSSIBLE trade candidate they’ll need a new DH most likely..a slot V-Mart would slide nicely in to provided they could trade for a catcher. Ianetta seems like a legit possibility to me and they still have a good amount of quality lower minors pitching prospects like Doubront, Pimental, Bowden, Fife, Weiland, etc. that I’m sure would interest the Rockies.

  14. Steve_in_MA 5 years ago

    I’d be for outright radical changes if I thought we could do something to replace everyone I’d release or trade. The problem is, I’d release or trade about 7 guys, who I don’t think we could adequately replace, even if I’d accept a third place finish. Tops on my list would be Scutaro. His errors have him at a -3 WAR. He’s less than adequate on D, and I don’t care about offense from a shortstop. If I couldn’t get a bucket of balls for him, I’d release him in a heartbeat. Eat all $12MM. In my opinion he blows along the lines of Julio Lugo, with a slightly better OBP.

    • jwredsox 5 years ago

      This summer’s next blockbuster hit, Kid General Manager!
      (Does best Don LaFontaine impression) ….armed with WAR, small sample sizes, and a foolish GM, watch how one man can set the record for dumb decisions and make Julio Lugo look like a good signing.

      Dumping Scutaro would be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. And you CAN NOT NOT NOT NOT I REPEAT NOT USE SMALL SAMPLE SIZES FOR WAR. You need a long term sample to get anywhere near usable measure for WAR. and this means more than 1 season. A guy doesn’t just lose their ability to field when he changes teams, especially an infielder where OF walls and OF size aren’t even a problem.

      • Steve_in_MA 5 years ago

        Considering that I vigorously advocated for us to retain Alex Gonzalez last year and NOT SIGN this miserable twerp, its more like I’m boy genius and your the town dunce.
        link to fangraphs.com Screw you and your sample sizes. I’m talking about 3 REAL ACTUAL games he’s COST the BoSox. I can name them. I bet you can too. Its not a stat. Its fact. We don’t need no stinking samples.

        • jwredsox 5 years ago

          I know that article I read it earlier and he has a freakin .319 OBP! that is terrible. Who cares if he is hitting the ball hard if he isn’t going to get one base? he will revert to normal form (as the article says at the end) and you will be sitting here cheering for Scutaro like the rest of us. In fact, you can make an argument that Scutaro has been better than Gonzalez so far. And comparing Scutaro to Lugo is ludicrous. Why not compare Victor Martinez to Jose Molina while you’re at it.
          Scutaro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gonzalez.

          • Steve_in_MA 5 years ago

            I don’t care what a short stop does offensively. All I want is a human groundball vacuum combined with a throwing machine. He’s hitting ninth anyway. Anything on O he does is a plus, just like an NL pitcher. But on defense, I want as near perfection as possible. Many championships have been won by clubs with anemic offense from the shortstop position; dynasties have occurred under these circumstance, in fact. Not to mention that Gonzalez could have been had for about half the cost of signing Scutaro. Plus Scutaro’s 2010 error pace of 3 in 26 is right on track to match Julio Lugo’s best year with the Sox. That’s about 19 errors per season, which is precisely what Lugo had in 2007 over 145 games. Certainly not a quality defensive performance .

          • jwredsox 5 years ago

            So let’s (hypohetically) it is after the first game and Scutaro had an error in that game you be saying he were on pace for 162 errors and saying he sucks? Scutaro is a better defensive player by miles than Lugo. Scutaro may not have the range but he makes up for it by not making many errors. Yes he had some rough games, who cares? Lowell made 3 errors in one game in I think 08 and people didn’t freak out then. Over the course of the season his defense + offense will be better than Alex Gonazalez’s value. Nice stat using your WAR: Alex gonzalez’s career high in WAR = 2.8. Scutaro’s WAR last year = 4.2.

          • jwredsox 5 years ago

            and scutaro made a nice defensive play tonight to get the second out of the 4th inning when the angels had a chance to have 1st and 3rd with 1 out and the score tied. And went 3 for 5 with 2 doubles and a run scored.

          • Steve_in_MA 5 years ago

            Gonzalez has a career UZR/150 of +7 and Scutaro has a career UZR/150 of -3.3. Scutaro’s career Fpct at SS is only 6 points higher than Gonzalez, despite the fact that Gonz gets to about 10% more ground balls. Scut’s Fpct at SS is below league average for shortstops by 8 points. I’m not sure how you get that he doesn’t historically make alot of errors. I’m glad Scuts had a good game last night, but I’d still prefer Alex Gonzalez to be out there, flashing solid leather and ranging wide.

        • jwredsox 5 years ago

          I know that article I read it earlier and he has a freakin .319 OBP! that is terrible. Who cares if he is hitting the ball hard if he isn’t going to get one base? he will revert to normal form (as the article says at the end) and you will be sitting here cheering for Scutaro like the rest of us. In fact, you can make an argument that Scutaro has been better than Gonzalez so far. And comparing Scutaro to Lugo is ludicrous. Why not compare Victor Martinez to Jose Molina while you’re at it.
          Scutaro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gonzalez.

      • Vmmercan 5 years ago

        Edgar Renteria

  15. soxxxxx 5 years ago

    i think everyone is making mountains out of molehills. Sure they are playing bad but it is just may. Besides, the pitching has settled down lately. Lester’s last two starts have been great, Buccholtz has been good all season, Lackey has been solid lately, and Becketts last performance was great. The team just needs to get on the same page and start clicking. It begins with the starting pitching, i think theyll turn it around soon.

  16. Ortiz by the end of this month will be released.
    Then Lowell will get traded in june but in the mean time plays DH. Then when he does get traded Vmart to DH and bring either Dusty Brown or Mark Wagner two very solid defensive catchers to either start over Varitek or more than likely platooning with him.

    • went9 5 years ago

      Right, bring up Mark Wagner with a broken bone in his hand. While you’re at it, let’s have Jed Lowrie take over for Scutaro and bring up the talented Junichi Tazawa for Dice-K. Playoffs!

    • Rich G 5 years ago

      I agree Ortiz will be released at some point but I don’t agree with the rest of your point. In the past few games Martinez has been improving his throw out rate on attempted steals. I would think if anything you could see Lowell in the DH role for the rest of season platooned with some old veterans like JD, Varietk, Martinez, Youkillis. There are a lot of possibilities.

      But lets be honest, Mark Wagner and Dusty will not get the job done at the plate. We know Martinez and Varitek have both proven a great platoon offensively this season. It is also a good sign Martinez has been throwing runners like I mentioned previously.

      If anything, I could picture Dice K going. I mean, did you notice his enthusiasm when he attempted to act like he was holding the runners on during his last start?

      Oh and, Red Sox minor league update:

      Casey Kelly continues to get knocked up in the past 4 starts of April.

      link to web.minorleaguebaseball.com

      • ArmchairGM 5 years ago

        He had a 1.36 WHIP with 1 ER in 8.2 innings in his first 3 games. He had a bad game last time out, which happens. He’s pitched a grand total of 10.2 innings this year. I think it’s of an overstatement to call his past 4 starts “getting knocked up”. Which admittedly sounds a bit awkward anyway.

      • jwredsox 5 years ago

        Dice K has a full no trade clause and can’t be sent to AAA. What are you going to do release him lol?

      • jwredsox 5 years ago

        Dice K has a full no trade clause and can’t be sent to AAA. What are you going to do release him lol?

      • Steve_in_MA 5 years ago

        Only really one bad outing on 4/28, otherwise, he’s been decent. More importantly, it seems Luis Exposito’s bat is coming around a little in late April/early May.

  17. Sd_brain 5 years ago

    once mauer gets back i could see the red sox making a trade for ramos (good defense and pwr bat) using pap…

  18. counciltucky 5 years ago

    Wow — can’t believe the negativity regarding the Red Sox. I’m a Yankee fan, so I naturally hope the Red Sox’s struggles continue (at least to an extent — it is fun when both the Yanks and Sox are good when they play each other), but it sounds like a lot of people here are ready to nail the coffin.

    Remember, the season is a marathon, not a sprint.

    • nhlegend 5 years ago

      I’m a Red Sox’ fan that lives in Connecticut, so I get to hear the “doom and gloomers” and “we need change now” crowd of the Mets, Red Sox and Yankees. Most fans would never last as a general manager because they are short-sighted. There are no significant trades to be made, not in the first week of May. Almost every team out there can still claim to be a legitimate contender for a playoff berth this early. Unless the Sox want to do something stupid and give up young talent for a bad contract, there’s no significant trade coming any time soon.

      I think tonight’s game did a lot for the moral of the team and I hope they rally in May. I also think that Ortiz will eventualy be released when Lowrie is ready to play.

    • jwredsox 5 years ago

      I hate the negative people who talk about the Red Sox. I just assume they don’t know much about baseball.

  19. wakefield4life 5 years ago

    For all the talk of the sox offense and Papi and Lowell needing to get the axe, what’s really hurting the Sox right now is pitching. There is a lack a quality SP right now. In another month or so, this won’t be the issue b/c Beckett and Lester are starting to put it together. Lackey and Buchholz have been solid contributors. The Sox need to consider moving Dice-K to the bullpen. Wake’s numbers are just going to balloon in the small sample size he gets. He can really only contribute as a starter. It sucks b/c the Sox spent all this money to get Dice-K a couple years back, and you’re really not getting value for Dice-K if he’s in the pen, but it just might be the best move they can make. Dice-K could make and incredible longman and has the stuff to setup. Schoenweis and Attchison are not cutting it. These are the guys that should really be considered getting the axe. We need more pen arms that aren’t dumb and dumber. A big bat could always help, but the problem right now is with the pitching.

    But as far as offense goes, I think Lowell will get traded (hopefully for a pen arm or a C) and Vmart will find his way to DH. The Sox won’t release Papi – he’ll sit on the bench. Tek might find his way back behind the plate, but I don’t think so. He’s a notorious fast starter who dwindles out as the season goes on. The Sox are going to try to acquire a rent-a-catcher that plays good defense and probably won’t be able to hit, b/c leading the league in giving up SBs is not a stat you want to have on your resume.

    • jwredsox 5 years ago

      Sox already said they weren’t going to get a catcher who couldn’t hit.

      • wakefield4life 5 years ago

        Yeah, I agree that’s probably what they’d like to do. But when you can’t contain runners and the entire league knows it, they’re gonna run on you. I don’t think a good hitting and fielding catcher is going to be available for them when they go shopping, and they’re going to get the best catcher they can get, and he probably won’t be able to hit. It’s gonna be one of those “it’s our best option” pickups like Beltre and Scutaro were before the season. Unless, of course, our catchers start containing runners. If either tek or vmart can develop the arm, then they probably won’t go shopping for one.

        • jwredsox 5 years ago

          just a little side note that hopefully becomes a trend, Sox catchers have thrown out the last 4 SB attempts

          • wakefield4life 5 years ago

            Yeah, I noticed the last couple nights Vmart getting up and throwing strikes to second. I didn’t realize it was the last four, though. Hopefully, it’s a positive note and not just a footnote. I’d absolutely love for the trade deadline to come around and have the Sox not have to shop for a catcher. The first time I saw it, I gave him a little razz applause, but he looks like he’s improving. His biggest problem has been keeping the ball down. He’d release to second and it would fly out of his hand and Petey would almost always have to jump for the ball.

          • jwredsox 5 years ago

            yeah that is what they have been working on. Raising his elbow so he gets on top of the ball when he throws and doesn’t sail it to second.

        • jwredsox 5 years ago

          just a little side note that hopefully becomes a trend, Sox catchers have thrown out the last 4 SB attempts

      • wakefield4life 5 years ago

        Yeah, I agree that’s probably what they’d like to do. But when you can’t contain runners and the entire league knows it, they’re gonna run on you. I don’t think a good hitting and fielding catcher is going to be available for them when they go shopping, and they’re going to get the best catcher they can get, and he probably won’t be able to hit. It’s gonna be one of those “it’s our best option” pickups like Beltre and Scutaro were before the season. Unless, of course, our catchers start containing runners. If either tek or vmart can develop the arm, then they probably won’t go shopping for one.

  20. Fangaffes 5 years ago

    When Theo said this was a bridge year, he was being serious. They have about $55M in expiring contracts, many of which could be useful for other teams making a playoff run. I would love to see them become sellers this year and restock the farm system. The rotation is set for years to come. It’s time to rebuild the position players around the Youkilis/Pedroia/Ellsbury core. I’m more than willing to sacrifice this season to do that.

  21. jonnyleewonder 5 years ago

    I think that the biggest problem sofar is simply that you are missing two of your most important offensive pieces (after peds and Youk – who by the way provides more than enough production for 1B). V-Mart has just not shown up yet, and losing Jacoby removed the sparkplug and tablesetter. I think that is really the problem. You lost a very dynamic player, one that when on base, changes the way pitchers have to approach the 2-5 hitters. Also, it would have allowed you to keep Scutaro in the 9-hole, with protection behind him, which would allow him to really work those counts, forcing pitchers to grind through the 9-5 slots of the order. Those sort of things go a long way for an offense.

  22. tcaredsox15 5 years ago

    Dan Uggla, Marlins don’t want him we can DH him, probably get him cheap. He hit 30 bombs on the Marlins in that giant stadium. Think about Fenway…

  23. travis0548 5 years ago

    Teams like the Red Sox and Yanks don’t “rebuild,” but rather retool. Rather than writing off the season and trading core pieces like Papelbon, Drew, Beltre etc., they’ll simply reconfigure (dump Papi and Lowell and move VMart to DH if he keeps sucking). If this season disappoints, they’ll get Gonzalez this offseason for a package centered around Bucholz….

  24. Who would they trade, Bucholz probably right? I think it’s time for them to go after Adrian, he fits what they need right now exactly. Add offense, move youk over to 3rd, and then maybe trade beltre. I’m not even sure what it would take to get Gonzalez though.

  25. Nicolas_C 5 years ago

    Haven’t heard of a player traded a month after he’s signed, but I suppose crazier things have happened. Beltre will pick it up on defense I think, and he can’t go homerless for the season, expect 15-20 homers.

  26. jwredsox 5 years ago

    plus he is still keeping up a good average and the guy is still one of the best 3B in the league defensively (can’t judge because of he errors, I remember when Lowell had 3 in one game with the sox and the Nation freaked out because he got on a sloppy spell in I think ’08). One complaint I’ve heard on Boston radio stations is that Beltre is only hitting singles. Well guess what? who cares lol, he is still getting on base, driving in runs and isn’t being a hole in the lineup.

  27. ArmchairGM 5 years ago

    Well there’s Beltre’s first homer…

  28. jwredsox 5 years ago

    I doubt Agonz would be available now with the Padres doing good (though it is unlikely to hold to midseason) but I do agree the Sox should trade Pap, I think they could get a nice return for him or center a deal for a 1B around him.

  29. Marcos 5 years ago

    hmm, the only problem with this is that I believe that they would likely have to include Bard in a deal for AGonz.
    I’d imagine that they’d have to make a package similar to: Ellsbury, Anderson, Buchholz (sp?), Bard/some other good relief prospect. I know it’s a lot, but the Padres would be in a position to ask for almost anything, remember they wanted SIX prospects from the Mariners during the winter. There could likely be a way that the sox could avoid giving up Bard, but it would cost them…

    The problem is that if they do get AGonz, then they have to fit in VMart at 1B/C/DH, Youk at 1B/3B/DH, AGonz at 1B/DH and Beltre at 3B/DH, Lowell would also likely be in the DH role at some point, that is if they don’t release him, but I feel that they are more likely to release Papi than Lowell.

    Just my $0.02

  30. If they got Gonzalez where would Beltre be then. That’s the only thing that really makes sense, youk has a good glove, maybe not as good as beltre, but I dont see youk becoming the DH.

  31. jwredsox 5 years ago

    btw Beltre just hit his first home run lol

  32. Nicolas_C 5 years ago

    The problem is that the Red Sox screwed themselves by overloading their roster. They’re pretty much handicapped in terms of possible moves.

  33. jwredsox 5 years ago

    well that wasn’t all their fault. Lowell should have been gone via trade (but he was hurt), that would clear up a spot for beltre to platoon at DH should something happen even though I think he still has enough bat where he shouldn’t. Plus he has a very flexible and cheap contract that would be easy to get rid of if he is hitting well. I don’t think the sox tied themselves up.

  34. Nicolas_C 5 years ago

    I think the Red Sox should’ve definitely released Lowell. They need to search the internet for the definition of “sunk cost”. I’m kinda fickle about the possibility of releasing Ortiz, since he started out slow last year too. There’s going to be one odd man out if they make a trade for Adrian Gonzalez. They would have Beltre, Youk, Martinez, and A-Gon to fill up catcher, third, and first. You already have 2 DHs on your roster. They would need to release Ortiz and/or Lowell to be able to make a move I feel.

    Beltre isn’t exactly cheap at $10 million this season, and the Red Sox don’t want to get rid of him anyway I don’t think.

  35. jwredsox 5 years ago

    You mean IhopeIdon’tgethurt Gonzalez who has a .319 OBP right now? Yeah big mistake signing scutaro. And how is Lackey in this already? Who are you to judge too many years in the first year of his contract? and Bay? I’m glad we got rid of him. His homers might have been drifting up but so was his K% while his average was dropping. Bad trend for a home run guy, because when the homeruns stop coming later in his contract you get a 2010 David Ortiz. And I like that it opens 2 spots for young players down the road.

  36. quintjs 5 years ago

    Hansen and Moss were by NO MEANS top prospects. They were complete duds at the trade deadline, and were also-rans in that deal. Easily one of the more mis-informed statements of hate I have read on this site and that is saying plenty.

    you are right that no one has been harder on the Sox than you, but that is because you have no idea what you are talking about.

    Lackey will be fine. The Sox pitching will warm up too, they got off to a bad start last year too, and all Sox starting pitchers have high BABIP – not that I expect you will know what that is.

    Nothing wrong with Cameron and Scutaro, they are good players.

    The problem with the Red Sox is simply two things. Lack of another dangereous hitter, and lack of getting things rolling.
    They pitch well some days, and score no runs, and score plenty when they pitch badly. Once they get a role on, they will win and win plenty.

  37. nhsox 5 years ago

    I’ve gotta agree that you’re misinformed about Hansen and Moss being top prospects, but I do have to agree with you about wins being an important statistic for teams that consider themselves contenders. Seriously, who cares if you have an elite WHIP and you win 14 games on a good team? NDs happen and sometimes you get overmatched by the other starter, but paying over $1 million per win is not prudent spending. Standings are measured in wins and losses while games are measured in terms of runs. The same goes for RBIs. JD Drew is a perennial .900ish ops guy, also a perennial 60 something RBI guy in a good lineup.

    So many users here blindly throw their trust into what “really smart statistics people” say without considering the implications of their assumptions. Few demonstrate a strong understanding of the way such statistics work, regurgitating others’ comments or appealing to arrogance to try to make people feel stupid for using something Keith Law doesn’t believe in. It’s really ridiculous.

  38. quintjs 5 years ago

    I think they know a sunk cost (see lugo, j).

    But if you release Lowell, or Ortiz, you need to find a better player. Where are you going to find a better RH hitter than Lowell?

    If they could get one that needed Lowell to be released, they would do it in a second.

    If the Sox got Gonzalez tomorrow, either Lowell or Ortiz (it would be Ortiz) would be released. Lowell can still swing a good bat, and could fill in the field if really needed.

  39. jonnyleewonder 5 years ago

    Wins are in part a bad statistic to judge a pitcher by because he can go out and throw seven innings of shutout ball, but then his team doesn’t score runs until the bottom of the eighth, resulting in a no-decision. How could that be a knock on the pitcher for not picking up a win? Is he supposed to just inspire offense as well?

  40. Baltimore_Orioles 5 years ago

    What’s up with all this Ianetta talk? The only rumor that I’ve heard is the sox getting Chris Snyder from Arizona in 2 weeks or so when Montero is back. They just signed that cuban catcher who I assume they are planning to be their catcher in 2012 at the latest, possibly next year. I don’t think Ramos is ready, period he isn’t ready. Ianetta is a trash hitter he hits in coors for god sakes and can’t even stay in the majors. I think Snyder would be the best move solid D and a solid bat too.

  41. Steve_in_MA 5 years ago

    Doc, did you even read my initial post? Where did I say that Scutaro was the entire problem? I said I’d cut 7 guys, STARTING with Scutaro, but by no means ending there. Of course he’s not the only problem. But he has already cost us 3 games in the standings with his poor defense. Arguably, he cost us a 4th game with poor running choices. Prior to our taking the deathspiral in Baltimore, he accounted for at least half of our deficit vs. the first-place Rays. That said, Beckett and Dice-K have big-time release point issues. We only have 3-4 guys who can hit good pitching. The gold-glove over at 3B has lost alot of luster. Our DH spot has got to change. And Scutaro has 15% of those 20 errors.

  42. nhsox 5 years ago

    Some games are literally impossible to win. I acknowledged that above. Knocking a pitcher for not winning an impossible game to win is foolish.

    That being said, the goal of pitching is to pick up the win for your team. Playoff caliber teams often have solid bullpens and strong defense. It might be possible to win 30 games out of 35 starts if a pitcher is on a playoff type team. Good pitchers on contending teams should rightly be expected to capitalize on these opportunities, stay healthy (taking care of themselves, I am not saying injuries are always within control), and RACK UP WINS. Winning is the object of baseball, right?

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